OOPS!! Apologies in advance, but after shooting this video we realised that the "Green" Cabs in the UAFX Knuckles are not the cabs that are printed on the pedal. We wanted to use the V30 loaded Boogie 4x12 speaker cab emulation, but that was the red one, not the green one! The Green "CA V30" cab is a Celestion Super 80 loaded 4x12 - so apologies in advance if this makes the comparison less valid. Hopefully you still get an idea of how the pedal sounds!
Of course it makes the comparison less valid. It makes it invalid, by the way. The most difference in EQ curves comes from the IR - and that's what we are hearing here. You have to use the same IR while doing comparisons like this. Even if we are talking about two V30 or two GB, if they are not the same IR they will always sound very different, because each IR is made differently, with different mics and mics positions. I don't think the pedal and the amp sounds the same, but using the same IR would really show their real differences. To tell the truth, this video, the way it is now, has no reason to even be online.
@@gffg387 hate to say it because a lot of time probably went into making it, but I have to agree. Different cab / speakers make the comparison completely moot :/
Of course, it makes a difference, but to say the Knuckles is a bad sounding pedal would be silly. Regardless of the ir, UAFX has done a good job. In a live setting, no one would know the difference between the pedal or amp.
@ivorharden in a live setting most likely no one would know if you're playing a modded Marshall, a 5150, a Diezel, or a Rectifier, or a model of any of them unless it's visible on stage to be fair. I don't like the sounds from the UAFX myself, but that's just an opinion. What's a fact tho is that the comparison is useless because of the different IRs :')
@void_snw yeah, for sure. The other thing you have to remember, like Lee mentioned, UAFX used a 90s dual rec to get sound samples. A 90s dual rec and 2020s dual rec probably sound different anyway. Regarding the video, maybe they should make a video where the pedal and amp/cab have the same settings.
Killed it, John. I was born in 88 so those riffs mean a lot to me 😊 Nice to hear someone else mention Hoobastank for once, too! ‘Crawling in the Dark’ is a savage song.
Yo, John, you were comparing different IRs? Man, you work with these things for a living. Was this negligency a way to make the pedal compare worst againts the amp? Is that somehow affiliated to you working for NeuralDSP?
As a group of spry 16-year olds in the mid-2000s, my immediate friendship circle were all musicians of sorts. I was overcome with jealousy, and a bit of rage, when the wealthy lad in our group got not only a Dual Rectifier for his birthday, but also a US-made PRS CE-24. To be fair, he still has both to this day and they are still KILLER. I was already a big Dream Theater fan but needless to say ever since hearing a Dual Rectifier in-person I’ve been a Mesa fan ever since.
Yeah i was playing in bands around the same time and saw Dream Theater on their 20th anniversary tour in like winter 05/06 i think it was. 3+ hours of just Dream Theater, playing songs from every album up to that point(Octavrium) going back to Liquid Tension Experiment stuff. I always hated their singer James Labrie but loved the musicianship of the band so it was a compromise lol.
Big thumbs up for the Linkin park intro 👌 👍🏻 Throughout the whole video I've been shouting at Lee from the future because this was probably recorded a month ago or even more "change the cab setting" they're not the same lol 🤣
I've been running a single rec for 15 years playing all types of music, punk, reggae, funk, even for a Christmas carols gig and in church worship. it's been great. Just a couple of months ago, i finally retired it for a Friedman IR-D and fender fr10, very happy with the move.
I have a UAFX Lion 68 (Marshall style) and I love it, simple and efficient probably the bests amp sims on the market UA knows their stuff. I gig with it using an frfr speaker and it’s just perfect (gigs with a loud band, recording at home…) I thinks they make perfect amp in a box for modern players keeping the simplicity and character of old amps !
Pedal is awesome! Finding myself playing more "metal" amps for their clean/crunch tones. There is something 'special' about the tone that I had never noticed before!
1:45 you were 20 and I was 8. Still love my uncle for taking me to see Alice In Chains, Soundgarden and Nirvana in the same year. That was a great year. ❤
It all depends on the speaker being used. I’ve always found passive speakers to offer better quality, and by extension, tube amps as well. If I ever come across an FRFR speaker that sounds just as good, I’ll switch to 100%
Mesa amps always hit the sweet spot. Visually aswell, the sight of a Mesa amp is something to behold. As a guitarist, seeing a Dual Rec is orgasmic. Thats something the pedal lacks.
I think the mic'd up cab sounded so much better than the head/pedal through IRs. More full sounding. Would've liked to hear the pedal into the DR poweramp section and the cab.
Once jon started to dial the pedal in it sounded way closer and better. I dont think anyone would notice a difference in a blindfold test if you let jon do the sounds
One of my favorite patches I made in Amplitube is a clean dual rectifier with a DS-1 and a Tube screamer with a bit of delay and reverb, it sounds very sinister for lack of a better word. The knuckles sounds pretty good. What I hear with all modelers and software amps is a certain flatness for lack of a better word and with an amp the sound is more 3 dimensional, I hear the same kind of difference between and Epiphone Les Paul and a Gibson Les Paul for example. To my ears better gear does sound better like an analogue synth vs a virtual analogue synth. Does it matter in a song? Probably not to most listeners that are not musicians.
Seems like every '90's alternative hit song clean guitar intro was a dual rec. A lot in the early 2000's too. You hear clean dual rectifiers all over pop rock and alt rock. I had one with a 412 matching cab for a while. Sounded good but it was always way too much amp for anyone not playing a large venue. Even then it was often too loud by the time you got the amp sounding good through the cab. Much like 50/100 watt Marshalls, they sound pretty gross when turned down to pub levels. This pedal does a great job of doing the dual rec thing at line level volume which is brilliant. Adding the TS style overdrive is also awesome since almost anyone who uses a Boogie rectifier style amp does this to clean up the flub on the bottom end and add mids to balance the ice picky top end. You know, going for the modded Marshall tone lol I really like what UA have done with this line of pedals. They all sound like the amp they are emulating as if it were miced up or recorded etc. Even put through an FR/FR cab they sound like a real amp and speaker for the most part. You really have to consider with any of these comparisons that any 2 Mesa Boogie dual Rectifiers won't sound the same through the same speaker cabinet, never mind very different speaker cabinets. That you guys managed to get both the real amp and the Knuckles sounding very very close is a testament to the UA's ability to be dialed in to sound like any Dual Rec not just one particular profiled amp. I also love that the UA isn't trying to be anything except the classic and much loved dual rectifier.
Most of the video you were on the middle green mode of the cab selector, which is not the Cali V30, but a Super 80 loaded cab. Sounded awfully close though when you got to the right cab (middle red led). 🤘
I was 22 in 1994- and I wanted a dual rec. so bad but couldn't afford one. I also wanted a PRS Custom 24 but also couldn't afford it. Well last month, at 52 years old, I bought a PRS Paul's Guitar, and 5 minutes ago I bought this pedal- close enough, I finally did it. That's as good as it's getting folks- have you priced a real dual rec? I could've gotten the custom 24 if I wanted, but the Paul's guitar is a better guitar imo so- I went with it. I'm a stickler for intonation, and I really like the bridge Paul designed for this thing- the intonation is right on the money and the way it's designed, I don't see how it would ever go out. There's just enough adjustment for changing string gauge, but that's tiny. It's just a little set screw on each end of the bridge that allows you to cock it one way or the other a few mils. It made me nervous at first because of the lack of adjustment, but then you realize- that means if they get it right at the factory, it can't drift out. If it does you have bigger problems than intonation, it means your neck moved somehow- because the bridge can't. It also uses proprietary pickups that aren't a standard size so, it's not a project guitar- it is what it is. Even changing the tuners is difficult- they used vintage styled tuners instead of the standard locking PRS tuners. And so far, I can't find any vintage styled, 3x3, locking tuners to replace them with.
I put some Kluson Revolution 3x3 no collar locking tuners on a PRS Silver Sky SE. They are “vintage”, didn’t need me to pop out the bushings in my headstock, and fit *exactly* in the same exact silhouette indentation the original tuners made.
I picked the orange cab on the Knuckles straight away, but Lee kept skipping it. Glad they found it by the end of the video lol. Yeah the cab does a lot! Lol just seen that's the correct cab labelled...
The red cabs are the ones listed on the pedal, the green light ones are 3 more you get from registering the pedal with the app ...so all the comparison at the end are wrong until they changed it. The CA V30 with the red light is the oversize mesa
I mean. You have the boogie at the set volume not stressing those tubes for warmth. Then you have the solid state pedal. So you get the sound you want at any volume from the pedal. But you don’t know what you are missing at high volumes with the boogie. For better or worse.
Always gotta run a severe high cut to get rid of the fizz if you're going to play through any kind of FRFR speaker. I have a steep high cut running to like 5.5khz. If you don't, you will get that fizz.
A lot to unpack here. First off, this is one of the best demos of this pedal I've seen, if just because so many other channels made it actually sound bad. 2nd, Mesa actual AMPs are always hard to dial in, while the recto isn't a mark, it's still got plenty of settings that will sound bad. These pedals are always kind of limited to a smaller range of the usable sounds, which is why you kind of had to dial in the amp, after hearing the pedal so much. As such, yeah, you can get some really bad sounds with the actual recto you can't get with the pedal, but also, you can get some good sounds you can't get with the pedal. Even though many were good and could be better with a little tweak, you could also hear how "samey" a lot of the pedals tones were, once you started checking out the presets. And yes, every song off Stank's "The Reason" album except "The Reason", is a banger.
For some awesome sounding Recto-albums, check out Nevermore's Dead Heart in a Dead World (especially the song Inside Four Walls), Testament's The Gathering, Meshuggah's Destroy/Erase/Improve.
How did no one come up with Mark Tremonti? Creed? Alter Bridge? John is playing a PRS. Until the end when John dialed in the tones, the pedal sounded like it had a veil over it. The tones were much closer at the end and I may even prefer the pedal to the amp and the OX (the pedal seemed to be brighter and tighter which is my preference). That said not a single tone came anywhere near the real cab at the intro.
I don't get it with these UAFX pedals, the one advantage they should offer is the ability to offer better control via Midi for live use. Even that lovely Dual Rec behind you can switch channels, FX Loop and Solo Boost using Midi with the appropriate midi box in to the foot switch connector so it's crazy theres more live switching options on an amp from 20 years ago then there are in a digital pedal.
24:50 you would really wanna turn the cab sim off for the pedal and run it through the same IR you’re using in the ox box to really find out how similar the amp tones are between the amp and pedal. The IR on the amp and what you have on that ox box will be vastly different from each other. Heck you can hear it plainly in the video that the impulses are not very similar. Just because they originated from a similar cab it does not really say much for how similar they may potentially sound.
The real one just doesn't sound good through the Ox IMHO (a non-NFB amp like this is way more load dependant), the opening clip now THAT sounded amazing. PS: "Normal" is Modern on the Red channel (I believe on the Rev F there was no such thing as Modern mode, it was just what the Red channel was by default)
till he started using axefx (i think - it's some modeler that i couldn't make out from my seats), thomas kalnoky of streetlight manifesto used mesa recs
I SAID!!! I said on the red one, whatever that was, the 51-shifty they made, I SAID, and I quote, "shoulda done a boogie,". This makes me so happy, easiest $400-whatever they ever made.
Hi What’s the point for this …? Why should we by a pedal for each amp with the possibility of tone x with all the amps in one box. Don’t understand this market Best regards
Many amp sim pedals like this have more analog parts, like fetts etc. this usually results in better sound. I use a $40 joyo and a $18 mesa clone pedal as my amps with my helix. Because they just sound better than the digital models
The real deal is not impractical, it's just manly. The pedal is cool too. In order to save money, a few of these UAFX pedals, the Fryette PS-100, and a Mesa Standard 4x12 would be cool enough.
What? The loadbox and speaker emulation doesn't actually sound like the live amp? but EVERYONE keeps pumping the narrative that "digital is perfect". And can we also mention the "compressed" clean sound? Was that the amp or the stuff in between?
I have the biggest problem with my UAFX pedals the dream and the lion on connecting them to my interface and speakers. If my guitar is going into the lion is the one output going in front of my Apollo? Or do I do two cables to the back of the Apollo?
I have my guitar going through the dream/lion and then have the left right outputs of the pedal going into the two instrument inputs of my interface, try that and it should work great
I was very disappointed to learn that those ultra expensive pedals are just a digital emulation of whatever they are named after. Basically, you are buying one kemper sound for about a quarter of what a kemper cost. UAD should have put a stomp that can load on any of the plugins they sell instead of each box so overpriced. It would be the exact thing, but the user decides what plugin or software to load.
Althought I do agree UAD is overpriced and generally not worth it compared to other options. What you are saying is not quite good comparison. Kemper is a profiler and you use snapshots of particular amp setup. UAD pedals are modelers that emulate the whole thing. Comparing it to Helix or QC would be probably better, but you have a point, nonetheless.
I think if they did something like what Friedman did with the IR-X by shrinking the entire pre-amp section into a pedal with two channels and a boost that work as a gain/ volume boost (it can also do both together). I think that is priced fairly since I can put that into any power amp and have a good sound, if I wanted to go the digital route the Tonex and the good old HX stomp which are similarly priced to these.
Both options are great for when you want your guitar to sound like ass. No slight on Digital John, his playing is always great, but these tones are poo.
OOPS!! Apologies in advance, but after shooting this video we realised that the "Green" Cabs in the UAFX Knuckles are not the cabs that are printed on the pedal. We wanted to use the V30 loaded Boogie 4x12 speaker cab emulation, but that was the red one, not the green one! The Green "CA V30" cab is a Celestion Super 80 loaded 4x12 - so apologies in advance if this makes the comparison less valid. Hopefully you still get an idea of how the pedal sounds!
Of course it makes the comparison less valid. It makes it invalid, by the way. The most difference in EQ curves comes from the IR - and that's what we are hearing here. You have to use the same IR while doing comparisons like this. Even if we are talking about two V30 or two GB, if they are not the same IR they will always sound very different, because each IR is made differently, with different mics and mics positions.
I don't think the pedal and the amp sounds the same, but using the same IR would really show their real differences.
To tell the truth, this video, the way it is now, has no reason to even be online.
@@gffg387 hate to say it because a lot of time probably went into making it, but I have to agree. Different cab / speakers make the comparison completely moot :/
Of course, it makes a difference, but to say the Knuckles is a bad sounding pedal would be silly. Regardless of the ir, UAFX has done a good job. In a live setting, no one would know the difference between the pedal or amp.
@ivorharden in a live setting most likely no one would know if you're playing a modded Marshall, a 5150, a Diezel, or a Rectifier, or a model of any of them unless it's visible on stage to be fair.
I don't like the sounds from the UAFX myself, but that's just an opinion. What's a fact tho is that the comparison is useless because of the different IRs :')
@void_snw yeah, for sure. The other thing you have to remember, like Lee mentioned, UAFX used a 90s dual rec to get sound samples. A 90s dual rec and 2020s dual rec probably sound different anyway. Regarding the video, maybe they should make a video where the pedal and amp/cab have the same settings.
Pleasure Boogie-ing with you as always Lee!
Killed it, John. I was born in 88 so those riffs mean a lot to me 😊
Nice to hear someone else mention Hoobastank for once, too! ‘Crawling in the Dark’ is a savage song.
Yo, John, you were comparing different IRs? Man, you work with these things for a living.
Was this negligency a way to make the pedal compare worst againts the amp? Is that somehow affiliated to you working for NeuralDSP?
Came for the UAFX vs Mesa Boogie , stayed for that Hoobastank riff... what an epic demo!
Shout to the amazing playing of 'Crawling in The Dark', John.
Probably played in drop-d instead of open-e, but still... immediately gives me a smile :).
As a group of spry 16-year olds in the mid-2000s, my immediate friendship circle were all musicians of sorts. I was overcome with jealousy, and a bit of rage, when the wealthy lad in our group got not only a Dual Rectifier for his birthday, but also a US-made PRS CE-24. To be fair, he still has both to this day and they are still KILLER. I was already a big Dream Theater fan but needless to say ever since hearing a Dual Rectifier in-person I’ve been a Mesa fan ever since.
Yeah i was playing in bands around the same time and saw Dream Theater on their 20th anniversary tour in like winter 05/06 i think it was. 3+ hours of just Dream Theater, playing songs from every album up to that point(Octavrium) going back to Liquid Tension Experiment stuff.
I always hated their singer James Labrie but loved the musicianship of the band so it was a compromise lol.
Big thumbs up for the Linkin park intro 👌 👍🏻
Throughout the whole video I've been shouting at Lee from the future because this was probably recorded a month ago or even more "change the cab setting" they're not the same lol 🤣
I've been running a single rec for 15 years playing all types of music, punk, reggae, funk, even for a Christmas carols gig and in church worship. it's been great. Just a couple of months ago, i finally retired it for a Friedman IR-D and fender fr10, very happy with the move.
Yoooo John pulling out some classic Hoobastank!! This is why he's the goat!
Love listening to the younger metal guys do demos, awesome playing John!
We need a shootout with the TC Electronic Duel Wreck 🤘🏼
👀
I have a UAFX Lion 68 (Marshall style) and I love it, simple and efficient probably the bests amp sims on the market UA knows their stuff. I gig with it using an frfr speaker and it’s just perfect (gigs with a loud band, recording at home…) I thinks they make perfect amp in a box for modern players keeping the simplicity and character of old amps !
Pedal is awesome! Finding myself playing more "metal" amps for their clean/crunch tones. There is something 'special' about the tone that I had never noticed before!
1:45 you were 20 and I was 8. Still love my uncle for taking me to see Alice In Chains, Soundgarden and Nirvana in the same year. That was a great year. ❤
Thanks for the demo!
It all depends on the speaker being used.
I’ve always found passive speakers to offer better quality, and by extension, tube amps as well.
If I ever come across an FRFR speaker that sounds just as good, I’ll switch to 100%
I like the more pixelated Digital John better. That old VHS effect looks more like analog John.
Nothing against John's usual playing but him playing 2000s era hard rock/nu metal is great.
Crawling In The Dark! @Hoobastank riff Nice ❤
Mesa amps always hit the sweet spot. Visually aswell, the sight of a Mesa amp is something to behold. As a guitarist, seeing a Dual Rec is orgasmic. Thats something the pedal lacks.
I remember first learning of Tool in middle school and dreaming of owning a dual rec lol
I think the mic'd up cab sounded so much better than the head/pedal through IRs. More full sounding. Would've liked to hear the pedal into the DR poweramp section and the cab.
Distracted by the cabinet sound because it far superior than the ox sound 😅
Great player John is and really like his demos
Once jon started to dial the pedal in it sounded way closer and better. I dont think anyone would notice a difference in a blindfold test if you let jon do the sounds
One of my favorite patches I made in Amplitube is a clean dual rectifier with a DS-1 and a Tube screamer with a bit of delay and reverb, it sounds very sinister for lack of a better word. The knuckles sounds pretty good. What I hear with all modelers and software amps is a certain flatness for lack of a better word and with an amp the sound is more 3 dimensional, I hear the same kind of difference between and Epiphone Les Paul and a Gibson Les Paul for example. To my ears better gear does sound better like an analogue synth vs a virtual analogue synth. Does it matter in a song? Probably not to most listeners that are not musicians.
Seems like every '90's alternative hit song clean guitar intro was a dual rec. A lot in the early 2000's too. You hear clean dual rectifiers all over pop rock and alt rock. I had one with a 412 matching cab for a while. Sounded good but it was always way too much amp for anyone not playing a large venue. Even then it was often too loud by the time you got the amp sounding good through the cab. Much like 50/100 watt Marshalls, they sound pretty gross when turned down to pub levels. This pedal does a great job of doing the dual rec thing at line level volume which is brilliant. Adding the TS style overdrive is also awesome since almost anyone who uses a Boogie rectifier style amp does this to clean up the flub on the bottom end and add mids to balance the ice picky top end. You know, going for the modded Marshall tone lol I really like what UA have done with this line of pedals. They all sound like the amp they are emulating as if it were miced up or recorded etc. Even put through an FR/FR cab they sound like a real amp and speaker for the most part. You really have to consider with any of these comparisons that any 2 Mesa Boogie dual Rectifiers won't sound the same through the same speaker cabinet, never mind very different speaker cabinets. That you guys managed to get both the real amp and the Knuckles sounding very very close is a testament to the UA's ability to be dialed in to sound like any Dual Rec not just one particular profiled amp. I also love that the UA isn't trying to be anything except the classic and much loved dual rectifier.
Digital John, very cool my man
Every Time I Die in a pedal. 😆 I think I'll wait for the plugin (for this and ANTI), but if I was gigging, 1000% this would be on my board!
Most of the video you were on the middle green mode of the cab selector, which is not the Cali V30, but a Super 80 loaded cab. Sounded awfully close though when you got to the right cab (middle red led). 🤘
I was 22 in 1994- and I wanted a dual rec. so bad but couldn't afford one. I also wanted a PRS Custom 24 but also couldn't afford it. Well last month, at 52 years old, I bought a PRS Paul's Guitar, and 5 minutes ago I bought this pedal- close enough, I finally did it. That's as good as it's getting folks- have you priced a real dual rec? I could've gotten the custom 24 if I wanted, but the Paul's guitar is a better guitar imo so- I went with it. I'm a stickler for intonation, and I really like the bridge Paul designed for this thing- the intonation is right on the money and the way it's designed, I don't see how it would ever go out. There's just enough adjustment for changing string gauge, but that's tiny. It's just a little set screw on each end of the bridge that allows you to cock it one way or the other a few mils. It made me nervous at first because of the lack of adjustment, but then you realize- that means if they get it right at the factory, it can't drift out. If it does you have bigger problems than intonation, it means your neck moved somehow- because the bridge can't. It also uses proprietary pickups that aren't a standard size so, it's not a project guitar- it is what it is. Even changing the tuners is difficult- they used vintage styled tuners instead of the standard locking PRS tuners. And so far, I can't find any vintage styled, 3x3, locking tuners to replace them with.
I put some Kluson Revolution 3x3 no collar locking tuners on a PRS Silver Sky SE. They are “vintage”, didn’t need me to pop out the bushings in my headstock, and fit *exactly* in the same exact silhouette indentation the original tuners made.
I picked the orange cab on the Knuckles straight away, but Lee kept skipping it. Glad they found it by the end of the video lol. Yeah the cab does a lot!
Lol just seen that's the correct cab labelled...
The red cabs are the ones listed on the pedal, the green light ones are 3 more you get from registering the pedal with the app ...so all the comparison at the end are wrong until they changed it. The CA V30 with the red light is the oversize mesa
I was skeptical, but that thing sounds FANTASTIC!! 😳
I don't have this pedal, but I do one thing about it. Unlike Sonic, it doesn't chuckle, it would much rather flex its muscles.
You should do a comparison with this and the tc electronics dual wreck
I mean. You have the boogie at the set volume not stressing those tubes for warmth. Then you have the solid state pedal. So you get the sound you want at any volume from the pedal. But you don’t know what you are missing at high volumes with the boogie. For better or worse.
D - I - G - I - T - A - L JOHN
Keep the pedal, I'll take that amp though. 😋
you need the cab too
Always gotta run a severe high cut to get rid of the fizz if you're going to play through any kind of FRFR speaker. I have a steep high cut running to like 5.5khz. If you don't, you will get that fizz.
Good pedal..the room is really interesting
Digital John can play!
The UAFX with Bare knucles pups..... heaven!
A lot to unpack here. First off, this is one of the best demos of this pedal I've seen, if just because so many other channels made it actually sound bad.
2nd, Mesa actual AMPs are always hard to dial in, while the recto isn't a mark, it's still got plenty of settings that will sound bad. These pedals are always kind of limited to a smaller range of the usable sounds, which is why you kind of had to dial in the amp, after hearing the pedal so much. As such, yeah, you can get some really bad sounds with the actual recto you can't get with the pedal, but also, you can get some good sounds you can't get with the pedal.
Even though many were good and could be better with a little tweak, you could also hear how "samey" a lot of the pedals tones were, once you started checking out the presets.
And yes, every song off Stank's "The Reason" album except "The Reason", is a banger.
Even though the video is completely invalid , because of Lee's foof up with the cabs
@@Sonnytimesalways-lx7je Yeah, that's the hilarious part. As the owner of a Recto rev D, most channels videos on this pedal made it sound terrible.
The horse California sound pedal is $18 on amazon right now lol. It’s a clone of the sansamp mesa sim pedal. Sounds amazing.
For some awesome sounding Recto-albums, check out Nevermore's Dead Heart in a Dead World (especially the song Inside Four Walls), Testament's The Gathering, Meshuggah's Destroy/Erase/Improve.
Cannibal Corpse...All😂😂😂
@@frankschweigert5596 Man, I totally forgot! Their sound, especially on the newer albums is massive!
3:20 the most complicated and versitile mesa was the roadking .... no tech will go near it
Allan Holdsworth was into the dual rectifier big time!!
How did no one come up with Mark Tremonti? Creed? Alter Bridge? John is playing a PRS.
Until the end when John dialed in the tones, the pedal sounded like it had a veil over it. The tones were much closer at the end and I may even prefer the pedal to the amp and the OX (the pedal seemed to be brighter and tighter which is my preference). That said not a single tone came anywhere near the real cab at the intro.
Best sound was the mesa through the cab mic'd up! As always John's playing is great!
Cool video
I don't get it with these UAFX pedals, the one advantage they should offer is the ability to offer better control via Midi for live use. Even that lovely Dual Rec behind you can switch channels, FX Loop and Solo Boost using Midi with the appropriate midi box in to the foot switch connector so it's crazy theres more live switching options on an amp from 20 years ago then there are in a digital pedal.
The UA sounds good, but the Mesa is clearly better.
It's so obvious that the "dIgItAl JoHn" sound effect is Danish Pete speaking into some kind of effect but that just makes it all the more brilliant.
Nothing beats the real amp mic'd with its cab
The real thing sounds so much better 😂
Normally they’re pretty close but damn the real one was way better
I am willing to bet John hates that name "digital John..cool video i have always wanted a duel rectifier..
not at all!
Lee, you have to finally put a 412 cab between you and push DIGITAL JOHN to do winner stays on
The amp through the real cab is so much better. I really don't like the fizziness of the digital stuff.
24:50 you would really wanna turn the cab sim off for the pedal and run it through the same IR you’re using in the ox box to really find out how similar the amp tones are between the amp and pedal.
The IR on the amp and what you have on that ox box will be vastly different from each other. Heck you can hear it plainly in the video that the impulses are not very similar. Just because they originated from a similar cab it does not really say much for how similar they may potentially sound.
Oh it’s painful watching you guys struggle with something that is so obvious. Aaahhhhh
JOHNATAL DIG!
The real one just doesn't sound good through the Ox IMHO (a non-NFB amp like this is way more load dependant), the opening clip now THAT sounded amazing. PS: "Normal" is Modern on the Red channel (I believe on the Rev F there was no such thing as Modern mode, it was just what the Red channel was by default)
till he started using axefx (i think - it's some modeler that i couldn't make out from my seats), thomas kalnoky of streetlight manifesto used mesa recs
I have the feeling from watching a lot of demo's that the UAFX Lion is closer to Marshall than Knuckless is to Mesa Boogie.
I SAID!!! I said on the red one, whatever that was, the 51-shifty they made, I SAID, and I quote, "shoulda done a boogie,". This makes me so happy, easiest $400-whatever they ever made.
Hi
What’s the point for this …?
Why should we by a pedal for each amp with the possibility of tone x with all the amps in one box.
Don’t understand this market
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Because 1. Tone-x is not a model, it's a capture- big difference. and 2. It just sounds better- we're choosing quality over quantity.
Many amp sim pedals like this have more analog parts, like fetts etc. this usually results in better sound. I use a $40 joyo and a $18 mesa clone pedal as my amps with my helix. Because they just sound better than the digital models
Hoobastank for the win!!!!
John looks like Twitch streamer Ninja.
Could've just used the same cab for both
Blind shootout this pedal vs the real amp vs TC dual wreck!
TC, as in TC electronics style preamp?? im thinking choasphere sound probably ;)
Well, me got the Anti and the 65, which is next the Knuckles or Enigmatic?
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Can this be used as a standard pedal on a pedal board going into an amp?
Amp sims will almost always sound better DI.
I was 17 in 1992!
You're old now.
Was that a Taproot riff??
UA need to make a Ampeg SVT and 8x10 emulator pedal.
sound like Polyphia please.
With Digital John of course
The real deal is not impractical, it's just manly. The pedal is cool too. In order to save money, a few of these UAFX pedals, the Fryette PS-100, and a Mesa Standard 4x12 would be cool enough.
What? The loadbox and speaker emulation doesn't actually sound like the live amp? but EVERYONE keeps pumping the narrative that "digital is perfect". And can we also mention the "compressed" clean sound? Was that the amp or the stuff in between?
A lot of the tones made me think about Duke Nukem.
Those alien bastards are gonna pay for shooting at my ride.
Nice try lee, definatly let john play around with setting up the tones more in the future.
I have the biggest problem with my UAFX pedals the dream and the lion on connecting them to my interface and speakers. If my guitar is going into the lion is the one output going in front of my Apollo? Or do I do two cables to the back of the Apollo?
I have my guitar going through the dream/lion and then have the left right outputs of the pedal going into the two instrument inputs of my interface, try that and it should work great
pull this video and go again v30's a must.
HOOOOOOBASTANK!
I hear Linkin Park intro I hit like
Im a simple man.
let shootout UAFX Knuckles Amp Pedal comparison TC Electronic Duel Wreck, same type pedal both of them
linkin park, hoobastank… oh yeah
Sound of nukles aare coming from where??
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He had to pick a PRS Studio... my recent GAS object of desire.
Not grandfather but the father.
I was very disappointed to learn that those ultra expensive pedals are just a digital emulation of whatever they are named after. Basically, you are buying one kemper sound for about a quarter of what a kemper cost.
UAD should have put a stomp that can load on any of the plugins they sell instead of each box so overpriced.
It would be the exact thing, but the user decides what plugin or software to load.
its not really one kemper sound because its modelling not static captures but I agree with your point, they are expensive for just a vst in a box
there is an alternative moore pedal, no? as i recall
Paying for boxed plugins, the "future" is not as exciting as I thought...
Althought I do agree UAD is overpriced and generally not worth it compared to other options. What you are saying is not quite good comparison. Kemper is a profiler and you use snapshots of particular amp setup. UAD pedals are modelers that emulate the whole thing. Comparing it to Helix or QC would be probably better, but you have a point, nonetheless.
I think if they did something like what Friedman did with the IR-X by shrinking the entire pre-amp section into a pedal with two channels and a boost that work as a gain/ volume boost (it can also do both together). I think that is priced fairly since I can put that into any power amp and have a good sound, if I wanted to go the digital route the Tonex and the good old HX stomp which are similarly priced to these.
The amp sounds better
I swear the Offspring were using Mesas for a While
mark iv's I believe even.. but they probably played at whatever was available in venues and festivals at some point, I'm sure.
Yeah mark iv's often blended with other amps.
You can chuuug, with or withoooout tube..
LOL sounded like shit compared to the Recto with a cab. Recto into the ox wasn't that good either
sound like LP pls DIGITAL JOHN!
Sounds like Wayne and Garth on a particularly lousy and uncreative day.
Please stop calling him Digital John.
Pronounced May sa
Sounds terrible…..Probably the PRS…..
Both options are great for when you want your guitar to sound like ass. No slight on Digital John, his playing is always great, but these tones are poo.