I feel they are not Personas, but more like DDS transformations. You can see near the end the MC kinda turning into the thing themselves. It would be very cool to have very different designs for different clases.
One thing I theorize is that the book the MC is reading next to the fairy is probably an important item. The fairy acts like she's interpreting something from the book and the last third or so of the trailer mentions "it all began with the novel in thy possession" and has a reoccuring idea about a book. Assumedly it will be the main driving point of the story and why the MC travels. Other thing is there's seemingly no day limit? At the very least none that could be seen in this trailer. It could be just coincidence but it makes me wonder how the game structure works relative to the day system.
While it's possible there may not be an overall time limit like in the Persona games, I've noticed at some points in the trailer in the top right of the screen there'd be a Mission reminder similar to Persona 5 and sometimes it'd have what seems to be a countdown like "Calamity: 00" or "A Path Opens: 00" so there does seem to be a time limit in certain missions. Other times though there indeed seems to be no such counter. Such as on the walking boat thing it simply says "Head to Port Brilehaven
“Revelations” was a western localization moniker before they used Shin Megami Tensei(because Persona and Last Bible got to the west before SMT was localized with Nocturne)it has nothing to do with Persona.
Soul Hacker was a class in XC3 too, and it was basically a thing where you got a skill or a move for every single Unique Enemy that you defeated in the world (meaning it was either kinda ok or one of the most broken classes in the game depending on how much you explored). If it’s anything like that in this game that would be epic
Learning archetype sounds similar to the system used in Digital Devil Saga. Probably gonna get new archetypes showing up in the akademia after reaching certain points in the game or perhaps after clearing side contents. Would be cool to get a super powerful archetype after max ranking a follower, just like with max confidant in persona
They definitely stopped working on it completely then picked it back up after persons 5 royal then went all hands on deck after smt v so it’s probably more like 4 years of development
If you look when the player opens the skill menu, each skill has a cost of those crystal things in the top left, with the ones costing more than 2 being red because they only have 2 crystal things. What's interesting is that's not the archetype menu, it appears to be someone else using the main character's skills through the Synthesis command. So those crystal things probably aren't press turns, they seem to be a resource that you spend to do teamup attacks with another party member's archetype.
2 characters using their 2 turns in a combination attack, it is just press turn. Its as much as a separate resource as pressturn is. Plus enemies literally have it to, have you actually payed attention?
@@trueaegisform6811 It could be that but I don't think so. If you look at how much hp/sp the characters have their levels are pretty high. At that level, having to spend two turns just to cast Matarukaja would be very bad. Then again they do seem to have basic classes equipped so there's some unrealistic demo jank going on, maybe you're right and they have bad skills because of that.
@@trueaegisform6811 Actually, never mind you're right and they do just have bad skills equipped. When the dragon crits that guy it's icon gets an effect on it as if it has become a half-turn. Enemies having the same resource wouldn't nescesarily mean it was press turns, but that does for sure.
It's def press turn. There's a small snippet during the montage of small clips near the end where a boss crits and one of their red stars doesn't go away and instead has a small effect appear around it. Edit: Oh I'm late woops sorry lol
This is going to be awesome. I have always wanted a game that borrowed elements from both SMT and Persona. This seems to do just that but with its own separate universe so I'm more than happy for this! Atlus fans are eating good This coming year.
Metaphor is pretty much a new Persona sequel like Strange Journey to SMT series. Synthesis almost looks like it utilizes the same rule as Combo skills in Digital Devil Saga Avatar Tuner. Also one interesting note in the localization, the "human" mentioned in the Chinese trailer is not simply "人類" but a made-up term "源人" which means the "origin/source human".
It seems like a stretch to call this a Persona sequel, especially by comparison to Strange Journey, which is literally just an SMT game in every way. There's certainly a lot of Persona and general MegaTen influence here (unsurprisingly), but it still feels much more distinctly its own thing than anything Atlus has released in a long long time.
How did you get through this without mentioning DDS? lol, the archetype system sounds exactly like the system in DDS. the characters even seem to turn into them
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Something to note is that one of the very first trailers talked about a world where there are no race differences and conflicts. Where people strive for equality with grass towers beaming in the sky and transportation running in the roads. So yeah, this whole "modern society is paradise" was actually aluded to 6 or so years back lmao Edit: Since this starts as a fantasy world, with the goal being to merge into the modern world. What if this game is a prequel to Persona. The main character looks very similar to Makoto Yuki. There are archetypes which could be pseudo personas. It's entirely possible this is a persona prequel!
@@offmxds678 False claim. They said they wanted to take the fantasy approach. Just as persona and smt was a divergent of "fantasy" themes back in the day. It would seem that the medievel approach is a divergent of fantasy today. It was never about making something completely new, but instead being different from what everyone else is doing. Since modern fantasy is the big new fad these days.
@Desjuán Is it though? Atlus themselves has a fantasy series in Etrian Odyssey. Western games uses traditional fantasy settings all the time. Isekai is a popular anime genre that typically does escapism into the traditional JRPG fantasy setting. Like I think the concept came from the opener. Isekai was and is popullar during devlopment, and is about escaping the modern world into the fantasy world. This game seems like the concept of what if the fantasy world wanted to escape into our world.
@@shroudedinmyth8229 Katsura Hashino was not the person who directed Etrian Odyssey. He is the Persona 3 - 5 director. When he first left the P-Team, he stated he was making a new studio by the name of "Studio Zero" to branch off and return to "Zero". Where fantasy began.
I haven't seen anyone talking about this, so maybe i just made it up, but i remember it coming out somewhere a long time ago that re:fantazio was a reverse isekai where a fantasy world comes over into ours. That would explain the "our world is their utopia" thing.
Something I noticed you missed was what seemed to be turn costs for the Synthesis attacks. Not really much to say about them really, but I think it's an interesting detail to note regardless. I wonder how they're going to make it worth the lost turns though, since the whole idea behind the Press Turn system, at least to me, is to exploit weaknesses as much as possible to gain as much action economy as possible, and using multiple turns for a single attack seems slightly counter-productive for that.
Tbf there is a similar idea with the combo attacks from DDS which also used press turn. Tbf there as well it wasn’t always worth it, but sometimes the only way to have access to really strong abilities was through it which might be the trade
As an abstraction for catching an opponent off guard for an oppurtunity attack it makes sense. So press turn, stagger bar and skill resource in a single mechanic maybe?
It legitimately looks like the party members so far are fantasy versions of Makoto/Aigis, Akihiko, Mitsuru, Koromaru, and Yukari. Don’t know if that’s intentional or not, but if we get people that look like analogs for Shinjiro, Junpei, Ken and Fuuka I’ll be more than a little suspicious.
Looking at it, each move has a 'star' next to it (Normally 2-4 shown) so it could be that you have a shared pool of 'stars' to use and some moves can be used more than others?
I see the white dude guy has some things on his head that looks like horns. Maybe it’s related to dragons since it appeared on another character. Idk because no one has pointed them out
I see this game as a Persona reboot honestly, in which I'm totally in, knowing that the real Persona 6 will probably come in 2026 or so. PD: the "SMT 4 prologue" setting is godtier
13:30 Based on some other snippets in the trailer it does look like these archetypes are separate from class. The protagonist seems to have the same one on a few different classes while of course mr SMT 4 keeps the same guy between a few 15:33 I actually don't think those are standard press turn at the very least. It looks like you can consume them for skills 19:58 I think that you may be able to actually transform into your archetype and the magnetite may be used to maintain that?
The persona looking creature are probably what they call archetypes according to the UI we have seen. They seem to be a hybrid between jobs from final fantasy and personas which is super exciting to me. Especially if there's a lot of them to equip and some customisation. Synthesis seems to be moves that use several actions from your entire party which looks like to be team based so probably based on the combination of archetypes you have equipped. Matarukaja being one of them.
Fun facts about SMT as a whole: There are only two games in the series where you fight the "abrahamic god," SMT2 and 4 Apocolypse. And even then in those two games God is incredibly mischaracterized, not acting anything like the Christain God or even how He's depicted in the Old Testament and a lot more like Yaldabaoth, the false god in gnosticism. Heck, a lot of the information surrounding the being that claims to be "God" validates this theory that "God" in SMT is actually just Yaldabaoth. In multiple of the games (namely Nine and Strange Journey) one of this wannabe creator's forms is explicitly stated to be Yaldabaoth/The Demiurge, implying that they're the same person. 4A also explicitly states that's that the big man who's name starts with the letter Y is actually just a false God, another demon/daemon created by humanity's subconscious desire to be controlled that has ascended to divinity from humanity's belief. Hmm, a daemon that represents humanity's desire to be controlled, who does that remind me of? Oh right, Yaldabaoth from Persona 5, which heavily implies that "God" as depicted in most SMT games is not the Christain God, but rather the false god Yaldabaoth from gnosticism, most likely because the Japanese people making the early games never read the Bible and had some REALLY strange sources for their info that caused them to get the Christain God and the gnostic Yaldabaoth mixed up. The only exceptions to this rule are potentially Devil Survivor 1 where God is a lot more morally sound and where the law ending is actually one of the more positive ones, and arguably SMT1. In those games God is ACTUALLY depicted like he is in the Old Testament, loving and having humanity's interests at heart but not tolerating evil and disobedience and commonly tests humanity with trials in other to prove their worth. In SMT1 yes the law ending has you flood the world again killing millions, but the game explicitly states that God and his servants try to save as many people as possible if they are willing to establish a new kingdom. The floods purpose is to wipe out the demons and reset and rejuvenate the completely ruined world, actually saving humanity rather than destroying them. Yes, while most games end with you fighting some sort of God, very few of them end with you fighting the CHRISTAIN God and none if you believe in my "SMT God is just Yaldabaoth" theory, which has very heavy backing across the series. Avatar Tuner ends with you fighting Brahman, the lead dirty of Hindu mythology. Nocturne has the final boss be Kagitsuchi, a Japanese diety. (unless you're on True Demon where the final boss is Lucifer) SMT1 doesn't even end with you fighting a literal god, either an Asura if you're on Law or Neutral or a Seraphim if you're on Chaos. Strange Journey has you fight Mem Aleph as the final boss, an OC based on depictions of "mother earth" or Gaia. The Chaos Route has you fight Zelennin as the final boss, who is just an ordinary human. Redux adds the true final boss Sheknah, which is either an alternate feminine name for God in the old testament or one of Yaldabaoth's archons in Gnosticism who is also known by the male name Sabaoth. Since Yaldabaoth/Demiurge is another "fragment of God" in Strange Journey, it's safe to say that they and Metatron are all Yaldabaoth. SMT 4's final boss is either Lucifer (Law and Neutral) or Merkabah, (Chaos) though both are fought during the neutral route and there are optional bosses that can be fought afterwards on either Chaos or Neutral. (Senat, Ancient of Days, Masakado's Shadow, and the Fiends) SMT5's final boss is Lucifer once again no matter the route. Soul Hackers 1&2's final bosses are both OCs. Persona 1's final boss is either Pandora (SEBEC Route) or Nyx. (Snow Queen Route) Pandora is a human from Greek Mythology, and Nyx is a diety from that same culture. Persona 2's final boss is Nyartholepolep, a lovecraftian diety, in both of the games. Persona 3's final boss is Nyx, (again) or Erebus in the FES exclusive epilogue, both Greek deities. Persona 4's final boss is Izanami a Japanese diety. All the P4 spinoffs minus PQ end with a fight with a fragment of Izanami. PQ ends with a fight with an OC, the "Clockwork King." P5 and Strikers both end with a fight with Yaldabaoth, and Royal's true final boss is against Azathoth, another lovecraftian diety. So while yes, many of the games final bosses are against deities as per tradition with JRPGs, very few of them end with fights with beings claiming to be the Christain God. Heck, you end up fighting Lucifer more times as the final boss (6 times) than "God." (twice) Another claim you made is that "the God of the old testament loves human sacrifice." That is blatantly untrue, God HATES hunan sacrifices and listed that as one of the many atrocities the people of canaan commit. The only time he asked someone to do one was with Abraham and Issac but that was meant to be a test. Abraham was SUPPOSED to question God on performing an act so insanely out of line with God's character, but Abraham did it anyways so God had to stop him. James Dooblydoo described it best in his "I Explain the Book of Genesis" video and very humorously as well. (It's just a prank bro!) God is loving and caring and wants the best for humanity. He always offers forgiveness as long as you truely repent, and yes this is true in the OT as well. (as shown in Jonah) He's not some evil, maniac control freak, that's Yaldabaoth from gnosticism who is completely different. Yes God did ask the Israelites to perform animal sacrifice back in the OT, but that was normal in the culture at that time and God canonicly views animal life as far less valuable than human life, and he's not wrong. (unless you're peta or another type of vegan cultist lmao) TLDR: You're wrong about God. L+ratio+woozer+read the Bible dimwit
I have a crackpot theory. I think this game is Persona 6, at least in some form. I don’t care to type out the whole theory, as I’m a bit delirious bc it’s late, but the basic idea is this: Each persona game sets up their own unique shadow world (or at least 3-5). I think you play as a character that exists within the shadow world, which is why everything can be as fantastical as it is. This game refers to our world as a paradise for them, and I think that playing as a rag tag team of shadows that fight to live within the human world would be an incredibly interesting set up for a new Persona. This is the most crackpot theory I’ve ever had but I think it’d be badass lol. I wouldn’t be disappointed if I’m completely off the mark bc this game looks great anyways.
17:22 The series you’re talking about is Persona. I think you’ll like the series after watching a few of your videos. I heard there’s a Persona 3 Remake coming out next year. You should check it out.
I'm not really interested with the settings and the character design tbh, but goddamn the art and the UI are so beautiful and the fact that it has a lot of similarities to Persona, I'm down for it.
I'm interested because fantasy games have such interesting lore and setting usually. Also this is the art director for Persona dream game. This is the Game he always wanted to make, so the art in this will be really good.
Oh snap, I don’t think it’s Press Turn. On the Synthesis screen in battle, each skill has a cost corresponding to that “Crystal” icon at the top of the screen, some are marked out because you don’t have enough available.
been saying this since the original stuff was mentioned. This game is persona 6 to me. Calling it a different series will only make sense if it addresses different themes, which I honestly kinda doubt. +
Im hyped! only thing that rubbed me the wrong way and i might be too nitpicky, was the trailer saying "from the creators of persona 3, 4, 5" like...i get it, smt and persona are from different studios but they all work under Atlus. Should have said "from the creators of Shin Megami Tensei/Persona". just feels like SMT series getting shafted a little since they are both in same universe but persona is now more popular then the main series .and im a little worried persona & persona like games are their main focus and moving away from SMT dungeon crawling.
@@Limit02 as stated. i know its specifically that studio. however. Atlus is a developer as well as a publisher. they own all those studios. it's just weird for them to highlight just persona and not include their SMT games despite the cross overlap between teams/same universe as persona. you can argue why even bring up persona in the 1st place when its not a persona game? They name dropped Persona, specifically persona 5 since its super popular and everyone knows it. they used the name for publicity. so why not do the same for SMT? I only mention this because if you were to take your average persona 5 player and show them SMT 5 for example. the amount of people who will say its "cloning persona 5" or "bootleg persona 5" is shockingly high if persona 5 subreddit is any metric lol. if you were to compare fandom for persona and smt it would be night and day, hell persona even has collabs in mobile games. smt is pretty niche and i don't like how they cant even acknowledge the series in their own trailer when SMT started it all.
what if the trailer is an elaborate misdirection and this is actually a what if scenario of persona universes AND the protagonist is actually the FemC (or such versions thereof of the other Persona series if this game continues on its own). Would have been more into it since P3 remake, this would be their opportunity to reuse FemC in a modern story/platform.
Im not attacking the graphics but it clearly looks like its running the same engine as persona 5 and looks like switch graphics, like SMT5. if this was an xbox x/pc exclusive I would assume they would crank up the graphics by a fair amount, but this graphic engine seems made for a switch version. my point is, IF this was an microsoft exclusive game, you would expect much better graphics, even for that studio which makes me believe a switch port is in the making.
Now that I've seen this breakdown, I have to admit, I'm kinda disappointed in the game. Like you said, the game is essentially just fantasy Persona, and I was really expecting more of a shake-up to the formula or at least, not so many rehashed elements. I still think it looks good and I'm definitely going to pick it up, but for a new IP, I would've wanted them to have experimented a bit more.
Loving the party:
-Makoto Aigis of Fireemblem
-Goat Narukami
-Elfin Yoshizawa
-Rabbit Morgana
-Yukari Fairy
the little elf girl *Hulkenberg*
It's a bat
Yukari finally overcame her homophobia and became lgbt+ positive ❤
I feel they are not Personas, but more like DDS transformations. You can see near the end the MC kinda turning into the thing themselves.
It would be very cool to have very different designs for different clases.
fun fact tho : There is a Persona original anime (not based on the games) where the MC transforms themselves into Personas
@@symphonixbladesTrinity Soul? I haven't watched it but persona transformation from the person? Sounds cool on paper.
@@ReiSyre62 yes Persona Trinity Soul that one
Fither was channeling his inner Matpat with the trailer analysis
One thing I theorize is that the book the MC is reading next to the fairy is probably an important item. The fairy acts like she's interpreting something from the book and the last third or so of the trailer mentions "it all began with the novel in thy possession" and has a reoccuring idea about a book. Assumedly it will be the main driving point of the story and why the MC travels.
Other thing is there's seemingly no day limit? At the very least none that could be seen in this trailer. It could be just coincidence but it makes me wonder how the game structure works relative to the day system.
While it's possible there may not be an overall time limit like in the Persona games, I've noticed at some points in the trailer in the top right of the screen there'd be a Mission reminder similar to Persona 5 and sometimes it'd have what seems to be a countdown like "Calamity: 00" or "A Path Opens: 00" so there does seem to be a time limit in certain missions. Other times though there indeed seems to be no such counter. Such as on the walking boat thing it simply says "Head to Port Brilehaven
magnetite was used in the raidou kuzunoha games
"Revelations: Persona"
"Metaphor: ReFantazio "
I guess colons are the confirmed mark of new Atlus series.
“Revelations” was a western localization moniker before they used Shin Megami Tensei(because Persona and Last Bible got to the west before SMT was localized with Nocturne)it has nothing to do with Persona.
Soul Hacker was a class in XC3 too, and it was basically a thing where you got a skill or a move for every single Unique Enemy that you defeated in the world (meaning it was either kinda ok or one of the most broken classes in the game depending on how much you explored). If it’s anything like that in this game that would be epic
That's pretty much like the vampire and catmancer from the bravely default series, didn't expect that job archetype to exist outside of that
like the vampire from bravely default
this is the exact moment when fither becane hulkenberg
I'm begging to hulkenberg!
Wait a minute… press turn… equipping jobs to learn new skills… synthesis attacks…
Is this game just Digital Devil Saga 3?????
i like how Gallica has armor and a sword while roaming around
also at 19:54 you can see the shape of the the golden statue from 20:45 behind the MC
Learning archetype sounds similar to the system used in Digital Devil Saga.
Probably gonna get new archetypes showing up in the akademia after reaching certain points in the game or perhaps after clearing side contents.
Would be cool to get a super powerful archetype after max ranking a follower, just like with max confidant in persona
We are so eating good
Here's hoping they got the most out of that 7 years of development
They definitely stopped working on it completely then picked it back up after persons 5 royal then went all hands on deck after smt v so it’s probably more like 4 years of development
Definitely this is not the original vision for the game.
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737yeah i don’t think that’s how it ended up at all lol
@@smittywerbenjagermanjensen4737 Studio Zero didn't work on P5 Royal afaik
This seems likes a fusion of SMT and Persona and I'm here for it.
If you look when the player opens the skill menu, each skill has a cost of those crystal things in the top left, with the ones costing more than 2 being red because they only have 2 crystal things. What's interesting is that's not the archetype menu, it appears to be someone else using the main character's skills through the Synthesis command. So those crystal things probably aren't press turns, they seem to be a resource that you spend to do teamup attacks with another party member's archetype.
2 characters using their 2 turns in a combination attack, it is just press turn. Its as much as a separate resource as pressturn is. Plus enemies literally have it to, have you actually payed attention?
@@trueaegisform6811 It could be that but I don't think so. If you look at how much hp/sp the characters have their levels are pretty high. At that level, having to spend two turns just to cast Matarukaja would be very bad. Then again they do seem to have basic classes equipped so there's some unrealistic demo jank going on, maybe you're right and they have bad skills because of that.
@@trueaegisform6811 Actually, never mind you're right and they do just have bad skills equipped. When the dragon crits that guy it's icon gets an effect on it as if it has become a half-turn. Enemies having the same resource wouldn't nescesarily mean it was press turns, but that does for sure.
It's def press turn. There's a small snippet during the montage of small clips near the end where a boss crits and one of their red stars doesn't go away and instead has a small effect appear around it.
Edit: Oh I'm late woops sorry lol
Maybe is better compared to Magatsuhi Skills from SMT V
Can’t wait for Fither to play Xenoblade 3 and see the Soul Hacker class
This is going to be awesome. I have always wanted a game that borrowed elements from both SMT and Persona. This seems to do just that but with its own separate universe so I'm more than happy for this! Atlus fans are eating good This coming year.
17:20 Clearly Custom Maid 3D, my favourite atlus JRPG!
/s
12:27 "Sounds like the name of a bouncer of a club"
Or the name of a Formula 1 driver that never finishes on the podium...
Metaphor is pretty much a new Persona sequel like Strange Journey to SMT series. Synthesis almost looks like it utilizes the same rule as Combo skills in Digital Devil Saga Avatar Tuner. Also one interesting note in the localization, the "human" mentioned in the Chinese trailer is not simply "人類" but a made-up term "源人" which means the "origin/source human".
It seems like a stretch to call this a Persona sequel, especially by comparison to Strange Journey, which is literally just an SMT game in every way.
There's certainly a lot of Persona and general MegaTen influence here (unsurprisingly), but it still feels much more distinctly its own thing than anything Atlus has released in a long long time.
How did you get through this without mentioning DDS? lol, the archetype system sounds exactly like the system in DDS. the characters even seem to turn into them
our world being a utopia to fantasy characters was a concept Xenoblade 3 Future Redeemed played with
Pretty much
The amount of people who don't use period and comma to go forward and back 1 frame. I use them constantly.
This trailer went by so fast I didn't even catch half this stuff. Thank you Fither cause I'm a hell of a lot more excited for this game now!
This game looks incredible! Can’t wait!
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that moon face thing looks like a salidor dali painting
I hope the job system is like Yakuza 7 I actually like that system quite a bit (though it Is a tad basic)
6:31 nah that’s hermit purple
Something to note is that one of the very first trailers talked about a world where there are no race differences and conflicts. Where people strive for equality with grass towers beaming in the sky and transportation running in the roads.
So yeah, this whole "modern society is paradise" was actually aluded to 6 or so years back lmao
Edit:
Since this starts as a fantasy world, with the goal being to merge into the modern world. What if this game is a prequel to Persona. The main character looks very similar to Makoto Yuki. There are archetypes which could be pseudo personas. It's entirely possible this is a persona prequel!
they say that this game is "not persona, not megami tensei", it's just as much persona as bravely default is final fantasy
@@offmxds678 False claim. They said they wanted to take the fantasy approach. Just as persona and smt was a divergent of "fantasy" themes back in the day. It would seem that the medievel approach is a divergent of fantasy today.
It was never about making something completely new, but instead being different from what everyone else is doing. Since modern fantasy is the big new fad these days.
@Desjuán Is it though? Atlus themselves has a fantasy series in Etrian Odyssey. Western games uses traditional fantasy settings all the time. Isekai is a popular anime genre that typically does escapism into the traditional JRPG fantasy setting.
Like I think the concept came from the opener. Isekai was and is popullar during devlopment, and is about escaping the modern world into the fantasy world. This game seems like the concept of what if the fantasy world wanted to escape into our world.
@@shroudedinmyth8229 Katsura Hashino was not the person who directed Etrian Odyssey. He is the Persona 3 - 5 director. When he first left the P-Team, he stated he was making a new studio by the name of "Studio Zero" to branch off and return to "Zero".
Where fantasy began.
I think the MC transforms into the "Persona like" character
I haven't seen anyone talking about this, so maybe i just made it up, but i remember it coming out somewhere a long time ago that re:fantazio was a reverse isekai where a fantasy world comes over into ours. That would explain the "our world is their utopia" thing.
17:19 oh, i know what game you're talking about, that's yugioh tag force!
Heismay + Hulkenburg = Heisenberg
The Archetypes seem to be based off the 12 Jungian psychology Archetypes, the persona DNA runs deep
Something I noticed you missed was what seemed to be turn costs for the Synthesis attacks. Not really much to say about them really, but I think it's an interesting detail to note regardless. I wonder how they're going to make it worth the lost turns though, since the whole idea behind the Press Turn system, at least to me, is to exploit weaknesses as much as possible to gain as much action economy as possible, and using multiple turns for a single attack seems slightly counter-productive for that.
Tbf there is a similar idea with the combo attacks from DDS which also used press turn. Tbf there as well it wasn’t always worth it, but sometimes the only way to have access to really strong abilities was through it which might be the trade
As an abstraction for catching an opponent off guard for an oppurtunity attack it makes sense. So press turn, stagger bar and skill resource in a single mechanic maybe?
It reminds of the early era like you said as well as Catherine, which is one of my favorite Atlus games so far
This cannot come fast enough.
He took a perc 30 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It legitimately looks like the party members so far are fantasy versions of Makoto/Aigis, Akihiko, Mitsuru, Koromaru, and Yukari. Don’t know if that’s intentional or not, but if we get people that look like analogs for Shinjiro, Junpei, Ken and Fuuka I’ll be more than a little suspicious.
Makoto Yuki, Yu Narukami and aigis in a red wig walk into a bar:
"What a metaphor!" said bartender
*cough* Btw, you can use the keybuttons [ , ] and [ . ] to go frame by frame while paused
And you fight the demon lord to, and I think the MC is riding a sword.
This is like ATLUS is going in the Fantasy direction
One of the faces in the falling moon thing kinda looks like a Mokoi
Looking at it, each move has a 'star' next to it (Normally 2-4 shown) so it could be that you have a shared pool of 'stars' to use and some moves can be used more than others?
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I see the white dude guy has some things on his head that looks like horns. Maybe it’s related to dragons since it appeared on another character. Idk because no one has pointed them out
If these games don’t all get a PlayStation release date IM SHITTING A BRICK
I generally wonder if any ideas they are using for this game was scrapped concepts from other games that they worked on
MEDIEVAL MAKOTO YUKI AND GORO AKECHI TEAM UP WITH A RAT AND ELF MITSURU TO DEFEAT EVIL THE GAME
Hmm games where you make meet other characters and make bonds to progress? Oh, DK64!
It's a hoverboard sword.
I’ll donate my left testicle if this is persona 6 in disguise. Like the credits roll and Igor appears or some shit.
igor shows up to recruit the protagonist in the post credits scene like nick fury
Maybe mag is used for swapping/upgrading jobs?
Fither is a good boy
I see this game as a Persona reboot honestly, in which I'm totally in, knowing that the real Persona 6 will probably come in 2026 or so.
PD: the "SMT 4 prologue" setting is godtier
13:30 Based on some other snippets in the trailer it does look like these archetypes are separate from class. The protagonist seems to have the same one on a few different classes while of course mr SMT 4 keeps the same guy between a few
15:33 I actually don't think those are standard press turn at the very least. It looks like you can consume them for skills
19:58 I think that you may be able to actually transform into your archetype and the magnetite may be used to maintain that?
It gives me howls moving castle vibes
Fither you know that you can use the "." and "," buttons to move frame by frame right?
The persona looking creature are probably what they call archetypes according to the UI we have seen. They seem to be a hybrid between jobs from final fantasy and personas which is super exciting to me. Especially if there's a lot of them to equip and some customisation.
Synthesis seems to be moves that use several actions from your entire party which looks like to be team based so probably based on the combination of archetypes you have equipped.
Matarukaja being one of them.
maybe it's also a transformation mechanic maybe instead of summoning them the MC transforms himself into them
Fun facts about SMT as a whole: There are only two games in the series where you fight the "abrahamic god," SMT2 and 4 Apocolypse. And even then in those two games God is incredibly mischaracterized, not acting anything like the Christain God or even how He's depicted in the Old Testament and a lot more like Yaldabaoth, the false god in gnosticism. Heck, a lot of the information surrounding the being that claims to be "God" validates this theory that "God" in SMT is actually just Yaldabaoth. In multiple of the games (namely Nine and Strange Journey) one of this wannabe creator's forms is explicitly stated to be Yaldabaoth/The Demiurge, implying that they're the same person.
4A also explicitly states that's that the big man who's name starts with the letter Y is actually just a false God, another demon/daemon created by humanity's subconscious desire to be controlled that has ascended to divinity from humanity's belief. Hmm, a daemon that represents humanity's desire to be controlled, who does that remind me of? Oh right, Yaldabaoth from Persona 5, which heavily implies that "God" as depicted in most SMT games is not the Christain God, but rather the false god Yaldabaoth from gnosticism, most likely because the Japanese people making the early games never read the Bible and had some REALLY strange sources for their info that caused them to get the Christain God and the gnostic Yaldabaoth mixed up.
The only exceptions to this rule are potentially Devil Survivor 1 where God is a lot more morally sound and where the law ending is actually one of the more positive ones, and arguably SMT1. In those games God is ACTUALLY depicted like he is in the Old Testament, loving and having humanity's interests at heart but not tolerating evil and disobedience and commonly tests humanity with trials in other to prove their worth. In SMT1 yes the law ending has you flood the world again killing millions, but the game explicitly states that God and his servants try to save as many people as possible if they are willing to establish a new kingdom. The floods purpose is to wipe out the demons and reset and rejuvenate the completely ruined world, actually saving humanity rather than destroying them.
Yes, while most games end with you fighting some sort of God, very few of them end with you fighting the CHRISTAIN God and none if you believe in my "SMT God is just Yaldabaoth" theory, which has very heavy backing across the series. Avatar Tuner ends with you fighting Brahman, the lead dirty of Hindu mythology. Nocturne has the final boss be Kagitsuchi, a Japanese diety. (unless you're on True Demon where the final boss is Lucifer) SMT1 doesn't even end with you fighting a literal god, either an Asura if you're on Law or Neutral or a Seraphim if you're on Chaos. Strange Journey has you fight Mem Aleph as the final boss, an OC based on depictions of "mother earth" or Gaia. The Chaos Route has you fight Zelennin as the final boss, who is just an ordinary human. Redux adds the true final boss Sheknah, which is either an alternate feminine name for God in the old testament or one of Yaldabaoth's archons in Gnosticism who is also known by the male name Sabaoth. Since Yaldabaoth/Demiurge is another "fragment of God" in Strange Journey, it's safe to say that they and Metatron are all Yaldabaoth. SMT 4's final boss is either Lucifer (Law and Neutral) or Merkabah, (Chaos) though both are fought during the neutral route and there are optional bosses that can be fought afterwards on either Chaos or Neutral. (Senat, Ancient of Days, Masakado's Shadow, and the Fiends) SMT5's final boss is Lucifer once again no matter the route. Soul Hackers 1&2's final bosses are both OCs. Persona 1's final boss is either Pandora (SEBEC Route) or Nyx. (Snow Queen Route) Pandora is a human from Greek Mythology, and Nyx is a diety from that same culture. Persona 2's final boss is Nyartholepolep, a lovecraftian diety, in both of the games. Persona 3's final boss is Nyx, (again) or Erebus in the FES exclusive epilogue, both Greek deities. Persona 4's final boss is Izanami a Japanese diety. All the P4 spinoffs minus PQ end with a fight with a fragment of Izanami. PQ ends with a fight with an OC, the "Clockwork King." P5 and Strikers both end with a fight with Yaldabaoth, and Royal's true final boss is against Azathoth, another lovecraftian diety. So while yes, many of the games final bosses are against deities as per tradition with JRPGs, very few of them end with fights with beings claiming to be the Christain God. Heck, you end up fighting Lucifer more times as the final boss (6 times) than "God." (twice)
Another claim you made is that "the God of the old testament loves human sacrifice." That is blatantly untrue, God HATES hunan sacrifices and listed that as one of the many atrocities the people of canaan commit. The only time he asked someone to do one was with Abraham and Issac but that was meant to be a test. Abraham was SUPPOSED to question God on performing an act so insanely out of line with God's character, but Abraham did it anyways so God had to stop him. James Dooblydoo described it best in his "I Explain the Book of Genesis" video and very humorously as well. (It's just a prank bro!) God is loving and caring and wants the best for humanity. He always offers forgiveness as long as you truely repent, and yes this is true in the OT as well. (as shown in Jonah) He's not some evil, maniac control freak, that's Yaldabaoth from gnosticism who is completely different. Yes God did ask the Israelites to perform animal sacrifice back in the OT, but that was normal in the culture at that time and God canonicly views animal life as far less valuable than human life, and he's not wrong. (unless you're peta or another type of vegan cultist lmao)
TLDR: You're wrong about God. L+ratio+woozer+read the Bible dimwit
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I've read the bible, God had quite the temper on the old testament lol. Good thing he calmed down on the new testament.
Nobody is reading allat
Did you know you can go frame by frame in a video by pressing comma or period?
I have a crackpot theory. I think this game is Persona 6, at least in some form. I don’t care to type out the whole theory, as I’m a bit delirious bc it’s late, but the basic idea is this:
Each persona game sets up their own unique shadow world (or at least 3-5). I think you play as a character that exists within the shadow world, which is why everything can be as fantastical as it is. This game refers to our world as a paradise for them, and I think that playing as a rag tag team of shadows that fight to live within the human world would be an incredibly interesting set up for a new Persona.
This is the most crackpot theory I’ve ever had but I think it’d be badass lol. I wouldn’t be disappointed if I’m completely off the mark bc this game looks great anyways.
So basically the SMT IV rug-pull all over again. Interesting.
I can't wait to see a Metaphor and Fire Emblem Crossover because this reminds me of fire emblem
Oh if you hadn't noticed it appears that the main characters... will have the ability to Transform instead of Summon......
I am so fucking excited for this. Also this and P3RE in 2024 means there's no way p6 comes before 2025
Didnt know what this was till the stream, but now I'm super hype for it
Long elf ears. Yuuuum
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are they making their own version of the fucking Final Fantasy job system?
I hope they clear out the clunkyness of the animation.
helpful youtube trailer viewing fact: you can use the (.) and (,) keys to go one frame forward and one frame back respectively while paused
17:22 The series you’re talking about is Persona. I think you’ll like the series after watching a few of your videos. I heard there’s a Persona 3 Remake coming out next year. You should check it out.
12:25 so weird they decided to name a female character after a F1 driver lol
There’s gonna end up being connections to Persona and SMT as a whole I’m sure and that would be sick
There's still much to learn but I'll refrain from watching any trailers from now on.
This game is probably going to be really fun, though I really REALLY don't want the mascot to be annoying af
I'm not really interested with the settings and the character design tbh, but goddamn the art and the UI are so beautiful and the fact that it has a lot of similarities to Persona, I'm down for it.
I'm interested because fantasy games have such interesting lore and setting usually. Also this is the art director for Persona dream game. This is the Game he always wanted to make, so the art in this will be really good.
Ps5?
Oh snap, I don’t think it’s Press Turn.
On the Synthesis screen in battle, each skill has a cost corresponding to that “Crystal” icon at the top of the screen, some are marked out because you don’t have enough available.
been saying this since the original stuff was mentioned. This game is persona 6 to me. Calling it a different series will only make sense if it addresses different themes, which I honestly kinda doubt.
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Part 7 Jojo vs. Metaphor team for next Jojo June? 2024
Im hyped! only thing that rubbed me the wrong way and i might be too nitpicky, was the trailer saying "from the creators of persona 3, 4, 5" like...i get it, smt and persona are from different studios but they all work under Atlus. Should have said "from the creators of Shin Megami Tensei/Persona". just feels like SMT series getting shafted a little since they are both in same universe but persona is now more popular then the main series .and im a little worried persona & persona like games are their main focus and moving away from SMT dungeon crawling.
I guess they were trying to say the pstudio made this game, I don't think that studio worked on smt 5?
The specify those 3 games because this game is being made by specifically the Atlus team who made those game
@@Limit02 as stated. i know its specifically that studio. however. Atlus is a developer as well as a publisher. they own all those studios. it's just weird for them to highlight just persona and not include their SMT games despite the cross overlap between teams/same universe as persona. you can argue why even bring up persona in the 1st place when its not a persona game? They name dropped Persona, specifically persona 5 since its super popular and everyone knows it. they used the name for publicity. so why not do the same for SMT?
I only mention this because if you were to take your average persona 5 player and show them SMT 5 for example. the amount of people who will say its "cloning persona 5" or "bootleg persona 5" is shockingly high if persona 5 subreddit is any metric lol. if you were to compare fandom for persona and smt it would be night and day, hell persona even has collabs in mobile games. smt is pretty niche and i don't like how they cant even acknowledge the series in their own trailer when SMT started it all.
what if the trailer is an elaborate misdirection and this is actually a what if scenario of persona universes AND the protagonist is actually the FemC (or such versions thereof of the other Persona series if this game continues on its own). Would have been more into it since P3 remake, this would be their opportunity to reuse FemC in a modern story/platform.
The main character looks for me like a she. Am I the only one who thinks that ?
Im not attacking the graphics but it clearly looks like its running the same engine as persona 5 and looks like switch graphics, like SMT5.
if this was an xbox x/pc exclusive I would assume they would crank up the graphics by a fair amount, but this graphic engine seems made for a switch version.
my point is, IF this was an microsoft exclusive game, you would expect much better graphics, even for that studio which makes me believe a switch port is in the making.
It is probably made for the Series S.
Now that I've seen this breakdown, I have to admit, I'm kinda disappointed in the game. Like you said, the game is essentially just fantasy Persona, and I was really expecting more of a shake-up to the formula or at least, not so many rehashed elements. I still think it looks good and I'm definitely going to pick it up, but for a new IP, I would've wanted them to have experimented a bit more.
No way I am waiting till 2025 to play that game on my PS5. give japane the fucking game wtf. no one plays on XBox down there
All my homies hate Metaphor: ReFantazio
We want Devil Summoner translation 🤑🗣️💯🆙🆙📈📈
We can have both you know