The Best Diffusion Filter for Your Lens? (Schneider Classic Soft)
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2020
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Looking at this kit of 4x4 Classic Soft Filters from Schneider on the Zeiss lenses. Then comparing them against Hollywood Black Magic, Black Pro Mist, Digital Diffusion, Soft Net, and Fog Filters!
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Would you recommend these over the Black Pro-mist and/or the Schneider Hollywood Black Magic Filter?
Ranger 7 Studios If you’d like to see a direct comparison there’s these videos as well: ua-cam.com/video/nkQn8FjUEv4/v-deo.html
@@JustinPhillip I just found it. Thanks! :)
That fog filter was kind of interesting.
Awesome video as always!
The Schneider Radiant Soft seems to be incridible... A really unique filter and no one has made a real video about them yet.
I’m already excited to watch your video about them. 🤩
Thank you so much for this. I had not heard of the classic soft!
Back when you could buy them in hardware stores, I used to get round pieces of glass that were sold as replacement lenses for flashlights then make them into special effect filters. One way is to use clear fingernail polish to put dots or patterns on the glass. Once dry, they create special effects in your photos. Small dots act like lenses so create out of focus areas. If you make swirls, then out of focus highlights take on the swirl pattern. Interesting for night work.
Now I get cheap UV filters from China to work with. Or I have a local glass shop cut 4x4" pieces of glass for me to use in my matte box.
Thanks for helpful demo. I liked Digital Diffusion 1/2 the most. The skin looks nice and not too soft overall.
Very informative. Other than buying and returning endlessly, it's impossible to get a sense of what these filters can do without tests like these. Thanks so much!
I’ve been working on a really big filter comparison video, so stay tuned! 👊🏼
BRILLIANT !!
Classic soft for me
It was really helpful seeing your spit screen comparisons. You should consider uploading to Vimeo as well - MUCH better compression.
Yeah, i cant remember if i put this one on vimeo or not
Hey Justin, I'm an Indie director rigging my bmpcc 4k and stuck between manual or wireless follow focus systems. Which do you feel is more essential for narrative shoots?
Manual if pulling focus yourself
Great test Justin. For Classic Soft, what a good overall strength if you can only have one? 1/8th or 1/4th maybe? Thanks!
depends on your lens. For me on the RED Komodo with Zeiss Mivlus now, i go with 1/2 classic soft
Nice comparison! Have you tried Tiffen’s Digital diffusion? It’s been my go too for close ups. I wish I use the classic soft on my most recent project. They were a few dream sequences and spiritual moments that would have worked well with the filter. Oh well, it’s a learning process
Digital Diffusion is great, but it is the most subtle diffusion filter. Zero halation, which is nice. I like to use D.D. for product shots when shooting on Zeiss Milvus
Have you ever used the really cheap diffusion filters like Vivitar soft II? Fotodiox S Diffuser? Hoya Black mist? or any other? if you have are they any good?
Thanks! always good content!
Jacobo Castro Cristo Hoya’s okay. the others i wouldnt really bother with. Filters are more glass in front of your lens, so for me, i want the best of the best. Plus companies like Schneider, Firecrest & Tiffen, filters is all they do. So just more reliable
Thank you so much for your time for this video.. May I ask which version of Classic soft did you use..? because I heard there are 2 versions. HD Classic soft and Classic soft.. I would be grateful if you could let me know...
This is the old school one, Classic
Thank you so much!!@@JustinPhillip
which one you suggest to work on sigma 18-35 in order to match the color with Zeiss Contax?
Eric Coen the quarter probably
Interesting, thank you for posting.. gives me lots of real ideas of what they are capable of. For myself I have not used fog diffusion filters for 30 years. I’m thinking of picking up a Lensbaby Velvet lens or two at $500 each.. very pronounced effects.. probably less useful than these filters.. meaning, they are so over the top it would be good for art work and very limited special effect clients... Have you run across filters that are as dramatic as Lensbaby Velvet series lenses?
No have never heard of those, i’ll check em out
Maybe someone can help me out with this...This video was exported out of Resolve, with their UA-cam UHD Preset, and after it uploaded to UA-cam, UA-cam only processed it as HD.....and then, all the BRAW footage, just looks like mush....it did not look like that in the original exported file...is there something weird between UA-cam's processing of BRAW or what??
I have read in many places to never use Resolve's presets. Even exporting H.264 out of Resolve results in heavy compression. The best method is to always export the highest quality possible (uncompressed or DNxHR, or ProRes in Mac) and then, since it will be a massive file, you can compress it with Handbrake, which is a free software which has many sliders to help you dial the specific ratio between quality and the weight of the file. I use this method to export to H.264 for Vimeo/UA-cam.
ahhh good to know! thank you!
What do you think of new Blackglimmer glass ?
Not familiar with that
How does the Classic Soft bokeh compare to the HBM bokeh which can have those dots from the tiny hole patterns.
this video: ua-cam.com/video/nkQn8FjUEv4/v-deo.html
keep in mind, HBM is a classic soft at its core
have you tried the radiant softs at all? I like the look of the classics, definitely tends to give the shots a more vintage look, almost like a painting, but I seem some people saying the radiant softs can get really dense without over blooming.
Thoughts?
yes ive heard that as well. I actually have had the radiants on my watch list for some time lol
@@JustinPhillip nice! Ya I’m gonna get a set in a couple months. Just ordered a zip box pro. BH had the swing away for 375!
@@Artfulscience1 nice! yea i saw that
So what filter would you recommend for getting a creamery highlight rolloff
I am using a c100 mkii so with 8 bit footage I can’t push the image too much in post
So trying to get a more Arri rolloff look to the image
I have a newer video where I compare MOST popular diffusion filters: ua-cam.com/video/NbgktVwL73w/v-deo.html
If you could have only 1 which would it be: Classic Soft 1/4 or Hollywood 1/4 ? Thanks
that’s a hard one. I like the way HBM handles the highlights more than Classic Soft, however the HBM does add a tinge of green to the shot
@@JustinPhillip i like classic soft more. more authentic colors overall imho.
Just a tip usually you use the heavier diffusion on the wides and the lighter on the tighter lenses so they end up matching. Thanks for the comparison though. I prefer the Classic Soft. Also like your music choices. A question: Do you know if there's much difference between the Contax Zeiss 21mm f2.8 and the later ZE 21mm f2.8?
Yeah i flubbed that in the talking head. From what i’ve found there is zero difference in optics with ZF vs. ZE Zeiss lenses. The main difference is the ZE’s have an internal (mechanical) iris. Where the ZF’s have a physical aperture ring that can be de-clicked
Justin Phillip thanks. Have you heard anything compared to the Contax 21mm though?
It's really confusing. some people say you need stronger mist filter for wider lenses for the same efect, and other people say you need stronger mist filter for longer lenses.!?
As I understand, wider lenses tend to be sharper, because they have less shallow depth of field. And if you don't want to effect your bokeh much (bokeh creates softer look naturally) it woud be more logical to use 1/8 for longer lens, and 1/4 or 1/2 for wider lenses.
That is just my thoughts about it.
What do you think?
Yes that is true. I misspoke in this video. Stronger diffusions for longer lenses.
@@JustinPhillip Is it a good idea to use 1/8 for 85mm, 1/4 for 35mm and 1/2 for 15-21mm, if my goal is consistent filmic look?
@@TadasMelody Yeah, sounds good. But you’d wanna test it out, it also depends on what filter you’re using. a Classic Soft is a much heavier diffusion than something like a Pro Mist or Digital Diffusion
@@JustinPhillip i am thinking of putting on the lens first a diffusion filter and then on the top VND but i have heard various opinions that it should be put on the lens a nd filter first. what is your opinion?
I'm just worried about whether there will be a problem with infrared.
Is simmond vnd with IR-cut?
@@TadasMelody i dont know if it is, but i’ve done videos testing it, and its very clean, especially compared to others with IR cut
You should actually lower the filter intensity on longer focal lengths, not the other way around. The longer the focal length the more intense the effect of the filter.
to each their own. Nowadays i just use the same strength across all focal lengths. There's no real way to do it, its just all up to taste and the demands of the particular show. For instance, David M. Mullen uses stronger densities on longer lenses because he says those are the lenses that actually need filtration. Whereas the wider lenses, filtration is hard to tell no matter what the strength. But that's just his take on it.