Yet, I murdered Astarion in my sleep and both Shart and Minthara are like, you're a rabid dog that has to be put down. Even my hireling attacked me, so had to put them down.
I want to do an evil playthrough but I just can't bring myself to keep her indoctrinated. It's always such a relief to break her out of Shar's brainwashing.
There's even a more evil route. Convince Shadowheart not to proceed, then in act 3, you betray her and surrender her to Viconia in exchange of their support in the final fight, you also betray the Nightsong and surrender her to Lorrakan in exchange of his support in the final fight. They both get screwed and you gain two powerful allies.
It's funny how to murder Druids and Tieflings in Act 1 costs you 3 to 4 companions, but when Shadowheart does something equally as evil the same companions are all just like "well, that's pretty evil but what ever"
Empowering Shar is basically the most evil thing you can do in-setting. Besides, last light inn is, if you did not slaughter them in the druid grove, full of the same innocents and children.
@erikburzinski8248 I disagree. I love him as a character, but his ascended self is the worst version of him to me. By ascending, he loses his charm and becomes that which he complained about in the beginning.
@@Queenie97 he complains about the gods doing nothing when it is within there power as for gale he does not have the ablity to act because hes the god of ambition. For example he cant save karlach because her ambition is to live and saving her would remove that ambition. He can however deal with the devil because his ambition is to get the crown and to deal with him he gave him the possablity of acheveing his ambition.
@erikburzinski8248 I understand, but it just makes Gale into a massive enabler. I get it. It makes sense that he becomes the God of ambition due to his own lofty ones, but imo it depletes his character instead of strengthening him.
I heard once that Shadoeheart won't kill the Night Song if you allow her to make the choice herself... What the guy I heard it from failed to specify is that you have to have a big enough friendship score... I did learn it the hard way
i was "dating" or whatever shadowhaeart. and i allowed her to make her own choice (MAX) relationship level and that changed nothing. she fought me in the end, and died. so i reloaded and made her back the fuck down. at least that play through.. trying to do an evil playthrough as the DURGE but man its difficult from these choices, ya its a game. but still...
I hate when I try to pretend that I'm giving them a free will to do what the heart tells them to do... But then they do something I actually didn't want them to do and I need to reload.
I think you need to make Shadow Heart read the books talking about night song, and be a good guy along the game, I let her do what she wants and she saved Nightsong, I was proud :)@@Kraxt0n
Shadowheart is such a hypocrite. If DU kills isobelle for Bhaal, it's all "HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?! THINK OF ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE YOU MURDERED!". If Shart does it, it's a-okay because Shar says so.
@@westenevShadowheart is a religious fundamentalist so things done for Shar are good, things for done for other deities are bad. Just like real life fundamentalists who think their religion is betterer than other religions, even when the religions are similar to their own.
*When the Durge kills Isobel and everyone in Last Light* Shadowheart: OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DID THIS YOU MONSTER! ALL THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE OF YOU! *When Shadowheart kills Nightsong and condemns everyone in Last Light to death* Shadowheart: UwU Opsies, anyway, Lady Shar is happy and I got a haircut
Shartage.. Shatague.. Sharty.. Shart the bed.. New dialog: " hi I'm sharty, my favorite color is black, my favorite hobbies include murder of helpless enemies.. don't you like my new hairdo ? "
@@namamora1190 she did. She gave to her daughter the gift of immortality and the strength she needed to resist the torture and she sent Isobel which gave her even more strength then ever. And she sent a Shar's follower who was actually a selunite. Remember that most of Shadowheart's powers are based on light magic. If you kill Dame Aylin Isobel's shield will fade away for Selune will be affected by her daughter's death, meaning she loved her child.
@marian1000brb not to mention Selune can only do so much since God's have a limit of what they can do. Plus Aylin was literally in Shar's house, not like she could just beat down the door to save her where Shar is at her strongest.
Wow all the candles going out at Last Light, the strings, and the knocking was genuinely unnerving. Not to be all "the cinnamon topography!" but this game is so beautifully directed and presented it still manages to amaze me.
Oh my Dark Urge playthrough, I made everyone as evil and horrible as my Tav. I had to take breaks, to decompress. As it stands only a Dark Justiciar Shadowheart, Ascended Astarion, Minthara and Wyll are around. But I made Wyll kill Karlach (I then stole his rewarded Robe for my Dark Urge Warlock) and abandoned his Father. Then I slept with his Patron. I still don't know why Wyll is still around, I made his life a living hell.
You can convince Wyll to become archduke on top of extending his deal with the devil and killing Ansur, who was the de facto protector of Baldur's Gate, that's a full evil Wyll playthrough.
@@MARUSHI-YT toggle the passive Non-lethal Attack before the final hit (meelee or bow attack, not spell) on Minthara, and she will just be unconscious and will be possible to be saved in Act 2
Thank you for sharing this bc I’ll never experience this in any of my walkthroughs. Even watching this was difficult for me,lol. I had to stop at Isobel part…I’m hopeless☹️
Thank you for watching! and I know it was super hard to watch, someone else in the coments said the Last Light Inn cutscene is like a horror movie, and I agree
I rolled a good persuasion and got her to not kill the Nightsong because Shar sounded shady to me. Plus the Nightsong turns out to be a divine being that wants to kill Ketheric so, and is girlfriends with Isobel. I’m happy with my choice.
To be fair, the whole shadow-cursed section is one big horror movie. Personally, I find episode with Chop even more disturbing (final area beneath Moonrise towers).
I've got this cute scene before and I didn't even know this could happen. And it's way more terrifying also this counts as killing isobell if you're doing dark urge
I cant make her DJ to be honest, so thank you for showing what could happen in different circumstances! As much as i try to give free will to companions, i dont think its "right" for Shadowheart to be Shar's follower. Her fate was taken from her and she was literally brainwashed. I dont think she should be a selunite either. Gods are jerks tbh
Thank you for watching! I usually let her decide what she does, but she has never chosen to kill Nightsong on her own, and I just wanted to see dark Shdaowheart. I do agree with you about it not feeling right for her to be Shar's follower though
@beansandbaldursgate Yeah. I mean, it would be different if she chose to be a follower herself, but I feel like it's not right when someone doesn't see the full picture before choosing. Also, I've seen that she can choose to kill Nightsong herself if you don't get her "flashback" scene
First time through I was too pissed at Shadowheart to let her back out of her mission. I got turned around and lost a few times trying to find the orbs. Fought Yurgir the hard way since I didn't know you could convince him to defeat himself. Swapped my rogue gear with her so she could do the stealth trial herself. I think she had too heavy proficiency items for me wear her stuff while I waited. I was forgoing clothes anyway and I forgot I put my panties in Astarion's inventory as a goof. So I was just standing there awkwardly holding her stuff butt naked in the middle of a freezing temple. She still gave me attitude the whole way through despite having high approval. So yeah, Last light was wiped off the map because my patience was none existent then. I didn't know that would happen but I went with it and played evil the rest of the way. Worked out pretty well since I was Durge anyway. I got to be the Slayer and everyone was mad at Shadowheart instead of me.
Evil or not, but letting "Nightsong" go is not all that sweet and cosy as some claim it to be. This being - very powerful, mind you - is clearly mentally unstable. The way she kills both general and that pompous wizard is an obvious sign of that. Some may argue that Isobel will be able to fix her, eventually, but the risks are still rather high. I wonder what would trully neutral character do. Still, liberating SH from Shar's indocrination is a right thing to do.
I don't think the point of the game is to be neutral; this is a fantasy world where being nice to everyone does not pay off, it gets you killed. It's to show you all the ways we are complex beings and can change for good from bad and other way around. The game does not judge, it is up to the player and no amount of youtube comments will change this.
Saw this cutscene one time because I was doing the classic Selune-cleric-Shadowheart-romance and I made the mistake of choosing a Selunite dialogue option when trying to persuade her not to kill Aylin. Reloaded immediately after.
im thinking of doing an evil Aasimar playthrough after i finish my good run and I was wondering what killing the Nightsong would end up doing The part i'm dreading tho is killing Scratch
It is so frustrating that you cannot save Shadowheart and Laezel from their own cultishness. Both revel at being the worst versions of themselves. They turn seriously depressed when you dampen their moxy.
I dunno turning shadow heart away from shar and saving her parents helps her mood and revealing Vlaakith is lying and we free Orpheus gives Lae'zel new purpose in life. So it's possible for them to be happy.
@@rockowlgamer631 I can see Shadowheart seeing brighter days, but Lae’zel lazily replaces one tyrant for another, unless you squidify the object of her obsession.
@@mateiduma646 That undying loyalty is the path to their destruction. It’s no wonder the queen was able to usurp the Chosen One - no one dares question their own nonsensical fealty.
Very interesting, I just did this as Shadowheart Origin (in my opinion, without her beliefs challenged by a custom Tav, Shadowheart is too entrenched in Shar's cult to fight her way out herself - the other companions never really bring it up or try to talk sense into you), and the companions did not express these opinions to me as the main character. I really expected Karlach, Wyll, and Halsin to have something to say about it, but nothing. I guess they didn't want you to feel too badly about your choice if you're not just a companion?
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's definitely intriguing how different choices and character backgrounds can lead to varied interactions in the game. I agree, playing as Shadowheart Origin adds a unique perspective, and it would have been interesting to see more of the companions challenging her beliefs. It seems like the game developers wanted to give players freedom in their role-playing without too much pressure from the companions. Did you find that the companions' silence felt particularly impactful or just missed opportunities for deeper dialogue?
@beansandvibes it felt like missed opportunity. The only companion who said anything about my Shar worship was Astarion, when Shadowhearr first told him. And all he said was he didn't care. And once you decide to tell anyone the whole camp knows (which I disagreed with - she shared a secret with her romantic partner, not intending it to be common knowledge, but in hindsight perhaps that was too much intricacy to hope for). But after that, nothing. And barely even any Disapproval when I would choose [CLERIC OF SHAR] or [EVIL CLERIC] dialogue options. My standing with them was quite high by that time. So I interpreted that as Shadowheart believing they would support her decision to fulfill her destiny. But then even afterwards, they just keep trucking along. I think only one of them even Disapproved of the act of using the Spear of Night (and it wasn't a big drop). So, yeah, it really felt like the companions had no challenge to her devotion to Shar as an Origin Story run.
@@Atitanshifterr I believe so, I think those two quests are the ones that determines what happens to the shadow cursed lands, so if you complete Halsin's first and get the quest "kill Ketheric Thorm," that's when you should go to finish Shadowhearts quest! edit: typo
@@beansandvibesYou can actually do Halsin's quest any time during act 2. On my first play-through I did it after defeating Ketheric and after recruiting Jaheira and literally did his whole quest with both Jaheira and Shar's Chosen in my party.
One more reason not to kill her Nightsong: dies Shar: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Are you done monologuing yet or should I tuck in with a bucket of popcorn?
Okay can someone explain to me WHY Isobel's magic fails if the nightsong dies? Is it because she secretly gets her power from Aylin and not Selune and she doesn't know? Is Selune just pissed? I just-there's something in my brain that does not understand why her magic fails and everyone has to die if the nightsong dies.
if DJ shart's hair style is closer to shar's image why does she still change it to that style when you dont kill the nightsong...? i get she also dyes it as well but its still the same style
she mentions she herself wanted to change it, but also said its for Shar. she just feels the need to explain everything she does is for the will of Shar. Typically zealot behavior.
my relationship with Shadowheart is always high, and she usually decides not to kill Nightsong, but since I had never seen it, my curiousity just got to me :o this choice is def fit for an evil run
@@beansandvibes I wouldn't say I was gonna do an evil run. I am gonna answer with the first thing that pops into my mind. Which coincidentally aligns with a more evil run. But I would say more sarcastic and witty than evil lol
hey sorry for replying late :( I was trying to figure out what amour this is but I can't remember and I've already deleted my save (playing honor mode) but I remember that the dye I used on the amour was light blue. if I find it in the future, I will let you know what it is!
Jaheira is at the Last Night Inn when it falls so she falls too unless you can save her. I'm not sure you can by the time I got there everyone was dead and I went right after. If you don't fix Karlach before it falls you won't be able to. Everyone at the Inn dies. I got mad at Shadowheart and she basically said I didn't try hard enough to stop her. I so wanted the option to kick her out but you can't. I did the persuasion options and failed them so she killed Nightsong. Wanted to see what happens. Not doing that again unless I want to do an evil play through.
Not this specific way but if you let Last Light Fall before going to Shadowfell, you can recruit Jaheira to your camp after the fall and then she will join your party after Ketheric is defeated.
all the companion cutscenes lol 😂 I tried to get everyone's reaction since it was something so huge. Shart did a genocide and then was like, how's my hair looking? like, girl 😐
So basically what i've learned is that we became the leader EVEN AS DURGE because these people can't make good decisions for themselves without momma tav nearby, does ANY of them even make it to act 2 alive? 🤦♂️ Gale dies first, lae'zel ironically being the strongest fighter on the team has so many opportunities to die in act 1, Wyll probably dies cause theres no way hes killing Karlach, Astarion dies and becomes a zombie i've gone on long enough, point being is "You need a Guardian" is what they all heard and it was true 😂
Shar is antithetical to everything Lae'Zel stands for, particularly if she sees through Vlaakith's deception. Shar is an ultra-evil dishonest goddess that wants to destroy all life, consuming even her followers on a regular basis.
I wish you could turn halsin evil, so you don't lose him, when you play evil from the start. Like turn him into a shadow druid. I would love to play an evil playthrough but I hate losing characters
It would totally make sense in Act 3 when you bring him to Baldur's Gate. He gets really angry at all the injustice and hates the city.... it would be an interesting choice for him to become jaded toward humanity and essentially become what Kagha was.
Agreed. Theres a lot more variety in good companions than evil. Just like you can redeem the evil ones, it would be cool to be able to corrupt the good ones
That moment is foreSHADOWing (heh) something in Act III. You'll find out more about that person after gaining full access to the House of Grief in Baldur's Gate (that should be enough to look up the answer easily if you want to but without directly spoiling it here)
Szczerze to spodziewałam się zupełnie innych questów. Jestem zaskoczona takim wyborem, ja podzielam zdanie jedynie condo wyścigow konnych, ale to tylko dlatego, ze ogólnie nie lubię wyścigów jako takich.
"I killed Nightsong, everyone at Last Light Inn, and hundreds more. How does my hair look?"
also "not a dagger, A SPEAR"
*Shart* lol
I can’t notice a difference tbh - it’s not like the change from Sharran to Selunite, you’d need to be blind to miss that!
Yet, I murdered Astarion in my sleep and both Shart and Minthara are like, you're a rabid dog that has to be put down. Even my hireling attacked me, so had to put them down.
@@KatyWhitekavkj she does not become a selunite just because she is no longer sharran. she even says so herself. idk why this fandom keep claiming so
I want to do an evil playthrough but I just can't bring myself to keep her indoctrinated. It's always such a relief to break her out of Shar's brainwashing.
I cannot stand Dark Justiciar Shart. I do like Shar though since Neverwinter Nights...
There's even a more evil route. Convince Shadowheart not to proceed, then in act 3, you betray her and surrender her to Viconia in exchange of their support in the final fight, you also betray the Nightsong and surrender her to Lorrakan in exchange of his support in the final fight. They both get screwed and you gain two powerful allies.
@@HarryPujols Not even worth it to surrender Nightsong if Rolan is alive since you gain the buff through him
@@Abk15701 it's okay, La'zel is even more annoying throughout the whole game.
I'm the exact opposite. I refuse to ever take her off my party in every playthrough and never have her be a Selunite.
It's funny how to murder Druids and Tieflings in Act 1 costs you 3 to 4 companions, but when Shadowheart does something equally as evil the same companions are all just like "well, that's pretty evil but what ever"
I’d argue that although killing Aylin is certainly evil, killing an entire grove full of innocents and children is a bit more extreme.
Empowering Shar is basically the most evil thing you can do in-setting. Besides, last light inn is, if you did not slaughter them in the druid grove, full of the same innocents and children.
@@portpebble5097 Agreed lol
You could make this quest without coming to Tavern, so you and your companions may not even know what happened
@portpebble5097 it really isn't. Last Light was also full of innocents and children.
Shadowheart: *has a mental breakdown*
Shadowheart: *tries a side-part*
You know, when the characters ascend, they all become either dead or insufferable...
Gale is fine
@erikburzinski8248 I disagree. I love him as a character, but his ascended self is the worst version of him to me. By ascending, he loses his charm and becomes that which he complained about in the beginning.
@@Queenie97 he complains about the gods doing nothing when it is within there power as for gale he does not have the ablity to act because hes the god of ambition. For example he cant save karlach because her ambition is to live and saving her would remove that ambition. He can however deal with the devil because his ambition is to get the crown and to deal with him he gave him the possablity of acheveing his ambition.
@erikburzinski8248 I understand, but it just makes Gale into a massive enabler. I get it. It makes sense that he becomes the God of ambition due to his own lofty ones, but imo it depletes his character instead of strengthening him.
I heard once that Shadoeheart won't kill the Night Song if you allow her to make the choice herself... What the guy I heard it from failed to specify is that you have to have a big enough friendship score... I did learn it the hard way
i was "dating" or whatever shadowhaeart. and i allowed her to make her own choice (MAX) relationship level and that changed nothing. she fought me in the end, and died. so i reloaded and made her back the fuck down. at least that play through.. trying to do an evil playthrough as the DURGE but man its difficult from these choices, ya its a game. but still...
I hate when I try to pretend that I'm giving them a free will to do what the heart tells them to do... But then they do something I actually didn't want them to do and I need to reload.
I think you need to make Shadow Heart read the books talking about night song, and be a good guy along the game, I let her do what she wants and she saved Nightsong, I was proud :)@@Kraxt0n
If you didn't read the books, I think Shadow Heart has little to no reason saving nightsong, following logic
Shadowheart threw the spear away in my game as her own choice.
Shadowheart is such a hypocrite. If DU kills isobelle for Bhaal, it's all "HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?! THINK OF ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE YOU MURDERED!". If Shart does it, it's a-okay because Shar says so.
That's literally not how hypocrisy works
@@yeah3358 Hypocrisy: noun:
the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case.
Google is your friend bro.
@@westenev oops you're right
@@westenevShadowheart is a religious fundamentalist so things done for Shar are good, things for done for other deities are bad. Just like real life fundamentalists who think their religion is betterer than other religions, even when the religions are similar to their own.
@@1DiXXIe1 You have Marvel-brain. Laezel worships Vlaakith.
So you're telling me the big change is she clipped her FRINGE??? Lmaoooo what a *wild* woman our Shart is 🤣
Lmaoooo I was like…. What’s the difference? TODDLER BANGS???
@@thespectralsociety4888 Shart is so *quirky* 🤪
The comments of the companions at the end feel like some kind of reality show when the they discuss each other behind their backs on camera.
*When the Durge kills Isobel and everyone in Last Light*
Shadowheart: OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU DID THIS YOU MONSTER! ALL THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED BECAUSE OF YOU!
*When Shadowheart kills Nightsong and condemns everyone in Last Light to death*
Shadowheart: UwU Opsies, anyway, Lady Shar is happy and I got a haircut
this made me cackle 😭
They one part where calling her Shart is totally justified
Shartage..
Shatague..
Sharty..
Shart the bed..
New dialog:
" hi I'm sharty, my favorite color is black, my favorite hobbies include murder of helpless enemies.. don't you like my new hairdo ? "
its always justified
Shadowfart
If I was Selune I would've unleashed the unspeakable upon Shar and cursed the one who murdered my child not to mention persecuted her.
his "child" was imprisoned and under constant torture ... if Selune give a single fk about Nightsong, she would have done something 100 years ago.
@@namamora1190 she did. She gave to her daughter the gift of immortality and the strength she needed to resist the torture and she sent Isobel which gave her even more strength then ever. And she sent a Shar's follower who was actually a selunite. Remember that most of Shadowheart's powers are based on light magic. If you kill Dame Aylin Isobel's shield will fade away for Selune will be affected by her daughter's death, meaning she loved her child.
@@marian1000brb Actually it was Myrkul who brought Isobel back from the dead
@marian1000brb not to mention Selune can only do so much since God's have a limit of what they can do. Plus Aylin was literally in Shar's house, not like she could just beat down the door to save her where Shar is at her strongest.
@ooney455 I've written that Selune sent Isobel not that she resurected her. Pay attention.
Wow all the candles going out at Last Light, the strings, and the knocking was genuinely unnerving. Not to be all "the cinnamon topography!" but this game is so beautifully directed and presented it still manages to amaze me.
couldn't agree more!! ❤
If you murder Isobel, you can actually witness it all happen in person. Jaheira panicks as people begin succumbing to the darkness one by one.
Oh my Dark Urge playthrough, I made everyone as evil and horrible as my Tav. I had to take breaks, to decompress. As it stands only a Dark Justiciar Shadowheart, Ascended Astarion, Minthara and Wyll are around. But I made Wyll kill Karlach (I then stole his rewarded Robe for my Dark Urge Warlock) and abandoned his Father. Then I slept with his Patron. I still don't know why Wyll is still around, I made his life a living hell.
You can convince Wyll to become archduke on top of extending his deal with the devil and killing Ansur, who was the de facto protector of Baldur's Gate, that's a full evil Wyll playthrough.
how did wyll stay in your evil playthrough? did you K.O. minthara and not raid the grove?
@@MARUSHI-YT toggle the passive Non-lethal Attack before the final hit (meelee or bow attack, not spell) on Minthara, and she will just be unconscious and will be possible to be saved in Act 2
@@MARUSHI-YTI killed Wyll for the BOOOAL Blessing.
@@40KWillsame.
Shar never gave anything to Shadowheart, the power was taken from her parents.
Thank you for sharing this bc I’ll never experience this in any of my walkthroughs. Even watching this was difficult for me,lol. I had to stop at Isobel part…I’m hopeless☹️
Thank you for watching! and I know it was super hard to watch, someone else in the coments said the Last Light Inn cutscene is like a horror movie, and I agree
It would make so much sense for at least Halsin to leave. I mean she's a dark justiciar for crying out loud
I rolled a good persuasion and got her to not kill the Nightsong because Shar sounded shady to me. Plus the Nightsong turns out to be a divine being that wants to kill Ketheric so, and is girlfriends with Isobel. I’m happy with my choice.
If you play as Durge, this actually counts as succeeding to kill Isobel and you'll get the Slayer form
Every time I try to do an evil playthrough, I see stuff like this and just think 'nah m8'. It just seems so depressing.
This is like a horror movie
To be fair, the whole shadow-cursed section is one big horror movie. Personally, I find episode with Chop even more disturbing (final area beneath Moonrise towers).
imo all of act 2 is horror. very disturbing stuff.
I've got this cute scene before and I didn't even know this could happen. And it's way more terrifying also this counts as killing isobell if you're doing dark urge
I was so scared when the Last Light Inn cutscene played after nightsong died omg
OOH THANKS FOR THAT!
And I killed Lae'zal for nothing lol
I’m glad I talked her out of it. She’s absolutely insufferable after becoming a dark justiciar
I cant make her DJ to be honest, so thank you for showing what could happen in different circumstances! As much as i try to give free will to companions, i dont think its "right" for Shadowheart to be Shar's follower. Her fate was taken from her and she was literally brainwashed.
I dont think she should be a selunite either. Gods are jerks tbh
Thank you for watching! I usually let her decide what she does, but she has never chosen to kill Nightsong on her own, and I just wanted to see dark Shdaowheart. I do agree with you about it not feeling right for her to be Shar's follower though
@beansandbaldursgate Yeah. I mean, it would be different if she chose to be a follower herself, but I feel like it's not right when someone doesn't see the full picture before choosing.
Also, I've seen that she can choose to kill Nightsong herself if you don't get her "flashback" scene
First time through I was too pissed at Shadowheart to let her back out of her mission. I got turned around and lost a few times trying to find the orbs. Fought Yurgir the hard way since I didn't know you could convince him to defeat himself. Swapped my rogue gear with her so she could do the stealth trial herself. I think she had too heavy proficiency items for me wear her stuff while I waited. I was forgoing clothes anyway and I forgot I put my panties in Astarion's inventory as a goof. So I was just standing there awkwardly holding her stuff butt naked in the middle of a freezing temple. She still gave me attitude the whole way through despite having high approval. So yeah, Last light was wiped off the map because my patience was none existent then. I didn't know that would happen but I went with it and played evil the rest of the way. Worked out pretty well since I was Durge anyway. I got to be the Slayer and everyone was mad at Shadowheart instead of me.
love love loved this!!! I am doing a durge run rn on stream, and we are trying to make all the homies as evil as possible this run 🫣
Damn, this is so depressing :( I'm glad I got to see this route, because I sure as hell will never choose it in my sessions haha
probably one of the biggest moments of my first playthrough
She would have been pushing up daisies long ago with that attitude like she was dictating things.
Basically an easier way to get the slayer and kill last light inn if you want to.
I am so happy that Shadowheart arch is not if killing the nightsong, but if she sacrifices her parents.
Funnily enough Shadowheart becoming a Dark Justiciar and a True Durge’s goal line up very well.
Shart is a very interesting dynamic character
Evil or not, but letting "Nightsong" go is not all that sweet and cosy as some claim it to be. This being - very powerful, mind you - is clearly mentally unstable. The way she kills both general and that pompous wizard is an obvious sign of that. Some may argue that Isobel will be able to fix her, eventually, but the risks are still rather high. I wonder what would trully neutral character do. Still, liberating SH from Shar's indocrination is a right thing to do.
I don't think the point of the game is to be neutral; this is a fantasy world where being nice to everyone does not pay off, it gets you killed. It's to show you all the ways we are complex beings and can change for good from bad and other way around. The game does not judge, it is up to the player and no amount of youtube comments will change this.
Everyone without protection from the Shadow curse turns into Shadow monsters. Short version
Thank you, this is an option id probably never take
Cool! Our Tavs look the same! I love when I see other with the same face, hair, and tattoo! Great minds!
yes; great minds indeed 😁
Ah, so she does not become a hollow vassal. Goody. One more follower for the most depressing ending.
she is so different compare to the other path.
Minthra ,my favorite, I slaugter the forest and the all tiflins. However, I also love the shadowheart, as the dark justiciar.
Saw this cutscene one time because I was doing the classic Selune-cleric-Shadowheart-romance and I made the mistake of choosing a Selunite dialogue option when trying to persuade her not to kill Aylin. Reloaded immediately after.
In entire bg3 vaalkith is worst right after her is shar
Did you go to Last Light Inn afterwards and find jaheira?
i didn't, this quest was the last one I did before heading straight to moonrise towers, I'll have to check it out on my next run
im thinking of doing an evil Aasimar playthrough after i finish my good run and I was wondering what killing the Nightsong would end up doing
The part i'm dreading tho is killing Scratch
Wow yeah that’s definitely the evil option…
Uuuugh. Brotha uuuughhhhh.
It is so frustrating that you cannot save Shadowheart and Laezel from their own cultishness.
Both revel at being the worst versions of themselves.
They turn seriously depressed when you dampen their moxy.
I dunno turning shadow heart away from shar and saving her parents helps her mood and revealing Vlaakith is lying and we free Orpheus gives Lae'zel new purpose in life.
So it's possible for them to be happy.
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I can see Shadowheart seeing brighter days, but Lae’zel lazily replaces one tyrant for another, unless you squidify the object of her obsession.
@@jorgiebutt I mean that’s just the githyanki way. You can’t fix their love for authority.
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That undying loyalty is the path to their destruction. It’s no wonder the queen was able to usurp the Chosen One - no one dares question their own nonsensical fealty.
@@jorgiebutt You can convince Lae’zel to stay with you, even if Orpheus isn’t a mind flayer
Damn Sharty
Very interesting, I just did this as Shadowheart Origin (in my opinion, without her beliefs challenged by a custom Tav, Shadowheart is too entrenched in Shar's cult to fight her way out herself - the other companions never really bring it up or try to talk sense into you), and the companions did not express these opinions to me as the main character. I really expected Karlach, Wyll, and Halsin to have something to say about it, but nothing. I guess they didn't want you to feel too badly about your choice if you're not just a companion?
Thanks for sharing your experience! It's definitely intriguing how different choices and character backgrounds can lead to varied interactions in the game. I agree, playing as Shadowheart Origin adds a unique perspective, and it would have been interesting to see more of the companions challenging her beliefs. It seems like the game developers wanted to give players freedom in their role-playing without too much pressure from the companions. Did you find that the companions' silence felt particularly impactful or just missed opportunities for deeper dialogue?
@beansandvibes it felt like missed opportunity. The only companion who said anything about my Shar worship was Astarion, when Shadowhearr first told him. And all he said was he didn't care. And once you decide to tell anyone the whole camp knows (which I disagreed with - she shared a secret with her romantic partner, not intending it to be common knowledge, but in hindsight perhaps that was too much intricacy to hope for). But after that, nothing. And barely even any Disapproval when I would choose [CLERIC OF SHAR] or [EVIL CLERIC] dialogue options. My standing with them was quite high by that time. So I interpreted that as Shadowheart believing they would support her decision to fulfill her destiny. But then even afterwards, they just keep trucking along. I think only one of them even Disapproved of the act of using the Spear of Night (and it wasn't a big drop). So, yeah, it really felt like the companions had no challenge to her devotion to Shar as an Origin Story run.
Shart? Really? Lolol
I love all esses.
If this means losing Halsin as companion, sorry Shadow but you'll never become a Dark Justiciar in my runs💀
I did Halsin's quest first, and then Shadowhearts, then I went to moonrise and I kept them both at my camp into Act 3
@beansandbaldursgate Really? I want to try and make her DJ in one of my runs but I was scared Halsin would leave. So his quest has to go first?
@@Atitanshifterr I believe so, I think those two quests are the ones that determines what happens to the shadow cursed lands, so if you complete Halsin's first and get the quest "kill Ketheric Thorm," that's when you should go to finish Shadowhearts quest!
edit: typo
You can still get Halsin. Hell, if you do things in the right order, you can still get Jaheira.
@@beansandvibesYou can actually do Halsin's quest any time during act 2. On my first play-through I did it after defeating Ketheric and after recruiting Jaheira and literally did his whole quest with both Jaheira and Shar's Chosen in my party.
Please tell me someone laughed at the fact that Shadowheart was abbreviated to SHART
S H A R T 😭😭
One more reason not to kill her
Nightsong: dies
Shar: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Are you done monologuing yet or should I tuck in with a bucket of popcorn?
Well. Either she was gonna kill night song or I kill isobel. One of them was gonna have to die lawl
Lol Shart...
I watched this because I have little interest in an evil playthrough. The dial has not been shifted on that front.
Okay can someone explain to me WHY Isobel's magic fails if the nightsong dies? Is it because she secretly gets her power from Aylin and not Selune and she doesn't know? Is Selune just pissed? I just-there's something in my brain that does not understand why her magic fails and everyone has to die if the nightsong dies.
if DJ shart's hair style is closer to shar's image why does she still change it to that style when you dont kill the nightsong...? i get she also dyes it as well but its still the same style
she mentions she herself wanted to change it, but also said its for Shar. she just feels the need to explain everything she does is for the will of Shar. Typically zealot behavior.
I am soo glad i managed to get her to not kill the nightwong by herself. Maybe in my next play though.
my relationship with Shadowheart is always high, and she usually decides not to kill Nightsong, but since I had never seen it, my curiousity just got to me :o this choice is def fit for an evil run
@@beansandvibes I wouldn't say I was gonna do an evil run. I am gonna answer with the first thing that pops into my mind. Which coincidentally aligns with a more evil run. But I would say more sarcastic and witty than evil lol
Whats Gale wearing? He looks so pretty
hey sorry for replying late :( I was trying to figure out what amour this is but I can't remember and I've already deleted my save (playing honor mode) but I remember that the dye I used on the amour was light blue. if I find it in the future, I will let you know what it is!
shadow shart
I live all esses.
Can you still get Jaheira this way? Or is she and minsc locked out if you do this
I went straight to Moonrise from here, and Jaheira and the Harpers were not waiting there, it locks you out of her recruitment as far as I know
Jaheira is at the Last Night Inn when it falls so she falls too unless you can save her. I'm not sure you can by the time I got there everyone was dead and I went right after. If you don't fix Karlach before it falls you won't be able to. Everyone at the Inn dies. I got mad at Shadowheart and she basically said I didn't try hard enough to stop her. I so wanted the option to kick her out but you can't. I did the persuasion options and failed them so she killed Nightsong. Wanted to see what happens. Not doing that again unless I want to do an evil play through.
Not this specific way but if you let Last Light Fall before going to Shadowfell, you can recruit Jaheira to your camp after the fall and then she will join your party after Ketheric is defeated.
Shart? Was that on purpose 😅
Why did it feel like I was watching the office?
all the companion cutscenes lol 😂 I tried to get everyone's reaction since it was something so huge. Shart did a genocide and then was like, how's my hair looking? like, girl 😐
So basically what i've learned is that we became the leader EVEN AS DURGE because these people can't make good decisions for themselves without momma tav nearby, does ANY of them even make it to act 2 alive? 🤦♂️ Gale dies first, lae'zel ironically being the strongest fighter on the team has so many opportunities to die in act 1, Wyll probably dies cause theres no way hes killing Karlach, Astarion dies and becomes a zombie i've gone on long enough, point being is "You need a Guardian" is what they all heard and it was true 😂
There is a way to remove the shadowcurse and recruit halsin even if you kill dame Ailyn, but is there a way to recruit Jaheira?
I'm not sure, as I went straight into Act 2 after this, I'll check it out on my current run :)
Why is Lae’zel disapproving?
I guess since they've never gotten along, it's extra easy for lae'zel to judge her lol
lae'zel is, at her core, both a good person.
Maybe beyond morals… She’s also pragmatic and recognizes this is a horrible decision.
Shar is antithetical to everything Lae'Zel stands for, particularly if she sees through Vlaakith's deception. Shar is an ultra-evil dishonest goddess that wants to destroy all life, consuming even her followers on a regular basis.
Also she killed someone restrained, not something honorable to say the least
Ooof
AMOGUS
Doesn't this choice mean you don't get Dammon in Act 3 ?
yes, he wasn't in Act 3 after this happened
You don't need him in act 3, just fix Karlach in Last Inn
You lose Dammon but the items you get from Shar are better than the stuff he sells.
I wish you could turn halsin evil, so you don't lose him, when you play evil from the start. Like turn him into a shadow druid. I would love to play an evil playthrough but I hate losing characters
It would totally make sense in Act 3 when you bring him to Baldur's Gate. He gets really angry at all the injustice and hates the city.... it would be an interesting choice for him to become jaded toward humanity and essentially become what Kagha was.
Agreed. Theres a lot more variety in good companions than evil. Just like you can redeem the evil ones, it would be cool to be able to corrupt the good ones
Sacrifices Must Be Made.
Can anyone please explain, who is that on 4:20, chained and in the air?
That moment is foreSHADOWing (heh) something in Act III. You'll find out more about that person after gaining full access to the House of Grief in Baldur's Gate (that should be enough to look up the answer easily if you want to but without directly spoiling it here)
@@Turantula thank you for the answer, and not spoiling it :)
Or esses.
Or ess.
Shart? You really chose to use Shart for Shadowheart? Poor choice of word......
Lol
I love you Goddess.
I hate that she changes her haircut, the original style looks much better.
Shart?
Shart.
I dont like Dark Justiciar Shadowheart..She makes me sad...
shhh its okay, Dark Justiciar Shadowheart can't hurt you 🥺
@@beansandvibes >dark justiciar Shadowheart 👁️👄👁️
Shadowheart: Like my new hair style? My Tav: 🤨new....bangs?
Szczerze to spodziewałam się zupełnie innych questów. Jestem zaskoczona takim wyborem, ja podzielam zdanie jedynie condo wyścigow konnych, ale to tylko dlatego, ze ogólnie nie lubię wyścigów jako takich.