For those curious, Tensor-Board graphs for the final trained model showed "block frequency" way higher than "punch frequency". For some reason the AI resorts to blocking more than punching. I will be sharing more data and answering questions regarding the simulation over on Twitter: x.com/cozmouzz
If they are trying to respond to each other's movements also, from the total begining, even before they learned how to stand, then you might be pushing them way too hard.
I would say that you need to keep an energy parameter. The reason we don’t see fighters constantly using these dance movements is because it would drain their energy. Add a limited energy parameter and you see better results.
@@philv2529Yeah and nobody in MMA fights like they are doing Capoeira... Besides, Capoeira is relatively slow, sweeping movements, not hectically spazzing out in random patterns. A human could do this for maybe 20 seconds before being exhausted
Not really cause you would still be able to be punched or kicked in the face and since your hands are just spasming everywhere you wouldn't be able to block it 2 boxers without stamina limit would be like 2 mike tysons, only in fighting and consistently shortening the distance as fast as possible
I think another big factor is they learned to balance. I don't know if they can feel balance the way people can. Their erratic movements are probably to some extent over-corrections.
at the end of the day, thats amazing, its a energized rock that thinks by itself (the computer), and they're evoluting as our species did. if you let them train billions or trillions of fights, they gonna come with insane techniques i guess.
It might look dumb at first glance but they are feinting each other faster than a human could almost instantly leaving no openings so they have to constantly change their angle of attack and cancel it/turn it into a feint midway through, maybe you could get better results if you train 1 AI to be proficient at attacking an evasive target that could also block (likely with motion capture), another one to be defensive by evading and blocking, and then combine both. Or maybe I'm just wrong and it will be the same result.
They aren't feinting each other because they weren't trained to feint, there are multiple situations where a normal hook would get them but they don't throw it cause they don't know it. When you are about to throw a punch but the person dodges you don't need to cancel the entire punch, you just adjust to where the person is or you throw another type of punch
They are not doing shit, they are figuring out how to punch. We know how to punch because we have innate information about the functioning of our bodies. They are not even aware of their bodies. They just move a certain combinations of joint around and if it satisfies some parameters they tend to repeat It. I think you should just leave them training for months and we will see progress.
@@RRKSreward is a drug for them, that's why they got kinda worse, you need to make penalty for existing so they get dads belt every nanosecond so it would be ultra instinct instead of drunk uncles fighting each other
@@nanja7773 well unlike bot comments the message actually makes sense as a reply to the original comment and wasn’t just ‘this is the clip you’ve all been looking for’ or whatever
I wonder what would happen if you were to add a reward of something like “making the least amount of movement, but causing the most impact to the opponent.”
@@rumplstiltztinkerstein One thing is standing up, another is to balance. there's a huge mechanical difference. You can observe it in babies. They first learn to stand and then to walk.
I think the reason it looks jittery is that they have the minimum possible reaction time. Meaning that they would react to the opponent's movement as soon as it happens. And if both avatars act like that, it would explain why the block frequency is higher than the punch frequency.. because both of them are reacting very quickly to any movements the opponent makes. Also if you have this in mind while watching the fight, you'll realise how cool these combat robots are, and that humans probably wouldn't be able to fight them in the ring
It takes the human 160 milliseconds to register an opponents movement. The average punch travels 31.68 feet in that amount of time (starting at 0 mph and ending at 12 mph at impact). Part of fighting is learning to "read" the opponent, typically called "fight IQ," by experienced fighters. That's the part that AI will need in order to conquer mankind.
you have to keep in mind that they have very limited experience and its incredibly difficult for them to learn from experiences with a real human fighter (or hell, even against each other).
At the beginning of the video i was thinking that the best part of these AI videos are seeing the guys just struggle and fall flat. I was proven wrong with those amazing moves. He secretly taught them to rave
A sentient being that you use as a slave, started to train for fighting but to your eyes is just a dance. POV: you're a portuguese patron in 17th century Brazil
8:26 i know what its like to be the gold guy in that scenario. Ive fought silver guy outside a club and just stood there like 'wtf are you doing bro?' While the guy took himself out 😂😂😂
Looking at the ragdoll model, it has a lot of "joints" for its hands but only two for the feet, our feet are basically hands as well, so it might help with learning to balance if you made the feet more complex as well. Also, we are able to use our muscles with unequal emphasis stabilizing 0-100% on one leg alone, maybe there could be a mass X for the upper body which needs to be stabilized but can be shared unequaly between the legs, with shifting percentages. Anyhow, they need way more standing and walking before they can fight. :)
3:52 The name of the catchy electronic track is Ben Elson - 89 (released by Epidemic Electronic). I've recognized this track because Ben Elson's work is used as music for the video game Beltmatic (Notional Games), but normally I use algorithms for this kind of identification.
@@xkankesx UA-cam doesn't like any sort of link (even when I'm smart about it), it just swallows my comment, so try searching for Drill Bite by Typekast
Lol, yeah, two drunk guys outside a bar on Saturday night. I think maybe you need a 'grace' factor. All these videos are absolutely amazing. Great work.
* Video starts off with proper narration * Me: "Ok, this should be a rather cool AI learning video. Doesn't seem particularly funny in the slightest" * Video hits 3:53 * Me: * Dies immediately with laughter * I wasn't ready omfg!!! 🤣
What everyone else said. It is hilarious, and it is because there is no need to be economical with an energy reserve. Some cumulative refractory period on the muscles may help. It should learn to not exhaust them, so be static stable instead of dynamic stable.
For those curious, Tensor-Board graphs for the final trained model showed "block frequency" way higher than "punch frequency". For some reason the AI resorts to blocking more than punching. I will be sharing more data and answering questions regarding the simulation over on Twitter: x.com/cozmouzz
I know how to solve it @cosmouz make the punch rewards a quadratic function in punch velocity, currently yours seems linear
@cozmouz whats the music at 3:54 ??? Can i have the title? Could anyone provide me the title?
If they are trying to respond to each other's movements also, from the total begining, even before they learned how to stand, then you might be pushing them way too hard.
@@bluestone-gamingbg3498 Ben Elson - 89
sir, feed them some basic martial arts data and then challenge them with 5 more simulations. see if they improvise
I would say that you need to keep an energy parameter. The reason we don’t see fighters constantly using these dance movements is because it would drain their energy. Add a limited energy parameter and you see better results.
i see any human doing this dance movement will get tired extremely quickly
any machine will also wear before get into the fight
Yeah, so hopefully they would learn to min max their stamina
But that martial art already does exist it's called capoeira
@@philv2529Yeah and nobody in MMA fights like they are doing Capoeira... Besides, Capoeira is relatively slow, sweeping movements, not hectically spazzing out in random patterns. A human could do this for maybe 20 seconds before being exhausted
yes but they might get tired at the same time
That's what happened when there's no energy cost for every movement. The fighters' movements simply become erratic.
Not really cause you would still be able to be punched or kicked in the face and since your hands are just spasming everywhere you wouldn't be able to block it
2 boxers without stamina limit would be like 2 mike tysons, only in fighting and consistently shortening the distance as fast as possible
they move this way because they dont see the floor, only the movements'sopponent. so they dance with each other only
I think another big factor is they learned to balance. I don't know if they can feel balance the way people can. Their erratic movements are probably to some extent over-corrections.
@@KillaAhmadilla that only expains the overcorrection of the legs, the arms spasms is their failure at learning how to throw a punch
@where_is_sauce You're not wrong. A punch with a bad stance isn't going to be particularly strong though.
Mfs had hundreds of millions of fights just to end up fighting like my drunk uncle
at the end of the day, thats amazing, its a energized rock that thinks by itself (the computer), and they're evoluting as our species did. if you let them train billions or trillions of fights, they gonna come with insane techniques i guess.
Already looks insane ;)
Nah this was funny 😂 made me laugh out loud
@@gat0anonimo hey! Are you my nephew? xD I'm better sober damnit
Have you considered that your drunk uncle is a synth?
Yellow: shallow and consistent strikes. White: either misses or leaves a crater in Yellow's ribcage
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I didn't see a single strike in the whole video
"ShAlLoW aNd CoNsIsTeNt StRiKeS"
also yellow (and white): 🤹♀🤹♀🕴🕴🏋♀🏋♀🤸♂🤸♂🤸♀🤸♀🤾♀🤾♀🤾♂🤾♂🤞🤞👉👉🚴♂🚴♂🏌♂🏌♂🚶♂🚶♂🧎♀🧎♀
@@alexbruns5082 went straight over bros head
Like Derrick Lewis
It might look dumb at first glance but they are feinting each other faster than a human could almost instantly leaving no openings so they have to constantly change their angle of attack and cancel it/turn it into a feint midway through, maybe you could get better results if you train 1 AI to be proficient at attacking an evasive target that could also block (likely with motion capture), another one to be defensive by evading and blocking, and then combine both.
Or maybe I'm just wrong and it will be the same result.
No, I read multiple tips in the comments thatcwill for sure aid the models in the end, including yours.
They just need a reaction time. If they reacted a few hundred milliseconds later to each movement of their opponent, they wouldn't do this.
That first thing you said is definitely not happening.
They aren't feinting each other because they weren't trained to feint, there are multiple situations where a normal hook would get them but they don't throw it cause they don't know it. When you are about to throw a punch but the person dodges you don't need to cancel the entire punch, you just adjust to where the person is or you throw another type of punch
They are not doing shit, they are figuring out how to punch. We know how to punch because we have innate information about the functioning of our bodies. They are not even aware of their bodies. They just move a certain combinations of joint around and if it satisfies some parameters they tend to repeat It. I think you should just leave them training for months and we will see progress.
Fights outside the pub 3am in the morning 🥶
After drinking 1Million gallons of alcahol
@@10aelbeg22 Due to the speed, i'd certainly think there's some coke, meth or whatever "up" drug involved as well. Maybe all of them
@@RRKSreward is a drug for them, that's why they got kinda worse, you need to make penalty for existing so they get dads belt every nanosecond so it would be ultra instinct instead of drunk uncles fighting each other
@@RRKS probably fent
The spastic synthwave dancing is genius
reminds me of ua-cam.com/video/cqPD4A-bKNA/v-deo.html 😄
@@deeOOghI clicked this expecting you to be a bot comment, I was happily surprised, thank you for sharing drunk russian dancers with us
@@roux6715u thought they were a bot and still clicked?
@@nanja7773 well unlike bot comments the message actually makes sense as a reply to the original comment and wasn’t just ‘this is the clip you’ve all been looking for’ or whatever
That's literally the only reason I watched the whole video... then WATCHED IT AGAIN 😂😂😂
I wonder what would happen if you were to add a reward of something like “making the least amount of movement, but causing the most impact to the opponent.”
Stiff jab spam i assume.
@@atroposVwhile also taking the least damage possible. Block n jab
i am no longer afraid of AI killing off the human race
You’re fucked in a dance battle
Killing us with their awesome dance moves
The ai watched rumble the movie
@@Anthonybrother Yeah, we're going get served!
Remember a few months ago when AI couldn't draw a hand?
Then Sora happened.
They are trying to balance using their hands not standing on feet
69 👍
True, so do we... That is why we balance our arms as we walk and run.
Yeah gravity needs to be implemented here so that they're More planted
@@RenzitoARG Are you saying that you are incapable of standing up without using your hands for balance?
@@rumplstiltztinkerstein
One thing is standing up, another is to balance. there's a huge mechanical difference.
You can observe it in babies. They first learn to stand and then to walk.
I think the reason it looks jittery is that they have the minimum possible reaction time. Meaning that they would react to the opponent's movement as soon as it happens. And if both avatars act like that, it would explain why the block frequency is higher than the punch frequency.. because both of them are reacting very quickly to any movements the opponent makes.
Also if you have this in mind while watching the fight, you'll realise how cool these combat robots are, and that humans probably wouldn't be able to fight them in the ring
It takes the human 160 milliseconds to register an opponents movement. The average punch travels 31.68 feet in that amount of time (starting at 0 mph and ending at 12 mph at impact). Part of fighting is learning to "read" the opponent, typically called "fight IQ," by experienced fighters. That's the part that AI will need in order to conquer mankind.
1 mean left hook and they're done
The AI just has ultra instinct, that’s why it can react so fast smh my head
you have to keep in mind that they have very limited experience and its incredibly difficult for them to learn from experiences with a real human fighter (or hell, even against each other).
@@Oren_is_tiredwait for them to complete;y dodge then punch you
1:10 “the most complex object in the whole universe, the human brain.”
-Human brain
Fights with your brother be like:
they are worse than toddlers 😂
More like telling someone with adhd to stand still
More like your little brother trying to fight you
@@antonellisamuele6569plot twist: he is the little brother
@@rotorblade9508nuh uh
This feels like watching 2 stand users fight but I don't have a stand
This is a banger
Fr
Lmfaoooo
"capable of balancing with ease"
*Agent continues to gyrate every limb uncontrollably*
But you gotta admit, that last dance-off was SICK 😂
“Bro fighting demons”
The "damn bees attacking my face" dance
I can no longer un-see it.
It can dance better than me at any rave
Wait until they understand how capoeira works
Rawe*
came for the boxing, stayed for the dancing
At the beginning of the video i was thinking that the best part of these AI videos are seeing the guys just struggle and fall flat. I was proven wrong with those amazing moves. He secretly taught them to rave
Fr fr
You might not like it, but this is what peak combat performance looks like.
I love how at the end of the video it becomes a techno dance battle/moshpit of two/drug addicts having a seizure
5:27 he did a spinning kick that was awesome
10:20 неиросеть настолько точно смоделировала бой двоих пьяных в стельку бомжей около моего подъезда .
10:10 this is literally how school fights are 💀💀
A sentient being that you use as a slave, started to train for fighting but to your eyes is just a dance.
POV: you're a portuguese patron in 17th century Brazil
We all been watching 15 min to see a snail brain to learn fighting 😂
pretty sure snails have WAY more neurons XD
What happens when you want to be a boxer but you're epileptic :
...and you end up at a rave😂😂
"A ragdoll without a brain is merely a corpse; so lets give it a brain" Absolute BAR
That's fascinating. Almost like seeing a child learning to walk, but action filled
Sound track was perfect for the silliness 😂
It was amazing!!
0:44 "..but to ragdoll without a brain is merely a corpse" - my new favourite quote
11:22 Like watching someone cast a jutsu with Tourettes and Parkinson's disease
8:26 i know what its like to be the gold guy in that scenario. Ive fought silver guy outside a club and just stood there like 'wtf are you doing bro?' While the guy took himself out 😂😂😂
Looking at the ragdoll model, it has a lot of "joints" for its hands but only two for the feet, our feet are basically hands as well, so it might help with learning to balance if you made the feet more complex as well.
Also, we are able to use our muscles with unequal emphasis stabilizing 0-100% on one leg alone, maybe there could be a mass X for the upper body which needs to be stabilized but can be shared unequaly between the legs, with shifting percentages.
Anyhow, they need way more standing and walking before they can fight. :)
Born to drunken fist,forced to box
Also 8:50 I'm pretty sure he's about to unleash a forbidden justu
End result looks like a Florida parking lot fight.
Cool music makes those random twitchings soo much epicier
Peak comedy the beggining of the video with a very polite and serious way of talking... with a robot MISSING EVERYTHING ON A STILL ROBOT T-POSING.
8:07 literally beating himself up
Dancing WHILE Boxing? Sounds like a mix of Boxing and Capoiera
Sounds like it but the end result is more spazoeira
You'd think so, wouldn't you, but actually its 2 puppets having seizures
1:07 I don't know if it's intentional or not, but you've created an optical illusion that that brain could be spinning both ways XD
Holy fuck your right
It goes to the left
When it faces you
If you look closely, the different color lines on top of each other hint at the actual direction its spinning in.
@@archo_tech
But if you don't look too closely you can convince your brain that it is spinning back and forth.
These videos are so goofy bro the ai keeps fucking up in the most hilarious ways 😭😭🙏
I mean... it might have been a good fight... if it weren't for those damn bees!
I like how you accidentally trained a dance-off AI instead the first time.
They look like they are dancing to the background music 😭
wait.. I totally did not realise that you were such a small channel....the video quality is awesome!
I thought like he has 200k
3:55 what a non stand user sees when 2 stand users fight:
4:00 I love how they look like they are dancing, can't stop laughing 😂😂
Me neither 😂😂😂
Same 😂😂😂😂
Great work! You put great effort in making the ai work as well as the editing of the video, keep it up!
The musical choices that accompany the "boxing" are perfect.
I've been to enough D&B shows to recognise some of the moves on display.
this looks so funny its like newborns are learning to fight and walk at the same time
This editing is peak. I subscribed ❤
3:52 The name of the catchy electronic track is Ben Elson - 89 (released by Epidemic Electronic).
I've recognized this track because Ben Elson's work is used as music for the video game Beltmatic (Notional Games), but normally I use algorithms for this kind of identification.
Thanks, the uploader didn't properly credit the music so I couldn't find it. Any idea what the second one is at 10:40 ?
@@xkankesx UA-cam doesn't like any sort of link (even when I'm smart about it), it just swallows my comment, so try searching for Drill Bite by Typekast
@@xkankesx Drill Bite by Typekast (this is my fourth attempt at replying, yt keeps silently deleting my messages)
@@milanstevic8424 Got that one, thanks! Song reminded me of some of the stuff I used to listen to from newgrounds artists.
Great work 47, your next mission is to stand up.
At around 11:44 there was a frame where yellow’s fist was 1 cm away from white’s head, but it still counted to white 💀, also bro hit a new dance
7:20
When you and your buddy take the same amount at a festival but only one of you really feels it.
11:00 Mfs in high school😂
True
Man.
The intro made me think it was a Freakbait gag
I was going to say the same thing
8:00 he looks like he's jamming on a made up invisible instrument
I doubt AI could beat anyone in a fight, but it'd definitely steal the show at a rave.
Underrated. Commenting to boost algorithm
C3p0 dance battle boxing wasnt what I was expecting to go to bed to
Excellent video and thank you for uploading in 4k60fps!
Lol, yeah, two drunk guys outside a bar on Saturday night. I think maybe you need a 'grace' factor. All these videos are absolutely amazing. Great work.
I hope this video gets the likes and views it deserves!
Me and the crew gonna DESTORY the club with this one! 11:48
The fucking shadows! Lmao
Good Observation lol. That ring has multiple point light sources so shadows are low key messed up.
"Mom, can we go see boxing?" "We have boxing at home." The boxing at home: 10:19
New video hype Always keep up the good work
Gold AI: These guys want us to kill each other
Silver AI: You know what we should do instead?
Gold AI: Yeap. *Dance off bro! Me and you!*
Its like two masters got drunk yet still can dodge while starting to punch
4:40 they were legit dancing! 🤣
Mf looks like he tryna rap battle with yellow at the end of the balance training
5:24 looks like when wrestlers get sprayed with that red mist lol
Huh?
The art of fighting without fighting
* Video starts off with proper narration * Me: "Ok, this should be a rather cool AI learning video. Doesn't seem particularly funny in the slightest" * Video hits 3:53 * Me: * Dies immediately with laughter *
I wasn't ready omfg!!! 🤣
What everyone else said. It is hilarious, and it is because there is no need to be economical with an energy reserve. Some cumulative refractory period on the muscles may help. It should learn to not exhaust them, so be static stable instead of dynamic stable.
Close enough, welcome back Sumotori Dreams.
3:15 wouldnt you want to use the dot product between the punch velocity and surface normal so head-on punches are more valuable?
This is what PVP would look like in QWOP if neither player knew the controls lmao
They're becoming sentient!
You need to add conservation of energy to it. Small penalties for movement based on distance
Really cool. They actually start developing some form of strategy and technique by the end. Also still prettier striking than UFC legend Ben Askren.
So thats a joke right?
It's like drunk capoeira without the kicks and twirls, and sped up...
"dancing while boxing" bro thats just capoeira but for hands
Absolutely loved the graphic transition between neural network and brain it is graphically awesome!
The drunks fighting at the bar thinking they are in the Matrix 11:00
Give them data of Emanuel Agustus and they'll be dance boxing like champs 😂
8:36 bro was getting aggressive
I'd love to see a VR fighting game where it places you against a neural fighter. Sick documentary!
4:00 why are they dancing lol 😂😂😂😂😂
It would have been funny to put a song there.
I love how halfway through they started to try to trip eachother instead of actually punching
7:34 what was he trying to do here
Looks like Rhonda Rousy shadow boxing.
1:49 I’m sorry but u said observations complete wrong “ob-o-way-shins” is what u said 😭😭😂
I caught it the first time, but I'm just now realizing it.
Dude,I just couldn't... lmao! The setup was so serious and planned out then to witness that mess..omg had me dyin! 😂☠️
How I imagine Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fight be like💀
Been waiting for someone to do this