On the topic of persona 2 having an adult cast: its really funny how Ulala struggles with a lack of love life because she has a cursed trait that she cannot escape from that ruins any potential relationship, and its "being 25"
I think the story of the translation basically goes like, some dude joined the original translation team to learn all the tools and whatever they used to make it and eventually went radio silent because the original team was taking a long time to actually implement their translation. At some point the dude found another team, those guys decided to just edit the PS1 version's translation to make it more accurate to later terms and whatever, got permission to use someone else's translation of the new content in the PSP version so that the game would be accessible in English. Apparently a thing in the translation community is that when a group claims a game, basically no one else works on it because it's kinda bad manners or something like that so a gane could end up nowhere for decades because of that. So for someone to basically snipe a translation out of the blue like this is wild.
Between us? I think More people need to snipe translations like that. "Bad manners" be damned. These guys need to wisen up. People are getting sick of this "carrot on a stick" treatment these translation groups give their audience.
if a game is good enough or popular enough, some other team might take up the translation usually long after the first team is done, i guess not to step on anyone's toes. Even Final Fantasy 2 NES has more than one fan translation available.
A Translation Group will also Stop translating a Game if a Previously Untranslated Game gets officially Translated, like for example, the Spanish FanTranslation of the PC Port of Persona 4 Golden was pretty much finished with only the testing being the only thing remaining, then it was announced that Persona 4 would recive an Official Spanish Translation via a Patch, so the Group that was doing the Translation decided to Cancel it
When you look at the actual progress made by that first guy, it's no surprise a different team was not only able to start a translation, but finish it.
Yeah, the original team was never to release anything, someone else needed to step in. Just look at Fate/Extra CCC almost a decade to translate the game and they only said it was 100% translade out of fear that the project may get snipe by another team, just like P2EP.
He literally just went "Fine, I'll do it myself." And honestly, that's pretty based. Personally, I'm sick of translation teams giving out empty promises and never following up on them, and when they actually do. It's been like, 9 years. *cough* Aeon Genesis *cough*
I adore the PSP version of EP to death mainly for the new Tatsuya scenarios we can play through. It does an incredible job in highlighting the struggles he deals with in this new world and pushes him far past most characters in this franchise for me. The game itself has a bittersweet ending but that’s part of the charm to it, it sticks with you.
You mentioned what would the people who played Revelations: Persona would think of P2:EP back in the day? Well I'm not a boomer, but I do remember that Matt from SGB (Super Gaming Brothers, they were a cool let's play channel who unfortunately ended back in 2020) was actually one of those players back in the day) If I remember correctly he got P1 back when he younger and played it a lot, soon after he'd get P2:EP and, despite not getting background stuff from Innocent Sin, mentions how it's his favorite game ever. I just find it interesting since he's the only person I've ever heard how actually played the earlier persona games when they originally came out here in the west, unlike the rest of us who got later through the liking the later persona games and then went work our ways backwards, highly recommend their old playthroughs Also if you're planning on playing P1 again, I highly recommend waiting a bit because I believe the original PS1ver. is getting a translation soon, last I heard they were 90% with the SEBEC questline and were starting on Snow Queen along with that they're also gonna release a beta
Ooh, I didn't know there was a translation for the original PS1 version of P1 in the works. I'll have to keep an eye out for that! I've played the PSP version a few times, and I tried the current English release of the PS1 version, but couldn't quite get into it.
From what I've heard, Playing Eternal Punishment first give it a more mystery/detective vibe to it as you're trying to figure it out with the cast, instead of knowing what happened beforehand
Yaaasss, where the very first, if only, female Persona protagonist made her debut. (I think it was confirmed the FemMC from Persona 3 is technically noncanon? Anyway, Maya deserves more love and attention since she was here first)
Shame I don't like her in EP nearly as much as in IS, since she is mute. It makes not sense to me why they did that, as she already had a characterization, so she doesn't even work as a self-insert.
@@ultrapyrusbrawlerShe still shows her personality though. She still talks, like when she tells Baofu to call Ulala a "CD Woman" knowing it would upset her and cause a scene to distract the media when hunting for Nanjo or Elly
I pretty much agree with most of your opinions on Eternal Punishment. It is definitely the better experience as a game and its cast and story are solid, but I do like the cast of Innocent Sin more, and feel the game can be hurt by just feeling like Innocent Sin again. I am surprised you did not talk about Tatsuya, as I felt that he was one of the strongest parts of its narrative.
Adult casts of characters in JRPGs are a tough sell considering the traditionally shounen target audience of most JRPGs. The only JRPGs with (mostly) adult casts that come to mind for me are Lost Odyssey, Ogre Battle 64, Final Fantasy XII, and some of the older Fire Emblem games (Gaiden, Thracia, and Path of Radiance come to mind). Final Fantasy XII is an especially odd case considering Vann and Pinello (the only teenage characters in the main cast) were shoe-horned into the cast due to corporate meddling from Square Enix.
Maybe it was a tough sell back then, but now there are enough people playing games that there are no excuses not to have turn based RPGs featuring adults, or featuring monsters without any human whatsoever, or featuring whatever, really.
15:30 Wow this man really just described my experience with Persona 4😂. Seriously though, to me even though they are similar, together they fit perfectly imo and every time something seemed familiar like the Aerospace Museum, my first few was "What will happen it Maya remembers", a fear that Tatsuya basically confirms in game. So yeah, separately think they suffer but when put together, make for an intriguing story
The reason why people keep constantly bringing up the whole adult cast thing, in my opinion at least, is because they’re right. Yeah, it’s not gonna magically make the story good, but high school is just so wildly overdone, not only in persona but in Japanese media in general. We’ve had three persona games about a second year transfer student at this point, and I’m just ready for something new. And of course I’m aware that P2EP exists, but classic persona may as well be a different series. I would love a modern style game with social links and life sim stuff with a cast of adults. I know they’re never gonna do it, but let me cope, guys
That's right, high school is so overdone, it is like they just forget about university and young adults struggles. I mean high school isn't for everyone the best time in their lives, for some people it is uni for others their first job, or elementary school lol.
I won't watch the video yet cause I still have to play persona 2 but the quote "When the Punishment is Eternal" on the thumbnail made me laugh so fucking hard bc I though it meant something like "Oh he thinks Eternal Punishment is a classic that will last forever that's cool" Until it hit me. And it hit me hard.
@@gz4wbz You get Tatsuyas Side Story by talking to Igor throughout any playthrough & going chapter by chapter. Don't you gain access through both routes?
i'm not an omega boomer, i started Persona around the time Golden came out, maybe a year later, but it WAS with Revelations: Persona. i fucking hated it because i couldn't figure out where the hospital was. dropped it, went on to Eternal Punishment. for like, two or three years i had NO CLUE that there was another persona 2 game that i missed. i've basically played persona in order outside of playing 2 before i finished 1, but i DID go back to p1, and i've played both PSP and Revelations, and it's a game i enjoy these days(knowing that R2 is the map helped). but yeah, i had NO IDEA that i was missing a chunk of the persona story. i think EP does a fine enough job of making you FEEL Maya's confusion if you play it first. it's great, i think playing EP first is a really unique experience that helps the player relate to Maya more. obviously it isnt the intended way, and i'd never recommend it over IS first, but it's an experience i'm glad to have. if you're going to replay, or PLAY persona 1, wait on Tom's translation patch. it'll be done soonish i imagine.
When they say that Eternal Punishment has a great story what they really mean is the whole Persona 2 story as a whole. Don't get me wrong seperately they are still good, but some fans seem to group it together while ignoring what its work per say
I'm an omegaboomer who played it on PS1, long after it had been released but before the IS fan translation was completed or easily accessible. I was pretty lost initially but picked up on bits of story from online forums where people who played IS talked about the characters from there. I didn't mind so much because I really really connected with the cast in this game, in much the same way you connected with the IS cast.
14:50 Man, am I really an omegaboomer? I was _really_ young back then, but I still remember the discourse on GameFAQs and beyond. The MegaTen community that existed in the west was very small back then, and the games had a very spooky mystique that was slowly unveiled across the 00s as more games were officially released during the PS2 era and several key older games got fan translations. People came into the fandom not understanding anything, but the community as a whole was overall very well aware of what we were missing out on and the early jank of Persona's official releases. It's no wonder at all that P1's localization is one of the first talking points surrounding it even to this day, since it was a big thing even back then. Rather than blissful ignorance, misinformation and exaggerated rumors were a much bigger problem. I actually didn't play Revelations: Persona when I was getting into MegaTen, but I _did_ play EP and IS out of order, technically. I played EP first, hit a roadblock because that game was brutal, actually finished IS on emulator when it got translated a few years later, and then went back to restart and finish EP. When I first played EP, it didn't feel like I was missing context, but more like everything that happened in IS was just the background info of EP's narrative. I'm not sure I actually understood the significance of who "Nate" and "Elly" were until some point in my second playthrough, when I was looking into stuff online more. Even back then, IS was considered way easier than EP, but one thing of note is that on the PS1 version of IS, the final boss certainly felt like an enormous spike in difficulty compared to the rest of the game. It was more like an EP fight than an IS fight, doing huge damage and demanding you actually play carefully and tactically. The irony of this is that EP's final boss was generally considered a pushover by comparison. Playing P2 back then was quite a journey, and it felt special to me at the time because it was a big unknown. It felt like delving into something obscure and mysterious that was epic and not entirely well-understood. It really seemed like this was the bedrock of P3, which I played around the same time (it was exciting to hear about THE GIGACHAD EIKICHI making it big in P3). Nyarlathotep, who won in IS and was deeply malicious and cunning in ways the antagonists of P3 and P4 simply weren't, definitely came off as the true ultimate villain of the entire Persona series. It always felt like he'd come back at some point during a big crossover, and P4 Arena seemed to be that time. A lot of people thought a more emphasized Persona series continuity would suddenly be a real thing, only for that to... not pan out at all. I can definitely see why people hold P2 above the later Persona games in that sense. P2 _felt_ big and important and unknown compared to P3 and especially P4. It was the DEEP LORE. It's just as understandable why it feels nowadays like it's just a weird old game in a series that's moved on. Looking at it in a vacuum with the advances in game design that came later, it's not as instantly exciting as it was when it was made on an immediately preceding console generation. In the 00s, SMT felt fresh and obscure with deeper and darker themes born of its heavy use of religion, psychology, and apocalypses. At this point, Persona is very mainstream and MegaTen as a whole is a lot more familiar, so we're aware of how goofy and stilted it can sometimes get.
I can't wait to be done with uni so I can no life these two games. I had them on the backburner for like 7 or 8 years. I thought I was doing something wrong when I first played innocent sin because I kept using the starting personas for what felt a lot longer than it should have.
It was a great idea to make Maya as the protagonist, but she suffers from being a silent protagonist. (That suits brooding Tatsuya, but not cheerful and talkative Maya.)
Omega BOOMERS!? How DARE you young man. Proud overlooked Gen-Xer here and I vividly recall playing the PS1 translation back in the day after Revelations P1 and being soooo confused but enjoying the edgy yet goofy ride, regardless. And oddly enough, Ulala was a prime waifu to me back then. Not entirely sure why. *shrugs*
I 100% believe that if we had social links in P2 they would have remade them already. Atilus probably doesn't think the game can stand out from other JRPGs without the life sim element. It's a shame, but I really don't think they could get away with adding social links without fundamentally changing the type of game P2 is.
I would say that's my main complaint of the PSP version of Innocent Sin, and EP streamlined it pretty well. It takes some getting used to but it becomes pretty intuitive once you get used to it
I really wanted to like this game. Played around 10 hours of it, but I just couldn’t stand the gameplay. I really enjoyed the story and characters though.
I actually heard more people say P2IS to have better story. Like a lot of people say "P2IS gameplay mid and story peak, P2EP is vice versa", and having played it, I don't think P2EP story is mid, I'm actually unsure if I like P2IS or EP story more yet
Yes I still do believe that we do need some more adult protagonists in the series but I do agree that it has to be written well so that way we could have adult protagonists that are good and/or believable. It is pretty much sad when you realize that out of all the games at least in terms of some of the spin offs at the top of my head that have adult protagonists is soul hackers 2 and Persona 2 Eternal Punishment. It is a heavy pipe dream at this point considering that we're gonna be getting teenagers for the rest of our lives since Japan really likes going back to their gory days, but at least rerelease both Persona 2's, not just Persona 2 Eternal Punishment PS1 and Persona 2 Innocent Sin PSP. And I know I know Altus just loves to pretend that persona 1 and 2 don't exist or that they won't sell as well as 3 4 and cough 5 cough, but all I am saying is just take a risk. Great revew overall!
EP is really disappointing to me, if only because it isn't nearly as wacky as Innocent Sin. That game is one of my favorite JRPGs of all time, carried largely by its batshit insane plot and great cast. EP's cast is on par... but man, it just doesn't have that special spark of madness from IS.
I think that’s part of the point? They’re adults and the situation they’re facing is different with the new world order than with the masked circle. The masked circle while threatening had a comical aura around them because of how bizarre everything was, EP takes itself a lot more seriously because it can afford to it also has that Y2K/Early 2000s vibe going on which adds to its atmosphere being different than IS which I like. Any more similarities and it might as well have been DLC (or whatever the equivalent for that was in the old days)
I'm here to see if is worth it to finish the first game to play the second but I'm not sure... The first game is SOOOOOO ANNOYING bro, it is battle every 5 seconds and the battle is BOOOOOOORING, and you have to go in these places everytime to get a little bit of lore, bro....................................... I really like the plot, the characters, the design (I think that these 2 games looks beautiful) but maaaaan.... It is sooo booring to pass through......
@@implord4197 story is great and Maya is a much better character in it(she's by far my favorite character in the series in IS) ,but the gameplay... I think it's more painful then smt 1,major thing dragging it down for me
@@junpei6180 "More painful than SMT1" Aaaaaaand that's one hell of a way to invalidate your opinion. What a shame, and here I was, thinking you had anything worth saying.
On the topic of persona 2 having an adult cast: its really funny how Ulala struggles with a lack of love life because she has a cursed trait that she cannot escape from that ruins any potential relationship, and its "being 25"
Fither is now a grade A certified Shadow Wizard Money Gang member
Me reading this as someone who’s only halfway through IS🥲
"We love casting spells"
We love casting Fusion Spells
SWAG MESSIAH
I think the story of the translation basically goes like, some dude joined the original translation team to learn all the tools and whatever they used to make it and eventually went radio silent because the original team was taking a long time to actually implement their translation.
At some point the dude found another team, those guys decided to just edit the PS1 version's translation to make it more accurate to later terms and whatever, got permission to use someone else's translation of the new content in the PSP version so that the game would be accessible in English.
Apparently a thing in the translation community is that when a group claims a game, basically no one else works on it because it's kinda bad manners or something like that so a gane could end up nowhere for decades because of that. So for someone to basically snipe a translation out of the blue like this is wild.
Between us? I think More people need to snipe translations like that. "Bad manners" be damned.
These guys need to wisen up. People are getting sick of this "carrot on a stick" treatment these translation groups give their audience.
Well then they shouldn't have taken over 8 years to translate.
@@implord4197
100%, Screw "good manners" if it ends up making a huge hiatus. Im just glad the translation is here
if a game is good enough or popular enough, some other team might take up the translation usually long after the first team is done, i guess not to step on anyone's toes. Even Final Fantasy 2 NES has more than one fan translation available.
A Translation Group will also Stop translating a Game if a Previously Untranslated Game gets officially Translated, like for example, the Spanish FanTranslation of the PC Port of Persona 4 Golden was pretty much finished with only the testing being the only thing remaining, then it was announced that Persona 4 would recive an Official Spanish Translation via a Patch, so the Group that was doing the Translation decided to Cancel it
When you look at the actual progress made by that first guy, it's no surprise a different team was not only able to start a translation, but finish it.
People have Stockholm syndrome for the old group lol I've read the comments on the guy's blog consoling him
Yeah, the original team was never to release anything, someone else needed to step in. Just look at Fate/Extra CCC almost a decade to translate the game and they only said it was 100% translade out of fear that the project may get snipe by another team, just like P2EP.
He literally just went "Fine, I'll do it myself." And honestly, that's pretty based.
Personally, I'm sick of translation teams giving out empty promises and never following up on them, and when they actually do. It's been like, 9 years.
*cough* Aeon Genesis *cough*
I adore the PSP version of EP to death mainly for the new Tatsuya scenarios we can play through. It does an incredible job in highlighting the struggles he deals with in this new world and pushes him far past most characters in this franchise for me. The game itself has a bittersweet ending but that’s part of the charm to it, it sticks with you.
Tatsuya scenario?
Which you can only get by picking Nanjo
DO IT AGAIN
You mentioned what would the people who played Revelations: Persona would think of P2:EP back in the day? Well I'm not a boomer, but I do remember that Matt from SGB (Super Gaming Brothers, they were a cool let's play channel who unfortunately ended back in 2020) was actually one of those players back in the day)
If I remember correctly he got P1 back when he younger and played it a lot, soon after he'd get P2:EP and, despite not getting background stuff from Innocent Sin, mentions how it's his favorite game ever. I just find it interesting since he's the only person I've ever heard how actually played the earlier persona games when they originally came out here in the west, unlike the rest of us who got later through the liking the later persona games and then went work our ways backwards, highly recommend their old playthroughs
Also if you're planning on playing P1 again, I highly recommend waiting a bit because I believe the original PS1ver. is getting a translation soon, last I heard they were 90% with the SEBEC questline and were starting on Snow Queen along with that they're also gonna release a beta
Ooh, I didn't know there was a translation for the original PS1 version of P1 in the works. I'll have to keep an eye out for that! I've played the PSP version a few times, and I tried the current English release of the PS1 version, but couldn't quite get into it.
From what I've heard, Playing Eternal Punishment first give it a more mystery/detective vibe to it as you're trying to figure it out with the cast, instead of knowing what happened beforehand
Yaaasss, where the very first, if only, female Persona protagonist made her debut. (I think it was confirmed the FemMC from Persona 3 is technically noncanon? Anyway, Maya deserves more love and attention since she was here first)
Shame I don't like her in EP nearly as much as in IS, since she is mute. It makes not sense to me why they did that, as she already had a characterization, so she doesn't even work as a self-insert.
@@ultrapyrusbrawlerShe still shows her personality though. She still talks, like when she tells Baofu to call Ulala a "CD Woman" knowing it would upset her and cause a scene to distract the media when hunting for Nanjo or Elly
@@connorharnage6697 True, but I feel her presence is much more diminished still.
@@ultrapyrusbrawler Fair but personally, I still think she's the better between our two FeMCs
FeMC is technically canon, just different universe
(I think it's because of Persona Q2?)
I pretty much agree with most of your opinions on Eternal Punishment. It is definitely the better experience as a game and its cast and story are solid, but I do like the cast of Innocent Sin more, and feel the game can be hurt by just feeling like Innocent Sin again. I am surprised you did not talk about Tatsuya, as I felt that he was one of the strongest parts of its narrative.
Adult casts of characters in JRPGs are a tough sell considering the traditionally shounen target audience of most JRPGs. The only JRPGs with (mostly) adult casts that come to mind for me are Lost Odyssey, Ogre Battle 64, Final Fantasy XII, and some of the older Fire Emblem games (Gaiden, Thracia, and Path of Radiance come to mind). Final Fantasy XII is an especially odd case considering Vann and Pinello (the only teenage characters in the main cast) were shoe-horned into the cast due to corporate meddling from Square Enix.
Maybe it was a tough sell back then, but now there are enough people playing games that there are no excuses not to have turn based RPGs featuring adults, or featuring monsters without any human whatsoever, or featuring whatever, really.
Peak Persona being covered on this channel? Let's gooo
15:30 Wow this man really just described my experience with Persona 4😂. Seriously though, to me even though they are similar, together they fit perfectly imo and every time something seemed familiar like the Aerospace Museum, my first few was "What will happen it Maya remembers", a fear that Tatsuya basically confirms in game. So yeah, separately think they suffer but when put together, make for an intriguing story
Eternal Punishment’s ending is the second best in the series imo. Tatsuya’s sacrifice is memorable moment
Which ending was da BEST iyo? Persona 3?!?
The reason why people keep constantly bringing up the whole adult cast thing, in my opinion at least, is because they’re right. Yeah, it’s not gonna magically make the story good, but high school is just so wildly overdone, not only in persona but in Japanese media in general. We’ve had three persona games about a second year transfer student at this point, and I’m just ready for something new. And of course I’m aware that P2EP exists, but classic persona may as well be a different series. I would love a modern style game with social links and life sim stuff with a cast of adults. I know they’re never gonna do it, but let me cope, guys
That's right, high school is so overdone, it is like they just forget about university and young adults struggles. I mean high school isn't for everyone the best time in their lives, for some people it is uni for others their first job, or elementary school lol.
@@vivianlopez5202they do it because most players and the target audience are high schoolers lol
Rumor has it Persona 6 will be in high school so keep coping
@@danielwoods3896 Exactly. Persona fans just don't get it. In Japan high school IS the best time of your life.
I won't watch the video yet cause I still have to play persona 2 but the quote "When the Punishment is Eternal" on the thumbnail made me laugh so fucking hard bc I though it meant something like "Oh he thinks Eternal Punishment is a classic that will last forever that's cool"
Until it hit me.
And it hit me hard.
Surprised you didn't mention anything about the Tatsuya side story. That might have been my favorite part story wise.
I mean he did play Elly's route, so he probably didn't get to finish it
@@gz4wbz You get Tatsuyas Side Story by talking to Igor throughout any playthrough & going chapter by chapter. Don't you gain access through both routes?
@@SeelkadoomandJokic00 You can get access to Lone Shadow through any route, but Lone Shadow 2 and Gone Without a Trace are exclusive to Nanjo's route
Katsuya is that one character where I realized I might be sort of gay. He's just so sweet and such a himbo
Even though he's allergic to cats he still loves them wortheartly :")
That's adorable.
Well he can’t be Gay he has feelings for Maya canonically, but he can be Bi just like his little brother either way it’s adorable 🥺
i'm not an omega boomer, i started Persona around the time Golden came out, maybe a year later, but it WAS with Revelations: Persona. i fucking hated it because i couldn't figure out where the hospital was. dropped it, went on to Eternal Punishment. for like, two or three years i had NO CLUE that there was another persona 2 game that i missed. i've basically played persona in order outside of playing 2 before i finished 1, but i DID go back to p1, and i've played both PSP and Revelations, and it's a game i enjoy these days(knowing that R2 is the map helped).
but yeah, i had NO IDEA that i was missing a chunk of the persona story. i think EP does a fine enough job of making you FEEL Maya's confusion if you play it first. it's great, i think playing EP first is a really unique experience that helps the player relate to Maya more. obviously it isnt the intended way, and i'd never recommend it over IS first, but it's an experience i'm glad to have.
if you're going to replay, or PLAY persona 1, wait on Tom's translation patch. it'll be done soonish i imagine.
people need to be pointed to eternal punishment everytime they ask for a persona game with an adult cast.
When they say that Eternal Punishment has a great story what they really mean is the whole Persona 2 story as a whole. Don't get me wrong seperately they are still good, but some fans seem to group it together while ignoring what its work per say
This is definitely me when the sin is innocent.
Persona 2: EP does work well on it's own if you play it without knowing about IS. However it is so rewarding if you played IS first.
Are you ever thinking about playing SMT if? I think it’s cool that it’s connected to Persona and basically gave us what we have with the series today.
Persona 2 ep is especially my favorite game in persona series and good to see p1 cast grow up especially reiji.
my favorite persona
I'm an omegaboomer who played it on PS1, long after it had been released but before the IS fan translation was completed or easily accessible.
I was pretty lost initially but picked up on bits of story from online forums where people who played IS talked about the characters from there.
I didn't mind so much because I really really connected with the cast in this game, in much the same way you connected with the IS cast.
I really need to get to the persona 2 games one day
They are fun!
@@mouse2859"FUN" 💀
14:50 Man, am I really an omegaboomer? I was _really_ young back then, but I still remember the discourse on GameFAQs and beyond. The MegaTen community that existed in the west was very small back then, and the games had a very spooky mystique that was slowly unveiled across the 00s as more games were officially released during the PS2 era and several key older games got fan translations.
People came into the fandom not understanding anything, but the community as a whole was overall very well aware of what we were missing out on and the early jank of Persona's official releases. It's no wonder at all that P1's localization is one of the first talking points surrounding it even to this day, since it was a big thing even back then. Rather than blissful ignorance, misinformation and exaggerated rumors were a much bigger problem.
I actually didn't play Revelations: Persona when I was getting into MegaTen, but I _did_ play EP and IS out of order, technically. I played EP first, hit a roadblock because that game was brutal, actually finished IS on emulator when it got translated a few years later, and then went back to restart and finish EP. When I first played EP, it didn't feel like I was missing context, but more like everything that happened in IS was just the background info of EP's narrative. I'm not sure I actually understood the significance of who "Nate" and "Elly" were until some point in my second playthrough, when I was looking into stuff online more.
Even back then, IS was considered way easier than EP, but one thing of note is that on the PS1 version of IS, the final boss certainly felt like an enormous spike in difficulty compared to the rest of the game. It was more like an EP fight than an IS fight, doing huge damage and demanding you actually play carefully and tactically. The irony of this is that EP's final boss was generally considered a pushover by comparison.
Playing P2 back then was quite a journey, and it felt special to me at the time because it was a big unknown. It felt like delving into something obscure and mysterious that was epic and not entirely well-understood. It really seemed like this was the bedrock of P3, which I played around the same time (it was exciting to hear about THE GIGACHAD EIKICHI making it big in P3). Nyarlathotep, who won in IS and was deeply malicious and cunning in ways the antagonists of P3 and P4 simply weren't, definitely came off as the true ultimate villain of the entire Persona series. It always felt like he'd come back at some point during a big crossover, and P4 Arena seemed to be that time. A lot of people thought a more emphasized Persona series continuity would suddenly be a real thing, only for that to... not pan out at all.
I can definitely see why people hold P2 above the later Persona games in that sense. P2 _felt_ big and important and unknown compared to P3 and especially P4. It was the DEEP LORE. It's just as understandable why it feels nowadays like it's just a weird old game in a series that's moved on. Looking at it in a vacuum with the advances in game design that came later, it's not as instantly exciting as it was when it was made on an immediately preceding console generation. In the 00s, SMT felt fresh and obscure with deeper and darker themes born of its heavy use of religion, psychology, and apocalypses. At this point, Persona is very mainstream and MegaTen as a whole is a lot more familiar, so we're aware of how goofy and stilted it can sometimes get.
Innocent Sin Online discussion when??
Red the title on thought of person 2 remastered lol I wish
I can't wait to be done with uni so I can no life these two games. I had them on the backburner for like 7 or 8 years. I thought I was doing something wrong when I first played innocent sin because I kept using the starting personas for what felt a lot longer than it should have.
It was a great idea to make Maya as the protagonist, but she suffers from being a silent protagonist. (That suits brooding Tatsuya, but not cheerful and talkative Maya.)
I love that they bring back old characters and give them new purposes, instead of creating 200 new pointless characters.
What the fuck the timing is crazy, I finished this game tonight and open youtube and see this
Katsuya is such a lovable dork, it's amazing.
Me when the Personal 2 Punishment is Eternal (idk, I haven’t finished the game yet)
What did you think about Kandori coming back?
What ever happened to your Thoughts on Persona 1 video?
Omega BOOMERS!? How DARE you young man. Proud overlooked Gen-Xer here and I vividly recall playing the PS1 translation back in the day after Revelations P1 and being soooo confused but enjoying the edgy yet goofy ride, regardless. And oddly enough, Ulala was a prime waifu to me back then. Not entirely sure why. *shrugs*
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WE LOVE CASTING SPELLS
I 100% believe that if we had social links in P2 they would have remade them already. Atilus probably doesn't think the game can stand out from other JRPGs without the life sim element.
It's a shame, but I really don't think they could get away with adding social links without fundamentally changing the type of game P2 is.
If you've never heard, GILL Studio on UA-cam has some amazing covers of music from P2, as well as most Persona and SMT games. Check him out.
I loved p2ep. It was an amazing experience until I reached the TV station dungeon, dropped the game there, might give it another chance.
Im so proud
Only thing I didnt like from EP was the battle system, it had way too many menus, felt really slow to play
I would say that's my main complaint of the PSP version of Innocent Sin, and EP streamlined it pretty well.
It takes some getting used to but it becomes pretty intuitive once you get used to it
Persona number one fan plays Persona for the first time
thug shake
why the hell didnt atlus just translate eternal punishment psp
I LOVE PERSONA 2 INNOCENT SIN AND ETERNAL PUNISHMENT
Fucken Baofu is awesome. I loved flinging coins
Eternal Punishment was my first introduction to Persona. I got it brand new from the video rental store and never took it back. I wish I still had it.
Glad you finally decided to play the ultimate banger (plot-wise).
17:36 wtf his name is just creepy man? 😂
Peak of the franchise
P2 remake next
I really wanted to like this game. Played around 10 hours of it, but I just couldn’t stand the gameplay. I really enjoyed the story and characters though.
Now play If...
I still think the best persona cast would be 2 adults, 2 teenagers, 2 kids and a pet.
appeals to all potential players even kids if they some how get their hands on it or watch via yt
Persona 5 Strikers
That’s almost p3
Lets gooo
I actually heard more people say P2IS to have better story. Like a lot of people say "P2IS gameplay mid and story peak, P2EP is vice versa", and having played it, I don't think P2EP story is mid, I'm actually unsure if I like P2IS or EP story more yet
Tatsuya is the best character in the whole series
Yes I still do believe that we do need some more adult protagonists in the series but I do agree that it has to be written well so that way we could have adult protagonists that are good and/or believable. It is pretty much sad when you realize that out of all the games at least in terms of some of the spin offs at the top of my head that have adult protagonists is soul hackers 2 and Persona 2 Eternal Punishment. It is a heavy pipe dream at this point considering that we're gonna be getting teenagers for the rest of our lives since Japan really likes going back to their gory days, but at least rerelease both Persona 2's, not just Persona 2 Eternal Punishment PS1 and Persona 2 Innocent Sin PSP. And I know I know Altus just loves to pretend that persona 1 and 2 don't exist or that they won't sell as well as 3 4 and cough 5 cough, but all I am saying is just take a risk. Great revew overall!
EP is really disappointing to me, if only because it isn't nearly as wacky as Innocent Sin. That game is one of my favorite JRPGs of all time, carried largely by its batshit insane plot and great cast.
EP's cast is on par... but man, it just doesn't have that special spark of madness from IS.
The nazis WERE pretty batshit.
I think that’s part of the point? They’re adults and the situation they’re facing is different with the new world order than with the masked circle. The masked circle while threatening had a comical aura around them because of how bizarre everything was, EP takes itself a lot more seriously because it can afford to it also has that Y2K/Early 2000s vibe going on which adds to its atmosphere being different than IS which I like. Any more similarities and it might as well have been DLC (or whatever the equivalent for that was in the old days)
I'm here to see if is worth it to finish the first game to play the second but I'm not sure...
The first game is SOOOOOO ANNOYING bro, it is battle every 5 seconds and the battle is BOOOOOOORING, and you have to go in these places everytime to get a little bit of lore, bro.......................................
I really like the plot, the characters, the design (I think that these 2 games looks beautiful) but maaaaan.... It is sooo booring to pass through......
Impossible, you didn't beat it
You finally played the only truly good persona game congrats
gatekeeping much
Edgier than p3
Hoy, what are you saying? Innocent Sin is right there.
@@implord4197 story is great and Maya is a much better character in it(she's by far my favorite character in the series in IS) ,but the gameplay...
I think it's more painful then smt 1,major thing dragging it down for me
@@junpei6180 "More painful than SMT1" Aaaaaaand that's one hell of a way to invalidate your opinion.
What a shame, and here I was, thinking you had anything worth saying.