Really liked that this wasn’t a video trashing Ali, but rather showing a very unbiased overview of the process. There’s so much post production that’s getting outsourced these days. I think whether it’s quality or not this is something that’s going to continue but I think it also helps with bringing up the talent from around the world (which is what you’re doing here clearly).
Indeed, I half expected some ivory tower rant about half assed work for too little money destroys the industry and the "don't blame the market, blame the people" kind. But it was suprisingly free of ideologic preachings and healthily aware of a certain less art-driven segment of the market.
In our countries that kind of work is not valued, and there is no hiring, so we find a lot of competition, so we end up charging less... In our country big companies even ask it for free (for recognition), and since some of us has our own projects we just see this kind of not well paid jobs to make a little of money out of our skills, in order to have time to keep on doing what we like. Here "normal jobs" pays that, 15 bucks for two days of work, 12 hours of work a day... And still is hard to find jobs. Leaving is the same expensive as in rich countries, but we are used to live with less. Here I am offering photography sessions for 10 bucks haha :/ and still hard to get people to pay you. So offering editing for first world people is a good choice, they have the money to pay it, here is not like something useful, people don't have money to spend on that, so we are up offering our service to outsiders. 15 bucks seems like a little, but is better than nothing... There is no space for art in our country, no winning, no glory, we do it just for love.
He could have easily scrambled up the videos, and worst he could have poached other content - at the end you could say that he made an almost perfect omelet
This is great because it gets Ali exposure to working on professional projects and get used to making small business transactions. Lucky for him he found someone who knows video editing.
That's common here in the Philippines to get low rates. You're lucky if they even pay you for it nor get your services. The worst of it all is when they ask you for free services then if you don't give them what they want(which is just basically a greatly edited and polished video for free) they'll heavily criticize you not only on your rates but on your skills and stuff that would tear your soul into pieces.🙃 :') I need help...
Law of attraction If he didn’t have a low price, you wouldn’t have noticed him. Now that you have seen the value in his skill, he can increase his price on extra work or give him a tip to show your appreciation. He may editing videos because it’s his hobby and something fun to do. Great video 👍🏾
You're being naive. "Ali" is already charging inside the going rate for basic cutting socials. $1-$5/minute of final video for socials are a dime a dozen online. These aren't highly polished works, they're quick and dirty edits that cut your teeth into the industry where the results don't really matter too much. "Ali" is sending email spam and uses "we" to refer to anything "Ali" is offering or can do. That tells us that "Ali" works with a group, that there is a reasonable chance "Ali" is a fictitious identity for the group and their business model is all about quantity. It is also important to consider the well known email scam, where the scammer offers a service of some kind unsolicited. They deliver on the first uptake, then ask for more money on the second offering but deliver nothing.
1. As someone said Ali is probably just getting started. 2. He probably lives in a country where you make very little money for hard arduous physical labor, so editing is EASY compared to that. 3. Also, US Dollars probably convert to a lot more purchasing power in whatever country he resides. 4. Ali was also very astute to tap into a thriving higher paying market. So, for easier, non-physical work he is probably making much more than just “a few bucks”. He makes much more than he would make working his ass off and is dramatically increasing his wealth for way less effort in an easier way... Looks like we are seeing the potential future of rough/mass editing with quicker turn-arounds. Good luck.... You’ve been warned.
i got paid $100 for my first job with no experience. And regardless of living situation, the important thing is the value of the work, not whether someone is happy with what they're paid (or not paid)
Yeah but what does that mean? That our work will have to abide to these prices? I mean that is still insane. It's not even like let's say 2 dollars an hour which in itself is a joke already but of a final video output. I mean imagine you bombard me with 50 hours worth of footage and you want me to make a 1 miunte video for that? How does that ad up? You will need alone 3 to f´4 days just visioning the whole footage. I'm sorry but this is barbaric and he does destroy the prices. Even if he lives in the backyard of Mongolia, you don't know that... He could still charge a minimum wage for like in L.A. or even only half the price and whe would be fucking rich in his country. I Say no. this actually really dumpens price rates and maybe greedy companies will take advantage of exactly that and would like to hire everyone at that price. Maybe I might be wrong but still...
as someone that does exactly that, yeah. It sucks sometimes because you know you should value your work more and such, but people that don't know about editing do not really think about it and are inclined to pay for it.
@@neenlancaster yeah, it's tough when you're in a place in the market where you're selling to consumers who don't know anything about the industry, but know what they're prepared to pay.
Even if he’s starting out that’s not an excuse for this low price, absolutely ridiculous... I mean I wouldn’t even open a timeline in premiere for this price.
So mature, no insecurities, just an honest assessment! People like you are the pinnacle of the professional world. Keep it going, really impressed by you!
I'd LOVE to see you interview this editor! If he's churning out something that good for that cheap, is it because he's passionate about editing? Is he using it as a way of making a living while improving his skills in hopes of getting a more substantial editing job? Interviewing him could also be a unique format for you doing a Tips for Editors video, where the tips are whatever ones you end up giving to him.
It's so important to have a price for revisions. That is something I learned the hard way. You need to be able to protect yourself in the business, sometimes a client might give you a full list of notes or make you revamp the whole project, which costs you a lot of time, which in turn means you're losing revenue. This is how I learned how to handle prizing at SRP. We first take a look at the project as a whole and give the client a offer price. After we've made a version of the video, we ask the client for their opinion, and they are entitled to 2 free rounds of changes after which a hourly wage is added. I had this client that I was making a project for that was supposed to be on the cheap end of our prizes, at the lowest price we offer. Ended up working a week on that video, that does not cover a trip to the grocery store after taxes.
Good for Ali! It looks like he’s going through the paces of proving his ability to turn around well done work, as you say Sven, “Good enough”. Good business advice that as he gets busy, he can choose clients who are willing to pay more for his time. I’d like to see how Ali grows in his editing skills and how he manages the business side of the profession. Hire him, Sven!
It's evident that Ali has some talent. However, he is doing himself a disservice and is doing harm to the industry in general. Those in the graphics arts (design) are struggling with the same problem. Oh, the stories I could tell you about my struggles as a filmmaker and graphic designer with these "Fiverr" types. Many were the occasions where I would lose the job to someone like Ali. A few weeks later, I'd receive another phone call from the client asking me to "fix" what the Fiverr person had done. Often, much of my business was from such clients needing their projects "fixed." It seemed there was always time and money to do it over, but never the time and money to do it right the first time. Retirement has its benefits. NOTE: Talking about fees, I always charged double if the client wanted to look over my shoulder in post. It always worked. It saved me a great deal of time and the client a great deal of money.
the argument that it harms the industry is false, the type of people hiring Fiverr types are usually independent and don't make much money themselves or can't find people in their area. Plus it is very hit or miss as to the quality of work, usually its the only chance to build a portfolio. That said, every job should increase the income and portfolio until eventually you are appealing to proper paying jobs. Are they underpaid and undervalued, even the crap ones? Certainly. But they are so far off the radar of the industry as a whole that it doesn't make a difference. What makes a difference is pay disputes in the actual industry proper, not low paid freelancers working for other low/medium paid freelancers
and regardless of feelings towards this business model (if you can call it that), don't blame individuals for trying to make a few bucks and build a portfolio, blame the bosses at the production companies that make working in the industry nonviable for so many
Harm to the industry WHAAAAT lol, 15 year old Ali just got paid 15 dollars and a pro critique, he also just broke the industry. Rubbish, when people want quality they pay it, if the want a 15 dollar edit they pay it. Then pay more to get it fixed when they actually wanted a quality edit.
Man this guy Ali reminds me when i first started this major, honestly his editing was decent but his pricing is very low even I when i was a beginner i used to charge 40$ per hour or per session then when i started to edit weddings i went from 40$ per hour to 120$ per camera which was also cheap but 2$ per footage time c'mon man Ali if you are reading this you are a good editor my friend and i'm sure you love your work but never say that editing can be boring, editing is never boring but it can be frustrating sometimes From my 11 years experience as an editor i can tell that you got something in there, but you need to know your worth and it is definitely NOT a 2$ per footage time And honestly when i first started watching this video i thought Sven is going to bash his work, but his reaction was genuine and he was honest and humble for a professional editor. Cheers!
@@TrueWindTV He's kind enough to promote so Ali gets more reasonable pay, and I respect that. I wouldn't have bring up his name or contact, because I don't know if $2 is what he really charges for work, or simply to get my attention. Sorry to sound like a cold hearted bitch but some people do that. I only recommend to people those whom I work regularly and maintain a good reputation.
I make digital portrait illustrations for people and charge 20$ for one portrait. I've seen people of same skill as me charge 80 - 100$ for one single portrait! I'd love to raise my charges but I'm too scared that if i do, I'll lose a potential client. That's why i even do free revisions. As a freelancer whose just starting up, i need that work, i need that money.. even if its 8$ for a portrait, I'll honestly take it. That's how desperate i am. And at this point i can feel Ali. He needs that work. Good luck Ali! 🙌🏽
Plot twist: Ali is a chicken connoisseur and was underwhelmed by your chicken footage so he didn’t give you his best work thinking you were also an amateur editor. lol
Thank you for this: it's lovely that you took time to make a sensitive video which highlights the inequity - it would have been easy to mock, but you are so constructive. A wonderfully positive and informative episode, as always! I would love to see an interview/advice episode (as others have mentioned) with Ali and see how you could help him to achieve the edit that maybe you would have put together. Keep up the fantastic work.
Wow. That was surprising and fascinating. I have a feeling that there are people in India (or some other country) who can edit like speedy gonzales and a Dollar will go a long way for them in their situation. But they don't have lots of people offering them rates anywhere close to US editing CPM so they take as much as they can get.
"PERFECT is the enemy of GOOD ENOUGH". Most of my little videos I upload to UA-cam now I try to get it done in one session, because I have better tools, know what I'm doing, etc but also when you fiddle for something for too long you can ruin it. And also, sometimes the thing you're working on, "perfection" would be too much, the aesthetic of "good enough" is actually more appropriate. The hand-made feel of the internet is getting lost amongst all the polish.
Twist: Ali made this video. And if he did - he forgot to extend the adjustment layer or color grading right before the 7:50 mark. Your face goes green for a second. On the quick jump cut. If I’m wrong, I’ll edit your video for 50 cents for every 10 minutes of footage.
I'm just starting to learn video editing (self-teaching), and I learned more about editing from this video than from hours of instructional videos here on youTube.
Good point. There are already some apps out there that are pretty amazing with removing issues and “fixing”things. Especially in the vocal realm. Like removing “ums” and “uhs”.
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At least 5 years. Defining the objects in a video correctly is not that easy as you might think
@ Oh, I once thought it could not happen, but deep learning opened a bunch of new doors. There might be some hoops to jump through, like describing each scene in the footage to simplify recognition or sorting the footage to delete unusable parts early in the process, but some of the things possible seemed like the unrealistic kind of scifi just five years ago.
How he pulls what off? Living off $15 a day? Asking him something like that would be incredibly rude and disrespectful. I'm sure Ali is doing better than a lot of us mentally, spiritually, and probably physically as well .
@@lo-fiempath6964 I really don’t know why it would be rude I live in a third world country where life is way cheaper than in the US but even then those prices are not enough to live on… by far. I don’t know anything about Ali I’m not sure of anything about his life but I didn’t mean to be challenging I’m just curious.
I think its a good way to get your foot in the door and in front of clients. It's a good way to build a small portfolio of work to show case to newer clients. But $2.00 in the US is clearly not survivable. I also would not change for 2 minutes of finished product. Their may be lots of editing just to get a minute or two. Imagine if there is stop motion, vfx, and sound mixed design. He needs to be clear that it's simple and basic editing with cuts. The thumbnail is a great upsell but I would not charge for it at that price. I would simply give it away complimentary. He should also allow donations, contributions for his future work, or tips. What he looses in the front he can make up for in the back end. Once he builds up his portfolio and his demand increases he should start charging more. I don't think there is anything wrong with $2.00 for a short video. Creators know they are not going to live off of it. However, If used properly it can break you though the door to get some clients. You can work for free and have full creative control, but working for a small pay is good for learning how to work with money transactions, contracts, upselling, invoices, budgeting, and other things without worrying about something going wrong for both parties. It sets low expectations but for many it's work a shot here and there. The fight that it undercuts the professional video editor and designers is not true at all. Your work is based on the demand of your services and someone has to do it while keeping their business in operation. It's a way more designers can get started without investing too much too early. There may be some people who will pour their hearts out into their work for free. And they have every right to do so. And these editors should be treated with some gratitude rather than hostility. They know they can't survive off of extremely low prices or even free. It may be a hobby for them. But, highly demanded editors will be targeted by high paid professionals with large expectations. However what he should charge for is for any purchases he makes for your project such as if he purchases music, fonts, images, rentals, etc. His service is free or low charge. In terms of revisions it should be in his best interest to charge for revisions as a good practice for getting payed properly for his time / work. Or upfront offer 1 or 2 free revisions for small changes. It's a bad practice not to charge for these or sign off for the work performed up to a certain point. As he continues more work in the future he can start pricing his work at a more reasonable rate that works well for his business. Think of it this way. Instead of him paying for advertisement, he is paying for his own time and work through demonstration. The $2.00 is a learning tool for business transactions. It's not expected to last forever. Eventually, he will raise his prices, stop working, or do it as a hobby.
@@galeofdusk it does change something, I don't like when my country is called third world, like some kind of garbage. ...at-least I can drink my tap-water and don't have to see 150000 homeless people... asshole
How I started in VO work. I was willing to take about any job. Experience is a “cheap” but invaluable education. Now I won’t touch a low pay job. Not because I can’t do it. But I know there is a person out there that needs the experience and they’ll possibly put their heart and soul into it. Salad days. Cutting your teeth. Paying your dues. What ever you want to call it. It’s a precious time in your career for learning and building your character. I think it’s awesome how you’re working with Ari. It’s almost like you’re a secret coach.
Appreciate this comment. Paying your dues is certainly one of the best ways to get your start. Just realize many good clients are willing to pay you a fair rate once they know you and realize that they can count on you to deliver quality on time with great communication.
@@ThisGuyEdits totally agree. AND! One thing I forgot to mention is building a portfolio. Having that important “track record” of previous work is also a big help.
It’s insane. Photographers have known this pain for a while. So many people undercutting. Luckily much of the work can’t be done remotely like editing.
Undercutting is in almost every industry in different ways. Business wont last for long if you charge below your expenses. You use it as a tool as advertising your work, demonstrations, building relations with clients, learning, and practicing or testing new ideas or concepts, gathering market data, and, building your portfolio. If you mess up on something, it's not a major loss to you or your client since the value exchange is minimal. But doing this for long term will either turn into a hobby, or will not be sustained once the funds run out. Some businesses offer low upfront prices on some services and make money through other backend means. An example is company that makes real-estate videos for $50 using actually professionals with quality gear. But they are also paying subscriptions for listing their real estate on their website and charge larger fees for that. The fees will compensate for the editing dues.
@@EvilDogFilmsOfficial i fail to see how even preCovid the artistic choice on such a name was made. Seems so utterly inappropriate. I know what you're thinking..this guy is losing sleep over someone's choice of name and need he to pill chill. Yes i'm taking one now :)
I kind of understand… it’s like calling something “viral”. Don’t see much difference. But yeah, would’ve changed the name after an actual epidemic broke out like avid changed ISIS to NEXIS a couple years back 🤣
The version after your notes were really good, The first pass was nice also... especially since that was $12. As a side note, nothing stops you from paying him more, I feel that $12 is pretty low also. Chances are that money helps him out and is meaningful to him and his family, but if its worth more than he charges, I don't think it would be wrong to pay a few bucks more. Its likely he would be able to spend a little more time also and get closer to the the +90% perfect or at least reduce more of the time you need to put in. A Win / Win for you both.
Do market research? Have so many customers that you have to dismiss new customers and realize you could higher your rates. Have a tax consultant. Have business friends.... It's not the job of a customer.
Ali's work is worth whatever he wants it to be. For now he is eating up the cost of work which is buying himself demonstrations and access to some clients. It gets his foot in the door. Their is only a limited amount of time until his own funds run out. So from now to then he can practice his work, use this opportunity to gather clients, improve his work and figure out a pricing solution that can fit his expenses.
This happens too often on youtube. I have a friend who was editing 30 minute gaming videos for $10/video. I talked him into raising his rate to the client because he was basically making nothing for his time and the client got upset and immediately dropped him. It's astounding to me that this is the going rate in certain online communities for editors which is why it's so important to *know the value of your time/equipment* and get the clients who are vested enough in their content and message to pay you for it with a smile :)
Yes keep him hired. Great work from Ali. I agree with the pricing, it should be more. I edit in Premiere Pro myself and fully understand the time involved.
I am glad Ali does great work. I am concerned for the low pricing. Especially when videographers with a higher cost of living cannot compete with such low pricing. I will charge $75 and hour for editing at my lowest rate so there is no competing with him.
no se que decir, es jodidamente triste, la única palabra que tengo en la mente es frustración, tantos años dedicados a estudiar, invertir en libros, en cursos y en un equipo decente para trabajar y no poder cobrar una suma decente porque hay gente que regala el trabajo, frustrante.
Tristemente, esto es producto de un mundo global dónde no hay regulaciónes y protecciónes para los trabajadores, especialmente los trabajadores en las artes. Por un lado, el amigo no está haciendo el dinero que se merece--pero por otro lado es posible que solamente quiere darle de comer a su familia en un país más pobre que el tuyo.
@@jamjox9922 mi critica no es al tipo sino al sistema que obliga a las personas a trabajar posiblemente solo para lograr comer, y no permite que las personas logren alcanzar un nivel de vida digno
u know how painful editing is, painful not to edit but to make the directors and producers satisfy, so please pay him good amount thinking urself in his shoes. thanks and good work as a beginner
My view (having tried to make a living from photography and videography for nearly 40 years is that Ali will benefit from your notes on his editing, but especially from your advice on charging for his work. An experienced professional, such as yourself, is best placed to suggest how and what to charge to neophytes to the profession and this is often the most practical advice they need.
And if you're serious, I will send you a copy of cs5 or 6 idk which one I have. But it has the product key and you can have it if you know some people that can use it. Email me 93filmsandmedia@gmail.com
Double plot twist. Ali isn't actually a real person but instead it's a fictional person played* by whoever is around to check email at that moment and the currency exchange rate into local currency means the $12USD is a local equivalent of $150
Ok but this brings up so many questions. One, why do you put fake eggs in the hen house? Two, do you eat 5 to 6 eggs a day? And three, chickens “bark”?
He probably lives in a country that is passing through inflation. I live in lebanon and this year i earn 80% less than before because our currency lost its value against the dollar.
I'm lebanese too but i wanna ask how's editing in lebanon? even when the dollar was 1500lira editing was kinda cheap in lebanon so how's that profession holding up now?
Absolutely insane. That's basically free. But at the same time, if he wants to get started as a YT video editor, this would be a great way to build up some sort of portfolio to show future clients. Personally, not the way I'd start, but if he's good at it and is super timely, why not? I also love and appreciate your openness to the offer from Ali. And even funnier that his first response back ended up in the junk mail. haha
That's CRAZY LOW. Ali probably lives in a country where life is cheap and work may be hard to find, but still, it's incredibly cheap for the work he's done for Sven. I was impressed by his editing, since I was expecting something awfully bad. But as an editor who values my craft, I would never hire Ali, or I'd pay him a lot more than what he's asking.
I had a "similar" experience recently. I hired somebody who offered me a very low price for a small motion graphics job. The experience was not as nice as Sven had (not addressing all my notes, sending me cuts with new issues, slow communication) but at the end it was good enough. By then I was ready to give the guy more (bc it was still a low price) but when I asked for a small change (after the final revision version) he refused. So, at the end I paid what he asked for from the beginning. And funny thing, 5 days later I needed another change and he stopped answering my messages even though he said he wanted to work with me again 🤪
on average yes, but imagine if he could get work over the internet that paid properly, it could totally transform his life if thats the situation he's in. just because one might be used to working for little, doesn't mean they deserve to. especially when it's over the internet, the potential client base is so much higher.
@@ashitsahu8949 It's a side effect of global internet economy. Unfortunate part is he/she would be cutting the prices in the global market. Monthly rent in Bangladesh might be around $50-100 but it's $2000-3000 in New York. It's impossible to do these gigs and survive in the 1st world.
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I actually have had chickens and some experience with them...and I'm going to check out your chicken channel, because I learned from my experience with chickens that I prolly need to learn more. Sounds like a great channel, how do we find it?
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I was impressed at Ali's editing, especially so for the first draft. it was decently done with minimal supervision and notes. Maybe USD 15 is cheap but it can convert nicely to some currency (~Rs 1000 , ~IDR 200,000 ) which would be about a week's to a month's worth of food on the table. But you're right, he can get more, but he needs someone from a land of strong currency to support it since it may be hard to find job in his place.
Princing is always tricky. But just imagine that when you are working remotely, you may be dealing with people from all over the world. And in different parts of the world, money has different value. I'm from Brazil, where US$ 1 dollar is currently valued at R$ 5. I wouldn't mind having lower rates because the dollar is worth more for me then for an american or european. Imagine in poorer countries such as in Central America, sub saharian Africa or Southeast Asia. Maybe one dollar to them could provide food for their whole family for the day.
I started teaching English online a few months ago, and I had a start off at crazy low prices so I could get reviews and more experience. As I got busier, I've also raised my price. A friend started teaching at the same time as me but set a high price right from the start still only has a fraction of the students and no reviews yet. Sometimes a you gotta do what you gotta do when you're new.
You know some people can't afford high prices for editing like people who are just starting a youtube channel on a tight budget so thank God for editors like Ali who charge reasonable prices.
This was amazing lol I think you should hire or keep working with him. He clearly knows his craft, of course could bee better but obviously has the potential to do so. I see the humbleness solely off of not charging for the revisions after receiving notes. Wow. I would've left him a nice tip for that lol
I used to cut livestream highlight videos for $15 per video. I'd skim through the stream generally about 7-10 hours long and cut together the best bits, add motion graphics, sound design, and music. Don't get me wrong, that's way too low a price, but I actually learned a lot and it was my first client so I wouldn't say I regret it. But there's no way I'd still work for that price nowadays.
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Thank you for the encouragement not only for Ali, but for those just starting out and lacking confidence.
This is ABSOLUTELY insane. Talk about the Race to Zero. Wow. Question for you: What is the value, for you, of an edit of this video that's 80% there? What is the MOST you would pay for Ali's work?
You advice on pay strategies and workload is gem for me. Am putting it into practice ASAP. I have a backlog of videos to edit from personal to clients and it's getting chaos for me. Upping prices will at least sort out some stuffs. Thanks for the tips.
He did a good job imho. Id have done about the same but audio a bit better and immersive. Also, I know quite a few starting editors willing to work for crumbs to get started and to get 'in' with great clients like yourself! All in all, good job Ali. I hope you can keep him busy.
Nice and honest review and opinion from a Pro Editor. That is globalization, we have had the same in the IT industry for the last 20 years or so: to cut labor costs everything outsourced offshore where life daily cost is between 1~5$/day. At first you feel cheated ... betraid ...but then you realize you can actually benefit from it, and focus on other tasks. I am not against this, as long as we have win win situation.
Loved your unbiased, open look at this. On the other hand, it seems like we are all part of the race to the bottom in the creative industries. Including the incredibly affordable stock music library you are promoting. I wonder how much the musicians who feed that machine are making per minute of original music?
I was thinking "$2 a minute, that's $120 an hour, not a bad earner". Until I realised he meant per minute of FOOTAGE
Same 😂
Me too.
It's 2mins of footage cost 2dollar not 2 dollar per min.
Yeah I was like $120 is low?? Dang. I need to charge more. 😬 And then I was like. Oh.
It's worse. It's not a minute of footage but of a final edit.
Really liked that this wasn’t a video trashing Ali, but rather showing a very unbiased overview of the process.
There’s so much post production that’s getting outsourced these days. I think whether it’s quality or not this is something that’s going to continue but I think it also helps with bringing up the talent from around the world (which is what you’re doing here clearly).
Indeed, I half expected some ivory tower rant about half assed work for too little money destroys the industry and the "don't blame the market, blame the people" kind. But it was suprisingly free of ideologic preachings and healthily aware of a certain less art-driven segment of the market.
I feel happy for Ali
Could you just get an interview of Ali? Cause it would be interesting to know more about his reasoning behind why he has a low price
I want the same thing
Like a business development consulting session with tge so Ali can charge more
He can do a lot with less money in his land.
Currency bro. 10$ is not that bad in a lot of countries.
In our countries that kind of work is not valued, and there is no hiring, so we find a lot of competition, so we end up charging less... In our country big companies even ask it for free (for recognition), and since some of us has our own projects we just see this kind of not well paid jobs to make a little of money out of our skills, in order to have time to keep on doing what we like.
Here "normal jobs" pays that, 15 bucks for two days of work, 12 hours of work a day... And still is hard to find jobs.
Leaving is the same expensive as in rich countries, but we are used to live with less.
Here I am offering photography sessions for 10 bucks haha :/ and still hard to get people to pay you. So offering editing for first world people is a good choice, they have the money to pay it, here is not like something useful, people don't have money to spend on that, so we are up offering our service to outsiders.
15 bucks seems like a little, but is better than nothing... There is no space for art in our country, no winning, no glory, we do it just for love.
This is egg-cellent, he didn't chicken out, laid down a good first edit.
Haha dude🤣
And worked for chicken feed.
LOL. Noice!
Worked for a company that took a huge bridge job knowing they would lose money.. they took it to have this huge national job there resume 😉
He could have easily scrambled up the videos, and worst he could have poached other content - at the end you could say that he made an almost perfect omelet
Ali is so smart. He's getting one-on-one tutoring from a seasoned industry professional, and *he's* getting paid for it. :D
Facts
I believe that's called an Apprenticeship
🤔
This is great because it gets Ali exposure to working on professional projects and get used to making small business transactions. Lucky for him he found someone who knows video editing.
Galaxy brain
Basically this video is sponsored by Ali
😂
hahahahah
Hahahahahaha
😂😂😂😂
Haha.
he is a good editor as per the charge... good Job ALI👍👍
That's common here in the Philippines to get low rates. You're lucky if they even pay you for it nor get your services. The worst of it all is when they ask you for free services then if you don't give them what they want(which is just basically a greatly edited and polished video for free) they'll heavily criticize you not only on your rates but on your skills and stuff that would tear your soul into pieces.🙃 :')
I need help...
@@paulveitch5870 which kind of help do you need? Tell me
Law of attraction
If he didn’t have a low price, you wouldn’t have noticed him. Now that you have seen the value in his skill, he can increase his price on extra work or give him a tip to show your appreciation. He may editing videos because it’s his hobby and something fun to do.
Great video 👍🏾
what is law of attraction?
what bothers me is that ali didn't make it seem that it's fun to to. Hence his first email.
You're being naive.
"Ali" is already charging inside the going rate for basic cutting socials. $1-$5/minute of final video for socials are a dime a dozen online. These aren't highly polished works, they're quick and dirty edits that cut your teeth into the industry where the results don't really matter too much.
"Ali" is sending email spam and uses "we" to refer to anything "Ali" is offering or can do. That tells us that "Ali" works with a group, that there is a reasonable chance "Ali" is a fictitious identity for the group and their business model is all about quantity.
It is also important to consider the well known email scam, where the scammer offers a service of some kind unsolicited. They deliver on the first uptake, then ask for more money on the second offering but deliver nothing.
gaytraction
1. As someone said Ali is probably just getting started.
2. He probably lives in a country where you make very little money for hard arduous physical labor, so editing is EASY compared to that.
3. Also, US Dollars probably convert to a lot more purchasing power in whatever country he resides.
4. Ali was also very astute to tap into a thriving higher paying market.
So, for easier, non-physical work he is probably making much more than just “a few bucks”. He makes much more than he would make working his ass off and is dramatically increasing his wealth for way less effort in an easier way...
Looks like we are seeing the potential future of rough/mass editing with quicker turn-arounds.
Good luck.... You’ve been warned.
i got paid $100 for my first job with no experience.
And regardless of living situation, the important thing is the value of the work, not whether someone is happy with what they're paid (or not paid)
@@Haldered But business transactions can only occur if the parties mutually agree as to a value of the goods/services that are exchanged.
Yup true . . .in India, You can have Lunch for $1.5 in Rural areas.
Probably this
Yeah but what does that mean? That our work will have to abide to these prices? I mean that is still insane. It's not even like let's say 2 dollars an hour which in itself is a joke already but of a final video output. I mean imagine you bombard me with 50 hours worth of footage and you want me to make a 1 miunte video for that? How does that ad up? You will need alone 3 to f´4 days just visioning the whole footage.
I'm sorry but this is barbaric and he does destroy the prices. Even if he lives in the backyard of Mongolia, you don't know that... He could still charge a minimum wage for like in L.A. or even only half the price and whe would be fucking rich in his country. I Say no. this actually really dumpens price rates and maybe greedy companies will take advantage of exactly that and would like to hire everyone at that price.
Maybe I might be wrong but still...
I think he's just starting and he's struggling to find customers that's why he's working for that low price.
as someone that does exactly that, yeah. It sucks sometimes because you know you should value your work more and such, but people that don't know about editing do not really think about it and are inclined to pay for it.
@@neenlancaster yeah, it's tough when you're in a place in the market where you're selling to consumers who don't know anything about the industry, but know what they're prepared to pay.
@@neenlancaster thats a reality
Even if he’s starting out that’s not an excuse for this low price, absolutely ridiculous... I mean I wouldn’t even open a timeline in premiere for this price.
He worked for two days straight for 15$, you can do more than that for one-two hours at minimum wage job. Completely not worth it
This is why all these youtubers have editors now
It's based on supply and demand. More people have access to the tools now and can offer their service.
yeah they get 1000 dollars a day with their videos and pay the editor 50 dollars and it gets the job done haha
So mature, no insecurities, just an honest assessment! People like you are the pinnacle of the professional world. Keep it going, really impressed by you!
I feel like if you keep hiring Ali and giving feedback (and they see these videos) then they will get better and better. You’ll be like a mentor
Haha, Ali will end up winning an Oscar and thanking Sven.
You never know someone's situation. You may have helped him out of a jam.
Andrew Henriques or possibly two jams.
That cost$7.50 each lol okay
@@markkilby2012 Hahaha you made me laugh out loud at this.
How many problems do you think one can solve when you trade in 2 days for 15 bucks?
But where in the world does this money go far? maybe in Pakistan?
$2 is like 150 Rupees, that's about 18 eggs in India.
That’s 35 eggs in Tunisia lol
It's 4-10 in Germany
@@Fotounternehmer 17 eggs in Kenya
And 15 eggs in Turkey
It’s about 7 organic eggs, 8 from a farmer directly or 12-16 from a supermarket in the Czech Republic.
I'd LOVE to see you interview this editor!
If he's churning out something that good for that cheap, is it because he's passionate about editing? Is he using it as a way of making a living while improving his skills in hopes of getting a more substantial editing job?
Interviewing him could also be a unique format for you doing a Tips for Editors video, where the tips are whatever ones you end up giving to him.
Maybe one day!
Be careful what you wish for. I wouldn't be surprised if we find a guy in a depressing situation.
My God id be so frustrated to have to edit that terribly shot footage. Honestly he did a damn good job
It's so important to have a price for revisions. That is something I learned the hard way.
You need to be able to protect yourself in the business, sometimes a client might give you a full list of notes or make you revamp the whole project, which costs you a lot of time, which in turn means you're losing revenue.
This is how I learned how to handle prizing at SRP. We first take a look at the project as a whole and give the client a offer price. After we've made a version of the video, we ask the client for their opinion, and they are entitled to 2 free rounds of changes after which a hourly wage is added.
I had this client that I was making a project for that was supposed to be on the cheap end of our prizes, at the lowest price we offer. Ended up working a week on that video, that does not cover a trip to the grocery store after taxes.
Good for Ali! It looks like he’s going through the paces of proving his ability to turn around well done work, as you say Sven, “Good enough”. Good business advice that as he gets busy, he can choose clients who are willing to pay more for his time. I’d like to see how Ali grows in his editing skills and how he manages the business side of the profession. Hire him, Sven!
It's evident that Ali has some talent. However, he is doing himself a disservice and is doing harm to the industry in general. Those in the graphics arts (design) are struggling with the same problem. Oh, the stories I could tell you about my struggles as a filmmaker and graphic designer with these "Fiverr" types. Many were the occasions where I would lose the job to someone like Ali. A few weeks later, I'd receive another phone call from the client asking me to "fix" what the Fiverr person had done. Often, much of my business was from such clients needing their projects "fixed." It seemed there was always time and money to do it over, but never the time and money to do it right the first time. Retirement has its benefits.
NOTE: Talking about fees, I always charged double if the client wanted to look over my shoulder in post. It always worked. It saved me a great deal of time and the client a great deal of money.
That note, does it usually go over well? It seems like a great idea, but for someone who's AFAB and in my 20s it's a bit daunting.
@@InvisiblerApple I should have said, "You're mileage may vary."
the argument that it harms the industry is false, the type of people hiring Fiverr types are usually independent and don't make much money themselves or can't find people in their area. Plus it is very hit or miss as to the quality of work, usually its the only chance to build a portfolio.
That said, every job should increase the income and portfolio until eventually you are appealing to proper paying jobs.
Are they underpaid and undervalued, even the crap ones? Certainly. But they are so far off the radar of the industry as a whole that it doesn't make a difference.
What makes a difference is pay disputes in the actual industry proper, not low paid freelancers working for other low/medium paid freelancers
and regardless of feelings towards this business model (if you can call it that), don't blame individuals for trying to make a few bucks and build a portfolio, blame the bosses at the production companies that make working in the industry nonviable for so many
Harm to the industry WHAAAAT lol, 15 year old Ali just got paid 15 dollars and a pro critique, he also just broke the industry. Rubbish, when people want quality they pay it, if the want a 15 dollar edit they pay it. Then pay more to get it fixed when they actually wanted a quality edit.
Dude is talking about video with chickens: “Is it perfect? No.” 😅😂😂
I remember before I start my youtube channel, I was UA-camr editor, my fee from 0$ you can call "Thank you" to 60$
Man this guy Ali reminds me when i first started this major, honestly his editing was decent but his pricing is very low even I when i was a beginner i used to charge 40$ per hour or per session then when i started to edit weddings i went from 40$ per hour to 120$ per camera which was also cheap but 2$ per footage time c'mon man
Ali if you are reading this you are a good editor my friend and i'm sure you love your work but never say that editing can be boring, editing is never boring but it can be frustrating sometimes
From my 11 years experience as an editor i can tell that you got something in there, but you need to know your worth and it is definitely NOT a 2$ per footage time
And honestly when i first started watching this video i thought Sven is going to bash his work, but his reaction was genuine and he was honest and humble for a professional editor.
Cheers!
What you didn't realize is that Ali just got free internet advertising out of you and charged you 15 bucks for it!
xD
He kinda did no? That's why he mentioned that he's gonna help him out since he is working for peanuts 💔😭
@@TrueWindTV He's kind enough to promote so Ali gets more reasonable pay, and I respect that. I wouldn't have bring up his name or contact, because I don't know if $2 is what he really charges for work, or simply to get my attention. Sorry to sound like a cold hearted bitch but some people do that. I only recommend to people those whom I work regularly and maintain a good reputation.
You mean he got payed with exposure~
@@AboveTheTrees00 thank you, I guess
This video is sponsored by epidemic sou-
No.
This video is sponsored by Ali.
I make digital portrait illustrations for people and charge 20$ for one portrait. I've seen people of same skill as me charge 80 - 100$ for one single portrait! I'd love to raise my charges but I'm too scared that if i do, I'll lose a potential client. That's why i even do free revisions. As a freelancer whose just starting up, i need that work, i need that money.. even if its 8$ for a portrait, I'll honestly take it. That's how desperate i am. And at this point i can feel Ali. He needs that work. Good luck Ali! 🙌🏽
Plot twist: Ali is a chicken connoisseur and was underwhelmed by your chicken footage so he didn’t give you his best work thinking you were also an amateur editor. lol
I love you. You're everything in the world for writing this comment. In a different life babe. I'll find you 💕😍
Came in expecting a smackdown, came away with newfound respect for the hard work, hustle and smarts of Ali and folks like him
It's all fun and games until A.I. enters the conversation.
Thank you for this: it's lovely that you took time to make a sensitive video which highlights the inequity - it would have been easy to mock, but you are so constructive. A wonderfully positive and informative episode, as always!
I would love to see an interview/advice episode (as others have mentioned) with Ali and see how you could help him to achieve the edit that maybe you would have put together. Keep up the fantastic work.
Wow. That was surprising and fascinating. I have a feeling that there are people in India (or some other country) who can edit like speedy gonzales and a Dollar will go a long way for them in their situation. But they don't have lots of people offering them rates anywhere close to US editing CPM so they take as much as they can get.
"PERFECT is the enemy of GOOD ENOUGH". Most of my little videos I upload to UA-cam now I try to get it done in one session, because I have better tools, know what I'm doing, etc but also when you fiddle for something for too long you can ruin it. And also, sometimes the thing you're working on, "perfection" would be too much, the aesthetic of "good enough" is actually more appropriate. The hand-made feel of the internet is getting lost amongst all the polish.
well first time i saw 2000$ but you still got my attention
find it wholesme to see russian tubers be interested in cheap editing lol
This was such a nice gesture from you.Helping someone and recognising his work. Respect.
Twist: Ali made this video. And if he did - he forgot to extend the adjustment layer or color grading right before the 7:50 mark. Your face goes green for a second. On the quick jump cut. If I’m wrong, I’ll edit your video for 50 cents for every 10 minutes of footage.
Well. Better to start at the 7:45 mark
I'm just starting to learn video editing (self-teaching), and I learned more about editing from this video than from hours of instructional videos here on youTube.
Let's start a pool - how long will it take until deep learning does the same job better and cheaper?
Good point. There are already some apps out there that are pretty amazing with removing issues and “fixing”things. Especially in the vocal realm. Like removing “ums” and “uhs”.
At least 5 years. Defining the objects in a video correctly is not that easy as you might think
@ Oh, I once thought it could not happen, but deep learning opened a bunch of new doors. There might be some hoops to jump through, like describing each scene in the footage to simplify recognition or sorting the footage to delete unusable parts early in the process, but some of the things possible seemed like the unrealistic kind of scifi just five years ago.
That was a surprise! I didn't expect a usable cut. That'd be handy for simple edits or putting footage in order. Good luck Ali!
I think you should interview him so he explains how he pulls it off, that would be interesting.
How he pulls what off? Living off $15 a day? Asking him something like that would be incredibly rude and disrespectful. I'm sure Ali is doing better than a lot of us mentally, spiritually, and probably physically as well .
@@lo-fiempath6964 I really don’t know why it would be rude I live in a third world country where life is way cheaper than in the US but even then those prices are not enough to live on… by far. I don’t know anything about Ali I’m not sure of anything about his life but I didn’t mean to be challenging I’m just curious.
I think its a good way to get your foot in the door and in front of clients. It's a good way to build a small portfolio of work to show case to newer clients. But $2.00 in the US is clearly not survivable. I also would not change for 2 minutes of finished product. Their may be lots of editing just to get a minute or two. Imagine if there is stop motion, vfx, and sound mixed design. He needs to be clear that it's simple and basic editing with cuts. The thumbnail is a great upsell but I would not charge for it at that price. I would simply give it away complimentary. He should also allow donations, contributions for his future work, or tips. What he looses in the front he can make up for in the back end. Once he builds up his portfolio and his demand increases he should start charging more.
I don't think there is anything wrong with $2.00 for a short video. Creators know they are not going to live off of it. However, If used properly it can break you though the door to get some clients. You can work for free and have full creative control, but working for a small pay is good for learning how to work with money transactions, contracts, upselling, invoices, budgeting, and other things without worrying about something going wrong for both parties. It sets low expectations but for many it's work a shot here and there.
The fight that it undercuts the professional video editor and designers is not true at all. Your work is based on the demand of your services and someone has to do it while keeping their business in operation. It's a way more designers can get started without investing too much too early. There may be some people who will pour their hearts out into their work for free. And they have every right to do so. And these editors should be treated with some gratitude rather than hostility. They know they can't survive off of extremely low prices or even free. It may be a hobby for them. But, highly demanded editors will be targeted by high paid professionals with large expectations. However what he should charge for is for any purchases he makes for your project such as if he purchases music, fonts, images, rentals, etc. His service is free or low charge.
In terms of revisions it should be in his best interest to charge for revisions as a good practice for getting payed properly for his time / work. Or upfront offer 1 or 2 free revisions for small changes.
It's a bad practice not to charge for these or sign off for the work performed up to a certain point. As he continues more work in the future he can start pricing his work at a more reasonable rate that works well for his business. Think of it this way. Instead of him paying for advertisement, he is paying for his own time and work through demonstration. The $2.00 is a learning tool for business transactions. It's not expected to last forever. Eventually, he will raise his prices, stop working, or do it as a hobby.
He might be in a third world country where $15 USD goes a long long way! And he's gonna build up from here. Hire him guys!
Its called developing counties
Don't be an ass
@@galeofdusk it does change something, I don't like when my country is called third world, like some kind of garbage.
...at-least I can drink my tap-water and don't have to see 150000 homeless people... asshole
but a pc cost even more the that needs mantainence and replacement parts
@@breezyrides6829 that's not how people use the terms nowadays.
You totally just copypasted it from wiki, that's not "doing research" smartass
He’s starting out building his resume, if he keeps it up he won’t be charging that for long
Film editing and chicken raising. A perfect combination.
Oh yes!
How I started in VO work. I was willing to take about any job. Experience is a “cheap” but invaluable education. Now I won’t touch a low pay job. Not because I can’t do it. But I know there is a person out there that needs the experience and they’ll possibly put their heart and soul into it. Salad days. Cutting your teeth. Paying your dues. What ever you want to call it. It’s a precious time in your career for learning and building your character.
I think it’s awesome how you’re working with Ari. It’s almost like you’re a secret coach.
Appreciate this comment. Paying your dues is certainly one of the best ways to get your start. Just realize many good clients are willing to pay you a fair rate once they know you and realize that they can count on you to deliver quality on time with great communication.
@@ThisGuyEdits totally agree. AND! One thing I forgot to mention is building a portfolio. Having that important “track record” of previous work is also a big help.
In the near future, editing will be done by AI instead of Ali. Image and voice recognition is almost good enough.
It’s insane. Photographers have known this pain for a while. So many people undercutting. Luckily much of the work can’t be done remotely like editing.
Undercutting is in almost every industry in different ways. Business wont last for long if you charge below your expenses. You use it as a tool as advertising your work, demonstrations, building relations with clients, learning, and practicing or testing new ideas or concepts, gathering market data, and, building your portfolio. If you mess up on something, it's not a major loss to you or your client since the value exchange is minimal. But doing this for long term will either turn into a hobby, or will not be sustained once the funds run out. Some businesses offer low upfront prices on some services and make money through other backend means. An example is company that makes real-estate videos for $50 using actually professionals with quality gear. But they are also paying subscriptions for listing their real estate on their website and charge larger fees for that. The fees will compensate for the editing dues.
Very unfortunate name for a project..."epidemic". Oh dear, how did someone settle on that...
Epidemic Sound is a service that was there way before covid
@@EvilDogFilmsOfficial i fail to see how even preCovid the artistic choice on such a name was made. Seems so utterly inappropriate. I know what you're thinking..this guy is losing sleep over someone's choice of name and need he to pill chill. Yes i'm taking one now :)
@@peznino1 thank you, yes, let's talk after the pill lol :D
I kind of understand… it’s like calling something “viral”. Don’t see much difference. But yeah, would’ve changed the name after an actual epidemic broke out like avid changed ISIS to NEXIS a couple years back 🤣
Really great that you didn't just hate on the guy like loads of other channel would have done.
Lovely stuff mate.
Hope the guy gets a lot of work.
Honestly I’m kind of shocked you didn’t tip him AT LEAST $100.
I would hire Ali and show him he deserves to be paid much more and have him learn what he needs to in the process. Dude's got a lot of heart.
Insane, unsustainable and hopefully he raises his price!
The version after your notes were really good, The first pass was nice also... especially since that was $12. As a side note, nothing stops you from paying him more, I feel that $12 is pretty low also. Chances are that money helps him out and is meaningful to him and his family, but if its worth more than he charges, I don't think it would be wrong to pay a few bucks more. Its likely he would be able to spend a little more time also and get closer to the the +90% perfect or at least reduce more of the time you need to put in. A Win / Win for you both.
He did such a good job. I would’ve offered him more than what he asked. If no one ever tells you that you are worth more how will you ever know?
Do market research? Have so many customers that you have to dismiss new customers and realize you could higher your rates. Have a tax consultant. Have business friends....
It's not the job of a customer.
It’s called self worth mate
Ali's work is worth whatever he wants it to be. For now he is eating up the cost of work which is buying himself demonstrations and access to some clients. It gets his foot in the door. Their is only a limited amount of time until his own funds run out. So from now to then he can practice his work, use this opportunity to gather clients, improve his work and figure out a pricing solution that can fit his expenses.
This happens too often on youtube. I have a friend who was editing 30 minute gaming videos for $10/video. I talked him into raising his rate to the client because he was basically making nothing for his time and the client got upset and immediately dropped him. It's astounding to me that this is the going rate in certain online communities for editors which is why it's so important to *know the value of your time/equipment* and get the clients who are vested enough in their content and message to pay you for it with a smile :)
The quality of the shots does not deserve to spend more than 15$ for editing
Facts. Like do you not have a Canon rebel or iPhone 8 laying around? 😂
Yes keep him hired. Great work from Ali. I agree with the pricing, it should be more. I edit in Premiere Pro myself and fully understand the time involved.
it's a happy ending for everyone. I hope so. including for chickens
Not for the larvae though.
I hope Ali is a young, budding editor who will someday be able to make a living editing.
Lol my charge is 18$ per work hour. I am really getting anxious about whether Ali is doing okay. 😳
Ali R U OK?
ua-cam.com/video/dgigUG62fFg/v-deo.html
@@viktorjohansson8948 Lol
Just wait for the AI which pays you!
I am glad Ali does great work. I am concerned for the low pricing. Especially when videographers with a higher cost of living cannot compete with such low pricing. I will charge $75 and hour for editing at my lowest rate so there is no competing with him.
no se que decir, es jodidamente triste, la única palabra que tengo en la mente es frustración, tantos años dedicados a estudiar, invertir en libros, en cursos y en un equipo decente para trabajar y no poder cobrar una suma decente porque hay gente que regala el trabajo, frustrante.
Tristemente, esto es producto de un mundo global dónde no hay regulaciónes y protecciónes para los trabajadores, especialmente los trabajadores en las artes. Por un lado, el amigo no está haciendo el dinero que se merece--pero por otro lado es posible que solamente quiere darle de comer a su familia en un país más pobre que el tuyo.
@@jamjox9922 mi critica no es al tipo sino al sistema que obliga a las personas a trabajar posiblemente solo para lograr comer, y no permite que las personas logren alcanzar un nivel de vida digno
u know how painful editing is, painful not to edit but to make the directors and producers satisfy, so please pay him good amount thinking urself in his shoes. thanks and good work as a beginner
7:47 whats happening to the color grading ? or do you loose your skin tone often ?
Yeah I've definitely noticed that. His face color was cycling every few seconds. Didn't seem to be correlated with other things in the background
My view (having tried to make a living from photography and videography for nearly 40 years is that Ali will benefit from your notes on his editing, but especially from your advice on charging for his work. An experienced professional, such as yourself, is best placed to suggest how and what to charge to neophytes to the profession and this is often the most practical advice they need.
15 bucks is totally fine if he's from my country, but in my country, there is not any Creative Cloud, it's all piracy.
I'm sure Adobe is gonna be fine. 🤔
And if you're serious, I will send you a copy of cs5 or 6 idk which one I have. But it has the product key and you can have it if you know some people that can use it. Email me 93filmsandmedia@gmail.com
I love the music in the background when you "don't brag" You have a great sense of humor!
Plot twist. It's actually an editing sweatshop, and 'Ali' actually gets 20c on the dollar for his work.
are these real? :( ...are they hiring?
Double plot twist. Ali isn't actually a real person but instead it's a fictional person played* by whoever is around to check email at that moment and the currency exchange rate into local currency means the $12USD is a local equivalent of $150
@@tjmarx That goes without saying. haha
Ugh, this is too depressing to think of.
You are so right even though you think you’re joking.
Ok but this brings up so many questions. One, why do you put fake eggs in the hen house? Two, do you eat 5 to 6 eggs a day? And three, chickens “bark”?
He probably lives in a country that is passing through inflation. I live in lebanon and this year i earn 80% less than before because our currency lost its value against the dollar.
Very true. I live in Tunisia where our money lost 50% of its value against the euro and dollar in the past 4 years, and I earn as much as Ali.
I'm lebanese too but i wanna ask how's editing in lebanon? even when the dollar was 1500lira editing was kinda cheap in lebanon so how's that profession holding up now?
Absolutely insane. That's basically free. But at the same time, if he wants to get started as a YT video editor, this would be a great way to build up some sort of portfolio to show future clients. Personally, not the way I'd start, but if he's good at it and is super timely, why not? I also love and appreciate your openness to the offer from Ali. And even funnier that his first response back ended up in the junk mail. haha
That's CRAZY LOW. Ali probably lives in a country where life is cheap and work may be hard to find, but still, it's incredibly cheap for the work he's done for Sven. I was impressed by his editing, since I was expecting something awfully bad. But as an editor who values my craft, I would never hire Ali, or I'd pay him a lot more than what he's asking.
I had a "similar" experience recently. I hired somebody who offered me a very low price for a small motion graphics job. The experience was not as nice as Sven had (not addressing all my notes, sending me cuts with new issues, slow communication) but at the end it was good enough. By then I was ready to give the guy more (bc it was still a low price) but when I asked for a small change (after the final revision version) he refused. So, at the end I paid what he asked for from the beginning. And funny thing, 5 days later I needed another change and he stopped answering my messages even though he said he wanted to work with me again 🤪
@@deleyton yeah, that’s more in line with what I would expect from someone selling himself very cheap.
Seriously expected a quarter-assed job. He's got potential!
Especially once he meshes with a director that share their visions properly.
This is definitely a subject that needs more attention, so thank you for bringing it up!
Great work as always! :)
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Cool, thanks!
Kudos to you and Ali. I thought this was going to go horribly for Ali but your take on it was refreshing and fair. You made my day!
If he makes $10/day, he totals $300/month. It’s what most people make in the developing countries unfortunately
on average yes, but imagine if he could get work over the internet that paid properly, it could totally transform his life if thats the situation he's in. just because one might be used to working for little, doesn't mean they deserve to. especially when it's over the internet, the potential client base is so much higher.
well, it's not that unfortunate. around 70% of my country is poor. and he might be making a sustainable middle-class monthly income at this rate.
@@ashitsahu8949 It's a side effect of global internet economy. Unfortunate part is he/she would be cutting the prices in the global market. Monthly rent in Bangladesh might be around $50-100 but it's $2000-3000 in New York. It's impossible to do these gigs and survive in the 1st world.
@@fakehoneypictures I understand that, but is there any other way round?
@@ashitsahu8949 I don't see a way around from this. I think both sides are right
Beautiful gesture of yours to link to Ali!
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In Europe, these kind of prices are actually illegal as the are considered unfair commercial practices and unfair competition
I personally think it IS insane and to not just force him to accept a higher pay strikes me as borderline unethical XD
I was impressed at Ali's editing, especially so for the first draft. it was decently done with minimal supervision and notes.
Maybe USD 15 is cheap but it can convert nicely to some currency (~Rs 1000 , ~IDR 200,000 ) which would be about a week's to a month's worth of food on the table.
But you're right, he can get more, but he needs someone from a land of strong currency to support it since it may be hard to find job in his place.
please sir please it means a lot breakdown TENET movie
Princing is always tricky. But just imagine that when you are working remotely, you may be dealing with people from all over the world. And in different parts of the world, money has different value. I'm from Brazil, where US$ 1 dollar is currently valued at R$ 5. I wouldn't mind having lower rates because the dollar is worth more for me then for an american or european. Imagine in poorer countries such as in Central America, sub saharian Africa or Southeast Asia. Maybe one dollar to them could provide food for their whole family for the day.
I started teaching English online a few months ago, and I had a start off at crazy low prices so I could get reviews and more experience. As I got busier, I've also raised my price. A friend started teaching at the same time as me but set a high price right from the start still only has a fraction of the students and no reviews yet. Sometimes a you gotta do what you gotta do when you're new.
You know some people can't afford high prices for editing like people who are just starting a youtube channel on a tight budget so thank God for editors like Ali who charge reasonable prices.
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Charging for notes is fair enough but in the same time how can client be sure that editor made a mistakes not for charging additional money?
Saw the whole video Ali edited... i was very much enjoying the video.. good job Ali. I hope Ali finds more work and able to raise his prices .. 🤞
I hope so too
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This was amazing lol I think you should hire or keep working with him. He clearly knows his craft, of course could bee better but obviously has the potential to do so. I see the humbleness solely off of not charging for the revisions after receiving notes. Wow. I would've left him a nice tip for that lol
I used to cut livestream highlight videos for $15 per video. I'd skim through the stream generally about 7-10 hours long and cut together the best bits, add motion graphics, sound design, and music. Don't get me wrong, that's way too low a price, but I actually learned a lot and it was my first client so I wouldn't say I regret it. But there's no way I'd still work for that price nowadays.
Thank you for the encouragement not only for Ali, but for those just starting out and lacking confidence.
Thanks for the opportunity and encouragement!
You could always send him a bonus, nothing stopping you from paying him what you think he’s worth.
This is ABSOLUTELY insane. Talk about the Race to Zero. Wow. Question for you: What is the value, for you, of an edit of this video that's 80% there? What is the MOST you would pay for Ali's work?
This is a great question.
How come you didn’t ask Ali for the xml files? That is a great work around for editing between fcpx and premiere pro! And files in general!
You advice on pay strategies and workload is gem for me. Am putting it into practice ASAP. I have a backlog of videos to edit from personal to clients and it's getting chaos for me. Upping prices will at least sort out some stuffs. Thanks for the tips.
He did a good job imho. Id have done about the same but audio a bit better and immersive. Also, I know quite a few starting editors willing to work for crumbs to get started and to get 'in' with great clients like yourself! All in all, good job Ali. I hope you can keep him busy.
Nice and honest review and opinion from a Pro Editor. That is globalization, we have had the same in the IT industry for the last 20 years or so: to cut labor costs everything outsourced offshore where life daily cost is between 1~5$/day. At first you feel cheated ... betraid ...but then you realize you can actually benefit from it, and focus on other tasks. I am not against this, as long as we have win win situation.
5:19 I liked the diarrhea-colored text outline
That laugh after you check the time and the amount he would make got me dwl 7:35 🤣 great post man 👍🏿
Loved your unbiased, open look at this. On the other hand, it seems like we are all part of the race to the bottom in the creative industries. Including the incredibly affordable stock music library you are promoting. I wonder how much the musicians who feed that machine are making per minute of original music?