Polygon's $2,369 Siskiu Review: Value-Packed | 2021 Pinkbike Field Trip
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Polygon's Siskiu T8 fools you into thinking it's pricier than it is. With modern geometry and proven Fox suspension, it's ready to ride right out of the box. Check out what Mike Levy and Sarah Moore had to say about the Siskiu.
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0:00 - Intro
3:02 - Setup
3:26 - Climbing
4:55 - Descending
6:47 - Components
8:57 - Pros
9:53 - Cons
10:46 - Verdict
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I love seeing all these new bikes with 65° headtubes, and 76° seat tubes. We're in a golden age for mountain bike technology right now. So many great do-all bikes.
A year later and you see all those 62 deg headtubes and 80 deg seattubes.
Watching for when these are showing up used and barely abused on facebook marketplace in a year or two...
my T7 ain´t going nowhere haha
I'm seeing siskius occasionally already. Still was on my short list for my full suspension bike.
@@johnwood2317 check out the rift zone 27.5, I got it in January
im not seeing that happen, it like all the other markets, boats motorcycles an cars,, people aren't going t be Ripping deals on any of these items, at lease not the average person looking, a nice bike is always going to bring big money, you make an offer and the next thing you know is the next guy shot that down because he was willing to pay, there are so many people willing to flip a bike for little money, all these selling websites are loaded with people who monitor this shit all day everyday.
Finally, the review I was waiting for. Please review more polygon bikes.
Waiting on my T8 to come in the mail! Really impressed with the bike on paper.
*PB:* This is for riders not chasing their friends on Enduro bikes...
*Me: **_cries_* while chasing Enduro bikes on a Hardtail
Same bro
Got some enduro riders chasing me on a hardtail the other day. But same
same
"It is not the arrow, it is the Indian shooting it"
I ride with enduro rides with my HT, it's a lot fun
Got mine last week, the suspension feels amazing. After hitting the first jump on that thing I was just laughing to myself, still can't believe I got this bike.
How tall are you? What size?
@@danwinter3042 I'm 164 cm and I have the size S
Their better than a 3500 dollar Santa Cruz… it’s amazing what you get for your dollars.. they’re the sh1t
Ordered one of these in mid March, it’ll be here next Monday. Cheers to the preorders for making my summer. 🤙🏼
I got my T8 just like a month ago, and I agree with your review, so much fun and forgiving, I'm not a fast rider as well.....yup, I have upgraded the rotor as well....when you riding a long descending track, you'll find the brakes needs to be upgraded...but overall very worthy with the price!
Finally!! I'm so excited for this review.
I really like it!!!
I upgraded absolutely everything!!
including the frame!!
to an Orbea Oiz m-team tr
now weighing in at
21 lbs 10 oz it’s now finally a True weapon flies uphill like a road bike
Great review
Great reviews, thanks folks.
I'm looking at one to replace my 2014 Stumpjumper. The price and spec seems excellent, far more realistic for my limited wallet.
Ordered mine 2 months ago. FedEx shows delivery for tomorrow. Excited to give this a try out.
Waiting for mine to ship any day now! Can’t wait
Polygon bikes are so underrated man idk why people hate on polygon. They’re a fun company which is why they like to give everyone opportunities not just the pros but these bikes are insane and definitely help your riding skills
Polygon is one of the higher end and popular bike brands here in Indonesia, where the brand is based on. Imo their bikes are great for the price, though people are starting to look down on it cause it's not some foreign bike brand
It’s because of the d series
Who's hating on Polygon?
@@HOllyBOni then who?
@@elismith4532 why the D series? have u ever ride them on medium or long term period?
I would love to see a list with all the bikes that almost got into the test (if there are some)
Love your conten
In today's worrld, the bigger question is...can you actually buy one, or are they on a 2 year backorder? lol
Large and XL are available for preorder right now in the US. Delivery in June.
I ordered my n7 beginning of Feb and got it april 6th. The ETA was april 26th.
no i cant :D
I ordered mine April 16th and got an eta time of may 24th but I’ve been seeing a lot of people getting them early
Pre order it. Polygon is restocking bikes faster than anyone else. I ordered an n7 and received it 3 weeks later. A heads up: Bikes online kinda blows for customer service and it's impossible to get suspension pivots right now
I just got my T8 three weeks ago and I have to say it's amazing how the suspension makes you feel in control of the bike. It definitely encourages you to try new stuff and have fun.
I don't ride fast enough (yet) to find the limitations of the brakes but I guess I'll just upgrade the rotors and pads next year
I've been riding a hardtail with Tektro brakes (2 piston) and have upgraded both the rotors and pads - got to say upgrading to metallic pads made a huge instant difference, and was cheaper and made a much bigger difference than upgrading the rotors
Sounds like the bike i want. I have a nice hardtail but definitely looking at a full suspension for that extra squish and stability on some of the techier trails out here
Just got my T8 this week! ITS A GOD DAMN BEAST!! Even bigger and better looking in person. Got all my upgraded parts on and suspension set up for a shakedown run this weekend, so pumped!!
I'm getting my T8 next week! May I ask what upgrades you made to it? And do you still have the bike? I'm graduating from a Marin SQ3
@@iddinshah83 I love the San quentin 🤘🏽
Yeah I still have it, just had a suspension service this week actually. Yeah I upgraded just the minor things like pair of Look clipless pedals, diety Brendog bars, new grips, mud guards. Oh and I just put a new fox dropper cable on cause the one it comes with is horrid. It's awsome bike straight out of the box ! Enjoy !
How tall are you and what size did you get if you don't mind me asking??
@@sam_smyth I'm 175cm. I was in the middle of medium and large. This being my first 29er I went with medium !
@@avefromrave sweet thanks 🤟🏻
Just ordered a t7; and cant wait. going from a intro budget hardtail (sub $500) to this.
How are you enjoying your t7? I'm eyeing that one as well.
@@andrewscasualmtb ended up upgrading to a t8 as the t7 was out of stock in my size at the time. Loving it tbh. It is a bit heavy tho especially with the veeflow tires they’re shipping with right now. But it is very capable.
@@Crafftyyy Cool. Thanks for the quick reply. 👍👍
my 2021 siskiu t is an excellent seated climber despite the weight but a terrible standing climber. i am loving it though. very confidence inspiring.
Love the review. I had it on my spreadsheet. “Not for Climbers” OK maybe it is not on the shortlist, but my climbs are tech, so the active suspension would be nice. Man I wish I could demo one first.
For what its worth there are some long term reviewers out there who have simply added volume spacers to the 34 and the dps to help smooth out the suspension a bit. The DPS from polygon generally comes with a .4 spacer and the recommended upgrade is .8, as for the fork you can add up to 4 volume spacers on the 34, so sticking a few 10cc spacers in there would go a long way to making this bike a better climber and also reduce the likelihood of bottoming out the fork, it is very soft (by design) at delivery.
Getting mine tomorrow! So ready!
Mines coming at the end of the month, I’m super psyched!
How was it?
@@aedanbyrne2820 it’s such a sick bike
Nice I'm definetley saving for it
I bought a T8 and its coming in a month cant wait
Got the T8 (first full sus mtb) a month or so ago, all in all I am pretty satisfied. I'm 185 cm x 80 kg and got the size L. As novice rider I like the brakes, they are soft biting yes, but so far they always had plenty of stopping power on the trails I ride. >The lack of harsh bite is a plus for me, I never felt like flying over the bars for a sudden stop. My other bike is a gravel bike, so on fire roads and smooth climbs I lock both fork and rear shock and still it feels like pushing a freight cart. Not the best climber at all... but once it starts rolling even on just the slightest downhill it picks up and keeps momentum super easily and it's a real pleasure to ride. As you said, not ideal for long cross-country days in the saddle, at least not without faster rolling tires and a stiffer suspension setup. but for an afternoon in the woods is the best.
Yeah, honestly I think people that review bikes for a living are way pickier about brakes than your average rider. I've had what most bike reviewers consider crappy brakes on the bikes I've owned and yet they've never had an issue stopping me. Now I can get it if you're doing 3000 foot downhill runs especially if you weigh a lot, but for most riders on most trails most brakes will be fine.
I'm 185 and I took XL. I hope will be not too big xDD ps. couriers lost 1st bike while delivering, now waiting for replacement xD
I got a vander t7 the other day. It's similiar but definetly specced lower and has less travel
Great review guys.
I'm waiting for 2021 Vitus Mythique VRX VIDEO! Great videos!
You guys must try Patrol 691s 2020 and United Epsilon T6 2020 .
Take a shot every time Leavy says "forgiving" in the video.
Or active
@@masongorski7845 Anwser c) both
Drunk in 11 mins haha
In my opinion, the reviewers dont know what to say anymore, cause the bikes are all the same except a few little differences, so I wouldn´t blame them.
Riding a Small T7 with a hair more travel BUT the RS Recon fork I feel is its one weakness. As for the brakes, I will have to try metalic pads to see what he’s talkin about but I think the brakes on my bike which are 4-pot up front and 2-pot rear work just fine for my style of riding. I guess because mine is a Small with 27.5 im luggin around a bit less weight so i feel my bike climbs pretty good. The WTB 2.4 trail bosses are better suited for the longer climbs. I do wish I had that Fox 34. Other than that, pretty happy with the bike… excellent value!
EDIT: Oh and if you do get one of thse bikes, IMMIDIATELY change the saddle as the entity one it comes with is no bueno. Some complain about the grips too but I find the entity ones are ok. Just got me some PNW Loam grips.
I have received mine last week via a reseller and it appears one way Polygon can get the price down that much is by skimping on QC. There are issues with the black paint on the underside of the downtube where it bends towards the BB and in the same section there is also a dab of weld seemingly random on the downtube, maybe a dent or hole that was filled? There are other paint issues as well including the rainbow effect paint already being scratched out of the box. Seatstay chain protector adhesive is already spotty and peeling off. It did not come with Hans Dampf tires but Vee Flow Snap. I guess I can live with all of that but what baffled me was the rear wheel. It was out of true by 2-3mm and I have found more than a dozen spots where the spokes where scratched down to the blank metal, not including the sections where the spokes cross. The bike in the test appears to show the same, look at the spoke directly below the chainstay at 7:15 and the second spoke to the right of the valve at 8:07. I have not seen a new wheel like this and that is with me having gotten some bargain sets in the past. The front wheel by comparison looks ok-ish, but also easily noticeable out of true. Talking to the retailer makes it appear like issues like this are not unknown to them. I assume many bikes will be perfectly fine, but bikes that may be rejected at another brand might get a pass here for the sake of overall margin and pricing. I guess that the slightly higher price Marin Bikes which come from Polygon as well go through stricter QC.
You should have sent it back and demanded a new one and ask them to check before they send. Polygon not that great value here in Australia
Polygon makes frames for many big brands so this is probably high quality. The spec is hard to beat at this price. Also, this bike looks great. I really like the design and paint. Seems like a good option.
Hi. What brands are those?
@@Gibsonlp64 one of the brands is Marin...not sure what other ones they make.
@@Gibsonlp64 marin and virus, there are more too
Polygon is the in-house brand of Insera Sena, who are part owners of Marin. They also make frames for Scott and Kona, but have had relationships with a whole bunch of brands, because they have a big R&D operation that many bike brands lack.
That paint in the sun it's just gorgeous
I've had mine for two years now. Upgrades: Marzocchi Z1 and Bomber CR w/Cane Creek Progressive spring and custome tune. Spank Spike 33 Race wheels, Spank Spike 38mm stem, SLX cranks, One Components Single guide and Pedals, Race Face SIXC 1/2 rise bar and GettaGrip Grips with some Maxxis Assagi and Minion SS or Shorty for the rear. It's a banger mini-DH sled for everything in the Mid Willamette Valley. Gnomer, Loamer, WhistlePunk/MiseryWhip, Chootes and Boulders, GK 1-5, Sunday Stroll... no problems what so ever.
I have a T8. I have no problem with the brakes.
I lock out the suspension (front and back) on bike paths. I semi lock it out on dirt hills. I ahven't had enough timke with it to dial in the suspension settings/tokens etc.
I've had problems with gear selection due to the shift cable moving. I'm still working on it.
I put a more comfy seat on it. And grips. The pedals are fine.
I put narrower bars on it to help with getting through trees at a pace.
Perfect bike!! Would love this dream
I freaking love my 'gon!
Plz do one on a diamondback.. particularly the atroz 3
Mine was delivered today! Vee Flow Snap tires shipped on the bike vs. the Schwalbe Hans Dampf spec. Anyone know if the Vee Flow Snap a comparable option? Cant complain too much. would rather have my bike then wait longer for tires on spec.
Love my Siskiu N9 best bang for buck!
it is truly a cool, muscular, beautiful & great performance bike. really love my T8
I’ve had several Polygons. Good value bikes 👌
Thanks Pinkbike! Seems like a lot of fun and pretty versatile while looking stunning at its price tag! As I'm coming from a carbon frame XC-Bike with 100/100 mm travel and now looking for something more fun and capable, I'm just a bit worried by its weight, climbing and going in a straight line performance. Any suggestions of a bike a little lighter but similiar in fun, travel and allround performance?
The best looking siskiu..
Interesting, Vital spoke a lot about rear end flex and tyre roll in their review of this bike. Did you not notice that? Genuinely interested to hear as I'm about to buy either this or the Marin.
MyeMTB came with those Tektro brakes. They sucked, so I put on Shimano XT vented pads (which are compatible) and the brakes were suddenly transformed to the same level as my XT brakes!
What is the exact model of the rubbers?
Oh I need a review of this quality on the Polygon Siskiu N9
Greetings from Ukraine guys! I'm riding on this stuff and I love it, not just a color or fork or etc in general bike moving pretty stable. Best of all I like short radius turns the bike copes with them perfectly.
Yes, the bike sways a little when pedaling upwards, but if you do it skillfully and do not tear the bike out of place, everything is fine. In general, the bike is excellent and worth the money.
The brakes may and should be replaced, but again it all depends on how you ride, I have enough of mine.
hi, where did you ordered the bike ? , i'm from Romania and can't find any seller close to where i live ..
@@florinprecup2909 dnipro.bike/ official reseller
Okay so watching these has told me that getting different brake pads and rotors could improve my bikes braking performance, does anyone have any tips for what to buy?
But do the rear ends/chain stays snap for a past time like its cousin, the Caliber Bossnut?
Pay as little or as much as you like for the bike depending on build, but 8f the frame snaps, it's worth nowt.
Just got mine today!!!
Can you run tubelees with tires that have super stiff dh cassing?
Please review the 2021 Specialize fuse 27.5!
Do the current Grip conpression dial stay puy ot will it shift podiyion while riding rough terrain or bunny hopping? I had a 32 where it was upgraded fromctd to Grip cus damper broke the service centre told me. Both were not super secure, but i rode quite hard with the Grip, but had to ziptie it secure in open mode. Have they changes the Grip dial mechanism or spring to prevent it? I remember one time yhe fork got almosy rigid during a downhill.
Radon Bikes, a german direct sales brand, does give you the same components for under 2000 Euros. Or you can spend an additional 500 to get a Fox Performance Suspension and a Carbon Frame. Don´t get me wrong, Polygon, Canyon and YT do give you all a lot of bike for your money, but if you should happen to live in those selectded european countries and be able to get your hand on one of these beauties, don´t hesitate.
Could you make a review of the latest ghost slamr
Got this used (60km ridden) 2 weeks ago, threw some volume spacers front and back, big dude and all. Really loving it, here in Finland lot of roots and rocks.
Is Polygon siskiu t8 good at downhill? Please tell
The best bang for yo bucks 💥🔥💥🔥
really reminds me of my 2017 giant trance2
Can't wait to see the Rift Zone
Can anyone let me know if the polygon D7 is suitable for jumping?
What budget bike (under 3k US) would you say is the more sporty poppy and challenge your friends on their enduros?
I wasnt happy that when my T8 arrived (around 5/01/21) the cool lil cardboard box inside that had all the paperwork and tools etc had been opened and pretty much dumped out inside the big box and the big box had a hole in the bottom from shipping so who knows what was missing.
More importantly- they had Vee tire co tires on the bike instead of the Schwalbes that they listed. - Those are worth about half as much by the way. -also a paint chip by the emblem on the headtube.
So I emailed them -only about the tires- asking them to take the vee's back and send me the Schwalbes...
The bikes online guys try to distance themselves from polygon like it was a different company and took zero responsibility for the manufacturer swap. (polygon is the only bike online bikes sells)
They said there was a shortage (obviously you can buy as many Schwalbes as you want on Amazon).
They said I should be glad i didnt have to wait longer for the right tires ( I did wait about 4-5 months).
Im ok with taking a chance to save money adjusting the bike myself etc, Im not ok with this company not sending me what they advertised and what I paid for.
Finally an honest review of this bike......That I wish i had seen before I purchased one.
I'm getting on the Siskiu T8 Large 29er from a 2010 Scott Spark 40 with 26" wheels, and man, chalk and cheese. The T8's sooooo much harder to climb on. Almost all of my local tracks are techy ascents and descents and this is not the bike for that kind of riding, well the ascents anyway. The geometry is completely different and I'm hoping I get used to it in the next ride or two because at the moment I'm struggling to get through tracks i usually breeze through.
I'm feeling a little gutted because I was really excited, but oblivious to how different it would be. This bike is built for descent, and it seems quite good at that. I'm not sold on the new 1x12 speed gearing either. I honestly feel the 2x and 3x with the front derailleur is still better.
Just my opinion, but if you are looking for a bike to go fast up and down hill, I don't reckon this is the bike for you.
Thank you for posting this - I’m looking at the T7/T8 and had concerns about tech climbs. Have things improved for you any with more time?
Hello😊
Greetings from Costa Rica 🇨🇷
How can I get a Polygon here in my country? Is there a shipping method?
did you guys happen to pick up a Vander T7 and review it? wondering what your opinions are on it
Just look up Calibre Bossnut, it’s the same bike.
Simply cannot wrap my head around the price of this bike vs capability. An affordable and capable full suspension bike for the masses that do not want to drop $6,000 to $8,000. Well done Ploygon. Would love to ride one.
For those complaining about Vee tires, its ok. Its not famous like schwalbe, etc... but it can hold its own. Pros in my area are beginning to use Vee tires.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like a lot of this review is addressing suspension tune. I've got one in the way and I'm planning on swapping the wheelset and adding spacers front + back, see if we can't make it more "sporty and poppy"
Actually haven't found the suspension too bad for smooth climbs but man it was brutal for a tech climb. The softness keeps traction, but it also makes it a little more work to lift/throw the front wheel around to get over roots/bumps on a technical ascent so I was basically dying by the time I hit the top. A lot of that is lack of fitness and being a friggin noob, but damn did it feel like picking up a sleeping cat sometimes trying to get the front end up at low speeds. I have since added volume spacers and pumped the rear up, as well as located the front rebound adjustment (I did say I was a noob right?) and the suspension is night and day. Hoping to tackle that same tech climb and see how much better it is now. It has been a dream to ride in every other scenario since doing that.
I'm thinking of doing the suspension spacer hack to my T8. Can you explain which spacers you used and what rebound adjust you did in detail? Any info would be great thanks!
@@animaysh hey man, this is almost certainly not useful to you unless you are a fellow man whale, but I have the largest spacer in from the set (red I think), rebound turn it fully ccw then 1 notch cw, and my psi is 250. I weigh 128kg without gear, which is why this is probably not useful to you, I don't see many dude my size riding at all lol. If you are anything north of 95 I'd still do this but possibly less psi/rebound. Front forks remain to be tweaked fully as they handle fine on Max rebound but I'll be adding spacers to them soon too.
Thanks for the reply. I've done the 0.4 to 0.6 spacer on my rear shock and now it never hits max. Fronts however are always maxed so I'll probably do the spacer thing. I'm total noob too and went through the tech climbing hell. I found that locking off the suspension makes a huge difference. Getting the weight more over the front handle bars helped too.
Ini sepeda MTB terbaik dikelasnya
🤘😍
I hear some brands tend to be more larger built like the Marin. Does anyone know the size of this bike for a person that is 5'9?
By the way the M size with 27.5 inch wheels is 145mm of rear travel and 150 of front travel
First upgrade, 1.handlebar, 2.rims, hubs 3. brakes
Polygon for the Win!
Make a rewiew of the Jeffsy Core 2 27,5. Please
Checked just now no stock. Didn't even give me the option to pre-order. Maybe I have to call to try and pre-order. Covid sucks, way to be long to get some bikes at the moment.
I had a question on sizing. Is their sizing chart accurate? I’m 5foot3 and they recommend a small. Should I go with the size small?
Size s is way to go. Im same height as u riding s
I am considering this vs the mythique vrx vs the meta tr 29 anyone has any experience with the three ? Any advice is welcome
great review!!!!
Do they have a medium size or 7.5 rim version? Have you rode that one side-by-side with the 29 er ?
I’m interested in the 20 Niner. I am just interested in how the 27.5 would perform if there is one. Because of the reports of the stellar performance of the 29 inch I think it would be very interesting.
Medium has 27.5 or 29. I got the 27.5 for a more nimble feel and slightly more travel.
Next, review the Siskiu N9.
Where are you seeing you can buy just the frame?
That’s a bit out of my price range. But my wife was looking at the 7! This is the start of our 2nd season and she is ready to move on from her Liv tempt 3 already. Would this be a good purchase (T7) value wise?
Great value but a bit heavy for lighter riders. My neighbor just sold his T7 in favour of a lighter, more xc focused bike, a Transition Spur or YT Izzo I think. Hope this helps.
What would you consider lighter? 150lbs or less? She is more than that. Would it be good for a 200lb rider?
@@bdub4112 Lighter as in leg strength rather than just body weight. T7 is a bit slow on the climbs but fun on the downs. My neighbor loves distance rather than playing. Certainly the T7 is solid and good value. Cheers 👍🏻
When will there be a trek roscoe 7 2022 review?
Super excited about buying this bike. But oh wait. No stock.
Pre order it. Their turn around is super fast
Is this bike good on the road? For commuting to traild
I don't get how brakes don't have enough grab but you can lock the tire fairly easily. I have a T7 well broken in and it has been great. I also don't get how other bikes can have virtually identical components but are rated "better". Overpriced treks feel exactly the same unless they're specd with better components.
Can you guys explain what active suspension is? Just curious on knowing how it works and what bike would and would not have active suspension
They are just referring to how much the suspension moves when pedaling. On a climb more rider weight is generally shifted to the center/front of the bike so the rear suspension tends to engage and kind of "bob" up and down, hence active. However, Fox forks and shocks can all be adjusted with volume spacers, so this suspension can be tuned to make it a better ride for different types of riders. Polygon delivers this bike with a soft suspension setup, adding a larger spacer in the rear shock and several volume spacers in the fork goes a long way to leveling out the travel on this suspension setup.
@@superjuice2803 yeah ok that makes sense my bike definitely has active suspension thank you for explaining it 👍
Hey guys can you try the dartmoor blackbird next
The best bike for close hoyos
I just got this bike. Looks great but it's full of noises -creaks,pops,clicks. I dropped the fork slightly and there is zero grease on the headset upper and lower ?? I'm suspecting some of the noise is the internal cables rattling in the frame. I'm going to try adding foam over the internal cables to see if that solves but not I'm not sure how I feel about it. Just picking it up to move the bike and the bike creaks,clicks,pops all over the place . Bike seems to perform great but noises are driving me crazy. I've had it one week now. Now fixed read my reply
UPDATE - Fixed. Using a mechanics stethoscope I isolated the noises to the headset and cables/hose in the frame. I greased the headset myself and added jagwire internal foam damper to the internals. I didn't disconnect the hose/cables. I cut multiple 3-4 inch sections and cut a slit opening in them so I can wrap around the cables than I used tape to close and secure and slid the sections in one by one. Bike seems perfect now. No weird noises. 👍👍👍
I have the bike with the WTB Trail Boss 2.4 light... these tyres really expand the range of this great bike to have fun also in routine XC, or a few hours moderate speed epic routes, and without loosing any confidence in hard ground technical trails (compared to the schwalbe 2.6, which I also rode on the Siskiu).
It's little bit weird seing SNI (National Standard of Indonesia) sticker on internationally recognized bike..
Hey Levy, I’m 179cm tall, I want a fun bike to throw around. I’m leaning more towards the medium 27.5 rather than large, big mistake?
I would join the polygon group on facebook (Polygon MTB Group) and ask that question to see if someone with the same size as you and what bike size they went for.
can you please review a Scott Genius.....
Siskiu T8 Mantab lurrrr..... Josss..... 😁 👍
Anyone know what kind of helmet he is using?
First time I saw this I immediately put it in my dream full-sus bike list along with the Commencal Meta TR and Calibre Bossnut
The reasons being that it looks banger, it's pretty dang cheap, and it's Indonesian lmao skrrr indogaaannggg