I used to be 440 460 stihl guy, then when I tried a husqvarna 562xp when it first came out I switched, but that 400c has changed my outlook AGAIN, it's a very good saw.
This video along with several other reviews on multiple comparable saws in this category (mainly Husq, Stihl, and Echo) all lead me to realize the solid American built Echo is what I want to purchase, thank you!
@@md-fq9ye Correction, Echo is a subsidiary of a Japanese company that makes some parts and models, Echo is a company out of Illinois that still manufactures and assembles most of the equipment sold in the U.S.
@@TheWoodsman661 …. i gave my 064 to my neighbor for 10 minutes and when I came back, it was smoking and no compression. I took it to the Stihl dealer to give me a price for rebuild or get a new saw and he said it was well worth the $800 OEM rebuild. I’ve had it back a year and it’s a beast. It is heavy, ugly and eats wood with an angry attitude, gives me a workout. I think the other old big saw still serviceable is the 046, Stihl still makes OEM pistons and jugs for it I believe.
Yep, love the 400, I have one, but for the performance I demand, it needs a sharp chain, a muffler mod (like Bark Box or Straight Shot) and don't run more than 20" bar. Need more? Then go for a lot more diaplacement.
What's nice about the 7310 is the ability to replace the rotating assembly in about 15 mins....and for about $80.... Not that you want a saw to blow up. But if it does you can do this as a beginner mechanic easily. The 400 is a 2-3 hr rebuild, very sizable teardown...and around $250
@nothanks9050 i am about to get a 7310. Discovered it's existence trying to find videos on the Timberwolf i had no knowledge of the designation for saws at the time so I just type in echo timberwolf and since UA-cam has a shopping section on top of the page guess what I saw the 7310 however I didn't get a name since it just said x-cut series i have now had three different chainsaws in my hands now my first was an echo looks like I'll bind it with my husqvarna excuse the rambling i was just speaking on how I discovered this creation
I appreciate that man! I’m sure they’ll be much more useful when I get my saw back that’s ported and can handle those aggressive things. I usually cut oak and pecan around where I’m at so they aren’t a huge help but they help a lot when I’m doing a sideways cut like on the trunk. They were like 40 bucks
Of course, all chainsaws have a sweet spot where they perform flawlessly. A chainsaw has got to know its' limitations... That Stihl is 7cc's smaller so there is over a 10% difference in size.....
I have learned so much from you! You're personality is a lot like mine lol 😆 I too have lots of saws and sawmill ext ext! Love the nursing home set up you guys have! Supper cool! I started a channel about chainsawmilling and building with ruff cut! Love your channel I never miss a episode!!!
I’ve been eyeing both these models because they are only $25 difference. Dealer I use sells both echo and stihl. My only issue is I have an 036 that I love but I know if I bought the 400 I’d probably never pick up the 036 again. Saw mechanic said the echo pulls like an 044 and everyone that’s bought one loves theirs.
The Echo needs a port job. Without it...meh. not bad at all, but feels kinda big and heavy for that amount of power. But with a port job...You're blown away. It's amazing. If you're looking for a big saw, get the Echo and then down the road, port it. If you're looking for a medium saw... get the 400 and just love it for what it is.
io non capisco ma di iqueste motoseghe servono per tagliare legna oppure per andare in pista a indianapolis?🤔 si vede ad occhio nudo che la lama della Echo non taaglia bene.....io ho acquistato la 6210x ha uuna potenza ai tronchi gli fa la barba pelo e contro pelo.
@@Moosehound597 it’s supposed to be “out of the box” so there goes the filing comments. But yes, I agree. It really needs to be a fresh file job before ANY cuts for it to be fair.
I work with a 400 and own a 7310. The 400 is a great medium saw in terms of weight and power. It feels like what a 362 should be. However, interior only (and small) dogs and no full wrap option feels bad for a 60 + CC saw. The 7310 is a big, heavy saw. It's weak for its size/weight out of the box. However, it does everything else right. The torque is great, the dogs are good, there is a full wrap option etc. It feels like the person who designed the saw uses chainsaws. IMO, Stihls generally need a more aggressive set of dogs, but that's about it and you've got a good saw. In contrast, Echos need to be ported, which is much more involved, but once ported they are amazing.
OK I stopped by my dealer hour ago that carries both echo and sthil price of them both was same which one would u recommend running say 5 hours a day that's with 24in bar on both power weight economics hard oak etc
24" bar and no bigger...400c all the way. But if your gonna slap a bigger bar, like 28" or 32"...7310 for sure. And once ported, the 7310 is very hard to beat.
@@novicelumberjack ok ya if i go to 28 or bigger have my redmax 7100 for that have ran it with 28 before had 2 trees the 28 and 20 on one of saws i had at that time wasnt big enough to cut through it one was a 180year old live oak and a piss elm
Is it the most powerful saw you have? Because...it's power is really put into perspective when you run something with much more power and you quickly realize...oh- what I thought was powerful, was actually just kinda mediocre. I really like the 7310, but they are not known to be powerful saws in stock form. I used to think a 455 Rancher was really powerful.
@@novicelumberjack 500i is the biggest I've got. My 7310 on some days will out cut it and of course it's the other way around. I know all saws are not the same and not tuned the same. But when I first got my 7310 during break in stage it was very sluggish.(fat) after it broke in and I tuned it HELLO.
The Stihl didnt want to go down through the wood with pressure on it the saw bogged so if it had a more aggressive chain it would've really bogged down
That's the whole point is to cut bigger chunks and not press down hard on the saw you got those saws revving to the moon and spitting out saw dust that's how you smoke a bar
It is a VERY nice saw, but...still a bit too pricey. I'm not really complaining though. I'd rather have it than probably anything else you could buy for a grand. So yeah.
Why in the heck didn’t Stihl have enough freaking brains to incorporate the ccs into the model #. People that don’t know their product line have no idea what size their saw is!!
stihl as a company does suck now. stihl pro saws are hard to beat overall. they are overpriced though. the homeowner saws like the 311 - 391 are overpriced crap! might be the worst cylinder design ever. the e.p.a. sure the hell has not made life any easier on the manufacturers. these a$$wipes making the regs. have probably never picked up a saw
@@andrewslagle1974 ya the 400 and the echo was around 1100 where I live here in TX trying to see which one to get running several hours a day thinking leaning towards the sthil because has power of my redmax 7100/ Husqvarna 372 but close to weight of my 545 which run 90 of time but like have a 24plus bar OK one that's light weight and I can run several hours a day and seems like the sthil be a good fit
@@andrewslagle1974 Shop around, i got my 7310 for $849 just a couple weeks ago. The deals are out there. Some of the dealers are gouging the customers.
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I used to be 440 460 stihl guy, then when I tried a husqvarna 562xp when it first came out I switched, but that 400c has changed my outlook AGAIN, it's a very good saw.
This video along with several other reviews on multiple comparable saws in this category (mainly Husq, Stihl, and Echo) all lead me to realize the solid American built Echo is what I want to purchase, thank you!
Echo is Japaneese built 😊
@@md-fq9ye Correction, Echo is a subsidiary of a Japanese company that makes some parts and models, Echo is a company out of Illinois that still manufactures and assembles most of the equipment sold in the U.S.
@@ErelasInglormaybe some stuff but not my 590, my 330EVL, my 620p my 3020T or my PPT2620 all made in Japan
@@Nick-hb3sk Just bought a new CS-590 Timberwolf and it was completely built in the U.S. When was yours made?
The more I watch new saws.... I’m glad I still have my ancient 064... and it is still dependable and serviceable..
I'd love to have an 064 and 084. Then again, I like the older saws in general.
@@TheWoodsman661 …. i gave my 064 to my neighbor for 10 minutes and when I came back, it was smoking and no compression. I took it to the Stihl dealer to give me a price for rebuild or get a new saw and he said it was well worth the $800 OEM rebuild. I’ve had it back a year and it’s a beast. It is heavy, ugly and eats wood with an angry attitude, gives me a workout. I think the other old big saw still serviceable is the 046, Stihl still makes OEM pistons and jugs for it I believe.
Love the videos. The stihl400s are hard to beat. Can't wait to see how it turns out
If I ever bought another new Stihl it would be the 400c only.
Yep, love the 400, I have one, but for the performance I demand, it needs a sharp chain, a muffler mod (like Bark Box or Straight Shot) and don't run more than 20" bar. Need more? Then go for a lot more diaplacement.
What's nice about the 7310 is the ability to replace the rotating assembly in about 15 mins....and for about $80....
Not that you want a saw to blow up. But if it does you can do this as a beginner mechanic easily.
The 400 is a 2-3 hr rebuild, very sizable teardown...and around $250
What's really nice is the 7310 is a tank and you'll probably never need to. Just don't lend it to the neighbour, straight gas Gary!
@nothanks9050 i am about to get a 7310. Discovered it's existence trying to find videos on the Timberwolf i had no knowledge of the designation for saws at the time so I just type in echo timberwolf and since UA-cam has a shopping section on top of the page guess what I saw the 7310 however I didn't get a name since it just said x-cut series i have now had three different chainsaws in my hands now my first was an echo looks like I'll bind it with my husqvarna excuse the rambling i was just speaking on how I discovered this creation
My 400 gained a bunch after several tanks ran thru it
The echo looks sick I like those three point dogs on there
You can get them from westcoastsaws
I appreciate that man! I’m sure they’ll be much more useful when I get my saw back that’s ported and can handle those aggressive things. I usually cut oak and pecan around where I’m at so they aren’t a huge help but they help a lot when I’m doing a sideways cut like on the trunk. They were like 40 bucks
Of course, all chainsaws have a sweet spot where they perform flawlessly. A chainsaw has got to know its' limitations... That Stihl is 7cc's smaller so there is over a 10% difference in size.....
that echo needs a more aggressive chain as well let chunks fly
I have learned so much from you! You're personality is a lot like mine lol 😆 I too have lots of saws and sawmill ext ext! Love the nursing home set up you guys have! Supper cool! I started a channel about chainsawmilling and building with ruff cut!
Love your channel I never miss a episode!!!
Well I just picked up the ms400c and I have the echo 7310. I have 20 inch and 24 inch bars. I have 28 and 32 inch bars. But I also have the cs800p
Which is your go to, and how's the 400 compare to the others
Looks like the 400 squeaked out the win in the glide down, just by a fuzz
Id like to see a 3 way wack off between these 2 saws and the echo 800p with a 24 and 36 inch bar.
I’ve been eyeing both these models because they are only $25 difference. Dealer I use sells both echo and stihl. My only issue is I have an 036 that I love but I know if I bought the 400 I’d probably never pick up the 036 again. Saw mechanic said the echo pulls like an 044 and everyone that’s bought one loves theirs.
The Echo needs a port job. Without it...meh. not bad at all, but feels kinda big and heavy for that amount of power. But with a port job...You're blown away. It's amazing. If you're looking for a big saw, get the Echo and then down the road, port it. If you're looking for a medium saw... get the 400 and just love it for what it is.
I really enjoy your videos 👊🏻
I like my Echoes and I like Stihl I think Echo is a little better saw but side by side they both cut that’s what interests me.
My money is on Echo, it's cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, very reliable and all Echo saws have a 5 year warranty which is just awesome.
One year commercial warranty still better then battling w the other two brands
@@ChristopherMcDowell-h5f what do you mean battling with the 2 other brands?
I e stihl and there dealer only OEM parts husky is better but still a pain to get warranty
@@ChristopherMcDowell-h5f i see.
io non capisco ma di iqueste motoseghe servono per tagliare legna oppure per andare in pista a indianapolis?🤔 si vede ad occhio nudo che la lama della Echo non taaglia bene.....io ho acquistato la 6210x ha uuna potenza ai tronchi gli fa la barba pelo e contro pelo.
should be running a 462 i would think?
Just comparing what I had in front of me.
Cool comparison. How do you like the Forester Platinum bar for the Echo ?
The echo had to cut using the chain that just had three cuts on hard wood so it wasn’t as sharp as when the still started
If he knows how to sharpen, that's simply not true.
@@Moosehound597 it’s supposed to be “out of the box” so there goes the filing comments. But yes, I agree. It really needs to be a fresh file job before ANY cuts for it to be fair.
@@ToddAdams1234 ok if it's out the box three cuts won't dull that chain is all im saying.
Three cuts won’t dull it no but I can promise you after three back to back cuts in that wood it will not be as sharp as it was out the box
@@Apalm12 I'm not going to argue with someone that probably cuts once a month.
Doing good work brother
Where’s the cut resistance pants??
On the shelf with barbie dolls and stuffed animals.
I work with a 400 and own a 7310.
The 400 is a great medium saw in terms of weight and power. It feels like what a 362 should be. However, interior only (and small) dogs and no full wrap option feels bad for a 60 + CC saw.
The 7310 is a big, heavy saw. It's weak for its size/weight out of the box. However, it does everything else right. The torque is great, the dogs are good, there is a full wrap option etc. It feels like the person who designed the saw uses chainsaws.
IMO, Stihls generally need a more aggressive set of dogs, but that's about it and you've got a good saw. In contrast, Echos need to be ported, which is much more involved, but once ported they are amazing.
My 7310 was weak for about 10 to 12 hrs or 12 fuel ups then power seem to double . Runs a 36in bar with no complaints
Greeating your have machine bro,how much money,that is.
OK I stopped by my dealer hour ago that carries both echo and sthil price of them both was same which one would u recommend running say 5 hours a day that's with 24in bar on both power weight economics hard oak etc
24" bar and no bigger...400c all the way. But if your gonna slap a bigger bar, like 28" or 32"...7310 for sure. And once ported, the 7310 is very hard to beat.
@@novicelumberjack ok ya if i go to 28 or bigger have my redmax 7100 for that have ran it with 28 before had 2 trees the 28 and 20 on one of saws i had at that time wasnt big enough to cut through it one was a 180year old live oak and a piss elm
Timberwolf with a 28 skip all day! In oak, ash, buried!
Running Skip on a 32 on my Echo 600p (same motor). OEM bar ($$).
Slightly nose heavy but handles it like nobody's business 😉
Nice man. I like the echo's stock they do suck. Lol.
The 7310 I got, it's got a 32" on it and it eats oak like it's nothing. It's stock
Is it the most powerful saw you have? Because...it's power is really put into perspective when you run something with much more power and you quickly realize...oh- what I thought was powerful, was actually just kinda mediocre. I really like the 7310, but they are not known to be powerful saws in stock form. I used to think a 455 Rancher was really powerful.
@@novicelumberjack 500i is the biggest I've got. My 7310 on some days will out cut it and of course it's the other way around. I know all saws are not the same and not tuned the same. But when I first got my 7310 during break in stage it was very sluggish.(fat) after it broke in and I tuned it HELLO.
@@johnmullins6946 my 7310 felt like a 50cc saw when new after the break in stage seem like a whole new saw .it's been great
@@johnmullins6946how long was the break in?
amazing chainsaw
that stihl can handle a more aggressive chain all day
The Stihl didnt want to go down through the wood with pressure on it the saw bogged so if it had a more aggressive chain it would've really bogged down
That's the whole point is to cut bigger chunks and not press down hard on the saw you got those saws revving to the moon and spitting out saw dust that's how you smoke a bar
You should have chips spitting out not saw dust the saw was bogging down because your jamming the chain into the bar it called friction
Let saw cut
Did trees for 43 years echo all day
It would be really funny if the ms400 beat the 7310
In smaller to mid size wood it probably will lol
Ms 400c👉👍👍👍👍🏅
IMO the 462 , 362, and 261 are overpriced. The 400c tho seems to be worth every penny. I say u keep it !!
It is a VERY nice saw, but...still a bit too pricey. I'm not really complaining though. I'd rather have it than probably anything else you could buy for a grand. So yeah.
Why in the heck didn’t Stihl have enough freaking brains to incorporate the ccs into the model #. People that don’t know their product line have no idea what size their saw is!!
Stihl sucks I'll never buy another good job keep strokin
stihl as a company does suck now. stihl pro saws are hard to beat overall. they are overpriced though. the homeowner saws like the 311 - 391 are overpriced crap! might be the worst cylinder design ever. the e.p.a. sure the hell has not made life any easier on the manufacturers. these a$$wipes making the regs. have probably never picked up a saw
@@davidgoliath982 biden and the dem marxist party.People keep voting for them .They sure have done wonders in 1.8 years!
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Bullshit i dont believe in these VS .
Echo is a great saw
Where you want your chain shipped??
Text me. 678-603-0052
7cc is a bunch of difference, the echo should beat it!
Compara la echo 7310 con la dolmar makita 7900, si quieres poder y rapidez echo no tiene nada que hacer al lado de esa motosierra.
Echo for the win once again. Echo is cheaper and just as good or better than STEAL!
the 7310s are not cheep any more not much difference in price we just got them a few weeks ago i prefer the stihl that 400 is a great saw!
@@andrewslagle1974 ya the 400 and the echo was around 1100 where I live here in TX trying to see which one to get running several hours a day thinking leaning towards the sthil because has power of my redmax 7100/ Husqvarna 372 but close to weight of my 545 which run 90 of time but like have a 24plus bar OK one that's light weight and I can run several hours a day and seems like the sthil be a good fit
STIHL !!!!!!!!! No STEAL
@@andrewslagle1974 Shop around, i got my 7310 for $849 just a couple weeks ago. The deals are out there. Some of the dealers are gouging the customers.
I must've been lucky I got my echo 7310 ported for 1100 brand new
no dont port that it runs good
ECHO forever.
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