Does AMD's Best Desktop APU Still Have a Place in 2023?
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- The Ryzen 7 5700G is still the best desktop APU at the time of this video, and while it potentially made the GPU shortage a little more bearable for some gamers', it's difficult to recommend now that things are getting better.
0:00 Introduction
1:52 Test Setup and Cyberpunk 2077
2:44 Kingdom Come Deliverance
3:18 Elden Ring
3:59 The Witcher 3 Next-Gen
4:33 Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
5:18 Resident Evil 4
5:58 Forza Horizon 5
6:23 Hogwarts Legacy
6:53 The Lat of Us Part I
7:30 GTA V
7:54 Red Dead Redemption 2
8:37 Fortnite
9:09 Final Thoughts
Thanks for watching :) - Наука та технологія
recently built a pc with a 4600G, and honestly these Ryzen APUs surprise me a lot. coming from an older intel iGPU where i would have to run anything at 800x600, seeing my games running at 720p with decent graphics is honestly a nice change. im quite happy with it
Bro I understand your pain.
Perspective is Important, while I'm envying the guy upgrading to a 4090 from his 3080, some Gamers in the poorest countries are still running P4's and 8200GS GPU's. And I'm grateful I can buy a 1650 which cost the median monthly income in my country.
@@BertieJasokie Meanwhile I don't even have a PC and parents can only afford a low budget pentium APU PC
@@silents4everTry upgrading it on the cheap and enjoy your foray into the PC world. We are an economically diverse group of people. Maximize and enjoy what you got.
@@BertieJasokieAs I mentioned, I don't have a PC at all, just a laptop with a Celeron n3350 and 4GB LPDDR3 ram.
I'm always amazed at how well 5600G and 5700G can run new games despite only having Vega graphics. One of these with RDNA3 graphics would be insane. I know they exist in the laptop space (with the 7040 Phoenix APU series) but, I want a desktop one so bad. If they ever release a 7600G, after AM5 motherboard and DDR5 prices have dropped a bit, this would be the ultimate budget gaming machine.
Yeah but this time they should provide an option with more powerful graphics with 16 or 24 CUs of RDNA2/3 and more cache so that we can finally get rid of expensive "budget" options.
the full 11 compute units helps over the smaller apus . its about as good as a 1050 . very solid for built in solution compared to old intel as stated. the choice in ram is more important as well. generally as fast as possible for the chip with lowest CAS . will get the best access times with 4 sticks vs 2 . minor improvement to fps and much better 1% lows. i was testing on 3200 g albeit.
weren't all 7000 series have RDNA2 iGPU?
Right and the board company would not sell it with cheap price. X86 SBC already out. It seems to be a premium industrial product and no point in pricewise
I'm sure it'll just be a matter of time before some Chinese company starts selling desktop MoBo's with them soldered on.
There are plenty of 11th Gen Laptop i7 CPU powered Intel boards out there now, with fairly recent Intel UHD graphics, and they sell well.
I like that you're including the KCD benchmarks! The game is really a masterpiece, but it can be really demanding at times
Homeboy sat the 5700G facing pins down on concrete. Legit sent a shiver down my spine. 😂
Noticed that too. Yee-haa bent pins 😂
Those pins are more durable than we think
I built a couple of office computers using the 5600g for a client and it works wonderfully. They were out of the 4600g, but the 5600g was only $20 more.
really looking forward to seeing what the desktop RDNA3 APUs with DDR5 will be able to do!
I was just thinking of this apu!. Thank you for doing this review!
Can't wait to see what the Zen 4 APU's bring to the table with RDNA 3 graphics.
Thanks for the video! I have one of these in my HP Omen system, it is a bit of an odd pairing with the 3070ti it came with but it was very cheap! I've been really impressed with it, no issues with the games I play. If I ever upgrade I'm planning on keeping the 5700g to use in a micro pc build for some retro gaming 😁
Really enjoy the testing all throughout the hardware stack, from old gpus, to apus and even new power houses. Ofc it's not that in depth like a HUB or GamersNexus, but equally enjoyable. The only thing I really would like to mention is while some of these new titles are not very well optimized for sure, newer games just NEED more hardware, because they clearly want to portray better visuals. Heard several developers say in podcasts and interviews that there is just so much optimization you can do to fit new visuals and high fidelity scenes into "smaller" VRAM and Ram buffers.
The problem is in alot of cases the game doesn't look any better.
The last of us looks like BF4 whilst using 4 - 5 times the vram buffer.
@@Jasontvnd9 kind of true. With the last of us being an example of a bad port I totally agree with u. But if you look at Hogwarts legacy, the game is averagely ported and looks amazing imo. But with it’s console first approach it can quickly eat up a lot of memory. Cyberpunk also is quite intensive, but at least gives us unseen raytracing effects etc. so I guess most of the time you do get nice visuals, but pcs just have too much latency issues communicating between ram, gpu, cpu and ssd. The entire data shuffling on console is done extremely well and since they only got 1 or 2 hardware configurations everything can be fine tuned. Pc gaming is basically just brutforcing everything with 3x the performance for a 1.5x better result. Maybe I’m going of track a little, the thing I basically wanted to say, not EVERY new game is badly optimized (some are), BUT almost every new game will be more and more hardware intensive 😂
@philipreininger2549 I wouldn't even say hogwarts looks that great , Compare it to a game like Horizon : Zero Dawn and it looks worse.
Cyberpunk is different , It looks better on a mid range pc using say a 3060ti than it does on console , Largely due to the consoles weak RT performance.
The problem is optimization , They will rush out a console port on pc because they know most of the player base can brute force it , Not ideal but unfortunately probably going forward will become much more common.
Could you find a popular indie game to test these low-power igpus? valhiem or factorio perhaps? Where an igpu like this really shines in my opinion, is in emulation of Wii era or earlier titles. I think that would give a more broad overview of the performance.
I remember when we all got excited over 8FPS on Formula One Grand Prix on the Amiga😅 20fps was the thing of dreams back in those days😊
Hey m8 , i had both, Amiga 500 with trapdoor ram expansion, and Atari 1040 STe and STfm.
Those were simpler times when gameplay still ruled and you needed skill. Savegames were a rarity back then.
Until i had a 60 meg hdd i remember the disk swapping.
Todays "gamers " would not even have the patience 🤣😂.
But the sound of a 720kb double sided 3,5 floppy was always music to my ears.
Just built a 5700g system for my school pc, with some light gaming while taking study breaks. It will also double as my HTPC system when I am not taking courses. Love it, thank you so much for all the hard work you put into these fantastic videos. I'm an older gamer/builder, and I love seeing how older hardware holds up, or flops in current gen titles.
It oddly does seem to benefit from ReBar and 4G, though obviously 300 and A Series boards are best avoided for that, even if ASRock did put it onto the A320M board that just wasn't that stable with it on.
I bought one of these for a CPU with an IGPU and very low power consumption
I generally have two or three monitors active at all times, so not needing to use my GPU for rendering UA-cam and other secondary stuff really helps.
Together with my rx 6400, my total system draw rarely exceeds 60w
this was an informative vidoe, when it comes to budget builders and their worries when it comes to how much can an APU round up in today's titles.
680m kind of changed the igpu landscape massively. It's tough to justify a 5700G only build when you can buy a 6800u miniPC for a similar price or get an used RX 580 which will be a massive improvement. And because of the lower amount of l3 cache and very high price relative to other options it's a questionable CPU for dGPU builds.
For high end dGPU builds, yeah.
6800u miniPC have you got a link to what you suggest
I was thinking about getting one of these to replace my Ryzen 7 2700 a while back, but never got around it. But now the "3D" Ryzens are here and I'm more tempted to go with those now. Are you gonna look at those 3D Ryzens at any point?
I built my first PC last April 16 with a 4600g and a 5600xt. Was planning on only the APU first then add GPU later but the 5600xt was on sale at $120 a week after I got my CPU. The GPU is from 51Risc, I heard of the brand from the Toasty Bros. I'm enjoying it very much. Since I never experienced gaming with high graphics games before coz we couldn't afford a good PC or console.
When we chose the parts for my fathers new PC, we decided on the then new 2200G and that thing was already mindblowing for me! I was only used to a 6 year older intel iGPU in an laptop i3 and the difference was night and day. Now with the RDNA3 APUs on the horizon, AMD really bridged the gap between gaming only and office only PCs
LOVE this chip for so many builds still.
Can't wait for its successor.
Great vid so far man! I got no clue why I still watch videos such as this whole rocking a 3060ti though…
Great card :)
I have a 3060 Ti too, and have stopped watching most tech channels. RGinHD is different though, I enjoy the low spec content
hello brother nice vid 👍👍🍻🍻
Built my wife a computer with this chip and I tried a few of my games on it. Was pleasantly surprised at how well it played my (still) main game of Fallout 76. Also have a server running a 5600g and it is fantastic for recording videos via Playon and serving out Plex (hardware transcoding).
Not having pcix gen 4 was a detail I did not know about. You saved me from going down this route.
Currently running 2 systems with 5700Gs on them, one being my main workstation paired with a RX 6700XT, I bought it due to it being the cheapest Zen 3 8-core chip available here (200$ less than 5700X) since I require more multithreaded performance rather than single. And the other system being my home server, which, what can I say, absolutely rocks. No complaints at all, amazing chip.
How is gaming?
@@brucieplays3720 buttery smooth
What is the power consumption like? You said it was low but what are you seeing at the wall? 50w? How does this compare to something like a ryzen 7 7735u in some of the new mini PCs?
Hey do you have any videos the rysen 5 3600.i think it would be a great cpu to test currently
Did you tried to set 4Gb of VRAM for iGPU? It helped me with stutters.
Hi! I can't decide on an APU sale at a local store here in my area. The sale are a Ryzen 5 4650G PRO for $40 (USD) & Ryzen 5 5600G for $80. Are these 2 APU's far off from each other? Thanks in advance!
I have a Ryzen 7 5700U in my laptop, and it does well in the use case you describe for gaming on the 5700G without a discrete GPU.
I'm glad to see kingdom come: deliverance used again, it's one of my favorites to play and can be very resource intensive with the right settings
It’s an incredible game
I have the same CPU, wich cooler are u using with it?
The CPU power on the left, does that technically include what the iGPU uses as well?
Yes! More KCD benchmarks! What an amazing game.
APU's are always interesting, i really hope that AMD is releasing a new one soon! 🙂
Same here :)
I’m currently using this chip on my build and was wondering what would be a good upgrade but staying on AM4? anyone has any advice?
I awaited for it since April 2021. It was avaulae at retail 5th of August. I bought it 6th of August. This CPU is insanely brilliant.
What is your Pc specifications, ram ssd psu and motherboard
Why would you set AA to high instead of increasing detail in Elden Ring? Anyway great channel 👍
Recently upgraded from R5 2600 to this. Figure I timed it right as was a good price - £162 (less than I paid for the 2600 a few years back).
5700G made sense for potential future uses of the motherboard and I'm happy enough not on the bleeding edge.
Im looking to upgrade from R5 2600 (starting to show its age) to go with my RX 6600
The thing I'm waiting for is the AM5 APUs to be released. AMD has some interesting mobile processors with Zen3+/RDNA2 and Zen4/RDNA3 that would really make for interesting builds.
I am really happy that you included Hogwards Legacy as I am playing it now and it laggs as hell on my system. I have a Ryzen 5 1600x and a GTX 1650, granted in a KVM, that could be a problem but I would like to see it on a wider array of hardware here.
Unfortunately your CPU is a bit old and is going to be a bit of a bottleneck even on bare metal in any super modern games, and the 1650 only has 4 GB of VRAM. The game is very intensive on texture use and VRAM. My first recommendation would be to upgrade your CPU if you can. Most AM4 motherboards have kept getting BIOS updates and should be able to support Ryzen 5000 series if you update the BIOS, which would get you out of the bottleneck zone. Maybe get a Ryzen 5 5500 if you can get it for cheap. For the GPU, you'll really want something with 8 GB or more to play a game like that and prevent stutter. If you can get a used RX 580 or a GTX 1660 Ti (or Super) you will have a much better experience.
@@ItsJustEmK Cpu is fine even virtualized, the graphics are the problem in the end
I really like the inclusion of kingdom come deliverance again, very super benchmark imo since it doesn't have dlss and can measure non upscaled rasterization performance
I'm glad that Ultra Performance on FSR 2 doesn't look like you smeared vaseline on your monitor anymore lol
I used my 5700g for many months in a SFF build, it performed brilliantly, with some light gaming, but mainly as the driver in an Audio/Video workstation, During which it handled very large Audio samples and Video files with ease and did not skip a beat.
However now it is in a Mini ITX build to which i've added an RTX 2060, and a Samsung 1440p gaming monitor and it performs equally well, but ultimately i intend to pair the 5700g with an AMD 6700xt or similar AMD 6000 series as i've seen that you can utilise both the Radeon in built graphics, and the GPU's graphics to work in tandem, so in effect dual graphics similar to the old "crossfire" system.
I dont know if you have considered testing that?, but it might be an idea for a video as it seems it isn't that difficult to do.
So no need to disable igpu ? Igain more performance with both ?
How can you use both igpu and discrete in tandem? I have a 5700g and lately upgraded my mini itx with a 6600xt, i’m very interested in using the combo to it’s max potential
@@druidobianco9734 If you search AMD Dual graphics setup in you tube it will give you a few instructional videos, there are several things you need to do in order to get it to work from what i've seen, one is enabling resizable bar and above 4g decoding in the bios, and basically both the Radeon and your discrete GPU will show up in device manager if done correctly.
In one of the examples i saw, the guy was using the APU graphics to stream and his GPU to game, and apparently you can also use an Nvidia GPU in tandem also, but not sure how that works as the examples i've seen just show AMD.
@@nouraelamri-kw7se Yes Noura apparently so.
man the 5600g i have thts stuff in a itx inwin case impresses me so much with how many games can run decently on. i remember back in like 2007 having a dell home pc and barely any games tht could run on that thing and i was just grateful i could run anything at all like runescape lol.
Would be great to see where the PCIE3 x8 bandwidth affects the dGPU at losses of 5% or more. Thanks a lot for the great content!
PCIE bandwidth will start to affect as soon as run out of VRAM. But then you'll have bigger problems to worry about.
Ordered a 4600g for a new build and received a 5700g, great upgrade from my fx 6300, might pair it with my old radeon hd 7950
I bought my HP OMEN 25L Prebuilt PC and it had a 5700G along with an RX6600XT but it's weird as the motherboard on that prebuilt OMEN did not support any Display out
I'm running that exact R7 5700G in my rig, paired with a RTX 3070 TI. It's a great chip👍👍
Do you think there's still life left in socket AM4 processors?
Watching these videos about low-end/old hardware is somehow more enjoyable than watching videos about the absolute best hardware.
I have been using my Rtx 3080, I7 10700kf and 32gb ram pc for about 2 years now. Its my first ever pc btw. So I dont even have a low-end pc.
I’d love to see an RDNA3 based 8-core cpu/iGPU w/ 16 CUs 😵😱🤩🤤🫠 for a very compact SFF build for lighter gaming duties / HTPC setup ⚡💪
I paired one of these with an AMD RX 6600XT. Perfect pairing IMHO!
How on earth can the CPU and GPU temps differ by 14 C when both are on the same die? (@ 2:40 70 C an 56 C at the same time?)
This is a great CPU for pfsense if you have a 10Gbps internet connection like I do. The iGPU means no need for a discrete GPU so you can go Mini-ITX and use the PCIe x16 3.0 slot for a Dual 10Gbps NIC.
I used the ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WiFi II motherboard (mATX) and got its 2.5Gbps Realtek NIC to work with PFsense for my Wifi 6E AP. I have two separate Dual 10GBps NICS in the PCIe slots on the TUF board. So that's 4x 10Gbps ports and 1x 2.5Gbps. The Ryzen 7 5700G's 16 threads and 8 cores handle routing at 10Gbps quite nicely especially with all of the security apps I have running on my box. It also handles the AES-NI VPN acceleration for my OpenVPN server running in pfsense.
All in all, a really great CPU for that task. It's power usage is also quite low when you're not using the GPU. Around 60-75W at full CPU load. Believe it or not, that's actually quite good for a Firewall of that calibre.
A good APU. I still use it in my main rig. (portable and at home I plug in my RTX3060).
I am waiting for the 7700G to get rid of the RTX card.
Nice :) The 7700G would be so cool right now
Doubt the 7700g would be better than a 3060. 3050 perf would be a nice surprise though.
@@zaidlacksalastname4905 I don´t think so, too but I don´t need the power of an 3060. I guess it will perform like the 780M. It sould beat an GTX1650.
I think you should consider buying some HP V10's for example from Amazon to pair with IGPU's as they are limited by RAM speed aswell. The HP V10's are Samsung Bdie with decent out of the box timings for Ryzen (3600 CL14).
I would like to see a comparision between the Ryzen 5 5500 vs the Ryzen 5 3500x both paired with the RX 6500XT (Hyperthreading vs PCIE 4.0)
Man you have to overclock that IGU, i have mine running at 2400Mhz with some DDR4 4000 CL16 and man this thing is really good
I think with a 32 gig 4000mhz CL16 ram ram kit n the igpu over locked,this 5700G could really really keep u clutch,also supper exited for the 680m
could u compare this to the steamdeck?
Using a 7th gen here since 2019, and still going strong
Thanks
The 3xxxG, 4xxxG, and 5xxxG's where great starts for a build. I've got 2 systems built during the coof times. One eventually got a GPU when available and games well. The other got the 5700G as an upgrade and serves home theater duty.
na the 3xxxg was ok but not great i hope they release the 7600g and 7700g whit the rx 660m and 680m apu
I'm really curious to know how desktop Ryzen RDNA3 G-series APUs will perform.
Phoenix is rumoured to be in the ballpark of an RX 470/GTX 1650. These are the new laptop Zen 4 APUs with RDNA 3
AMD absolutely could make a desktop APU that has serious grunt behind it (the SoCs in the PS5 and XSX are AMD Ryzen APUs albeit with much faster GDDR6 as VRAM/system memory) but will never do it because it would cannibalise sales of their higher margin GPUs.
@@riven4121 Maybe they could make APUs that replace lower end GPUs such as the RX 6500 XT which did not sell well.
Steve, is Forza Horizon 5 very well optimised?
Can you test it with a dedicated gpu
can u make a video on 4350g+rx6600
Can't wait for the future apu where they will be on par with midrange gpus.
Hd 680 integrated graphics are close.
@@oldfartgaming148 close to what, 1050ti?
Is hd 630 better than gt 710 2gb gddr5 please reply
I wanted to buy this APUm in case I had to replace my GPU when my new kit came. But I got a Ryzen 3 4100 and paired it with my GPU and the result is way better.
I just built a pc with one of these and 32gb ram and a 2070ti. shes a happy pc
My current rig has a 5600G on a X570 and is paired with a 5700 Pulse.
As weird as this may sound, said X570 is the AsRock Gaming-ITX which actually has Thunderbolt 3 and thus comes in handy to me as a VR player who likes to keep his Quest charged.
I probably could still replace the 5600G with a 5800X3D but the APU/GPU combo works fine for me on 1080p.
Plus I hate e-waste, so I wouldn't put it anywhere.
I have the 5700G in my main rig because it was about $150 cheaper than the X when I bought it. But at this point, I'll probably replace it with a better CPU and use the 5700G for a small form factor build that I can hook up to the TV in the master bedroom for media playing + light gaming.
I just got one of these a few days ago. I already had one of the latest beelink APU builds but wanted the OG 5700g in a micro case and I found an asrock X300 with 64g of ddr4 and and m.2 for under 400 in the original box.
I play older games mostly, but also elden ring and I am looking forward to starfield. The only thing that really doesnt want to play is Star Citizen. Its a great little APU but the new minisforum or beelink pre builts are a better bang for your buck. Unless you get a used deal I guess.
Nice, if I have to use an APU, LAPTOP or otherwise, 900p is a great resolution for performance on these integrated graphics
can you do the 2200g in 2023 with the single slot 6400 card
Why do you recommend the 5600x over the 5600?
Fsr really is a game changer for older gpus/ amd/intel gpus
I am just praying that one day they will have an APU sort of like MI300 instinct, be available for us gamers to save space on our CASE and just invest those cool Liquid cooler on the motherboard...
My laptop has a 5700h and my desktop has a 5700x, both with RTX 3000 series cards... Coming from older i7 based systems, I cannot believe the power both CPUs pack.
I have a 5600G 32gb ram Asus ROG STRIX 550F motherboard running Linux as my new gaming rig and it works really well but I did have a problem with the computer totally freezing up in one game a while ago
I looked in the logg files to see what the last thing it did was before it hanged
there was a error message that said out of graphics memory
it turned out that my 5600 G only used 1 Gb of graphics memory so I googled how to fix it and dedicate more memory in the bios
it is now using 8 gb of ram for the graphics and the difference is enormous
and it is now running really stable
i have the r7 5700g and a rx 6700xt, using dual monitors is actually a very nice.... streaming, youtube or discord on the igpu and games on the dgpu
There is another use for these. Emulation machine. You can emulate PS3 and XBox 360 in these things. Plus Wii U and Switch. Just OC the CPU as far as it goes and underclock the GPU to give you more headroom on the CPU and you are good to go.
I'm planning on buying a pc with this Apu thanks at least I'm going to see what performance it can deliver
Have fun :)
This would probably be an emulation beast.
Edit: It is. There's a good ETA prime video on it. Can basically run anything, including switch, cemu, and PS3
There are some AM4 motherboards that have 3 display outs, so this and the 5600G make for fantastic options when the build demands 3 monitors, low power, and an even lower profile.
Yeah good point
Just yesterday i upgraded my friends pc's graphics from the 5700g integrated to a used rx 5700xt. He is more than happy with the upgrade😊
Please test i7-3770 :)
You really shoul have made some oc on the apu, it can make huge difference
I kinda miss some benchmarks with like a RTX 3070 to see what the CPU performance is like with the higher end cards.
RTX 3070 should now be considered a mid tier card if that due to it's 8GB VRAM limit.
Absolutely yes. Good for making a tiny PC, and with the current insane prices of GFX cards they might be the best value possible.
Yeah perfect use for one :)
It will be nice to get the Zen4 APUs.
Since normal zen4 cpu now have graphics core it may never happen.
@@fabrb26
The Zen 4 graphics are just for display out and not for gaming, AMD would be stupid if they didn't release G model APUs
@@fabrb26 2 CU's ain't doin nothin! Maybe half life or ps2 emulation.
@@fabrb26 It probably will. The graphics cores in the current Zen 4 chips are for troubleshooting and office PCs to run without external graphics, not for gaming.
AMD will probably port over Phoenix to desktop in the future. Based on the Techpowerup approximate relative performance chart, the 780M in Phoenix should be around a 1650 or RX 470 in performance.
Love the Ryzen APU's great for budget gaming buiilds also great if you have your video card die and can't afford to buy one right away yet still need something to give you a display with.
Ryzen 5 2400g is still worth it?
RDNA3 is so close now 😍 eeeee can't wait
Still pretty useful for other things. For example if you have a Freesync monitor with only an HDMI port and you have an Nvidia GPU, you can plug the monitor into the motherboard to allow the APU to control the Freesync function while the Nvidia card handles the rendering.
I don't think it will work that way
Is 680m faster than this one?
Vega is the last AMD GPU to support fluid motion, so it's a good upgrade for PCIe 3.0 boards with a dedicated GPU. Maybe some programs will use HSA someday, I dunno.