To those that asked why he shot her... He shot her because sometime before this, when Kagetora had renounced the warriors life, vassals of hers had killed a close friend of his. When the one gent says "The woman we saw in the snow!" He is referring to the incident. They were unarmed, dressed as peasants and her vassal killed his friend for having the audacity of raising his palm to a bucking horse to protect himself and Kagetora. Bottom line, she had it coming, as do we all.
Is this the movie where a woman maybe and empress is being escorted in the snow and their is a battle? I am trying to find this samurai movie that my father who passed away loved. I remember him watching it in the mid-90s and there was a scene where a woman is being escorted, it's a snowy scene. Do you know what I am talking about?
Actually it was Takeda's son Taro who killed the guy.Whom Takeda reprimanded on the spot for his stupidity.He then gave them a bag of money as compensation.Taro was the one to blame not lady Yae.Even though she was an enemy i think she deserved better in my personal opinion.
"Heaven and Earth." My first samurai movie, so I'll always have a soft spot for it. It was this movie that clued me in about the love of the Japanese for simplicity and the beauty thereof.
That movie is insane, look at all these extras, no CGI ! Colors are wonderful, the fights are epic and the song when Lady Yae's troop reminds me about the song "still alive" from mirror's edge. I was looking for the DVD for I think 10-15 years and my waiting was rewarded. One of my favourite samuraï movies with Kagemusha and Mibu Gishi Den.
The crescent on the helmet is the symbol of the Japanese Ryu, or dragon, meaning he is a fighter, living only for fight, fighting under heaven. In the middle of the crescent, you can see a draw of the Echigo province, the province of Uesugi Kenshin. The helmet were gived to Nagao Kagetora by the monks of the Rizen-ji who instruct him after his victory on his brother, giving him the right to be call the "Dragon of the Echigo".
I long ago linked this to an article about the Japanese conflict between honor and utility. I appreciated the translations, as the English-language version changes the script because it wasn't expected that Westerners would understand the scene. To a Japanese watching this, it's understood that Lady Yae will be denied honor in battle, regardless of her skill, because she is a woman. She already knows that no man will fight her. She is effectively committing suicide in an attempt rally Takeda's forces by displaying her courage. The worst disrespect would have been for her to have been ignored as unworthy of a challenge, so she forces one by coming within range of Uesugi Kenshin's arquebus. He doesn't want to kill her; he's the only one who doesn't laugh at her. But doing so is the only way to maintain their mutual honors. "Lady Yae" is modeled after the heroic but tragic figure of Nakano Takeko, a female warrior who actually lived some three-centuries after the events portrayed in the film.
I disagreed, somewhat. Yae always want to prove herself in battle. Takeda and Kenshin, in real life, cared more about winnings than honours. Attack is harder than the defense, especially without surprise. When they are at the river, they are waiting for the others to attack. When the commander-in-chiefs played the waiting game, the subordinates felt bored and unsatisfied. Yae went for honor. Kenshin shot her because she caused death of his friend, earlier in the movie, which led to him retaking his title to stop Takeda. It is not a suicide attempt, she wanted to start a chain reaction that led the men to fight or at least show that she is a warrior befitted a daimyo. Takeda does not cared, he is slighlty upset that he lost a concubine, but he rather not lost the battle. Later in the movie, when his son or brother were trapped fighting for his life, Takeda focused on how to running away rather lose more troops. After Yae' s death, it would be dishonour for Takeda to continue to wait there. So he retreat, but praising his opponent and requesting if he want to attack them at their rear. Of course, if Kenshin attack, Kenshin is in a disadvantage, and Takeda could win and get back the honour. Kenshin, also is not stupid, so the confrontation ended by one useless death. Yae wanted to be a warrior but the generals only want to win.
@@Account.for.Comment Thank you for the additional perspective. And I agree with many of your points, especially that "...the subordinates felt bored and unsatisfied," that Yae wants to start something while proving that she is a courageous warrior, that Takeda is more concerned about winning the battle and that he knows that he cannot do so with certainty, and that if Takeda Shingen does not accept Yae's death as an immediate challenge to battle, then it is a dishonor to stay and to continue to wait. However, Yae is a dramatic character, added to the actual history for the specific purpose of making a point in the film, that in fact these deaths in the name of honor were pointless. She was not the one who killed Usugi Kenshin's friend earlier in the film. And Kenshin understood both why her attendants acted as they did, and why they compensated the death with money. The value of Yae's own commitment to the warrior ethic is being questioned here; does it accomplish anything? As with Nakano Takeko's Onna-Bugeisha armed with ko-naginata rushing Imperial Army soldiers with firearms, Yae knows that she is likely doomed from the moment she determines to take her horse into the water... her expression shows that she knows this. As an aside from the Japanese historical perspective, the battles between Takeda Shingen and Usugi Kenshin are often used to illustrate how social values tend to fall before utility -- honor or victory. In their earlier battles, both men are noted for the honorable ways in which they approached their confrontations. Kenshin and Shingen would fight a one-on-battle in which Shingen, caught off-guard, chose to defend himself with an iron signaling fan or, “tessen,” rather than flee. However, both eventually conceded to the use of the "Southern Barbarians'" arquebus. And Shingen himself was probably killed by a sniper’s bullet around a decade later, the fodder for another famous Japanese film, Akira Kurosawa’s, Kagemusha (Shadow Warrior). As the firearm replaced the sword, so utility replaced honor.
People seriously need to watch the movie before commenting about honor or shooting a woman. Uesugi Kenshin shot Lady Yae for much deeper reason. Long story short, early in the film his loyal comrade got killed because of his weakness and hesitation. Kenshin realized his mistakes and vowed to gain back his resolve. Now Kenshin saw an opportunity to traverse the river without casualty on their side by killing Takeda's mistress. It's not about revenge or honor. It's pure tactical advantage. That is why Takeda's messenger congratulated Kenshin.
This is why the scene is so good. It *is* about honor and Samurai culture, but it's *also* about the characters and the events that occurred. That's the commentary the scene is communicating. Samurai culture has a very very very large emphasis on presentation and tradition among all else, which often gets conflated because of later concepts like Bushido trying to itemize concepts that evolved over many periods. Over the course of hundreds of years this basically culminated in the most prominent form during the Sengoku period and into the Edo period, which was that Samurai very often had to balance achieving their goals, or pragmatism, with presenting the "expected" or "required" virtues of being Samurai, typically honor and duty. The scene in question is the epitome of this, because Kagetora accomplishes a plethora of things in this one act whilst maintaining a public image of virtue. He eliminates a prominent enemy figure, demoralizes the enemy, convinces the enemy to quit the field, avenges his friend and retinue, doesn't dishonor himself by accepting single combat with a woman, honors Lady Yae by effectively defeating her in combat, and doesn't allow Lady Yae to have her challenge go unanswered and thus shamed by being called back by Takeda. Furthermore, Takeda is basically backed into a corner because of this action. If he were to ignore Lady Yae's death by Kagetora's shot, he would maintain the tactical advantage on the field, but he would forfeit Lady Yae's honor, and thus his. It would reflect poorly on him if his mistress were dishonored, and if he did not publicly recognize her death as significant that would be dishonorable to her. Thus, he congratulates Kagetora for his shot, which publicly acknowledges this as a single combat of honor, and subsequently quits the field with his force, which further acknowledges the value that Lady Yae had to him and his clan. Whether or not she was truly valuable or had made the correct decision is irrelevant, as to Samurai the public image is all that matters. It's not "textbook" Samurai behavior, it's *contemporary* Samurai behavior for the Sengoku period. This is exactly the kind of act that Sengoku period Daimyos are famous for and it communicates a lot about the period and politics in a very short duration. It's hilariously complex for how brief of a scene it is.
Kagetora did not shoot Lady Yae to avenge his friend who was killed earlier in the movie. Anyone who has seen the entire movie and understands the character of Kagetora knows that a man with his lofty spirit would never stoop to petty revenge. He killed Lady Yae for a sound military reason. Her death demoralized Takeda who then retreated to properly mourn and bury her. Shooting Lady Yae broke the long deadlock and prevented a battle that would have cost Kagetora the lives of thousands of his soldiers.
Lousy characters always find an excuse for the behavior of other lousy characters, a justification. If necessary, a military, tactical or even strategic one. An army in which there is no one to accept a challenge such as Lady Yae's is not an army, but a collection of lice-ridden armed men. No matter how well-dressed the armed men are and how high they may be from birth. Lack of character is incompatible with chivalry.
@@CrvenkapicaIVZNGwhat would you know about it? Ain't ever been a clean fight on this earth. Fighting isn't clean. Warfare is the dirtiest, most inequitable fight of them all. Winner: Kagetora
Is this the movie where a woman maybe and empress is being escorted in the snow and their is a battle? I am trying to find this samurai movie that my father who passed away loved. I remember him watching it in the mid-90s and there was a scene where a woman is being escorted, it's a snowy scene. Do you know what I am talking about?
He shot her because she was being foolish. Lady Yae was trying to motivate/inspire her side by showing an act of bravery and by being fearless. Her foolish act instead caused her to be killed and dishearten Takeda and his army; causing them to retreat. Kagetora won the the stalemate battle with one shot instead of a bloody massacre of his troops fighting to cross a river.
+G WTF is wrong with you? Uesugi Kenshin is not all the Japanese people at the same time. Whatever he did, whatever your presidents have done to us, I don't hold it against you, because you are a different person, so don't hold it against the Japanese, because they are as individual as us.
Neintralfershbdohfgo /USA is not a democracy. And a good leader will never come out of their ranks. Also do not feel bad because Americans often feel superior to any people. I'm Mexican so I know this first hand. Greetings to any Japanese on here. I love Sengoku Jidai and Japanese history :)
That's a remarkably accurate shot for the weapons of the time. Massed muskets tended to fire into the enemy mass, not individual soldiers, and accuracy was very spotty above 40 yards.
I would say that Kagetora shot Yae out of pity more than anything. As strange as it may sound, in those warring ages of the samurai it was more merciful to deal your opponent an honourable death than to leave them to face a life of shame. I believe this was reflected in the message from Takeda, wherein he praised the skill of Kagetora thus honouring Yae as having fallen at the hands of a more than worthy adversary. But I think his pity goes even deeper than that. What he pitied and what became her demise was her youth and naivete. As if she had sprung straight from the Tales of Genji, Yae had spurred her steed to enemy lines, clad in beautifully embroidered armor, and challenged them to a duel, all in fashion of those bygone chivalrous times. He's seen one too many youths, hearts burning with heroism, being trampled under hooves on muddy plains. She was living in a dream, a dream few wake from. An honourable challenge, shamelessly shot down by a cowardly bullet, some might say. But what sense is there for a general of an army to run down into enemy range to face off in a duel, not for any tactical advantage, but solely for the purpose of fulfilling a storybook fantasy? If he were to be slain or gunned down, what would become of his men, his family, his homeland? If he were to come out alive and victorious, the only thing it would prove to his men would be that brash heroism merits glory. But, I also want to argue that he did indeed respect her values in glory and honour. While all the soldiers were ridiculing the challenger, when Kagetora took his gun, no one was laughing. The least that bullet did, was spare everything from being a farce, his war and hers. His decision can neither be judged right or wrong. If she had lived would anything have changed? If she had been dragged off like a child, would she have sincerely faced her shame and immaturity? Or would her reckless bravado again afford her her own life, or cause the untimely death of another? From however much he knew of her, he made his decision. Was there vengeance at play? I must arguably say no, but as an audience, I can't help but feel a sour tinge of frustration towards Lady Yae. Her picturesque admiration towards war seems to have made her sadly oblivious to real-life consequences. Albeit an accident, it was her inability to control her horse that indirectly caused Kagetora's loyal follower to be slain. You'd think she would have felt some sort of remorse, but she just rides off without even taking a glance back. And then later, there she was, flaunting her horsemanship in front of both armies in all her righteousness, like she was Amaterasu incarnate. It's hard to believe any human being would take that without feeling an ounce of anger. But if Kagetora did have any grudges, he certainly didn't show it. He calmly readied his gun, took aim, and, without any haste or hesitation, pulled the trigger. And thereafter, his face betrayed not a single thread of content or regret. It was only a muted wave of pity that faltered his stern countenance.
The movie is called "Heaven and Earth" if I remember it correctly. I saw this move when it first came out in 1990, almost 20 years ago and it was, as is now, an excellent movie.
I think he had to shot at her, because she had launched a direct challenge to him, but he could not accept the challenge, for it was coming from a woman, even if she was an Onna-bugeisha and a Samurai, he could not accept her challenge, but the challenge had been now launched and it could not remain without an answer, so he had to kill her using a musket. On the other side, she already knew she was going to die, as Takeda-sama knew that she would not have come back. This is an enchanting story a gem, about Samurai, honor, death and the mutual relation between honor and death in Bushidō. Thanks for sharing.
No, he knew she was too strong and he could not defeat her in a duel, nor his men. If they lost, their troop's morale would be simply over and battle lost entirely.
@@SilverforceX lul, I hope you are trolling, she was shot because she was stupid. First it was foolish and daring to charge the enemy like that, if not an arquebus then a Yumi could have taken lady Yae out, and she knew it. Lady Yae was gambling that title and honor would protect her, but as others have pointed out she had no Honor, riding up like that was an insult to the man that died in the snow because she is a shabby rider, thus she was killed like the dog she was.
Mate. Sometimes you just gotta watch the movie .... Here's some context: she is indirectly responsible for the death of one of his servants / friends ( even though really it wasn't her fault at all but she is why he died and they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time ). So he shot her for that.
@@lkvideos7181 That and the fact that Kagetora's friend died because she lost control of her horse in the snow. Her also putting on a show of how great her horsemanship is in this scene was doubly insulting.
I'm surprised nobody has commented this, but my I saw his reasoning for shooting her as follows: (My interpretation) This film is called "Heaven and Earth" and it is centered about Kagatora's inability to reconcile, being the noble, religious and morally correct protector of Echigo vs being the effective and decisive warlord he will need to be for Echigo to survive. His noble ideals are "Heaven", and our brutal nature is "Earth". At the start of the film he is a leader who hesitates in killing a mother and her child, culminating in becoming the leader we see here. Who is decisive and doesn't hesitate and shoots Lady Yae off her horse. I saw Lady Yae and her contingent as the idyllic representation of Bushido honor and the "samurai way". What happens to them? To continue the over-arching theme of the film, they represent an ideal "Heaven" and they ultimately are killed by the brutal nature of war "Earth". While noble and idyllic they are ultimately ineffective and its deliberately tragic how their lives are thrown away.
In the movie the concept you describe is called ""Heaven and Earth"" but at essence it is the yin and the yang: Remember the round diagram with the black and white that interlock within themselves? That is the same thing. So which is better? The Heaven or the Earth? Neither!!! But when you step on the BORDER of the two, ONLY then you can have the best of the both worlds and this is where the real victory is: Having the spirit to do great things (Heaven) but be practical how to do it in the most rational way (Earth).
The “weird” Japanese media the rest of the world know of became more known to the rest of the world in the 90s. Alot of those things can be traced back even years before that. The only problem is that foreigners, especially westerners pick up on the weirdest trends from Japan that even Japanese people find weird and treat it as something thats common in Japan. Or, they completely misinterpret the meaning behind certain Japanese culture and trends to fit their own western narratives.
Not the water, the political atmosphere. Although it is in great part Tezuka's subversive manga's fault, and from here anime in general ; even "good" anime such as GinEiDen is essentially subversive (in this case due to overdoses of Rationalism).
Truly one of the greatest Samurai movies ever made. I just wish it would get a wider release I don't think I've ever seen a DVD version in the west, a few VHS floating around but nothing else sad just sad.
Yes agreed. I'd love to purchase this film somehow! Make you're you get Japanese kanji for the movie and use that to search. Full movie was up for a bit this year
I just want to point out that this film takes place in the period 1450-1550, and the lady and her retainers are armored as if it were 1250. She is a real poseur.
In the final battel, both army use diffrent formation, and the general say, they use fromation "somthing" we have been deceived. What frormation did they use and why did one have an advantage, with my untrained eye, both use a line of battel with reserves behind the main line.
I remember watching this and falling in love with it back in the 90's, but could never find a copy to own. After seeing this clip I really want a copy of this movie, but it is basically unavailable unless one is independently wealthy.
It was a clash of philosophy, between the world of the warrior and its chivalry and honor and the world of the soldier and its desire for total victory no matter the cost. See Mr. Machiavelli if you have any further questions.
Movies like this show how STUPID was, for example, The Last Samurai premise that Japanese soldiers "never" came in contact with firearms prior events in the movie very loosely based on the Boshin War and final end of the Shogunate in Japan... when it was Nobunaga who first introduced firearms and artillery bought from Portugal to his troops, and later on many of the Daimios adopted firearms use in their troops with Tokugawa on the top.
That was one reason i refused to even watch The Last Samurai. Japan had never come in contact with firearms...HELLO, BATTLE OF NAGASHINO?! SEKI fucking GAHARA? Old Shingen himself was said to have written treatises on the proper strategic uses of gunlines.
@@yoyoma2831 it was shot outside Lethbridge, Alberta. I had the film poster. You could see the Richardson ground squirrels on the prairie grass, wondering wtf was going on!!!!
Kenshin's left hand man should have said "We don't beat woman." In feudal Japan, a woman inviting a challenge would be taken as an insult to a man, whatmore when the man in question is a warlord.
In a similar scene in this same movie, leading the Takeda army at another of the Battles of Kawanakajima is a drum-beating procession of Shinto monks, drummer boys, and priestesses carried on portable shrine palanquins. The vivid taiko procession is probably supposed to attract and thunderously proclaim the divine protection of the gods upon the advancing army. Kagetora's arquebus picket line simply guns down the sacred palanquins, drummer boys, and the white-robed priestesses, coldly showing the real value of divine protection in the new era of gunpowder. The Portuguese matchlock musket had first appeared at Tanegashima only ten years before the first Battle of Kawanakajima, but its rapid spread after Japanese weapons smiths reverse-engineered it was changing the nature of samurai warfare.
Thank you. You've summed up why the ideological interpretations of the event actually short-change the cultural dimension of the story. It is rarely acknowledged that the sword wasn't the primary weapon of the Samurai. It was the Bow. So, using this range weapon to kill was an honourable act if the requisite ritual was observed between equals. The arrival of firearms changed that. Lady Yae perhaps clung into an outmoded model of engagement, and paid the price.
its not because of revenge, Kagetora shot her because she cross the boundary line (the river). you can see Kagetora take that gun when lady Yae is at the river. Lady Yae know that her action will claim her life but she determine to do it anyways in the hope that the battle will begin.
I watched this a couple of times on the action channel in the early 2000's. I really enjoyed it. You guys need to watch the whole movie to understand the real reason why he killed her. He does do something bad in the movie but he's sickened by it and wants to give up war. I don't want to spoil anything but you should watch the whole movie if you like this clip.
Wait wait wait .... lot of people taking this completly out of context here. This is why he actualy shot her: earlier in the movie Kagetora ( the guy who shoots Lady Yae ) had given up his life as samurai and was about to leave his home province when some servants track him down and try to convince him to return. But as it happens, suddenly Takeda and his army pass by and some snow accidently falls onto Lady Yae from a tree. Her horse goes crazy and as Kagetora raises his staff to protect himself and his servants from being trampled over, Takeda's son Taro approaches and starts hitting him. One of the servants get's in the way to protect Kagetora and Taro lethaly strikes him with his sword. It's still a dumb arse reason imo because while she was the cause, it wasn't her fault. Shit just happened out of pure coincidence. But it's still the actual reason he did that.
I thought that was Ieayasu who modeled it after European single plate? Wait, no, Euro armor when the samurai could get some really was popular, so perhaps...
The movie explain everything why don't send out cav with river penalty against matchlock...art of war =P I have seen this movie and love the story about Uesugi Kenshin and Takeda Shingen, I recommend this movie =)
In the samurai warrior 🇯🇵 days, female samurai warriors wasn't worthy to be called a samurai but yet she's actually called a warrior. Only male samurai warriors were actually worthy to be called a samurai. She can actually dress up like a samurai warrior, carry 2 samurai swords, ranks, and also have a samurai warrior armor. And still she's actually called a warrior 🇯🇵 not a samurai.
I read that a Teppo Commander is the second highest honor that one can have and being a great marksman would surely bring forth honor. Nothing Cowardly about it. Duels were only commonplace during the Gempei Wars. Sengoku Warfare tend to be alot messier and less "honorable".
Sengoku period warfare was not just conquest but a war of attrition. Weakening the armies of one's opponents would have been critical in any winning strategy. Even if some escaped, the loss of enemy troops to one's concentrated firearms would spare one's own. Honour was less important than winning.
Personally, I'm amused by the "enemy scout" remark during Yae's approach when the army is in clear view. If I were to send a scout, I wouldn't send in full frontal view of the enemy army. ^_~
@@LoweSilvercross If you're skilled enough you can compensate for the inaccuracy pretty well, it's not like it's gonna go off on a 90 degree angle. But, there was definitely some luck involved here too.
@@LoweSilvercross Yep. Smoothbores weren't exactly known for being accurate at long range and were more useful for making a wall of lead for some poor formation to get shredded by. In his defense, though, the samurai supposedly did have some really damn fine sharpshooters among them.
To those that asked why he shot her... He shot her because sometime before this, when Kagetora had renounced the warriors life, vassals of hers had killed a close friend of his. When the one gent says "The woman we saw in the snow!" He is referring to the incident. They were unarmed, dressed as peasants and her vassal killed his friend for having the audacity of raising his palm to a bucking horse to protect himself and Kagetora. Bottom line, she had it coming, as do we all.
Thanks for scribbling a translated clarification for the rest of us!
Is this the movie where a woman maybe and empress is being escorted in the snow and their is a battle?
I am trying to find this samurai movie that my father who passed away loved. I remember him watching it in the mid-90s and there was a scene where a woman is being escorted, it's a snowy scene. Do you know what I am talking about?
velophilercl True but the liberal cunts won't See it that way I mean Feminists
Actually it was Takeda's son Taro who killed the guy.Whom Takeda reprimanded on the spot for his stupidity.He then gave them a bag of money as compensation.Taro was the one to blame not lady Yae.Even though she was an enemy i think she deserved better in my personal opinion.
Brian Morales Well it wasn't actually her fault, it was Taro.
"Heaven and Earth." My first samurai movie, so I'll always have a soft spot for it. It was this movie that clued me in about the love of the Japanese for simplicity and the beauty thereof.
I remember that movie, the picture quality was so smooth like today's 4K OLED Smart TV's.
華やかで…はかないシーンですね…
天と地と…は何度も観ました。
That movie is insane, look at all these extras, no CGI ! Colors are wonderful, the fights are epic and the song when Lady Yae's troop reminds me about the song "still alive" from mirror's edge. I was looking for the DVD for I think 10-15 years and my waiting was rewarded. One of my favourite samuraï movies with Kagemusha and Mibu Gishi Den.
The crescent on the helmet is the symbol of the Japanese Ryu, or dragon, meaning he is a fighter, living only for fight, fighting under heaven. In the middle of the crescent, you can see a draw of the Echigo province, the province of Uesugi Kenshin. The helmet were gived to Nagao Kagetora by the monks of the Rizen-ji who instruct him after his victory on his brother, giving him the right to be call the "Dragon of the Echigo".
The dragon of the north v.s the tiger of the south. Destined to cross paths but wasn't destined to destroy each other.
Comments like this are why I haven't ditched youtube yet.
I long ago linked this to an article about the Japanese conflict between honor and utility. I appreciated the translations, as the English-language version changes the script because it wasn't expected that Westerners would understand the scene.
To a Japanese watching this, it's understood that Lady Yae will be denied honor in battle, regardless of her skill, because she is a woman. She already knows that no man will fight her. She is effectively committing suicide in an attempt rally Takeda's forces by displaying her courage. The worst disrespect would have been for her to have been ignored as unworthy of a challenge, so she forces one by coming within range of Uesugi Kenshin's arquebus. He doesn't want to kill her; he's the only one who doesn't laugh at her. But doing so is the only way to maintain their mutual honors.
"Lady Yae" is modeled after the heroic but tragic figure of Nakano Takeko, a female warrior who actually lived some three-centuries after the events portrayed in the film.
interesting and insightful. thanks
Thank you for this insight! Now I'm getting it.
I disagreed, somewhat. Yae always want to prove herself in battle. Takeda and Kenshin, in real life, cared more about winnings than honours. Attack is harder than the defense, especially without surprise. When they are at the river, they are waiting for the others to attack. When the commander-in-chiefs played the waiting game, the subordinates felt bored and unsatisfied. Yae went for honor. Kenshin shot her because she caused death of his friend, earlier in the movie, which led to him retaking his title to stop Takeda.
It is not a suicide attempt, she wanted to start a chain reaction that led the men to fight or at least show that she is a warrior befitted a daimyo. Takeda does not cared, he is slighlty upset that he lost a concubine, but he rather not lost the battle. Later in the movie, when his son or brother were trapped fighting for his life, Takeda focused on how to running away rather lose more troops.
After Yae' s death, it would be dishonour for Takeda to continue to wait there. So he retreat, but praising his opponent and requesting if he want to attack them at their rear. Of course, if Kenshin attack, Kenshin is in a disadvantage, and Takeda could win and get back the honour. Kenshin, also is not stupid, so the confrontation ended by one useless death. Yae wanted to be a warrior but the generals only want to win.
@@Account.for.Comment Thank you for the additional perspective. And I agree with many of your points, especially that "...the subordinates felt bored and unsatisfied," that Yae wants to start something while proving that she is a courageous warrior, that Takeda is more concerned about winning the battle and that he knows that he cannot do so with certainty, and that if Takeda Shingen does not accept Yae's death as an immediate challenge to battle, then it is a dishonor to stay and to continue to wait.
However, Yae is a dramatic character, added to the actual history for the specific purpose of making a point in the film, that in fact these deaths in the name of honor were pointless. She was not the one who killed Usugi Kenshin's friend earlier in the film. And Kenshin understood both why her attendants acted as they did, and why they compensated the death with money. The value of Yae's own commitment to the warrior ethic is being questioned here; does it accomplish anything? As with Nakano Takeko's Onna-Bugeisha armed with ko-naginata rushing Imperial Army soldiers with firearms, Yae knows that she is likely doomed from the moment she determines to take her horse into the water... her expression shows that she knows this.
As an aside from the Japanese historical perspective, the battles between Takeda Shingen and Usugi Kenshin are often used to illustrate how social values tend to fall before utility -- honor or victory. In their earlier battles, both men are noted for the honorable ways in which they approached their confrontations. Kenshin and Shingen would fight a one-on-battle in which Shingen, caught off-guard, chose to defend himself with an iron signaling fan or, “tessen,” rather than flee. However, both eventually conceded to the use of the "Southern Barbarians'" arquebus. And Shingen himself was probably killed by a sniper’s bullet around a decade later, the fodder for another famous Japanese film, Akira Kurosawa’s, Kagemusha (Shadow Warrior). As the firearm replaced the sword, so utility replaced honor.
What film is this?
People seriously need to watch the movie before commenting about honor or shooting a woman. Uesugi Kenshin shot Lady Yae for much deeper reason. Long story short, early in the film his loyal comrade got killed because of his weakness and hesitation. Kenshin realized his mistakes and vowed to gain back his resolve. Now Kenshin saw an opportunity to traverse the river without casualty on their side by killing Takeda's mistress. It's not about revenge or honor. It's pure tactical advantage. That is why Takeda's messenger congratulated Kenshin.
This is why the scene is so good. It *is* about honor and Samurai culture, but it's *also* about the characters and the events that occurred. That's the commentary the scene is communicating. Samurai culture has a very very very large emphasis on presentation and tradition among all else, which often gets conflated because of later concepts like Bushido trying to itemize concepts that evolved over many periods. Over the course of hundreds of years this basically culminated in the most prominent form during the Sengoku period and into the Edo period, which was that Samurai very often had to balance achieving their goals, or pragmatism, with presenting the "expected" or "required" virtues of being Samurai, typically honor and duty.
The scene in question is the epitome of this, because Kagetora accomplishes a plethora of things in this one act whilst maintaining a public image of virtue. He eliminates a prominent enemy figure, demoralizes the enemy, convinces the enemy to quit the field, avenges his friend and retinue, doesn't dishonor himself by accepting single combat with a woman, honors Lady Yae by effectively defeating her in combat, and doesn't allow Lady Yae to have her challenge go unanswered and thus shamed by being called back by Takeda. Furthermore, Takeda is basically backed into a corner because of this action. If he were to ignore Lady Yae's death by Kagetora's shot, he would maintain the tactical advantage on the field, but he would forfeit Lady Yae's honor, and thus his. It would reflect poorly on him if his mistress were dishonored, and if he did not publicly recognize her death as significant that would be dishonorable to her. Thus, he congratulates Kagetora for his shot, which publicly acknowledges this as a single combat of honor, and subsequently quits the field with his force, which further acknowledges the value that Lady Yae had to him and his clan. Whether or not she was truly valuable or had made the correct decision is irrelevant, as to Samurai the public image is all that matters.
It's not "textbook" Samurai behavior, it's *contemporary* Samurai behavior for the Sengoku period. This is exactly the kind of act that Sengoku period Daimyos are famous for and it communicates a lot about the period and politics in a very short duration. It's hilariously complex for how brief of a scene it is.
Kagetora did not shoot Lady Yae to avenge his friend who was killed earlier in the movie. Anyone who has seen the entire movie and understands the character of Kagetora knows that a man with his lofty spirit would never stoop to petty revenge. He killed Lady Yae for a sound military reason. Her death demoralized Takeda who then retreated to properly mourn and bury her. Shooting Lady Yae broke the long deadlock and prevented a battle that would have cost Kagetora the lives of thousands of his soldiers.
I think he was actually just reaaaly pissed his vassal in the beginning made a better joke while he came up with nothing.
Lousy characters always find an excuse for the behavior of other lousy characters, a justification. If necessary, a military, tactical or even strategic one. An army in which there is no one to accept a challenge such as Lady Yae's is not an army, but a collection of lice-ridden armed men. No matter how well-dressed the armed men are and how high they may be from birth. Lack of character is incompatible with chivalry.
Lady Yae: "Fight me you man pussies.""
Uesugi: *BAM*
Takeda: "Nice shot bro."
Uesugi: "Domo."
@@CrvenkapicaIVZNG Watchu talking about, bro. Musketeer accepted her challenge.
@@CrvenkapicaIVZNGwhat would you know about it?
Ain't ever been a clean fight on this earth. Fighting isn't clean. Warfare is the dirtiest, most inequitable fight of them all.
Winner: Kagetora
この映画を観るまで、”黒”という色が、これ程美しいものだとは思わなかった。
もちろん、"赤"もだ。
その、美しい色彩のコントラストの向こう側に「日本人」の魂を揺さぶる、香り、、、の様なものが漂い流れてくるようだ。
美しい。
This is a black day, our general has fallen!!!
*brack
*generar
*farren
Is this the movie where a woman maybe and empress is being escorted in the snow and their is a battle?
I am trying to find this samurai movie that my father who passed away loved. I remember him watching it in the mid-90s and there was a scene where a woman is being escorted, it's a snowy scene. Do you know what I am talking about?
he is quoting a audio segment from shogun total war 2 its a rts and turned based game.
@@jquibbler :This movie is called "Heaven and Earth."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven_and_Earth_(1990_film)
Our generar is in GWAVE danger!
He shot her because she was being foolish. Lady Yae was trying to motivate/inspire her side by showing an act of bravery and by being fearless. Her foolish act instead caused her to be killed and dishearten Takeda and his army; causing them to retreat. Kagetora won the the stalemate battle with one shot instead of a bloody massacre of his troops fighting to cross a river.
+Mr. Washe washe This is a sound, strategic response. Thanks for sharing!
+Grathom15 well 2 atom bombs are better than eating shit food from mcdonalds.
+G WTF is wrong with you? Uesugi Kenshin is not all the Japanese people at the same time. Whatever he did, whatever your presidents have done to us, I don't hold it against you, because you are a different person, so don't hold it against the Japanese, because they are as individual as us.
I wish it was otherway. They don't need more democracy. They need a wise leader.
Neintralfershbdohfgo /USA is not a democracy. And a good leader will never come out of their ranks. Also do not feel bad because Americans often feel superior to any people. I'm Mexican so I know this first hand. Greetings to any Japanese on here. I love Sengoku Jidai and Japanese history :)
This movie inspired me to do many paintings of the way I remembered the emotion I had! It stood with me for a long time!
Don't know why!😎
Beautiful film! I own this movie and it's one of my favorite in the samurai genre.
That leaf flute is the best version of the music
財前直美ももちろんカッコイイんだが、この小室哲哉の音楽が素晴らしいんだよな
お前、時代劇とか、歴史知らない
低学歴だろ！
誰が見ても最悪映画だぞ。
頭悪い、育ち悪い、無教養が
意見述べるな。恥かくぞ。
That's a remarkably accurate shot for the weapons of the time. Massed muskets tended to fire into the enemy mass, not individual soldiers, and accuracy was very spotty above 40 yards.
Yes it is, but there are some account of Japanese sniper with musket and jannisary sniper
Kenshin's a crack shot.
I would say that Kagetora shot Yae out of pity more than anything.
As strange as it may sound, in those warring ages of the samurai it was more merciful to deal your opponent an honourable death than to leave them to face a life of shame. I believe this was reflected in the message from Takeda, wherein he praised the skill of Kagetora thus honouring Yae as having fallen at the hands of a more than worthy adversary.
But I think his pity goes even deeper than that. What he pitied and what became her demise was her youth and naivete. As if she had sprung straight from the Tales of Genji, Yae had spurred her steed to enemy lines, clad in beautifully embroidered armor, and challenged them to a duel, all in fashion of those bygone chivalrous times. He's seen one too many youths, hearts burning with heroism, being trampled under hooves on muddy plains. She was living in a dream, a dream few wake from.
An honourable challenge, shamelessly shot down by a cowardly bullet, some might say. But what sense is there for a general of an army to run down into enemy range to face off in a duel, not for any tactical advantage, but solely for the purpose of fulfilling a storybook fantasy? If he were to be slain or gunned down, what would become of his men, his family, his homeland? If he were to come out alive and victorious, the only thing it would prove to his men would be that brash heroism merits glory.
But, I also want to argue that he did indeed respect her values in glory and honour. While all the soldiers were ridiculing the challenger, when Kagetora took his gun, no one was laughing. The least that bullet did, was spare everything from being a farce, his war and hers.
His decision can neither be judged right or wrong.
If she had lived would anything have changed? If she had been dragged off like a child, would she have sincerely faced her shame and immaturity? Or would her reckless bravado again afford her her own life, or cause the untimely death of another? From however much he knew of her, he made his decision.
Was there vengeance at play? I must arguably say no, but as an audience, I can't help but feel a sour tinge of frustration towards Lady Yae. Her picturesque admiration towards war seems to have made her sadly oblivious to real-life consequences. Albeit an accident, it was her inability to control her horse that indirectly caused Kagetora's loyal follower to be slain. You'd think she would have felt some sort of remorse, but she just rides off without even taking a glance back. And then later, there she was, flaunting her horsemanship in front of both armies in all her righteousness, like she was Amaterasu incarnate.
It's hard to believe any human being would take that without feeling an ounce of anger. But if Kagetora did have any grudges, he certainly didn't show it. He calmly readied his gun, took aim, and, without any haste or hesitation, pulled the trigger. And thereafter, his face betrayed not a single thread of content or regret. It was only a muted wave of pity that faltered his stern countenance.
Thats deep.
The movie is called "Heaven and Earth" if I remember it correctly. I saw this move when it first came out in 1990, almost 20 years ago and it was, as is now, an excellent movie.
*30 years ago
Thanks for posting the video.
I think he had to shot at her, because she had launched a direct challenge to him, but he could not accept the challenge, for it was coming from a woman, even if she was an Onna-bugeisha and a Samurai, he could not accept her challenge, but the challenge had been now launched and it could not remain without an answer, so he had to kill her using a musket. On the other side, she already knew she was going to die, as Takeda-sama knew that she would not have come back. This is an enchanting story a gem, about Samurai, honor, death and the mutual relation between honor and death in Bushidō. Thanks for sharing.
No, he knew she was too strong and he could not defeat her in a duel, nor his men. If they lost, their troop's morale would be simply over and battle lost entirely.
@@SilverforceX lul, I hope you are trolling, she was shot because she was stupid. First it was foolish and daring to charge the enemy like that, if not an arquebus then a Yumi could have taken lady Yae out, and she knew it. Lady Yae was gambling that title and honor would protect her, but as others have pointed out she had no Honor, riding up like that was an insult to the man that died in the snow because she is a shabby rider, thus she was killed like the dog she was.
Mate. Sometimes you just gotta watch the movie ....
Here's some context:
she is indirectly responsible for the death of one of his servants / friends ( even though really it wasn't her fault at all but she is why he died and they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time ). So he shot her for that.
@@lkvideos7181 That and the fact that Kagetora's friend died because she lost control of her horse in the snow. Her also putting on a show of how great her horsemanship is in this scene was doubly insulting.
This is why you don't bring a naginata to a gunfight.
大河ドラマでは出せない迫力がこの映画にはある。
Heaven and Earth. One of the most beautiful films I have ever watched.
I'm surprised nobody has commented this, but my I saw his reasoning for shooting her as follows:
(My interpretation)
This film is called "Heaven and Earth" and it is centered about Kagatora's inability to reconcile, being the noble, religious and morally correct protector of Echigo vs being the effective and decisive warlord he will need to be for Echigo to survive. His noble ideals are "Heaven", and our brutal nature is "Earth". At the start of the film he is a leader who hesitates in killing a mother and her child, culminating in becoming the leader we see here. Who is decisive and doesn't hesitate and shoots Lady Yae off her horse.
I saw Lady Yae and her contingent as the idyllic representation of Bushido honor and the "samurai way". What happens to them? To continue the over-arching theme of the film, they represent an ideal "Heaven" and they ultimately are killed by the brutal nature of war "Earth". While noble and idyllic they are ultimately ineffective and its deliberately tragic how their lives are thrown away.
In the movie the concept you describe is called ""Heaven and Earth"" but at essence it is the yin and the yang: Remember the round diagram with the black and white that interlock within themselves? That is the same thing.
So which is better? The Heaven or the Earth? Neither!!! But when you step on the BORDER of the two, ONLY then you can have the best of the both worlds and this is where the real victory is: Having the spirit to do great things (Heaven) but be practical how to do it in the most rational way (Earth).
@@marindraganov5897 I really like your analysis thank you!
Heaven and Earth is a samurai classic, one of the best I have seen.
My fave is still 'Ran' (Kurosawa).
I miss when Japan made movies like this, they've taken a turn for the weird in the 21st century. Must be something in the water.
Anime was an Mistake
t. Miyazaki
The “weird” Japanese media the rest of the world know of became more known to the rest of the world in the 90s. Alot of those things can be traced back even years before that. The only problem is that foreigners, especially westerners pick up on the weirdest trends from Japan that even Japanese people find weird and treat it as something thats common in Japan. Or, they completely misinterpret the meaning behind certain Japanese culture and trends to fit their own western narratives.
Not the water, the political atmosphere. Although it is in great part Tezuka's subversive manga's fault, and from here anime in general ; even "good" anime such as GinEiDen is essentially subversive (in this case due to overdoses of Rationalism).
@@atsukunisumeragi1967 Can you recommend any good samurai era anime, set in feudal Japan?
懐かしい このシーンよく印象に残ってると同時にどういう意味だったのか若い時に観てよく考えてた。 史実じゃなくても不思議なシーンだった。
相手を挑発して攻めるように誘いをかけているのです。挑発に乗らなかったとしても自らが殺されることで味方の士気が高まり相手の動揺を誘う。そのリスクを十分理解した上で銃撃した謙信と静観していた信玄。現代の感覚で言うとどちらもクズですが、一方で落馬した彼女の美しさが際立つ。
知ったかぶりの人多いな～。八重の一騎打ちの呼びかけに応じることは武士としては難しいのです。理由は剛腕の武士が女と闘って討ち取ってもなんの名誉にもならないから。そして万が一負けでもしたら取り返しがつかない不名誉で越後兵にとって迷惑なだけの八重の行動なのです。なので大将謙信自ら、しかも彼が大嫌いと言っていた鉄砲でわざわざ撃ち殺したのです。なによりも越後兵の部下の名誉を守るために。
Let's be honest here. We've all tried to snipe and canonball enemy generals with excitement and full prejudice in Shogun ^^
It's how Takeda Shingen (the general in red) actually die in the Kurosawa movie "Kagemusha".
Truly one of the greatest Samurai movies ever made. I just wish it would get a wider release I don't think I've ever seen a DVD version in the west, a few VHS floating around but nothing else sad just sad.
Yes agreed. I'd love to purchase this film somehow! Make you're you get Japanese kanji for the movie and use that to search. Full movie was up for a bit this year
Furthermore, the American version cuts out almost 20 minutes of footage which is terrible imo
I just want to point out that this film takes place in the period 1450-1550, and the lady and her retainers are armored as if it were 1250. She is a real poseur.
I love watching these film's even with the sub-titles!
my heart goes out to anyone who watches films with dubbing rather than the original language..... what a shame.
I have to say this film portrayed the formations very accurately!
In the final battel, both army use diffrent formation, and the general say, they use fromation "somthing" we have been deceived. What frormation did they use and why did one have an advantage, with my untrained eye, both use a line of battel with reserves behind the main line.
Thank you, UA-cam algorithm. You did good today.
Killing the girl forced the Takeda to retreat, winning the battle and saving lives short term on both sides.
"Heaven and Earth," one of the finest movies ever made. 😎👍👍
I remember watching this and falling in love with it back in the 90's, but could never find a copy to own.
After seeing this clip I really want a copy of this movie, but it is basically unavailable unless one is independently wealthy.
I think you can find it subbed on youtube, sometimes they're removed because of copyright though.
The scope of this movie. The landscape. The scale....my lord...
家臣：この距離では届きませぬぞ。しかも、御屋形様、火縄に火がついておりませんぞ！
It was a clash of philosophy, between the world of the warrior and its chivalry and honor and the world of the soldier and its desire for total victory no matter the cost. See Mr. Machiavelli if you have any further questions.
謎の映画の中でも謎のシーン
This film looks so gorgeous, how hadn't I heard about it?
"You may attack us in the rear."
Can't tell if sick burn, or overly polite.
sound like "you may show us how dishonorable you are by backstabbing us"
@@DalvaWolf That is about right.
2:37 There, my friends, is the first recorded instance of the verbal "burn".
Kenshin is a hard scope camper. XD
@vidman163 Maybe but you must admit to hit a moving target like with a musket is pretty impressive. :)
she was barely moving, that was the cheapest shot ever.
@Tranhoang Long he probably practiced a lot
Kenshin putting up that W anyway he can.
finally he shot his doe
まあ財前（女武者）でも部下を殺された謙信の仇討みたいな側面がありますからね・・・。（この前編に当たる二時間ドラマの方で、謙信が出奔するときの雪道で財前の馬が暴れて謙信の部下が無礼討ちにあったんですね・・・・（馬に蹴り殺されたかどっちか））
そのシーンはドラマではなく映画本編の方ですよ。
大人しい感じの女優さんと思っていたがこの時はめちゃ勇ましくて驚いた記憶がある。
man that is some nice looking armor they have on
Movies like this show how STUPID was, for example, The Last Samurai premise that Japanese soldiers "never" came in contact with firearms prior events in the movie very loosely based on the Boshin War and final end of the Shogunate in Japan... when it was Nobunaga who first introduced firearms and artillery bought from Portugal to his troops, and later on many of the Daimios adopted firearms use in their troops with Tokugawa on the top.
That was one reason i refused to even watch The Last Samurai. Japan had never come in contact with firearms...HELLO, BATTLE OF NAGASHINO?! SEKI fucking GAHARA? Old Shingen himself was said to have written treatises on the proper strategic uses of gunlines.
Samurais we’re Preparing for a Battle One Day At a Time!
Weird to think this was filmed in Canada with mostly Canadian extras.
There probably aren't that many horses in all of Japan.
@@billhahn4113 not enough trained horses for movie.
how do you know this?
@@yoyoma2831 it was shot outside Lethbridge, Alberta. I had the film poster. You could see the Richardson ground squirrels on the prairie grass, wondering wtf was going on!!!!
@@dwightstjohn6927 lol
Kenshin's left hand man should have said "We don't beat woman." In feudal Japan, a woman inviting a challenge would be taken as an insult to a man, whatmore when the man in question is a warlord.
Watching her get blown off her horse like that is one of the saddest and wasteful things I have ever seen on film.
Heart wrenching.
Heart wrenching was it. Actually it's impossible to kill anyone from that distance with that archbuss rife.
for me it was heartbroken so i don't have a choice shoot her. it's not my intention to kill her
@@thrudgelmirkenshin3267 lol are you the actor????
@@samisam7190 nope i'm The real Daimyo.
@@thrudgelmirkenshin3267 didn't understand???
中学生のときに映画館で観ました。広すぎる平原には子供ながらに違和感を覚えました。カナダでの撮影とは聞いていましたが
この作品って金だけはあったよな。
演出と脚本は何もかも酷すぎたけど
失敗した点は
・この後出てくる女武者達が果敢に上杉軍に突撃するが鎧袖一触で屠られる
・謎の太鼓をならすだけの武田の部隊が無駄に護衛も連れず戦場に出てきて無抵抗に上杉軍に屠られる
・上杉謙信の突撃を武田軍が誰も止めようとせず、本陣に突撃を許す。その上、芭蕉で刀を受け止める信玄の描写もなく本陣は空。なんかチャンバラ(実際殺陣として未熟にも程がある)して信玄敗北。何故かトドメを刺さず謙信は本陣へ凱旋(何故か武田軍は道をあける)。
役者さんをバカにはしたくないけど、あまりにも酷い出来だったわ。キャストの乗馬だけは本当に上手かったし音楽は良かったかなぁって思える作品かな
『甲陽軍鑑』では軍配で床几に座った信玄が、馬上の謙信の太刀を受け止める描写となってますが、『北越軍談』では馬上の一騎打ちとなってますし、その場面も古くから描かれてますから間違いではないんですよ。
@@前田悟-q4t
北越軍談でも「初太刀をば軍配団扇を以て受留め、伐折られたり」と初太刀は芭蕉で受け止めてるよ
Heaven and Earth...That movie....Lady Yae and Uesugi's significant one were strong in their own ways.I miss this movie.
In a similar scene in this same movie, leading the Takeda army at another of the Battles of Kawanakajima is a drum-beating procession of Shinto monks, drummer boys, and priestesses carried on portable shrine palanquins. The vivid taiko procession is probably supposed to attract and thunderously proclaim the divine protection of the gods upon the advancing army. Kagetora's arquebus picket line simply guns down the sacred palanquins, drummer boys, and the white-robed priestesses, coldly showing the real value of divine protection in the new era of gunpowder. The Portuguese matchlock musket had first appeared at Tanegashima only ten years before the first Battle of Kawanakajima, but its rapid spread after Japanese weapons smiths reverse-engineered it was changing the nature of samurai warfare.
Thank you. You've summed up why the ideological interpretations of the event actually short-change the cultural dimension of the story. It is rarely acknowledged that the sword wasn't the primary weapon of the Samurai. It was the Bow. So, using this range weapon to kill was an honourable act if the requisite ritual was observed between equals. The arrival of firearms changed that. Lady Yae perhaps clung into an outmoded model of engagement, and paid the price.
財前直見カッコ良かったなあ！
Takeda Shingen was one of my Jpn idol.
my favorite is Uesugi Kenshin.
after Tokugakwa,
there is no fun any more!!
What about Oda Nobunaga?
yall are sleeping on the shimazu zzzzzzzzzzz
its not because of revenge, Kagetora shot her because she cross the boundary line (the river). you can see Kagetora take that gun when lady Yae is at the river. Lady Yae know that her action will claim her life but she determine to do it anyways in the hope that the battle will begin.
The scene is so beautiful
I have no idea how this movie only has a 7.1 on IMDB, people really have no taste.
Lesson.. Don't bring a blade to a gun fight...
I watched this a couple of times on the action channel in the early 2000's. I really enjoyed it. You guys need to watch the whole movie to understand the real reason why he killed her. He does do something bad in the movie but he's sickened by it and wants to give up war. I don't want to spoil anything but you should watch the whole movie if you like this clip.
Wow.. even in battle they still bow and respect!!!
to bow and to respect was learned first in battle. you bow to show submission. showing your neck without seeing other also demonstrate trust
this clips are life some day ill watch the movie i swear
Wait wait wait .... lot of people taking this completly out of context here. This is why he actualy shot her:
earlier in the movie Kagetora ( the guy who shoots Lady Yae ) had given up his life as samurai and was about to leave his home province when some servants track him down and try to convince him to return. But as it happens, suddenly Takeda and his army pass by and some snow accidently falls onto Lady Yae from a tree. Her horse goes crazy and as Kagetora raises his staff to protect himself and his servants from being trampled over, Takeda's son Taro approaches and starts hitting him. One of the servants get's in the way to protect Kagetora and Taro lethaly strikes him with his sword.
It's still a dumb arse reason imo because while she was the cause, it wasn't her fault. Shit just happened out of pure coincidence. But it's still the actual reason he did that.
This is the scene if anyone is interested to watch at 9:47 timestamp ua-cam.com/video/rbJ8o8MMATY/v-deo.html
上杉謙信はこんな卑怯な人ではありません。
史実は別として、ua-cam.com/video/5KpUFSvb61Q/v-deo.html が背景にある。
部下を失った謙信の心情が分からないでもない。
敢えて撃たれに行ったのですよ。
現代人には理解し難いですが、昔の人は死を尊いものとして捉えていたのです。
八重のその尊い気持ちを理解して受け入れた謙信の行動は潔い。
Excellent depiction of the utility of female samurai in medieval Japanese warfare.
このシーンの一部は劇場版でカットされてますよね
(陣を構えて既に何日…
八重に言い返す謙信の家臣の場面)
Date Masamune's armour was a slight replica of one of Uesugi Kenshin's many pieces of armour. In fact Kenshin even had European armour.
I thought that was Ieayasu who modeled it after European single plate? Wait, no, Euro armor when the samurai could get some really was popular, so perhaps...
Even on the battle they respected each other, damn...
The words from the messenger in the end of the movie show the respect for the enemy and touch me most.
The movie explain everything why don't send out cav with river penalty against matchlock...art of war =P
I have seen this movie and love the story about Uesugi Kenshin and Takeda Shingen, I recommend this movie =)
Yeah and unlike the low budget war movies we see from Japan nowadays, this movie was produced with a lot of satisfying war scenes.
nomooon title of the movie please
daigo hakurio heaven and earth , made in 1990, main character is uesugi kenshin
Movie is called Heaven and Earth
Honor is just a word, and if I am going to die for word, my word's poontang.
Honor is not a word.and be original and come up with a word your own instead of stealing it from a movie. Full metal jacket
@@samisam7190 imagine getting this salty over a random youtube comment lol
@@joehill4094 I can imagine
You got cought in a state of unoriginality..
In the samurai warrior 🇯🇵 days, female samurai warriors wasn't worthy to be called a samurai but yet she's actually called a warrior. Only male samurai warriors were actually worthy to be called a samurai. She can actually dress up like a samurai warrior, carry 2 samurai swords, ranks, and also have a samurai warrior armor. And still she's actually called a warrior 🇯🇵 not a samurai.
財前直見さん、今でも頑張ってますよね！
宮沢りえにしか見えなかった＠＿＠；
沢口靖子に見えた
that arquebus should have missed her LOL. Its a Movie after all.
映像そのものや、出ている俳優は一流。ストーリーや構成は五流。
I think she realised that war had changed, times had changed- the old ways were going to die and it was time for her to die as well.
I read that a Teppo Commander is the second highest honor that one can have and being a great marksman would surely bring forth honor. Nothing Cowardly about it. Duels were only commonplace during the Gempei Wars. Sengoku Warfare tend to be alot messier and less "honorable".
Sorry, but that doesn't make it less cowardly.
Dead is dead, she was a FOOL and had it coming to her. Worse to be a FOOL than an coward hahah
Sengoku period warfare was not just conquest but a war of attrition. Weakening the armies of one's opponents would have been critical in any winning strategy. Even if some escaped, the loss of enemy troops to one's concentrated firearms would spare one's own. Honour was less important than winning.
@@lkvideos7181 War is not about who is right, but who is left.
So that's how you talk to an enemy who carries a rifle into a sword fight.
謙信が女敵将を撃ち取った狙いは、謙信の女敵将に対する敬意の表し方だった、、、と読む。
このバージョンではカットされちゃっているようですが、別バージョンでは射撃前に景虎は「女がてらに小賢しき」と言っているのでウザイと単に思っただけな様です。
しかも謙信はこの映画の冒頭部分で”遠くから足軽が武将を簡単に打ち殺す鉄砲は、武士道に反しているから嫌い”と言う趣旨に会話の場面がありますので、そこから言えることは敬意などは全く無く、うざい！殺す！ってむしろ侮蔑のシーンです。（そう思った理由は後半に書きます）
そしてヤエを撃ち取られらた晴信は、わざわざ仰々しい使者を送ってイヤミを言って去る。
そういう互いに相容れぬそれぞれの武士道（方や晴信が女武者参戦してもOK（戦場に女連れ）という、当時の武士道からするとかなり自由奔放な武田に対して、方や自毘沙門天の化身が行う神聖な戦いという強い想いがある景虎）の価値観の違いが表れているシーンなのです。
またこういう点も大きいです。八重の一騎打ちの呼びかけに応じることは武士としては難しいのです。理由は剛腕の武士が女と闘って討ち取ってもなんの名誉にもならないから。そして万が一負けでもしたら取り返しがつかない不名誉で越後兵にとって迷惑なだけの八重のうざい挑発行動（本人真面目に勝負したくても越後側はそう受け取る）なのです。
なので大将謙信自ら、しかも彼が大嫌いと言っていた鉄砲でわざわざ撃ち殺したのです。なによりも越後兵の部下の名誉を守るために。
Scale of this scene is immense. Ten To Chi To
probably, he shot her because she partly caused the death of kenshin's subordinate in the forest.
Jerry Tan a panicked horse caused that incident.
小賢しき真似を。。ってマスケット射撃の前に言うんだが時流の流れなのかカットされてる。。
Back to the kitchen.
この静と動な感じ嫌いじゃない
When you suddenly hear the "Lone Ranger soundtrack: Finale" from Hans Zimmer being played on an instrument in the beginning
This was a powerful scene but through all the comments no one says the name of the movie
Heaven and Earth
Personally, I'm amused by the "enemy scout" remark during Yae's approach when the army is in clear view. If I were to send a scout, I wouldn't send in full frontal view of the enemy army. ^_~
Translation challenge... an advanced party, probing not specifically scouting stealthily
Ignorant of true intent. Translations aren't always perfect.
@@NOVemberMan-Esq it means scout party when used as a noun. Roman scouts were light cavalry. This is no different
Lady Yae - 2024
Seems that Lady Yae forgot the old saying: Never bring a samurai sword to a gun fight.
That matchlock is not suppose to be that accurate. Spray and Pray in the hand of peasant. But Kenshin just got "lucky" and "skill", that's all.
@@LoweSilvercross If you're skilled enough you can compensate for the inaccuracy pretty well, it's not like it's gonna go off on a 90 degree angle. But, there was definitely some luck involved here too.
She assumed wrongly that he was a man of honor.
@@LoweSilvercross Yep. Smoothbores weren't exactly known for being accurate at long range and were more useful for making a wall of lead for some poor formation to get shredded by. In his defense, though, the samurai supposedly did have some really damn fine sharpshooters among them.
Although she was laughed at for being a woman, Kenshin recognized her as a samurai and shot her.
この動画の始まるところで兵士の一人が、草笛で小室哲哉さんの「天と地と」を吹いてますね。
Aaaah that shot was sooo satisfying
よく見ると女武者八重が乗っている馬が変わっていますね。撮影中、馬にアクシデントがあったのでしょうか？合戦シーンでは馬達も頑張っていますよね。中にはケガをした馬もいたでしょう。この馬達こそ、影の主役です。エールを送りたいです。
n m 、と。が多くて読みずらい…
OUR MAN ARE RUNNING FROM THE BATTLEFIELD!
A SHAMEFUR DISPRAY
Is that nice???
Ian Cabugsa watch the full movie then butt hurt if you want
Brian Morales Why are you butt Hurt?
I think he's referring a game called: Total war Shogun 2
yes he is :P
Nute Gunray would love this Kagetora fellow