Hey guys! Here is a link to the Process Lasso Website: bitsum.com/ And a link to my video explaining how to Exclude DCS From Windows Defender Anti-Virus: ua-cam.com/video/JshLOxeX3dM/v-deo.htmlsi=1klK8nhsp31FNKKQ
Not sure if you mentioned it, but this applies to virtually ALL CPUs to one degree or another. Even disabling access to the hyperthreaded/SMT cores can have a benefit on older CPUs. The P and E cores aspect applies to Intel CPUs from 12th Gen on. On AMD you'll want to adjust if your CPU has multiple CCDs (5950x, 5900x, 7950x, 7900x, 7950x3D, 7900x3D, threadripper, etc.). Lock DCS to the cores of one CCD so the slow infinity fabric is not used. For the X3D CPUs, you want to lock DCS to the CCD with massive cache.
not fully understanding why you are having problems with a high-end GPU and CPU???? two why would you make a video after you upgrade your computer????? so what about using a 3050 GPU and an i5 CPU ?? will this work ????... I bet you don't know... every person that has a high-end computer shit on us little guys by showing off what you going .. everybody doesn't have the money to buy a computer like yours .. so when you talking about a new program you should keep in mind us broke computer players
@@stopthemadness398 Looks like you're having a hard time and venting your frustrations on people who don't deserve it, so I am here to help you. I don't know much about @Spudknocker but I would wager he has spent a lot of time and work getting to where he is financially to afford a leisure hobby that may not be attainable to all. There are a lot of people in your situation if not most, and that includes people that Spudknocker also interacts with who he is trying to help out with the information he posted which coincides with your situation. Please read the post above you by @Specter0420 that may address your questions and feel free to browse through the rest of the posts to see what other people have to say. Hopefully we can get you to enjoy DCS without you having to do anything drastic.
this really worked. thank you, because these stutters were driving me crazy. this also explains why these stutters come mainly in multi threading mode.
I really appreciate these performance videos lately Spuds, as I too have recently built a brand new PC which is a tremendous upgrade from last and that includes even the monitor as I came from a 1080p tv to a 1440p monitor and GTX970/R5 1400 to a Rx 7900XT/R7 7800x3d. I am still getting used to windows 11 and the video specifically talking about the Windows Security and how to boost performance helped tremendously! Now, just need to make the jump to VR next year, which may include another processor upgrade, possibly even another GPU upgrade lol. But, playing DCS with buttery smooth performance and actually being able to make large complex missions without my PC crashing is just an awesome experience..
I have always had trouble maintaining control when attempting to hover with AH-64D. The combination of disabling real-time virus scanning and using process lasso to force DCS on the P-cores has resulted in much easier fine control for me. It was also necessary to set DCS priority to high as you suggested. There are all kinds of videos out with good advice on how hover better, but your suggestions make it so much easier for me. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Thanks, I've been having the same issues.. But I'm new to DCS and just a basic computer operator so I felt hosed.. But You just gave me a large helping hand with an EASY to follow and understand walk through... Thank ya again.. 👍👍😸
Thank @spudknocker for the tuning effort and analysis! I have analogous hardware and can also verify this makes a difference where MT stutters. My CPU priorities also include ovrserver (quest3 openxr runtime) & audiodg (seems to alleviate audio stutters that break immersion). I had also dedicated a CPU core to the audiodg runtime.
OoO I have to see if he still has it posted somewhere.. Would like to try it! I have gotten pretty good at setting it up but there are still some settings I am a little iffy on.
I agree with you. I have a computer with an i9, RTX 3080Ti, 64 GB RAM, and a 1TB SSD. DCS only runs once after installation on my computer. It performs lightning-fast on the highest settings during that first launch. However, subsequent launches are a nightmare. First, the loading takes 15 minutes, and then crashes start happening, even when running the multithreaded version. This is grounds for requesting a refund for the software since it doesn't meet the standards promised by the developer.
The 4090 is such a performance king for DCS, and everything else. Upgraded from a 3 year old 3070 last year, having just missed out on a 3080 at launch - and just went eff it, I'm getting one. ALL of my regular DCS friends have one, in fact I'm the last on the train - succumbed to their constant raving. 😅
@@JSmith73 I'm poor so had to save money for years to buy my 3070. For an older card it sure as hell is capable! I'd love a 4090 just to have it, but if I could afford one I'd probably buy a car instead :)
I have been using this for 4 months. Before, I could not fix the framerate problems and LIVED IN 100+ HOURS of 20-30 FPS in DCS VR with Oculus Rift S! Then I found Process Lasso... 80 FPS all day. It's a must need. i9-10900k 32GB 2080ti
AMD users like me can only click on "Disable SMT" instead, it's the same thing, deactivate all your emulated cores, i learned this on a performance guide tutorial to Tarkov. But if the games now has compatibility with multi-threading (MT), idk if this is a good idea, i wonder.
You're mistaken. Lock DCS to physical cores (non-SMT) if your CPU has more than 8 threads and you'll see a boost. If your AMD CPU has more than one CCD, lock DCS to the physical cores on one CCD so the slow infinity fabric isn't used. If you have a 7950x3D or 7900x3D you REALLY want to lock DCS to the first CCD, the one with massive cache.
@@Specter0420 OK, good info. My performance with the 2.9 patch has been consistently butter smooth, but I'm on a Ryzen7 5800X. Regardless, the procedure as presented in this video can't be followed if you have an AMD CPU, you will see different options even if it accomplishes the same thing.
First, this app is similar to the app we used to use for FSX which would lock apps and games to using only specific number of cores which was awesome because back then and honestly even today most CPU's and Games utilize only about 4-6 cores at most but also the first 4 cores in AMD processors generally provide the most performance so it is nice to be able to lock a game to only certain cores. As for the comment about disabling your other CCD(s) because of Inifity Fabric, only certain games take a hit in performance because of it others can have a boost it really all depends on the game and it's optimization. I dunno about DCS but in general the performance hit is usually VERY little and performance reward for disabling it does not normally make it worth it if you are already doing extra background applications like streaming or video editing etc. But that's up to preference.
Eh, I have a thread ripper 16 cores. I tie everything I can on the 0-11 cores and save the last 4 cores for DCS. DCS only uses 2 cores, so I tied it to my last 2 cores 14-15, I run VR so SteamVR/SRS or any other programs related to DCS to 12-13. Haven't had any issues in the last few months while running it this way to include other programs I use (adobe/steam games/video editing).
Just installed Process Lasso today to give it a try. Felt like an immediate improvement overall. I played about three hours. More “trials” this weekend, but so far, so good.
I bought Lasso. And boy what a difference!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉. I have an 4060ti i7 - it has never run this good. DCS, MSFS, Cyberpunk, they are consistent at 90+ frames. No questions asked. Worth the $18 investment (using the sites coupon) normally $25 or something like that. Thanks Spud. 😊
If you have an AMD cpu you don't need this since every core is equivalent to a PCore, and you can set the DCS process to a higher priority directly in the Windows task manager.
Thanks for another excellent video on optimization for DCS. My newly built DCS PC is quite similar to yours's 4090 GPU, but I 'm using AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU. Any thoughts on if this would work on the Ryzen CPU infrastructure?
Ryzen doesn't use E-cores, there's no need for this. If you had a 7900x3d or the 7950, there might be a reason to limit it to the CCD with the actual 3d cache, but the 7800x3d only has 1 CCD so its a non-issue.
process lasso will always run in the background, once you've done what the tutorial says you can completely forget about it, but kep in mind that it will give oyu a very annoying popup everytime you start your computer
Thanks again for another great video. Just wondering if I am doing something wrong, when I follow your instructions to the CPU Affinity Tab there is no PCORS BUTTON or ECORES button to push. I am running a I7 !0700K CPU and wondering if its architecture does not lend itself to the provisions of Process Lasso. Thanks
In summary: Intel created a problem (ecores), which you have had to solve. Just like Microsoft created a problem (Windows Defender), which you have had to solve. It's notable how much time and effort you have had to spend, just to get normal performance back into your PC.
Do you have to run ProcessLasso in the background while playing DCS or can you just open ProcessLasso, change the settings, close it and never open it again?
There is a similar issue with MSFS 2020. As an AMD user I don't have E-Cores, but MSFS will sometimes use HT-Cores for performance relevant tasks and can be really slow, especially the loading times. Process Lasso will help here too. Since I limit MSFS to use only the physical cores of my 7800X3D, the loading times are much faster and more consistent.
This worked for me, for the most part. i7 14700k, 4070ti and 64GB of RAM. Sometimes, though, if I load DCS with PL in the background I get terrible stuttering and it doesnt go away until I close out PL. Not sure why. When it works, I get +20 FPS. I wish I could figure out the issue..
@Spudknocker it worked. In fact, I maxed out all the in-game options, which I always felt I should be able to run. There are no issues around the board. Huge thank you, I feel like I'm on an entire new sim.
Error that Eagle Dynamics did, was to form a common multi-threaded program as the DCS World would be like a 3D rendering or video editing software, where each scene or time can be split to own timeframes and distribute all those to your different CPU cores for processing simultaneously to form the final data. What ED should have done, is to split the DCS World to multiple different libraries and run each library separately on own dedicated CPU core, independent from others. Example: One major category switch is the BLUE and RED sides. So example RED is given odd CPU cores and BLUE is given even CPU cores. 1 Odd RED 2 Even BLUE 3 Odd RED 4 Even BLUE 5 Odd RED 6 EvenBLUE Then each side gets own dedicated CPU core by the type. 1 = Player aircraft flight modeling 2 = Player aircraft sensors (radar, EOS etc) 3 = Every released missile, dropped bomb and fired rocket. 4 = Ground units AI 5 = Air units AI 6 = Every bullet trajectory fired 7 = Rest You allocate each type to own groups based the available CPU threading or cores. So if you have 6 core + 2 threads per core processor, you have 12 processing units. That gives 6 for blue and 6 for red. You can combine types to groups, example: 1 2 4+7+3 5+6 And now you have four processing groups, where each is put on own CPU thread processing. Nothing is syncronized between the groups to stop influencing other process. So if your sensor is heavy on calculation, it doesn't affect at all to your flight modeling. Or if you release a cluster bomb on lot of units, it doesn't affect your flight modeling or your sensors or any ground unit movement and reaction. If you play on computer that has less CPU cores, today that is minimum 4 cores and 8 threads. Then you just combine more together that are not stressing each other too much. But always prioritize player flight and sensor experience over anything else. It is OK if the ground unit warps slightly, but it is not fine that you flying and looking around will drop frames and warp around because the ground unit was warping. And then every AI is separated from single AI. There needs to be AI system that can run thousands of AI units separately, and run all through communication and delays in it. As in reality, if HQ gives command for capturing a hill 10 km away, it is multiple hour operation. There is no requirement whatsoever for realtime processing, no requirement to know exactly every unit location, status, state etc. All that should be simulated first by numbers, like soldier is waken, cleans the equipment, eats, prepares to move, form a group, mount vehicle or start patrol. And then expected to arrive on given area example 2 hours +/- 10 minutes. There is lot of factors that can be delayed in processing when required, as nothing needs to be realtime. So if ground unit gets stuck, it doesn't affect player sensors or flight modeling.
Ok. Tried your recommended settings, I thought it was working well. When I went back to 2D the frame rate was appalling. I have a 14900k and a 4090 and 64 GB of fast RAM. Something wasn’t right, clearly. Eventually I switched off the profile I’d created in PL. I then used the default settings, either High or Ultimate Performance. Kaboom! Back to what I should have been seeing. Silky smooth maxed out settings at 200 FPS. Ok, now back to VR. Yup. The best performance I’ve seen since I embarked on an extensive tweaking and testing extravaganza. My VR performance was bottlenecking at the CPU , it still is, but using PL has resolved the random spikes and odd stutter I was seeing. My advice? Try the settings that come with the program first you may find it’s all you need. 👍🏻. The easiest way to manage DCS with process lasso is to pay for the program and then use the one click power profile setting for your exe files. The best setting I’ve found for DCS is Bitsum ultimate performance. But the whole program is great for running your PC more efficiently.
Hello, Where Can I find these default settings you mention? I mean "High" or "Ultimate Performance"? I installed PL and it did help me though I wish to try the options you mentioned. Thanks
I didn't notice a difference, but I run all AMD which has a different architecture than Intel and I think some Intel chips may differ. Doesn't matter what version of DCS/Program you use. Remember, you're tweaking the programs you want effected by this by running them in the background, so it shows up on Task manager or the program mentioned above "Lasso"
Does Process Lasso stay running in the BG (and start at boot) or do I need to start it and select the profile for DCS every time I load up DCS? Have you tried this with DCS in VR?
So, I set it up last night and can report that it does run in the BG, and is set by default to launch when windows starts. I played for a few hours and it did seem to improve performance in VR, far less stuttering, far more consistent. Anecdotal for sure, but it seems to help. Before I would get stutters like mad when on the ground, or when looking at complex geometry for the first time, and that seems to have been mitigated. My specs for those with a similar rig and problems: i9 13900k 4090 64gb RAM Varjo Aero - running at "High" 35PPD Before trying Lasso, running 35PPD would get stutters, 37 or 39 was a complete mess, even with DCS quality settings set to "VR quality". I'll be trying 39PPD and upping the DCS settings to see what's what.
Not an ED thing is an Intel chipset plus windows I don't know what to prioritise thing. Not much ED can do until Microsoft and Intel come up with a better CPU core scheduling system. As it screws up choosing what e-core and P-core to use on most software not just DCS. Most don't know about it though
Spud, great video. I used to run Lasso some time ago. After watch this video, I choose to reinstall it and running it with DCS and MSFS. Question, After installing Lasso and confining it for DCS, Task manager still shows CPU Cores as being parked. Are the Afinity setting equal to parking CPU Cores?
I have the 14900k as well but have no problems but check your Bios for somthing called Gamers Legacey mode (or somthing like that) as on my Asus motherboard this will turn off the E-cores just by pressing "Scroll Lock" on the keyboard with no need for 3rd party software
I've heard it's a good idea also to exclude 0 core what is most often used by Windows and system - I'm not sure if I'm right about that but could be worth trying. Thanks for the video.
I have the 14900k as well, didn't think I'm having any issues after the most recent bios update, however everyone told me I should do this anyways and I found your video. When I press "P Cores" it auto sets it to the first 15 cores not 7. I didn't manually change anything, have any recommendations?
I had a PC built around the RTX 4090. I, too, was frustrated by the stutters in OpenBeta MT. I stumbled on a process on some forum whereby at DCS startup screen, I go to the task manager, right click on DCS, then right-click Go To Details and then to Set Affinity and uncheck No. 8. It clears up all stutters. Is this an automated way to do this, and is it run at PC startup?
You explained how to download Process Lasso and how to set up a DCS-profile. Then what ? Do I need to start PL before starting DCS ? Do I manually select the profile ? Can this be done automatically ?
This is more important than setting it to all P cores. You can leave it to use both if you do this as a lot of spikes are the P cores waking up from a low state to be used and doing this fixes that and the spikes in DCS.
The DCS developers are just getting around to multithreading, like 20 years late. Just in time for hybrid CPUs to be the norm. I guess they'll get around to coding for these in the mid 2040s. The same goes for AMD, especially those with two CCDs with different cache sizes and core speeds, like my 7950x3D. I locked DCS to the physical cores on the cached CCD and realized a massive increase in smoothness.
Sure, BMS is a better sim, and takes advantage of all the hardware improvements of the last decade, latest GPUs, CPUs, etc. Yet DCS is the main culprit of not using all the cores...
Ehh dcs is fairly arcade compared to bms if you fly f16, but for other planes dcs wins. Bms dynamic campaign is waaay better than anything in dcs. But i still play more dcs because i like Carrier stuff :D
Unfortunately this did not work for me. It made DCS unplayable. Frames were 1-15 on the main DCS page where normally the FPS is 120 on my system. The mouse was lagy and the mission would not load. I have a Core i5 12600K 3.7 GHz, 64ghz of DDR4 Ram, RTX 3070 gpu, and DCS is on a dedicated 2tb SSD. My stutters weren't really to bad and I thought this might help but sadly it did not. I did follow your instructions to the letter. Thanks for putting info like this out there.
I run DCS on a low end PC and get playable framerates. On some complex missions however (such as the ones that come with the Raven One campaign) bug out with certain activations and triggers on my pc whilst working perfectly fine on higher end systems. The Devs reckon it could be something due to the scheduler having a panic attack if it means keeping DCS at playable framerates. I wonder if process lasso could mitigate this.
I have 2 questions : 1 - What about if there no button "P-Cores" to click on (I have a RTX 2070 SUPER) 2 - Does all of this work with VR ? Many thanks in advance
I've just finished a new build a few days ago - 14900 with 4090 (had the 4090 in my i9 11th gen pc and switiched it over to my new build). I'm also getting very poor performance in VR in DCS. Well, I say that, but getting 90fps but it is as you say inconsistent in actual percieved performance. Tried this and it hasn't worked for me. Going back to my 11th gen. Was getting great performance and very consistent. I'll have a look around in 6 months time when someone has figured out what the hell is going on.
@@RoJayEmm to be frank, if you didn't know about XMP there are many other things you've probably missed that could explain the bad performance. It's probably user error. On the software side you should update to the latest mobo BIOS and use the mobo driver utility to get all the latest drivers in windows, you need windows 11 for that CPU to be used correctly, you need resizable bar enabled in BIOS, and you probably need to learn how to overclock and undervolt to tune your system properly. On the hardware side you could have bought slow budget crap RAM (I think 6Ghz is the minimum sweet spot for 14th gen Intel at the moment, but don't quote me). Maybe you have an undersized CPU cooler, bad case cooling, bad cooler mount pressure, bad cooler thermal paste job, bad fan direction\placement, etc. Your best start would be running the quick free benchmark at the userbenchmark website. Allow it to upload the results and it'll give each of your components a "percentile" ranking compared to others with the same PC parts. This will quickly show you if your CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, etc is underperforming. It gives a few scores so make sure you're reading the "percentile score" with "of 100 PCs with the same components, yours is performing...". Note: It is a quick benchmark and isn't good at finding thermal issues. You'll need overclocking tools like p95, intelburntest and temp monitoring tools like coretemp to check that. All software mentioned is free.
SPUD MY PROJECT LASO WHICH IS UPDATED CURRENT VERSION DOESNT HAVE THE OPTION FOR PEAK CORES ONLY HAS STAGER OR INVERT OPTION. ANY IDEAS HOW TO FIGURE OUT YOUR PERFORMANCE CORES?????
When I run Process Lasso lately all I see are affinity errors in the action log, even when I have no affinity rules running. What could be causing that?
Can’t you do all this within windows. I can set priorities and set affinities as well. Does this program do something better than the default windows process?
@spudknocker I am always wondering whats causing your performance issues. One question. Description says 14900K combined with DDR4 3600mhz RAM? Raptor lake is primarily designed to run on DDR5. What board are you on? Since DCS 2.9 i see most often intel users having trouble. DCS Multithreading seems to run pretty fine on AMD, but having almost no effect on intel platforms or causing even trouble. Even though, DCS should run ultra smooth even without MT on your setup.
Hi Spudknocker, many thanks for your hints. On my side and after sticking to your recommandations.. Still suffer from stutters, weirdly especially flying low over the sea and flying by boats. I apply strictly what you said and it is better but the issue is not completely addressed. Would you mind to disclose your in game settings.. I'd be so grateful, knowing I run a High end PC (I9 13900K, RTX4090, 64GB RAM).
If any one can help me out sorry if all ready asked I installed free lasso but I always get an pop up at the start to update the version . I select not to well this still run the game even if I don't update
I think the MT / DLSS + 4090 = "BUT, WHAT DO I DO WITH MY HANdS" I get better FPS with Priority set and Dlss off . same config with 13900k Without MT Fps + with dlss on. VR vs NON VR with 4k resolution
@@jamisondanecker8186 I'll try that. I hope ED keep working on making DCS more VR friendly. You need to be a computer genius to make it work. Process Lasso has made DCS playable for me but it doesn't run as smooth as it should. Thanks for the comment mate
Hey guys! Here is a link to the Process Lasso Website: bitsum.com/
And a link to my video explaining how to Exclude DCS From Windows Defender Anti-Virus: ua-cam.com/video/JshLOxeX3dM/v-deo.htmlsi=1klK8nhsp31FNKKQ
Not sure if you mentioned it, but this applies to virtually ALL CPUs to one degree or another. Even disabling access to the hyperthreaded/SMT cores can have a benefit on older CPUs. The P and E cores aspect applies to Intel CPUs from 12th Gen on.
On AMD you'll want to adjust if your CPU has multiple CCDs (5950x, 5900x, 7950x, 7900x, 7950x3D, 7900x3D, threadripper, etc.). Lock DCS to the cores of one CCD so the slow infinity fabric is not used. For the X3D CPUs, you want to lock DCS to the CCD with massive cache.
not fully understanding why you are having problems with a high-end GPU and CPU???? two why would you make a video after you upgrade your computer????? so what about using a 3050 GPU and an i5 CPU ?? will this work ????... I bet you don't know... every person that has a high-end computer shit on us little guys by showing off what you going .. everybody doesn't have the money to buy a computer like yours .. so when you talking about a new program you should keep in mind us broke computer players
@@stopthemadness398 Looks like you're having a hard time and venting your frustrations on people who don't deserve it, so I am here to help you. I don't know much about @Spudknocker but I would wager he has spent a lot of time and work getting to where he is financially to afford a leisure hobby that may not be attainable to all. There are a lot of people in your situation if not most, and that includes people that Spudknocker also interacts with who he is trying to help out with the information he posted which coincides with your situation. Please read the post above you by @Specter0420 that may address your questions and feel free to browse through the rest of the posts to see what other people have to say. Hopefully we can get you to enjoy DCS without you having to do anything drastic.
My CPU page doesn’t have P Cores, just stagger and the ones to the right.
@@jeffscott8718 same. I have a 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12400F.
this really worked. thank you, because these stutters were driving me crazy. this also explains why these stutters come mainly in multi threading mode.
The "Take my breath away" mp3 on your desktop is the most DCS player thing ever lol
He does love the TOMCAT after all
LOL its from making this video haha ua-cam.com/video/7a5kpr6-3OY/v-deo.htmlsi=Feft4_6YE5kEWxgn
Nah, we know you alt tab and start playing it whenever the tomcat starts up... speaking from experience
@@ovaldreamx4397he's got a script making it a keybind.
I really appreciate these performance videos lately Spuds, as I too have recently built a brand new PC which is a tremendous upgrade from last and that includes even the monitor as I came from a 1080p tv to a 1440p monitor and GTX970/R5 1400 to a Rx 7900XT/R7 7800x3d. I am still getting used to windows 11 and the video specifically talking about the Windows Security and how to boost performance helped tremendously! Now, just need to make the jump to VR next year, which may include another processor upgrade, possibly even another GPU upgrade lol. But, playing DCS with buttery smooth performance and actually being able to make large complex missions without my PC crashing is just an awesome experience..
Fantastic man! I am so glad it’s helped you out!
Me watching the video, when I don’t have a PC or DCS.
Wtf are u doing here LMAO
I know the feeling...been there done that.😂
@@gabriel-bl4ckh4wk-6 I find myself doing a-lot of things that dont make sense when I’m trying to do something else.
Yup
Lmaoo
I have always had trouble maintaining control when attempting to hover with AH-64D. The combination of disabling real-time virus scanning and using process lasso to force DCS on the P-cores has resulted in much easier fine control for me. It was also necessary to set DCS priority to high as you suggested. There are all kinds of videos out with good advice on how hover better, but your suggestions make it so much easier for me. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Thanks, I've been having the same issues.. But I'm new to DCS and just a basic computer operator so I felt hosed.. But You just gave me a large helping hand with an EASY to follow and understand walk through... Thank ya again.. 👍👍😸
Thank @spudknocker for the tuning effort and analysis! I have analogous hardware and can also verify this makes a difference where MT stutters. My CPU priorities also include ovrserver (quest3 openxr runtime) & audiodg (seems to alleviate audio stutters that break immersion). I had also dedicated a CPU core to the audiodg runtime.
Love your videos, Spudknocker. I still use your TrackIR profile!
OoO I have to see if he still has it posted somewhere.. Would like to try it! I have gotten pretty good at setting it up but there are still some settings I am a little iffy on.
Man I love DCS but the sheer amount of people with a $2000 GPU that struggle to run it is honestly fucking unacceptable from Eagle Dynamics.
I got a 4080 and run it at 4k @ 100fps no problem
@@NotYourAvgJoe24 yeah flatscreen is easy to run these days. VR is still rough
@@NotYourAvgJoe24 DCS in VR is honestly broken atm. Even with a high end PC.
@@GrodstarkI wouldn't say it's broken at all. I haven't had any issues with VR
I agree with you. I have a computer with an i9, RTX 3080Ti, 64 GB RAM, and a 1TB SSD. DCS only runs once after installation on my computer. It performs lightning-fast on the highest settings during that first launch. However, subsequent launches are a nightmare. First, the loading takes 15 minutes, and then crashes start happening, even when running the multithreaded version. This is grounds for requesting a refund for the software since it doesn't meet the standards promised by the developer.
Wow thanks so much. 13900k, 4090 here as well. This has completely changed the game for me. Literally 0 stutters now.
I swear DCS has more mood swings than I do 😑
Thanks Spudknocker for the guide. Will give it a try!
😮 The fact that everyone has a 4090 amazes me
Hehehehe yeah, I still think my 3070 is 'new' and all the 'real gamer' sorts are griping that the 4090 is too old and slow :)
Me with a GTX 1050
@@devilsoffspring5519 Same!9
The 4090 is such a performance king for DCS, and everything else. Upgraded from a 3 year old 3070 last year, having just missed out on a 3080 at launch - and just went eff it, I'm getting one.
ALL of my regular DCS friends have one, in fact I'm the last on the train - succumbed to their constant raving. 😅
@@JSmith73 I'm poor so had to save money for years to buy my 3070. For an older card it sure as hell is capable!
I'd love a 4090 just to have it, but if I could afford one I'd probably buy a car instead :)
I just want to give you a huge thank you. I bought an Alienware a few months ago, and the game was unplayable. This fixed it. Cheers!
I have been using this for 4 months. Before, I could not fix the framerate problems and LIVED IN 100+ HOURS of 20-30 FPS in DCS VR with Oculus Rift S! Then I found Process Lasso... 80 FPS all day. It's a must need.
i9-10900k
32GB
2080ti
And you couldn’t share?
Thanks Spud !!! Another award winning upload from you !!
Unless I'm mistaken, AMD users can ignore this. There is no e-core/p-core on AMD processors so all cores are the same performance AFAIK.
AMD users like me can only click on "Disable SMT" instead, it's the same thing, deactivate all your emulated cores, i learned this on a performance guide tutorial to Tarkov. But if the games now has compatibility with multi-threading (MT), idk if this is a good idea, i wonder.
You're mistaken. Lock DCS to physical cores (non-SMT) if your CPU has more than 8 threads and you'll see a boost. If your AMD CPU has more than one CCD, lock DCS to the physical cores on one CCD so the slow infinity fabric isn't used. If you have a 7950x3D or 7900x3D you REALLY want to lock DCS to the first CCD, the one with massive cache.
@@Specter0420 OK, good info. My performance with the 2.9 patch has been consistently butter smooth, but I'm on a Ryzen7 5800X. Regardless, the procedure as presented in this video can't be followed if you have an AMD CPU, you will see different options even if it accomplishes the same thing.
First, this app is similar to the app we used to use for FSX which would lock apps and games to using only specific number of cores which was awesome because back then and honestly even today most CPU's and Games utilize only about 4-6 cores at most but also the first 4 cores in AMD processors generally provide the most performance so it is nice to be able to lock a game to only certain cores. As for the comment about disabling your other CCD(s) because of Inifity Fabric, only certain games take a hit in performance because of it others can have a boost it really all depends on the game and it's optimization. I dunno about DCS but in general the performance hit is usually VERY little and performance reward for disabling it does not normally make it worth it if you are already doing extra background applications like streaming or video editing etc. But that's up to preference.
Eh, I have a thread ripper 16 cores. I tie everything I can on the 0-11 cores and save the last 4 cores for DCS. DCS only uses 2 cores, so I tied it to my last 2 cores 14-15, I run VR so SteamVR/SRS or any other programs related to DCS to 12-13. Haven't had any issues in the last few months while running it this way to include other programs I use (adobe/steam games/video editing).
Just installed Process Lasso today to give it a try. Felt like an immediate improvement overall. I played about three hours. More “trials” this weekend, but so far, so good.
Thank you for looking out for the DCS community Spud, always a helpful video.
I bought Lasso. And boy what a difference!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉. I have an 4060ti i7 - it has never run this good. DCS, MSFS, Cyberpunk, they are consistent at 90+ frames. No questions asked. Worth the $18 investment (using the sites coupon) normally $25 or something like that. Thanks Spud. 😊
actually works holy crap! :) always struggled with stutters in the CH-47, ELIMINATED with this program! awesome :)
Holy crap! This made my VR so smooth!
So glad to hear it!
If you have an AMD cpu you don't need this since every core is equivalent to a PCore, and you can set the DCS process to a higher priority directly in the Windows task manager.
On every start yeah, this keeps it.
Thanks for another excellent video on optimization for DCS. My newly built DCS PC is quite similar to yours's 4090 GPU, but I 'm using AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D CPU. Any thoughts on if this would work on the Ryzen CPU infrastructure?
Ryzen doesn't use E-cores, there's no need for this. If you had a 7900x3d or the 7950, there might be a reason to limit it to the CCD with the actual 3d cache, but the 7800x3d only has 1 CCD so its a non-issue.
Great Video! You can also set the processor affinity with windows cmd. If you need more Process Lasso is a good tool. All the best!
DCS was a stuttering mess on a brand new high end machine. Process Lasso solved it. All the thanks in the world Spudknocker and Process Lasso!!!
Thanks Soud, this looks like a great solution. Just awesome.
Do you open this before launching DCS and run in background or is a set and forget?
process lasso will always run in the background, once you've done what the tutorial says you can completely forget about it, but kep in mind that it will give oyu a very annoying popup everytime you start your computer
VR is playable again, THANK YOU
Thanks again for another great video. Just wondering if I am doing something wrong, when I follow your instructions to the CPU Affinity Tab there is no PCORS BUTTON or ECORES button to push. I am running a I7 !0700K CPU and wondering if its architecture does not lend itself to the provisions of Process Lasso. Thanks
Thanks Spud for your research. I will be implementing this for my 5800-3D.
How did it do?
One time test. Great! My problems seem solved. I will check better. Tank you very much.😀
In summary:
Intel created a problem (ecores), which you have had to solve.
Just like Microsoft created a problem (Windows Defender), which you have had to solve.
It's notable how much time and effort you have had to spend, just to get normal performance back into your PC.
The Pcores option has been removed since you uploaded this. What do you do??
This definitely helped. Thank you!
Another awesome video from the fps boost guy himself!
Do you have to run ProcessLasso in the background while playing DCS or can you just open ProcessLasso, change the settings, close it and never open it again?
im wondering the same. Did you find out the answer?
There is a similar issue with MSFS 2020. As an AMD user I don't have E-Cores, but MSFS will sometimes use HT-Cores for performance relevant tasks and can be really slow, especially the loading times. Process Lasso will help here too. Since I limit MSFS to use only the physical cores of my 7800X3D, the loading times are much faster and more consistent.
Good info to pass on to those in similar circumstances.
Thanks Spud it worked for me.😄
Thank you. Brilliant. Really appreciated tip. Works Brilliantly
This worked for me, for the most part. i7 14700k, 4070ti and 64GB of RAM. Sometimes, though, if I load DCS with PL in the background I get terrible stuttering and it doesnt go away until I close out PL. Not sure why. When it works, I get +20 FPS. I wish I could figure out the issue..
Excellent insight, much appreciated.
Thank you. My PC is a beast yet stutters constantly. Just set this up and fingers crossed I can run without stutter
Let me know what your results are!
@Spudknocker it worked. In fact, I maxed out all the in-game options, which I always felt I should be able to run. There are no issues around the board. Huge thank you, I feel like I'm on an entire new sim.
hey @spudknocker ..weird question..but, what is the name of the song at intro?
Error that Eagle Dynamics did, was to form a common multi-threaded program as the DCS World would be like a 3D rendering or video editing software, where each scene or time can be split to own timeframes and distribute all those to your different CPU cores for processing simultaneously to form the final data.
What ED should have done, is to split the DCS World to multiple different libraries and run each library separately on own dedicated CPU core, independent from others.
Example: One major category switch is the BLUE and RED sides. So example RED is given odd CPU cores and BLUE is given even CPU cores.
1 Odd RED
2 Even BLUE
3 Odd RED
4 Even BLUE
5 Odd RED
6 EvenBLUE
Then each side gets own dedicated CPU core by the type.
1 = Player aircraft flight modeling
2 = Player aircraft sensors (radar, EOS etc)
3 = Every released missile, dropped bomb and fired rocket.
4 = Ground units AI
5 = Air units AI
6 = Every bullet trajectory fired
7 = Rest
You allocate each type to own groups based the available CPU threading or cores. So if you have 6 core + 2 threads per core processor, you have 12 processing units. That gives 6 for blue and 6 for red.
You can combine types to groups, example:
1
2
4+7+3
5+6
And now you have four processing groups, where each is put on own CPU thread processing.
Nothing is syncronized between the groups to stop influencing other process. So if your sensor is heavy on calculation, it doesn't affect at all to your flight modeling. Or if you release a cluster bomb on lot of units, it doesn't affect your flight modeling or your sensors or any ground unit movement and reaction.
If you play on computer that has less CPU cores, today that is minimum 4 cores and 8 threads. Then you just combine more together that are not stressing each other too much. But always prioritize player flight and sensor experience over anything else.
It is OK if the ground unit warps slightly, but it is not fine that you flying and looking around will drop frames and warp around because the ground unit was warping.
And then every AI is separated from single AI. There needs to be AI system that can run thousands of AI units separately, and run all through communication and delays in it. As in reality, if HQ gives command for capturing a hill 10 km away, it is multiple hour operation. There is no requirement whatsoever for realtime processing, no requirement to know exactly every unit location, status, state etc. All that should be simulated first by numbers, like soldier is waken, cleans the equipment, eats, prepares to move, form a group, mount vehicle or start patrol. And then expected to arrive on given area example 2 hours +/- 10 minutes. There is lot of factors that can be delayed in processing when required, as nothing needs to be realtime. So if ground unit gets stuck, it doesn't affect player sensors or flight modeling.
Yup you can do this via the MT shortcut too. I have limited DCS to 4 Cores not all 12 and its a big big difference.
does process lasso needs to be open all thetime for it do wok?
Ok. Tried your recommended settings, I thought it was working well. When I went back to 2D the frame rate was appalling. I have a 14900k and a 4090 and 64 GB of fast RAM. Something wasn’t right, clearly. Eventually I switched off the profile I’d created in PL. I then used the default settings, either High or Ultimate Performance. Kaboom! Back to what I should have been seeing. Silky smooth maxed out settings at 200 FPS. Ok, now back to VR. Yup. The best performance I’ve seen since I embarked on an extensive tweaking and testing extravaganza. My VR performance was bottlenecking at the CPU , it still is, but using PL has resolved the random spikes and odd stutter I was seeing. My advice? Try the settings that come with the program first you may find it’s all you need. 👍🏻.
The easiest way to manage DCS with process lasso is to pay for the program and then use the one click power profile setting for your exe files. The best setting I’ve found for DCS is Bitsum ultimate performance. But the whole program is great for running your PC more efficiently.
Hello, Where Can I find these default settings you mention? I mean "High" or "Ultimate Performance"? I installed PL and it did help me though I wish to try the options you mentioned. Thanks
Leave your feedback people ! Did you got more performance? You solved any problem? Did u run the dcs.exe from the vanilla folder or the MT folder?
I didn't notice a difference, but I run all AMD which has a different architecture than Intel and I think some Intel chips may differ. Doesn't matter what version of DCS/Program you use. Remember, you're tweaking the programs you want effected by this by running them in the background, so it shows up on Task manager or the program mentioned above "Lasso"
I’m glad when I finally upgraded I switched from intel to a 9800x3d and avoided this whole p / e core mess…
Looks, I got a new project when I get home today. Hopefully this helps with the lag I get on the South Atlantic map.
Hopefully it helps!
South Atlantic seems to be more of a GPU hog than CPU. It always 99s my GPU at low altitude while CPU usage is the same as other maps.
It's the biggest map in the game it's huge compared to the others, but still needs more optimisation but they are working on it continuously
Do we have to have launch Process Lasso everytime we run DCS to make this work?
Ryzen 7 7800x 3d & MSI Slim 4090 undervolt 0.9 DCS all settings on high no stutters over 100fps consistently and over 60fps in VR 🎉
silly question, but does process lasso need to be open in the background while playing DCS or can it be closed once its been set up
Does Process Lasso stay running in the BG (and start at boot) or do I need to start it and select the profile for DCS every time I load up DCS? Have you tried this with DCS in VR?
Following...
It will run in BG all the time. Once you get the settings for DCS put in, as soon as DCS loads process lasso will run it at Max
So, I set it up last night and can report that it does run in the BG, and is set by default to launch when windows starts. I played for a few hours and it did seem to improve performance in VR, far less stuttering, far more consistent. Anecdotal for sure, but it seems to help. Before I would get stutters like mad when on the ground, or when looking at complex geometry for the first time, and that seems to have been mitigated.
My specs for those with a similar rig and problems:
i9 13900k
4090
64gb RAM
Varjo Aero - running at "High" 35PPD
Before trying Lasso, running 35PPD would get stutters, 37 or 39 was a complete mess, even with DCS quality settings set to "VR quality". I'll be trying 39PPD and upping the DCS settings to see what's what.
I've used process lasso for quite a while with DCS, but the biggest change came when I unparked the cores. 12700k/3090/32 DDR5
What is the best program for that, IYO?
The makers of Process Lasso have an app for that too.@@knutstrom1
@@knutstrom1 No program, a registry edit......ua-cam.com/video/sFz8HRk4WfI/v-deo.html
@@andyrudeseal6347just use CPU-z you will see the ones taking the heat. process hacker is another some anti flag on it.
That moment when you need an external software to get your game to a consistantly good performance. ED really has to put more attention to this.
With 4090 and 5800x3d DCS run butter smooth in VR even in large mp mission in Syria so I can't complain
@@ziosam850 Thank you for sharing
DCS updater utility helps allot with this. plus loads any external apps you choose to run.. Starts taking up space due to different personal builds/
@@ziosam850 open xr? steam. MTbin? lots of different ways to go. just curious
Not an ED thing is an Intel chipset plus windows I don't know what to prioritise thing. Not much ED can do until Microsoft and Intel come up with a better CPU core scheduling system. As it screws up choosing what e-core and P-core to use on most software not just DCS.
Most don't know about it though
Spud, great video. I used to run Lasso some time ago. After watch this video, I choose to reinstall it and running it with DCS and MSFS. Question, After installing Lasso and confining it for DCS, Task manager still shows CPU Cores as being parked. Are the Afinity setting equal to parking CPU Cores?
@Spudknocker Could you also include a extra bit on how to add in the TrackIR or even a VR setting for this, or is that not needed?
hey spud, i dont have the P-core option, so i just selected the first colum (cpu 0 - cpu 7), is this correct? i have an i7 11700K.
Same
I have the 14900k as well but have no problems but check your Bios for somthing called Gamers Legacey mode (or somthing like that) as on my Asus motherboard this will turn off the E-cores just by pressing "Scroll Lock" on the keyboard with no need for 3rd party software
Exactluy MSI pro series MBO also has simmilar
you can do this even without process lasso just in the taskmanager i ve done high prio and affinity 0 to 7 i could not find any perfomance boost
I've heard it's a good idea also to exclude 0 core what is most often used by Windows and system - I'm not sure if I'm right about that but could be worth trying. Thanks for the video.
Does the app need to be open while running DCS, or does it run in the background regularly?
I have the 14900k as well, didn't think I'm having any issues after the most recent bios update, however everyone told me I should do this anyways and I found your video. When I press "P Cores" it auto sets it to the first 15 cores not 7. I didn't manually change anything, have any recommendations?
I had a PC built around the RTX 4090. I, too, was frustrated by the stutters in OpenBeta MT. I stumbled on a process on some forum whereby at DCS startup screen, I go to the task manager, right click on DCS, then right-click Go To Details and then to Set Affinity and uncheck No. 8. It clears up all stutters. Is this an automated way to do this, and is it run at PC startup?
Can someone tell me if this program is good for what I'm having trouble with. Connections timed out and DCS crashes a lot?
Hey guys, what if I do not have a p-cores button? I have a I7 10700k CPU.
me too
You explained how to download Process Lasso and how to set up a DCS-profile.
Then what ?
Do I need to start PL before starting DCS ?
Do I manually select the profile ?
Can this be done automatically ?
Do you have to run it every time you reboot before playing?
No, only if you want to change it
Does this program you need to open and do this whole procedure every time you start up your computer? Or is this a one and done deal
one time deal
eCores have been introduced by INTEL as 12th Gen++ only.
Unparking my CPU Cores helped a lot. Just in case.
This is more important than setting it to all P cores. You can leave it to use both if you do this as a lot of spikes are the P cores waking up from a low state to be used and doing this fixes that and the spikes in DCS.
QUESTION: does it matter what shortcut for DCS we use?
for example.. multi-threaded or single-thread
or special shortcuts for VR?
There is only one DCS now. Even if you run beta multithread icon it's the same DCS as running stable. This was done to unify the player base.
@@thefinancier12 single and multi thread are still different builds
Thanks, Do you have to do this every time you boot up DCS??
Any idea if Process Lasso needs to be running on the background for this to work?
Hey, I have a problem. So when I go to cpu affinity, it doesn’t give me the option to select P cores, I get the option to stagger
Same
same
I have a rocket lake I7-11700k and I don't think they did E cores until 12th gen. same.
The DCS developers are just getting around to multithreading, like 20 years late. Just in time for hybrid CPUs to be the norm. I guess they'll get around to coding for these in the mid 2040s.
The same goes for AMD, especially those with two CCDs with different cache sizes and core speeds, like my 7950x3D. I locked DCS to the physical cores on the cached CCD and realized a massive increase in smoothness.
Yet, there is not anything similar to DCS if you want to simulate air combat
@@lokenb Falcon BMS is arguably a better sim than DCS.
@@YerbaBoi nope
Sure, BMS is a better sim, and takes advantage of all the hardware improvements of the last decade, latest GPUs, CPUs, etc. Yet DCS is the main culprit of not using all the cores...
Ehh dcs is fairly arcade compared to bms if you fly f16, but for other planes dcs wins. Bms dynamic campaign is waaay better than anything in dcs. But i still play more dcs because i like Carrier stuff :D
I ask if you can do that with Photoshop and corel draw? :)))
Need to put red night filter on hud, vdi, and hsi
Sir Should the app remain open in the background? Thks
Unfortunately this did not work for me. It made DCS unplayable. Frames were 1-15 on the main DCS page where normally the FPS is 120 on my system. The mouse was lagy and the mission would not load.
I have a Core i5 12600K 3.7 GHz, 64ghz of DDR4 Ram, RTX 3070 gpu, and DCS is on a dedicated 2tb SSD.
My stutters weren't really to bad and I thought this might help but sadly it did not. I did follow your instructions to the letter. Thanks for putting info like this out there.
I run DCS on a low end PC and get playable framerates. On some complex missions however (such as the ones that come with the Raven One campaign) bug out with certain activations and triggers on my pc whilst working perfectly fine on higher end systems. The Devs reckon it could be something due to the scheduler having a panic attack if it means keeping DCS at playable framerates. I wonder if process lasso could mitigate this.
Great vids!! How do you acticvate Game Turbo (High performance) ? Can`t find this under main - Active Power Profile.
amazing video again. Thanks!!
I have 2 questions :
1 - What about if there no button "P-Cores" to click on (I have a RTX 2070 SUPER)
2 - Does all of this work with VR ?
Many thanks in advance
I've just finished a new build a few days ago - 14900 with 4090 (had the 4090 in my i9 11th gen pc and switiched it over to my new build). I'm also getting very poor performance in VR in DCS. Well, I say that, but getting 90fps but it is as you say inconsistent in actual percieved performance. Tried this and it hasn't worked for me. Going back to my 11th gen. Was getting great performance and very consistent. I'll have a look around in 6 months time when someone has figured out what the hell is going on.
Did you set XMP so your RAM isn't running at the budget crap's speeds?
@@Specter0420Hey - no I didn't do that. How do you do it and will it make a difference?
@@RoJayEmm you need to go into your motherboard's BIOS and change the settings in there. Google/UA-cam it, it's easy.
@@Specter0420Cheers mate. Found it in the BIOS. I has made a difference. My 11th gen pc is still better performance. But thanks!
@@RoJayEmm to be frank, if you didn't know about XMP there are many other things you've probably missed that could explain the bad performance. It's probably user error. On the software side you should update to the latest mobo BIOS and use the mobo driver utility to get all the latest drivers in windows, you need windows 11 for that CPU to be used correctly, you need resizable bar enabled in BIOS, and you probably need to learn how to overclock and undervolt to tune your system properly.
On the hardware side you could have bought slow budget crap RAM (I think 6Ghz is the minimum sweet spot for 14th gen Intel at the moment, but don't quote me). Maybe you have an undersized CPU cooler, bad case cooling, bad cooler mount pressure, bad cooler thermal paste job, bad fan direction\placement, etc.
Your best start would be running the quick free benchmark at the userbenchmark website. Allow it to upload the results and it'll give each of your components a "percentile" ranking compared to others with the same PC parts. This will quickly show you if your CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, etc is underperforming. It gives a few scores so make sure you're reading the "percentile score" with "of 100 PCs with the same components, yours is performing...".
Note: It is a quick benchmark and isn't good at finding thermal issues. You'll need overclocking tools like p95, intelburntest and temp monitoring tools like coretemp to check that. All software mentioned is free.
SPUD MY PROJECT LASO WHICH IS UPDATED CURRENT VERSION DOESNT HAVE THE OPTION FOR PEAK CORES ONLY HAS STAGER OR INVERT OPTION. ANY IDEAS HOW TO FIGURE OUT YOUR PERFORMANCE CORES?????
Sounds like you have an AMD cpu
@@SpudspikeSo on AMD, do you just select CPU 0 through 7, or is AMD just good enough as it is?
@@Spudspike no rtx 2070
@@Spudspike Intel i7 8750
When I run Process Lasso lately all I see are affinity errors in the action log, even when I have no affinity rules running. What could be causing that?
windows lol
I think you can do the same thing to the cpu via the bios but for anything that you run.
Thanks for this video. But I don't know what to do with this program? I can do that more easily by hand.
Once configured, do I need to run Process Lasso before DCS.everytime?
Can’t you do all this within windows. I can set priorities and set affinities as well. Does this program do something better than the default windows process?
Yes, but you'll need to do it every time you open dcs. Process lasso does it automatically based on the configs that you set.
@spudknocker I am always wondering whats causing your performance issues.
One question. Description says 14900K combined with DDR4 3600mhz RAM?
Raptor lake is primarily designed to run on DDR5. What board are you on?
Since DCS 2.9 i see most often intel users having trouble. DCS Multithreading seems to run pretty fine on AMD, but having almost no effect on intel platforms or causing even trouble.
Even though, DCS should run ultra smooth even without MT on your setup.
Hi Spudknocker, many thanks for your hints. On my side and after sticking to your recommandations.. Still suffer from stutters, weirdly especially flying low over the sea and flying by boats. I apply strictly what you said and it is better but the issue is not completely addressed. Would you mind to disclose your in game settings.. I'd be so grateful, knowing I run a High end PC (I9 13900K, RTX4090, 64GB RAM).
turn your textures down to medium and see how it goes. I can't really tell the difference and the performance increase was huge for me.
do you leave process lasso on while playing?
If any one can help me out sorry if all ready asked I installed free lasso but I always get an pop up at the start to update the version . I select not to well this still run the game even if I don't update
So what type of increase did you get?
I still get the stutters after doing this. Not idea why
I9 14900KF
Rtx 4090
128gb ram
Too much stuff bro, need to downgrade, 3080, i7, 32gb of ram
jk of course
i think its the 14900. I run 13900k and it seems to run better with dlss off
I think the MT / DLSS + 4090 = "BUT, WHAT DO I DO WITH MY HANdS" I get better FPS with Priority set and Dlss off . same config with 13900k
Without MT Fps + with dlss on. VR vs NON VR with 4k resolution
@@jamisondanecker8186 I'll try that. I hope ED keep working on making DCS more VR friendly. You need to be a computer genius to make it work.
Process Lasso has made DCS playable for me but it doesn't run as smooth as it should. Thanks for the comment mate
Try disabling your paging file in windows you have enough Ram to do this, if should help with stutters. Google how to do it it's easy
Tha ks this helped out a lot