Dude the fact that liquid thinks he had a relationship(not a great one by any means) with his dad but he actually just had a relationship with the memetic copy of his dad is tragic
I thought that the dominant/reccessive gene clones was stupid... ... until I remembered that Solidus is the baseline clone, meaning that they were trying to find out if the genes that created the best soldier are reccessive or dominant. And if neither were the case, it would mean that Solidus would prove that the soldier genes were a combination of them rather than a single set of them.
@@CoralCopperHead “Ha, you would think that wouldn’t you brother…in reality it’s one the most powerful weapons known to mankind, so powerful that it could even surpass METAL GEAR!”
"Due to the nature of their conception and development, the Les Enfants Terribles children possessed enhanced abilities and durability, surviving and withstanding physical and mental situations that would easily kill a normal human." Explains why Liquid was completely unaffected by the high fall, bullets, missiles, and Rex's explosion. It also explains why Snake and Solidus' were casual bullet timers and jumping high in the air, during Twin Snakes and Sons Of Liberty.
That’s never stated in the actual games though. That’s just a paragraph from the Metal Gear Wiki a user wrote. The Les Enfants Terribles children are clones of Big Boss with a genetic predisposition to be better soldiers. But they aren’t superhumans. Good genes don’t make you superhuman.
@@dm6182696 the wiki sites it from Twin Snakes. "But they aren't superhumans." A weakened Solid Snake outran a nuclear explosion in under 20 seconds, and while holding back he defeated Gray Fox in hand to hand combat. As a human Gray Fox was enhanced by the perfect solider program and was able to move so fast that he blitzed a room of armed soldiers before they can react, he was also unaffected by Metal Gear D's explosion. Metal Gear D is the strongest Metal Gear by the time 1999, in 1974 Huey tells Big Boss that only an Atom Bomb would be strong enough to damage Peace Walker. Then during Shadow Moses Snake defeats Gray Fox again while he had an exoskeleton, which is stated to increase strength and speed by several times. Snake was also injected with nanomachines, which we know enhances characters. Liquid tells Snake that 6 clones were aborted and used to make them stronger. If they weren't superhuman Liquid would have died when Snake shot him with the stinger missile, Snake would have died against Gray Fox, and Solidus would have died when he got shot in head.
@@antirockin5553 Kaz: fine by me… I’ll be ready for the new age, Until then we better get used to co existing! (Hobbles away with his bag of kaz’s fiddle burgers)
I always thought that Liquid being named Eli was a reference to Eliab, the brother of David, whom, despite having the same qualities as the previous king Saul, Samuel, under the orders from God, rejected the elder brother and anointed the younger brother as the next King of Israel.
I think liquid and solid are the definitive brother vs brother story. Some come close, like Vergil and Dante. But there’s something about their final fights that hit so much harder.
Vergil and Dante surpass Liquid and Solid IMO, because their backstory has much more emotional weight since they grew up together, Vergil serves as a better rival both narratively and from a gameplay standpoint, and because the Liquid/Solid rivalry kinda falls short due to how stupidly contrived Liquid Ocelot as a concept was
Yeah, I'm a big fan of both of the series. I can't compare them so much because of the fact that there is literally demonic power in one along with supernatural military espionage in the other. Plus, there was a third brother Solidus, not counting Nero from DMC4 and 5 as their "third" since there's a revelation about that at the end. The emotional ties for both were awesome but the Metal Gear Series is the only one to make me cry. Lmao
@@mercury2157 damn.. Actually that makes a lot of sense. The whole renewed self actually fits well. Thank you, now my brain is firing off analysis. Lol
It's an utter shame mission 51 from MGSV was cut. If you watch the deleted content footage, for me, the big stand out was Pier Stubb's performance as Eli... a lot of it was dialogue was recycled from in MGS1 but it was well acted as a homage to Cam Clarke's Liquid and foreshadowing for who the young soldier would become. Criminally underrated.
My problem with what we were shown with m51 is that I don't need color to differentiate enemy soldiers sprinting with intent to kill from Eli's crippled, tiny ass on the ground. And I doubt Kojima had an awnser for 'what if the player just doesn't shoot?'
If Sons of Liberty ever gets a remake, it should include Snake’s side of the story. So much of what happened during that game involving Snake and Liquid is pretty much one big black spot in the timeline.
I think that portion would work better as a comic or graphic novel of some kind. What made Snake so great in that game (Aside from him being snake) was how mysterious he felt and how powerful he felt since you saw him from the perspective of his fans like Raiden
It'd be more of a run-and-shoot title -- an action-to-stealth ratio between that of _Solid_ and _Rising._ It would take place over 15 years, so Piers Stubbs could voice the first half, and -James Flinders- Cam Clarke could voice the second half. He would have to locate and destroy a nuclear-equipped walking battle tank that could end the war for his side. He would reunite with Третий Pебёнок, and, a formidable gunfighter. He would also encounter a certain giant shaman, a certain beautiful and deadly sharpshooter, and certain a master of disguise (disguised as a certain Master, which gives Eli an idea). It would end with him flying up to a certain Nuclear Weapons Disposal Facility.
18:59 Always felt scary to hear because it wasn't really directed at David, it was directed at us. I always loved this surprising subtle jabs at the player and their morality when it comes to Metal Gear: The fight with The Sorrow, the thoughts of the cyborg security forces, and the morality system in The Phantom Pain. These are all great examples of the games going: "Not everyone you've killed deserved it, and you've killed a lot of people."
@@mercury2157 Yeah, gotta say that's probally way more fun. I have no idea why i decided to not kill anyone, because there's a way to kill as many people as you want but still not get bad reputation, just gotta do some missions where you save a lot of people I never finished the game tbh, but i went really far doing that insane challenge (I did knock out and tranquilized every single enemy tho, just didn't kill them)
I think kojima missed a really big opportunity by killing liquid so early and by making solid age so fast. Idk maybe naomie or otacon could've found a solution for that. I would've loved to see liquid and solid teaming up to take down the patriots once and for all. Maybe have a game where you play some parts as liquid and some as solid. Liquid would have more action packed and explosive gameplay while solid would have the stealthy missions. They would have different methods of meeting their goals which could create a conflict between the 2. I could go on forever but i really think it's a shame what happened to the twins.
@@HeyMomonia IIRC, Kojima, was ready to take a break and/or retire. He also doesn’t own the IP, unfortunately, so he wanted to create his swan song before they takeover and do whatever they want with his brainchild. [x]
The biggest problem with Liquid was his ego. He claimed to be the inferior one, and tried to beat his superior twin. And yet, he failed to realize that he WAS the superior one. The inferior defeated the superior. I bet he's screaming angrily in death about that blow to his ego.
I just realized that liquid snake has only been in 4 of the metal gear games and in two of them he is liquid snake and the other other two he is liquid ocelot the man is perfectly asymmetrical
"Now...in front of you...I can finally die. After Zanzibar, I was taken from the battle...neither truly alive, nor truly dead. An undying shadow in the world of light. But, soon...soon...it will...finally...end."
It has occurred to me that, There's a solid snake, a liquid snake and a solidus snake, but there isn't a liquidus snake. In thermodynamics the liquidus temperature refers to the above temperature where a solid completely becomes a liquid. In metal gear acid 2, there was a solid snake, but his eye colour was different. His eyes were brown. it is revealed that he is in fact a clone of that solid snake from metal gear acid 1, who died, somehow. I think he should becalled liquidus snake.
I love liquid as a villain. He was just so iconic and I really liked how he was so persistent in not losing that he possessed the son of a medium. I love the grit and will of liquid. I also love how opposite solid is, he wasn’t like liquid, if he were solid’s only reason for not falling the same fate as liquid is due to him not holding the same feelings towards big boss and his twins, only seeing it as a job and not a way of proving himself to the world that he is superior. Solid doesn’t do it for himself, he does it for others. He saved Meryl and didn’t want to take the chance of killing Frank jager when he was aiming his stinger at liquid. Plus he saved Olga gerlukovich which came into his favour. It was liquid against the world and it was solid amd friends against the ODDS
Liquid is the most relentless character in the series. It was never game over for him. Even long after his death, he succeeded in destroying the patriots in the end , through a mental doppelgänger
It was explained in metal gear solid 4 that liquid was actually the superior clone and solid was the inferior clone. It was a lie that they told liquid from when he was a kid. The only thing that made solid I guess you could say stronger where his life experiences
"No. They show that the Codec is a video construct. If it weren't, you wouldn't have to disguise yourself physically; you would only have had to disguise your voice."
It's always fun seeing Bravo Two Zero get referenced outside of UKSF topics. It's probably the most famous SAS book or at least it was for a very long time. Super famous in the UK, I barely ever hear anyone else talk about it out of country lol nice
Its wild how much of this I knew but the connections you made in regards to continuity and the way you presented it are outstanding. Stuff that is right in front of you. It's mind blowing how much of this that Kojima was able to pull off.
If written well, I wonder if Kojima could create some kinda nanomachine ass-pull to bring back Liquid Snake? Say, post Metal Gear Rising, the latest setting in the MGS timeline?
They used Big Boss's body, and nanomachines uploaded Liquid's consciousness. (Since Ocelot was faking, the last thing Liquid remembers is dying from FOXDIE.) Once Liquid "awakened", he was horrified to see Big Boss's body. He dyed the gray hair blond, and let it grow out. For about the first third of the game, he deprecatingly refers to himself as Liquid Boss.
Someone should hop on a metal gear anime. Imagine the revenue any studio/ stream service could bring in from it. There’s already tons of lore, story, fleshed out characters. That could easily be 5+ seasons of content. The hype alone would have it doing major numbers!
@@thegamingprozone1941 The guy I replied to said they tried so I just said it must have been unsuccessful cos I never heard about it. I would love a mgs anime I think it'd be awesome
@@himynameis3664someone actually pitched it directly to Kojima, and, as their recount tells, after they explained why they thought an anime adaptation would be amazing, Kojima laughed, pointed at him, and said "Otaku."
Cam Clarke does such a good job as Liquid in MGS1, almost every line he has is memorable. I can't help but recite his lines when watching the cutscenes.
White Mamba could be a reference to the Legend of the White Snake, don’t know what that might mean but I can’t think of anything else it could be. Could also be a reference to the band Whitesnake. The game is set in the 80’s so it would make sense.
Hell if anything things probably would've been different If Liquid dug further into the Les Enfants Terribles program, and found out and sought out to find Eva.
From mgs they drop the whole recessive dominant thing and just used percent so soild is 95 percent BB and liquid was 97 BB the rest came from there mom
Now that you brought up the Japanese vs American script, is it possible that whoever localized the game forgot to change “inferior” in the post credits scene to “recessive”?
Metal Gear is my all time favorite video game franchise of all time. I’ve thought about doing a discord server for fans to talk all things Metal Gear. Would anyone be interested in that.
Ikr, that’s insane! Although it makes sense in a way, since in mgs4 his voice was gone and only ocelot’s voice remained. I thought it was gone cause it wouldn’t make sense for his voice to come out of ocelot’s mouth. Now tho, it makes sense why the voice of liquid is gone in mgs4
@@excitedcat9517 I mean in Metal gear solid we witnessed supernatural momments so its not shocking but it would make better development if it was his own willful delusion, as it would be better for Ocelot character development of he idolised Big Boss and was willing to do everything for him also it would match Phantom Pain story where we could see how Venom Snake did exactly the same thing. Also it would match main theme of Metal gear solid, of how limited is free will and how we much we can change not realising it.
@@excitedcat9517 The reason Liquid Ocelot had Ocelot's voice in MGS4 was simply because Kojima wanted him to. Him sounding like Liquid in MGS2 was a choice made by the English localization. In the Japanese version, he has Ocelot's voice.
@@KingOfFrye I've tried playing the phantom pain, but I just never found actual motivation to it, I guess I just time with nothing else to do, which hard cause I recently got into reading one piece, but I'll try someday
@@loll2561 Trust me bro this series is awesome, if you wanna get into the games but have zero knowledge on the game here’s where to start. Try going for snake eater, It’s a good game to start with Since technically it’s the first game where the series starts. It won’t be so complicated and the story is pretty straight forward, and you don’t really need much knowledge of the msg series at all. It’s basically the start of the whole series. The gameplay is 👉pretty😸good👉 to today standards so it won’t feel too off. I understand that mgsv can be a lot for a first time player to the series (trust me I know lol) but once you get into it more and more you’ll realize that “damn this is pretty cool series!” Anyway sorry for going off topic, start with snake eater. Then after that try going for peacewalker, now I haven’t played this game but I’ve seen the cutscenes of it. Basically it was like watching a movie 🍿 I think while watching them I was hooked already by the story alone lol. Then after that go for ground zeros. I got the mgsv and ground zero bundle and man that whole part made more sense after experiencing mgs snake eater and peace walker. I remember when I first played both games I was “wtf is going on!?” lmao Then there’s the really older games (like MSX old) For that I just watched story recaps since I don’t own that kinda stuff, start with mgs1 then mgs solid snake, the story for them are really good tho. Then there is MGS SHADOW MOSES. That’s when we get to meet liquid snake. After that son’s of liberty and then mgs4 and finally revengence. I know that’s a whole lot but I’m just giving you a map on where to start and where to end if you want to get into the series. If you’re not interested that’s okay 😊 but give it a try, it’s pretty good lol
Love how throughout the series liquid thought he was inferior because he thought he had the recessive genes, when in fact he had the dominant genes and was superior! 🤯
Buddy, let me tell you about Drakengard *edit* okay actually nevermind they're not comparable at all, since JoJo and Metal Gear are a totally different kind of "weird" than Drakengard*
Found that I have a PS2 copy of Sons of Liberty, then this video came out. Somehow this vid wasn’t in my notifications. I actually found this in my recommendations the day after I finished Sons of Liberty. Good shit.
Tbh when ocelot said liquid was the superior one i didnt really see it as he has the better genes but more so his tenacity to try and surpass his perceived inferiority which resulted in his pure chatisma, durability and willpower had him proving himself superior to solid in spite of his genetics
You could argue that Liquid is a Dio reference from JJBA too. Both are blonde-haired British men with a severe hatred for their father and "brother" figures, are exceedingly dangerous and charismatic, like to strut around shirtless and have came back from the dead in one form or another.
So simply liquid is like big boss Big boss had a medic as a phantom Liquid had shalashaska as a body double So hes the perfect clone? Snice he did exactly what big boss did? Except big boss died after the medic
Okay hear me out. What we really should have gotten, would have been Metal Gear Liquid game. Think about it. Before MGS3, Big Boss was pretty much a warlord of a jingoistic country, who just happened to have a few positive interactions with people (mostly introduced in MGS1). Then MGS3 made him a fully fleshed out character, and gave a great origin story for him. I am not saying that Liquid should have been retconned into being an anti-hero or something, but there is room to develop him. Imagine playing a MGS game, but with a villain protagonist, who is an expert and using vehicles, and who's main goal is to prove his worth. Also, Ocelot would naturally fit in there as a mentor figure. Imagine Ocelot and Psycho Mantis as your codec crew lol. I feel sorry for Liquid, because he totally got fucked over in this series. He had one great game, where he was a popular villain. Then he was brought back as a weird arm spirit ghost and did nothing (not to mention that it was the worst part of the MGS series, and kinda took away from Ocelot too), and then he just vanishes, as he is actually not in MGS4 at all. And then he shows up in MGSV as a bratty kid, who has his boss fight cut out. They did him dirty, and his own game, would be the only way to do this rather popular, but misused character some justice.
Remembering mgs4 and our torture in microwaves room, I understand also enhanced physical abilities. Raiden could've wasted his youth (as he did with his arms
4:088:40 God damn, Kiefer's voicework really WAS really good. It's so subtle, but Kojima was on to something with how he wanted Snake to say more with much fewer words.
Meti, i have a question. What will happen, if pucci in his made in heaven mode will punch magenta magenta in his defence stance? Isn't magenta's stand unbreakable? Will it be like paradox of unstoppable force and unmovable object?
I love how liquid got his time to shine in MGS5. You can tell Kojima was trying to do right by him seeing as he always regretted killing him off so early. I’d love a game where you play as liquid leading up to Shadow Moses.
It is so obvious that Naomi hunter and frank Jaeger/cyborg ninja were brother and sister. I mean jaeger is German for hunter, but when I was a kid that was one of the biggest plot twists i had ever seen video games, besides Kaz Miller actually being liquid in disguise.
Yes, "Snake" was originally chosen because snakes are sneaky. The fact that Kojima wanted Kurt Russel, who portrayed the most iconic "Snake" in cinema history, to voice act for a Metal Gear Snake at some point, is completely coincidental, and any resemblance to people living or fictional is entirely unintentional. Awesome use of the stock footage, by the way. ;D
I love the way everyone considers MGS5 episode 51 canon despite konami saying it's not. Everyone is like #FuckKonami episode 51 is canon and should have been part of the game. I, for one, definitely think MGS5 is an unfinished game.
The name Eli is actually a reference to Eliab, the brother of David - the David who fought Goliath - and in this case a direct reference to Snake, David.
Liquid “daddy never said he loved me so I’m gonna make it everybody’s problem” snake
Alternatively, "Roy Batty but genuinely out of his fucking mind with an inferiority complex"
Dude the fact that liquid thinks he had a relationship(not a great one by any means) with his dad but he actually just had a relationship with the memetic copy of his dad is tragic
@@carlb1874
[Maury Povich]:
"TEST RESULTS ARE IN!
You are....
NOT THE FATHER!!!!"
[Venom Snake]:
"YYYYEEEESSSS!!!!"
💀💀💀💀💀💀
And " he has a helicopter..."
“He always said I was inferior”
In mgsv he hardly ever says a word in the damn game!
Venon always beat him
Liquid Snake had more encounters with Big Boss in his life.
“…..”
“SEE? FATHER ALWAYS PREFERRED YOU, SOLID SNAKE!”
@@thegameofgms760 but he never did say he was inferior. Liquid was projecting hard.
venom was just listening to mudge ure and said jackshit
I thought that the dominant/reccessive gene clones was stupid...
... until I remembered that Solidus is the baseline clone, meaning that they were trying to find out if the genes that created the best soldier are reccessive or dominant. And if neither were the case, it would mean that Solidus would prove that the soldier genes were a combination of them rather than a single set of them.
I suppose, but don’t forget that Solidus was created AFTER the twins, not before.
Venom Snake was even more legendary and successful than Big Boss. So they pretty much cloned someone who wasn't even the greatest.
@@wethepeople2749 Venom just proved the irony that anyone could be big boss. It was never genetic. Which Zero failed to ever understand
@@wethepeople2749 No, Big Boss was still on top. Venom wasn't better
@@visassess8607 Venom needs 10 rockets from Solid Snake to die, Big Boss was defeated by a make up in the fly flamethrower.
Liquid "why no I've never opened a grade school biology textbook why do you ask?" Snake
Vergil "I need my daddy's power cause I'm so sad" Sparda
Jetstream “I need to fight drug gangs so I don’t have to think” Sam
Steven "My source is that I made it the fuck up" Armstrong
Liquid would be a trumper.
Hideo **inserts a 10 hour long cutscene** Kojima
"Are you familiar with "Big Chungus"?"- Liquid
3.4 second !!!that is the time it existed...
That's canon lol
"He's... just some dumb cartoon rabbit."
@@CoralCopperHead
“Ha, you would think that wouldn’t you brother…in reality it’s one the most powerful weapons known to mankind, so powerful that it could even surpass METAL GEAR!”
"Indeed I am. What fine meme! Exquisite!" - Monsoon, of the Winds Of Destruction.
"Due to the nature of their conception and development, the Les Enfants Terribles children possessed enhanced abilities and durability, surviving and withstanding physical and mental situations that would easily kill a normal human."
Explains why Liquid was completely unaffected by the high fall, bullets, missiles, and Rex's explosion.
It also explains why Snake and Solidus' were casual bullet timers and jumping high in the air, during Twin Snakes and Sons Of Liberty.
In Solidus' case isn't it because he's wearing powered exosuit? Kinda like Gray Fox
@@cfilorvyls457 the exoskeleton just amped Solidus even more. As stated, the Sons Of Big Boss were created to be superhuman.
That’s never stated in the actual games though. That’s just a paragraph from the Metal Gear Wiki a user wrote. The Les Enfants Terribles children are clones of Big Boss with a genetic predisposition to be better soldiers. But they aren’t superhumans. Good genes don’t make you superhuman.
@@dm6182696 the wiki sites it from Twin Snakes.
"But they aren't superhumans."
A weakened Solid Snake outran a nuclear explosion in under 20 seconds, and while holding back he defeated Gray Fox in hand to hand combat. As a human Gray Fox was enhanced by the perfect solider program and was able to move so fast that he blitzed a room of armed soldiers before they can react, he was also unaffected by Metal Gear D's explosion. Metal Gear D is the strongest Metal Gear by the time 1999, in 1974 Huey tells Big Boss that only an Atom Bomb would be strong enough to damage Peace Walker. Then during Shadow Moses Snake defeats Gray Fox again while he had an exoskeleton, which is stated to increase strength and speed by several times.
Snake was also injected with nanomachines, which we know enhances characters.
Liquid tells Snake that 6 clones were aborted and used to make them stronger.
If they weren't superhuman Liquid would have died when Snake shot him with the stinger missile, Snake would have died against Gray Fox, and Solidus would have died when he got shot in head.
@@dm6182696 how did Solid Snake crawl through that microwave tunnel then?
if there's one thing I love about Liquid, it's that he's extremely persistent
Bro exploded
Fell
Got shot
Had a caraccident
Caught the cold
Fox
Die!
Liquid: SNAAAAAKE! IT’S NOT OVER YET!
Snake: What Liquid!? WHAT!?
Liquid: You forgot my ketchup packets
Snake: Ughhhhhhhhh…
Kaz:
GONNA NEED SOME BURGER FOR THIS KETCHUP
@@excitedcat9517 ocelot: Kaz, we are not doing this again
@@antirockin5553
Kaz: fine by me…
I’ll be ready for the new age,
Until then we better get used to co existing!
(Hobbles away with his bag of kaz’s fiddle burgers)
Pax Hamburgana
solidus: " umm, you want fries with that, brothers ??!"
Liquid may have been fighting for his genes but in the end everyone was a puppet on strings to their memes.
All thanks to Ocelot who played everyone like fiddles.
And the Patriots, whose weapons were Ciphers and riddles.
Your memes end here, jack
Do you want to be a heart on a silly string all your life, Snake?
*THE MEMES*
I always thought that Liquid being named Eli was a reference to Eliab, the brother of David, whom, despite having the same qualities as the previous king Saul, Samuel, under the orders from God, rejected the elder brother and anointed the younger brother as the next King of Israel.
Was that part of the trivia or an observation, either way it’s a fascinating thing to think about.
This is an awesome theory! 👏
That would make sense completely, considering Snake's real name is David.
Venom: "Wow you're leading your own team of soldiers, I'm proud of you son."
Liquid crying: "That's all I evee wanted to hear dad!"
I think liquid and solid are the definitive brother vs brother story. Some come close, like Vergil and Dante. But there’s something about their final fights that hit so much harder.
Vergil and Dante surpass Liquid and Solid IMO, because their backstory has much more emotional weight since they grew up together, Vergil serves as a better rival both narratively and from a gameplay standpoint, and because the Liquid/Solid rivalry kinda falls short due to how stupidly contrived Liquid Ocelot as a concept was
Yeah, I'm a big fan of both of the series. I can't compare them so much because of the fact that there is literally demonic power in one along with supernatural military espionage in the other. Plus, there was a third brother Solidus, not counting Nero from DMC4 and 5 as their "third" since there's a revelation about that at the end. The emotional ties for both were awesome but the Metal Gear Series is the only one to make me cry. Lmao
@@meaningfulmindfulness15 I feel like Nero plays a closer role to Raiden than he would to Solidus
@@mercury2157 damn.. Actually that makes a lot of sense. The whole renewed self actually fits well. Thank you, now my brain is firing off analysis. Lol
Kiryu and Nishki from Yakuza cut it slightly closer for me personally because of how believable Nishiki’s transformation was.
It's an utter shame mission 51 from MGSV was cut. If you watch the deleted content footage, for me, the big stand out was Pier Stubb's performance as Eli... a lot of it was dialogue was recycled from in MGS1 but it was well acted as a homage to Cam Clarke's Liquid and foreshadowing for who the young soldier would become. Criminally underrated.
My problem with what we were shown with m51 is that I don't need color to differentiate enemy soldiers sprinting with intent to kill from Eli's crippled, tiny ass on the ground. And I doubt Kojima had an awnser for 'what if the player just doesn't shoot?'
@@TheDapperDragon Kojima could just force it like shining lights even in death where the game wouldn't progress until pressing the fire button
@@klaushassen3954 agreed. But then, the moment is dead
12:25 big boss in the first metal gear wasn’t just a body double but the greatest body double ever, venom snake
If Sons of Liberty ever gets a remake, it should include Snake’s side of the story.
So much of what happened during that game involving Snake and Liquid is pretty much one big black spot in the timeline.
I think that portion would work better as a comic or graphic novel of some kind. What made Snake so great in that game (Aside from him being snake) was how mysterious he felt and how powerful he felt since you saw him from the perspective of his fans like Raiden
@@Biscwutitsutos then just make snake's side playable only after you beat the game
@@Insky_ No! (Kratos voice)
@@Biscwutitsutos w h y
I agree with Tobirama,
Cool an MGS episode just when I started playing the MGS HD collection for the first time on PS3.
Weird. I just started MGS hd collection on XBOX 360.
What a weird world...
Really? That's great! The games are amazing and the collection is how I played through them too. I hope you enjoy it
You are in for a great ride.
Do not skip codec calls, boys.
Have fun, take your time, use the codec when confused.
In the end he was the one that was played like a damn fiddle the most.....
I want a Metal Gear Liquid game
One taking place during the Gulf War would be awesome
It'd be more of a run-and-shoot title -- an action-to-stealth ratio between that of _Solid_ and _Rising._ It would take place over 15 years, so Piers Stubbs could voice the first half, and -James Flinders- Cam Clarke could voice the second half. He would have to locate and destroy a nuclear-equipped walking battle tank that could end the war for his side. He would reunite with Третий Pебёнок, and, a formidable gunfighter. He would also encounter a certain giant shaman, a certain beautiful and deadly sharpshooter, and certain a master of disguise (disguised as a certain Master, which gives Eli an idea). It would end with him flying up to a certain Nuclear Weapons Disposal Facility.
18:59 Always felt scary to hear because it wasn't really directed at David, it was directed at us. I always loved this surprising subtle jabs at the player and their morality when it comes to Metal Gear: The fight with The Sorrow, the thoughts of the cyborg security forces, and the morality system in The Phantom Pain. These are all great examples of the games going: "Not everyone you've killed deserved it, and you've killed a lot of people."
And then there's me challenging myself by not killing literally anyone in MG5 ((unless it's impossible to finish the mission without doing it))
@@Voc_spooksauce and then there's me cleaning up the soviet occupation of Afghanistan in MGSV just because I'm bored
@@mercury2157 Yeah, gotta say that's probally way more fun. I have no idea why i decided to not kill anyone, because there's a way to kill as many people as you want but still not get bad reputation, just gotta do some missions where you save a lot of people
I never finished the game tbh, but i went really far doing that insane challenge
(I did knock out and tranquilized every single enemy tho, just didn't kill them)
Aye which game is the thoughts of the cyborg forces from? Can’t click in my head why I’m not feeling bad for them LOL
@@Nowhats Revengeance
Wouldn’t it be interesting to see an alternate universe where Eli and David team up to take down big boss in outer heaven?
I think kojima missed a really big opportunity by killing liquid so early and by making solid age so fast.
Idk maybe naomie or otacon could've found a solution for that.
I would've loved to see liquid and solid teaming up to take down the patriots once and for all.
Maybe have a game where you play some parts as liquid and some as solid.
Liquid would have more action packed and explosive gameplay while solid would have the stealthy missions.
They would have different methods of meeting their goals which could create a conflict between the 2.
I could go on forever but i really think it's a shame what happened to the twins.
@@HeyMomonia
IIRC, Kojima, was ready to take a break and/or retire. He also doesn’t own the IP, unfortunately, so he wanted to create his swan song before they takeover and do whatever they want with his brainchild. [x]
@@HeyMomonia Hideous Kockjima wanted MGS to be the final game
@@HeyMomonia problem is kojima wanted Solid to be the final game. Then he said IV would be the last. Makes sense if you think about it.
The biggest problem with Liquid was his ego. He claimed to be the inferior one, and tried to beat his superior twin. And yet, he failed to realize that he WAS the superior one. The inferior defeated the superior. I bet he's screaming angrily in death about that blow to his ego.
You could always ask Ocelot.
My dream is a Kojima directed prequel where we play as Liquid Snske
The man who was in 4 Metal Gear games, but after MG4, it turns out he was really only in 2. In terms of being an actor, Ocelot's pretty good.
I loved Liquid Snake. He died too soon. I wish he lived for a few more games.
Well he kinda did, through Ocelot. But actually not.
A Metal Gear Liquid would be nice.
@Big Crunch I’m all over the place.
See iYehuk's comment above.
I just realized that liquid snake has only been in 4 of the metal gear games and in two of them he is liquid snake and the other other two he is liquid ocelot the man is perfectly asymmetrical
"I was Liquid's doppelganger"
-Dio
I was liquids doppelgangers doppelganger.......
Finally talking about the man himself!! Not yet, it's not over yet!!
Liquid & Grey Fox & Metal Gear Rex. Most badass
"Now...in front of you...I can finally die. After Zanzibar, I was taken from the battle...neither truly alive, nor truly dead. An undying shadow in the world of light. But, soon...soon...it will...finally...end."
It has occurred to me that,
There's a solid snake, a liquid snake and a solidus snake, but there isn't a liquidus snake.
In thermodynamics the liquidus temperature refers to the above temperature where a solid completely becomes a liquid.
In metal gear acid 2, there was a solid snake, but his eye colour was different. His eyes were brown. it is revealed that he is in fact a clone of that solid snake from metal gear acid 1, who died, somehow.
I think he should becalled liquidus snake.
I'm also disappointed we didn't get a Plasma snake, since we're talking about thermals and matter......Plasma would make a great villain name....
@@truckercowboyed2638And let's not forget that we also need Gas Snake .
@@truckercowboyed2638: Plasma Snake: n. A plasma-based handheld melee weapon, similar to a light saber from _Star Wars,_ but flexible, like a whip.
Can’t believe they mage a metal gear character after liquid Chris
The man, the myth, the legend himself
I love liquid as a villain. He was just so iconic and I really liked how he was so persistent in not losing that he possessed the son of a medium. I love the grit and will of liquid. I also love how opposite solid is, he wasn’t like liquid, if he were solid’s only reason for not falling the same fate as liquid is due to him not holding the same feelings towards big boss and his twins, only seeing it as a job and not a way of proving himself to the world that he is superior. Solid doesn’t do it for himself, he does it for others. He saved Meryl and didn’t want to take the chance of killing Frank jager when he was aiming his stinger at liquid. Plus he saved Olga gerlukovich which came into his favour. It was liquid against the world and it was solid amd friends against the ODDS
Liquid is the most relentless character in the series. It was never game over for him. Even long after his death, he succeeded in destroying the patriots in the end , through a mental doppelgänger
Hell fuckin yeah, another MG video ! Thank you for always making such quality-filled videos! (Not only the MG ones obviously)
Liquid is awesome. Shame he didn't get a full resurrection like Kojima was planning.
It was explained in metal gear solid 4 that liquid was actually the superior clone and solid was the inferior clone. It was a lie that they told liquid from when he was a kid. The only thing that made solid I guess you could say stronger where his life experiences
That was explained before MGS4 GOTP. Remember Ocelot's post credit phone call at the end of MGS1?
@@Xxandrew01 you are right.
“Snake, did you like my sunglasses?”
"No. They show that the Codec is a video construct. If it weren't, you wouldn't have to disguise yourself physically; you would only have had to disguise your voice."
I can't wait for Liquid Snake to comeback as a cyberized parasite unit that underwent nano machine therapy to think he's Liquid Snake
Unironically better Liquid Ocelot
6:42 just a floating rifle, mother base’s stealth tech is really something
Big chungus wasn't limited by his recessive genes
He was the superior meme after all
oh yes, one of the sons of Ultra-Instincts Shaggy
ohhh noooo. it's the Son's of Chungus........
I'm noticing meti been doing a lot more "glory of" videos as of late.🤔
We need a "Glory of Meti" video, he's been putting in the work recently
I'd personally love to see a Glory of Klavier Gavin video someday.
So?
Please meti,
DO A VIDEO FOR THE PROUDEST HUNTER TO EVER LIVE,
Revolver….. (irl spins water gun 🔫) OCELOT!
"I am Шалашаска!
Also called Revolver..."
"Ocelot"
"...Ocelot!"
Can’t wait for the Mistral video.
It's always fun seeing Bravo Two Zero get referenced outside of UKSF topics. It's probably the most famous SAS book or at least it was for a very long time. Super famous in the UK, I barely ever hear anyone else talk about it out of country lol nice
Spot on video. Good job capturing all the data for this awesome villain.
You have that MGS certified badge 😎👌
Such a shame liquid was killed early. Would've loved to actually see him in a game post mgs1, and not just his voice.
Yo your goated for this 🤘🏾🙏🏾💯 liquid is my favorite antagonist dear brother
"ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH...BIG CHUNGUS?" -Liquid Snake
“BIG CHUNGUS!?”
(Solid snake said calmly)
"What do you mean ??"
"Chungus, who the hell ??"
@@excitedcat9517 yes, big chungus, the world renowned meme of a oversized cartoon rabbit
LIquid!
BROTHER!!
Liquid was always so happy to see his little bro 😁
Its wild how much of this I knew but the connections you made in regards to continuity and the way you presented it are outstanding. Stuff that is right in front of you. It's mind blowing how much of this that Kojima was able to pull off.
If written well, I wonder if Kojima could create some kinda nanomachine ass-pull to bring back Liquid Snake? Say, post Metal Gear Rising, the latest setting in the MGS timeline?
In Metal Gear Solid / Evangelion crossover I was writing, the Patriots made Liquid into a cyborg Ninja.
Buddy MGS is over and we're never getting a MGRR sequel
They used Big Boss's body, and nanomachines uploaded Liquid's consciousness. (Since Ocelot was faking, the last thing Liquid remembers is dying from FOXDIE.) Once Liquid "awakened", he was horrified to see Big Boss's body. He dyed the gray hair blond, and let it grow out. For about the first third of the game, he deprecatingly refers to himself as Liquid Boss.
Someone should hop on a metal gear anime. Imagine the revenue any studio/ stream service could bring in from it. There’s already tons of lore, story, fleshed out characters. That could easily be 5+ seasons of content. The hype alone would have it doing major numbers!
They tried..
@@YABUKIJOE2077 I take it that it was unsuccessful so? Never even heard about this
@@himynameis3664 if castlevania has an anime then why not mgs?
@@thegamingprozone1941 The guy I replied to said they tried so I just said it must have been unsuccessful cos I never heard about it. I would love a mgs anime I think it'd be awesome
@@himynameis3664someone actually pitched it directly to Kojima, and, as their recount tells, after they explained why they thought an anime adaptation would be amazing, Kojima laughed, pointed at him, and said "Otaku."
Cam Clarke does such a good job as Liquid in MGS1, almost every line he has is memorable. I can't help but recite his lines when watching the cutscenes.
What's your favorite?
so he won, but he lost, but he won, but he lost. from birth, to death. literally. he truly was his father's hated clone.
"It's not over, snake"
thank you for explaining liquids personality in depth i really needed that to understand the whole plot
White Mamba could be a reference to the Legend of the White Snake, don’t know what that might mean but I can’t think of anything else it could be. Could also be a reference to the band Whitesnake. The game is set in the 80’s so it would make sense.
Here you go again....
Hell if anything things probably would've been different If Liquid dug further into the Les Enfants Terribles program, and found out and sought out to find Eva.
Liquid was NOT THE RECESSIVE CLONE
He’s not the recessive genetic clone, he is the dominant clone
No he's the superior clone, with the recessive genes. He is has natural blonde hair so he can't be dominant.
From mgs they drop the whole recessive dominant thing and just used percent so soild is 95 percent BB and liquid was 97 BB the rest came from there mom
@Big Crunch What would he have against this?
Now that you brought up the Japanese vs American script, is it possible that whoever localized the game forgot to change “inferior” in the post credits scene to “recessive”?
@@shadowstephen8296 Twin Snakes also uses the word “inferior” during the post credits scene. So I’m pretty sure it was always supposed to be this way.
LIQUIIIIIIIIIIID!!!!!!
SNAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!!!
- Snake said calmly
BROTHERRRRRRRRR!
Liquid was a great villain should have kept alive for the sequels
Metal Gear is my all time favorite video game franchise of all time. I’ve thought about doing a discord server for fans to talk all things Metal Gear. Would anyone be interested in that.
16:54 wait that was really Liquid ghost possessing Ocelot that time????
I have thought it was only hypnotic suggestion that he placed on himself.
It is
Ikr, that’s insane!
Although it makes sense in a way, since in mgs4 his voice was gone and only ocelot’s voice remained.
I thought it was gone cause it wouldn’t make sense for his voice to come out of ocelot’s mouth. Now tho, it makes sense why the voice of liquid is gone in mgs4
@@excitedcat9517 I mean in Metal gear solid we witnessed supernatural momments so its not shocking
but it would make better development if it was his own willful delusion, as it would be better for Ocelot character development of he idolised Big Boss and was willing to do everything for him
also it would match Phantom Pain story
where we could see how Venom Snake did exactly the same thing.
Also it would match main theme of Metal gear solid, of how limited is free will and how we much we can change not realising it.
@@excitedcat9517 The reason Liquid Ocelot had Ocelot's voice in MGS4 was simply because Kojima wanted him to. Him sounding like Liquid in MGS2 was a choice made by the English localization. In the Japanese version, he has Ocelot's voice.
Me who's never been particularly interested in mgs: interesting
@@KingOfFrye I've tried playing the phantom pain, but I just never found actual motivation to it, I guess I just time with nothing else to do, which hard cause I recently got into reading one piece, but I'll try someday
@@loll2561
Trust me bro this series is awesome, if you wanna get into the games but have zero knowledge on the game here’s where to start.
Try going for snake eater,
It’s a good game to start with Since technically it’s the first game where the series starts.
It won’t be so complicated and the story is pretty straight forward, and you don’t really need much knowledge of the msg series at all. It’s basically the start of the whole series.
The gameplay is
👉pretty😸good👉 to today standards so it won’t feel too off. I understand that mgsv can be a lot for a first time player to the series (trust me I know lol) but once you get into it more and more you’ll realize that “damn this is pretty cool series!”
Anyway sorry for going off topic, start with snake eater.
Then after that try going for peacewalker, now I haven’t played this game but I’ve seen the cutscenes of it. Basically it was like watching a movie 🍿
I think while watching them I was hooked already by the story alone lol. Then after that go for ground zeros. I got the mgsv and ground zero bundle and man that whole part made more sense after experiencing mgs snake eater and peace walker. I remember when I first played both games I was “wtf is going on!?” lmao
Then there’s the really older games (like MSX old)
For that I just watched story recaps since I don’t own that kinda stuff, start with mgs1 then mgs solid snake, the story for them are really good tho. Then there is MGS SHADOW MOSES. That’s when we get to meet liquid snake. After that son’s of liberty and then mgs4 and finally revengence.
I know that’s a whole lot but I’m just giving you a map on where to start and where to end if you want to get into the series.
If you’re not interested that’s okay 😊 but give it a try, it’s pretty good lol
@@loll2561 start with metal gear solid 3 then portable ops peace walker, metal gear 1 2 metal gear solid 1 2 and 4
Love how throughout the series liquid thought he was inferior because he thought he had the recessive genes, when in fact he had the dominant genes and was superior! 🤯
God bless you for this one
“Nice shoes”
“No GENES!”
What a character, love him or hate him. Liquid.
Metal Gear weirdness is the closest thing to JoJo weirdness there is.
And No More Heroes wierdness (which Meti also covers)
Am I the only one who gets dio vibes from liquid?
Buddy, let me tell you about Drakengard
*edit* okay actually nevermind they're not comparable at all, since JoJo and Metal Gear are a totally different kind of "weird" than Drakengard*
Kingdom Hearts
@@bluepikmin6363 KH is a different kind of weird I think
Liquid "the massive recessive" Snake.
Imagine when he discovers Venom isn't Big Boss.
So, Mini-Boss?
Found that I have a PS2 copy of Sons of Liberty, then this video came out. Somehow this vid wasn’t in my notifications. I actually found this in my recommendations the day after I finished Sons of Liberty. Good shit.
Please do a video on Monsoon from Metal Gear Revengeance
Yeah
Memes.
MEMES! MEMES! Ooh look, a Kitty! MEMES!
Going bare chested in the winter is probably liquids most superior skill
Tbh when ocelot said liquid was the superior one i didnt really see it as he has the better genes but more so his tenacity to try and surpass his perceived inferiority which resulted in his pure chatisma, durability and willpower had him proving himself superior to solid in spite of his genetics
You could argue that Liquid is a Dio reference from JJBA too.
Both are blonde-haired British men with a severe hatred for their father and "brother" figures, are exceedingly dangerous and charismatic, like to strut around shirtless and have came back from the dead in one form or another.
Spread this shit everywhere is fuckin true
Motherfucking kojima
You could also argue, and I know it sound crazy but just hear me out. That not everything is a JoJo reference.
@@herrforesight-Satanisking thing about it like the shroedinger reference
@@noctsickversus9632 what table waste? I’ll have you know that my table is cleaned regularly.
Love your Metal Gear videos
So simply liquid is like big boss
Big boss had a medic as a phantom
Liquid had shalashaska as a body double
So hes the perfect clone? Snice he did exactly what big boss did? Except big boss died after the medic
Just started replaying mgsv and binging your mgs videos the other day, thanks Meti, very cool.
*Liquid works at a clothing store*
*A customer walks in*
…
“LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT OUR GENES!!”
"The Memes.
DNA of the Soul."
still waiting for mgs 6 to come out so we can finally see clothed snake and gas snake
Plasma Snake.
Okay hear me out. What we really should have gotten, would have been Metal Gear Liquid game. Think about it. Before MGS3, Big Boss was pretty much a warlord of a jingoistic country, who just happened to have a few positive interactions with people (mostly introduced in MGS1). Then MGS3 made him a fully fleshed out character, and gave a great origin story for him. I am not saying that Liquid should have been retconned into being an anti-hero or something, but there is room to develop him. Imagine playing a MGS game, but with a villain protagonist, who is an expert and using vehicles, and who's main goal is to prove his worth. Also, Ocelot would naturally fit in there as a mentor figure. Imagine Ocelot and Psycho Mantis as your codec crew lol.
I feel sorry for Liquid, because he totally got fucked over in this series. He had one great game, where he was a popular villain. Then he was brought back as a weird arm spirit ghost and did nothing (not to mention that it was the worst part of the MGS series, and kinda took away from Ocelot too), and then he just vanishes, as he is actually not in MGS4 at all. And then he shows up in MGSV as a bratty kid, who has his boss fight cut out. They did him dirty, and his own game, would be the only way to do this rather popular, but misused character some justice.
so it would be a MGL game would it not ??? metal gear liquid.....
Remembering mgs4 and our torture in microwaves room, I understand also enhanced physical abilities. Raiden could've wasted his youth (as he did with his arms
Made me snort lol
4:08 8:40 God damn, Kiefer's voicework really WAS really good. It's so subtle, but Kojima was on to something with how he wanted Snake to say more with much fewer words.
Meti, i have a question. What will happen, if pucci in his made in heaven mode will punch magenta magenta in his defence stance? Isn't magenta's stand unbreakable? Will it be like paradox of unstoppable force and unmovable object?
WE WENT FROM JOJO TO METAL GEAR, I DONT UNDERSTAND BUT I LIKE WHERE THIS IS GOING
“Game over man game over” sees Liquid Snake “Not you.”
14:22 Ocelot eliminated two guys Sigint and Decoy Octopus at the same time, yeah very accidental
I don't think he knew exactly who FOXDIE was targeting. If he had, he wouldn't have needed to kill Sigint Anderson.
I love how liquid got his time to shine in MGS5. You can tell Kojima was trying to do right by him seeing as he always regretted killing him off so early. I’d love a game where you play as liquid leading up to Shadow Moses.
I sometimes dream of Kojima retaking the rights to Metal Gear and potentially remaking the series.
I love liquid snake definitely one of if not my favourite character in metal Gear solid. I definitely understand how Kojima felt
Da fuq, why do I hear smt 3 sound test? Thats a banger
It is so obvious that Naomi hunter and frank Jaeger/cyborg ninja were brother and sister. I mean jaeger is German for hunter, but when I was a kid that was one of the biggest plot twists i had ever seen video games, besides Kaz Miller actually being liquid in disguise.
"Snake, you've been talking to..."
"...me, dear brother."
Yes, "Snake" was originally chosen because snakes are sneaky. The fact that Kojima wanted Kurt Russel, who portrayed the most iconic "Snake" in cinema history, to voice act for a Metal Gear Snake at some point, is completely coincidental, and any resemblance to people living or fictional is entirely unintentional.
Awesome use of the stock footage, by the way. ;D
Well he _did_ fly that gull wing over Leningrad.
Ocelot and snake are practically brothers. Both sons of the boss and big boss!
21:18-21:25
Oh... OH..! I never thought of that. Mind blown!
Such a mind-F that all his life he believed that he was the "flawed" clone
i just liked his sunglasses
0:31 I guess venom did get children in the end.
I love the way everyone considers MGS5 episode 51 canon despite konami saying it's not. Everyone is like #FuckKonami episode 51 is canon and should have been part of the game. I, for one, definitely think MGS5 is an unfinished game.
Think? It's literally a known fact, the game doesn't even actually have an ending.
@@ltcuddles685 I agree. That's not what konami apparently says. They say it's a complete game.
@@MegaSolidninja well, Konami isn't known for being a great game company these days. How the mighty have fallen.
@@ltcuddles685 yeah it's mad. I remember the days where if konami's logo was on the game you know it's going to be good.
@@MegaSolidninja
You could say the same for EA twenty years ago
I'm going to whine about my genes for the rest of this game.
Now if you excuse me, I'm going to do something British.
The name Eli is actually a reference to Eliab, the brother of David - the David who fought Goliath - and in this case a direct reference to Snake, David.