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Yeah. It is pretty obvious that Dave does not know anything about discrimination or even reasonable accommodations if Ramos really wants that ball. Baseball is super unforgiving enough as it is and you can never put an expectation of become a hall of famer or nothing, life does not work like that. That said if Ramos does want that ball, he should be allowed first right of refusal to buy it from Dave if it is for sell in the first place. The social media and personal attention from a player (any player) bit is just pure ego and selfishness on Dave's part.
@@PTANV-x2g Where did I say he was entitled to the ball? I look at from the perspective of a FAN who if given the same opportunity, would give the ball back. But I'm an A's fan who hasn't been hawkin' my own wares in order to elevate my own profile. I'm used to ball players with egos, not fans. Hope you have a great day.
Everyone here is chastising Dave (or worse) for not giving the ball back. Giving him ANY flak for his choice requires some level of entitlement. It’s his ball to do what he wants with. ANY contrary opinion comes from a position of entitlement. Some obviously more than others. FYI, most fans who obtain valuable memorabilia like this cave in to the greed and sell them. The more important and valuable, the more likely that is. You’d very likely be in the same boat if you caught a serious milestone ball worth real money. What you should be doing is respecting a dedicated can and giving him props for saying No, it’s worth more to me to keep it. Baseball needs MORE fans like him, not sellouts.
@@PTANV-x2g Not sure you meant it but that "same boat" comment is actually funny. Ya know? Cuz he's in a boat... Had to highlight that as I did chuckle. I'm well aware of our countries absurd obsession with property and ownership and dang if'n ain't that the real issue... I'm sure he (Dave) is a fine dude, but I just can't feel like he's getting this one wrong. One internet weirdos opinion here so file it with the others; circular file.
Screw Dave. He basically said Heliot hasn't earned it because he hasn't personally kissed his ass enough. The comment about how he'd give it to a player who follows him on social media just goes to show how shallow he is and how it's all for attention. Add this situation to the other controversy on trying to leverage a free parking spot to all games by returning that Braves' home run ball and it's clear that Dave doesn't give a crap about the players or their achievements, just his own notoriety.
What's the ball worth? There's a ball on eBay right now for $10,000 that was used in the Bonds 756 game. Not even the 756 ball. Just a random ball from that game; it's signed by the game umpires as well which probably detracts from the value. The Braves ball is worth at least that much since it's the first ever visitor splash grand slam. They could have paid Dave that amount, which would be like 7 years worth of games at the rate he goes to them; I've spoke to him, he goes to roughly half the games. The Braves are worth nearly $3 billion. They could pay that amount out easily.
I was lucky enough to see that knock N splash on TV. Ramos should offer him a game jersey and that may take the nasty out of this amazing baseball tale.
Great coverage Brodie! I respect Dave's hustle as well and he deserves to celebrate the home run balls that come his way. It's too late now, but he should of been more neutral with his media comments. For example, saying that he intends to keep the ball, but is open to giving it back down the line. He's passionate about what he does, so we gotta recognize that. At the same time, this is a historic baseball too. Being open to giving it back makes sense too, so that Ramos can celebrate history further and the Giants can put up space in the ball park for fans to see and learn history. Brodie, your right, there is still time to make it right. If Dave speaks to the media i recommend he's gotta be more neutral. This day and age, there are too many eyes, ears, and voices. What people say to the media can take a life of it's own.
@@clifford7594 at first I thought he was a guy who just goes to games to have fun like any fan. When balls are hit especially the special ones, I thought he would return them no problem. Apparently he’s like Zack Hample.. now that I know I don’t.
What a terrible, pathetic take. Players are not ENTITLED to get their hits and home runs back. If Dave wants to give it back, that’s up to him. Screw you for hating on him for wanting to keep it.
Very tactful, Brodie. Personally, Dave's comments make me feel embarrassed and disgusted to be a Giants fan. Your 'supporting cast member' comment really nails it. You look at people like ' The Violator' at Raider games. Supporting character, fellow fan, gives back and asks for nothing in return. Krazy George created the f'in WAVE and all he does is show up, bang on a drum, and take pictures with people. The big difference here is that while teams have given little 'perks' as thank yous to their most loyal fans, these people have never once asked for special treatment. They're just happy to be there. This is a gross display of entitlement, and an attempt to stick some greedy hooks where they are not needed. And sure, like Brodie I can ' respect the hustle'. But then, don't call yourself a Giants fan. Call yourself a hustler. Real Giants fans would never act like this, and I hope the Giants respectfully tell Dave to shove that ball, or any ball in the future, up Broadway.
If it was any other Cove Dweller, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But it had to be Dave and his “McCovey Cove Dave” brand that got the ball. Just keep the ball Dave cuz the Giants are not going to Kiss your Kayak to get that ball.
I'm pretty certain Mac Cove Dave is a good guy. I have a soft spot for any truly die hard Giants fan. Really nice report, Brodie. You're a solid human. Heliot has become one of my favorite Giants. The fire Heliot plays with is amazing! On Clemente Day! Viva, Puerto Rico! Reach out, Dave. You've got this, man. I'll stop by the cove and say hey next time I'm in the Bay.
Brodie, I completely understand the gatekeeping of which players get the ball, but it somewhat makes sense. Dave personally knows guys like Pablo, Belt, Pence. Hes gonna have love for his homies, which at the moment ramos is not. Like giving your team of coworkers gifts but not the other teams.
This is how I see it: From Dave's point of view: Yes he indeed caught it and he's caught a collection of different splash hits but does he really deserve it? No. at the end of the day he's just a fan. From Heliot's point of view: Yes he hit it, but this wasn't his first career home run. From Cooperstown's point of view: It wasn't a team accomplishment that was set from New York to Present Day San Francisco. From the Giants point of view: Yes, the ball belongs to them. It was a record set at Oracle Park. The ball should be displayed at the Field Club Gallery for ALL fans to enjoy.
Remember, fan is short for fanatic...the guy in the boat is exhibit A But, unless there's some law saying otherwise, finders keepers, regarding the ball. The guy has a right to be a jerk
Dave is definitely being a bit of a dick, but it's my opinion that unless your name is Zack Hample, any baseball you catch is yours to do whatever you want with.
@zackhample And this right here is an insurmountable comeback, friends. Zack has done more to get fans in the stands and interested in the game than probably any other fan on the planet, and for that he has earned tremendous respect. The haters are just jealous.
@@brodiebrazil That's a fair take too, maybe a compromise of having a temporary display there for Clemente day in the future and have it returned to the team or Heliot
@rynomclaughlin1595 Or, instead of a privileged player getting it back, or a privileged hall of fame, or a privileged collector paying real money for it, maybe it belongs in the hands of a fan who earned it and put his time in as a dedicated enthusiast of the sport. How on earth do all you fools think it isn’t fair for the fan who rightfully got it to keep it as part of his own collection that he personally is responsible for building? There’s MUCH more value in that than a rich collector buying rare pieces, or a player who gets paid big money to play a game already. You people are just twisted.
@crossoneheart but does Heliot even know that Dave exists? Dave is basically right up there (for most fans) with Lou Seal. The waters of the Cove can be treacherous but Dave paddles out braveky, game after game. He should really be on salary out there. It's really sad that Dave doesn't get more attention for his dutiful patrol of the Cove. His ONLY reward is a waterlogged baseball, and Heliot has the gall to want a ball he got paid to hit, just because nobody else has ever done it and he accomplished a goal he set? That ball is worth at LEAST 50k, but the Giants should probably give DAVE a statue. Okay I'll stop now. This whole thing is stupid.
@eddie826 He doesn’t look any more like a jerk than the teams do when they offer tidbits and a pittance in exchange for milestone home run balls. It goes both ways, except the teams and players look WAY worse when they do it because they’re the ones on the well paid and privileged side to start with. The players get paid extremely well to play a game. The fan has to pay to watch it. You tell me who is more entitled to keep these baseballs.
His ego is crazy. He's just a guy lol, he does nothing but make the team and its classy fans look bad. Does he expect Heliot to know every die hard fan that has a social media account and goes to every home game? What a tool.
Yeah, actually players should probably have some idea of who is cheering for them. Giants players should probably know who Dave and Trevor are. A's players should probably know Gabe, Bryan, Paul, and Carl (the LDB guys), Robb Roberts, Will McNeil. Raiders players with Violator, Gorilla Rilla, Javy, Our Lady, and others. A Marlins player should absolutely know about Marlins Man. Sure, the quarter plan holder up in 317 probably doesn't get recognition. But the real superfans can definitely be known.
It never occurred to me that a right hander had not hit a home run into the Cove. The fact it took so long is interesting but not display-in-Cooperstown interesting. If Ramos hasn’t reached out to you then it’s not that important to him to get the ball back. Enjoy your ball.
TRIVIA The original design was made in a way where there were going to be more splash hits. The first renderings had the entire RF & RCF wall directly on the water- like it is directly down the line. Larry Baer consulted with UC Berkeley physics people and the angle of the ballpark was shifted like 30 degrees or something. Also- the original design had the scoreboard on the RF wall.
Giants even put a huge screen on the outside wall so people in the cove can watch the games. Pretty cool. This isn’t the first time Mr. Dave has refused to give a ball back. A few weeks ago he refused to give a first time homerun ball back.
I was sympathetic to "Dave" at first... But the more I read, the more I saw this guy has a big ego. We'll be sure to call his name when we pass by then give him "the finger".
So, a privileged baseball player who gets paid and otherwise rewarded handsomely to play a game, it’s not the absolute height of ego for him to expect to get the ball back that this fan rightfully owns? What a backwards take.
@GDavis49 That’s exactly the point. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of anyone who thinks they get to tell Dave what to do with his baseball, as if someone else’s two cents should matter to him.
Professional athletes will tell you they owe you, and me, and every one else, absolutely nothing. If the fella wants to keep the ball, keep the ball. Folks are totally oblivious the true cost of professional sports these days.
Dave should not have said all of this nonsense, but it's simple for me. If the ball is worth money then the Giants should pay him a fair value for it. Baseball organizations have plenty of money.
@@PTANV-x2g crybaby millionaire ballplayer would love to have a splash ball on his shelf, big deal, the man sits in his kayak for hours and often comes up empty and then these "caring" fans cry the blues that he does not hand over his hard won trophy for some token (like a signed bat and ball). I stand for freedom here not a collective ideology demanding her turn over his prize to anyone, not Giants ownership, not the player who hit it. Would love to hear Ramos stand up and applaud the dogged kayaker who bobs for hours in the sun and under the stars hoping to find a ball. Love to hear Ramos say, I just want to shake his hand and hold the ball after that it's up to him, after all it's his ball now.
I liked when Barry Bonds said it was pretty dope that he could change someone’s life just by hitting a home run that they could catch and sell. THAT is the correct sentiment from a player. Not entitlement and expectation, but congratulations and well wishes to the lucky fan who caught one of his home runs. That’s how all players should see that. They get to bask in the fame and fortune, and count their rewards.. they should be congratulating the lucky fan.
Great video, Brodie, but for the record, I've snagged six home run balls that the players wanted for themselves (including Mike Trout's 1st career homer and A-Rod's 3,000th hit), and I've given ALL OF THEM back. The internet is overflowing with misinformation about me, when in fact I give almost of my baseballs to kids and have also used my collection/platform to raise more than $200,000 for the charity Pitch In For Baseball & Softball.✌
hey zack, thanks for watching. hope you know what i was saying: situation IS similar, (somebody noteworthy for acquiring baseballs), but NOT similar in who each of you are and what you do. nothing more than that. Also: agree with your philosophy on giving the balls back, (or keeping them if you really wanted). but to just be consistent with all the players, not pick & choose favorites & favors. Congrats on all the philanthropy... appreciate your work on that!!
It’s commendable that you gave them back, but it should be pointed out that when you caught A-rod’s 3,000th hit, you correctly slowed things down and didn’t give in to the outrageously entitled people demanding you just give it back for nothing. You understood the value of the ball and got a huge donation for your charity as a result of giving it back. That’s how it should be. This entitlement being spewed by so many here that Dave should just give the ball back without anything in return is just outrageous. If it didn’t have value, they wouldn’t want it back. If it has value beyond the nominal value of a baseball, they absolutely should offer something for it that isn’t insulting. It’s worth more than a random signed bat. People need to understand that part.
I saw a video on milestone baseballs. This year Ohtani hit his first Dodgers home run and the fan who caught it said they would give it to him and all they wanted was to hand it to him personally. The Dodgers declined, but offered for a swap of signed memorabilia. This is because if the player takes the ball they are responsible for paying the taxes. If they can swap the memorabilia they can write the value of what they gave away for the ball. This is probably why Dave requested a jersey with a value of $175 vs memorabilia the Giants were going to report to the IRS as $2,000.
@@redmarauder I did see it on UA-cam, but saw it in April. I believe it was CNBC or Walk Street Journal. I can’t find it now. I do remember the Dodgers offering a swap of memorabilia for Ohtani’s first HR ball and I remember when the fans said they would do it just to meet him they said no. I also remember when Bonds was going for his records they said, you were better off letting the ball drop and if you caught it the best thing you could do is sell it to the person who offers you the most money at the ballpark, because that is when emotions are high and you won’t have to pay an auction house. You saw that with the guys who fought over his 73rd home run ball. They sold it a year later and it was worth a fraction of its original value. After each of Bonds milestone home runs, he always said, “sell it now!”. He never wanted the ball.
WOW. The ego on this fan. Reminds me of the NY Jets fan, fireman something. They think they're bigger than any other fan. This guy doesn't even buy a ticket to the game. Doesn't wear Giants gear. Who buys his merchandise 😂?
I was aware that Dave caught the first righty splash, but was not aware of the controversy. IMO, both the Giants and Dave could try to find some common ground. Not giving Dave a jersey instead of a bat and ball seems silly and cheap. However, it seems clear from the article that Dave loves himself some Dave and feels slighted if players don't know him or reach out to him. Get over yourself, bud. All that said, I agree with Dave when he says he thinks MLB is cheap in terms of what they're willing to give up. We see merch being sold for 10x and 15x what it costs to make. Fans are paying $18 for a decent beer and $18 for a slice of marginal pizza. Parking runs anywhere from $40 to $160 depending on the day/opponent/promotion. We all know what players' salaries are. Profits have never been higher. In all honesty, why is it on a fan (Dave or anyone else) to give up something of value for significantly less, for the love of the game? Does a sports franchise upgrade my ticket, for the love of the game, when I'm in the upper deck while club seats go empty? If Dave has no emotional attachments to these balls, I think he should sell them all for top dollar. Dude puts in the work. You even said you appreciate the hustle, as do I. Fact is, once the ball leaves the yard, it becomes the property of whoever comes up with it. And I certainly wouldn't want anyone telling me what to do with my property. The bottom line is, they don't have to play ball with each other (pun intended), but Dave has what the Giants want. So either pay Dave's price or don't. Just my 2 cents.
my only difficult thing to understand: why would he willingly offer baseballs back for some, but not all the players? either keep them all, or give them all.
@@brodiebrazil Why do you even feel the need to understand that? And who are you to say "either keep them all or give them all"? I'm really not trying to defend the guy as I honestly think he has a big ego and is a bit cringy, but the balls are his property and I don't think anyone should be in the business of telling another man what to do with his property. He said he likes certain players and thus he gives those balls back to them. Cool. Who cares. End of story.
The entitlement of all these people expecting him to just give the ball back, or interjecting as though you should have any say at all, is just mind-blowing to me. Nothing but major Karens. It is up to nobody but Dave what happens to that ball. Nobody else has any say, nor should they. It’s as simple as that.
This got us acting like he's in Jr high. He wants people to like him at much and wants all the attention. He must have not gotten a lot of live at home when he was a kid. Or been liked in school for that matter. So what if a player doesn't follow him on social media. He didn't hit the ball out of the park. All he did was pull it out of the water. If he's a real fan of baseball he'd give the ball back to whatever player it was. That's a special ball for heliot and the Giants. Have some integrity Dave and give the ball back to the player.
Going to 730+ games in the cove for free is not the same as going inside the ballpark and actually paying for tix😂. If that’s the case I can count all the times I drove the ballpark when the lights were on😂
Dave can be described accurately by another four-letter word that begins with D. Huge giants fan sure, but what does he do to support the team? He's in the cove every game. Never buys a ticket. Never at the concession stands. Doesn't even wear Giants gear anymore! Only wears a giant shirt with his own name on it, which is just straight up weird if you ask me. Now he has the audacity to say the Giants owe him something? All he cares about is his own brand. And for the record, lots of people who have interacted with him in the cove say he's a jerk to put it lightly. There used to be dozens of people out there every day on kayaks, now there are hardly any. Barry Bonds retiring certainly played a role in that, but I wonder how many people stopped going out there specifically because Dave. I would be willing to guess that number is a lot bigger than most people might expect. He can keep the ball for all I care. At this point, it is plenty clear what kind of person he is.
For the record, I made this comment before getting to the part where Brodie discussed exactly what Dave said and.... wow. This guy is even more insufferable than I had imagined. I honestly could not believe some of the things he said. He has to earn it? My man, Ramos has spent his entire life working to make the big leagues. He earned it. Thousands of hours in the weight room. Thousands of hours practicing on and off the field. Hundreds of games in the minors, fall league, etc. Already was an all-star in his rookie season. What did Dave do to earn the ball? Buy a kayak and camp in the cove for a decade because he has nothing better to do? Coming to the game with a pre-made, laminated sign for the first right handed splash hit is another big revealing thing for me. Grow up Dave, you're a loser.
Just to be clear, there is in fact no controversy here. There is a guy doing what he wants with his own rightfully owned baseball, and there’s a huge number of Karens showing their outrageous entitlement for all to see.
I disagree. The real heart of the problem is that the players and teams should not even be trying to get these baseballs back at all. Part of the thrill of going to a game as a mere fan is the hope that you might catch a ball. For a very lucky few, there are some special milestones. The player who hit it gets to celebrate it in countless other ways. They get rewarded for it, highlights of it will be played for decades, it will be talked about and celebrated by their teammates, fans, etc.. They get all the glory. The praise. The rewards, monetary and otherwise. Barry Bonds - yes, that Barry Bonds - said it best when he said it was pretty dope that he could change someone’s life just by hitting a home run that they could potentially sell for life-changing money. He understood that was the reward that fan earned by being at the game. Every fan earns their chance at that thrill. It is the height of entitlement and greed for very well rewarded players and teams to expect the fans to give up their reward for being fans. How anyone could see this any other way is totally beyond my comprehension. This should not be a discussion at all. Dave may be unusually arrogant with his “dangling” of the ball, but that perception only exists in the first place because many players and teams have set a precedent for essentially demanding milestone balls back, while offering very little in return. The Ohtani home run at the start of this season is a great example. This shouldn’t even be a thing at all. If I were a player, and someone offered me a milestone home run back, I would want to meet them, shake their hand, take a picture with them if they want, sign some autographs if they want, then tell them that is their ball to keep. They earned it. I had the reward of hitting it and will always remember it. They earned their piece of memorabilia just the same.
Dave’s ego is out of control. “Does Heliot even know I exist?” Dave can go kick rocks with that BS. You’re just a guy in a kayak in the bay. I can do that tomorrow if I wanted to. Anyone can. Not everyone can hit a little white ball with a wooden stick out of a major league stadium. . No wonder the Giants want nothing to do with Dave Dud. Yeah. Dave Dud.
Ok Toyota Moe, you go catch a ball at a game and give it back all you want, then listen to the haters who will chastise you for it. See how you feel then. You have ZERO involvement in this situation and have ZERO say. Period. Deal with it.
I was a big fan of Dave, but after this incident my respect for him is gone. I’ve followed the Giants since the 60’s and this puts him in my negative column, I hope Dave enjoys his 15 minutes of fame, give Heliot the ball.
Can’t people just be a fan anymore. And does he pay to watch games or does he just sit in his kayak waiting for splash hits. He doesn’t even wear team merch. He’s a self promoter with a big ego. Personally I would give as much attention to him as I would any other person that’s puts himself over everybody else. None.
So he doesn’t pay to go to any games he’s just out in the cove and thinks he has a right to the balls? I could see if you were paying the money for tickets and that’s your token or something but to say because they aren’t your “friend” you can’t have the ball is a douch bag move. Also I disagree on giving the balls to the kids if I pay the money for a ticket and catch the ball it’s my choice what to do with it, again unless it’s like this situation where it means something to a player
I was right their in the arcade when it went over. We thought we might get it but it landed right on Dave. As an adult if I got a hr ball that a player wanted back I’d give it back n maybe buy them a beer. Or just give it to kid
if Dave wants to keep it he should keep it. We the fans, spend money at the game, in merchandise etc and the only free things we get are giveaways or balls. So, thats Dave's ball. He is a 415 member he does expend money with his family at Oracle park. Much love to Dave.
agree but dave doesnt actually go to games. He just hangs out in the cove outside the park. He doesnt buy tickets, concessions etc to support the team. But its still his ball
I'm 44 year old with a 7 year old and a 2 year old, I come up to Pac Bell when the Cubs are in town, If I get a ball it's going to my daughters, if I get any extra you bet your ass i'm giving it to a kid. I want to have something made from all the game balls we have got since my oldest daughter was born in 2017.
Michael Harris from the Braves hit his first career grand slam into the cove and Dave refused to give it back to him unless the Giants gave him a job, which they did not.
I usually agree with you are your takes, but not here or any of your takes on this video. His ball he can do what he wants with it. If someone catches a ball hey aren't obligated to give e it to a kid, and Zack Hample isn't a bad dude.
I think I said that... if he kept all the baseballs, that's his thing... no problem. but gatekeeping, being selective? seems like not the best approach.
Personally, I think Dave is mostly right. If a fan is the able to get a historic ball, then they should be able to get a historic pay day if the player wants it bad enough for whatever reason or they should be able to keep it and be allowed to have it authenticated for their personal benefit. Why should a fan be forced to give up a possession of theirs for LESS than it is worth? I don't think you should or even CAN put an arbitrary clause of "being authentic" or putting in enough service time or some character test as that is completely arbitrary and an "eye of the beholder" which is discrimination. If Ramos wants the ball bad enough then he should be given first right of refusal and have to pay above market rate some amount as a premium. As far as loaning the ball out, WHY NOT? If an organization wants it and you want said organization to do things you find acceptable or they can go pound sand, power to that. I will never subscribe to making yourself the center of attention just because "you can". That to me is one of the greatest failings of American society, that everyone successful is only ever successful for their personal gain at the expense of everyone else, and that to me is the core human failing that has led to nearly every problem America is dealing with today. Ramos should not have to wait 10 years to gain your stamp of approval or wait 30+ years for someone to pass on to MAYBE be remembered in a will.
I'll give Dave a bit of the benefit of the doubt if the Giants indeed haven't approached him. But, yeah, if you know the player wants it then you know what the right thing to do is. This isn't a ball that you can retire on.
If it has enough value to want it back, they need to offer something of comparable value to get it back. They are NOT entitled to get it back for nothing.
Not to mention, some people actually keep their memorabilia and such. I’ve never sold a single thing that I’ve gotten at a game, and I’ve been going for nearly two decades now. Season tickets in SF for years, caught hundreds of balls at games, got tons of the giveaway items, bobbleheads, hats, etc.. still have it all. Some people are true fans and collectors. Dave pretty obviously is.
@@PTANV-x2g I didn't suggest give it for nothing. Let's put it this way, if I could a HR ball that that I knew the player likely wanted (e.g. first hit, first HR, etc.) and nobody from the team approached me, then I would approach the team.
I can understand why the Giants don't want to deal with this guy. He's trying to use their product to promote himself. The Giants didn't ask for it, and they don't need it.
They asked he said No, move on. If you want museum stuff just save the batting gloves, glove, uniform, shoes etc…it’s all the same. Yes some people probably want unrealistic things for exchange for a ball. Nothing is sadder than hearing stories about people who gave balls back to get a hat or shirt. It’s nice when they can give little back to fan signed bats, hats, ball etc…even tickets or a meet and greet with players. For anything that’s MLB historic like monumental record heck I wouldn’t give it back. Sell Sell sell
I’m on McCovey Cove Dave’s side for now. He did the work and players or the team getting the balls back is not a right. Sure Dave could be a bigger fan and have lower standards for giving back the balls, but he isn’t obligated to. I’ll bet he’s a much bigger and more dedicated fan than all those that have criticized him. I also partially disagree with Brody… I feel like the media is leaning toward throwing Dave under the bus.
Correct! The fans are entitled to keep any ball that makes it into their hands legitimately. Dave absolutely earned the right to keep that ball. PERIOD. There is NO contrary position to this that has any standing whatsoever.
fuck giving the ball to a kid. i caught my first ball in my life tonight at 29 years old and no way in hell would i give it to one of them kids playing on their phone the whole game.
@@PTANV-x2g not this specific ball, he just compared the situation to giving a ball to a kid sitting by you when you get one. which i think is a stupid expectation for anyone to have.
So is Dave someone special that players need to bend backwards for ? What a creep, I’d honestly consider banning him now for sounding like psycho sick freak. He said everything right till that, those baseballs are his absolutely, but he doesn’t have to go to weird levels to for giving them back. I forgot he paid their salary
Reminds me of that poseur Zach Hample or any of the so called "superfans" (usually self named) who think people are there to watch them rather than the game itself.
If I was there & got the ball,I will give it back to the Giants. One its right thing to do. Like I was Busch Stadium & got a ball. If was key moment like tying run or win,or players first or his 200th. I will give it back. It was just regular home run I will keep it. This ball was not regular home run. I think Dave is being crazy & should give ball back.
I don't know anything about this guy. This video is the first time I'm hearing about it, but this guy sounds like a narcissist. I don't know if it's possible but I think the Giants and other teams are going to end up marking all the balls with like a QR code or something that says this is property of Xyz Team and must be surrendered upon request. Keeping a ball should be considered a privilege not a right. This is the kind of thing that ruins fun for everyone.
"Keeping a ball should be considered a privilege not a right". Umm, I'm pretty sure your way of thinking is what would ruin the fun for everyone, not some fan in a kayak catching baseballs lol.
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The gatekeeping lens was a great way to look at this. Not a Giants fan but yikes, that quote from him was something else. Great work as always man.
Yeah. It is pretty obvious that Dave does not know anything about discrimination or even reasonable accommodations if Ramos really wants that ball. Baseball is super unforgiving enough as it is and you can never put an expectation of become a hall of famer or nothing, life does not work like that. That said if Ramos does want that ball, he should be allowed first right of refusal to buy it from Dave if it is for sell in the first place. The social media and personal attention from a player (any player) bit is just pure ego and selfishness on Dave's part.
EXPECTING to get that baseball back or be entitled to it is MAJOR EGO on the part of the player. How on earth do you not see that???
@@PTANV-x2g Where did I say he was entitled to the ball? I look at from the perspective of a FAN who if given the same opportunity, would give the ball back. But I'm an A's fan who hasn't been hawkin' my own wares in order to elevate my own profile. I'm used to ball players with egos, not fans. Hope you have a great day.
Everyone here is chastising Dave (or worse) for not giving the ball back. Giving him ANY flak for his choice requires some level of entitlement. It’s his ball to do what he wants with. ANY contrary opinion comes from a position of entitlement. Some obviously more than others.
FYI, most fans who obtain valuable memorabilia like this cave in to the greed and sell them. The more important and valuable, the more likely that is. You’d very likely be in the same boat if you caught a serious milestone ball worth real money. What you should be doing is respecting a dedicated can and giving him props for saying No, it’s worth more to me to keep it. Baseball needs MORE fans like him, not sellouts.
@@PTANV-x2g Not sure you meant it but that "same boat" comment is actually funny. Ya know? Cuz he's in a boat... Had to highlight that as I did chuckle.
I'm well aware of our countries absurd obsession with property and ownership and dang if'n ain't that the real issue... I'm sure he (Dave) is a fine dude, but I just can't feel like he's getting this one wrong. One internet weirdos opinion here so file it with the others; circular file.
Crazy that it took 24 years for this accomplishment…I mean splash hits are incredibly hard to do but I for some reason thought it happened already
Screw Dave. He basically said Heliot hasn't earned it because he hasn't personally kissed his ass enough. The comment about how he'd give it to a player who follows him on social media just goes to show how shallow he is and how it's all for attention. Add this situation to the other controversy on trying to leverage a free parking spot to all games by returning that Braves' home run ball and it's clear that Dave doesn't give a crap about the players or their achievements, just his own notoriety.
What's the ball worth? There's a ball on eBay right now for $10,000 that was used in the Bonds 756 game. Not even the 756 ball. Just a random ball from that game; it's signed by the game umpires as well which probably detracts from the value. The Braves ball is worth at least that much since it's the first ever visitor splash grand slam. They could have paid Dave that amount, which would be like 7 years worth of games at the rate he goes to them; I've spoke to him, he goes to roughly half the games. The Braves are worth nearly $3 billion. They could pay that amount out easily.
What is Dave's backstory? Is he a lawyer? He sure demands and commands a lot of respect. He's a huge one up guy.
I was lucky enough to see that knock N splash on TV. Ramos should offer him a game jersey and that may take the nasty out of this amazing baseball tale.
Great coverage Brodie! I respect Dave's hustle as well and he deserves to celebrate the home run balls that come his way. It's too late now, but he should of been more neutral with his media comments. For example, saying that he intends to keep the ball, but is open to giving it back down the line. He's passionate about what he does, so we gotta recognize that. At the same time, this is a historic baseball too. Being open to giving it back makes sense too, so that Ramos can celebrate history further and the Giants can put up space in the ball park for fans to see and learn history.
Brodie, your right, there is still time to make it right. If Dave speaks to the media i recommend he's gotta be more neutral. This day and age, there are too many eyes, ears, and voices. What people say to the media can take a life of it's own.
I have no respect for that guy anymore. Give Ramos the ball…
You had respect for this guy?
@@clifford7594 at first I thought he was a guy who just goes to games to have fun like any fan. When balls are hit especially the special ones, I thought he would return them no problem. Apparently he’s like Zack Hample.. now that I know I don’t.
I don't think Ramos cares. 😅
@@geraldponce8336 in the interview he said he would love to get the ball and he’s willing to trade for it
What a terrible, pathetic take. Players are not ENTITLED to get their hits and home runs back. If Dave wants to give it back, that’s up to him. Screw you for hating on him for wanting to keep it.
Very tactful, Brodie. Personally, Dave's comments make me feel embarrassed and disgusted to be a Giants fan. Your 'supporting cast member' comment really nails it. You look at people like ' The Violator' at Raider games. Supporting character, fellow fan, gives back and asks for nothing in return. Krazy George created the f'in WAVE and all he does is show up, bang on a drum, and take pictures with people.
The big difference here is that while teams have given little 'perks' as thank yous to their most loyal fans, these people have never once asked for special treatment. They're just happy to be there. This is a gross display of entitlement, and an attempt to stick some greedy hooks where they are not needed. And sure, like Brodie I can ' respect the hustle'. But then, don't call yourself a Giants fan. Call yourself a hustler. Real Giants fans would never act like this, and I hope the Giants respectfully tell Dave to shove that ball, or any ball in the future, up Broadway.
If it was any other Cove Dweller, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But it had to be Dave and his “McCovey Cove Dave” brand that got the ball.
Just keep the ball Dave cuz the Giants are not going to Kiss your Kayak to get that ball.
He should have just stopped at "I keep most home run balls"
I'm pretty certain Mac Cove Dave is a good guy. I have a soft spot for any truly die hard Giants fan. Really nice report, Brodie. You're a solid human. Heliot has become one of my favorite Giants. The fire Heliot plays with is amazing! On Clemente Day! Viva, Puerto Rico! Reach out, Dave. You've got this, man. I'll stop by the cove and say hey next time I'm in the Bay.
He's an attention seeking troll. The fact that he thinks he controls the situation is a joke.
I mean, he has the ball
He DOES control the situation. Only an entitled Karen thinks otherwise.
Why are you giving Dave oxygen. Don’t feed the Troll.
He’s dug himself a hole so deep that his ego can’t get out off.
stick around for the advice!
Brodie, I completely understand the gatekeeping of which players get the ball, but it somewhat makes sense. Dave personally knows guys like Pablo, Belt, Pence. Hes gonna have love for his homies, which at the moment ramos is not. Like giving your team of coworkers gifts but not the other teams.
This is how I see it:
From Dave's point of view: Yes he indeed caught it and he's caught a collection of different splash hits but does he really deserve it? No. at the end of the day he's just a fan.
From Heliot's point of view: Yes he hit it, but this wasn't his first career home run.
From Cooperstown's point of view: It wasn't a team accomplishment that was set from New York to Present Day San Francisco.
From the Giants point of view: Yes, the ball belongs to them. It was a record set at Oracle Park. The ball should be displayed at the Field Club Gallery for ALL fans to enjoy.
The Giants don't count opposing teams splash hits... I wonder what that number would be if they did?
181. 105 from the Giants, 76 from opposing teams.
i dont know any opposing right hander who had splash hit though
@@lalakerspro There are none.
@@GrahamSlam Are you still doing any hockey scouting?
Remember, fan is short for fanatic...the guy in the boat is exhibit A
But, unless there's some law saying otherwise, finders keepers, regarding the ball. The guy has a right to be a jerk
He’s not even being a jerk. It’s his ball to keep, not anyone else’s to take away from him.
Dave is definitely being a bit of a dick, but it's my opinion that unless your name is Zack Hample, any baseball you catch is yours to do whatever you want with.
Dearest Eli: I've always given home run balls to the players who wanted them -- including Trout's 1st and A-Rod's 3,000th hit. 😘
@zackhample And this right here is an insurmountable comeback, friends. Zack has done more to get fans in the stands and interested in the game than probably any other fan on the planet, and for that he has earned tremendous respect. The haters are just jealous.
My honest opinion is that the ball, bat and jersey belongs in Cooperstown
fair take, but i think it means more in SF than new york buried among so much else
Fan should just keep it. It's not like it was the ball that won a world series
@@brodiebrazil That's a fair take too, maybe a compromise of having a temporary display there for Clemente day in the future and have it returned to the team or Heliot
@rynomclaughlin1595 Or, instead of a privileged player getting it back, or a privileged hall of fame, or a privileged collector paying real money for it, maybe it belongs in the hands of a fan who earned it and put his time in as a dedicated enthusiast of the sport. How on earth do all you fools think it isn’t fair for the fan who rightfully got it to keep it as part of his own collection that he personally is responsible for building? There’s MUCH more value in that than a rich collector buying rare pieces, or a player who gets paid big money to play a game already. You people are just twisted.
"I have to see first if the guy who hit the ball is worthy and gives me enough attention ☝️🤓"
There's a way for everyone to save face here. Ramos should offer to make a contribution to a youth baseball organization in exchange for the ball.
Why would Ramos try to save face here? He didn’t do anything wrong. This is all on Dave to be honest he is the one who can make this right
@crossoneheart but does Heliot even know that Dave exists? Dave is basically right up there (for most fans) with Lou Seal. The waters of the Cove can be treacherous but Dave paddles out braveky, game after game. He should really be on salary out there.
It's really sad that Dave doesn't get more attention for his dutiful patrol of the Cove. His ONLY reward is a waterlogged baseball, and Heliot has the gall to want a ball he got paid to hit, just because nobody else has ever done it and he accomplished a goal he set? That ball is worth at LEAST 50k, but the Giants should probably give DAVE a statue.
Okay I'll stop now. This whole thing is stupid.
@crossoneheart What?? What an outrageous, confused and backwards take 🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@PTANV-x2g My suggestion was to give Dave an off-ramp here so he doesn't look like a jerk.
@eddie826 He doesn’t look any more like a jerk than the teams do when they offer tidbits and a pittance in exchange for milestone home run balls. It goes both ways, except the teams and players look WAY worse when they do it because they’re the ones on the well paid and privileged side to start with. The players get paid extremely well to play a game. The fan has to pay to watch it. You tell me who is more entitled to keep these baseballs.
Nice editing on videos looks very professional
His ego is crazy. He's just a guy lol, he does nothing but make the team and its classy fans look bad. Does he expect Heliot to know every die hard fan that has a social media account and goes to every home game? What a tool.
Yeah, actually players should probably have some idea of who is cheering for them. Giants players should probably know who Dave and Trevor are. A's players should probably know Gabe, Bryan, Paul, and Carl (the LDB guys), Robb Roberts, Will McNeil. Raiders players with Violator, Gorilla Rilla, Javy, Our Lady, and others. A Marlins player should absolutely know about Marlins Man. Sure, the quarter plan holder up in 317 probably doesn't get recognition. But the real superfans can definitely be known.
The sad thing is, @tecateplane, yes, he does expect that. It's how he thinks.
Screw Dave. Let him pound sand.
He’s gonna keep pounding baseballs I suspect, and there’s nothing you mindless haters can do about it except sit and seethe.
It never occurred to me that a right hander had not hit a home run into the Cove. The fact it took so long is interesting but not display-in-Cooperstown interesting. If Ramos hasn’t reached out to you then it’s not that important to him to get the ball back. Enjoy your ball.
TRIVIA The original design was made in a way where there were going to be more splash hits. The first renderings had the entire RF & RCF wall directly on the water- like it is directly down the line. Larry Baer consulted with UC Berkeley physics people and the angle of the ballpark was shifted like 30 degrees or something. Also- the original design had the scoreboard on the RF wall.
*The OG design was gonna be windy like Candlestick so it was angled to protect the ballpark from wind- minus the LF bleachers of course.
Giants even put a huge screen on the outside wall so people in the cove can watch the games. Pretty cool. This isn’t the first time Mr. Dave has refused to give a ball back. A few weeks ago he refused to give a first time homerun ball back.
You should be a reporter too the Sf Giants
That would be a bridge too far, I think.
I was sympathetic to "Dave" at first...
But the more I read, the more I saw this guy has a big ego. We'll be sure to call his name when we pass by then give him "the finger".
So, a privileged baseball player who gets paid and otherwise rewarded handsomely to play a game, it’s not the absolute height of ego for him to expect to get the ball back that this fan rightfully owns? What a backwards take.
@@PTANV-x2g kinda like adding your two cents to every comment 🙄
@GDavis49 That’s exactly the point. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of anyone who thinks they get to tell Dave what to do with his baseball, as if someone else’s two cents should matter to him.
Professional athletes will tell you they owe you, and me, and every one else, absolutely nothing. If the fella wants to keep the ball, keep the ball. Folks are totally oblivious the true cost of professional sports these days.
This!! So much this!!!
Dave should not have said all of this nonsense, but it's simple for me. If the ball is worth money then the Giants should pay him a fair value for it. Baseball organizations have plenty of money.
Not a controversy. A news story… a conversation piece… sure. But no controversy here.
It's his ball - he owes Ramos nothing.
This is the ONLY correct take. Period.
@@PTANV-x2g crybaby millionaire ballplayer would love to have a splash ball on his shelf, big deal, the man sits in his kayak for hours and often comes up empty and then these "caring" fans cry the blues that he does not hand over his hard won trophy for some token (like a signed bat and ball). I stand for freedom here not a collective ideology demanding her turn over his prize to anyone, not Giants ownership, not the player who hit it. Would love to hear Ramos stand up and applaud the dogged kayaker who bobs for hours in the sun and under the stars hoping to find a ball. Love to hear Ramos say, I just want to shake his hand and hold the ball after that it's up to him, after all it's his ball now.
I liked when Barry Bonds said it was pretty dope that he could change someone’s life just by hitting a home run that they could catch and sell. THAT is the correct sentiment from a player. Not entitlement and expectation, but congratulations and well wishes to the lucky fan who caught one of his home runs. That’s how all players should see that. They get to bask in the fame and fortune, and count their rewards.. they should be congratulating the lucky fan.
@@PTANV-x2g absolutely. No question!!
agree. so just keep it. don't dangle any offers or trades for friendship.
Great video, Brodie, but for the record, I've snagged six home run balls that the players wanted for themselves (including Mike Trout's 1st career homer and A-Rod's 3,000th hit), and I've given ALL OF THEM back. The internet is overflowing with misinformation about me, when in fact I give almost of my baseballs to kids and have also used my collection/platform to raise more than $200,000 for the charity Pitch In For Baseball & Softball.✌
hey zack, thanks for watching. hope you know what i was saying: situation IS similar, (somebody noteworthy for acquiring baseballs), but NOT similar in who each of you are and what you do. nothing more than that. Also: agree with your philosophy on giving the balls back, (or keeping them if you really wanted). but to just be consistent with all the players, not pick & choose favorites & favors. Congrats on all the philanthropy... appreciate your work on that!!
It’s commendable that you gave them back, but it should be pointed out that when you caught A-rod’s 3,000th hit, you correctly slowed things down and didn’t give in to the outrageously entitled people demanding you just give it back for nothing. You understood the value of the ball and got a huge donation for your charity as a result of giving it back. That’s how it should be.
This entitlement being spewed by so many here that Dave should just give the ball back without anything in return is just outrageous. If it didn’t have value, they wouldn’t want it back. If it has value beyond the nominal value of a baseball, they absolutely should offer something for it that isn’t insulting. It’s worth more than a random signed bat. People need to understand that part.
I saw a video on milestone baseballs. This year Ohtani hit his first Dodgers home run and the fan who caught it said they would give it to him and all they wanted was to hand it to him personally. The Dodgers declined, but offered for a swap of signed memorabilia. This is because if the player takes the ball they are responsible for paying the taxes. If they can swap the memorabilia they can write the value of what they gave away for the ball. This is probably why Dave requested a jersey with a value of $175 vs memorabilia the Giants were going to report to the IRS as $2,000.
Video on UA-cam or elsewhere? That'd be a fun one to watch.
@@redmarauder I did see it on UA-cam, but saw it in April. I believe it was CNBC or Walk Street Journal. I can’t find it now. I do remember the Dodgers offering a swap of memorabilia for Ohtani’s first HR ball and I remember when the fans said they would do it just to meet him they said no. I also remember when Bonds was going for his records they said, you were better off letting the ball drop and if you caught it the best thing you could do is sell it to the person who offers you the most money at the ballpark, because that is when emotions are high and you won’t have to pay an auction house. You saw that with the guys who fought over his 73rd home run ball. They sold it a year later and it was worth a fraction of its original value. After each of Bonds milestone home runs, he always said, “sell it now!”. He never wanted the ball.
If that’s true, it’s insane. An entitled player not being willing to pay a few bucks to get a ball back means NO BALL FOR YOU!!
WOW. The ego on this fan. Reminds me of the NY Jets fan, fireman something. They think they're bigger than any other fan. This guy doesn't even buy a ticket to the game. Doesn't wear Giants gear. Who buys his merchandise 😂?
I was aware that Dave caught the first righty splash, but was not aware of the controversy. IMO, both the Giants and Dave could try to find some common ground. Not giving Dave a jersey instead of a bat and ball seems silly and cheap. However, it seems clear from the article that Dave loves himself some Dave and feels slighted if players don't know him or reach out to him. Get over yourself, bud.
All that said, I agree with Dave when he says he thinks MLB is cheap in terms of what they're willing to give up. We see merch being sold for 10x and 15x what it costs to make. Fans are paying $18 for a decent beer and $18 for a slice of marginal pizza. Parking runs anywhere from $40 to $160 depending on the day/opponent/promotion. We all know what players' salaries are. Profits have never been higher.
In all honesty, why is it on a fan (Dave or anyone else) to give up something of value for significantly less, for the love of the game? Does a sports franchise upgrade my ticket, for the love of the game, when I'm in the upper deck while club seats go empty? If Dave has no emotional attachments to these balls, I think he should sell them all for top dollar. Dude puts in the work. You even said you appreciate the hustle, as do I. Fact is, once the ball leaves the yard, it becomes the property of whoever comes up with it. And I certainly wouldn't want anyone telling me what to do with my property. The bottom line is, they don't have to play ball with each other (pun intended), but Dave has what the Giants want. So either pay Dave's price or don't. Just my 2 cents.
my only difficult thing to understand: why would he willingly offer baseballs back for some, but not all the players? either keep them all, or give them all.
@@brodiebrazil Why do you even feel the need to understand that? And who are you to say "either keep them all or give them all"? I'm really not trying to defend the guy as I honestly think he has a big ego and is a bit cringy, but the balls are his property and I don't think anyone should be in the business of telling another man what to do with his property. He said he likes certain players and thus he gives those balls back to them. Cool. Who cares. End of story.
The entitlement of all these people expecting him to just give the ball back, or interjecting as though you should have any say at all, is just mind-blowing to me. Nothing but major Karens. It is up to nobody but Dave what happens to that ball. Nobody else has any say, nor should they. It’s as simple as that.
This got us acting like he's in Jr high. He wants people to like him at much and wants all the attention. He must have not gotten a lot of live at home when he was a kid. Or been liked in school for that matter. So what if a player doesn't follow him on social media. He didn't hit the ball out of the park. All he did was pull it out of the water. If he's a real fan of baseball he'd give the ball back to whatever player it was. That's a special ball for heliot and the Giants. Have some integrity Dave and give the ball back to the player.
Going to 730+ games in the cove for free is not the same as going inside the ballpark and actually paying for tix😂. If that’s the case I can count all the times I drove the ballpark when the lights were on😂
Meaningless drivel. It’s his ball, he gets to do with it what he wants.
Anyone remember the movie "The Fan" 😂
Now do you care???
bro hes gone mad with power wth!
Dave can be described accurately by another four-letter word that begins with D. Huge giants fan sure, but what does he do to support the team? He's in the cove every game. Never buys a ticket. Never at the concession stands. Doesn't even wear Giants gear anymore! Only wears a giant shirt with his own name on it, which is just straight up weird if you ask me. Now he has the audacity to say the Giants owe him something? All he cares about is his own brand. And for the record, lots of people who have interacted with him in the cove say he's a jerk to put it lightly. There used to be dozens of people out there every day on kayaks, now there are hardly any. Barry Bonds retiring certainly played a role in that, but I wonder how many people stopped going out there specifically because Dave. I would be willing to guess that number is a lot bigger than most people might expect. He can keep the ball for all I care. At this point, it is plenty clear what kind of person he is.
For the record, I made this comment before getting to the part where Brodie discussed exactly what Dave said and.... wow. This guy is even more insufferable than I had imagined. I honestly could not believe some of the things he said. He has to earn it? My man, Ramos has spent his entire life working to make the big leagues. He earned it. Thousands of hours in the weight room. Thousands of hours practicing on and off the field. Hundreds of games in the minors, fall league, etc. Already was an all-star in his rookie season. What did Dave do to earn the ball? Buy a kayak and camp in the cove for a decade because he has nothing better to do? Coming to the game with a pre-made, laminated sign for the first right handed splash hit is another big revealing thing for me. Grow up Dave, you're a loser.
I never heard of Dave but I’m not a Giant’s fan but he sounds like Zach Hample ⚾️
I feel like kayaking all of a sudden
Just to be clear, there is in fact no controversy here. There is a guy doing what he wants with his own rightfully owned baseball, and there’s a huge number of Karens showing their outrageous entitlement for all to see.
it's not who rightfully "owns it"... it's how the baseball is being dangled for... something else
I disagree. The real heart of the problem is that the players and teams should not even be trying to get these baseballs back at all. Part of the thrill of going to a game as a mere fan is the hope that you might catch a ball. For a very lucky few, there are some special milestones. The player who hit it gets to celebrate it in countless other ways. They get rewarded for it, highlights of it will be played for decades, it will be talked about and celebrated by their teammates, fans, etc.. They get all the glory. The praise. The rewards, monetary and otherwise. Barry Bonds - yes, that Barry Bonds - said it best when he said it was pretty dope that he could change someone’s life just by hitting a home run that they could potentially sell for life-changing money. He understood that was the reward that fan earned by being at the game. Every fan earns their chance at that thrill. It is the height of entitlement and greed for very well rewarded players and teams to expect the fans to give up their reward for being fans. How anyone could see this any other way is totally beyond my comprehension.
This should not be a discussion at all. Dave may be unusually arrogant with his “dangling” of the ball, but that perception only exists in the first place because many players and teams have set a precedent for essentially demanding milestone balls back, while offering very little in return. The Ohtani home run at the start of this season is a great example. This shouldn’t even be a thing at all. If I were a player, and someone offered me a milestone home run back, I would want to meet them, shake their hand, take a picture with them if they want, sign some autographs if they want, then tell them that is their ball to keep. They earned it. I had the reward of hitting it and will always remember it. They earned their piece of memorabilia just the same.
Take your ball and go home Dave.
McCovey Cove Dave is a customer at my store!
Bruh this shit is crazy 😂😂 dude wants Ramos to kiss his ass
Has Ramos requested the ball back? Seems like Dave is trying to generate all the coverage himself.
100 splash Giants hits. There is more than that. They should count vistor splash hits. If they do its well past 100 splash hits
181 counting visitors.
So he is the Zack Hample of the Cove?
I have so many stories about Dave. That guy is a narcissist.
didn't know that kayaking in McCovey Cove can make you go cookoo in the head
A lot of time spent lonely out there.
Amen Brodie!
Dave’s ego is out of control. “Does Heliot even know I exist?” Dave can go kick rocks with that BS. You’re just a guy in a kayak in the bay. I can do that tomorrow if I wanted to. Anyone can. Not everyone can hit a little white ball with a wooden stick out of a major league stadium. . No wonder the Giants want nothing to do with Dave Dud. Yeah. Dave Dud.
Ok Toyota Moe, you go catch a ball at a game and give it back all you want, then listen to the haters who will chastise you for it. See how you feel then.
You have ZERO involvement in this situation and have ZERO say. Period. Deal with it.
I was a big fan of Dave, but after this incident my respect for him is gone. I’ve followed the Giants since the 60’s and this puts him in my negative column, I hope Dave enjoys his 15 minutes of fame, give Heliot the ball.
Thanks for deciding what he should do with his ball. At this point i would throw it back into the bay
Can’t people just be a fan anymore. And does he pay to watch games or does he just sit in his kayak waiting for splash hits. He doesn’t even wear team merch. He’s a self promoter with a big ego. Personally I would give as much attention to him as I would any other person that’s puts himself over everybody else. None.
So he doesn’t pay to go to any games he’s just out in the cove and thinks he has a right to the balls? I could see if you were paying the money for tickets and that’s your token or something but to say because they aren’t your “friend” you can’t have the ball is a douch bag move. Also I disagree on giving the balls to the kids if I pay the money for a ticket and catch the ball it’s my choice what to do with it, again unless it’s like this situation where it means something to a player
I was right their in the arcade when it went over. We thought we might get it but it landed right on Dave. As an adult if I got a hr ball that a player wanted back I’d give it back n maybe buy them a beer. Or just give it to kid
Cant wait for the 26th 😉 Rangers fans in the house!!
if Dave wants to keep it he should keep it. We the fans, spend money at the game, in merchandise etc and the only free things we get are giveaways or balls. So, thats Dave's ball. He is a 415 member he does expend money with his family at Oracle park. Much love to Dave.
agree but dave doesnt actually go to games. He just hangs out in the cove outside the park. He doesnt buy tickets, concessions etc to support the team. But its still his ball
If no kayak’s were in the cove the ball would of sunk after a minute
I'm 44 year old with a 7 year old and a 2 year old, I come up to Pac Bell when the Cubs are in town, If I get a ball it's going to my daughters, if I get any extra you bet your ass i'm giving it to a kid.
I want to have something made from all the game balls we have got since my oldest daughter was born in 2017.
Michael Harris from the Braves hit his first career grand slam into the cove and Dave refused to give it back to him unless the Giants gave him a job, which they did not.
This is not true
@@CheeseMasterSports how is it not? That’s what was reported.
I usually agree with you are your takes, but not here or any of your takes on this video. His ball he can do what he wants with it. If someone catches a ball hey aren't obligated to give e it to a kid, and Zack Hample isn't a bad dude.
I think I said that... if he kept all the baseballs, that's his thing... no problem. but gatekeeping, being selective? seems like not the best approach.
Hey, thanks for the support!
Personally, I think Dave is mostly right. If a fan is the able to get a historic ball, then they should be able to get a historic pay day if the player wants it bad enough for whatever reason or they should be able to keep it and be allowed to have it authenticated for their personal benefit. Why should a fan be forced to give up a possession of theirs for LESS than it is worth? I don't think you should or even CAN put an arbitrary clause of "being authentic" or putting in enough service time or some character test as that is completely arbitrary and an "eye of the beholder" which is discrimination. If Ramos wants the ball bad enough then he should be given first right of refusal and have to pay above market rate some amount as a premium.
As far as loaning the ball out, WHY NOT? If an organization wants it and you want said organization to do things you find acceptable or they can go pound sand, power to that. I will never subscribe to making yourself the center of attention just because "you can". That to me is one of the greatest failings of American society, that everyone successful is only ever successful for their personal gain at the expense of everyone else, and that to me is the core human failing that has led to nearly every problem America is dealing with today. Ramos should not have to wait 10 years to gain your stamp of approval or wait 30+ years for someone to pass on to MAYBE be remembered in a will.
what if ramos gets traded this winter? is it his fault that he'll never qualify for being a 'great giant' and never get the ball then?
@@brodiebrazil Exactly!
I'll give Dave a bit of the benefit of the doubt if the Giants indeed haven't approached him. But, yeah, if you know the player wants it then you know what the right thing to do is. This isn't a ball that you can retire on.
If it has enough value to want it back, they need to offer something of comparable value to get it back. They are NOT entitled to get it back for nothing.
Not to mention, some people actually keep their memorabilia and such. I’ve never sold a single thing that I’ve gotten at a game, and I’ve been going for nearly two decades now. Season tickets in SF for years, caught hundreds of balls at games, got tons of the giveaway items, bobbleheads, hats, etc.. still have it all. Some people are true fans and collectors. Dave pretty obviously is.
@@PTANV-x2g I didn't suggest give it for nothing. Let's put it this way, if I could a HR ball that that I knew the player likely wanted (e.g. first hit, first HR, etc.) and nobody from the team approached me, then I would approach the team.
How do you even certify the ball at this point?
Excellent point.
Who knows? Maybe there is a shark out there with a pre-shot picture of McCovey Cove Dave's hand in his mouth... 😏
I can understand why the Giants don't want to deal with this guy. He's trying to use their product to promote himself. The Giants didn't ask for it, and they don't need it.
What a dumb take
They asked he said No, move on. If you want museum stuff just save the batting gloves, glove, uniform, shoes etc…it’s all the same. Yes some people probably want unrealistic things for exchange for a ball. Nothing is sadder than hearing stories about people who gave balls back to get a hat or shirt. It’s nice when they can give little back to fan signed bats, hats, ball etc…even tickets or a meet and greet with players. For anything that’s MLB historic like monumental record heck I wouldn’t give it back. Sell Sell sell
It's just a fuggin ball.
I’m on McCovey Cove Dave’s side for now. He did the work and players or the team getting the balls back is not a right. Sure Dave could be a bigger fan and have lower standards for giving back the balls, but he isn’t obligated to. I’ll bet he’s a much bigger and more dedicated fan than all those that have criticized him.
I also partially disagree with Brody… I feel like the media is leaning toward throwing Dave under the bus.
Correct! The fans are entitled to keep any ball that makes it into their hands legitimately. Dave absolutely earned the right to keep that ball. PERIOD. There is NO contrary position to this that has any standing whatsoever.
fuck giving the ball to a kid. i caught my first ball in my life tonight at 29 years old and no way in hell would i give it to one of them kids playing on their phone the whole game.
Apparently you were too glued to your own phone to pay attention to this video. Nobody is talking about giving it to a kid.
@@PTANV-x2g he did at one point towards the end just he just mentioned it
@@PTANV-x2g not this specific ball, he just compared the situation to giving a ball to a kid sitting by you when you get one. which i think is a stupid expectation for anyone to have.
So is Dave someone special that players need to bend backwards for ? What a creep, I’d honestly consider banning him now for sounding like psycho sick freak.
He said everything right till that, those baseballs are his absolutely, but he doesn’t have to go to weird levels to for giving them back. I forgot he paid their salary
Is their a wayland ave Dave in chi ?
His ball. If the millionaires want it, they can pay.
that's not really gate keeping. the guy can do what he wants with the balls
gatekeeping who gets the baseballs back? I agree, if there was a standard of consistency, sure. less of an issue.
Reminds me of that poseur Zach Hample or any of the so called "superfans" (usually self named) who think people are there to watch them rather than the game itself.
I don't think anyone's going to games for ME. That's just silly. I'm just doing my thing and sharing my experiences for anyone who's interested.
Go Mets
If i catch a foul ball and im around kids im keeping it. They have plenty more years to get one than i do lol. Tough life lesson.
Haha true, hey kids I'm old and I don't have much time left. Be a fan for 10 years and maybe when I die you can have it... -Dave
Is Dave full of himself? Yeah. Should Dave keep the ball and sell for a fortune? Yeah.
What a weirdo.
If I was there & got the ball,I will give it back to the Giants. One its right thing to do. Like I was Busch Stadium & got a ball. If was key moment like tying run or win,or players first or his 200th. I will give it back. It was just regular home run I will keep it. This ball was not regular home run. I think Dave is being crazy & should give ball back.
I don't know anything about this guy. This video is the first time I'm hearing about it, but this guy sounds like a narcissist. I don't know if it's possible but I think the Giants and other teams are going to end up marking all the balls with like a QR code or something that says this is property of Xyz Team and must be surrendered upon request. Keeping a ball should be considered a privilege not a right.
This is the kind of thing that ruins fun for everyone.
A ball that is caught by a fan is absolutely his property and right to keep.
"Keeping a ball should be considered a privilege not a right". Umm, I'm pretty sure your way of thinking is what would ruin the fun for everyone, not some fan in a kayak catching baseballs lol.
They replaced you with a DEI hire 😂