Cessationism, Calvinism, Alistair Begg & Trump w/ Phil Johnson & Mike Riccardi
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Wonderful discussion panel. Enjoyed it very much. I am 77 years old, and the Holy Spirit led me out of the weeds of false teachers and to the sound doctrine teachings of Dr. MacArthur, Dr Lawson, and of the late Dr. R.C. Sproul. How blessed I am that I was delivered out of a church that did not teach sound and fundamentally correct theology. I'm so grateful for the Holy Spirit leading me on to that narrowest of roads, which ultimately is the path to eternity in Heaven.
I’m 77 too! This is a treat…I enjoy Phil Johnson
Amen, my friend God is so good to HIS.
I am 72. I am so grateful, I now see the truth! This did not happen overnight, or in an instant. Over several months, truth has been revealed. Thank you for making this video. It is the best explanation of election and propitiation. I’m so thankful to be included with those who believe.
It's interesting that you have no problem with these guys basically speaking heresy. Saying that the gifts of the spirit or not for today. Where is that in the Bible show me an actual quote about that. You won't find any BTW what IIt's interesting that you have no problem with these guys basically speaking heresy. Saying that the gifts of the spirit or not for today. Where is that in the Bible show me a actual quote about that. You won't find any BTW what I see is Paul talking to an immature church at Corinth correcting them on the use of the gifts of the spirit. Nothing about them ceasing. You need to ask yourself this one question why would God take away gifts that would benefit the church specially in the first and second centuries when there were such incredible persecution .?
This echoes my thoughts exactly…I’m 5 years behind you. 😉
Phil and Mike are great apologetic representatives. I spent 30+ years open to charismatic/pentecostal doctrine, but after surviving the ventilator 4 years ago, i came off it with a strong desire to know what God has revealed to us that led me to studying formal doctrine. I never heard the truths in my entire life as an armenian believer and discovered I was never regenerated. I have since been saved in the true sense and have rejected compromised doctrinal heresies and my understanding of the Gospel and truth in doctrine has opened my grasp and understanding of God's revealed Truth to us. Discernment is a direct result of His truth. When we finally reject lies and heresies, our understanding and discernment become incredible.
I loved this discussion.
Not saying this is your case, but most people have no real understanding of Arminianism. They just assume that if you not reformed/Calvinist, then you're Arminian. But that's so off base. I've heard so many people say they were Arminian, till they became Calvinist leaning. When pressed, it's plain they were not Arminian, just believed the typical church understanding that we choose Christ from our free will, as a response to the Gospel, which isn't Arminianism.
@@hagenjunger2914 Can you give a brief explanation of Arminianism? Thanks. I was born again long before I ever heard of Calvinism but then realized I agreed with it. No idea what Arminianism is.
@@jodyel
In Arminianism- mankind is totally depraved, same as Calvinism. However, in Arminianism, through the preaching of the Gospel and other means of grace, God sets their wills free to be able to believe. After their wills are freed to believe, it is an issue of free will, but only after God has made it possible. Whereas Calvinism sees an irresistible grace, where only the elect can respond, and the non elect can't./won't.
Most Christians fall either Calvinist or a general free will understanding(mankind is sinful and depraved, but still able to make the free choice to respond to Christ). Below is a great resource website to understand Arminianism. PS I don't really hold to any system, And I'm ok with people who do, as it helps them in their walk with the Lord. The reason why there is disagreements is because the different views have scriptural backing. I think one places God's sovereignty as the highest characteristic and the other God's love as the highest characteristic. And from there the systems are formed.
evangelicalarminians.org/an-outline-of-the-facts-of-arminianism-vs-the-tulip-of-calvinism/
@@hagenjunger2914 Okay, thanks. And I am surprised you got your comment to stand with a link in it. I have never been able to do that. YT always deletes my comments if they contain an outside link. Thanks again.
Hello. I hope you don't mind me bringing to your attention that while reading the Bible on my own, I've found that it never once says that Jesus is God. If you look for a plain scripture where Jesus says, "I am God," you will not find it. Nor will you find anyone saying "Jesus is God." The vast majority of churches in the world teach that Jesus is God, which according to my recent discoveries, is a doctrine based solely on interpretation. That's very dangerous, especially since God says he will not share his praise and glory with another (Psalm 42:8).
Remember, this is Satan's kingdom we're in right now, and I believe this is the enemies booby trap under the church waiting to go off at judgment. Look at 2 Peter 1:1-3... "just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them... many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be spoken evil of... they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine."
"Denying the Master," how? As shown above, by taking the glory and praise due to God and placing it upon his Son, and exhalting him as God when he's a man like you and me, who has the same God and Father as you and me (John 4:22, John 20:17). To say again, detracting from the work of who and what Jesus is and did, which is his rightful glory, and putting God's glory as Father and creator on Jesus. This worship is causing the Son to eclipse the Father.
Jesus never said "I am God." We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
Thanks to GCC for being the city set on a hill that cannot be hidden and for the incredible favor God has on this amazing ministry ❣️
the Spurgeons of today in theology at GCC, thank you for this
Great conversation! Johnson and Riccardi are top notch!
Thanks so much for watching my friend!
Also, you are top notch.
Love Phil and Mike.
Thanks for watching!
How beautiful is God's Word when it's rightly divided! I thank God for Pastors Phil and Mike.
How do you know it's rightly being divided?
Because I do as the Bereans do.@@Golden_writes550 "Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true" (Acts 17:11).
@Golden_writes550 three legged stool... scripture, reason and tradition
@@DPouesi2 is someone coming to you and claiming someone else is the messiah? For this is what the Berea's were testing. This is the context of this verse. And remember they used the OLD TESTAMENT. The New was not yet available. But this does not answer the question. How do you know he is rightly dividing the word of GOD? If you ask Jw's or Morman's they will give you their interpretation and the who follow them will say the same as you. We test the the spirit(1Jn 4:1) A few different way's, The word of God. What the church has always interpreted from of old.( If it's new it's not true) And The early saints of old's interpretation. For the Apostles had disciples after them who spoke to the Apostles themselves.
@@bigtobacco1098 Your missing one. What the Church of old has always taught on specific passages.
This is one of the most comprehensive reivews of these subjects I think Ive ever heard. Well done gentlemen! I will be sharing this with many many people!
Thank you for the kind words!
You bet! Cant wait to hear thr Ruslan one!
What an edifying conversation ❤
Thanks for watching!
I love how express there view with the word. Very thoughtful and well explained.
Thanks so much for watching!
I thoroughly enjoyed this discussion! The people who attend Grace Community Church are extremely fortunate! I'm glad Phil and Mike plan to stay and "bring the fight" ! Many thanks gentlemen!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great discussion! Thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Great truths spoken love Phil and pastor mike
Excellent. Finally I have clarity and understanding on these topics. Thank you!
So glad this was helpful!
Hello. I hope you don't mind me bringing to your attention that while reading the Bible on my own, I've found that it never once says that Jesus is God. If you look for a plain scripture where Jesus says, "I am God," you will not find it. Nor will you find anyone saying "Jesus is God." The vast majority of churches in the world teach that Jesus is God, which according to my recent discoveries, is a doctrine based solely on interpretation. That's very dangerous, especially since God says he will not share his praise and glory with another (Psalm 42:8).
Remember, this is Satan's kingdom we're in right now, and I believe this is the enemies booby trap under the church waiting to go off at judgment. Look at 2 Peter 1:1-3... "just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them... many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be spoken evil of... they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine."
"Denying the Master," how? As shown above, by taking the glory and praise due to God and placing it upon his Son, and exhalting him as God when he's a man like you and me, who has the same God and Father as you and me (John 4:22, John 20:17). To say again, detracting from the work of who and what Jesus is and did, which is his rightful glory, and putting God's glory as Father and creator on Jesus. This worship is causing the Son to eclipse the Father.
Jesus never said "I am God." We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
This is life changing for me. TY so much.!!✝️🗡🛡
So great to hear! Thanks for watching!
Fantastic conversation!
You’re fantastic.
These discussions are so helpful. My ministry has taken me into both worlds. Thanks guys!
Thanks for watching!
This conversation was awesome
You’re awesome
Loved this discussion. Thank you for your broadcast and especially the comment about talking to each other, not about each other. There are too many attacks between Christians happening on social, as the algorithms and the egos get the better of some folks. Face it, when we get to heaven we will all realize we were wrong about something, and clearly right about the most important thing! Agree on the essentials, apologize to each other when we get carried away and go too far, and have more of these conversations!
Another viewer commented on Dr. MacArthur and the late Dr. R.C. Sproul. Those men did not agree on some non-essentials, yet set a great example we can follow! There is no question they will be laughing about it someday.
Thank you so much! You’ve totally figured out our whole heart behind this ministry.
Great conversation
Thank you!
Jesus was and is the propitiation for the whole world but ONLY those who receive it through faith will receive the gift of eternal life.
Hello. I hope you don't mind me bringing to your attention that while reading the Bible on my own, I've found that it never once says that Jesus is God. If you look for a plain scripture where Jesus says, "I am God," you will not find it. Nor will you find anyone saying "Jesus is God." The vast majority of churches in the world teach that Jesus is God, which according to my recent discoveries, is a doctrine based solely on interpretation. That's very dangerous, especially since God says he will not share his praise and glory with another (Psalm 42:8).
Remember, this is Satan's kingdom we're in right now, and I believe this is the enemies booby trap under the church waiting to go off at judgment. Look at 2 Peter 1:1-3... "just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them... many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be spoken evil of... they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine."
"Denying the Master," how? As shown above, by taking the glory and praise due to God and placing it upon his Son, and exhalting him as God when he's a man like you and me, who has the same God and Father as you and me (John 4:22, John 20:17). To say again, detracting from the work of who and what Jesus is and did, which is his rightful glory, and putting God's glory as Father and creator on Jesus. This worship is causing the Son to eclipse the Father.
Jesus never said "I am God." We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
Amen 🙏🏻
This was great. Loved it. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
Love how you desire to have good dialogue with both sides of the table. I believe we should all be teachable. That said, for all of these topics, I believe that there is only one truth that the Holy Spirit meant as He inspired the writers. We must use good hermeneutics and also realize that we as humans are fallible.
I will hold to limited atonement when someone can reconcile it with Romans 5:18, “Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.” Also with 1John 2:2, “And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.”
And also Hebrews 2:9, “But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.” It is evident from just these 3 verses, among many, that the atonement WAS NOT limited.
Amen 🙏🏻! I think TULIP helps in providing a good theological groundwork, but TULIP itself is not perfect and just a human made frame. I disagree as well with this description, limited atonement should be called limited effective atonement. The atonement itself was not limited and covers certainly every human who ever lived. Your Bible verses prove enough support. But it’s true, it’s not effective for everyone!
Here here … thank you ps Phil. Strange fire opened my eyes. I was basically Hillsong churched ….
Then strange fire ripped open my eyes to reading scripture and getting a biblically based pastor to lead me and my family
Thank you guys for doing this. I learned a whole lot
Thank you for watching!
Just recently ran across your channel. Thanks for what you’re doing within the Body of Christ.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent discussion! Love it!
Thanks so much for watching!
Watching on the plane!
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That was an amazing gift. It was very nice of Phil Johnson and Mike Ricardi to take the time out of their crazy schedule and spend almost 2 hours with you. Gracious gift indeed. Bless the Lord, for He alone is worthy!
Please note that while I am reformed in my theology, I am not a cessationist. That is the one thing that I have never agreed on with John MacArthur. Thanks again for this video.
The text in John 3:16 is open to all who believe. That is why we preach which is the delivery system because the offer is not mandatory.
Hi, just managed to get hold of Thomas R Edgar
Satisfied by the Promise of the Spirit 🎉
Thank you for the recommendation 👍😀
God bless you
Fantastic!!!
Why would Jesus give the great command if some are destined not to be saved and are not able to be a part of those who can have eternal life?
Romans 10 says How will they believe if they dont hear the gospel. We do not know who the elect are therefor we go out and preach the gospel. We only have to obey our Lords commandment, He will use us to save his elect.
Very good
Dr. Riccardi at 1:20:15 is perfectly describing the attitude of Sam Storms as recently displayed in the American Gospel roundtable.
Something else that needs to be mentioned is something Chris on F4F taught is, that until the 1970s, Pentecostals taught restoration not continuation.
i’m lost….my church is falling more and more into continuitionism and it’s worrying, but i just can’t find a good safe churches in my area; i don’t know what to do
Hello. I hope you don't mind me bringing to your attention that while reading the Bible on my own, I've found that it never once says that Jesus is God. If you look for a plain scripture where Jesus says, "I am God," you will not find it. Nor will you find anyone saying "Jesus is God." The vast majority of churches in the world teach that Jesus is God, which according to my recent discoveries, is a doctrine based solely on interpretation. That's very dangerous, especially since God says he will not share his praise and glory with another (Psalm 42:8).
Remember, this is Satan's kingdom we're in right now, and I believe this is the enemies booby trap under the church waiting to go off at judgment. Look at 2 Peter 1:1-3... "just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them... many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be spoken evil of... they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine."
"Denying the Master," how? As shown above, by taking the glory and praise due to God and placing it upon his Son, and exhalting him as God when he's a man like you and me, who has the same God and Father as you and me (John 4:22, John 20:17). To say again, detracting from the work of who and what Jesus is and did, which is his rightful glory, and putting God's glory as Father and creator on Jesus. This worship is causing the Son to eclipse the Father.
Jesus never said "I am God." We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
G3 has a church search on
their website so does The Master's Seminary which is affiliated with Grace to You.
What do you think about the scripture in the GOSPEL of Matthew that says many are called but few are chosen?
Enjoyed this very much ...however, every talk I listen too regarding cessationism never addresses " knowledge" as it it grouped into tongues and prophesy as ending too. No one seems to know what knowledge means in this context.Can you shed some light please. Thank you ( are words of wisdom and words of knowledge still in operation and are they connected to verse 8 knowledge?) 1 cor 13:8
Great conversation! Can someone please explain the St. Nicholas reference?
St. Nicholas infamously punched a heretic in the face.
God bless you all
No, God bless YOU!
There were no believers, or unbelievers, until, and unless, they have been given something to believe or not believe. The offer was given. It is up to you to decide whether you want to take up the offer.
When the Israelites in the wilderness were bitten by poisonous snakes, God told Moses to make the serpent on a pole, and anyone who looked at the serpent - symbolizing the Christ who was to come - lived. Anyone who chose to behold the serpent. Just as John the Baptist later said of Christ, "Behold the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. " But those who chose not to look at the serpent on the pole died.
Beautiful Men. Well Done
Thank you so much!
I'm just listening to the part around 1:10:00 or so and I'm wondering if future generations of charismatics will claim Jeff Durbin as a charismatic given his experience with his son Augustine.
He’s basically Pentecostal 😎
46:46 this was a great answer
I disagree, saying the person himself doesn’t understand the language is not a good answer. If I were to speak Greek, record myself and post it online someone would understand it therefore in theory It’s not a mystery.
In addition, the Bible says that the gift of interpretation is a spiritual gift. Therefore the natural man can not understand and it can’t be a regular language.
Overall I say the answer is 1 out of 10
Thanks for the input
What church are you from in Brooklyn I have someone in Brooklyn in a need of a church!!!
Hey Ruth, shoot us a dm on Instagram. I’ll happily send you ALL of the info!
Praying this whole group is given the gift of tongues!
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22:10 what Phil says here is super important I think, listen again.
At 44:50 Prohibiting private gibberish in public. Biblical. Agreed!
I hold to the view as stated in Hebrews 1:1-2; God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many ways, IN THESE LAST DAYS HAS SPOKEN TO US IN HIS SON, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Doesn’t this mean that the Scriptures from Genesis through Revelation tell us everything we need to know? Who is speaking here through the whole of scripture in
context? What is the theme of the entire Bible? What is the theme of 1 Corinthians?
Add “in many portions and in many ways”
Notice the pattern in Acts 13:48 - 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and honored the word of the Lord, and all who had been appointed to eternal life believed
These gentiles HEARD, REJOICED and HONORED the Word of the Lord they responded to the message appropriately hence appointed. The were appointed by Paul's preaching prior to this. This does not mean that they were appointed from eternity past to belive at that moment.
The gift of God in Ephesians 2 is not faith but being saved by grace we respond to the message of the Gospel THROUGH faith, just like the ones in Acts 13:48 did, they responded through faith.
Hello. I hope you don't mind me bringing to your attention that while reading the Bible on my own, I've found that it never once says that Jesus is God. If you look for a plain scripture where Jesus says, "I am God," you will not find it. Nor will you find anyone saying "Jesus is God." The vast majority of churches in the world teach that Jesus is God, which according to my recent discoveries, is a doctrine based solely on interpretation. That's very dangerous, especially since God says he will not share his praise and glory with another (Psalm 42:8).
Remember, this is Satan's kingdom we're in right now, and I believe this is the enemies booby trap under the church waiting to go off at judgment. Look at 2 Peter 1:1-3... "just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them... many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be spoken evil of... they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine."
"Denying the Master," how? As shown above, by taking the glory and praise due to God and placing it upon his Son, and exhalting him as God when he's a man like you and me, who has the same God and Father as you and me (John 4:22, John 20:17). To say again, detracting from the work of who and what Jesus is and did, which is his rightful glory, and putting God's glory as Father and creator on Jesus. This worship is causing the Son to eclipse the Father.
Jesus never said "I am God." We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
And God gives that faith too! We can do nothing without Him!
@@adamden9947 agree, BUT there is a difference between “God gives” and “God has given” God has given a measure of faith to all, and this is clearly demonstrated in UN-believers as well,
Unbelievers hope the airline pilot is in good health and up to date in his training to fly safely
Unbelievers hope the doctor is capable to handle patients
Unbelievers have great faith and believe on lawyers to win their case
Unbelievers cry very hard and have great faith when their children are sick, for them to get well
Unbelievers faith is tested when taking a difficult test and training
One of the big reasons is, that faith has been distorted by sin and misappropriated.
So again, in context, in the book of Ephesians 2, faith is not the gift it is “saved by grace in Christ”
Even the glory that shone on Moses face after returning from training at mt. Sinai faded over time so....
Better than the Ruslan conversation 🙏
Haha couldn't have said it better. lol
It amazes me how they can love both Rulan and these Grace Community
Ruslan is an emotional nutcase
@@RockyTop85 thank you my friend! We’re definitely not perfect, but trying to live out John 13:34-35 the best we can.
God is sovereign but we are also given free will. This is in tension. We need both to make sense of both.
@SlaveofChrist1521I wouldn’t call it „free will“ either. The will is just a small part of a human inward being and not „free“ in terms of sin and being a slave of Satan and flesh. By your will you cannot change the colour of your hair etc. But man in itself is still a „sovereign“ and God binds himself to this small and very limited „sovereignity“…he couldn’t do many signs and wonders because! of their unbelieve. Or: whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven. Or: you have power to create descendants and even name them. Or subdue the earth. Best wishes
@SlaveofChrist1521 Hello Brother, I guess it’s the first time you ponder about this? If this is not true, man is a machine being switched on and off, which is not the case, obviously! Look at Jesus who wanted to gather Jerusalem, and what did he say: …but you didn’t want! Another example which moves me: God gave man authority to preach the gospel, it’s our duty to do it, angels will not take over! Anyway, God in heaven does what he wants, even if it takes 7 years like with nebukadnezar…quite a stubborn human sovereign😅
What love is this? Is a great book by the late great David Hunt that says every point on the tulip is absolutely wrong and I agree with him.🙏🏻 limited atonement is heresy. I could go on and on.
Heresy would mean these are false teachers. So r u saying all Calvinists aren’t saved?
@@Bibledingers they might be safe, but they’re living out of God’s will
@@Bibledingers Please reconcile limited atonement with 1John 2:1-2, Heb. 2:9 and Roman 5:18. Ask Phil about these and get back to us.
The Biblical gymnastics they have to go through to explain an obvious verse like John 3:16 tells you all you need to know.
Amen
Hello. I hope you don't mind me bringing to your attention that while reading the Bible on my own, I've found that it never once says that Jesus is God. If you look for a plain scripture where Jesus says, "I am God," you will not find it. Nor will you find anyone saying "Jesus is God." The vast majority of churches in the world teach that Jesus is God, which according to my recent discoveries, is a doctrine based solely on interpretation. That's very dangerous, especially since God says he will not share his praise and glory with another (Psalm 42:8).
Remember, this is Satan's kingdom we're in right now, and I believe this is the enemies booby trap under the church waiting to go off at judgment. Look at 2 Peter 1:1-3... "just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them... many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be spoken evil of... they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine."
"Denying the Master," how? As shown above, by taking the glory and praise due to God and placing it upon his Son, and exhalting him as God when he's a man like you and me, who has the same God and Father as you and me (John 4:22, John 20:17). To say again, detracting from the work of who and what Jesus is and did, which is his rightful glory, and putting God's glory as Father and creator on Jesus. This worship is causing the Son to eclipse the Father.
Jesus never said "I am God." We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
Pull-Ups are different from pull-ups.
Concerning Alistair Begg. Something needs to be remembered concerning him and that is he has not changed any of his doctrine or convictions. His council was certainly a bad counsel, but we would still agree with him that homosexuality and homosexual marriage is a sin as well as we as believers would want to do everything we can to protect the testimony of Christ. Unfortunately, Alistair took the protection of Christ testimony and used it to essentially ignore the egregious error found in homosexual marriage. Even if he stayed with that particular council and felt that it was sound, he would not be disqualified from being a pastor. Every Pastor has given bad counsel. It doesn’t mean their doctrine has changed.
At 37:50 - if a false prophecy must result in a stoning, do you believe we should stone the adulterer? A more rational argument is that we should break off fellowship with anyone who is proclaiming to speak for God if it is inconsistent with the Word of God.
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question: preaching the Word to ALL...of course, because we do NOT know who in the hearers of 1 person or millions listening who are the called and will hear/act on the call to come to the Lord in repentence for personal salvation of that person(s) who had been called even before the world was created..
Wow, these gentlemen are so bound to their Augustinian Gnosticism belief system (Calvinism), they don’t even recognize that they eisegete biblical text with their predetermined beliefs instead of exegeting the scripture to determine their beliefs.
That's exactly what I was thinking! It's true, but I don't think they realize it. They only see it when their opponents do it. How ironic!
It's so painful listening to them Glen ,
From across the pond in Manchester England- scaredy cats
SUPER SUPER BLESSED TO FIND THIS. PRAISE GOD FOR, THE TRUTH. SO MANY BELIEVE FALSELY. I ASK THIS VERY QUESTION.
DID JESUS DIE FOR EVERY SIN EVER COMMENTED BY EVERY HUMAN BEING THAT EVER LIVED. AND IVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH OF THIS. WHAT AN ANSWER TO PRAYER. MANY PEOPLE THINK, THE OTHER. THIS WAS WRONG TO ME. HALLELUJAH THE LORD REVIELED THIS TO ME IN HIS PERFECT TIMEING. CAN I GET THIS ON PAPER.?
Well put. Praise God as well as in Philippians 2:26 Paul could not heal Epaphroditus as he was sick to the point of death.
You’re spinning it.
I enjoy listening to baptists discussions on the role of the Holy Spirit. I learn a lot. I share with some of my Pentecostal friends. The one thing that closes their ears is when you guys start mimicking their ‘tongues’. You need to understand that it is sacred to them in their teaching. If you want them to understand the fault of it, please be careful about this sensitive subject. They genuinely believe you blasphemy the Holy Spirit at that point. Not that they’re right, but your loosing their ears at that point when you begin to laugh openly while ‘speaking in tongues’. So just wanted to ask to be more godly in that area.
What I never hear people mention is, what is the purpose of prophecy? It was God calling people to repentance.
1 Corinthians 13:13. Christ is the perfect, yet these three remain ...faith, hope, love. When Jesus arrives we will no longer need faith and hope because we will see Him face to face in love. Having said so, I am not a Pentacostal, nor do I speak in tongues.
You can feel the presents of God when you quote scripture that disproves Calvinist and a cold empty feeling when you defend it
How are you fellas getting such great meetings and interviews yet your channel is so newish and small?
We’ve been at it for years just not on video. We have an audio only podcast you should check going through every book of the Bible.
@@Bibledingers awesome will do! When you meeting with Ray Comfort?
@@tyrel5064 we actually tried after we exhibited during the last g3 conference. Hes a busy busy man as you can imagine.
A little shaky is an understatement
Yes unless you built the house on a bad foundation... Let's say😢 someone removed the cornerstone.... A hint .....love... ❤
The charismatic argument that the gifts today are not of the same caliber rebukes their other argument that because God never changes and is no respecter of persons, that what God did for one person He does for every person. The Pentecostal faith is contradictory. They use scripture in the moment and out of context
Missing God's motivation in Salvation, which is Love. It is not particular in the sense of who is chosen. The line was drawn before creation. The outcome of man's choice was predetermined. God says that I set before you life and death...choose life that you may live. I see the Bible teaches Provisionism and the restored icon theory.
whole world: maybe the "orderly arrangement" of the creation of the perfect earth and its animals, etc, not just man created that sinned or then were born sinners....but the perfect whole eath/cosmos that the Lord created and so loved....but, we as humans always turn it only towards ourselves redempted and forget that the whole of 6 creation days was affected/corrupted because of what occurred in the Garden of Eden. For God so loved the World (orderly arrangement/6 days of creation) that He sent....
Really, great video. Comment: Ever notice that all the miracles done by men in the NT are either Christ, or the direct disciples of Christ and after Christ’s ascension all miracles done by men are done by or in the presence of the Apostles.
This is a good interview and the style of talking from these man is very appealing, because it is very rational and unemotional. However their theology couldn't convince me, because you can hear the overall "meta-philosophy" in the interpretations that requires them to read often things into the texts that aren't there.
And when a theology-framework leads you to end up on a point where it's the exact opposite than the text of Scripture, that's just too spooky for me 😟
What about people who are fully and miraculously healed by God? It is recorded all over. It still happens. Only Jesus can heal. It was the only sign John’s followers understood to be THE sign that Jesus was the messiah.
Hello. I hope you don't mind me bringing to your attention that while reading the Bible on my own, I've found that it never once says that Jesus is God. If you look for a plain scripture where Jesus says, "I am God," you will not find it. Nor will you find anyone saying "Jesus is God." The vast majority of churches in the world teach that Jesus is God, which according to my recent discoveries, is a doctrine based solely on interpretation. That's very dangerous, especially since God says he will not share his praise and glory with another (Psalm 42:8).
Remember, this is Satan's kingdom we're in right now, and I believe this is the enemies booby trap under the church waiting to go off at judgment. Look at 2 Peter 1:1-3... "just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them... many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be spoken evil of... they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine."
"Denying the Master," how? As shown above, by taking the glory and praise due to God and placing it upon his Son, and exhalting him as God when he's a man like you and me, who has the same God and Father as you and me (John 4:22, John 20:17). To say again, detracting from the work of who and what Jesus is and did, which is his rightful glory, and putting God's glory as Father and creator on Jesus. This worship is causing the Son to eclipse the Father.
Jesus never said "I am God." We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
The point is that God did the healing. Modern faith healers don't do the healing. If they could do that, everyone they touched would be healed. God will heal who He wants to heal. The apostles were given those gifts for a specific purpose during a specific time.
Started off with a lie, so I can’t watch any longer. The invitation was, and is, for everyone. Whoever would believe is invited to live forever. Yes the invitation is for everyone. The choice, to RSVP, belongs to each of us.
Do you immediately need to jump to the accusation that how they interpret the scripture is a “lie”? Or are you being divisive with your Christian brothers?
So few viewed this video.
The assumption that "face to face" in 1 Cor 13 means the Second Coming needs to be re-evaluated (please!). The immediate context is much more important in interpretation than the similar terminology in I John (in an entirely different and unrelated context). "Face to face" is simply an element of Paul's metaphor of seeing a face in a blurry mirror vs seeing a face in person. Everyone is reading way too much into those three words and it goes wrong from there. Once you realize that the contrast is between partial and full revelation rather than the current age and the Second Coming, which fits perfectly with the child and adult metaphor, then the best understanding is that these means of revelation that existed before the Scripture was complete will become obsolete and will cease.
While I'm here, a couple more thoughts for you... 1) Everyone is a cessationist - it's only a question of degree. Even Pentecostals, who take their name from the signs during that event, don't believe that rushing winds and flames of fire still happen regularly during worship services, if at all; and 2) Are there any future prophecies in the New Testament (speaking about events anytime following the early church) that say God will send more signs and wonders? I don't see any, but I do see future prophecies that say after the early church there will be signs and wonders performed by Satan and his false teachers. Food for thought. :)
All men won’t
So we know the oldest church to date is the Catholic Church that’s what we can prove. So what protestants believe is the church Christ started fell apart and needed Martin Luther to come and fix the church Christ started. That’s what you are saying! I love being Christian Catholic, I really don’t know how Christins study the early church leaders and not see the same thing in the Catholic Church.
Because the Roman Catholic Church puts more stock in tradition then they do in the Bible. That was Martin Luthers's point. Mary is not our advocate in heaven, Jesus is. Buying indulgences save no one. We are saved through the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ. Mass will not save us. Baptism will not save us. Good works will not save us. Trusting Christ alone for our salvation will save us.
@@EvieBear236 see your answer shows that you have no understanding of you faith. And you also have no understanding of the mass and traditions. So the first Bible was created in 397ad and the cost to create a Bible would have cost a year worth of wages. So back then people could not even read or able to afford a Bible. And then the printing press was not created until 1500. So in the early Christian’s all they had was traditions. The mass in rooted in Christ and in Judea. Christ came to fulfill the law not to abolish. So why we believe in the Eucharist is because we take what Christ says in John 6 as literal, not as a metaphor. And Martin Luther still kept his beliefs in the eucharist and Mary. And if the Bible is all we need why did Jesus not give scripture? We really did not of scripture as people until the 1500. And the eucharist is a fulfillment of the Passover, everything in the old testament is in the new testament but better. I would encourage you to read the early church leaders or what Catholics call early church fathers. I used to be assembly of God pastor, I converted over a 1 year ago to catholicism. I used all the same arguments you used, and Martin Luther did not believe what the protestants believe today. And you did not answer my question, what you believe is the church Christ started fell apart and need Martin Luther to fix it? Because of Martin Luther we now have over 20k different Christian denominations and denomination means in Latin division. In the Catholic Church have repented for indulgences, the Catholic Church has been around for almost 2k years and with all the mess up and wrong doing the Catholic Church has weathered the storms because it’s the church Christ started.
It seems like this video is a reply to Caleb "I Think Biblically" recent video "John McArthur says Jesus didn't die for the sins of the world"
It’s not
Anyway, all of u r Spirit filled & God fearing man including Caleb. God blessed u guys ✝️
The Calvinist Position is incoherent.
Their response: “it’s a genuine offer” 17:55 “if the terms of the offer be observed that which is offered will be granted”
Imagine a Father invites you to a party, and his son delivers you the invitation. When the son delivers it he finds you chained up with lock and key in a basement with duct tape over your mouth. It just so happens my son has the key 🔑. The son leaves the invitation with you in the basement. The Father asks the son on his return, “do you think he’ll come to the party?” The son replies, “I don’t think so he was chained up and had tape over his mouth” The father replies, “Did you unlock him from his chains?” The son, “no he never asked me to” the father, “did you take the tape off of his mouth so he could ask?” The son, “no I don’t really want him to come anyways”
The above is the Calvanist position on Christ and election.
For some seeing is believing, but for this panel of well educated bible scholars seeing will only add to their unbelief.
They are correct; healing and spiritual gifts has almost entirely gone away.
WHY?
Organized religion was added to the church. Persecution was removed along with the power because God resists those who rely on education alone.
Eventually persecution returned not by Romans, but by the organized religious order.
Believe in the supernatural and you will be called a lunatic then burned if you refuse to believe their educated belief system.
I am proud to be a LUNATIC!
I would rather believe and see no power than to not believe at all in the power of the WORD.
They said that the word of God has grown in strength. Remember the WORD was always here from the beginning of time and yet Jesus had to come to this world system to reveal the WORD with signs and wonders.
The Revelator would have us understand that judgment will come upon the end times church when in having set aside the prophetic voice, they then embrace falsehood personified. Is this not eschatology realized in your hearing? And in its fallenness should not the foundations of the church be restored by those who built it in the first place (Isa 58:12)? Certainly, it is spiritual arrogance for teachers of the law to mistreat that which is sent to them and then to assume the mantel in their absence (Matt 21:33-41).
Mike- “I’m not interested in speaking with anyone who isn’t willing to change their mind.”
Also Mike- “I would not be open to changing my mind on cessationism.”
You guys did a great job asking Mike and Phil good questions.
Well it makes perfect sense regarding the context, there are some things that are clearly error, like an erring version of prophecy, tongues, away from what the bible declares. Not being moveable in important doctrines isn't pride. It's upholding what the bible declares.
@@david8252 The Bible does not declare cessationism. You only get there from a poor reading of scripture and personal vendettas against unhealthy charismatic practices.
@@Culture-and ah so that’s the real purpose behind your comment 💀also no. Wrong. Cessationism has been the position of the church for hundreds of years. The “revival” in 1900s is a fact that they were restorationists. They believed the gifts were “starting up again.” Im an ex continuationist. I find the opposite. Continuationism is based on proof text theology. Basically you pull out verses from their context and build your theology. Cessationism is a pattern of scripture. It is consistent. I came to the cessationist position one Monday morning before even looking into cessationism when I picked up my Bible and read 1 Corinthians the whole way through. I made a list of the guidelines remembering that the word of God doesn’t contradict itself. And I realized my practice was false, and I was leading by my experience and not the sufficient word of God.
Ah I see the point of your comment now. Let's see if we can have a good conversation. To your comment about it being a response: Wrong. Cessationist position is not a response to charismatics, though sometimes correction is necessary. Historically cessationism has been the position of the church. Yes you have a few continuationist type who thought they were listening from God, but most were corrected and rebuked by other sound teachers. I mean you could point to the Montanists, but they disqualified themselves when they immediately began to prophesy falsely. Their prophecy type has the same pattern of a lot of the charismatic movement today. Continuationism has proof text theology - meaning they pull the text from it's context, and misuse it. I would say cessationism is built upon a careful building of scripture. It is consistent. It was for me when one day after a Sunday service, I sat down and read the whole of 1 Corinthians, and was overwhelmed by conviction, and displayed repentance for my false practice. no I didn't initially go to a commentary, or youtube, I didn't even know what cessationism was until I began to research. 1900's "revival" was not a continuation of gifts across history, but they themselves knew that they were restorationists, they thought they were fulfilling prophecy. When I found out my practice did not stem from pentecost but rather 1900's event which tied in a lot of charlatans, I could not deny the evidence. This is not questionable, but you could try to redefine events. 🤷♂
Hello. I hope you don't mind me bringing to your attention that while reading the Bible on my own, I've found that it never once says that Jesus is God. If you look for a plain scripture where Jesus says, "I am God," you will not find it. Nor will you find anyone saying "Jesus is God." The vast majority of churches in the world teach that Jesus is God, which according to my recent discoveries, is a doctrine based solely on interpretation. That's very dangerous, especially since God says he will not share his praise and glory with another (Psalm 42:8).
Remember, this is Satan's kingdom we're in right now, and I believe this is the enemies booby trap under the church waiting to go off at judgment. Look at 2 Peter 1:1-3... "just as there will be false teachers among you, who will subtly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them... many will follow their shameful ways, and because of them the way of truth will be spoken evil of... they will exploit you with false arguments and twisted doctrine."
"Denying the Master," how? As shown above, by taking the glory and praise due to God and placing it upon his Son, and exhalting him as God when he's a man like you and me, who has the same God and Father as you and me (John 4:22, John 20:17). To say again, detracting from the work of who and what Jesus is and did, which is his rightful glory, and putting God's glory as Father and creator on Jesus. This worship is causing the Son to eclipse the Father.
Jesus never said "I am God." We shouldn't put words in his mouth.
So they are willing to discuss this with people of other persuasion who are "teachable" and willing to listen, yet they unwilling to even consider the possibility they have misunderstood scripture?
And I love that the one reason given boils down to experience. They had bad experiences with charismatics, so it must be false. I pray we are all always open to be taught and reproved by scripture.
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Smack it out !
Can I adopt Mike As a son !?? Jk
Praise our LORD for these GOD fearing wise men!
❤John MacArthurs peeps,
PHIL is Pastor John’s side car !
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I remember few years back PJ came to the church I was attending in Redlands California ( lived in Big Bear)
Pastor Todd announced Phil was coming to preach in a few Sundays ?
I asked PT , Is PJ bringing JM ?
PT chuckled !
Perfect Body of Our LORD = GTY
Since then I moved back to my native state of PA I attend ( six month) a KJV BAPTIST church until I discovered the pastor didn’t believe in doctrine of election etc
Therefore ( long over due ) I called GTY & was directed to 2 masters university pastor Grads one in Ohio other in Pa
I now attend
Sovereign Grace Chapel Youngstown Ohio 🙏🏾
Praise our LORD
I FOUND SOUND DOCTRINE BODY OF CHRIST
COME LORD JESUS COME
“The Perfect” is NOT the cannon. It’s the second coming.
Maybe 🤓
“But when that which is complete and perfect comes, that which is incomplete and partial will pass away.”
1 Corinthians 13:10
Think about the context of the letter. Paul is writing to the Corinthians at a time when they do not have Bibles, but only creeds, sign gifts, and letters from the apostles. Now we have the Bible the perfect word of God which is complete.
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.”
Matthew 24:35
I'll take any examples of the gifts from church history
49:40 … The quality is not lower. There are many (and increasing) false prophets. Shun false prophets!
Phil and Mike don’t know Dr MacArthur’s own teaching!!!!
Tongue in the singular usually refers to pagan ecstatic speech, Tongues in the plural, refers to Zenolallia, authentic languages.
You say at the beginning to like and subscribe. Why would I like and subscribe before I hear what you have to say?
I did like and subscribe. I feel you did a great job making your points. I also feel like the defining of terms should help many realize that it is sometimes ONLY the way you define things that makes you different from the opposition.
I knew u would 😎
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At 48:20 … Did you just mock the kind of private tongue (prayer language), as Paul described in 1 Cor. 14:14. I admonish you pray about where your heart is regarding what appears to cynicism rather than cessationism.
There is no mention of a private prayer language in the Bible. When the Spirit intercedes, it is silent. If you look at the original language, that is the actual translation of that word. Also, it was silent. The Spirit is interceding bc we have no idea what to say, at all.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.
Trump is not who we all think he is it is best to pray hard
Hello gentlemen,
Regarding Alistair.
In 2001, Jesus Christ rescued me from lesbianism.
If I had been a new believer and listened to his message there is a good chance that I would take that to mean it is okay to be in that lifestyle.
The Lord took that from my heart, and by His grace, He led me to a strong church.
Sadly, many homosexuals believe you can be Christian and gay. This is the problem with what Alistair taught, he actually affirmed that lifestyle by the advice he gave.
Cessationism is simply theological gymnastics based on approaches made by professional theologians who spend more time reading than praying. I say that with all due respect, but thinking that having the Bible stop God from using people the same way He used to before can only be put in Scriptures from incredulous hearts.