@@rainerzufall1521 right you’re going to need another set of monitors for bass or a sub my guy, there’s nothing new here sme w NS10s and less bass on auratones ✌🏽
This was my thought also, and I was hearing it from a phone :D Genelec sounds way clearer from here so they must really outperform the Yamahas in real situation.
Nothing wrong with KRK's, I have Genelec 1030a's but if all I had were KRK's it would still be alright. Make sure your room acoustics are in order and most importantly you know your room and your speakers. I have worked with KRK's quite a lot and they definitely aren't flat they are colored but you can still mix pretty good on them.
@@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom Well thanks - but actually there is something wrong with them as one of my purposes is modern metal rhythm guitar. You can spend years learning how to maintain a tight, aggressive full bottom end of low tuned, fast picked rhythm parts. You then play it on the KRK's and it's nothing but flub again. So not only are they colored but they also lack control of upper low end to lower mid range that they boost. I don't notice it much in other genres but for my main one they just plain suck! It's possible they can be tamed with a digital filter but I doubt that they will ever get remotely tight despite removing the boosts. But of course, it's not many genres that have anything fast going on in the low end and I'm sure they are great for saying "ooompff ooompff ooompff"!
Poul Winther Knudsen No like I said they are definitely colored and yes they are muddy and it will make it harder to mix but you can definitely make a great mix on them if you know them.
@@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom I got the 8010A's already but didn't start using them because I am building a new room. I will need to add a sub so now I just hope it's not too difficult to handle the phase issues.
Thanks for this comparison. The interesting part for me was around the 7 minute mark, with the male voice. That small Genelec gave it quite a bit more chest, while the Yamaha sounded more like a speaker at that point. Also, if you close your eyes you forget that you're hearing a 3" speaker. Would love to hear the next bigger 8020 model. But thanks anyway.
the yamaha speakers sound too nasally. seems like they have a boost in frequency at around 800-1.5k the Genelecs sound flatter listen to how the vocals sound with the genelecs. mixes would translate much better if mixing in those speakers.
If money were no consideration then these would be a good match for cross reference, ie get them both. The Yamaha have a slightly larger range of production, extending up to a usable 24khz (within 3db, whereas the Genelec are down that far by 20khz) and down to at least 55hz (Genelec wanes considerably by 65hz). The main thing to note between these two is that the Yamaha's crossover is at 2khz and the Genelec's is at 3khz, which is why the Genelecs present so much ''depth''. Their sound stage at the most common reverb reflection frequencies, 2-3k, is being driven by a larger mass coil/cone - objects in motion tend to stay in motion - even considering that 2.8k to 3.2k would be shared between woofer and tweeter to bridge any dip, it is inevitable that there will be an increase in perceived clarity there (which is just that, perceived, as it won't show on any graph because it is an electrical artifact, ie something that happens AFTER and because of any tangible/testable element/mechanism). That exaggeration would put me off using the 8010As in critical situations like recording or mastering but using them to mix with should be fine, especially as a second to any of the Yamaha HS lineup, if you keep that in mind. With the HS5s, when there is no signal present from 2-3k you hear no signal because the tweeter covering that range is not going to continue moving enough to give you such artifacts from reverb tails. It is NOT that they are not giving you something that is there, it IS that they are not giving you what is not there. It's difficult to head-to-head Yamaha / Genelec because they have such different design philosophies and their choices of crossover frequencies is at the very heart of that. Being perfectly honest, the Genelecs would likely be an easier monitor to spend 6 or more hours in front of but they would leave you second guessing much more than the Yamahas, when you heard your results in random places on random systems. Like I said, I'd take them both because I think they compliment each other nicely for the overall engineer (recording, mixing, mastering). The Yamahas for recording and mastering with and the Genelecs for mixing (long hours where groove and feel and vibe and artistic texture is more important than the geeky precisiony stuff). These two are not really competitors, in my eyes, they do two totally different things intentionally.
Listen to that lead guitar from 9:12 on. On the HS5s the pick attack is matched by the harmonics of the strings and the body of the guitar is not boomy at all but once it switches to the 8010As the upper 1/2 of the guitar is overshadowed by the body of the guitar, which is now boomy, and the harmonics within the strings disappear, that low mid is almost to the point of saturation. In a mix session using the 8010As you could figure this out if you are aware that it is happening but most likely you wouldn't, most people would likely record, mix and master their own home project with the 8010As and not realize until they had released their final work that they had shaved so much off of that guitar (because the Genelecs were telling them it was too loud) that they would regret it and wish they could do it all over from scratch. Add in what would happen to bass guitar and drums and I see those Genelecs making a lot of people bag holders of seriously warped productions who use those alone with no second set of reference monitors. I would mix with them but turn them OFF and the Yamahas ON before making final settings before a print. It's really not about being a fanboy or brand loyalty, it's about not deluding oneself with whatever makes you feel good at the expense of just being wrong.
If you have more budget, just get higher end Genelec. We have a set of 8030A in our living room just to listen music and watch TV and I still it was worth the cost. Depending on how much bass you want, you may also want to have DSP corrected sub because 8030A can playback only 58 Hz - 20 kHz (with +/- 2.0 dB level). I lived for a long time without DSP corrected sub and when I finally got DSpeaker 8033 DSP in between, the sub suddenly started to work with the speakers.
So we are listening to a mic'd up set of speakers, and listening to it on a compressed video channel on what? A laptop? Headphones? The very idea of all this is soooooooo wrong to me!
it's just for reference. Thanks to these videos I can get a rough idea of what to expect from particular monitors and how they compare in a general manner. It's pretty obvious that if you are thinking seriously about buying one of these, you should go to the shop and check them in person, but at least now I know which ones I want to check. What's wrong about it?
The problem is that from these video I can't know if Yamahas lack bass or genelecs are hyped. The high frequencies sound less harsh in the genelecs, but again it could be lack of high frequency response in the genelecs.Now this are the smallest genelecs, can't imagine how much more bass the 30's or up will have. Great video BTW.
rodzeroher it’s a very balanced little speaker, we have these 8010’s as well as pretty much everything Genelec makes at work and it’s truly an impressive little speaker.
Lets better put it this way.....what you hearing is the speakers in context being filtered by the youtube quality and then by the speakers or headphones you are using. So theres no way you will hear a real representation of sound the speakers offer. I had the HS5 and trust me they dont sound nothing compared to what I just heard on this video.
Funny, because 6 years later and my HS5 still look as good as new. And I'd hardly say the HS5's are inferior in an absolute sense... compared to the Genelec 8341 I have sitting above them.
I think people be noted that online listening cannot reproduce that kind of field and depth that each speaker could reporduce. Therefore, you can only discriminate certain characteristics of those speaker. This means, probably people are going to ignore that 8010A actually has a very weak low freq respones and it makes its vocal reproduction quite different from larger speakers. (generally, it feels more 'forward' because of the lack of bass)
I own both. Good test, it is like it is. Genelecs sound more coherent, Yamaha more as 2 drivers trying to work together with some phaseproblems and somewhat a weak bass but otherwise fairly balanced.
Both sound great to me actually. It's like you're watching a band play live in front of you. The difference for me is that the Yamaha sounds like the band is playing inside a confined space . While the Genelec sounds like you're watching a band play in an open air venue. At the end of the day I guess it's a personal choice.
@@harmonicsball89 hey, I know it's old comment but isn't the reverse true since the genelec have more low end and less high end? which would make yamaha sound like open air without reflections and genelec with more reflection causing more low end?
@@harmonicsball89 it does show in measurement, although hard to tell just cause yamaha is uneven. What part of the frequency response contribute to it sounding in room vs open air venue?
@@normalname1501 I’m not sure but I do know that this function on the Genelecs are hailed as being one of the best in the industry at this. I was with a major television company and worked directly with the producers of the ads for shows you may have heard of and all 14 studios used the Genelecs. When I questioned one of the award winning sound engineers, he was able to relay why he thought the Genelecs were superior. Until then, my favs were the Yamaha H8’s. One day I decided to try the small Gens w their sub and my mixes became super accurate -to the point that the car test is usually now very much the same. I have to admit though, I do use the Gens in tandem w Avantone Mix Cubes (like the original Auratones) to finesse mids. But the the mix always ends up on the Gens for everything else.
As a professional 30+ years rap music producer with extremely trained ears i wanted to give my opinions..First of all you should know I own them both and love them both. I also have about 4 5 more pairs from other brands and i used almost all brands in studios and in my own studio. My 5 inch monkey bananas were so great i still regret i sold them. Yamaha.. gives a clear and real sound and punchier bass than 8010, (not more bass, tighter) but the mids needs to be pulled down just a hair. by the way i use them all with minor eq adjustments. so turn down the 1khz little bit, also same on the 20khz highs .although it is nice as it is but the real world doesn't sound this way. End listeners will be using other regular speakers. Also use them with a subwoofer because you could never guess how much you should turn the bass up while making music. especially the lower bass below 80Hz you wouldn't know. without subwoofer what you hear at home or in the studio will be totally different than the one in the club or in a car.. Genelec.. amazing powerful sound with a strong bass. but it shadows the mids which is not ideal for a studio monitor. if being used for everyday music listening they are perfect, even incredible. So in conclusion, both are good speakers with detailed sounds compared to other monitors. if you want big monitors go with the yamaha but not without a subwoofer. If you want something compact yet powerful go with genelec 8010( more than enough for most normal sized rooms and studios) but with genelec you have to turn down the bass a little to get a clean perfect sound. One more thing i should mention, yamaha doesn't have an auto standby and wake up mode which bothers me alot.
Genelec i s a bit heavy and not as playful. Does not express the energy one desires from the music at the peaks. This relative to the Yamaha of course. Also it has a bit of plastic signature. The reverberation in Genelec is smaller, even if it goes to lower bass. Tonally may be better, but without energic control for dynamics it is not the same. Also even for the tonality remember the small plastic tint. But with the right tonality the music is much more beautiful, in which Genelec excels. Yamaha even if dynamic, may start sounding one-sided (with a bit of sweet mud, mostly dominating highs and the slight modification to tonality it comes with). Even dynamics in Yamaha may start feeling too eager. It is quite confusing which to pick. On a lower end hi-fi system the microphone recording from Yamaha sounded more lively (which gives you an idea if you are mixing for the consumer), but with headphones Genelec reveals its strenghts. Voices in Yamaha are too one-sided, but beautiful in Genelec. One only can imagine the result if the shortcomings are remedied, but it will be more pricy for sure.
IN MY OPINION, the Genelecs have more life and realism. But whether it's a realistic representation of the instrumentation or just very catchy tuning of certain frequencies I can't say. HS5 sounds amazingly realistic, but is still somewhat 'tinny'.
I listened to this demo first on a old Logitech 2.1 speaker system and could not really decide... now i listened to it again and i know i made the right choice.... Genelecs 8030s baby!
That's if you can afford Genlec, what a great sounding set of monitors. I'd still cut too much bass if I had a pair, so I'm better off with the Yamaha's
Listening to your video with my old Tannoy PBM6.5 powered by Adcom GFA-555II - the Genelecs sound great. I understand they are very flat to hear all the imperfections, which is what I'm looking for. They sound fuller than the Yamaha. Is that much of a concern?
at the moment I'm testing the HS5 in my home studio, but after a few minutes my ears hurt and I have to stop the music. I work at low volume. I have never had this problem with other speakers and I tested a lot of speakers in my studio. I also have HS7 and I don't have this problem with them at all. Not for me ...
Resting monitors on foam is not as great an idea as it might seem. The speaker housing is not held rigid so it moves back and forth inversely to the woofer/bass driver - reducing the effect of the bass driver. The Genelec's have specially designed rubber isolation feet, just use them - not wobbly foam pads. In fact in this price range I recommend headphones as a valid option, Yamaha MT5 (not the MT8's - or any other brand, just the MT5's).
"In this price range"? Mt5s are 99$ and the hs5s are 400$, the genelec even more. The mt5s are just outright an inferior option by a long stretch, especially taking into account the fact that stereo separation is just always better on speakers. Its also baffling that youd think the lower end yamaha headphones are somehow better than the higher end ones.
Let me tell about the Hs5 that openness is not harshness, this will quickly reveal anything in vocals, such as SIBILANCE, harsh guitars etc, will quickly be heard and so you fix them...... we listened to near 25 sets of speakers and hs 5 came out the winner, even more helpful hs 8, speakers for mixing is not about what us smooth or flatest etc, IS IT WHICH SHOWS ME FAULTS CLEARER. Highs and lows are where problems may go unnoticed.......you must have sub woofer and bass deep headphones to together check your lows, if you buy a sub now with a 5 inch type speakers, you will hear some weird noises and or rumbles from old mixes, and wonder how your big or so call better speaker didn't reveal it. Go play music in night club, where the volume and sound are larger than life, you will or might want go and mix your song over again. When you have a bight or mid rangy type speaker they prevent you mixing too sharp, you will have all right amount of highs, many supposedly great song were not great enough mix wise, because the DJ most of time will still eq the songs to be perfect in a huge night club or large system. When you use NS10 or speakers going that direction you will have mix that, most of the time the DJ not need to adjust your song as he does most songs, only few songs are truly perfect. If it can sound bright enough and deep enough for those super night clubs, now that is a perfect mix.
Genelec - medium width slight hump in lower mid frequencies, slightly rolled off top end. If you like darker/warmer with punch (hyped right in that male vocal/guitar range) well represented bass, rolled off treble effectively creating the illusion of warmth (considering driver size and wee form factor): Get Genelec. Yamaha - medium width slight hump in upper mid frequencies, slightly roll off low end. If you like all the brighter/sizzle, stronger upper mids (hyped right in the female vocal/violin range), rolled off bass very effectively creating the illusion of clarity (considering driver size and larger from factor): Get Yamaha Get a sub for either. Or skip all this and buy a cheap guitar and decent headphones I guess.
The low end of the range sounded very different in the song starting at 8:30. In Genelec, the bass sounded better. In contrast, the bass is not heard well on the Yamaha. I thought the Yamaha HS5 needed a subwoofer for mastering applications.
as a genelec 8350 haver... the HS5 is exactly what I miss in presentation... this enhanced mid clutter that is present here it pushes music closer to you while I know this is a defect and you naturally lose some depth from the music, at the classical mood you can clearly hear that this "defective" mid sounds more energetic and mid texture is more apparent
I bought the 8010a ones for use when I travel originally as I have used the 8020a for years and they blew away the competition when I bought them in 2006. I am used to the sound. The 8020 Genelecs have more bottom end and really sound nice. The Yamaha's have less bottom end generally and can be a bit harsh in the high frequencies but they give you more detail in that spectrum more than any other brand at that price range. As someone said they are more reference speakers more than main monitors in my opinion.
It's not a scientific review but differences are differences. If you are familiar with the Hs5, it's easy to imagine how the genelec will sound like, based on the difference, that if you can hear it.
It Is interesting the bass test. The Yamaha shows a better response bellow 60 Hz, but the Genelec shows a better response in the range between 70 to 100 Hz that seems to be the one offering the better bass sensation in such a small speakers. Maybe the Yamaha’s should work better locating near a wall or even better in a corner that may help compensate this lack of bass in these frequency ranges.
Yes...at least somebody in this world understand the technology behind the hs5. Thats how they are supposed to be used . Hs5 were designed for the home studio owner which doesnt have too much bass traps so the speakers itself compensate for the lack of bass. In other words they use the room as bass compensation. I had them 5 years ago ...and never had any issues with bass until I decided to cover every corner of my room with bass traps. I did y research cuz I noticed the change in sound ....and found out they were supposed to be used with no room acoustics. Specially bass traps. But seems like nobody have spend some time researching before buying.
Genelec every day! But using a microphone to record sound from the speakers can't tell the full story. You have to here these Genelec's in person. It's the same as watching a chef on UA-cam making a delicious meal and expecting people to be able to taste it by liking the screen.
The midrange on the HS5 sounds horrible to me, and quite treble heavy too. I tried the HS8 from someone I know IRL and I feel like it was fine with EDM/Hip hop but when listening to rock, classical, and Jazz it just fell apart completely. Keep in mind the room wasn't near perfect but I get the feeling that it wasn't just me going crazy after now also having seen this video and hearing the same thing.
► Yams = music sounds "boxy," restrained, fake-ish. ► Gens = music sounds "settled," in the room. It's sitting right across the spectrum. For a YT video test at 720p. You hear it with classical and jazz and vocals. And the bass tests also give a strange picture. I owned the HS8 (a little beast), but due to moving I had to sell them and so got the HS5. Yes, room treatment is important to a degree, but still - I don't believe they are helping my mix, I don't want to have to fight near-fields. This is what brought me here. Grateful for the video and the comments!
People are saying the hs5s are better for classical? Probably they have never played a cello... Of course the true low end is not perceived by either speaker. The violin hype around 2/2.5kHz in my opinion is fatiguing. I own hs8s and just snagged these genelecs for nearfields. Calibrating the trim on both hs5s and 8010s for room compensation is a must for a new owner I think.
I bought Genelec 8010A (300$)and Yamaha HS5(200$) recently ,8010A is much better ,8010 has better ranger response, hs5 sounds like a sound box compare to 8010,and much bigger and heavier.
Is there a video on the HS7 versus the 8010A/G One B? I am on the fence between these two. I live in a an apartment so cannot have any deep bass. As long as there is some tight bass then Ill be happy. I am just used to listening via Sennheiser HD-660S headphones. Could stretch to the 8020D/G Two B.
I I have the I louds and genlecs and have mixed with the hs5s...... There's a reason I don't own the hs5s.... The genlecs are simply beautiful, true flat response. My I louds sound too extended at the top and not rounded enough at the lows..... The genlecs open your ears to a new world of audio. The Yamahas don't come anywhere close.... Its all down to your ear and how you soak them up....
If I would have to listen for a long time to these speakers, I would definitly choose the Genelec speakers. So much easier to lisen to and not ”in the face” sound. Easy choise.
thank god I'm listening to this on my own pair of Genelec 8010A, I can't imagine how bad those HS5 would have sounded going through another pair of HS5
The 8010's sound more accurate. Upper bass, > 70 hz, the 8010's are louder, but < 70 hz, the HS5's are louder. Then at 50 hz, the 8010's fall off a cliff. That's the 8010's weakness. But they have 3" drivers, the HS5's are 5".
Hi excellent comparison indeed But i think that a correction with an equalizer could make the Yamaha sound pretty close to the Genelec However i cannot say anything about 3d Soundstage I think that the Genelec could be superior for they wonderful cabinet A real marvel Thank you very much and kind regards Gino
Still, #Yamahas're Among The Best Studio Monitors Today. & Remember It's All About The Producer/Mix Engineer To End Up With A Great Master 🙂 I'll Always Recommend The #Yamahas To Any Home/Pro Studio Owner Out There, Especially The Ones Serious Enough About Mixing 😐
my mind is blown to hear that little genelec could beat HS 5. just how could it has such a fuller, broad sound from such a tiny body?yes Yamaha has better high in my opinion, but genelec has amazing sound presentation. but how could i judge through my crappy 104...
guess many people here have monitors so can clearly hear the diference. very nice :) would like to combine genelec with Schiit Modi Multibit obviously they are not not the room filler vs any larger speaker at higher volumes :D
Everybody is gonna pick generic but what nobody notice is that generic are just smoothing the sound in the area of 2-3k which it makes it sound warm but at the same time is hiding some stuff right there ....and thats a very sensible area for the human ear. To my taste generic sounds too hyped around 100hz and 12 kHz...which unfortunately is what draws the consumer to get them. Hs5 were designed for the home studio owner which doesnt have too much bass traps so the speakers itself compensate for the lack of bass. In other words they use the room as bass compensation. I had them 5 years ago ...and never had any issues with bass until I decided to cover every corner of my room with bass traps. I did y research cuz I noticed the change in sound ....and found out they were supposed to be used with no room acoustics. Specially bass traps. But seems like nobody have spend some time researching before buying.
Listening on an iPad LOL
The depth Genelec can portray is just amazing
The genelec pounds those Yamaha into the ground; impressive.
amazing sound out of such a small speaker
Genelec has a warmer and fuller sound.
Not in the mid range and res frequencies
@@MiguelNoyola1 cus theres no fuggin base on yamaha. everything sounds crystal clear without bass.
@@rainerzufall1521 Hs5s have bass. 🤦🏻♂️
@@rainerzufall1521 right you’re going to need another set of monitors for bass or a sub my guy, there’s nothing new here sme w NS10s and less bass on auratones ✌🏽
This was my thought also, and I was hearing it from a phone :D Genelec sounds way clearer from here so they must really outperform the Yamahas in real situation.
Genelec wins hands down.
How the heck am I supposed to tell the difference through my crappy KRK's? lol
Nothing wrong with KRK's, I have Genelec 1030a's but if all I had were KRK's it would still be alright. Make sure your room acoustics are in order and most importantly you know your room and your speakers. I have worked with KRK's quite a lot and they definitely aren't flat they are colored but you can still mix pretty good on them.
@@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom Well thanks - but actually there is something wrong with them as one of my purposes is modern metal rhythm guitar. You can spend years learning how to maintain a tight, aggressive full bottom end of low tuned, fast picked rhythm parts. You then play it on the KRK's and it's nothing but flub again. So not only are they colored but they also lack control of upper low end to lower mid range that they boost. I don't notice it much in other genres but for my main one they just plain suck!
It's possible they can be tamed with a digital filter but I doubt that they will ever get remotely tight despite removing the boosts. But of course, it's not many genres that have anything fast going on in the low end and I'm sure they are great for saying "ooompff ooompff ooompff"!
Poul Winther Knudsen No like I said they are definitely colored and yes they are muddy and it will make it harder to mix but you can definitely make a great mix on them if you know them.
@@BoboButYouCanCallMeTom I got the 8010A's already but didn't start using them because I am building a new room. I will need to add a sub so now I just hope it's not too difficult to handle the phase issues.
@@poulwinther just try to keep equal distance and crossover the subwoofer and the fullrange speakers.
Thanks for this comparison. The interesting part for me was around the 7 minute mark, with the male voice. That small Genelec gave it quite a bit more chest, while the Yamaha sounded more like a speaker at that point. Also, if you close your eyes you forget that you're hearing a 3" speaker. Would love to hear the next bigger 8020 model. But thanks anyway.
the yamaha speakers sound too nasally. seems like they have a boost in frequency at around 800-1.5k the Genelecs sound flatter listen to how the vocals sound with the genelecs. mixes would translate much better if mixing in those speakers.
These were based on the NS-10s, so they have that character
If money were no consideration then these would be a good match for cross reference, ie get them both. The Yamaha have a slightly larger range of production, extending up to a usable 24khz (within 3db, whereas the Genelec are down that far by 20khz) and down to at least 55hz (Genelec wanes considerably by 65hz). The main thing to note between these two is that the Yamaha's crossover is at 2khz and the Genelec's is at 3khz, which is why the Genelecs present so much ''depth''. Their sound stage at the most common reverb reflection frequencies, 2-3k, is being driven by a larger mass coil/cone - objects in motion tend to stay in motion - even considering that 2.8k to 3.2k would be shared between woofer and tweeter to bridge any dip, it is inevitable that there will be an increase in perceived clarity there (which is just that, perceived, as it won't show on any graph because it is an electrical artifact, ie something that happens AFTER and because of any tangible/testable element/mechanism). That exaggeration would put me off using the 8010As in critical situations like recording or mastering but using them to mix with should be fine, especially as a second to any of the Yamaha HS lineup, if you keep that in mind. With the HS5s, when there is no signal present from 2-3k you hear no signal because the tweeter covering that range is not going to continue moving enough to give you such artifacts from reverb tails. It is NOT that they are not giving you something that is there, it IS that they are not giving you what is not there. It's difficult to head-to-head Yamaha / Genelec because they have such different design philosophies and their choices of crossover frequencies is at the very heart of that. Being perfectly honest, the Genelecs would likely be an easier monitor to spend 6 or more hours in front of but they would leave you second guessing much more than the Yamahas, when you heard your results in random places on random systems. Like I said, I'd take them both because I think they compliment each other nicely for the overall engineer (recording, mixing, mastering). The Yamahas for recording and mastering with and the Genelecs for mixing (long hours where groove and feel and vibe and artistic texture is more important than the geeky precisiony stuff). These two are not really competitors, in my eyes, they do two totally different things intentionally.
Listen to that lead guitar from 9:12 on. On the HS5s the pick attack is matched by the harmonics of the strings and the body of the guitar is not boomy at all but once it switches to the 8010As the upper 1/2 of the guitar is overshadowed by the body of the guitar, which is now boomy, and the harmonics within the strings disappear, that low mid is almost to the point of saturation. In a mix session using the 8010As you could figure this out if you are aware that it is happening but most likely you wouldn't, most people would likely record, mix and master their own home project with the 8010As and not realize until they had released their final work that they had shaved so much off of that guitar (because the Genelecs were telling them it was too loud) that they would regret it and wish they could do it all over from scratch. Add in what would happen to bass guitar and drums and I see those Genelecs making a lot of people bag holders of seriously warped productions who use those alone with no second set of reference monitors. I would mix with them but turn them OFF and the Yamahas ON before making final settings before a print. It's really not about being a fanboy or brand loyalty, it's about not deluding oneself with whatever makes you feel good at the expense of just being wrong.
If you have more budget, just get higher end Genelec. We have a set of 8030A in our living room just to listen music and watch TV and I still it was worth the cost. Depending on how much bass you want, you may also want to have DSP corrected sub because 8030A can playback only 58 Hz - 20 kHz (with +/- 2.0 dB level). I lived for a long time without DSP corrected sub and when I finally got DSpeaker 8033 DSP in between, the sub suddenly started to work with the speakers.
The Yamahas sounds like they’re high passed instead of flat but then again this a UA-cam video and they more than likely sound way different in person
i hear the same thing ..... and the sound of Genelec is very nice ....
Genelec for life. Those are made literaly 5km away from my place.
Funnily enough 20 years ago certain Yamaha speakers used to be made in Finland, probably by OR. Plenty of speaker manufacturers in Finland.
So we are listening to a mic'd up set of speakers, and listening to it on a compressed video channel on what? A laptop? Headphones? The very idea of all this is soooooooo wrong to me!
it's just for reference. Thanks to these videos I can get a rough idea of what to expect from particular monitors and how they compare in a general manner. It's pretty obvious that if you are thinking seriously about buying one of these, you should go to the shop and check them in person, but at least now I know which ones I want to check. What's wrong about it?
Then use proper listening gear... You can still hear the genelecs are the warmer pair of speakers in this comparison
You did choose to listen.... be kind...
The problem is that from these video I can't know if Yamahas lack bass or genelecs are hyped. The high frequencies sound less harsh in the genelecs, but again it could be lack of high frequency response in the genelecs.Now this are the smallest genelecs, can't imagine how much more bass the 30's or up will have. Great video BTW.
rodzeroher it’s a very balanced little speaker, we have these 8010’s as well as pretty much everything Genelec makes at work and it’s truly an impressive little speaker.
Lets better put it this way.....what you hearing is the speakers in context being filtered by the youtube quality and then by the speakers or headphones you are using. So theres no way you will hear a real representation of sound the speakers offer. I had the HS5 and trust me they dont sound nothing compared to what I just heard on this video.
Yamaha definitely leaves you wishing for more on the low end. Always have been that way since the NS10's
Genelec wins. HS5 also looks dated and that white color will become yellow sooner than you can spell Micropachycephalosaurus.
who cares about looks. the accuracy is way more importante
HS7 combined with Genelec 8030
hahahahha so funny
If you smoke in the room yea, they’ll turn yellow soon. Stay off the cigs, kids!
Funny, because 6 years later and my HS5 still look as good as new. And I'd hardly say the HS5's are inferior in an absolute sense... compared to the Genelec 8341 I have sitting above them.
I think people be noted that online listening cannot reproduce that kind of field and depth that each speaker could reporduce. Therefore, you can only discriminate certain characteristics of those speaker.
This means, probably people are going to ignore that 8010A actually has a very weak low freq respones and it makes its vocal reproduction quite different from larger speakers. (generally, it feels more 'forward' because of the lack of bass)
Well, for me it seems to have more bass than the yamaha 🤔
@@manoglzinn 8010A, to me, vitually does not have any bass. Yamaha, on the other hand, seems to be intensionally tuned to have very little bass.
Great comparison video 👍🏻 Genelecs all the way for me, just pop those puppies in your bag and off you go. They are tiny!! 😁👍🏻
I own both. Good test, it is like it is. Genelecs sound more coherent, Yamaha more as 2 drivers trying to work together with some phaseproblems and somewhat a weak bass but otherwise fairly balanced.
Both sound great to me actually. It's like you're watching a band play live in front of you. The difference for me is that the Yamaha sounds like the band is playing inside a confined space . While the Genelec sounds like you're watching a band play in an open air venue. At the end of the day I guess it's a personal choice.
Hey John, I've been an audio engineer for over 20 years. Your description here is spot on imo.
@@harmonicsball89 hey, I know it's old comment but isn't the reverse true since the genelec have more low end and less high end? which would make yamaha sound like open air without reflections and genelec with more reflection causing more low end?
@@normalname1501 I don’t find the Genelecs to have more low end. Besides, Genelecs room tuning feature is superb.
@@harmonicsball89 it does show in measurement, although hard to tell just cause yamaha is uneven. What part of the frequency response contribute to it sounding in room vs open air venue?
@@normalname1501 I’m not sure but I do know that this function on the Genelecs are hailed as being one of the best in the industry at this. I was with a major television company and worked directly with the producers of the ads for shows you may have heard of and all 14 studios used the Genelecs.
When I questioned one of the award winning sound engineers, he was able to relay why he thought the Genelecs were superior. Until then, my favs were the Yamaha H8’s.
One day I decided to try the small Gens w their sub and my mixes became super accurate -to the point that the car test is usually now very much the same. I have to admit though, I do use the Gens in tandem w Avantone Mix Cubes (like the original Auratones) to finesse mids. But the the mix always ends up on the Gens for everything else.
how is a speaker that small sooo goood
Genelec all the way you hear the definition clearly unless your ears are clogged
you literally can tell the difference, you are not actually listening to the speakers, but to a recording, through your speakers.
Unreal
As a professional 30+ years rap music producer with extremely trained ears i wanted to give my opinions..First of all you should know I own them both and love them both. I also have about 4 5 more pairs from other brands and i used almost all brands in studios and in my own studio. My 5 inch monkey bananas were so great i still regret i sold them. Yamaha.. gives a clear and real sound and punchier bass than 8010, (not more bass, tighter) but the mids needs to be pulled down just a hair. by the way i use them all with minor eq adjustments. so turn down the 1khz little bit, also same on the 20khz highs .although it is nice as it is but the real world doesn't sound this way. End listeners will be using other regular speakers. Also use them with a subwoofer because you could never guess how much you should turn the bass up while making music. especially the lower bass below 80Hz you wouldn't know. without subwoofer what you hear at home or in the studio will be totally different than the one in the club or in a car.. Genelec.. amazing powerful sound with a strong bass. but it shadows the mids which is not ideal for a studio monitor. if being used for everyday music listening they are perfect, even incredible. So in conclusion, both are good speakers with detailed sounds compared to other monitors. if you want big monitors go with the yamaha but not without a subwoofer. If you want something compact yet powerful go with genelec 8010( more than enough for most normal sized rooms and studios) but with genelec you have to turn down the bass a little to get a clean perfect sound. One more thing i should mention, yamaha doesn't have an auto standby and wake up mode which bothers me alot.
Wow Genelec. Just wow. 🔥🔥
Genelec i s a bit heavy and not as playful. Does not express the energy one desires from the music at the peaks. This relative to the Yamaha of course. Also it has a bit of plastic signature. The reverberation in Genelec is smaller, even if it goes to lower bass. Tonally may be better, but without energic control for dynamics it is not the same. Also even for the tonality remember the small plastic tint. But with the right tonality the music is much more beautiful, in which Genelec excels. Yamaha even if dynamic, may start sounding one-sided (with a bit of sweet mud, mostly dominating highs and the slight modification to tonality it comes with). Even dynamics in Yamaha may start feeling too eager. It is quite confusing which to pick. On a lower end hi-fi system the microphone recording from Yamaha sounded more lively (which gives you an idea if you are mixing for the consumer), but with headphones Genelec reveals its strenghts. Voices in Yamaha are too one-sided, but beautiful in Genelec. One only can imagine the result if the shortcomings are remedied, but it will be more pricy for sure.
It is a well known fact that Genelecs are the worlds best monitors!! Just no competition out there!!
Genelec's wipe the floor with the yamaha's. The only drawback to the genelec's are the size which limit the width and space of the sound.
Yamaha HS5 just got obliterated...
you literally can tell the difference, you are not actually listening to the speakers, but to a recording, through your speakers.
Unreal
IN MY OPINION, the Genelecs have more life and realism. But whether it's a realistic representation of the instrumentation or just very catchy tuning of certain frequencies I can't say. HS5 sounds amazingly realistic, but is still somewhat 'tinny'.
The HS5 sounds more extended in the sub department but hyped in the 1.5k area. Genelec sounds more natural overall.
Finally i'm sure that Yamaha hs5 is great for orchestral music ! genelec is way better for other genres...thanks for your video :)
i bought yamaha & its really best for orchestral music.
I listened to this demo first on a old Logitech 2.1 speaker system and could not really decide... now i listened to it again and i know i made the right choice.... Genelecs 8030s baby!
Those hs5 would get right on your t1ts after a couple of hours listening. Might be OK for mixing, but monitoring, nah.
That's if you can afford Genlec, what a great sounding set of monitors. I'd still cut too much bass if I had a pair, so I'm better off with the Yamaha's
basically not a big difference, except the low end huuge difference
Thanks for the comparison. In my opinion Genelec is the clear winner here especially on low frequencies. Choice of audio also superb 👍
They both sound good.. be thankful we get this shit at all.. 50yrs ago you would if not even have had a tv at home
When i think about buy hs5,i saw this video and now i have 8010,thank you so much for help 🙂🙏
I feel the Yamaha speaker ,the sound like just open box ,like pure new speaker sound.
Listening to your video with my old Tannoy PBM6.5 powered by Adcom GFA-555II - the Genelecs sound great. I understand they are very flat to hear all the imperfections, which is what I'm looking for. They sound fuller than the Yamaha. Is that much of a concern?
at the moment I'm testing the HS5 in my home studio, but after a few minutes my ears hurt and I have to stop the music. I work at low volume. I have never had this problem with other speakers and I tested a lot of speakers in my studio. I also have HS7 and I don't have this problem with them at all. Not for me ...
Resting monitors on foam is not as great an idea as it might seem. The speaker housing is not held rigid so it moves back and forth inversely to the woofer/bass driver - reducing the effect of the bass driver.
The Genelec's have specially designed rubber isolation feet, just use them - not wobbly foam pads.
In fact in this price range I recommend headphones as a valid option, Yamaha MT5 (not the MT8's - or any other brand, just the MT5's).
"In this price range"? Mt5s are 99$ and the hs5s are 400$, the genelec even more. The mt5s are just outright an inferior option by a long stretch, especially taking into account the fact that stereo separation is just always better on speakers. Its also baffling that youd think the lower end yamaha headphones are somehow better than the higher end ones.
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wow superb comparison. genelec has thicker mid. yamaha is a bit harsh. genelec wins for me.
Let me tell about the Hs5 that openness is not harshness, this will quickly reveal anything in vocals, such as SIBILANCE, harsh guitars etc, will quickly be heard and so you fix them......
we listened to near 25 sets of speakers and hs 5 came out the winner, even more helpful hs 8, speakers for mixing is not about what us smooth or flatest etc, IS IT WHICH SHOWS ME FAULTS CLEARER.
Highs and lows are where problems may go unnoticed.......you must have sub woofer and bass deep headphones to together check your lows, if you buy a sub now with a 5 inch type speakers, you will hear some weird noises and or rumbles from old mixes, and wonder how your big or so call better speaker didn't reveal it.
Go play music in night club, where the volume and sound are larger than life, you will or might want go and mix your song over again.
When you have a bight or mid rangy type speaker they prevent you mixing too sharp, you will have all right amount of highs, many supposedly great song were not great enough mix wise, because the DJ most of time will still eq the songs to be perfect in a huge night club or large system.
When you use NS10 or speakers going that direction you will have mix that, most of the time the DJ not need to adjust your song as he does most songs, only few songs are truly perfect.
If it can sound bright enough and deep enough for those super night clubs, now that is a perfect mix.
Genelec - medium width slight hump in lower mid frequencies, slightly rolled off top end. If you like darker/warmer with punch (hyped right in that male vocal/guitar range) well represented bass, rolled off treble effectively creating the illusion of warmth (considering driver size and wee form factor): Get Genelec.
Yamaha - medium width slight hump in upper mid frequencies, slightly roll off low end. If you like all the brighter/sizzle, stronger upper mids (hyped right in the female vocal/violin range), rolled off bass very effectively creating the illusion of clarity (considering driver size and larger from factor): Get Yamaha
Get a sub for either. Or skip all this and buy a cheap guitar and decent headphones I guess.
The low end of the range sounded very different in the song starting at 8:30.
In Genelec, the bass sounded better. In contrast, the bass is not heard well on the Yamaha.
I thought the Yamaha HS5 needed a subwoofer for mastering applications.
as a genelec 8350 haver... the HS5 is exactly what I miss in presentation... this enhanced mid clutter that is present here it pushes music closer to you while I know this is a defect and you naturally lose some depth from the music, at the classical mood you can clearly hear that this "defective" mid sounds more energetic and mid texture is more apparent
Such small speakers like Genelec 8010 and 8020 works the best with their Subwoofer 7050
The Genelec's sounds boxy, while the Yamaha's sounds a bit hard on the high mids
I bought the 8010a ones for use when I travel originally as I have used the 8020a for years and they blew away the competition when I bought them in 2006. I am used to the sound. The 8020 Genelecs have more bottom end and really sound nice.
The Yamaha's have less bottom end generally and can be a bit harsh in the high frequencies but they give you more detail in that spectrum more than any other brand at that price range. As someone said they are more reference speakers more than main monitors in my opinion.
how the hell we suppose to se any difference on a UA-cam compressed video?!
Don't you hear differences? Duh..
It's not a scientific review but differences are differences. If you are familiar with the Hs5, it's easy to imagine how the genelec will sound like, based on the difference, that if you can hear it.
Genelec più calde, Yamaha più fredde, medio orribile... Genelec warmer, Yamaha colder, orribile medium...
Great comparision and really smooth switching between speakers!
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It Is interesting the bass test. The Yamaha shows a better response bellow 60 Hz, but the Genelec shows a better response in the range between 70 to 100 Hz that seems to be the one offering the better bass sensation in such a small speakers. Maybe the Yamaha’s should work better locating near a wall or even better in a corner that may help compensate this lack of bass in these frequency ranges.
Yes...at least somebody in this world understand the technology behind the hs5. Thats how they are supposed to be used . Hs5 were designed for the home studio owner which doesnt have too much bass traps so the speakers itself compensate for the lack of bass. In other words they use the room as bass compensation. I had them 5 years ago ...and never had any issues with bass until I decided to cover every corner of my room with bass traps. I did y research cuz I noticed the change in sound ....and found out they were supposed to be used with no room acoustics. Specially bass traps. But seems like nobody have spend some time researching before buying.
@@AudioReplica2023 no designed to make money from mugs
Why does genelec doesn’t sound good to me? Are my ears not working correctly?
At this point - you have to be deaf to not hear the winner xd
and that low end response at the end - hs5's are so chaotic and unstable its funny
I would love to hear the Genelec G Two, compared with G One and others...
Amazing channel :D
Genelec every day! But using a microphone to record sound from the speakers can't tell the full story. You have to here these Genelec's in person. It's the same as watching a chef on UA-cam making a delicious meal and expecting people to be able to taste it by liking the screen.
The midrange on the HS5 sounds horrible to me, and quite treble heavy too. I tried the HS8 from someone I know IRL and I feel like it was fine with EDM/Hip hop but when listening to rock, classical, and Jazz it just fell apart completely. Keep in mind the room wasn't near perfect but I get the feeling that it wasn't just me going crazy after now also having seen this video and hearing the same thing.
► Yams = music sounds "boxy," restrained, fake-ish.
► Gens = music sounds "settled," in the room. It's sitting right across the spectrum.
For a YT video test at 720p. You hear it with classical and jazz and vocals. And the bass tests also give a strange picture.
I owned the HS8 (a little beast), but due to moving I had to sell them and so got the HS5. Yes, room treatment is important to a degree, but still - I don't believe they are helping my mix, I don't want to have to fight near-fields. This is what brought me here. Grateful for the video and the comments!
People are saying the hs5s are better for classical? Probably they have never played a cello... Of course the true low end is not perceived by either speaker. The violin hype around 2/2.5kHz in my opinion is fatiguing. I own hs8s and just snagged these genelecs for nearfields. Calibrating the trim on both hs5s and 8010s for room compensation is a must for a new owner I think.
I bought Genelec 8010A (300$)and Yamaha HS5(200$) recently ,8010A is much better ,8010 has better ranger response, hs5 sounds like a sound box compare to 8010,and much bigger and heavier.
The Yamahas are like cheap car speakers, how can anyone like that tinny sound?
Is there a video on the HS7 versus the 8010A/G One B? I am on the fence between these two. I live in a an apartment so cannot have any deep bass. As long as there is some tight bass then Ill be happy. I am just used to listening via Sennheiser HD-660S headphones. Could stretch to the 8020D/G Two B.
I I have the I louds and genlecs and have mixed with the hs5s...... There's a reason I don't own the hs5s.... The genlecs are simply beautiful, true flat response. My I louds sound too extended at the top and not rounded enough at the lows..... The genlecs open your ears to a new world of audio. The Yamahas don't come anywhere close.... Its all down to your ear and how you soak them up....
Man those Genelecs sound incredible!
Yamahas sound lifeless like every other product of theirs.
If I would have to listen for a long time to these speakers, I would definitly choose the Genelec speakers. So much easier to lisen to and not ”in the face” sound. Easy choise.
хорошо звучат на моих s-30, 15АС-109, 15 АС-225 «Комета»... НО Ямаха правильнее басит из-за большего корпуса... и дешевле.
Yamaha clear and open sound.much better Yamaha
thank god I'm listening to this on my own pair of Genelec 8010A, I can't imagine how bad those HS5 would have sounded going through another pair of HS5
wow.. the comment section is actually fkn stupid. the Genelec cost 2x the price. not really a fair comparison..
While other speakers sounds like they are coming out of a speaker.genelec sounds like you are sitting in the middle of the musicians.
The 8010's sound more accurate. Upper bass, > 70 hz, the 8010's are louder, but < 70 hz, the HS5's are louder. Then at 50 hz, the 8010's fall off a cliff. That's the 8010's weakness. But they have 3" drivers, the HS5's are 5".
Hi excellent comparison indeed But i think that a correction with an equalizer could make the Yamaha sound pretty close to the Genelec
However i cannot say anything about 3d Soundstage I think that the Genelec could be superior for they wonderful cabinet A real marvel Thank you very much and kind regards Gino
I use rokit 5 g4, behringer truth 300 watt and tannoy reveal all have superb performance
Genelec just sounds 3 dimensional, thats the most important thing for mixing than sounding flat
Yamaha is sounding better genelec is sounding so near to ears are hurting
Still, #Yamahas're Among The Best Studio Monitors Today. & Remember It's All About The Producer/Mix Engineer To End Up With A Great Master 🙂
I'll Always Recommend The #Yamahas To Any Home/Pro Studio Owner Out There, Especially The Ones Serious Enough About Mixing 😐
generic
my mind is blown to hear that little genelec could beat HS 5. just how could it has such a fuller, broad sound from such a tiny body?yes Yamaha has better high in my opinion, but genelec has amazing sound presentation. but how could i judge through my crappy 104...
guess many people here have monitors so can clearly hear the diference. very nice :) would like to combine genelec with Schiit Modi Multibit
obviously they are not not the room filler vs any larger speaker at higher volumes :D
genelec holy shit.
genelac 8010A/iloud micro monitor/yamaha hs5/adama t5v
which one is better for mixing & mastering in music production?
none by hear of this
This channel is doing a great job , thanks
I own both, I love both
I think , there is no source music, it is a choosing a personal speaker preference rather than absolute comparison. :)
2 worlds, but I've got krk's for 2 years now :')
What is the name of the song that plays on Deep and at the end of the video??
Yamaha better. Gen is so booomy
Forever Yamaha. Beauty and economical.
Genelec for me... love it, might get a pair
Genelec sounds better, sound coming from iPhone
edifier mr4 vs genelec 8010 or 8020 please
How these small monitors with a 3" woofer can sound this good? what's the wizardry behind?
yeah funny how they just sound like your computers speaker
The Genelecs absolutely blow the Yamahas away
Everybody is gonna pick generic but what nobody notice is that generic are just smoothing the sound in the area of 2-3k which it makes it sound warm but at the same time is hiding some stuff right there ....and thats a very sensible area for the human ear. To my taste generic sounds too hyped around 100hz and 12 kHz...which unfortunately is what draws the consumer to get them. Hs5 were designed for the home studio owner which doesnt have too much bass traps so the speakers itself compensate for the lack of bass. In other words they use the room as bass compensation. I had them 5 years ago ...and never had any issues with bass until I decided to cover every corner of my room with bass traps. I did y research cuz I noticed the change in sound ....and found out they were supposed to be used with no room acoustics. Specially bass traps. But seems like nobody have spend some time researching before buying.
The genelec sounds bettee to me...but tge yamaha ones arent the HS8 or HS80M
Genelec 👍👁🥂
function matters, not size. : )) Forever GENELEC!