What i read in Moebius interviews is that the project was to create some illustrations around the concept of another project which was Internal transfer, an animated movie in which Moebius was involved, but that never saw green light. Anyway the interesting thing is the process they used. What i read is that Geoff drew the pencils, and Moebius didn't expect that level of detail, but he took up the challenge, so basically for every illustration he put a piece of a particular paper which is not normal vellum, but it's semi transparent- white paper, and inked using this over Darrow's pencils. I also think as you noticed, that Moebius redrew some faces and some other detail, fixed some very small things. BTW Moebius inking style with nib pen, was so awesome that he was able to improve even over Geoff's yet amazing art so that if one doesn't know, believes it's quite all Moeb work. Then, I think that Moebius didn't colour the originals, but he coloured using the method with prints they call "blue" made in grey or blue on good paper, so that the artist is able to paint over it, and there's a sheet of tranparent paper with the black line printed over. And if you make a mistake you can somewhat start again, so, it's a bit less paiful. The works tho, are very complex so it's amazing and i think completing one illustration took several days. BTW if you reach to talk with Geoff about this work it would be totally amazing. This, for me is an incredible work, that marries two incredible artists like Darrow and Moebius, and id' like to know more about it! :) Thanks for the cool video.
Read in interview somewhere Darrow penciled everything. Moebius saw it and loved it, and went in and inked and colored it but also redrew some of it to make it more of a Moebius universe. That's why it's so hard to tell what's by who.
Darrow drawing and then Moebius inking would make sense. Would allow for Darrow' s crazy details as the foundation ... and then Moebius being able to improvise faces and ink lines on top.
Absoultely incredible. Would have loved to see Darrow in this ep giving his commentary. I see this portfolio often in shops here in Paris, and have often wondered what was inside. They're pretty expensive as you can imagine.
It’s good to finally have a look at this portfolio. I remember the ad and sample pics. The plate at 12:04 is the one I remember most with the bird creature perched over the cauldron of cooking street food
This is my favorite piece in my collection. Glad you guys shared it! PLEASE get some Darrow commentary, I’ve had so many questions about this project for so long!
Incredible! I’ll keep it to two questions - 1. Is there a loose story being told? I see reoccurring characters and themes(taking the birds for a ride), but the plate that is the painted city landscape from high above really throws me. Always loved that piece but it is so different than the others. 2. In the French Adena edition, plate 7(greenish colored one with the orange orb center) has four smaller portraits of characters underneath the main drawing, but they were left out for the Dark Horse printing. Why was that? - thanks for the opportunity fellas! I love the channel keep doing the lord’s work!
Completely blown away. What IS this?! What an amazing piece. Man, I need to see these in microscopic detail. The coloring, too, holy cow! I can't even imagine watercoloring this (I'm assuming that's what he's doing). So inspiring. That downshot of the city almost looking like cracks in lava, I straight up GASPED at that one. 🤣 Really want you guys to do this again with Geoff. And if there's anyway to zoom in, I'd watch that video 1000x.
Thinking about this one always makes me a little salty. I owned it years ago, when you could, if lucky, find one for around $100. I didn't know what to do with it without getting a bunch of frames, had no room for them, and so sold the portfolio for $150. Now? Forget about it. It might as well be an original. I remember Darrow mentioning that it might be re-printed by Dark Horse, so we can only hope.
I have the English version of Aedena production of this portfolio from 1985 which was signed and numbered out of 800. Both Moebius and Darrow signed the front sheet. The prints are different. Mine might be incomplete as I got it from a collector almost 20 years ago. I am missing the print from 7:11 and 15:00. Also the print with 2 different color versions is only the daylight one in this portfolio. The wide one from 8:15 is different in that it has the same main image but underneath there are 4 different color illustrations that yours does not have. I have been told there are some different versions in terms of color. Some of the coloring was done by Moebius and some by Arno. The portfolio I have has a cover sheet where they artists signed and numbered and the background is an uncolored close up on the one you have at 13:00.
These kinda colors are what made me really love colored comics. As a kid, I kinda liked black and white stuff more 'cause most color reproduction in comics was fucking awful. The I discovered the Euro magazines with Corben and Moebius and it was really crazy how the color would bring you into a whole universe with its distinct atmosphere in just a single panel. As Jim said, it's a shame how all these years later, color still seems more of an afterthought in so many comics, even with how easy it would be to just experiment and go wild with digital these days.
I know more about Moebius and how he was used to work under pressure. I know less about Darrow. At 6:18, this collaboration is great! The two different treatments of colour is really interesting. At 12:28 it would have been nice to have the Waldo character in the scene, as a joke! 😉 P.S. : I’ve seen some of the prints sold separately on the web, yea there’re expensive for sure.
You boys want to talk kayfabe effect, I watched this a few days after it was published and Ed mentioned they're "almost a thousand dollars" as of 9/17 City of fire seems to be starting around $4k
Jesus Christ, are you fucking serious??? Well I guess if you can afford to just give that away, you can probably afford to buy the actual piece lol, good job guys!
Please ask Uncle Geof if he's up for doing a breakdown. BTW, I've been trying to find a nice clean copy of this for a few years now. Fuck all chance now with the Kayfabe effect kicking in! 😆
Crazy timing, I have the opportunity to buy this portfolio from someone I've been buying comics from for the last year. Unfortunately the portfolio was not taken care of as well as it should have. Some of the prints have bends on the corners.
Hot take that Moebius did the color work for this, slapped in some of his hatching on Darrow's pieces here and there, and likely both of them drew together on elements for each composition. Just my speculation though, so could be radically different, but for sure I think it's Moebius coloring this.
What i read in Moebius interviews is that the project was to create some illustrations around the concept of another project which was Internal transfer, an animated movie in which Moebius was involved, but that never saw green light.
Anyway the interesting thing is the process they used.
What i read is that Geoff drew the pencils, and Moebius didn't expect that level of detail, but he
took up the challenge, so basically for every illustration he put a piece of a particular paper which is not normal vellum, but it's semi transparent- white paper, and inked using this over Darrow's pencils.
I also think as you noticed, that Moebius redrew some faces and some other detail, fixed some very small things. BTW Moebius inking style with nib pen, was so awesome that he was able to improve even over Geoff's yet amazing art so that if one doesn't know, believes it's quite all Moeb work.
Then, I think that Moebius didn't colour the originals, but he coloured using the method with prints they call "blue" made in grey or blue on good paper, so that the artist is able to paint over it, and there's a sheet of tranparent paper with the black line printed over. And if you make a mistake you can somewhat start again, so, it's a bit less paiful.
The works tho, are very complex so it's amazing and i think completing one illustration took several days.
BTW if you reach to talk with Geoff about this work it would be totally amazing.
This, for me is an incredible work, that marries two incredible artists like Darrow and Moebius, and id' like to know more about it! :)
Thanks for the cool video.
Two of the greatest artists to ever put pencil to paper. Please do a follow up video with Geof. We have to hear his thoughts on these prints.
absolutely!!!
this needs to be pinned Geof is the rare direct link to Moebius, not to mention that he's one of the best to ever draw imo
Read in interview somewhere Darrow penciled everything. Moebius saw it and loved it, and went in and inked and colored it but also redrew some of it to make it more of a Moebius universe. That's why it's so hard to tell what's by who.
Wow! Incredible!!... Have you seen the older anime ova Dragon's Heaven? Its really good, HEAVY Moebius influence. Some nice art books from it too.
Wow every page is such a delight
Darrow drawing and then Moebius inking would make sense. Would allow for Darrow' s crazy details as the foundation ... and then Moebius being able to improvise faces and ink lines on top.
Bingo
that's what I've read, also. Darrow pencils, Moebius inks and colors
The best 2 days of vids ever! Geof is my goat
Absoultely incredible. Would have loved to see Darrow in this ep giving his commentary. I see this portfolio often in shops here in Paris, and have often wondered what was inside. They're pretty expensive as you can imagine.
Indeed... Got hands on one very recently for a grand, saw a few listed twice as expensive.
I heard of this portfolio but never seen it before... Or just with incredible prices on it ... Thanks you for showing that incredible pieces !!!
Amazing collaboration pieces! Even better than when Moebius was assisting Charles Schulz on Peanuts!
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It’s good to finally have a look at this portfolio. I remember the ad and sample pics. The plate at 12:04 is the one I remember most with the bird creature perched over the cauldron of cooking street food
Moebius was a real god of comics. Geof Darrow was also amazing. I never tire of their work.
Stunning!
This is my favorite piece in my collection. Glad you guys shared it! PLEASE get some Darrow commentary, I’ve had so many questions about this project for so long!
Add some of your questions to this thread and we’ll take notes
Incredible! I’ll keep it to two questions - 1. Is there a loose story being told? I see reoccurring characters and themes(taking the birds for a ride), but the plate that is the painted city landscape from high above really throws me. Always loved that piece but it is so different than the others. 2. In the French Adena edition, plate 7(greenish colored one with the orange orb center) has four smaller portraits of characters underneath the main drawing, but they were left out for the Dark Horse printing. Why was that? - thanks for the opportunity fellas! I love the channel keep doing the lord’s work!
WOW 14:39 thank you guys for sharing
Insane🤯 the dynamic duo flexing on Batman day!
This is amazing! Two of my fave artists and I never knew this existed. Thanks for sharing. So inspiring 👏
This is mind blowing
Please have Geof walk through these images. There’s gotta be amazing stories and thoughts.
Completely blown away. What IS this?! What an amazing piece. Man, I need to see these in microscopic detail. The coloring, too, holy cow! I can't even imagine watercoloring this (I'm assuming that's what he's doing). So inspiring. That downshot of the city almost looking like cracks in lava, I straight up GASPED at that one. 🤣 Really want you guys to do this again with Geoff. And if there's anyway to zoom in, I'd watch that video 1000x.
Just down load the pics, there you can zoom in till your hears content.
Beautiful moment in nerd heaven! Thanks guys
Best channel ever!👏🏻❤👍🏻
Thinking about this one always makes me a little salty. I owned it years ago, when you could, if lucky, find one for around $100. I didn't know what to do with it without getting a bunch of frames, had no room for them, and so sold the portfolio for $150. Now? Forget about it. It might as well be an original. I remember Darrow mentioning that it might be re-printed by Dark Horse, so we can only hope.
I have the English version of Aedena production of this portfolio from 1985 which was signed and numbered out of 800. Both Moebius and Darrow signed the front sheet. The prints are different. Mine might be incomplete as I got it from a collector almost 20 years ago. I am missing the print from 7:11 and 15:00. Also the print with 2 different color versions is only the daylight one in this portfolio. The wide one from 8:15 is different in that it has the same main image but underneath there are 4 different color illustrations that yours does not have. I have been told there are some different versions in terms of color. Some of the coloring was done by Moebius and some by Arno. The portfolio I have has a cover sheet where they artists signed and numbered and the background is an uncolored close up on the one you have at 13:00.
These kinda colors are what made me really love colored comics. As a kid, I kinda liked black and white stuff more 'cause most color reproduction in comics was fucking awful. The I discovered the Euro magazines with Corben and Moebius and it was really crazy how the color would bring you into a whole universe with its distinct atmosphere in just a single panel. As Jim said, it's a shame how all these years later, color still seems more of an afterthought in so many comics, even with how easy it would be to just experiment and go wild with digital these days.
A portfolio of legend. I have only see thumbnails before now. Thanks, guys.
I‘ve read in an Interview with Moebius that Darrow did the pencils and Moebius the Ink with Tracing Paper.
Yes, please talk to Geoff about this!!!
Sadly, I never found a copy. Come on, Dark Horse!
It's funny, I paused yesterday's video at the beginning, and commented that "No one draws like this guy", then I remembered Mobius.
I've seen someone selling the print of one of these with 34x27 inches.Anyone knows how big the original size of these artworks? So curious.
Please please please do a follow up with Geof on City of Fire I'd love to hear him break down this portfolio
great show. thank you.
We got to get the boys to 100k subs.
I know more about Moebius and how he was used to work under pressure. I know less about Darrow. At 6:18, this collaboration is great! The two different treatments of colour is really interesting. At 12:28 it would have been nice to have the Waldo character in the scene, as a joke! 😉
P.S. : I’ve seen some of the prints sold separately on the web, yea there’re expensive for sure.
You boys want to talk kayfabe effect, I watched this a few days after it was published and Ed mentioned they're "almost a thousand dollars" as of 9/17 City of fire seems to be starting around $4k
Imagine if these two would have done a graphic novel together holy shit ☠️
Jesus Christ, are you fucking serious??? Well I guess if you can afford to just give that away, you can probably afford to buy the actual piece lol, good job guys!
Please ask Uncle Geof if he's up for doing a breakdown. BTW, I've been trying to find a nice clean copy of this for a few years now. Fuck all chance now with the Kayfabe effect kicking in! 😆
this is fire emoji x infinity
Taiyo Matsumoto?
Crazy timing, I have the opportunity to buy this portfolio from someone I've been buying comics from for the last year. Unfortunately the portfolio was not taken care of as well as it should have. Some of the prints have bends on the corners.
Good thing the corners are white and not the artwork
Did you end up buying it? And if not - any chance your friend is still looking to sell? 👀
Hot take that Moebius did the color work for this, slapped in some of his hatching on Darrow's pieces here and there, and likely both of them drew together on elements for each composition. Just my speculation though, so could be radically different, but for sure I think it's Moebius coloring this.
I need a bottom half shower after this
SAY what now?!?!?!?
Happy Batman Day!