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Just wanted to thank you for what you're doing. As a clinician, I strongly appreciate professional efforts such as yours to provide accurate no bs assessments of such products for those of us having to make decisions as to whether to utilize a particular technology of not.
I was hoping to see a comment like this, because I wondered the same thing. It's not a proper control group if you are changing what they're practicing altogether, you should only change the component being tested, in this case the headband. The data as presented is effectively useless.
bingo! the study design is fundamentally flawed - its result is predictable and shows nothing about the muse headband’s efficacy. I think Cody doesn’t want to state this obvious fact because he is trying to sell products/services that build on the Muse product - why bite the hand that feeds him?
I think you guys missed the point. It's not about just strapping it on your head that leads to improvements, but analyzing the readings and taking adjustments based on it. Taking that into account, having a control group with the devices turned off is absurd.
11:16 It's good that that is the #1 complaint on the list, as that was my #1 complaint as well. Because the device's software resets its baseline for every session, it fails to create a sense of progress. The official line is that whatever your current baseline is, the Muse is helping you get _even calmer_ -- but that feels more like just a cop-out for them to not develop a way of effectively showing progress. There is a difference between slowly climbing a mountain versus just feeling like Sisyphus for the sake of feeling like Sisyphus -- even if there is a pat on the head and some vague encouragement that mostly sounds like an excuse for them to not figure out how to do the thing that feels natural. Their latest sleep-band model is a great evolution of the hardware UX, but the software UX hasn't been doing it for me.
There is no value added. it collects data and displays it in a way that they feel you can benefit through YOUR OWN ACTIVITY. IT collects and displays data, nothing else actively. it is a passive device. it affects no changes.
I get that however as an experienced meditator that does meditations I learned from an Indian yogi if your meditation is working you will notice real changes in your life. It takes time but you won’t need an app to tell you your brain is better, if your meditation practice is proper you will notice change.
In in the study referenced to document the efficacy of muse as a mediation tool, the control was users meditating with the muse headband versus persons doing math exercises. I don't really find this a reliable study because the control should have been users meditating without the muse headband, otherwise this could just be re-proving the already heavily documented effects of meditation. This is effectively people meditating versus people not meditating.
What do you suggest people do who purchased the Muse, spent the $300-$500 paid for the subscription only to find the Muse Defective, with the poor temple sensors failing within a year, then being unable to contact the company at all - defective product and extremely poor customer service implies the company knows they have a poor product...
Do you know of any device that simply measures brainwaves without having to use guided meditation or noises? I think my goal is to just check out what state I get into while meditating and doing other activities…
Dr Rall, I have a question. Since the goal of sitting meditation is to be able to meditate all day while doing your usual activities, I am wondering what would happen if you wore the Muse headband all day? Would it be beneficial to use it that way to monitor yourself throughout the day so you can pin point what causes you stress and work on it?
NO, why would you think that? it is a passive data collector. it is the act of collecting the EEG data and seeing progress or regression and making changes to your meditation that creates change and improvement. This does nothing to improve your experience passively. it does not promote cross hemisphere activity like Holosync with Autofonics Affirmations by Centerpointe Research or Paraliminal meditation recordings by Learning Strategies. I tried using the muse headband to track my progress with Holosync and Paraliminal meditation, however, Muse hardware is unreliable and several headbands destroyed themselves because they are cheap junk that Muse sells to suckers like you and me.
@@73JosieWales At the time I think I didn't really understand what the headbands do exactly. Yeah, I decided it's a gimmick and an app on my phone that chimes every now and then to remind me to be mindful would be the same and much cheaper.
Just started doing non-linear neurofeedback at a practitioner locally. I was weary about these cheaper home models, this sounds nice. I wonder if there is a non-linear version without an activity to focus on. My practitioner likes the non-linear version as the brain can tell itself what to do, without telling you that you are distracted.
@@ihdandia"The main difference between non-linear and linear neurofeedback, is that in non-linear feedback the trainee's brain, not the trainer, is the expert deciding what to do about the brain's maladaptive patterns. The system mirrors the brain's natural functioning."
I think full-blown lucid dream technology is what should have the big dough thrown at it. I'm an old guy and have only had a few such dreams, but I can honestly say there's nothing that I'm aware of that is so naturally WONDERFUL! I'm not talking about the type that is simply being aware of one's self while dreaming, as those are nothing. I'm talking about the type where one finds themselves as a sphere of energy in an astounding world where one floats down an ocean shore while feeling the comfortable ambient air while enjoying the whole experience as being as real as real can be ... with ocean waves crashing over large borders as one such dream happened with me years. When you have THAT type of experience you leap out of bed with joy and a spring in the step, as you know there's waaay more to reality than the garbage *this* world keeps shoveling down our throats nearly nonstop. August 21, 2023
Are you talking about Astral travel? Rosalie does yoga nidra meditations to try to help induce them if you'd like to try to experience them more. If you've done it before you can likely do it again
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Hi, Cody will muse 2 still have the access to sleep feature of the muse software. I don't want to buy muse s because of the wear and tear but afraid if muse 2 can access the sleep feature
I just got a muse. Day one I tried some conscious breathing and was scoring around 65 percent relaxed. Today I did the Shambhavi meditation from Sadhguru and scored 86 percent relaxed. I also had mire theta and delta wave amplitude than I did with just the breathing. My alpha waves are constantly my highest amplitude. I have been a daily meditator for about 6 years. I also did all of these with the sound off.
This video is worth gold and rubies! However I have few observations: 1. Guided meditation is like an Auto pilot where you become a consumer to the person who guides your mind to a calm state. It can even happen with music. 2. When you are meditating free from these devices, the state of calmness achieved is much more sustainable. You can feel it. Though your muse scores in a self-regulated meditation will be low but you will feel much more satisfied and the calmness is natural and not forced upon the brain.
No, it is your regular meditation, if you choose. The guided meditations that they sell to you, before your equipment fails, isn't anything earth shattering. Pretty typical.
Thanks a lot for thisw video!! Not sure if you still read comments under this video: I would love to get a Muse, but I see discussions online (reddit) that Muse rewards alpha waves in regions in the frontal lobe where enhanced alpha are associated with e.g. dementia. Not sure whether this is backed up by studies, do you know anything about that? Thank you very much!
Spiritualist who has gotten into tech. Considering ways to assist my own practice and teach others while narrowing the learning curve/time required to reach key states and insights. Thank you for this analytically sound & spiritually attuned approach you have, rare combo 👍
Really informative video, thanks. A question though: is the device usable by more people? (If i buy it for myself, could my kids and husband use it as well, or is set up only once for one person?) thanks.
I can't seem to find out but I would rather see my brainwaves on a screen and use that to work with rather than those sounds. Do you know of any devices that do that? thanks
He is showing independent studies and points out when it's not,he is basically doing the legwork for you,why you don't understand this is beyond me , perhaps you are a hater?if so I feel sorry for you 😢and hope you can break free of such negative thinking 🤔 all the best (genuinely)
Sir, are there any feedback devices to help in curing cerebral palsy or Help in recovering from brain injury. please let me know if there is any device such as pemf out in the market which can help with brain injury. TIA. 🙏
I bought the deal 2 Neorhythm devices, and one I use more for gamma brainwave meditation and the other for relaxation, deep meditation and sleep support. I have 2 Muse that I got as a gift and they are not easy to use and don't provide gamma or beta meditation for focus and energy.
I have ADD and I can’t focus in class for even 3 mins straight. I always get distracted from inner thoughts and memories and story scenarios. This is driving me crazy cuz I’m studying for a very difficult competitive exam and this liability is dragging me down. Only if I had a device that could detect when I’m daydreaming and mentally absent and could guide me, maybe a beep or a vibration or notification, and create real time analysis of how I zone out and other brain activity analysis, I’d pay big bucks for it and so would everyone with ADD/ADHD!!
I watched this video hoping for some facts on how accurate the headset actually measures . I would like to see some actual independent quality control studies comparing the results of a muse headset vs a medical grade EEG. The only thing I could find on a web search is that its close but if you move around even and flex muscles, even something like swallowing or an involuntary yawn etc. it throws off the muse readings. This whole thing seems like a bit of overpriced tech used to sell a guided meditation subscription. Yes it will help calm you but so will any other meditation regime practiced regularly .
New to neurofeedback here. What if I like the sound of rain and wind more than birds? Birds are lovely but I seriously love the sound of wind and rain.
So What? Does Muse explain how to use that feedback? No! They just take it for granted and assume it will result in change improvement. If I took two groups of people and let one use muse with your canned meditations, and the other follow a qualified meditation guru; I'll bet you $10,000.00 the results of the qualified meditation guru lead meditaters will be more profound and quantifiable. @@CodyRallMD
Are there any headbands or devices that are more 'active' for meditation? Like stimulating parts of the brain to assist in getting into a meditative state. I remember some crude tDCS devices back in the day.
It is great if all these headband devices work for you, but can you suggest ideas why these devices won't work for certain people. Coming from someone that spent thousands on neurofeedback training and wearable devices over the years and had no gains
Hi. I want a device like this that will show me simply the hz and how long I was in beta, theta, delta etc. Maybe a chart on a phone app or laptop. Does muze have this? If so can I run just that alone without 'training' programs. I'm mostly looking for just recording that type of data.
The two points that the rain noise becoming louder and silent again can be frustrating and disturbing + the feedback do not correlate with your state of mind is a major issue for me with muse. I use it from time to time to have feedback on the level muse can give you. It's interesting that the headband knows when you are wondering and lost in thoughts but that's all. You have to do the meditation practice on your own it doesn't get easier with a headband.
Been following you for a couple of years now and love your work. Would love to see a follow up video on this though. Like I'm glad the hardware works well, but that's your opinion on the software? I have not used my muse for some time after reading from their staff that the app, which I felt was extremely well designed, was actually giving me feedback on what I'd call the change in my level of calm compared to that session's set point rather than any specific brain wave pattern. The community suggested a different app (muse monitor), but the length of sessions required for the data to normalize was tough given my schedule. Also, for a lay person it's tough to understand the generalizability between mental fatigue literature and meditation quality. Can you help bridge the gap?
Thanks! I wish Muse was more open about what was "under the hood". I think on other devices and software programs we are going to have more information. Meditation is proposed as helping people focus more in general, which is often measured through cognitive fatigue exercises.
He didn't answer but i found our myself. The the muse is way better for brain connection. The only issue is Bluetooth connectivity to your phone can be choppy
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It's inconsistent, I'm an avid meditator, I know when I am doing a good session, sometimes with the device I can get 15-30 minutes of birds, then other times to spite my internal calmness, none, I know it's to do with the beginning calibration, this is a fault with the device. Would I recommend it, no, I think the idea is good and I know, because of this channel and other sources, there are other systems on the market and more coming, maybe it would be better to hold out for one of them. To spite my opinion I do get a kick out of the aim of 30 mins of birds, and that objective is an extra motivator, I just wish I could be consistent with the calibration stage......Anyway, I'm off to listen to some birds and visit the Universe. (Good channel)
@@majkelpl8611 It's not a quality device, mine actually loses bluetooth connectivity, this hasn't happened to me since my long ago Nokia dumb phone, this is telling I think, they use cheap components and materials and maximise sales not on the quality of the device, but on marketing, which they are very affective at, as they fooled me and many others, I no longer use mine. If you can. send it back for a refund, otherwise, it will just frustrate you. It's a pity I think there is a market for a similar, but better product.
My experience is Muse just gives me random data. I will hear the birds while I’m walking around getting setup to meditate so I don’t trust they can actually detect a meditative state
I know that University of Victoria Neuroscientist! I saw him give a talk here in Victoria British Columbia before the pandemic. He's why I am doing this research now watching this video. Yeah the device is legit. HOWEVER, you need to ask WHY you are meditating in the first place to then ask whether this device helps with meditation. Are you meditating just to get good at a particular meditation? Most people would say No. Most people meditate so that they can achieve an objective. Sleep better. Concentrate better. Achieve more balance and equanimity. Better mental health. If you use the Muse, does that help you achieve these objectives or does it just help in the way an Exo-Suite would help you lift weights when you are trying to get fit? If it's just like achieving a personal best on a marathon with steroids you are only cheating yourself. Many of the benefits from meditation are from the effort itself -- reducing the effort can defeat the whole point. So you need to get into the weeds to answer that question.
The device is completely passive. Muse just senses electrical activity and displays the data that Muse thinks you want to see with metrics Muse thinks you want to see. everything else is up to you. I never listened to their silly canned guided meditations. it's to bad the hardware is unreliable.
Please complement in your video that the sensors in the headband are of low quality and last only a few months. I bought the MUSE because of your video, and today I regret it very much.
NO! This is not a medical device thats first. The second issue is that muse informs you only when you drop to alpha which for add person that has impaired brainwaves that is predominantly in theta and even delta waves and just some sporadic alpha hence your calibration would almost NEVER be accurate. This is not for add people and muse is not making water into gold so don't claim meditation or specifically muse device would cure everything.
@@israela6811 are you speaking from experience? How much of a difference did it make, and how did that translate into benefits in real life? Was this aside from benefits from regular meditation?
I've just bought a Muse 2 and am having trouble with the app. It won't move past the bit where I'm supposed to fit the headband - it says that it's fitted correctly. When I move on to any other meditation or tutorial it just plays the information on how to fit the headband again. Any ideas on how to fix this? 😊
In my case, feedback makes things worse. If I hear the loud "rain", it causes me stress which then makes me focus on the fact that I'm not meditating deeply, which then pulls me out of the meditation completely. I haven't decided if I like the Muse 2 headband yet since it seems to be really difficult to get a good, stable connection. But I know for sure that I hate the Muse meditation and feedback software.
What is the Brain Circuit Training you speak of? I don't see it on your website (I may be waaay out of the loop). I just ordered my muse 2 through Myndlift. and don't quite know what I'm doing. Thanks.
Yes, we understand that company sponsored research happens all the time. We also understand politicians take money from lobbyist all the time... Those studies are not considered to be accurate. At most, they are considered to make something worth an actual study.
what i don't understand is why they don't have their own calibration for more theta or more alpha waves and you hav to pay another service like Myndlift
its ONLY a tracker. IT WILL DO NOTHING TO IMPROVE YOU. Its up to you what to do after it tells your state. If you do nothing on your own then nothing will change. Muse will NOT change it for you.
I would STRONGLY disagree. it's impossible to hear the biofeedback sound and not to respond, and the response is subconscious, not conscious, so it is effortless, not effortful, so it is impossible to keep the muse from having its result. so as far as I am concerned, as a clinician myself, I think it is an excellent resource and the clinical evidence from people using it in the clinical setting supports my anecdotal findings using it with clients that it is excellent, it works, and people tend to get better faster who are using it. watch other interviews by cody rall an you'll get an education from a lot of respected persons on the value of this technology.. and it's worth saying that organizations like NASA and important healthcare organizations would not be using it and doing research with it if its results were not real.
@@utubengh1 still the person involved needs to be engage. monks have done it BUT they were require to meditate for hours on end. Can a average user do that? You are a clinician and you see results because your patient wants to change. But how of about those you DO NOT SEE vs the ones you do see. Essentially, what you see is already funneled. It is some what cherry picked already. Your patients wants a change for one reason or another. My point being it is NOT muse that make the change BUT the person within. You can achieved similar results without MUSE or any tracking device. Now if you want to see a Pro-Active device that can make change BUT still requires user engagement then I would prefer to spend my $300 to Omnipemf instead of Muse.
@@CodyRallMD The questions really is how bad do you want to make a change because it will take a lot of effort. Muse will quantify what you are doing BUT if you don't act upon it then MUSE is useless for that individual. MUSE is like Oura Ring or Blood Pressure Monitor. If you don't act on the information well those wearables or what not are entire useless.
I have proven to myself that this device works. While going through manic episode my readings were wild with high amplitude and frequency changes. When I’m normal mental state and relaxed and mindful my readings on Muse or like a straight line.
So the only study validating the headband is comparing doing math problems to meditating with the headband?... obviously you need to compare people doing normal meditation with people doing meditation with the headband. I hope I've missed something because this is a mindblowingly stupid oversight.
Let's get this straight. You have never gotten paid to promote or use their products or make videos about Muse or any other like product. What if you used traditional seated meditation using expert guidance. Would you be any better off after 7 years comparing both methods?
Oh for sure. It's a tool that will give you insights that regular meditation cannot. Simply by giving you feedback..... It's all complimentary. There's no question there...
You seem very smart and informed so I only offer this criticism as a kindness… If you pronounce the word “especially” as “ex-specially” it can be perceived as a discrediting factor by certain people.
Absolutely garbage study comparing tech assisted meditation to Khan academy. And then to extrapolate to say TAM is beneficial for stress, anxiety etc. What about meditation? That's a proper comparison.
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Just wanted to thank you for what you're doing. As a clinician, I strongly appreciate professional efforts such as yours to provide accurate no bs assessments of such products for those of us having to make decisions as to whether to utilize a particular technology of not.
Thank you very much Charlie. I'm doing my best, this field is the Wild West of medicine ;D
@@CodyRallMD I'm an upcoming psychiatry resident, and love the integration of mind and medicine, really looking forward to all your videos 😉👏
@@mane6377 Thanks Mane!
a good method of the MUSE is the meditation with the hearth rate sensor and the drums to influence the HRV and getting calmer.
why not do studies double-blind of people meditating with it turned on vs people meditating with the headband turned off?
I was hoping to see a comment like this, because I wondered the same thing. It's not a proper control group if you are changing what they're practicing altogether, you should only change the component being tested, in this case the headband. The data as presented is effectively useless.
bingo! the study design is fundamentally flawed - its result is predictable and shows nothing about the muse headband’s efficacy. I think Cody doesn’t want to state this obvious fact because he is trying to sell products/services that build on the Muse product - why bite the hand that feeds him?
Because you would not be able to control for placebo effect.
I think you guys missed the point. It's not about just strapping it on your head that leads to improvements, but analyzing the readings and taking adjustments based on it. Taking that into account, having a control group with the devices turned off is absurd.
@@systemai You should only buy it if you need it
11:16 It's good that that is the #1 complaint on the list, as that was my #1 complaint as well. Because the device's software resets its baseline for every session, it fails to create a sense of progress. The official line is that whatever your current baseline is, the Muse is helping you get _even calmer_ -- but that feels more like just a cop-out for them to not develop a way of effectively showing progress. There is a difference between slowly climbing a mountain versus just feeling like Sisyphus for the sake of feeling like Sisyphus -- even if there is a pat on the head and some vague encouragement that mostly sounds like an excuse for them to not figure out how to do the thing that feels natural. Their latest sleep-band model is a great evolution of the hardware UX, but the software UX hasn't been doing it for me.
Great feedback, yes I wish there was more sign of progress based on the data they collect.
That said, do you feel any benefits from using Muse and if so what? Thank you!
Love the Metaphor.
There is no value added. it collects data and displays it in a way that they feel you can benefit through YOUR OWN ACTIVITY. IT collects and displays data, nothing else actively. it is a passive device. it affects no changes.
I get that however as an experienced meditator that does meditations I learned from an Indian yogi if your meditation is working you will notice real changes in your life. It takes time but you won’t need an app to tell you your brain is better, if your meditation practice is proper you will notice change.
In in the study referenced to document the efficacy of muse as a mediation tool, the control was users meditating with the muse headband versus persons doing math exercises. I don't really find this a reliable study because the control should have been users meditating without the muse headband, otherwise this could just be re-proving the already heavily documented effects of meditation. This is effectively people meditating versus people not meditating.
What do you suggest people do who purchased the Muse, spent the $300-$500 paid for the subscription only to find the Muse Defective, with the poor temple sensors failing within a year, then being unable to contact the company at all - defective product and extremely poor customer service implies the company knows they have a poor product...
Do you know of any device that simply measures brainwaves without having to use guided meditation or noises? I think my goal is to just check out what state I get into while meditating and doing other activities…
Dr Rall, I have a question. Since the goal of sitting meditation is to be able to meditate all day while doing your usual activities, I am wondering what would happen if you wore the Muse headband all day? Would it be beneficial to use it that way to monitor yourself throughout the day so you can pin point what causes you stress and work on it?
Good question
NO, why would you think that? it is a passive data collector. it is the act of collecting the EEG data and seeing progress or regression and making changes to your meditation that creates change and improvement. This does nothing to improve your experience passively. it does not promote cross hemisphere activity like Holosync with Autofonics Affirmations by Centerpointe Research or Paraliminal meditation recordings by Learning Strategies.
I tried using the muse headband to track my progress with Holosync and Paraliminal meditation, however, Muse hardware is unreliable and several headbands destroyed themselves because they are cheap junk that Muse sells to suckers like you and me.
@@73JosieWales At the time I think I didn't really understand what the headbands do exactly. Yeah, I decided it's a gimmick and an app on my phone that chimes every now and then to remind me to be mindful would be the same and much cheaper.
Just started doing non-linear neurofeedback at a practitioner locally. I was weary about these cheaper home models, this sounds nice. I wonder if there is a non-linear version without an activity to focus on. My practitioner likes the non-linear version as the brain can tell itself what to do, without telling you that you are distracted.
What does the non linear feedback look like?
@@ihdandia"The main difference between non-linear and linear neurofeedback, is that in non-linear feedback the trainee's brain, not the trainer, is the expert deciding what to do about the brain's maladaptive patterns. The system mirrors the brain's natural functioning."
@@dbp1926 Could you give an example of each one?
I think full-blown lucid dream technology is what should have the big dough thrown at it. I'm an old guy and have only had a few such dreams, but I can honestly say there's nothing that I'm aware of that is so naturally WONDERFUL! I'm not talking about the type that is simply being aware of one's self while dreaming, as those are nothing. I'm talking about the type where one finds themselves as a sphere of energy in an astounding world where one floats down an ocean shore while feeling the comfortable ambient air while enjoying the whole experience as being as real as real can be ... with ocean waves crashing over large borders as one such dream happened with me years. When you have THAT type of experience you leap out of bed with joy and a spring in the step, as you know there's waaay more to reality than the garbage *this* world keeps shoveling down our throats nearly nonstop.
August 21, 2023
Are you talking about Astral travel? Rosalie does yoga nidra meditations to try to help induce them if you'd like to try to experience them more. If you've done it before you can likely do it again
Thank you for the help in discovering my path to mental health.
Please always link the sources in your descriptions (links to papers), thanks
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Hi, Cody will muse 2 still have the access to sleep feature of the muse software.
I don't want to buy muse s because of the wear and tear but afraid if muse 2 can access the sleep feature
These are great videos why is there no a video that does the practical application of the use of the MUSE 2. Or is there one and I just not found it?
I just got a muse. Day one I tried some conscious breathing and was scoring around 65 percent relaxed. Today I did the Shambhavi meditation from Sadhguru and scored 86 percent relaxed. I also had mire theta and delta wave amplitude than I did with just the breathing. My alpha waves are constantly my highest amplitude. I have been a daily meditator for about 6 years. I also did all of these with the sound off.
This video is worth gold and rubies! However I have few observations:
1. Guided meditation is like an Auto pilot where you become a consumer to the person who guides your mind to a calm state. It can even happen with music.
2. When you are meditating free from these devices, the state of calmness achieved is much more sustainable. You can feel it. Though your muse scores in a self-regulated meditation will be low but you will feel much more satisfied and the calmness is natural and not forced upon the brain.
Thanks for the kind words! Yes the devices should not be used during every meditation.
i would say that Muse is perfect for me as beginners who has problem to keep calm
Yeah because you’re not ramming nnEMFs into your head lmao these machines are stupid af
How do i fond out about ur nrain training. And will it be personalized for me and changed if the 1st protocol doesnt work
Sorry I'm not taking clients right now but there is a referral link for Myndlift coaches
The big question still is : is Muse assisted meditation any better than normal natural meditation ?
Well it probably ends up having similar results but mediation with muse is probably faster
No, it is your regular meditation, if you choose. The guided meditations that they sell to you, before your equipment fails, isn't anything earth shattering. Pretty typical.
Thanks a lot for thisw video!! Not sure if you still read comments under this video: I would love to get a Muse, but I see discussions online (reddit) that Muse rewards alpha waves in regions in the frontal lobe where enhanced alpha are associated with e.g. dementia. Not sure whether this is backed up by studies, do you know anything about that? Thank you very much!
Spiritualist who has gotten into tech. Considering ways to assist my own practice and teach others while narrowing the learning curve/time required to reach key states and insights. Thank you for this analytically sound & spiritually attuned approach you have, rare combo 👍
Really informative video, thanks. A question though: is the device usable by more people? (If i buy it for myself, could my kids and husband use it as well, or is set up only once for one person?) thanks.
I can't seem to find out but I would rather see my brainwaves on a screen and use that to work with rather than those sounds. Do you know of any devices that do that? thanks
LOL So you meditate with your eyes open???
Could a kid with adhd use this
He is a muse affiliate he makes money when he convinces you to buy it, do your own research - independent reviews on it arent as rosy
He is showing independent studies and points out when it's not,he is basically doing the legwork for you,why you don't understand this is beyond me , perhaps you are a hater?if so I feel sorry for you 😢and hope you can break free of such negative thinking 🤔 all the best (genuinely)
Anyway to get pricing without waisting time and putting information for your program?
Any similar devices that are not wireless, for less emf exposure?
Not in wearable form that I am aware of
Sir, are there any feedback devices to help in curing cerebral palsy or Help in recovering from brain injury. please let me know if there is any device such as pemf out in the market which can help with brain injury. TIA. 🙏
Either meditation through Muse or stimulation through NeoRhythm
Ask a doctor. This man might not be qualified to give out medical advice related to brain injuries.
Ask a doctor. This man might not be qualified to give out medical advice related to brain injuries.
I bought the deal 2 Neorhythm devices, and one I use more for gamma brainwave meditation and the other for relaxation, deep meditation and sleep support. I have 2 Muse that I got as a gift and they are not easy to use and don't provide gamma or beta meditation for focus and energy.
I have ADD and I can’t focus in class for even 3 mins straight. I always get distracted from inner thoughts and memories and story scenarios.
This is driving me crazy cuz I’m studying for a very difficult competitive exam and this liability is dragging me down.
Only if I had a device that could detect when I’m daydreaming and mentally absent and could guide me, maybe a beep or a vibration or notification, and create real time analysis of how I zone out and other brain activity analysis, I’d pay big bucks for it and so would everyone with ADD/ADHD!!
I watched this video hoping for some facts on how accurate the headset actually measures . I would like to see some actual independent quality control studies comparing the results of a muse headset vs a medical grade EEG. The only thing I could find on a web search is that its close but if you move around even and flex muscles, even something like swallowing or an involuntary yawn etc. it throws off the muse readings. This whole thing seems like a bit of overpriced tech used to sell a guided meditation subscription. Yes it will help calm you but so will any other meditation regime practiced regularly .
New to neurofeedback here. What if I like the sound of rain and wind more than birds? Birds are lovely but I seriously love the sound of wind and rain.
Just get distracted more!
Which provides the best ease of use (setting up, calibration, etc etc) for consistent “operant conditioning” ? Muse 2 or Muse S (gen2)?
What are the benefits of using this vs meditating without a device?
More feedback
So What? Does Muse explain how to use that feedback? No! They just take it for granted and assume it will result in change improvement. If I took two groups of people and let one use muse with your canned meditations, and the other follow a qualified meditation guru; I'll bet you $10,000.00 the results of the qualified meditation guru lead meditaters will be more profound and quantifiable. @@CodyRallMD
Why would the control not have been a group that practiced meditation without biofeedback
Good question Tony, I did not design the study. I'm sure future studies would benefit from making the control group in that way
What is your discount code? when click the link the discount code does not apply?
Are there any headbands or devices that are more 'active' for meditation? Like stimulating parts of the brain to assist in getting into a meditative state. I remember some crude tDCS devices back in the day.
Holosync and Paraliminal meditation activates both hemispheres without fragile hardware. Muse is a passive device, all it does is collect data.
is there any major difference between muse 2 and muse s?
I am also in Las Vegas. I am curious of your services. I would like to come t with you. What is the name of your company?
So it can track if you are in beta or theta?
It is great if all these headband devices work for you, but can you suggest ideas why these devices won't work for certain people. Coming from someone that spent thousands on neurofeedback training and wearable devices over the years and had no gains
Yes, good idea. Sorry to hear you haven't had any gains Casey
Fix the headband, AH!@@CodyRallMD
Thanks you dr Cody for your help about the program I will contact you about training biofeedback thanks a lot
Thanks I am about to start responding to applications. Keep an eye on your inbox!
Hi. I want a device like this that will show me simply the hz and how long I was in beta, theta, delta etc. Maybe a chart on a phone app or laptop. Does muze have this? If so can I run just that alone without 'training' programs. I'm mostly looking for just recording that type of data.
Yes the Mind Monitor app will do that! Search for it in the app store.
@@CodyRallMD awesome! Thank you Sir
No probem!
@@CodyRallMD How do you feel about the lose of Muse Direct App being completely removed?
are you still available ? via myndlift ?
(thank you !)
The two points that the rain noise becoming louder and silent again can be frustrating and disturbing + the feedback do not correlate with your state of mind is a major issue for me with muse. I use it from time to time to have feedback on the level muse can give you. It's interesting that the headband knows when you are wondering and lost in thoughts but that's all. You have to do the meditation practice on your own it doesn't get easier with a headband.
I LOVE rain, how annoying that its the negative feedback..
I think that would be great if interaxon could deliver a Muse SDK. Would be great to work with Muse in BCI
Great presentation
Been following you for a couple of years now and love your work. Would love to see a follow up video on this though. Like I'm glad the hardware works well, but that's your opinion on the software? I have not used my muse for some time after reading from their staff that the app, which I felt was extremely well designed, was actually giving me feedback on what I'd call the change in my level of calm compared to that session's set point rather than any specific brain wave pattern. The community suggested a different app (muse monitor), but the length of sessions required for the data to normalize was tough given my schedule.
Also, for a lay person it's tough to understand the generalizability between mental fatigue literature and meditation quality. Can you help bridge the gap?
Thanks! I wish Muse was more open about what was "under the hood". I think on other devices and software programs we are going to have more information. Meditation is proposed as helping people focus more in general, which is often measured through cognitive fatigue exercises.
The hardware fails.
Thanks for the honest info!
I want to purchase one but that is quite an investment.
Does the Muse work well?
Does the Muse S have a better contact connect that the Muse 2?
He didn't answer but i found our myself. The the muse is way better for brain connection. The only issue is Bluetooth connectivity to your phone can be choppy
Cody please upload more videos !!!!
his is another question. have you ever practiced or heard of people practicing QI Gond while using one of these devices?
Can you make a video on Mendi!
What I found is that if I guided my subject through the rain the adopted the technology of muse much better
Pretty cool Ron!
Hi Doc - haven't received the email for your brain circuit training. Can you email it to me?
www.techforpsych.com/coaching
You can see more about
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It's inconsistent, I'm an avid meditator, I know when I am doing a good session, sometimes with the device I can get 15-30 minutes of birds, then other times to spite my internal calmness, none, I know it's to do with the beginning calibration, this is a fault with the device.
Would I recommend it, no, I think the idea is good and I know, because of this channel and other sources, there are other systems on the market and more coming, maybe it would be better to hold out for one of them.
To spite my opinion I do get a kick out of the aim of 30 mins of birds, and that objective is an extra motivator, I just wish I could be consistent with the calibration stage......Anyway, I'm off to listen to some birds and visit the Universe. (Good channel)
Thanks John. I know, I wish the calibrations were more consistent. We will see what comes next!
What version of Muse do you have?
@@majkelpl8611 headband and I DO NOT recommend it,
@@johnPaul-qn3dg I bought it and now I see why you didn't recommend it. If anyone reads it, please do not make my mistake 😆
@@majkelpl8611 It's not a quality device, mine actually loses bluetooth connectivity, this hasn't happened to me since my long ago Nokia dumb phone, this is telling I think, they use cheap components and materials and maximise sales not on the quality of the device, but on marketing, which they are very affective at, as they fooled me and many others, I no longer use mine. If you can. send it back for a refund, otherwise, it will just frustrate you. It's a pity I think there is a market for a similar, but better product.
Is it help with dyslexia and other ADHD symptoms?
Is there any device yet with a proper SDK for data analysis without this scam-monthly-extra-payment-and-then-drop-the-SDK-anyway subscription model?
Yes! I highly recommend looking at Neurosity Crown. Great customer support for SDK and no monthly payments. @t
I wish muse measured what state you are in i.e. alpha, theta etc. Hopefully one day they will add that
There's an app you can buy that will show you
@@davidsaintjohn4248 yes I know, I have that, but I actually want it on muse app, one stop shop :)
@@Kiwichick138 gotcha. That would be nice but the muse people don't seem motivated to offer it....😕
At least they allowed Mind Monitor to have access to the raw data
@@CodyRallMD yes that is very true, good point! We are lucky to have that :)
Muse S is a highly engineered product. I love it and it’s very cost effective. I don’t use the muse software but other hand built programs.
I'm a retired reliability engineer. It is poorly engineered. It is Chinese junk.
Is there something better? Epoc? @@73JosieWales
My experience is Muse just gives me random data. I will hear the birds while I’m walking around getting setup to meditate so I don’t trust they can actually detect a meditative state
Thank you for your video !
Thank you for watching Svetlana!
I know that University of Victoria Neuroscientist! I saw him give a talk here in Victoria British Columbia before the pandemic. He's why I am doing this research now watching this video. Yeah the device is legit. HOWEVER, you need to ask WHY you are meditating in the first place to then ask whether this device helps with meditation. Are you meditating just to get good at a particular meditation? Most people would say No. Most people meditate so that they can achieve an objective. Sleep better. Concentrate better. Achieve more balance and equanimity. Better mental health. If you use the Muse, does that help you achieve these objectives or does it just help in the way an Exo-Suite would help you lift weights when you are trying to get fit? If it's just like achieving a personal best on a marathon with steroids you are only cheating yourself. Many of the benefits from meditation are from the effort itself -- reducing the effort can defeat the whole point. So you need to get into the weeds to answer that question.
Glad you got to see Olave speak :) Thanks for the comments about meditation.
The device is completely passive. Muse just senses electrical activity and displays the data that Muse thinks you want to see with metrics Muse thinks you want to see. everything else is up to you. I never listened to their silly canned guided meditations. it's to bad the hardware is unreliable.
Please complement in your video that the sensors in the headband are of low quality and last only a few months.
I bought the MUSE because of your video, and today I regret it very much.
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with the Muse S sensors. Muse 2 seems to hold up well though.
Could this work for someone I know, diagnosed with adult ADHD?
Yes
NO! This is not a medical device thats first. The second issue is that muse informs you only when you drop to alpha which for add person that has impaired brainwaves that is predominantly in theta and even delta waves and just some sporadic alpha hence your calibration would almost NEVER be accurate. This is not for add people and muse is not making water into gold so don't claim meditation or specifically muse device would cure everything.
@@israela6811 can you share more detail on how this has helped people with ADD?
@@ihdandia it helps train ur focus with neurofeedback
@@israela6811 are you speaking from experience? How much of a difference did it make, and how did that translate into benefits in real life? Was this aside from benefits from regular meditation?
I've just bought a Muse 2 and am having trouble with the app. It won't move past the bit where I'm supposed to fit the headband - it says that it's fitted correctly. When I move on to any other meditation or tutorial it just plays the information on how to fit the headband again. Any ideas on how to fix this? 😊
Did you try wetting the forehead sensors? If it is really not working, try contacting the company and explaining the tech issues. Good question Jules.
Is there a way to embed this technology into VR?
Why does an EGG need a heart monitor?
What's stopping the device from interpreting a lowering of heart rate as "birds", instead of actual brain waves?
In my case, feedback makes things worse. If I hear the loud "rain", it causes me stress which then makes me focus on the fact that I'm not meditating deeply, which then pulls me out of the meditation completely. I haven't decided if I like the Muse 2 headband yet since it seems to be really difficult to get a good, stable connection. But I know for sure that I hate the Muse meditation and feedback software.
Is it worth upgrade from the Muse 2 to the Muse S?
If you are looking to improve sleep, I would recommend upgrade to Muse S Gen 2
What is the Brain Circuit Training you speak of? I don't see it on your website (I may be waaay out of the loop). I just ordered my muse 2 through Myndlift. and don't quite know what I'm doing. Thanks.
Yes, we understand that company sponsored research happens all the time. We also understand politicians take money from lobbyist all the time... Those studies are not considered to be accurate. At most, they are considered to make something worth an actual study.
Good post - thanks
Thanks innercognition!
what i don't understand is why they don't have their own calibration for more theta or more alpha waves and you hav to pay another service like Myndlift
Myndlift has an extra sensor the plugs into the Muse 2.
Yes it would be awesome if they gave you more control
its ONLY a tracker. IT WILL DO NOTHING TO IMPROVE YOU. Its up to you what to do after it tells your state. If you do nothing on your own then nothing will change. Muse will NOT change it for you.
I would STRONGLY disagree. it's impossible to hear the biofeedback sound and not to respond, and the response is subconscious, not conscious, so it is effortless, not effortful, so it is impossible to keep the muse from having its result. so as far as I am concerned, as a clinician myself, I think it is an excellent resource and the clinical evidence from people using it in the clinical setting supports my anecdotal findings using it with clients that it is excellent, it works, and people tend to get better faster who are using it. watch other interviews by cody rall an you'll get an education from a lot of respected persons on the value of this technology.. and it's worth saying that organizations like NASA and important healthcare organizations would not be using it and doing research with it if its results were not real.
@@utubengh1 still the person involved needs to be engage. monks have done it BUT they were require to meditate for hours on end. Can a average user do that? You are a clinician and you see results because your patient wants to change. But how of about those you DO NOT SEE vs the ones you do see. Essentially, what you see is already funneled. It is some what cherry picked already. Your patients wants a change for one reason or another. My point being it is NOT muse that make the change BUT the person within. You can achieved similar results without MUSE or any tracking device. Now if you want to see a Pro-Active device that can make change BUT still requires user engagement then I would prefer to spend my $300 to Omnipemf instead of Muse.
Yes very interesting conversation. I think some would prefer NeoRhythm over Muse and vice-versa.
@@CodyRallMD The questions really is how bad do you want to make a change because it will take a lot of effort. Muse will quantify what you are doing BUT if you don't act upon it then MUSE is useless for that individual. MUSE is like Oura Ring or Blood Pressure Monitor. If you don't act on the information well those wearables or what not are entire useless.
Who said it takes no effort by the user? Of course you still have to meditate. The question is: does it actually read what your brain is doing?
Your great!!
I have proven to myself that this device works. While going through manic episode my readings were wild with high amplitude and frequency changes. When I’m normal mental state and relaxed and mindful my readings on Muse or like a straight line.
So the only study validating the headband is comparing doing math problems to meditating with the headband?... obviously you need to compare people doing normal meditation with people doing meditation with the headband. I hope I've missed something because this is a mindblowingly stupid oversight.
Try focus calm much more consistent
You think so? Thanks for the comment!
Has your overall brain function improved where you are doing more diverse things like learn a new instrument or start a business...
Let's get this straight. You have never gotten paid to promote or use their products or make videos about Muse or any other like product. What if you used traditional seated meditation using expert guidance. Would you be any better off after 7 years comparing both methods?
Oh for sure. It's a tool that will give you insights that regular meditation cannot. Simply by giving you feedback..... It's all complimentary. There's no question there...
Muse 2 has went up to $399
My Alpha state went up over 200db+
You seem very smart and informed so I only offer this criticism as a kindness… If you pronounce the word “especially” as “ex-specially” it can be perceived as a discrediting factor by certain people.
Absolutely garbage study comparing tech assisted meditation to Khan academy. And then to extrapolate to say TAM is beneficial for stress, anxiety etc. What about meditation? That's a proper comparison.
Who else thinks of MEW 2 when u hear Muse 2 ?
Where's the paid product placement disclaimer? 👎
A sucker born every 2 seconds 😂😂😂
interesting, but.... why do you have such a stressed voice? Couldn't you be more quite?
I think this 'doctor' is paid to market this useless device. He doesn't seems or sound like he meditated a day in his life.
do you want to slow down, you talk way too fast to be understood.