Battle of Kawanakajima #2 (18 October 1561) - Takeda clan vs Uesugi clan
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Cut from Japanese movie "Ten to Chi to" (Heaven and Earth) 1990.
The battles of Kawanakajima (川中島の戦い Kawanakajima no tatakai) were fought in the Sengoku period of Japan between Takeda Shingen of Kai Province and Uesugi Kenshin of Echigo Province in the plain of Kawanakajima, "the island between the rivers", in the north of Shinano Province. The location is in the southern part of the present-day city of Nagano. Five major battles took place there: Fuse in 1553, Saigawa in 1555, Uenohara in 1557, Hachimanbara in 1561, and Shiozaki in 1564. The best known and most severe among them was fought on October 18, 1561, and was only fought in the heart of the Kawanakajima plain, thus being the "battle of Kawanakajima". The battles were fought after Shingen conquered Shinano, expelling Ogasawara Nagatoki and Murakami Yoshikiyo, who subsequently turned to Kenshin for help. The battles became one of the most cherished tales in Japanese military history, the epitome of Japanese chivalry and romance, mentioned in epic literature, woodblock printing and movies.
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....but you didn't create anything here. You just uploaded someone else's work.
@@adambane1719 indeed. Had he even bothered to create subtitles, THAT would have been something. I mean, what about the -- I don't know -- 8 or 9 of us who might have been lured to this video by the fact that the title is in English, discover that the clip is in Japanese and has no subtitles, and DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE? Let him fix THAT litle oversight before asking for money.
@@adambane1719 Ññppppppñññrabo
4⁴@@adambane1719
映像が迫力あり過ぎるよ。
今のＣＧじゃこんなガチなのには到底敵わない。
天と地と。
素晴らしい映画でした。この頃の日本は元気があり、希望に満ち溢れた時代だったなぁ。
ドラマも映画も、素晴らしい。
Americans never allowed Japanese to make such movies again . They had to contend with bringing movies like Ton Cruise in Last Samurai .
津川さん演じる武田信玄VS榎本さん演じる上杉謙信。こうした名演技が出来る俳優が、本当に少なくなりました。「気」が伝わってくる津川さんや榎本さん、勝 新太郎さん、藤田まことさん、渡辺謙さんのような時代劇で活躍出来る名優の登場を、心待ちにしています。
I once read that the two leaders of both clans were great rivals. But they had a nice rivalry, because when one of the two died one of them cried for the death of this one.
but they did not cry for the thousands of poor slobs that did the actual fighting and died in the process !
lol!
They both will cry if china army marching near them.
@@cohendarwin5365 lol what a stupid comment
@@cohendarwin5365 found the ccp shill
@@machopi ah i found bastard of products Japanese army raped women in ww2. Keep growing your weeaboo spirit.
細かいストーリーはともかく、この合戦シーンのスケールは当時とても衝撃的でした。
小室哲哉氏の『炎』の音楽がまた合戦をとても盛り上げてくれたのも印象に残ります。
劇中、謙信の
『運は天にあり、鎧は胸にあり、手柄は足にある。命を惜しむな！名こそ惜しめ！！』
のセリフにもしびれましたね。
Our general is in grave danger my Lord!!!
our men are running from the battlefield, shameful display!
LOL
Oh my god.. I can hear his voice inside my head..
my lord a victory will soon be ours
I’m playing this game😂
Am I the only one amazed here because of the amount of people (And horses!!) this guys used in this movie!?
Its Japan, all functions are as groups. No one gets singled out. Amazing - like their swords, women and art.
Did not know that many of them rode horses.
This was one of the most expensive movies ever produced in Japanese cinema
ニュージーランドで撮影しました。エキストラや馬はニュージーランドで調達しています。
MY LORD A GLORIOUS VICTORY SOON WILL BE YOURS!
OUR MEN ARE RUNNING FROM THE BATTLEFIELD, MY LORD.
A SHAMEFUL DISPLAY!
a *cutting* blow
We must defeat clan oda this port is ours !
@@BOCBUD and we shall be white castles in every town. We shall destroy the nasty McDonald's.
I WANT NO MAN RUNNING FROM THE BATTLEFIELD!
謙信vs信玄一騎討ちのシーンは「甲陽軍鑑」ではなく「北越軍記」の記述による「馬上での切り合い」ですね。第四次川中島合戦は甲越両軍三千の死傷者を出す死闘でしたが、このような物語を我々日本人は持っているということに深い感慨を覚えます。
But sadly you are an American colony now with no pride left.
11歳の時に映画館で観ましたが、30年経った今でも色褪せず、興奮冷めやらずの迫力ですね。
さすが往年の角川映画！今ではこんな合戦シーンは不可能だろうなぁ…。
金無いから、日本人。
岸田のせい。
@@石川島療養所ｱﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬﾋｬ
第四次合戦の迫力は充分。信玄が謙信の怖さを震撼したのもこの時だろう。紀州本に見られる川の中の太刀打ちも再現されてたし
両役者さんも良かったです。角川さんずいぶんお金かけましたね。
stay away from my cat
角川映画「天と地と」…本当にお金かけている。当時のキャッチコピーだった「赤と黒のエクスタシー」は少年期の私には凄いインパクトありました。
CGまだ使われてない頃なので実にいいですね。
映画館で観ましたが、妻女山を下ってくる越軍の足音と
美しい四季が凄く印象に残ってます。
It must be an awesome experience for all the actors and extras when filming all the battle scenes. Riding along with hundreds other horsemen wearing Samurai armor with infantries fighting each other left and right
野戦最強と言われた上杉軍に女性部隊が正面から挑むシーンにも注目してほしいね。
(1:06-2:21)
Such beautiful music just tears my heart out......
😔true
A courageous but doomed effort, and the soundtrack makes the scene a real tear-jerker for me.
No CGI
Fantastic
だめだ、鳥肌が立ちすぎて止まないぞこれ
I recently found about the Takeda - Shingen feud and their famous battles. Love the story and the historical background is really fascinating. Both Takeda and Shingen are very dramatic characters.
Takeda and Shingen were the same person, the other guy was named Kenshin/Kagetora.
鉄砲が導入される前の戦いが一番熱い
The Uesugi under Uesugi Kenshin are portrayed very theatrically at the very end ... the Takeda forces open a way of honor for him. It is beautiful but not accurate to say the least. His entire force had to fight its way out of that trap that Takeda Shingen had conceived of prior to the battle. That was very costly for Uesugi Kenshin. The Takeda army was not the only army tremendously weakened at this battle.
Michael Navarro Way of honor. I thought they were just scared.
yeah, that final scene is beautiful
Shingen planned an envelopment and an ambush against Kenshin. The problem is that kenshin found out about the ambush and went straight to Shingen. This kawanakajima battle was extremely costly for both sides. Something like 30 percent casualties both sides. A literal bloodbath.
KEIREI!!! That was one hell of a battle! BEAUTIFUL!!!
やはり❗️私は、この謙信公が好きです❗️我が自ら先頭に立って、敵陣にっこむ❗️❗️其れは、戦国時代誰一人居なかった❗️その神かがりな戦闘義~やすがです❗️❗️
戦場での上杉謙信の戦術眼は特出したものがある。まさに戦の天才。
Great extra fight that they made between Kenshin and Takeda here after Kenshin break straight into Takeda camp and almost got Takeda himself.
For an old dude, Shingen was pretty good in a swords duel with his significantly younger looking enemy.
Years of battle experience.
Fear the old guy in a profession where people die young
「赤と黒のエクスタシー。」懐かしい
At 8:17 it hit me how different actions scenes are filmed depending on the country of origin here in America its usually all hardcore or intense music but here it just makes you feel like it's a form of art not just them bashing swords.
Attention to detail is insane. Those bits of western armour they incorporated into their own harness can all be seen here
Глава клана Уесуги плакал на похоронах Такеды, называя его лучшим из врагов
たまらん❗️⤴️これぞ戦国‼️ 泣けてくる⁉️⤴️upにexcellent❗️⤴️⤴️感謝にござる。
カナダは広いし馬も数多く使える エキストラは人種が異なり見えちゃマズイから雑兵まで全員面頬着用 北方種の木々も含め違和感あり 集団戦で最初から太刀で切り合う不思議さ 何のための甲冑 でも急な代役の謙信も含めCGにない迫力はさすがでした
上杉軍の突撃開始の場面がBGM含めてかっこいい。旗がなびく演出も良い
超震撼，超有氣勢的說！
Great battle! Like and support! Thanks for sharing!
この時代の我々はまさにスーパーサイヤ人のようであったのだ。
Imagine been an actor of these scene ! Chillsss !
經翻譯 原來是武田信玄 川中之戰 我非常賞識武田 勇猛戰鬥 歷史故事 讚！讚！讚！💯👍😘 Wonderful 💯👍🤗
モーゼの海を割る様なラストの上杉軍の進撃割れる武田軍 CGではなく全員本物（現地で大量のボランティア募集で集めた）バブル期真っ只中の角川らしい映画
エキストラ６万人、馬二万頭を動員したとか
すごいシーンだ！！！
アメリカかカナダでもロケがあったらしく、エキストラは現地の方々。
日本語がわからないから、「TOYOTA！」とか「HONDA！」などと叫んでいたとか。
この戦で山本勘助と弟信繁を失ったのは武田の最大の損失だった。
しかし、この後も第五次川中島の合戦も含め武田、上杉のにらみ合いは続く。
勝頼が滅亡には、川中島一帯は上杉領になるんだよね。
This movie portrays Takeda Shingen as a fool (while he was one of, if not the greatest strategists Japan would ever see), his men weak (while the Takeda cavalry was the greatest in Japan at the time), and Uesugi Kenshin as a cold, calculated killer (In reality, Kenshin had just come out of being a devout Buddhist monk).
In reality he is, Kenshin is also famous for his brutality and extensive massacre, internal purge and slave trading, though it is a norm for Sengoku Daimyo to trade slaves, but Kenshin and Shigen came out on top as the biggest slavers, but it is true that Shigen is not fool, both are expedient ruler who does not hesitate to loot, pillage and sold captives from conquered territory, in Takeda clan's documents captives are referred as human goods, and they were part of the booty during the designated three day loot and pillage period after battle, in which soldiers can freely loot the surroundings of battlefield.
I agree, a really great Depiction of Shingen, his Tactics and his Army was the original Timeslip/GI Samurai that starred (Sonny) Chiba Shinichi.
いつの映画か知らないけど凄い金掛けてるな
今じゃ絶対に出来ない。
金かけても、そもそも日本国内にこんだけ鎧着て乗馬出来る人間集められないだろうに。
バブル期の角川映画ですね…当時の社長の角川春樹さんがめちゃくちゃお金をかけた「天と地と」です。
これはカナダで撮影されたんだよ。従って顔の見えない武者はカナダ人。体格も良くて馬乗りも優れた人々が向こうにはたくさんいるからね。
いずれにしても二度とこのような大作は日本では出来ないと思いますよ。
@@osarasan このスーパー資金力を駆使して黒澤明監督に監督してもらいたかったなあ。
この映画確かBGMを担当したのが小室哲哉だったはず。
I, along with many others, always thought of 'What if' scenarios if a Medieval European Army (say mid to late 1400's) fought against a Samurai army.
@@adambednarek7146 Meaning neither side will win?
Japanese army would likely to lose due to inferior armour and weaponary (Japanese during the early Muromachi period were still not very accustomed to long polearms like pike, while the prominent naginata and nagamaki are not suited for formations, unlike halberd, which is a major weakness), and the lack of heavy cavalry would be devastating, in terms of firearms, european army would have better artillery but Japanese would likely to have more explosives, but even for late Sengoku army it would br difficult to face contemporary European army dur to the lack of cavalry and field artillery, while the Japanese yari tactics are basically useless against pike formations, the only aspect that Japanese army can compete with were muskets, but to be fair, musket by itself are not very effective, and one thing about Sengoku army is the low morale as most soldier were accustomed to fleeing even before battle, it was not uncommon at the time to see an army of 10000 men when call to arms reduced to few thousand because the enemy was said to be outnumbering.
@@fsdds1488 i agree on early muromachi period when army formations and tactics with great numbers not developed much.
but in late sengoku period or 16th century,i think probably only major factor is terrain(in japan japanese would win,in europe european woud win).
in close combat it would be pretty much even no european melee weapon can penetrate japanese armour and same with japanese.both armours have almost similar weak points and method of killing a knight and samurai are almost same(subdue your opponent with grappling,find weak spot,take him out with dagger?knife?)
europe has artillery and advantage because of more experience and development but in mountanious japanese terrain transporting it and deploying it to effective position is very difficult thats why japan didnt use much artillery(and i admit they dont have raw material for that so they have it with trade)
same with cavalry(japan s geography is not much suitable for it) sure,japanese had cavalry but not in great numbers(latest research says takeda cavalry is kinda myth they exists but not in great numbers)and development of gunpowder ended cavalry superiority in europe right?
and actually japanese are more advantageous with arquebus(its controversial i guess,both sides claim they are the superior)most of the japan is rainy and japanese arquebus are usable in rainy weathers or atleast more durable to rain.
by numbers japan slightly outnumbers european army even though europe has more population since japan would be in at least 200 years of civil war so almost every peasent has combat experience(not necessarily in battlefield,most of them independently fought against other villages for survival,if there is a war nearby peasants arm themselves and hunt the defeated warriors for loot)
i know europe is also at war but time to time some parts are safe and peaceful
what im trying to say is geography decides who wins in general.(sorry for bad english)
Mid to late 1400s? Not even a fair match. The Japanese would simply get stomped by heavy European cavalry while not having counter-meassures like the English longbow or pike formations.
My questions are these: "What era Samurai Army are you talking about?" When I imagine the Japanese art of war at its highest form, I picture the late Sengoku period. If you put a force from that era up against a European army from the mid to late 1400's, I think they might fair better than the other commenters give them credit for. It would not take them long to recognize that the Knights had superior armor, and while that might win the 1st battle for the Europeans, I doubt it could win them the war. There are a number of noted battles where the Japanese employed field-works to negate the advantages of cavalry, creating obstacles behind which arquebusiers and bowmen could cut them down.
The other thing to consider is that while movies such as this focus on mounted samurai with yari, a Daimyo could undoubtedly field a sizable force of mounted archers instead. Mounted archers had long been the bane of European Knights, as they could easily evade their charges until the heavy warhorses were blown (out of breath and exhausted). I admit that 14th Century armor is superior at stopping arrows to what the knights of the Crusade-era had, but I would also submit that Japanese longbows had more penetrative power (though certainly not as much as an English longbow). Bullets, however, are another matter...
"Where is the European army from?" Not all European armies are identical - an army from 14th Century France is different from 14th Century Sweden, etc, etc. Personally, I think that facing an English army, with its many units of longbows, would prove devastating for the Samurai.
But the last thing that must be considered is the critical issue of morale. The Knights were brave (sometimes to the level of foolhardiness) but most of the infantry in the typical European army of the period were ill-trained and unreliable troops. I think
the fact that the morale of the Samurai armies was higher over-all, is best illustrated by the very casualty counts reported from this battle (if they can be believed). The Takeda force is said to have suffered 72% killed or wounded, the Uesugi 62%. For a battle where the majority of the losses would have been inflicted in melee, that's appallingly high. To fight on that long without breaking would have been inconceivable for a European force of that period.
Nice video enjoyed! Well done 👍
Having read shogun ( in it's entirety yet!) Thought this was great. Need subtitles though for the non Nippon speaking gaijin.😊
People from the past they all BRAVE, unlike today mens
the best mod for shogun2 I ever seen so far
i've watched this before. i think it's from "heaven and earth." magnificent and spectacular ...
The fellow with the white armour and white horse in a sea of black is the bravest man there...I'm puzzled that there were no archers or horse archers...but then I'm no expert
Well, in that era horse archers were becoming obsolete, guns were taking over... But you would see a lot of foot longbowmen that unfortunately did not make an appearance in this
@@EduardoFerreira-gi7wo they were pushing the horse budget already (last I checked this film had the most horses on film in history) which is why probably why they couldn't afford bows
@@EduardoFerreira-gi7wo Oda Nobunaga would bury the famed Takeda Cavalry at Nagashino using his mastery of the rifle and thus, the Demon King continues his unstoppable rise to power
@@michaelbandada9887 that was after the death of Takeda Shingen . His son Katsuyori fought at Nagashino
@@michaelbandada9887 The incidents of the film 'Kagemusha'?
Very nice bloodbath. :)As on such a small territory they managed to be divided on clans?
Many clans were in feudal Japan. This is from Sengoku period.
Japan is bigger than Great Britain and Germany, and these countries also were divided in feuds/kingdoms.
Around 20 clans or more
Am I tripping or I see a choshu clan
Idk@@Peashooter_828
こいつら、ほんと仲いいよな…
The men fought bravely that day
I'd like to know more about the group of Takeda warriors on white horses who appear starting around :48 or so, before riding off with great courage and honor, to their certain doom. They appear to be women? I know female Samurai, while uncommon, did exist.
カッコいい〜😊
今の自分はうつ病と神経ボロボロと診断されたけど、なんか言葉に言い表せないけど、男の心を教えられます。
Great Video My friend keep trying
I am always with you
凄い☆ソダシがいっぱい居る♡
合戦があったのは、1561年9月9日未明から10日にかけてです。
Great shots! What is the film?
i think it's called, "heaven and earth." i've watched the whole movie. it's spectacular
*Good To See. Hello All Music Lovers.*
この合戦のシーン上杉側・武田側合わせて合計何人くらいのエキストラで撮影しているんだろう
合わせたら1万人以上いるのかな
Cast of thousands. They don't make movies like this anymore. 😢 Now it's all CGI
榎木孝明かっこえーなぁ
The duel starts at 07:00
i like to imagine the entire fight, the black team is tearing the red team a new ass, but at the end the Red team seem to be victory
언제나 봐도 잘 만들었다 good
Was the suicide charge of the young warriors real at the start of the fight? No one here talks about his courage and sacrifice (if it really happened). Honor and glory to the beautiful girls!
天と地と で信玄を演じてたのは津川さんだったんだ、葵三代でもすごかったけど、こっちでもすごい演技してるね
あと大谷の兜で有名なった丸武産業で今もあるけど、この時納品された謙信の当世具足かっこよくて本気で購入考えたこともあったな
the actor as Shingen look like the actor as Ieyasu during sekigahara
His name is Tsugawa Masahiko.
@@susierock8341
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戦って、こんな感じやったんやろな。
神々の戦い…恐るべし。
Spoiler Alert: most of the horse scenes were filmed in southern Alberta. The only way you could get that many mounted warriors was hire all the cowboys with their own horses, and dress them up!! (I have a poster from the movie, and in the corner you can see Richardson ground squirrels looking confused. (endemic to Alberta prairies.)
is this legit?
The Japanese do love their banners.
amadeusamwater It was a mark
Banners maintain morale.
It not only boost morale but it helps the commanders to keep track of battalions as let face it...a battle in these times were really messing and it is sometimes difficult to see which ones are the enemy and who are friendly.
今のNHKの大河ドラマ。最低このくらいのエキストラ雇ってドラマ制作した方がいいな。合戦シーンなんてほとんどないし。民放含めて安いバス旅、徒歩、大盛飯たかりでは、、、
Tiger of Kai was the greatest japanese general because he was the first to study lao tzu.
老子ではなく、孫子です。
孫子は中国の古典、東洋のマキャベリズムの兵法書。
So good
Very nice horse riding show. But you forgot to paste the battle
Subtitles or narration along the way would have been nice
Can this be translated to English? It looks cool
@Von Staufenberg thanks for advise
It has been translated and released with English subtitles
激しい闘いだった。
Very nice!
Brave onnabushi 🔥♥️
気付いたら奥歯噛み締めてました!
女武者隊の出オチっぷりに「？？？」となってしまったし、ここにいる殆どの兵士が所謂「正規兵」じゃないのが辛い
Nice video my friend! 👌🙂Like! 👍👍👍
I hope they make this movie again
I saw this movie 35 years ago still attractive
최강의 기병대 다케다 신겐 대 우에스기 겐신의 가와나카지마 전쟁 장면이군요. 이 칼싸움 기병대 전쟁영화 제목이 뭔가요?
『天と地と』
great
take notes hollywood this is how you make a movie without that bullshit cgi
Big likeeee
Very cool video
best mounted combat scene in a movie
I’m disappointed they didn’t show takeda using his fan to deflect the blows
打ってでろから信玄はあっさり引きましたね。