I bought my 590 back in 2019 on sale for 300 it was a work horse for me for going on 5 years and I just recently did a muffler mod and put a 27” echo pro bar and de restricted the carb and properly tuned it it’s like a totally different saw I can’t wait to port it in the future love your videos man appreciate the inspiration from you among others you’re awesome
ive always been a stihl guy but my echo cs 590 is one of the best saws ive ever owned!! I run a 24" bar with a skip tooth & it eats through the wood!! only issue ive had is the oil pump went out recently easy cheap part to replace echo way more cheaper then stihl
Still loving the absolute hell out of my 590 after 6 months of beating the ever living crap out of it. Did a muffler mod and popped the limiters after break in, she hasn’t struggled a bit. For $400, it simply can’t be beat
Your intentions for the 400i seems to be that all around saw for you, and that is what my 565 is to me, best saw purchase I ever made. I really hope u warm up to that Stihl 400i and feel the same as I do about my saw this time next year.. I think once broke in and you are used to the way it works , you will be happy with that saw.
That’s why I like my 620p. It’s a good torque/hp character. I run a 27" b/c all day on it. I have a couple 5 series Husky saws, 572 and 550. I had to adjust how I cut with the 572 had to let it cut vs dogging it in. Ended up getting dyno joe to port it etc… and he upped the low rpm torque; now I can dog the saw no problem. Dyno joe made my 572 the saw I wanted it to be when I bought it… I do recommend people with the mtronic and Autotune saws get the firmware updated from time to time.
I used my echo cs400 for a decade before I bought a 620. I've had the 620 for 3 years or so and I'm still amazed every time I sink it into some wood. My 400 is muffler modded and it helped that saw a lot. I have had absolutely no need to make the 620 any faster than stock.
I’ve been saying the same thing for a couple years now. For the money the CS 590 is by far the best saw for the money. You just can’t beat it for $400!
Second comment.. Having ran a 460 rancher immediately before my 620, you are 110% correct. Not even in the same league even though the price is neck and neck. I've loved every husky i've touched.. as long as it wasn't a 400 series. I hated the 435 and 450 i ran too.
$250 plus MSRP for a 590... puts you right at the cost of a 620. I'd have gone with the 620, and had a saw with a 5 yr warranty. All those mods to the 590 void the warranty. Of course, since you got the 590 used, that's not an issue. I got a 590 used, too for $200. It needed a new bar, so I have $250 invested in it.
One thing I like about the 590/620 series is that aforementioned torque. I am currently cutting a lot of "medium" sized wood destined for firewood sales (think oak, hickory, maple, and poplar mostly 20" and under) and there is enough grunt there to run an 8 tooth sprocket. So i'm getting the chain speed of a higher revving saw but the engine speed is not way out in left field. It absolutely reaps the souls of the limbs. If I know i'm going to be doing bigger wood the sprocket is my bag and a very quick swap. Honestly though I've not had the 7 back on since I tried the 8.
@@dmc8981 he just compared a $750 saw to a $400 saw that only runs 4 seconds slower out of a whole minute of cutting. Your smoked out. Japan is known world wide for their quality craftsmanship.
It's not a powerhouse by today's standards anymore, but I should let you saw with my Homelite C51. If you're man enough to carry it to the wood, it will cut it. Really like your videos and enjoy seeing you put such a variety of saws to work.
@@danquirke443 My cousin has a wild thing that I put together out of two saws. One was fried,and the other had a tree dropped on it. I put that saw together eighteen years ago. It has been punished for existing all these years, but I wouldn't put it in an Amish man's hands and send him away with it. That's what I'm saying. They used Jonsered, Husqvarna, and Stihl. One to two years. That's what they lasted.
New to saw world and I started out with a Mikita/Dolmar ea5600. I'm just wondering for perspective how far back am I from this class of saws? I was tempted into getting a 7900 next but with news of Mikita dropping the gas line I'm not sure I want to jump into something loosing support.
I also have no idea about that 400 but I've witnessed in person and seen on video how an ms500i just wakes up all of the sudden😯 to the extreme that surely it has to change fuel and ignition trims? Wouldn't be surprised if your 400 doesn't do the same after enough run time!
You forgot to mention the MS 310 it is a 60 cc chainsaw stock with a 20-in bar with a couple tunes on these these things really fly and have a pretty decent amount of torque. I also have the MS 381 Magnum into 72cc saw which is a tank it has torque and speed ported with muffler mod 25" bar Skip full chisel chain.
I got several new saws for our firewood business this year the ms400cm will mop the 620pw we have ,hands down .The 400 is lighter, faster it will out cut the 620pw the echo has the 24" and the stihl has the 25" .
I wasn't super impressed with my 400 until I cut about a 6 cord of firewood with it. My buddies 391 out ran it when i first got it. Granted it did have the stupid safety chain on it. But even my buddy noticed when it broke in, mainly because it seemed to get louder and rev higher, and now he says he wants my 400 if I die.
I run the Sthil light bars and the ES bars on my saws and I'm starting to wonder if some of the oiling problems might be coming from the smaller angled oil hole in the light bars. Seems to me I get more oil under the clutch cover when I run light bars. As far as the 400, I think I'll stick to my 462. Still wondering what their thought was for the 400, maybe they should have made it a 400i.
My Tsumura LW bars seem to oil better than any of my Stihl bars, LW or not. Tsumura’s seem to be a bit more rigid, and a few ounces heavier than the Stihl LW.
Don’t think it would change much carb itself looks like the same series but not sure about internal changes. Would have to look at the flywheel part numbers, coil numbers and carb number to find out. May very well be the same parts since the 400 was designed off the 362. Might have to get one of the tree service 362 mtronics and compare with my 400
@@christopherlehman4045 I think the flywheel and coil on the 400 are different than the ones on the 362. otherwise, I don't don't know anything about the 400. thanks.
Gonna say that considering the 400 is 7cc or so more, you would expect it to win. People saying both ported the stihl will be miles ahead, I'm not convinced the echo's tend to gain more when ported so will be similar. The 400 is expensive for what it is, what's the weight like compared?
Why to play with tilting the saw if your bar is long enough to cut this diameter. This is basically when all the difference is coming from. Less chain contact with wood - slower the overall cut. It compensates by higher rpm, but not 100%
Was always my experience that a Stihl will never improve but very little over the first tank of gas, and that is not to say that they aren't good right off the shelf, but the other brands will transform into another beast of a saw in about a gallon of gas... just my useless opinion.. I really like the 550xp M2 if you convert it to 3/8 chain they will smoke most any 60cc saw.....but they are autotune.
Maybe, don’t know anything about the 400 but my 30yr old 34 super outruns my new 620 by quite a bit. Both completely stock. Hoping gutting the muffler and a little break in will help but that old stihl has always been a beast of a little saw. 🤷🏽♂️
Stihl and Husky are pricing themselves out the game. Im. sure there are enough "pros" to keep paying 1,300$ to keep them going but they better watch out.
You are not convincing, you don't like stihl saws. Just say so. At least be honest. I respect the fact that you acknowledge that this series you have been doing lately is bringing the views. Keep up the hard work dude. Be safe.
The only thing I have against Stihl saws is that in general, they are not as good as their Husqvarna or Dolmar counterpart and they have convinced the world exactly the opposite. That's it really. They are a high quality machine that will last just as long as a Husky, but they're just not for me. But the MS400...yes, yes I actually do REALLY like it. Although so far, it isn't anything special.
Most people who dislike stihl is down to the direction of the off switch in my opinion. I love stihl but I agree it is counterintuitive. My 280 cbqi has off in up position which you get used to but o would say down should be correct direction. However it isnt every what i use in quickly for that the break is the most important and they all work teh same. I love the off on my 500i and the husky 592xpg. The small 2511 wes echo is also one which arches me out I often forget to put the off switch forward again and wonder why it doesn't start.
Stihl is every bit as good as the husky counterpart, not always about all out speed but durability and from what I’m seeing some of the 5 series huskies aren’t doing that great the 3 series huskies were better saws overall in my opinion from what I’ve seen so far and dolmar was good but is no longer so they’re kinda out of the conversation
There seems to be an American obsession to run a bar a lot longer than what the manufacturer recommends and then you state “oh the saw doesn’t perform so well”. I don’t understand why you’re surprised. Simple, buy the right tool for the job if need a 36” bar buy a Stihl MS 661. Don’t modify anything you’ll void your warranty for negligible gains.
Guess I’m Not understanding why you want to promote sthil 😂send that thing down the rd. 🫣ford lightning is a race car. 😅 elcameno was more of a truck 😂
I bought my 590 back in 2019 on sale for 300 it was a work horse for me for going on 5 years and I just recently did a muffler mod and put a 27” echo pro bar and de restricted the carb and properly tuned it it’s like a totally different saw I can’t wait to port it in the future love your videos man appreciate the inspiration from you among others you’re awesome
ive always been a stihl guy but my echo cs 590 is one of the best saws ive ever owned!!
I run a 24" bar with a skip tooth & it eats through the wood!! only issue ive had is the oil pump went out recently
easy cheap part to replace
echo way more cheaper then stihl
Still loving the absolute hell out of my 590 after 6 months of beating the ever living crap out of it. Did a muffler mod and popped the limiters after break in, she hasn’t struggled a bit. For $400, it simply can’t be beat
Your intentions for the 400i seems to be that all around saw for you, and that is what my 565 is to me, best saw purchase I ever made. I really hope u warm up to that Stihl 400i and feel the same as I do about my saw this time next year.. I think once broke in and you are used to the way it works , you will be happy with that saw.
That’s why I like my 620p. It’s a good torque/hp character. I run a 27" b/c all day on it.
I have a couple 5 series Husky saws, 572 and 550. I had to adjust how I cut with the 572 had to let it cut vs dogging it in. Ended up getting dyno joe to port it etc… and he upped the low rpm torque; now I can dog the saw no problem. Dyno joe made my 572 the saw I wanted it to be when I bought it…
I do recommend people with the mtronic and Autotune saws get the firmware updated from time to time.
This is the stuff I like seeing! Great match-up!! Awesome vid, thanks for posting these gems!!
Thanks for the comparison video, pretty cool. I own a couple Timberwolves and really enjoy using them. Love your love for the CS590
I used my echo cs400 for a decade before I bought a 620. I've had the 620 for 3 years or so and I'm still amazed every time I sink it into some wood. My 400 is muffler modded and it helped that saw a lot. I have had absolutely no need to make the 620 any faster than stock.
the ms 400 came out a little over a year ago......🤔🤔🤔
🤣😂🤣😂
@@dmc8981 I believe he is talking about an echo 400....m cs400
I’ve been saying the same thing for a couple years now. For the money the CS 590 is by far the best saw for the money. You just can’t beat it for $400!
Spend the extra money for the 620pw its money well spent and in my professional opinion a better saw for a small amount of money more!
@@andrewslagle1974 I’d rather spend the $ 200 difference on something with more value. I don’t need the wrap handle or cylinder upgrade.
Second comment..
Having ran a 460 rancher immediately before my 620, you are 110% correct. Not even in the same league even though the price is neck and neck. I've loved every husky i've touched.. as long as it wasn't a 400 series. I hated the 435 and 450 i ran too.
How does upgrading the coil pick-up make it better ?
58 seconds verses 102 seconds? That reading correct?
$250 plus MSRP for a 590... puts you right at the cost of a 620. I'd have gone with the 620, and had a saw with a 5 yr warranty. All those mods to the 590 void the warranty. Of course, since you got the 590 used, that's not an issue. I got a 590 used, too for $200. It needed a new bar, so I have $250 invested in it.
One thing I like about the 590/620 series is that aforementioned torque. I am currently cutting a lot of "medium" sized wood destined for firewood sales (think oak, hickory, maple, and poplar mostly 20" and under) and there is enough grunt there to run an 8 tooth sprocket. So i'm getting the chain speed of a higher revving saw but the engine speed is not way out in left field. It absolutely reaps the souls of the limbs. If I know i'm going to be doing bigger wood the sprocket is my bag and a very quick swap. Honestly though I've not had the 7 back on since I tried the 8.
So the 8 revs it faster and the 7 is more torquey? Which one do you prefer for 20" wood and under
@@dentondunn4346 An 8 would get higher speed and allow you to use that extra torque to it's advantage from what I understand from his comment.
Another great video Boedy. I was watching Ironhorse on live feed today and he's got your Holtzforma to build for you. I can't wait to see it.
Any chance you can provide the information for the 36" echo bar?
That’s an expensive few seconds gain 😂😂😂😂
i don't like stihl
i like husqvarna/jonsered
but the echo shit not even a third of the working time lasts compared to the stihl echo is shit period
@@dmc8981 hey i don’t like echo either lol
@@dmc8981 he just compared a $750 saw to a $400 saw that only runs 4 seconds slower out of a whole minute of cutting. Your smoked out. Japan is known world wide for their quality craftsmanship.
What bar and chain did you use on cs 590?
I paid 730$ for my 400c w/20” bar. Then after break in it went to Buxton. Been a F’n dream ever since.
I bet it is..gary makes some wicked machines!!
Gary does great work 🤙🏽
@@chapsmaketory3960 Every day I fire it up and make a cut the saw makes me smile. He does fantastic work
I'd love to have Gary do up this 400. For now, I just gotta get this thing broken in well.
It's not a powerhouse by today's standards anymore, but I should let you saw with my Homelite C51. If you're man enough to carry it to the wood, it will cut it. Really like your videos and enjoy seeing you put such a variety of saws to work.
Both good saws. The 400 will probably go more hours of use. I like them both. You got me wanting to go get a 590.
I've had a 590 for around 15 years. I've got many other choices and it's still my go to saw. I can't kill it.
@@danquirke443 My cousin has a wild thing that I put together out of two saws. One was fried,and the other had a tree dropped on it. I put that saw together eighteen years ago. It has been punished for existing all these years, but I wouldn't put it in an Amish man's hands and send him away with it. That's what I'm saying. They used Jonsered, Husqvarna, and Stihl. One to two years. That's what they lasted.
New to saw world and I started out with a Mikita/Dolmar ea5600. I'm just wondering for perspective how far back am I from this class of saws? I was tempted into getting a 7900 next but with news of Mikita dropping the gas line I'm not sure I want to jump into something loosing support.
I also have no idea about that 400 but I've witnessed in person and seen on video how an ms500i just wakes up all of the sudden😯 to the extreme that surely it has to change fuel and ignition trims? Wouldn't be surprised if your 400 doesn't do the same after enough run time!
👍ha….I was thinking of the ford lightning when you made than analogy.
I am a ford guy too!
I’ve been looking at the echo 620pw. Good bang for the buck.
I like my 590 bought it used for $75.00 runs great
You forgot to mention the MS 310 it is a 60 cc chainsaw stock with a 20-in bar with a couple tunes on these these things really fly and have a pretty decent amount of torque.
I also have the MS 381 Magnum into 72cc saw which is a tank it has torque and speed ported with muffler mod 25" bar Skip full chisel chain.
I got several new saws for our firewood business this year the ms400cm will mop the 620pw we have ,hands down .The 400 is lighter, faster it will out cut the 620pw the echo has the 24" and the stihl has the 25" .
Has the 620 had a muffler mod and a different chain?
Those two things really hold the saw back. And you'll need to be able to adjust the carburetor.
I wasn't super impressed with my 400 until I cut about a 6 cord of firewood with it. My buddies 391 out ran it when i first got it. Granted it did have the stupid safety chain on it. But even my buddy noticed when it broke in, mainly because it seemed to get louder and rev higher, and now he says he wants my 400 if I die.
I run the Sthil light bars and the ES bars on my saws and I'm starting to wonder if some of the oiling problems might be coming from the smaller angled oil hole in the light bars. Seems to me I get more oil under the clutch cover when I run light bars. As far as the 400, I think I'll stick to my 462. Still wondering what their thought was for the 400, maybe they should have made it a 400i.
Think all the new bars have the angled hole that’s supposed to help direct the oil at the chain
We love the new ms400cm for bucking firewood it light and cuts fast !
My Tsumura LW bars seem to oil better than any of my Stihl bars, LW or not. Tsumura’s seem to be a bit more rigid, and a few ounces heavier than the Stihl LW.
Hebat kawan 👍👍👍
My 590 is all the saw I will ever need.
Boedy, slap an Egan Strait Shot on that muffler, re-cal the M-Tronic and let er’ rip. Great video man!
I'm waiting for the break in first. Hopefully I'll catch it on video.
I've run stihls for 40 years,they cost more but last longer,it didn't look like it was sharp!
I wonder how a 362 would run with a 400 carb and coil ?
Don’t think it would change much carb itself looks like the same series but not sure about internal changes. Would have to look at the flywheel part numbers, coil numbers and carb number to find out. May very well be the same parts since the 400 was designed off the 362. Might have to get one of the tree service 362 mtronics and compare with my 400
@@christopherlehman4045 I think the flywheel and coil on the 400 are different than the ones on the 362. otherwise, I don't don't know anything about the 400. thanks.
Nice to see a short bar ripper take the win..
I was never pulling for an echo so much. If it would of won, you would not of been able to compose yourself. 😂
Gonna say that considering the 400 is 7cc or so more, you would expect it to win. People saying both ported the stihl will be miles ahead, I'm not convinced the echo's tend to gain more when ported so will be similar. The 400 is expensive for what it is, what's the weight like compared?
400 and ms 362 weigh 12.8 lbs powerhead only
Why to play with tilting the saw if your bar is long enough to cut this diameter. This is basically when all the difference is coming from.
Less chain contact with wood - slower the overall cut. It compensates by higher rpm, but not 100%
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Was always my experience that a Stihl will never improve but very little over the first tank of gas, and that is not to say that they aren't good right off the shelf, but the other brands will transform into another beast of a saw in about a gallon of gas... just my useless opinion.. I really like the 550xp M2 if you convert it to 3/8 chain they will smoke most any 60cc saw.....but they are autotune.
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And if your very smart. You CAN find 590s for 150$. Remember Boedy I sent ya that like brand new one for 150$
Interesting
👍s🆙BigGuy!
I bet my 620 would take the 400!
Maybe, don’t know anything about the 400 but my 30yr old 34 super outruns my new 620 by quite a bit. Both completely stock. Hoping gutting the muffler and a little break in will help but that old stihl has always been a beast of a little saw. 🤷🏽♂️
I thought with hitting the notification bell you were supposed 2 get notification of a new video release! WTF YT? 👍s🆙BigGuy!
Did not get notification on this one either
Go echo go!!!
I hope that is a skip chain at least!
When it breaks in you’ll see a big difference and when you start to modifying it it will really open your eyes bud
I hope so, and I believe you. I am expecting it.
Stihl and Husky are pricing themselves out the game. Im. sure there are enough "pros" to keep paying 1,300$ to keep them going but they better watch out.
You are not convincing, you don't like stihl saws. Just say so. At least be honest. I respect the fact that you acknowledge that this series you have been doing lately is bringing the views. Keep up the hard work dude. Be safe.
The only thing I have against Stihl saws is that in general, they are not as good as their Husqvarna or Dolmar counterpart and they have convinced the world exactly the opposite. That's it really. They are a high quality machine that will last just as long as a Husky, but they're just not for me. But the MS400...yes, yes I actually do REALLY like it. Although so far, it isn't anything special.
Most people who dislike stihl is down to the direction of the off switch in my opinion. I love stihl but I agree it is counterintuitive. My 280 cbqi has off in up position which you get used to but o would say down should be correct direction. However it isnt every what i use in quickly for that the break is the most important and they all work teh same. I love the off on my 500i and the husky 592xpg. The small 2511 wes echo is also one which arches me out I often forget to put the off switch forward again and wonder why it doesn't start.
Yeah that little echo 2511 definitely needs a momentary switch on the kill. Especially given it’s use as a climbing saw starting/stopping constantly.
Stihl is every bit as good as the husky counterpart, not always about all out speed but durability and from what I’m seeing some of the 5 series huskies aren’t doing that great the 3 series huskies were better saws overall in my opinion from what I’ve seen so far and dolmar was good but is no longer so they’re kinda out of the conversation
I want to send u my 390 just to see where it’s at.
That is how you test a saw.. a 20 inch bar through a 12 inch stick don't really test nothing in my opinion
Il say this u put a egan straight shot or wcs Bark box on that 400 and break it in that saw will change ur mind I promise you .
1 min = 60 sek not 104 sek :D
First. Do I win the giveaway?
I'm your huckleberry!
There seems to be an American obsession to run a bar a lot longer than what the manufacturer recommends and then you state “oh the saw doesn’t perform so well”. I don’t understand why you’re surprised. Simple, buy the right tool for the job if need a 36” bar buy a Stihl MS 661. Don’t modify anything you’ll void your warranty for negligible gains.
ps i was
Um, 1 min 2.42 sec is a lot different than 102.42 seconds, just saying...
😂. Put em in thier place. Not worth the $$
Demands a big audience... Hell its just a saw,relax!
Ridiculous
Guess I’m Not understanding why you want to promote sthil 😂send that thing down the rd. 🫣ford lightning is a race car. 😅 elcameno was more of a truck 😂