The best part is that meant the creature that died abbot...always knew he was going to die always knew that when he went here he wouldn't be trusted and he would be murdered and he still went
Super late reply. I never really thought of it like that. The way I understood it, they do not experience time as we do, and they are essentially living their entire lives all at once. So Abbott didn't "come here to die" as if that is a negative thing. In a sense, he (and all of them) are already dead and have always been already dead, it's just a part of their life that has always been known. One of the reasons I love this movie is because usually when there is time travel involved, it opens up questions about paradoxes and such, and we begin to question how certain things could even be possible. But in this movie, there is an answer for that: We humans cannot contemplate such things because we are only capable of experiencing time linearly. But if we are able to learn the alien's language, we can rewire our brains to unlock a different way of thinking and that would effectively alleviate our confusion. This concept actually does exist in real human languages, where the existence/non-existence of particular words in a language affects how people of that culture think. I remember once reading about a primitive tribe (in Africa maybe? I don't remember) and in their language, there is no word for "right" or "left", only north, south, east, and west. So those people had no sense or concept of right and left, and would refer to their right hand as their "west hand" if it was facing west or "south hand" if it was facing south, and so on. Quite mind boggling.
The way that she catches the ink in her hands after Costello tells her that Abbott is dying…it shows how much she’s empathizing with him and feels his pain as someone who’s become so deeply acquainted with them and their language. This is my favorite scene from one of my favorite movies, and I only just discovered it about a month ago.
Poor Abbott 😢 The result of fear and not understanding the unknown. But in the end we are are subject to our instincts as we are still related to animals, but we're working on it.
Abbott knew the outcome, came not because of the importance, it was, but because time cannot be changed, this was part of his life process, which implies he has zero fear of this.
According to the director, this isn't an alien movie. It's a movie about a mother and a child, and the choices parents make. It just uses aliens as a prop.
I watched this movie for the first time this past weekend and it’s been living rent-free in my head ever since. Such a cool movie with awe-inspiring concepts.
There is no way Denis can ever top this, just a fucking masterpiece. Like Abbott knowing the outcome, so does she with her marriage and daughter, but no need for regretting because time cannot be changed. Life process and you would not even trade sad moments, just brilliant.
When you look at the symbols of their names and compare it to where is Abbot symbol, it's like it's trying to show the time cycle, in that their names are yin and yang, like on and off. And seeing that allows her to see time as cyclical or something idk.
If you know what is to come from your decisions and it caused you pain would you still make the same decisions to raise your child? The same premise as in Star Trek Discovery, Captain Pike witnesses in Star Trek Discovery when he comes in contact with the Time Crystal. In the end he still sacrifices himself because of his sense of duty and honor. He becomes confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life as a result of sacrificing himself to save trainees from a accident in a Starfleet vessel.
My daughter died in 2007, she was 10 yrs old. Would I go back and do it again knowing the outcome? I definitely would. My life was better with her in it than without. It’s hard to explain but I think unless you have lost a child, you wouldn’t understand 😢
6:23 - 6:43 .....is that her future self feeling worried (or panicky)..... the same thing her current self is feeling?? I'm not quite understanding that part. 🤔
The girl is her daughter in her future. They are showing her this about her to her. I think they are there because they are helping her because she helped them in her future so they are returning the favor. Its why they were there.
@@jagaloon216 The 'Heptapods' (aliens) are offering humans a 'tool' that allows us to experience time in a different way. However, the 'instructions' have been broken up into several pieces around the world, urging the human race to work together in order to get the tool. Basically 'some assembly is required'.
What was the point of the glass and gravity shenanigans when it's shown that humans can survive in the same atmosphere without any consequence? From a writing standpoint, it just seems pointless or a cheap way to save this scene for shock value later
weapon is language. language is reason. reason is logic. weapon opens time means logic opens time. this means logic is not time. this also means that logic and time are unbound entities. this means the language separates things. like a weapon. that their way of communicating is a form of ethereal persuasion, subjugating the capacity of physicality and at the same time posessing the nature of a weapon in the classical sense, capable of fracturing the things considered fundamental to the current system. It's an overgeneralisation for what is referred to as language, but is above language itself, and applies to many different things that can be considered similar to language but are actually of the nature of this 'weapon' philosophy. weapon is an epistemiological weapon, not a weapon of the physical type. weapons from government and administrative branches are similarly fashioned by their collectives, and while they on appearance seem like a classical weapon, also do investigate the philosophical and strategic (logical) realities as well. This could be an underpinning fortelling of current circumstances between administrative and leading bodies (not in the classical sense). Often these bodies are functioning like autonomous units of governance and are unified within the current environment of other administrations. What occurs now is a disassociative function, the bodies are currently dissolving the stratified glue immersing all layers of structure together. Once it passes, the structure's healing process is only logically oriented, like a form of self preservation. Because the healing process is very limited in what can be done (one specific step after another), it is purely logical without language or reason. Thus it also expends time without regard for it. It is inherently also death process. Healing by classical definition, but 'death process' by this 'weapon' philosophical definition. The beings asking humanity for help, is the death process. It is because of humanity that Abbott dies. Abbott knew future. Because weapon sees future. But Abbott is dead. Because Abbott mirrors weapon. If weapon dies, then Costello and all others are perished in their capacity of general prophetic description. The humanity and the necessity to explain is generation of death process, because humanity language murders weapon. Weapon was subjected to bureacracy, essentially. In the lucid ephemeral sense in which I have been explaining things, I regurgitate the last part about explanation. The necessity to explain, when weapon explains with respect for a mutually unified literature of combined order means that using weapon as a lower order object has caused it to dissolve, or break itself down. Eseentially, humanity language is perverse in its need to explain what it already explains. So there are two theories: Theory one. Costello should not tell her anything or explain anything. Theory two. Costello explains everything to her, performing a high-order equivalent sacrilegous act on his philosophy, mortality and essence. If we are in theory two, then Costello compromises his entire inherited inter-generational philosophy in exchange for help required from humans in 500 years. The compromise to their philosophy is likely also mortally wounding. So the question arises: why did Costello share the story of information in such a LINEAR PATTERN of events, if the linguist is very clever and the weapon could have given the most efficient explanation possible. The answer is again possibly a reversion to the metaphysical aspects of weapon and how death appears. The humanity language compromises and defects the human from respecting time and logic in the manner weapon does. Therefore humanity language is injurious to weapon. Telling the Linguist a narrative constructed of events that are BASED OVER TIME, constructed of LIFE EVENTS and of PERSONAL MEANING abstracts the human language away from weapon, allowing the Linguist to later realise that their information in recollection was designed for a higher purpose. This is how Louise sees future. Louise has weapon. Louise gains weapon when the Linguist discovers weapon's true purpose, years after she births Louise. But Louise inherents after birth and retroactively possesses it her entire life because weapon is time complimentary. 500 years was mentioned. That is when they need humanity's help. Specifically mentioned as "humanity". If the time between each generation line is 37.509 years, this is 13.3333 generations. or: 30y 16.66g , 37.39y 13.37g , 100y 5g.
"Who is this child?" That's when it all clicked into place and I about lost it. Wow, what a movie.
I loved that this scene wasn't rushed. You definitely feel the gravity of it when she finally lands in their environment.
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The best part is that meant the creature that died abbot...always knew he was going to die always knew that when he went here he wouldn't be trusted and he would be murdered and he still went
I never thought about that. Good observation!
Wow
Super late reply. I never really thought of it like that. The way I understood it, they do not experience time as we do, and they are essentially living their entire lives all at once. So Abbott didn't "come here to die" as if that is a negative thing. In a sense, he (and all of them) are already dead and have always been already dead, it's just a part of their life that has always been known.
One of the reasons I love this movie is because usually when there is time travel involved, it opens up questions about paradoxes and such, and we begin to question how certain things could even be possible. But in this movie, there is an answer for that: We humans cannot contemplate such things because we are only capable of experiencing time linearly. But if we are able to learn the alien's language, we can rewire our brains to unlock a different way of thinking and that would effectively alleviate our confusion. This concept actually does exist in real human languages, where the existence/non-existence of particular words in a language affects how people of that culture think. I remember once reading about a primitive tribe (in Africa maybe? I don't remember) and in their language, there is no word for "right" or "left", only north, south, east, and west. So those people had no sense or concept of right and left, and would refer to their right hand as their "west hand" if it was facing west or "south hand" if it was facing south, and so on. Quite mind boggling.
@@joep3279Great points! This movie really does tackle the tricky topic of time travel well.
This particular scene makes me think that their environment is some kind of super fluid.
Maybe on a gas giant
@@therealhhent9841 that’s a good theory i never thought of that
The music they played when she asked who the child was was terrifying but also beautiful..realizing she's looking at her daughter perfect score man
The way that she catches the ink in her hands after Costello tells her that Abbott is dying…it shows how much she’s empathizing with him and feels his pain as someone who’s become so deeply acquainted with them and their language. This is my favorite scene from one of my favorite movies, and I only just discovered it about a month ago.
Poor Abbott 😢 The result of fear and not understanding the unknown. But in the end we are are subject to our instincts as we are still related to animals, but we're working on it.
Abbott knew the outcome, came not because of the importance, it was, but because time cannot be changed, this was part of his life process, which implies he has zero fear of this.
I find it interesting that her being exposed to the alien atmosphere also causes her hair to fall out of the bun.
This wasn't the best alien movie I've ever seen but the creatures and their style of communication were astonishing!
Which one was the best movie, cause if it tops this, im interested
Alien (1979)?
district-9? Annihilation?
ET?
According to the director, this isn't an alien movie. It's a movie about a mother and a child, and the choices parents make. It just uses aliens as a prop.
I love the detail that you’re staring at their “feet” the whole movie lol
I watched this movie for the first time this past weekend and it’s been living rent-free in my head ever since. Such a cool movie with awe-inspiring concepts.
There is no way Denis can ever top this, just a fucking masterpiece. Like Abbott knowing the outcome, so does she with her marriage and daughter, but no need for regretting because time cannot be changed. Life process and you would not even trade sad moments, just brilliant.
When you look at the symbols of their names and compare it to where is Abbot symbol, it's like it's trying to show the time cycle, in that their names are yin and yang, like on and off. And seeing that allows her to see time as cyclical or something idk.
If you know what is to come from your decisions and it caused you pain would you still make the same decisions to raise your child?
The same premise as in Star Trek Discovery, Captain Pike witnesses in Star Trek Discovery when he comes in contact with the Time Crystal. In the end he still sacrifices himself because of his sense of duty and honor.
He becomes confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life as a result of sacrificing himself to save trainees from a accident in a Starfleet vessel.
My daughter died in 2007, she was 10 yrs old. Would I go back and do it again knowing the outcome? I definitely would. My life was better with her in it than without. It’s hard to explain but I think unless you have lost a child, you wouldn’t understand 😢
C'est vraiment excellent 😍
Wonderful movie!!!!
6:23 - 6:43 .....is that her future self feeling worried (or panicky)..... the same thing her current self is feeling??
I'm not quite understanding that part. 🤔
this movie.
Arrival - ( 2016 ) I Mckenna sees future
The girl is her daughter in her future. They are showing her this about her to her. I think they are there because they are helping her because she helped them in her future so they are returning the favor. Its why they were there.
So why are the ships all round the world?
@@jagaloon216 The 'Heptapods' (aliens) are offering humans a 'tool' that allows us to experience time in a different way. However, the 'instructions' have been broken up into several pieces around the world, urging the human race to work together in order to get the tool. Basically 'some assembly is required'.
I DO SEE THE FUTURE
Who is this child?
I love this movie so much
What was the point of the glass and gravity shenanigans when it's shown that humans can survive in the same atmosphere without any consequence? From a writing standpoint, it just seems pointless or a cheap way to save this scene for shock value later
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What weapon?
weapon is language. language is reason. reason is logic.
weapon opens time means logic opens time.
this means logic is not time.
this also means that logic and time are unbound entities.
this means the language separates things. like a weapon. that their way of communicating is a form of ethereal persuasion, subjugating the capacity of physicality and at the same time posessing the nature of a weapon in the classical sense, capable of fracturing the things considered fundamental to the current system. It's an overgeneralisation for what is referred to as language, but is above language itself, and applies to many different things that can be considered similar to language but are actually of the nature of this 'weapon' philosophy.
weapon is an epistemiological weapon, not a weapon of the physical type.
weapons from government and administrative branches are similarly fashioned by their collectives, and while they on appearance seem like a classical weapon, also do investigate the philosophical and strategic (logical) realities as well.
This could be an underpinning fortelling of current circumstances between administrative and leading bodies (not in the classical sense). Often these bodies are functioning like autonomous units of governance and are unified within the current environment of other administrations.
What occurs now is a disassociative function, the bodies are currently dissolving the stratified glue immersing all layers of structure together. Once it passes, the structure's healing process is only logically oriented, like a form of self preservation. Because the healing process is very limited in what can be done (one specific step after another), it is purely logical without language or reason. Thus it also expends time without regard for it. It is inherently also death process.
Healing by classical definition, but 'death process' by this 'weapon' philosophical definition.
The beings asking humanity for help, is the death process.
It is because of humanity that Abbott dies.
Abbott knew future.
Because weapon sees future.
But Abbott is dead.
Because Abbott mirrors weapon.
If weapon dies, then Costello and all others are perished in their capacity of general prophetic description.
The humanity and the necessity to explain is generation of death process, because humanity language murders weapon.
Weapon was subjected to bureacracy, essentially.
In the lucid ephemeral sense in which I have been explaining things, I regurgitate the last part about explanation.
The necessity to explain, when weapon explains with respect for a mutually unified literature of combined order means that using weapon as a lower order object has caused it to dissolve, or break itself down. Eseentially, humanity language is perverse in its need to explain what it already explains.
So there are two theories:
Theory one. Costello should not tell her anything or explain anything.
Theory two. Costello explains everything to her, performing a high-order equivalent sacrilegous act on his philosophy, mortality and essence.
If we are in theory two, then Costello compromises his entire inherited inter-generational philosophy in exchange for help required from humans in 500 years.
The compromise to their philosophy is likely also mortally wounding.
So the question arises: why did Costello share the story of information in such a LINEAR PATTERN of events, if the linguist is very clever and the weapon could have given the most efficient explanation possible.
The answer is again possibly a reversion to the metaphysical aspects of weapon and how death appears.
The humanity language compromises and defects the human from respecting time and logic in the manner weapon does. Therefore humanity language is injurious to weapon.
Telling the Linguist a narrative constructed of events that are BASED OVER TIME, constructed of LIFE EVENTS and of PERSONAL MEANING abstracts the human language away from weapon, allowing the Linguist to later realise that their information in recollection was designed for a higher purpose. This is how Louise sees future. Louise has weapon. Louise gains weapon when the Linguist discovers weapon's true purpose, years after she births Louise. But Louise inherents after birth and retroactively possesses it her entire life because weapon is time complimentary.
500 years was mentioned. That is when they need humanity's help. Specifically mentioned as "humanity".
If the time between each generation line is 37.509 years, this is 13.3333 generations. or: 30y 16.66g , 37.39y 13.37g , 100y 5g.
500y pre film publication, many things to do with language were changing (according to public historical note online).
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Da! Da! Da! Asa da! Na ca se mai poate si mai altfel! Oooops!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND ?
I get the part of the movie.
Yes the whole movie.
@@s0s429 can you explain it ?
That monstrosity is HUGE!!!!!
Arrival is only bullshit?
This is real. 3 TRILLION GALAXIES. with 40 BILLION EARTH LIKE PLANETS ON OUR GALAXY ALONE