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I wish someone would make a modern pistol in 7.62x25.
Dominion Arms (Norinco) does, the P762 (7.62x25 clone of the SIG P226, 17 rd double stack & etc @ ~ $400 Canadian each). The bad news? You can’t, under any circumstances, legally import one into the states (Chinese Manufacture + SIG IP infringement, as it’s understood).
Speaking of, I’d love to see someone work one over good and proper and maybe a tear down comparison to the P226? I truly do wonder what it took to turn a Sig into the P762 and what it would take to replicate (safely/reasonably) down here.
I'd give damn near anything to have something chambered in this caliber maybe a dig 226 or berreta 92/96
SIG!
Same here. If the super-cheap ammo had stuck around a little longer, someone here in the US may have tackled it, but it would have taken some work. Unfortunately, it's not an easy conversion for most existing firearms either due to the overall length of the cartridge.
@@p.michaelchambers4429 Thanks man. You just gave me a gun to look up. It sounds kinda cool.
The ol’ pocket rifle
Nattleby ahhh yeaaahh.
Agree with you... 😎
Absolutely
My second handgun ever. Still remember the day I ordered it from Century - girl on the phone told me they were on sale for $169 and came with a spare 9mm barrel. I don’t often shoot it, but I love it and have many great memories blasting 7.62x25 from back when it was insanely cheap. I thought many college buddies how to shoot with it. Keep up the great vids, guys.
Got one for $99 at Moss pawn a long time ago.
Got mine for 500$ last week… oh well. Only one shop in my city had it. None had the ammo tho lol
Yep same here 500
It’s not delayed, it is roller locked, short recoil. HK made a delayed roller lock gun can’t remember what it’s called and Korth currently makes the PRS which is roller delayed blowback. But the CZ-52 is Short Recoil Roller Locked action. The barrel and slide are locked together by the rollers for the first little bit of travel until the locking block and barrel is stopped and allows the rollers to unlock.
I know you know this Eric, but others may not so I thought I’d point it out. I’m a huge CZ fan and the cz52 is one of my favorites
EDIT: the HK P9 was true roller delayed action just like an mp5, G3, Cetme, etc. the only currently in production traditional style pistol that uses a true roller delayed blowback action is the Korth PRS 🤤🤤🤤
Thank-you! I was going to say this too (about it being roller locked short-recoil).
Ditto
I think Eric even demonstrated the short recoil action in his last video. I wasn't expecting this mistake from him.
vncube1 that’s why I said I’m pretty sure he knows he just wasn’t thinking. As much as he knows about firearms he would have to know it’s short recoil.
I think he was confusing it with the G3 that is a roller locked retarded or delayed blow back system. This system was first used militarily by the Germans in WWII.
i just bought my cz52 last month! love mine, the the czechs do their own thing with guns, i wouldnt have it any other way.
I have a grey CZ52. You've just taught me a lot about it. I have it because it looked cool and fires a big round lol. Thanks for the lesson!
Got one for $280 back in February with 3 mags and 100 rounds. Absolutely love it!
Yesterdays ammo price ham can was 90 bucks, today 7/ 07/ 24, 899.00 a can if you can find it.
"Shut up and shoot!" No by all means keep talking. I actually love hearing the side comments and the small things about the firearms you shoot. Like sure, shooting it is entertaining to watch, but i come here to listen and learn.
"Shut up and shoot!" Hearing that instantly annoyed me. Many of us greatly enjoy and/or want to learn more about these things. I know I'm one of them.
Lol, ayep.
A buddy of mine got me interested in East Block guns in 2004-5. He talked me into getting a CZ52 and an FEG Browning HP clone among others. I'm so glad he did. These are great fun at the range guns for not much money. My CZ52 set me back $140 for the grey one. I only wish I'd had your forward thinking and scarfed up some ammo. Thanks for sharing this video, now I have to dig my CZ52 out of the safe and hit the range.
I always thought the 7.62x25 should be more popular. it's a good round ,need some jhps for it I'd carry one.
well get a Norinco PX3 - thats a SIG 226 with double stack mags in 7.62TT
or convert a Glock for it - i think it would work with a 10mm Auto version bc of cartridge lenght
PPU makes jhps for 7.62x25
The PPU JHPs are very good. If you handload, you can work up some great JHP loads as well.
Wolf also makes hollows. Or used to
@@prinzeugenvansovoyen732 Can't have the Norinco or the dominion arms in the states. I have already had my ❤ broke on this a few years back. If only someone in Canada could practice their pistol throwing skills near the border and accidentally put a little to much behind it.
That round hits like a ton of bricks. I love it!
Hey Eric. I still carry my CZ52 I bought back in 95 when they were $125.
Just found one in great shape with nice Bakelite grips, a tan leather flap holster, and two 50-round boxes of ammo for $220. Didn't know anything about the model, but its a CZ and seemed to be high quality, and I knew it was something to pick up at that price. Has a very Walther PP/PPK slide muzzle-end (like the TT33). Thanks for the dry-fire tip!
I've always loved the look of the CZ52
Bought one when they were first imported many years ago. $100. The decocker sometimes fires the firing pin. Put a pencil in the barrel and see if the pencil is fired when the hammer is decocked. Also, the firing pins are brittle and will break after a few dozen dry fires... I got a steel aftermarket replacement and solved that problem. Also, the 762x25 is a subgun cartridge that is hotter than Hades... I've seen photos of blown CZ-52's that shot the high-pressure PPsh-41 ammo. My solution was to pull the bullets where I found 10-grains of some mystery ball powder inside. I reloaded the cases with ust 7-grains of the stuff, then reseated/crimped the bullets. Pistol still cycles well with the reduced loading and gives piece of mind that you won't lose any fingers. The .30 caliber necked cartridge is powerful! - reminds me of a M1 Carbine round fired from a pistol. It will defeat Level II body armor and I couldn't fire it at the indoor range... the muzzle blast kept blowing out the neon lights over the shooting station. One last trick... you can make brass for this thing from .223 brass. Just cut to length, neck down and lathe the neck to accept the .30 bullet and have fun.
I used to have one, what a great gun. It is actually very accurate if you shoot good ammo like Sellier & Bellot. Thanks for the video, brought back some memories. I still have some aftermarket walnut grips if anyone wants them!
Roller locked, actually. Like an mg42. The mp5, g3, and P9 are roller delayed blowback
I know I cringed when he said that!
For the record, it is NOT delayed roller blowback (like HK G3 or MP-5), it is a roller-locked gun. The rollers lock the barrel into the slide for a brief period and only when both get back a little it unlocks, the barrel stops and the slide travels alone. Do not confuse it.
Otherwise, thanks for a nice video. I've always liked this gun, even though it looks a bit weird, perhaps because I'd got one issued during my military service back in the eighties (CZ-52 began to be replaced with CZ -82 in the then Czechoslovakian army around the year 1982, however it was still in service till the early nineties at least), and I've recently bought one just for fun.
HK uses both Roller-lock and delayed interchangeably. So they're the same thing, just simplified a little bit.
@@DNchap1417 No. Roller delayed and roller locked are different systems, not the same thing. You should either learn what you are talking about or not talk at all.
Love my 52 as well!
Love it! I still prefer the Tokarev for carrying than the CZ52. The CZ52 is a brilliant, unique and functional gun, but the controls are a lot stiffer, you need more muscle to rack the slide, and there's no bolt release. I bought it because it's not everyday that you see a roller-delayed handgun.
@@DNchap1417 you definitely don't have any extra physical capacity
7.62x25 is my favourite cartridge. For many years my Dad carried PM-63 RAK as his duty gun. I never got to shoot it but I've seen it in action and the accuracy, penetration and destructive power of this round was very impressive is mid 80's
PM63 RAK usually fires 9mm Makorov
I assume the gun you talked about was a PPS 43/52 (Polish copy of the soviet PPS 43 chambered for the 7.62x25 mm) indeed like said above pm-63 was chambered in 9x18 Makarov.
Glad you mentioned the firing pin fragility, I was gonna ask. I have seen aftermarket stronger firing pins are available.
My most beloved pistol. I have 3 Pcs. at home. One in 9 mm caliber. And one of few in the world, which reach to shot through car engine. I love my 52 :)
Just picked one up from a relative that didn’t want this handgun anymore so I bought it from him. It is very well taken care of, but new part are going to go in it. $350 as of jan 2023. I am not complaining by any means. Point is I’m excited about this handgun.
From the internet-
The 7.62X25 Tokarev ammo was manufactured in Romania by the plant “21” (Cugir Arsenal), also with the headstamp marking “RPR” (“Republica Populara Romana” in Romanian language, it means “Popular Republic of Romania” until the summer of 1965). The “U.M. Sadu” plant with the code “22” made the same type of ammo in Romania even in early 1980s.
Love my CZ 52. Wish someone, anyone, would make a pistol in this round. If CZ would make a 75 in 7.62x25 it'd be a dream come true.
I've never owned a handgun before, but after a friend introduced me to these things, I think I will be making it my first. They aren't as cheap as they used to be, but they still really aren't expensive. Most importantly, however, they're elegant and beautiful. Inexpensive and beautiful is all I want in a handgun.
These guns were selling in the $100 range back in the 90's, I bought a 9mm conversion barrel for mine, and it worked well. The few I owned shot very well. The only problem I've ever heard was the rollers would wear, and they made solid rollers to replace the factory ones. I never had a firing pin to break, and yes I did dry fire mine.
Those solid rollers are too stiff... these transfer too much force into the slide , cracking many . Claude Harrington makes fantastic rollers , as well as a far superior to stock firing pin .
I just received my CZ52 last week based on Eric's old old video on it. I been looking for my first handgun, and I needed it to be weird. The damn things are indestructible, solid tool steel contruction practically (except for those melted down pot metal firing pins)
Anyways, this surplus ammo is pushing anywhere from 1400-1750 fps. That's quite hot, my PPU JHP (btw jhp is quite uncommon to find for these) runs a little north almost reaching 1800fps.
Eric you need to show how you can neck down .223 brass for these guns, and see how hot they can get loaded. I heard 2300 fps was achieved once.
As far as noise, well the fireball and report made the .44mag shooters stop and take a look when I first tried it at the indoor range.
Lol I fired mine at the range as well w some heavy holders and they were shocked at the flames puking from my old 52. And not to mention close range the target being blown back from the muzzle velocity very fun to shoot and def a conversation starter
The Korth PRS uses rollers. It looks like a blocky 1911, but it is a roller-delayed, .45 acp handgun. Damn though, I wish there were more pistols in 7.62x25mm! ...and 10mm for that matter. CZ!! Make a CZ-75 in 7.62 Tokarev and a CZ-97 in 10mm Auto! Do it!!
If they made a CZ-75 in 7.62x25mm, I would probably break my wrist pulling out my wallet out to buy one.
CZ should build a modern designed 7.62x25 Tokarev pistol caliber carbine. I would most definitely be up for buying one of those!
@@patrickzimmerli9032 Same here! I don't think they'd have to reinvent the wheel either. A Scorpion Evo 3 would probably just need a new magwell/mags, barrel, and maybe a heavier recoil spring to do it. Even if it required a new trigger group and bolt, I'm sure it could still all be done within the confines of the Scorpion receiver. Unfortunately, there will probably never be a strong enough motivation for them to do so.
CZ 52, predecessor to a fine line of CZ designed pistols!
It's really not a good pistol. CZ are great at making pistols but this one is a let down.
I own a CZ52 and love it. The ammo is made hot.
Shooting with Eric and Chad at the ranch is on my bucket list for sure. Best channel on the interwebs.
Oh my, some good old memories here, cca 20 years ago one of our friends at the time bought this surplus gun + steel core ammo. The gun itself was below 100 dollars at the time and we started shooting at poppers not knowing that steel core means it can go through almost anything and of course, it just passed through the poppers like there is nothing. And remember I have found this roller at shooting range once, so the reliability is questinable a bit.
My grandfather an army veteran. Was stationed in Germany near the Czech border. During the Cuban missile crisis. He told me stories of how they set up .50cal and .30cal MG's to prepare if anything went down. Incase The war went hot. They observed the Czech's across the border scrambling and preparing as well. But then soon after his Commander informed the troops JFK settled things. And while I'm at it I might as well say my great-grandfather was a World War II veteran who took place in the Battle of the Bulge. He was a forward Observer. Two heros of mine.
Most accurate handgun I own. 100yd shots very easy offhand
I acquired one of those in a trade years ago in Alaska. Didn't realize until afterwards that the serial had been completely ground off so I ended up handing it over to local law enforcement and never got a chance to shoot it. Was in great condition though.
Missed opportunity to do a rim shot with the CZ 52 after the joke.
I bought two of these back around 15 years ago form Classic Arms for around 109.00 each, but they really went up like all other guns. they really sling the cases out.
Your killing me. I just got over wanting this pistol. Had one when I was younger. Just bought a p01 omega but it didn't help.
Just get a 1911.
@@PistolManiac100 I have some. Its just not the same. Lol The 52 will always have a sentimental place in my heart. Its like the grandfather of my cz collection.
@@PistolManiac100 That is a completely different gun
A lot of that ammo was for subguns where dispersion was considered a good thing. Most all of the surplus is really hot. Touching that off for home defense would leave you deaf.
Best rapid fire i've seen with a 52... I have an original grey one 1953 produced. Probably one of my favorite handguns. Goes well with my new VZ58.
Still haven’t done a video on the tokarev though
Which is kind of amazing in itself as the Tokarev is an uber cool WW2 and cold war blaster. I have a Polish Wz-33, Romanian TT-C, Russian TT-33 and Yugo M-57....all the same but slightly different. The pistols are a little funky with lots of great history behind it. Love that round!!
Yeah, i considered buying one once, but went with the 1911 instead.
no p08 either
Not sure on that one.
Cool.
One of my favorite calibers. I truly wish there were more options for carry guns and defensive ammo in it.
When I had my CZ-52 I got a chance to test the round on a bullet proof vest. I was using the Chinese SMG ammo, very hot stuff. The bullet blew through the front of the vest and embedded in the back panel.
I absolutely love this gun.Can't own guns here,so I tried making a wooden model as close to the real one as possible.Turned out acceptable.
Last time I had my CZ52 out, I ended up having to reshape the original magazine floorplate, which decided to just pop off and let the ammo dump out on the ground. That's what may eventually happen when you use the magazine to remove the barrel.
one of the sexiest looking pistols ever made
Bought one for my wife 12years ago for 225 bucks with 250rds. First time she fired it it double tapped,she dropped it and it fired again. Love the velocity in a more accurate firearm
Oh Brother!U`ve just made my evening.Not only We just passed 100 years,since we r back on the maps but U`ve shoot some Polish ammo.God bless U Man!.
When buying a CZ-52 look at the top of the slide. you should see ping marks. The more marks, the worse the quality of the gun. The ping marks were placed by the inspectors at time of production. If your gun has no pings, they have been filed off. This was usually done because buyers found out about the ping meaning.
Bought mine i think from Guns South , 115 for hand picked , changed firing pin to an HR one and have never had a failure !
I have two of these. The first was my entry into old Czech pistols.
Love mine. Extremely accurate with quality ammo. Have a local supplier who reloads these with SP at pretty good velocity. Definitely a hot little round.
7:50 Browning hi-power came out after TT-33. Tokarev took the design from FN 1903.
i used to work for the first importer of those. i hand stamped 4500 of them. it was marked ia co sac ca. we also got some hot czech ammo that cronographed around 1700 fps. we had a superb gunsmith who whittled down a sten barrel to shoot 9mm. it was very accurate but took about 20 minutes to wiggle it back in.
Fortunately Harrington Products makes hardened firing pins and rollers for the CZ-52. I love my CZ-52.
ARAKVeteran8888 is my favorite channel.
One of my favorite guns, I'm glad I have a few.
Wait a second. What about the “radioactive ammo crates?.” 🤔
the radioactive experimental ammo from my russian friend straight out of Chernobyl
The CZ52 was designed to take 9mm Para but the Russians put a stop to it and it had to be produced in 7.62TT. This creates the problem that the Tokarev round produces more pressure than the 9mm hence the pistol is prone to have the slide crack just under the shell ejection port. My gunshop in Prague showed me a whole box full of used surplus CZ52s that had the cracked slide. Some damage was so bad that the shooter must have had his hand injured for certain. Might be a good idea to stay away from the loads that are on the strong side.
I come from a Czech family and we love Czech guns. Can't get enough cz in my day.
I love that round!
My favorite pistol. Closest thing to a Jonny Quest bad guy gun there is.
Great gun. I like it better than the Tokerov.
But we now have the 357 Sig in a good selection of pistols and ammo. It's a larger caliber with heavier modern bullets.
If you want high velocity in the 357 Sig, Double Tap makes cartridges with velocities around 1600 fps. Also try Buffalo Bore.
Texas DPS, Secret Service, Sky Marshals, Pennsylvania Department of Game and others use the 357 Sig.
Partizan makes a hollow point for the Tokerov, but I haven't seen anything on the performance.
I've got a 52..love it! I tried one out at a friend's place one time, the muzzle flash was a pretty blue fireball!
You have to be careful about what you get for ammo(surplus)..some was made for the machine gun..I forget what that was.
I cast a 75 grain rn bullet and loaded it near max..it was a bear to find the brass, like you said it slung it wildly about 30'..usually at a 45° angle from your standing position. Lots of fun with that pistol! I figured it to be almost in the .327 Federal mag power range.
Sellier and Belliot make factory ammo for it.
3:07 bro laughing way too hard at his own joke😭
After he says “yeah man” around 4:00 if you look closely to the left of the 2 liter you can see the bullet travel in front of the foliage
I recently picked up a cz52 at the wanenmacher gun show. It's awesome. Cant wait to get it to the range.
harrison products has updated firing pins and heat treated rollers.
HK's p9 is roller-delayed as well.
Was going to say the same thing. The Calico pistols were roller locks as well, but they're more akin to the MP5 "pistols".
its roller locked, not roller delayed.
To be clear, the HK P9 is roller delayed. The CZ52 is roller locked.
uses the same mechanics as the MG42
I adore my cz 52! Thing sure as shit packs a good punch!
My dad gave one of these when I graduated high school
It is a great gun I will always love it
I had one back in the day and loved it- That sucker would sling the brass casings into the next county! Lost it during my divorce. Found another one at a gun show about 3 months ago and couldn't pass it up for $350 w/holster, 2 mags, and cleaning rod. It's a 1953-dated pistol, oh and it's a grey one ;)
Love the content as I can't get most of what you have in Australia, thought I'd just drop a message to let you know this is the first video of yours I've seen to have adds and it's refreshing to see that UA-cam hasn't de-monetised this video like it no doubt has the rest hopefully they stop picking and choosing what content to support and start supporting fine content like yours, thanks for your contribution to society with accurate wholesome informative entertainment 😁
I have one of these. Mine is a 1952 production with original grey finish. Fellow offered me the black but I said no, I want that grey one right there. I got the same ammo too, but my batch was open. I had like a 30% fail rate on that ammo, ha. Good thing I got it even cheaper then you did. Mine also game with the original holster. No cleaning rod though. What a shame. Almost the whole set, ha.
CZ52 is not delayed blow back. It is locked by rollers with short recoil.Another pistol with rollers is Korth pistol.
Great video, but CZ-52 is not roller delayed blowback, it's roller locked, short recoil operated gun.
The first cz 52 I had was only 189 bucks and came with 4 magazines and both barrels the 7.62 and 9mm. Have had a fee of them and want to get another for my collection.
You forgot to mention with aftermarket firing pins, extractors, rollers, you can lighten up trigger pull, and dry fire all day with no issues
I'd love a ruger PC carbine in
7.62×25.
Not roller delayed, just short recoil usimg rollers...
This was my first pistol...I got it for 90 bucks at a gun show like 13 years ago..I fucking loved that thing...Wish I still had it
I love mine,I reload some 110 grain sp in mine and they were deviating fun
0:15 Consider yourself lucky. Up here in Michigan, it was 19 degrees when I took my youngest daughter to school this morning.
Little misconception here.
CZ-52 Isn't "roller-delayed" or at least, not like an H&K MP5 or a H&K P9S but rather "roller-locked".
The CZ-52 is still a short recoil operated gun insofar as the rollers are just locking the breach like conventional locking lugs, they are resting on a flat surface. It is only after the barrel and slide have recoiled a short distance that the rollers retract inward and then the slide is unlocked and free to recoil.
While on the HK MP5 there's no barrel moving, the rollers are not only locking the bolt but they are transmitting part of the energy to the angled locking piece within the bolt until it reaches a certain pressure and unlocks.
Although both systems serves the same purpose : delaying the action using rollers until the pressure drops to a safe level before the bolt unlocks, the way the mechanism works and the rollers are used is completely different between both.
Good video and great gun nonetheless.
Really wish they’d make a CZ75 or 97 in 7.62x25
Huntington's makes an upgraded firing pin with a return spring hornady makes a 90 grain xtp for reloading this caliber starline and others make brass ..its an awesome gun and caliber
Not exactly a 1911, to say the least, but it's cool if you're interested in its history. And the cartridge is interesting. "The People's Pistol."
Love that shirt! Love the pistol, really love the cartridge.
Got one today. Shows no wear, came with a leather holster and a spare mag still in the plastic.
It’s such a spacey looking little dude. I love it.
It's kind of late, but if you guys are veterans, then thank you for your serivce
Sheesh man. It's like 35 degrees here in Utah and the same in Minnesota...
Harrington Products in Lafayette, Indiana . has hardened rollers and various other replacement parts for these fine guns good people there
"I mean,not terribly stupid good accuracy." What am amazing sentence.
It's sad knowing that whoever made that gun and ammo are probably dead or close to now.
I saw your first vid 6 years ago and subscribed. I found a cz52 local and bought it; my very first handgun.
I have several of them and love them. So thank you for this vid was a great start to my day
I have one and so far it has never failed or jammed
Mine is bearing serial number 14296 Czech made Tokarev, no idea about this European Block Pistol reach to our country 🇵🇭, I'm a private security aid.. My businessman boss gave that steel guy as a gift before mid 90's, the one that I used regularly in our everyday routine as my conceil carry is a DAEWOO DP 51 9mm, which is not bad pistol for our protection... 😎
Looks like summer down their but it's like winter here in southern Michigan snow everywhere