I think the thing that would potentially really rub salt in the wound for all this is the fact that even after these acquisitions, most of the studios now under Xbox have yet to put out a single game as a first party dev. Some have turned out smaller stuff like Grounded and Pentiment, and this year the slate was actually looking pretty solid with Avowed, Indiana Jones and Hellblade, but we're still waiting for what's next for id Software, Arkane's Blade, anything from the new ABK developers, and especially whatever's going on at The Initiative who's doing Perfect Dark. If they pivot now, midway through the generation at the point where results were actually starting to show from those years of buying up publishers and studios, then the window that people who were fully into Xbox expecting exclusives from first-party is about to look pathetically non-existent. Worse yet, it would basically mean there are no disadvantages whatsoever to just jumping over to PlayStation if they're promised day one PlayStation titles and most of the upcoming Xbox stuff if what is to be believed comes true Microsoft ended up not being willing enough to see the transition all the way through for a lot of their developers in that case and I think it would suck. I was actually kind of looking forward to this year's slate as someone with both a PC and a PS5
Tim Shafer is the goat and we must keep him safe and around into infinity. Seeing an interview with him is a beautiful palette cleanser after that depressing Xbox bullsh*t. Long live double fine and the allies.
I play on Xbox first and then exclusives on PS5/Switch. I think most Xbox players don't care about SOME games going multiplatform. We're worried that if they have zero exclusives that they don't have a reason for dedicated hardware to exist, and that they'll switch to streaming focused devices for Xcloud. RIP to our libraries that we've been building for 20 years that are still supported through backwards compatibility.
Xbox really did it themselves. They constantly drop the ball and with gamepass theres literally no incentive for you to actually buy their first party exclusives.
There isn't even any incentive to get gamepass either. All the best backwards compatible games that they know you want to play are still $20 per in the store, their first party exclusives other than Forza for the last decade have been generally complete ass, Halo Infinite is completely free to play so you don't even need gamepass to play it, etc. For being "the best deal in gaming" it's about 1000 games that either you've probably already played or don't give a shit about.
@librarygary1618 that's a good point. I didn't even think about that. To further your point you don't even have to pay full price for the good backward compar games because they're constantly on sale. That's how I get all my games. Now that I got the x I don't even have to buy the digital copies I can pop some of my old disc and not even have to worry about it.
@@librarygary1618 This is true, I payed for game pass for years and only played through like 4-5 games, which were all cheap on steam and other stores. The only other game I played was Halo MCC and again you can get it for 10 bucks or cheaper most of the time for xbox or PC.
@@librarygary1618 Gamepass has been incredible value, even without the first party offerings. Even with 2022 being underwhelming for Xbox's first party, Gamepass had a ton to offer last year.
@@librarygary1618 Why? I played lies of P, Persona 3 Reload, Dead Space Remake, Cocoon and few more indie games in last couple of months. All of these are around more 200 dollar total.
Said it before, I'll say it again Gamepass is not sustainable and not good for the industry. Microsoft has a lot of money but they wont allow services to keep hemorrhaging money. Remember they stopped reporting on numbers of subs for Gamepass and thats because the numbers plateaued and arent rising. They also overpaid for Activision Blizzards but at the end of the day they devalued the practice of buying games. They taught their own audience that you dont have to buy games when they release. So rising costs in game development, number of subs not increasing and their first party games not selling as they are available to play day 1 on Gamepass equals people above Phil Spencer looking for more sales.
Ehhh I think its more people didnt buy their consoles it doing even worse than Xbox One, it doesnt help that buying physical on Xbox is the worst among all other platforms
Even without Gamepass you don't have to buy games when they release. It's just FOMO that compels people to. In the Canadian market for example games have been absurdly expensive for the past decade I feel like, and the way to combat it was just to wait until around the holidays when all the major publishers discount their games by $30-$40. I can understand if you're still young and feel like you need the hottest newest thing right away, but that's not the reality for a lot of people who are content to wait and have other responsibilities in their lives. For me and others around my age, Gamepass is a great value because it meant we didn't even need to wait for those sales. Is it damaging to the industry? The data certainly seems to point to that, as you've mentioned, but it cannot be denied that it was good for the end consumer which is a rare thing to see from a multi-billion dollar mega corporation. If Gamepass goes away, I'll adapt as I always have. I mean hell I still have games on my Steam wishlist that I'm waiting to drop below $10 on a Steam sale and I'm stubborn enough to not buy them even at $11.
Xbox Game Pass made 2.9 billion $ in 2021 3.9 billion $ in 2022 Phil Spencer said 1 billion $ went to third-party and independant devs from Xbox Game Pass. And Xbox probably keeps 30% of the subscriptions fees as they do on each thing they sell on the Xbox Store. (ie 1.3 billion $), to keep the servers up, to market the offer, and to pay the people that run the service. So it lets 1.3 billion $ a year to Xbox Game Studios. With the FTC trial leaks, we know that TLOU 2 cost 220 millions on 3 years of development, ie less than 75 millions a year. So if Xbox Game Studios plan to release 4 AAAA with the same cost every year, they need to have always 12 (4 AAAA x 3 years) studios working with a 75 millions budget a year each. So to do that, they need 900 millions a year. It fits perfectly into the 1.3 billions Xbox Game Studios can get from Xbox Game Pass revenues. And games sales aren't event counted. So Xbox Game Pass offers 2 important things : profits and game funding with money already collected that games don't have to refund within the month of their release.
@@OriginalEdition-fo4nu All I know is gamepass isn't breaking even still it's in the same boat as Epic is with their game platform. Fortnite keeps funding that epic effort regardless and Microsoft is so big it uses cash from other parts if the company to invest in gamepass. Will be interesting to see how much longer they push this stuff as a priority being in the red.
Nintendo games sell well. On top of that they don't get price cut. Mario Kart 8 deluxe is still 60 dollars game. So I would assume majority of sales are from full price. GTA5 is around 30 dollars almost last 7 years.
Yes, competition is good and the XBox lost due to mismanagement. They never recovered from that disastrous XB One launch and Kinect. MS is a software company, not a hardware company. In the long run, it is better for their bottom line to start transitioning 100% into publishing/developing games and letting the XB console go.
I have edited this comment with the word "correction" so that Isla can read it in her prep for this week's podcast and inform listeners that Gulliver's Travels is available online. I hope people choose to watch it because it's a real treat of a 90s made-for-tv production.
My take on the Xbox situation is that I understand how Xbox fans feel and in no way do I disregard their complaints but we live in an era of gaming where every company is competing to take up the consumer’s time. Releasing games everywhere is the best way to gain the most revenue and user base. The only worry from this happening is Microsoft stops making hardware and everyone loses their digital library and/or Sony getting more complacent and starting to increase prices to astronomical amounts.
Ok I think we need to stop this wrong question nonsense. It’s not clever, it’s not funny, it’s confusing and quite frankly dumb. You don’t have to bring back corrections but let’s try something else
13:26 I'm sure Damiani would be TOTALLY fine with having Zelda on Xbox and PS or even PC Right??? The obvious doublestandard is absolutely hilarious. Exclusives are the reality of the console landscape and Xbox fans should feel a sense of betrayal by this news. Particularly those who have invested in this ecosystem for the last decade, and are finally starting to see some big games coming this year. The lack of communication or clear strategy by Xbox leadership has been evident for years, and fans who have stuck with them should be frustrated by the future vision.
As a fan of both Nintendo and Sony, to me it depends on the game. Mario should stay exclusive. Zelda should go multiplatform. Uncharted should stay exclusive. Spiderman should go multiplatform. Halo should stay exclusive. Forza should go multiplatform.
Imo this whole mess shows how Gamepass is not sustainable and they need to start recouping money from sales on other platforms, the subs have stopped growing for almost 2 years at this point iirc and i think they said it was around 15% of their revenue, these game companies make most of their money from the split they get by selling 3rd party games and MTX. Xbox is already having trouble selling their consoles, if they start porting their exclusives to Playstation there is even less value to their consoles, that means even less hardware sales -> less potential Gamepass subs and lower 3rd party game sales wich in turn make 3rd party devs skip their platform entirely because of low user base/low sales. Even if they only put their games on Playstation after a year, from a Playstation user point of view that means that they only have to wait one year and after that each year will have both Playstation and Xbox exclusives to play, its a no brainer.
Microsoft doesn’t care about selling xbox consoles; they want you to sub to gamepass. You can do that on your pc, your xbox, your tv, etc… Thunking about things in terms of console sales is old fashioned. Apple hits market saturation on the iPhone, so what do they do? Create music and iCloud subscriptions for the iPhone
I feel like you've got to be careful with hi fi rush. I mean maybe you do just put it out whenever. But I know if it comes out on ps5 anytime soon I won't be getting it day 1. Just because there are so many games at the moment. But April or may would probably be perfect.
15:05 I’m not that concerned about hardware pricing because if a console is going to be $600+. Then you can start building gaming PCs at the same price for better performance. So either they need to exceed the performance of a gaming pc at the same price or have a cheaper console. A console for $600+ would be a hard sell.
Depends on the person tbh, If let’s say GTA 7 or Elder Scrolls 6 is only available on a new gen console I would totally pay $600+ for it. I personally don’t like pc gaming and even more I don’t like the look of a gaming pc in my house, fucks up the aesthetic lol
Disagree that exclusives shouldn’t exist. It’s fun when different console brands having their own exclusives unique to their console. Xbox exclusives are mostly trash so I like Xbox going 3rd party because it makes sense.
I'm glad you guys brought up the potential monopoly PlayStation would become and how bad that could be, despite how brief the discussion was. A lot of game news outlets on UA-cam don't bring that up.
And a lot of game news outlets / UA-cam doesn't cover how gamepass has been slowly introducing a worse system for gaming under the guise of "it's the best deal in gaming!" Any and all subscription services have started as a good deal and slowly ramped up to giving you less while costing more. Every streaming site does this (most notably Netflix atm), ps plus has done this late last year, and gamepass itself has led already to game quality not being the focus at launch but trying to push games as a service for first party titles from Xbox. The big picture here isn't pointing to just Playstation having a potential monopoly (because Nintendo has exclusives that are rock solid too still) but more to the fact that the games industry as a whole is getting worse all across the board. Removing ownership of games, increasing cost of games, increasing MTX seen in games, the attempt at making live service games more prevalent in the market, the attempt at pushing NFTs in games etc. I mean shoot all streaming services have increased ads and commercials by a crap ton does anyone remember when they started there weren't ads at all and now we have to pay extra for less or no ads lol. Thank god Introducing ads to video games has been almost entirely shunned and disallowed to date. I especially was happy to see the way they tried to introduce ads in SF5 never resurfaced again (so far!) and they had to walk that back entirely.
@@MrKryton24gamepass is a great value. Paying 70 dollars each for a game that probably doesn’t have a demo is just stupid and anti consumer. You can also still buy games that are on gamepass at full retail value if you want
"competition is good" is a baby-brain truism. Standardization is ALSO GOOD. Hollywood studios compete for box office dollars, and that is good. But it would definitely not be good if there were 10 different incompatible movie media formats.
13:28 *A win for consumers who own PS5s and Switches --- if you don't own those things you're losing out. I wonder how different this conversation would be if it were PlayStation first parties going multiplatform and Xbox not sharing...
You're so right. Xbox will base all its strategy on gamepass and cloud gaming. No need to manufacture Xboxes in the future. They couldn't sell consoles in the japanese market, where Sony and Nintendo did millions sales.
Exactly. Everyone saying Xbox should put their games on other platforms but not the other way? Yeah, I don't see how everyone wins here if it's only one side.
There's always been a double standard with exclusives when it comes to Xbox. And unlike Sony and Nintendo, MS has been releasing their exclusives day and date on PC. That's not insignificant.
I also think losing xbox is bad for the console market in terms of resilience. If next gen there is only one option and that option bombs for whatever reason. Console gaming is just dead.
I still buy consoles because I like the games. But should I have the option I’d play all of them on my pc. Console performance has been lackluster since the ps3/360 generation. Releasing games on as many platforms as possible is the best consumer practice.
You mean since the ps4/xboxone im assuming. The ps3 tech was amazing at the time and was even used in various research facility's because of its powerful cpu.
@@joeyisabsb1 No, PS3/360 generation is the worst offender. They have horrible performance. Many games played at sub 30fps and sub 720p internal resolution. Just look at the many videos done by digital foundry about this topic. Cell being good at simulating protein formulas in a lab =/= good performance in gaming. It's super apparent if you have a game running on a PS3/360 and the PC version running at 1080p60 side by side. The difference is night and day.
1:01:00... LOL! not even halve the people who have Switches have Mario Kart 8D 😂 That game has like the most insane attach rate ever. Probably nr1 besides bundled games GTA5 did 195 but on 3 generations across who knows how many consoles..
1:07:00... this is not installbase Uber. MSFT had 85 million 360's and NOTHING, not even COD comes anywhere near the Nintendo top 20 entry level. Switch top 10 is like HALVE of all software sold on X360? Or at least fairly close. Thats nothing less than insane. Also Sony doesnt do Nintendo numbers and their installbase is fine and their 3rd party sales are gigantic. But that 1st party insanity, makes Nintendo so profitable.
We don’t know jack about what Xbox is doing until we hear this week. They’re not ditching exclusives altogether that’s a guarantee though. I wouldn’t doubt if they made multiplayer games like SOT, COD, Diablo, etc. multi-platform. Then just a case by case basis for single player games. They have 30+ studios now, so even if they give PS and Nintendo an exclusive here and there, it’s not like the world is falling apart at Xbox. Some would argue it could even help the brand if you give people the choice of buying these games for $70 or having them all on a subscription for cheap 🤷🏻♂️
I dont own Mario Kart 8 despite owning over 50 physical switch games. The reason is I still own my Wii U with MK8 on it and even then I never really played it much.
I like how people say Xbox is the new Sega. Xbox was ALWAYS Sega. I bet that none of you here know (or even the people at Easy Allies) that SEGA WAS NEVER A STAND-ALONE COMPANY. It was always a division of another company, in other words Sega always had a sugar-daddy propping them up. Also Sega NEVER made any profits post Genesis. This is why CSK, the company that owned Sega, pulled the plug on them and SOLD THEM OFF to Sammy. Xbox is the same, a division that has NEVER made profit, propped up by sugar-daddy Microsoft. Let's see how long its going to take for Microsoft to pull the plug.
PSplus is not horrible, what a bad take, it gets great games but thats on you guys and your privilege of free games. Also, you're talking about renting games, that's what sub services are, like how is this a conversation.
Gee, if only millions of people had told them for the last 10+ years that they need to actually make good games that people want to play! Now even PlayStation users are turning their nose up at the prospect of being able to play Starfield because its just mediocre. They can keep trying to ignore the quality of their product and keep selling gimmicks and "new ways to play" but at the end of day, they can't keep getting away with putting out such trash for such a long time.
@@darksing1 Y'all have made every host of the EZA Podcast out to be a villain, "Kyle sucks, we want Jones. Jones sucks we want Blood" --- it just never quits! Complaining about interruptions is just a red herring.
@@darksing1 They all interrupt, they are friends, and their energy and enthusiasm is why I tune in --- some of the very best EZA content has been interruptions. Anyhow, I watched the whole episode here and there weren't any pointed interruptions that I can remember, perhaps leave some time stamps to enlighten me?
Should definitely put Tim in the video title, great episode!
I think the thing that would potentially really rub salt in the wound for all this is the fact that even after these acquisitions, most of the studios now under Xbox have yet to put out a single game as a first party dev. Some have turned out smaller stuff like Grounded and Pentiment, and this year the slate was actually looking pretty solid with Avowed, Indiana Jones and Hellblade, but we're still waiting for what's next for id Software, Arkane's Blade, anything from the new ABK developers, and especially whatever's going on at The Initiative who's doing Perfect Dark. If they pivot now, midway through the generation at the point where results were actually starting to show from those years of buying up publishers and studios, then the window that people who were fully into Xbox expecting exclusives from first-party is about to look pathetically non-existent. Worse yet, it would basically mean there are no disadvantages whatsoever to just jumping over to PlayStation if they're promised day one PlayStation titles and most of the upcoming Xbox stuff if what is to be believed comes true
Microsoft ended up not being willing enough to see the transition all the way through for a lot of their developers in that case and I think it would suck. I was actually kind of looking forward to this year's slate as someone with both a PC and a PS5
Tim Shafer is the goat and we must keep him safe and around into infinity. Seeing an interview with him is a beautiful palette cleanser after that depressing Xbox bullsh*t. Long live double fine and the allies.
So glad he’s part of Xbox game studios
Tim Schaefer rocks
"heat action with the gamecube" lmao
It wasn't called "spice orange" for nothing.
I play on Xbox first and then exclusives on PS5/Switch. I think most Xbox players don't care about SOME games going multiplatform. We're worried that if they have zero exclusives that they don't have a reason for dedicated hardware to exist, and that they'll switch to streaming focused devices for Xcloud. RIP to our libraries that we've been building for 20 years that are still supported through backwards compatibility.
I don't think it would be an issue if only we also got to see every PlayStation and Nintendo game also coming to Xbox.
I'm sure no one on PlayStation or Nintendo cares what Xbox games release on those platforms because they're average at best.
Xbox really did it themselves. They constantly drop the ball and with gamepass theres literally no incentive for you to actually buy their first party exclusives.
There isn't even any incentive to get gamepass either. All the best backwards compatible games that they know you want to play are still $20 per in the store, their first party exclusives other than Forza for the last decade have been generally complete ass, Halo Infinite is completely free to play so you don't even need gamepass to play it, etc. For being "the best deal in gaming" it's about 1000 games that either you've probably already played or don't give a shit about.
@librarygary1618 that's a good point. I didn't even think about that. To further your point you don't even have to pay full price for the good backward compar games because they're constantly on sale. That's how I get all my games. Now that I got the x I don't even have to buy the digital copies I can pop some of my old disc and not even have to worry about it.
@@librarygary1618 This is true, I payed for game pass for years and only played through like 4-5 games, which were all cheap on steam and other stores. The only other game I played was Halo MCC and again you can get it for 10 bucks or cheaper most of the time for xbox or PC.
@@librarygary1618 Gamepass has been incredible value, even without the first party offerings. Even with 2022 being underwhelming for Xbox's first party, Gamepass had a ton to offer last year.
@@librarygary1618 Why? I played lies of P, Persona 3 Reload, Dead Space Remake, Cocoon and few more indie games in last couple of months. All of these are around more 200 dollar total.
Said it before, I'll say it again Gamepass is not sustainable and not good for the industry. Microsoft has a lot of money but they wont allow services to keep hemorrhaging money. Remember they stopped reporting on numbers of subs for Gamepass and thats because the numbers plateaued and arent rising. They also overpaid for Activision Blizzards but at the end of the day they devalued the practice of buying games. They taught their own audience that you dont have to buy games when they release. So rising costs in game development, number of subs not increasing and their first party games not selling as they are available to play day 1 on Gamepass equals people above Phil Spencer looking for more sales.
Ehhh I think its more people didnt buy their consoles it doing even worse than Xbox One, it doesnt help that buying physical on Xbox is the worst among all other platforms
Even without Gamepass you don't have to buy games when they release. It's just FOMO that compels people to. In the Canadian market for example games have been absurdly expensive for the past decade I feel like, and the way to combat it was just to wait until around the holidays when all the major publishers discount their games by $30-$40.
I can understand if you're still young and feel like you need the hottest newest thing right away, but that's not the reality for a lot of people who are content to wait and have other responsibilities in their lives. For me and others around my age, Gamepass is a great value because it meant we didn't even need to wait for those sales. Is it damaging to the industry? The data certainly seems to point to that, as you've mentioned, but it cannot be denied that it was good for the end consumer which is a rare thing to see from a multi-billion dollar mega corporation.
If Gamepass goes away, I'll adapt as I always have. I mean hell I still have games on my Steam wishlist that I'm waiting to drop below $10 on a Steam sale and I'm stubborn enough to not buy them even at $11.
Would you say $300 million blockbusters that cost more to make than movies are sustainable?
Xbox Game Pass made
2.9 billion $ in 2021
3.9 billion $ in 2022
Phil Spencer said 1 billion $ went to third-party and independant devs from Xbox Game Pass.
And Xbox probably keeps 30% of the subscriptions fees as they do on each thing they sell on the Xbox Store. (ie 1.3 billion $), to keep the servers up, to market the offer, and to pay the people that run the service.
So it lets 1.3 billion $ a year to Xbox Game Studios.
With the FTC trial leaks, we know that TLOU 2 cost 220 millions on 3 years of development, ie less than 75 millions a year.
So if Xbox Game Studios plan to release 4 AAAA with the same cost every year, they need to have always 12 (4 AAAA x 3 years) studios working with a 75 millions budget a year each. So to do that, they need 900 millions a year.
It fits perfectly into the 1.3 billions Xbox Game Studios can get from Xbox Game Pass revenues.
And games sales aren't event counted.
So Xbox Game Pass offers 2 important things : profits and game funding with money already collected that games don't have to refund within the month of their release.
@@OriginalEdition-fo4nu All I know is gamepass isn't breaking even still it's in the same boat as Epic is with their game platform. Fortnite keeps funding that epic effort regardless and Microsoft is so big it uses cash from other parts if the company to invest in gamepass. Will be interesting to see how much longer they push this stuff as a priority being in the red.
That Tim Schafer intereview was pretty cool! Never how the day od the Devs worked! It seems a lot of good effort!
They got Mick Foley on the podcast!
Bang bang 👉👉
Damn, i thought the wrong question thing was done.
Only Blood and Isla get it. They should probably find something else.
Great episode!
I sure hope that Tears Of The Kingdom surpasses Breath Of The Wild. I can't express enough how much better of a game it is.
Nintendo games sell well. On top of that they don't get price cut. Mario Kart 8 deluxe is still 60 dollars game. So I would assume majority of sales are from full price. GTA5 is around 30 dollars almost last 7 years.
They do go on sale all the time. I doubt most sales are full price, but its fair to say even on sale they sell for more than some other games on sale.
Yes, competition is good and the XBox lost due to mismanagement. They never recovered from that disastrous XB One launch and Kinect. MS is a software company, not a hardware company. In the long run, it is better for their bottom line to start transitioning 100% into publishing/developing games and letting the XB console go.
Kinect sold incredibly well though.
Yes, Mikami said that he would decapitate himself if RE4 ever came to anything other than GameCube. He didn't go through with it, naturally.
correction
1:47:33
Ted Danson is amazing in Gulliver's Travels --- that 1996 production is, indeed, available online.
I have edited this comment with the word "correction" so that Isla can read it in her prep for this week's podcast and inform listeners that Gulliver's Travels is available online.
I hope people choose to watch it because it's a real treat of a 90s made-for-tv production.
My take on the Xbox situation is that I understand how Xbox fans feel and in no way do I disregard their complaints but we live in an era of gaming where every company is competing to take up the consumer’s time. Releasing games everywhere is the best way to gain the most revenue and user base. The only worry from this happening is Microsoft stops making hardware and everyone loses their digital library and/or Sony getting more complacent and starting to increase prices to astronomical amounts.
IMHO Sony is already complacent. They already raised the prices this gen and are not even releasing any first party exclusives this year it seems.
Ok I think we need to stop this wrong question nonsense. It’s not clever, it’s not funny, it’s confusing and quite frankly dumb. You don’t have to bring back corrections but let’s try something else
EZA doesn't listen to feedback or criticism.
@@Echo__plexthis is true
Or you can also click on timestamps to you know..... skip it
oven respect for Tim (and allies)
13:26 I'm sure Damiani would be TOTALLY fine with having Zelda on Xbox and PS or even PC Right??? The obvious doublestandard is absolutely hilarious. Exclusives are the reality of the console landscape and Xbox fans should feel a sense of betrayal by this news. Particularly those who have invested in this ecosystem for the last decade, and are finally starting to see some big games coming this year. The lack of communication or clear strategy by Xbox leadership has been evident for years, and fans who have stuck with them should be frustrated by the future vision.
I am quite sure majority of Nintendo fans would be extremely happy, if zelda were on xbox, ps or even pc. Did you see how totk run on switch?
As a fan of both Nintendo and Sony, to me it depends on the game.
Mario should stay exclusive. Zelda should go multiplatform.
Uncharted should stay exclusive. Spiderman should go multiplatform.
Halo should stay exclusive. Forza should go multiplatform.
Imo this whole mess shows how Gamepass is not sustainable and they need to start recouping money from sales on other platforms, the subs have stopped growing for almost 2 years at this point iirc and i think they said it was around 15% of their revenue, these game companies make most of their money from the split they get by selling 3rd party games and MTX.
Xbox is already having trouble selling their consoles, if they start porting their exclusives to Playstation there is even less value to their consoles, that means even less hardware sales -> less potential Gamepass subs and lower 3rd party game sales wich in turn make 3rd party devs skip their platform entirely because of low user base/low sales.
Even if they only put their games on Playstation after a year, from a Playstation user point of view that means that they only have to wait one year and after that each year will have both Playstation and Xbox exclusives to play, its a no brainer.
Microsoft doesn’t care about selling xbox consoles; they want you to sub to gamepass. You can do that on your pc, your xbox, your tv, etc… Thunking about things in terms of console sales is old fashioned. Apple hits market saturation on the iPhone, so what do they do? Create music and iCloud subscriptions for the iPhone
@@ph4z0n18They probably do care about xbox still. On Switch and Ps, part of the subscription money would go to the platform holder.
I feel like you've got to be careful with hi fi rush. I mean maybe you do just put it out whenever.
But I know if it comes out on ps5 anytime soon I won't be getting it day 1. Just because there are so many games at the moment.
But April or may would probably be perfect.
I think they are gonna release certain xbox games on playstation like hifi rush and gears of war just to get a new audience.
The next halo is internally listed as being made for other consoles besides Xbox and pc. Thursday will be interesting to say the least.
@MuMasoo Ohh man it's on Thursday thought it was gonna be on Monday
Hearing Huber talk about Yakuza games is so cozy. I feel like I’m in a warm blanket with hot cocoa ❤❤
Good to hear a fan. Get m'y liké because i love yakuza games
15:05 I’m not that concerned about hardware pricing because if a console is going to be $600+. Then you can start building gaming PCs at the same price for better performance. So either they need to exceed the performance of a gaming pc at the same price or have a cheaper console. A console for $600+ would be a hard sell.
Depends on the person tbh, If let’s say GTA 7 or Elder Scrolls 6 is only available on a new gen console I would totally pay $600+ for it. I personally don’t like pc gaming and even more I don’t like the look of a gaming pc in my house, fucks up the aesthetic lol
Disagree that exclusives shouldn’t exist. It’s fun when different console brands having their own exclusives unique to their console. Xbox exclusives are mostly trash so I like Xbox going 3rd party because it makes sense.
I'm glad you guys brought up the potential monopoly PlayStation would become and how bad that could be, despite how brief the discussion was. A lot of game news outlets on UA-cam don't bring that up.
And a lot of game news outlets / UA-cam doesn't cover how gamepass has been slowly introducing a worse system for gaming under the guise of "it's the best deal in gaming!"
Any and all subscription services have started as a good deal and slowly ramped up to giving you less while costing more. Every streaming site does this (most notably Netflix atm), ps plus has done this late last year, and gamepass itself has led already to game quality not being the focus at launch but trying to push games as a service for first party titles from Xbox.
The big picture here isn't pointing to just Playstation having a potential monopoly (because Nintendo has exclusives that are rock solid too still) but more to the fact that the games industry as a whole is getting worse all across the board. Removing ownership of games, increasing cost of games, increasing MTX seen in games, the attempt at making live service games more prevalent in the market, the attempt at pushing NFTs in games etc.
I mean shoot all streaming services have increased ads and commercials by a crap ton does anyone remember when they started there weren't ads at all and now we have to pay extra for less or no ads lol. Thank god Introducing ads to video games has been almost entirely shunned and disallowed to date. I especially was happy to see the way they tried to introduce ads in SF5 never resurfaced again (so far!) and they had to walk that back entirely.
@@MrKryton24 gamepass is still the best deal in gaming currently, especially because you don't even need a console for it.
How is Sony gonna have a monopoly yall pretending like Nintendo doesn't exist lol stop
@@MrKryton24gamepass is a great value. Paying 70 dollars each for a game that probably doesn’t have a demo is just stupid and anti consumer. You can also still buy games that are on gamepass at full retail value if you want
"competition is good" is a baby-brain truism. Standardization is ALSO GOOD. Hollywood studios compete for box office dollars, and that is good. But it would definitely not be good if there were 10 different incompatible movie media formats.
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*A win for consumers who own PS5s and Switches --- if you don't own those things you're losing out.
I wonder how different this conversation would be if it were PlayStation first parties going multiplatform and Xbox not sharing...
You're so right. Xbox will base all its strategy on gamepass and cloud gaming. No need to manufacture Xboxes in the future. They couldn't sell consoles in the japanese market, where Sony and Nintendo did millions sales.
Exactly. Everyone saying Xbox should put their games on other platforms but not the other way? Yeah, I don't see how everyone wins here if it's only one side.
There's always been a double standard with exclusives when it comes to Xbox. And unlike Sony and Nintendo, MS has been releasing their exclusives day and date on PC. That's not insignificant.
I also think losing xbox is bad for the console market in terms of resilience.
If next gen there is only one option and that option bombs for whatever reason. Console gaming is just dead.
I still buy consoles because I like the games. But should I have the option I’d play all of them on my pc. Console performance has been lackluster since the ps3/360 generation. Releasing games on as many platforms as possible is the best consumer practice.
You mean since the ps4/xboxone im assuming. The ps3 tech was amazing at the time and was even used in various research facility's because of its powerful cpu.
@@joeyisabsb1 No, PS3/360 generation is the worst offender. They have horrible performance. Many games played at sub 30fps and sub 720p internal resolution. Just look at the many videos done by digital foundry about this topic. Cell being good at simulating protein formulas in a lab =/= good performance in gaming. It's super apparent if you have a game running on a PS3/360 and the PC version running at 1080p60 side by side. The difference is night and day.
I'd definitely pay for Game Pass on my PS5, but I'd never buy an Xbox console.
1:01:00... LOL! not even halve the people who have Switches have Mario Kart 8D 😂
That game has like the most insane attach rate ever. Probably nr1 besides bundled games
GTA5 did 195 but on 3 generations across who knows how many consoles..
As a series x owner I hope Xbox goes multi platform.
1:07:00... this is not installbase Uber. MSFT had 85 million 360's and NOTHING, not even COD comes anywhere near the Nintendo top 20 entry level.
Switch top 10 is like HALVE of all software sold on X360? Or at least fairly close. Thats nothing less than insane.
Also Sony doesnt do Nintendo numbers and their installbase is fine and their 3rd party sales are gigantic.
But that 1st party insanity, makes Nintendo so profitable.
We don’t know jack about what Xbox is doing until we hear this week. They’re not ditching exclusives altogether that’s a guarantee though. I wouldn’t doubt if they made multiplayer games like SOT, COD, Diablo, etc. multi-platform. Then just a case by case basis for single player games. They have 30+ studios now, so even if they give PS and Nintendo an exclusive here and there, it’s not like the world is falling apart at Xbox. Some would argue it could even help the brand if you give people the choice of buying these games for $70 or having them all on a subscription for cheap 🤷🏻♂️
Another thing I’ll add is Phil Spencer said a month or two ago that gamepass is still sustainable
I dont own Mario Kart 8 despite owning over 50 physical switch games. The reason is I still own my Wii U with MK8 on it and even then I never really played it much.
I like how people say Xbox is the new Sega. Xbox was ALWAYS Sega. I bet that none of you here know (or even the people at Easy Allies) that SEGA WAS NEVER A STAND-ALONE COMPANY. It was always a division of another company, in other words Sega always had a sugar-daddy propping them up. Also Sega NEVER made any profits post Genesis. This is why CSK, the company that owned Sega, pulled the plug on them and SOLD THEM OFF to Sammy. Xbox is the same, a division that has NEVER made profit, propped up by sugar-daddy Microsoft. Let's see how long its going to take for Microsoft to pull the plug.
Xbox never making a profit is just factually wrong.
@@Ayoul Show me the profits of the Xbox division. I'll wait.
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Still waiting?😢
PSplus is not horrible, what a bad take, it gets great games but thats on you guys and your privilege of free games. Also, you're talking about renting games, that's what sub services are, like how is this a conversation.
Xbox is like a teenager spending too much money on video games. And daddy Microsoft wants to cut the cord.😅
If my teenager is making me billions, I definitely wouldn't be too mad about it.
Gee, if only millions of people had told them for the last 10+ years that they need to actually make good games that people want to play! Now even PlayStation users are turning their nose up at the prospect of being able to play Starfield because its just mediocre.
They can keep trying to ignore the quality of their product and keep selling gimmicks and "new ways to play" but at the end of day, they can't keep getting away with putting out such trash for such a long time.
LOL! What do you guys care? You guys are Sony ponys. You can celebrate Sony's win while they increase prices, lay off employees, and close studios.
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Blood goes stop interrupting people lol. Go with the flow of the conversation. Worse when it's damiani who's on delay.
People need to stop complaining about friends being excited to talk about things amongst eachother
@@charoleawood he's the king of interrupting. Watch any podcast where he's not the host and it's indefinitely better. He's not the lead
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Y'all have made every host of the EZA Podcast out to be a villain, "Kyle sucks, we want Jones. Jones sucks we want Blood" --- it just never quits!
Complaining about interruptions is just a red herring.
@@charoleawood didn't say that did I. All I'm saying is he should stop interrupting. This is a common comment on these vids
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They all interrupt, they are friends, and their energy and enthusiasm is why I tune in --- some of the very best EZA content has been interruptions.
Anyhow, I watched the whole episode here and there weren't any pointed interruptions that I can remember, perhaps leave some time stamps to enlighten me?
"xbox, the most powerful console "
Consumers: wheres the games?
Rename Gamepass to Xbox and release it on everything. So even if you’re using Gamepass on ps5 you’re playing on Xbox. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Microsoft the new Sega
PS6 being 599 would be a deal by time it comes out, given the inflation rate under Biden.
But,games like,Starfield wouldn't be able to run,even on switch 2 hardware. So,Xbox games on Nintendo, especially first party,be near impossible
Witcher 3 was ported to Switch 1...
Looks like you own a Switch 2 before everyone else, since you are making comments what it can run and what it cannot
You can already stream gamepass games on weaker hardware. Just need a decent connection.