GIANT SMASH BROS CHEATING SCANDAL EXPOSED
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- It's been uncovered that for numerous Smash Ultimate online events, numerous players shared an account titled the "Phantom Thieves", sending in choice members for various matchups to gain a competitive edge. Funny, sure, but as I dug deeper it seems that this account has potentially prevented thousands of dollars from other competitors.
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I think the funniest part about this whole thing is that these guys are claiming to be like the Phantom Thieves when in reality the Phantom Thieves would def attack the group of people who are collaborating in order to tip fights in their favor and win tournaments 💀
Ironic
i remember having a dream where my discord friend was talking about persona fans being arrogant
did i say dream? i meant REVELATION
reminds me of a sidequest that happens IN persona 5.
@@superdimentiobrolyXThe “Gun About!” cheater! Thankfully, no one will have to go to Akihabara and learn a technique in order to expose these cheaters. lol
@@CraigsCornerStudios *hypocritical
these fools really were roleplaying persona characters in the smash community… and it pretty much worked
This fool*
All of those people are under one person
@Rylade475 How does “ this fool really were roleplaying persona characters in the smash community… and it pretty much worked” make sense to you- just because they’re under one account doesn’t mean you refer to them as one person lmao.
@@brehella770 Yeah I actually misunderstood the situation, my bad
@@rylade475 did you think they "identified" as one person so we were obligated to address them that way?
@@danm8004 I assume they misunderstood and thought one person used several accounts to get more chances after being knocked out or smth
This is Cheating, no arguments about it. HBox explains it himself. _But I gotta hand it to them; _*_They got style._*
This is so funny and impressive that they only now got caught. We truly have been struck by smooth criminals. 😆
@@DSmith3279 You do have to tip it with how they've been able to get away with it for this long
YOU’LL NEVER SEE IT COMING!!!
@@DSmith3279 Akechi must've snitched on the Thieves like in the game
@DSmith They didn't get caught, they exposed themselves on purpose.
If only they didn’t compete in sponsored tournaments this would be the greatest thing ever
No, that makes it even better. They're phantom THIEVES.
100% agree
its better that the dude had no way of collecting the money tho
I would still dislike it, but at least it wouldn't inflict any real, tangible damage.
@@Masaru_kun That doesn't change anything. Legitimate players were robbed of potential prizes, the damage was done.
Imagine if they were called the DK Crew instead and just played different colors of Diddy and DK
That would be the best idea ever because monkey assault sounds better than mistery group
Just get 5 switches, and join the arena on all of them, then just switch which account is in the arena lol. Its all 1 player, just multiple accounts, lol
Bruh
Let's do it lmao
I can understand how this probably had humble/friendly beginnings but yeah with actual money on the line it's clearly wrong. Don't know if anyone on the group actually made/pocketed money from it but ironic if someone in the phantom thieves were actually a victim of greed.
Pretty sure on Twitter I remember non having taken any money
I can answer this
Desk made $5, Echofire made $10. These were from tournaments not affiliated with hbox. No profit was made from Coinbox
@@BIGDUCKHUNTFAN Pac-Man isn’t low tier u bot
@@Qbular alright mister idk abt this one
@@BIGDUCKHUNTFAN nothing I can say that you don't already know about the morality of the situation, so I won't go there and you guys have been put on display as it is.
What I will say is that this is (if there was no money involved) a hilarious skit and RP. Unfortunately there were victim, but I can see that was clearly not the intent and big up for coming clean and trying to rectify the situation
This actually has me so excited. This is the first controversy that has mystery and is not dealing with anything threading or genuinely felon.
And yet the smash community remains an embarrassment
Man if it wasn't a sponsored event this would actually be a hella funny troll come on man
HBox really went all Sae Nijima to uncover the truth. This is prime entertainment.
YOU MUST'VE HAD CONNECTIONS TO SKILLED PLAYERS TO ADVANCE IN THE COINBOX! DID YOU?! ANSWER ME!
He had to run the gambit.
Nah more of makoto
Sae never figured anything out
He had to ROLL THE DIIIICE
SEE WHERE THEY MAY FALL
@@zuldagamer1875
MODERATE SPOILERS
she actually kind of did. If you give her the phone she knows later. If you don't she knows outright.
I love how Hbox is trying so hard to take this seriously but he’s also loving how fucking amazing this is
It's kinda serious though.
Ong
While we can all agree that this is definitely inexcusable, as a massive P5 fan, this was funny as hell
I excuse it.
Sorry ass Persona fans tbh.
What system did you play P5 on, UA-cam?
@@JulianneStingray PlayStation
Unlike a decent amount of Persona 5 fans, I have actually played the game, the original and Royal too
I think they should be banned for a temporary period of time but not permanently. They aren’t threats to the smash community and this had friendly intentions. They just need to recognize that a sponsored event isn’t the place for these kinds of games and a temporary ban would achieve that. That said this was funny as hell and put smiles on many faces.
we dont know about the intentions, in the end they stole money and they knew they were gonna do that. Afterwards saying that is was all for fun is easy. im down for temp bans till a certain border has been reached. When you steal money you are definitly crossing that line.
Thieving lying worms is what they are. Idc what their intentions were the road to hell is paved with good intentions 😂
@@captainkeller2792 we weren’t profiting from like 10 bucks split between 10 people from a tourney we all could have won individually, I’m pretty sure the only money that was won was done by only one person playing on the account if I remember correctly
Nah this is i hilarious, I respect it. They should be banned. But I respect it.
You know the absolute funniest part is now that the whole thing is out seeing this video and knowing when he said "SINCE WHEN DOES HE HAVE A DUCK HUNT???" and knowing that was BDHF i fucking LOST MY SHIT
Why can't all smash drama be something so light hearted and funny 😂
because the community is ran by transsexuals
People lost out on money, it's funny but it definitely ain't light.
Cause they like minors too much
It's because of you guys (All smash players)
@@akdreamer6497 they would've lost no matter what if all the Phatnom Thieves were in the tournament to begin with. So they would've lost anyway.
This is the most based cheating scandal I’ve ever seen
Ah yes I can’t win let me get my friends to play for me how based
@@thesaltmerchant4564 Well I mean it's based by cheating standards
They probably had good intentions but didn't think it through. They didn't see how many players they were damaging with their antics. I hope they learn from their mistakes, right the wrongs they did and take more care on their future antics.
its not that deep
@@TWIKIPEDIAFAN34728 When there's real money on the line ($2,000), it kinda is
@@HawkTeevs its not deep because no one is trying to support a living from that type of prize. what you most likely get if you actually won something is pocket money. but its still money and thats the issue. its like seeing a kid trying to scam another kid for that charizard card they own or whatever no one is gonna make a big deal out of it.
@@HawkTeevs i was literally there when the group was created lmao, they just thought itd be funny. you getting all pressed over the competitive integrity of online smash bros ultimate is a joke
It’s crazy to me that it needs to be explained why this is a problem. Sure the Phantom Thieves thing was a joke, and this is a video game tournament so “it ain’t that deep,” but $2,000 is $2,000 that someone was robbed of because someone thought it’d be funny to enter as five players in a trench coat
Every day I wake up, there's some new Smash controversy. Can the fanbase just be normal for one second?
This wasn't even that bad at all. This was more like a dumb prank than an actual attempt at winning. They even said that they never accepted any money during the scheme.
I'm sure the people who got eliminated a little earlier than they otherwise would have felt cheated, but they were still nowhere even close to making any money.
Have you seen 'real' sports? This is normal.
When is there NOT gonna be one?
The day the smash community isn't having some weird stuff going on is the day hell freezes over.
But as everyone said: This was a bit of a nothing burger. The video title just made it seem more serious than it actually is.
It doesn't help that Smash is huge scene spanning multiple games, so when something happens in one Smash scene it basically happens in all of them.
HBox is gonna post an apology video tomorrow after his heart changes
Textbook cheating yeah, but ayo... doesn't this sound like an awesome idea for a tournament format? Basically a mix between singles bracket and crew battles. Each team registers as 1-3 players. Every set both teams blind pick their starting player & character. During the set a team can swap out their player after a game loss, but only once per set.
Isn't that like the crew battles from back in the day?
Shadow Hbox really dealing with the phantom thieves after the calling card... tragic for our heroes
I can't possibly understand how members of this community will bitch and moan about not being accepted as a genuine e-sport or respected as a community by Nintendo when this is the example we set, and with these idiots defending it like wtf. Cheating is cheating and when it comes to sponsored events, there needs to be a level of professionalism or we're always gonna be a joke. Damn im annoyed
Exactly.
I'm honestly surprised with the amount of people who are sympathizing with what is clearly cheating. I don't care how many _weeb cringe_ coats of paint you put on your cheating, *it's still cheating.*
Thing is though, I don't expect the smash community to have the emotional maturity to handle any real situation.
@@MiaoNya most people in the community are children especially the ult side this could’ve been a Robin Hood plot and people would be mad it’s literally only because of the persona shit people are ok with it
God I love persona 5 the music is used perfectly here. Great video. P.S lol to the people who don’t understand why having another player play for you shouldn’t be allowed especially in sponsored events.
the biggest offense is calling themselves the phantom thieves
My favorite part to this video is when he realizes they’re called the Phantom Thieves, you can immediately see him look at his second monitor to put on persona 5 music
Permaban all of them tbh. Stealing from the people who played fair of their $2,000 and cheating in a sponsored event is blacklist worthy.
“If one comes out and reveals the other’s identities” Hungrybox really became Sae Niijima right there.
But it was for the funny, so they automatically get off Scot free
It is a legitimate interrogation strategy used by cops which is why she uses it in the game in the first place.
@@mechashadow Yes, I wasn't saying it's a bad thing. I was just pointing out the plot similarity because it's a bit uncanny that they chose the Phantom Thieves moniker and are now echoing a plotline of the game.
Ok woah, we didn’t profit at all from the coinbox and offered to re-imburse ppl. None of the ppl we eliminated were seeded for top 8 anyway. Everyone denied payment because they felt like they hadn’t been cheated.
so vindictive, learn to enjoy things
actual joker lore
Haha
Tbh, one of a cheating scandals I can sympathies with. They had a theme that they stuck with, had style to pull it off and the skill to make it to the end.
They made it obvious enough that I don't think it had bad intentions, if you want to cheat by joining as group, there are easier and better ways to hide it. They pretty much outed themself as group just the way they used the phantom thiefs as main theme.
The money really makes it a bad ending, if there would have been nothing on the line it would have been a great story, but might have never reached as much attention. And attention is what the phantom thiefs are about :P
According to Duckhuntfan they didn't take any money
imagine caring about money over memes
@Asta x Noelle true, money is semitic
@@ulysses5439 They literally robbed players of earnings.
@@ulysses5439 what.
This would have been great if they had been participating separately, yet joining the lobbies of the other members as they had their own fights (in tandem, so it's more epic). This would require notifying the TOs beforehand probably, but it would have been fair while still remaining cool as a concept.
2 days later and the community's reaction should be more of an issue than the cheating itself is. Because a large portion of it is saying that they are ok with it because it was "funny." So they are encouraging someone else to do it again
These Phantom Thieves are WILD
I honestly hate cheaters, they disgust me.
In the case that they actually didn’t earn money only 70% of the guilt has been lifted the other 30% is from them defeating other players that might have won the tournament
His statement was good. They're so much shorter when there aren't any excuses lol
These guys actin' more like Medjed than the Phantom Thieves.
Steal your heart, more like steal yo money. These theives be real thieves and stain the phantom thief name.
People potentially STEALING THOUSANDS of $$$, and people in the chat saying, "Just let them have fun".
Igor: "In the end, your rehabilitation was not carried through. It appears I have underestimated you."
Caroline : "You incompetent prisoner!"
Justine: "The assistance we provided was all for naught."
Igor: "Our game has ended. Ruin shall be coming momentarily."
Igor: "Enjoy the rest of your life in there repenting for your actions..."
"WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHO'S IN THE PHANTOM THEIVES"
This case was the funniest 😂😂😂
Joker will FINISH YOU off, Acid
It's not cheating, it's breaking the rules with style.
No. This is just pathetic. No style, no substance.
Could you please explain…
dont be stupid
@@hi1itsme They wont, they know its cheating and just wanna make an dumb excuse for why its ok lol
Pretty sure this is just a Toy Story reference and not a serious defense.
this is literally the plot of p5
This is why Nintendo doesn't take the comp scene seriously
Ok... as bad as it is that this was a big deal, that's a REALLY funny way to cheat. They were REALLY dedicated to the cause. Props to them for going so far with this bit. It really sucks that they were cheating in sponsored events though. But in the end, game respects game, and if we were to ignore the actual cheating that's a fantastic bit.
Bro what if TO’s just placed them in random places of the bracket as like a miniboss, but the player they fight will move on in bracket regardless. It’d be a fun intermission for tourney streams.
Yeah, the payment and all that sucks. It is funny this essentially plays out like Persona 5, but the bad ending.
I wanted them to be like “we actually still gave the money to the other finalists to “keep quiet”” lol
This some high game meta. Mini bosses called Steves and now Phantom thieves! Its up to the hero's (competitors) to take them down lol
The Desk they're talking about isn't the same one who has done Street Fighter combo vids for ages, is it? I'd be heartbroken if it was
Hbox getting sent the calling card was the coolest thing ever.
The people who defend these "phantom losers" would defend Logan Paul because he didn't make any money off his scam. Not only did they take away players chance to win money, they also took their opponents time, and could have besmerched Hbox tourney legitimacy. If they didn't get caught or exposed how long would they have kept up this act really ask yourself.
Everyone gangsta till Hungrybox starts counting from 10
Dude I didn’t know persona 5 got DLC and Hungrybox is in the game 😱
Bro 5 smash players in a trenchcoat frfr
People who think this isn't cheating are actually completely delusional
It's not that it isn't cheating. It's that it is really funny
It's just not cheating that I care about. It's funnier than it is bad
5:08 Chat said “Hungrycop” 😂
The funniest thing about this to me is the fact that the actual Phantom Thieves would without question go after the people here for cheating in a tournament to steal away earnings from other players, if that isn't the definition of ironic then idk what is
My favorite part about this whole thing is some chat members are spamming that they are Phantom Theives in order to blend the real Phantom Theives
honestly is hard to not think all 77 followers of the phantom thieves account knew about it/were involved.
Ah man, this has "Robin Hood Supporters" written all over it. If they get banned, there's gonna be a small part of the community that thinks the Phantom Thieves situation are too funny and cool to punish so harshly. Imo, just reimburse the pots, temp ban however you want just not permaban, and make a solid rule that prohibits naton switching since it was clearly and unspoken rule until now.
But I think it would be entertaining for a Baton Ultimate Singles. Like Crew Battles but with the 1v1 Bo3 ruleset. We can make something entertaining out of this but that's just me lol
It’s funny and ironic how we expect Nintendo to treat its players right and fair. Yet constantly, the smash community’s actions don’t deserve rightful treatment. It’s always some bull shit in the smash scene. No wonder Nintendo don’t want anything to do with Smash simply makes sense now. Every other week there is always a scandal.
Bro the funniest thing about this all is how they acted like this was just a giant gag, while in reality it was several rule breaks at once. And if they would have stayed more shut, no one would have noticed
Why didn’t they just form a crew and do this??? It would of been infinitely more ethical and cool
Honestly, good on the guy for agreeing to reimburse funds if necessary. It wasn't right to cheat in a sponsored event of course, but it sounds like he's genuinely trying to make amends for his behavior, which I will always support
also this entire situation was funny as fuck, I hope they eventually come back and pull this shit in non-sponsored tournaments
Thats some nasty stuff... anyone who says they're innocent is trolling.
Ah yes, my favorite part of Persona 5 when the thieves enter the metaverse to play smash in an online tournament.
Also, if they're all taking names of the actual thieves, who the hell is Mona?
I think this could've been a fun story had it ended with only for fun tourneys being played. Instead this is a story of terrible people doing terrible things, while disguising it as lighthearted fun and using that to justify it.
I wouldn't go that far, They are just a group of people really passionate about Persona and thought it would be funny, I really doubt there was any malice or ill intent on their end. You can be upset but calling them terrible people is beyond reaching
@@Grimoire_Heart1113 They entered tourney's that pay out money thats were they crossed the line.
@@ziggylarkdust That's a valid take for sure! But i wouldn't call them terrible people for that, Just stupid
This reminds me of when a single account was getting world records in individual tracks on Mario Kart 64 and it ended up being a few guys doing different tracks.
Imagine blocking a chance at some money from half a dozen contestants. Anyone who thinks they're innocent is a few cows short of the herd.
I’m sorry but I can’t stop laughing this shit is fucking hilarious
Especially with the P5 music 💀
Um, HBOX? Are you going to address the thing Desk said about never accepting any money from their shenanigans? Where was the money going then? Hello?
I can understand the idea of it. I don't really feel like they are bad people as much as they just didnt think things through. Now had there been any tournaments in the past where they did this same thing then and have been gaming the system to win money from others then I can't defend that but this just seems like a troll that wasn't the most thought out. Funny if this was a one time thing but horrible if they had been using this tactic repeatedly to cheat competitors out of funds.
5:00 CLASSIC PRISONERS DILEMMA LOL FANTASTIC
They DID steal our hearts tho
Okay, but hear me out... Tag team smash tournaments
"I do my crosswords in pen !!" Thats commitment
This still scared me when seeing this on Twitter. Considering there's a literal group of Phantom Thieves from Persona 5 stans doing this is impressive, but they feel like they have zero empathy nor sympathy just because they wanted to get a dang cash prize and split it.
And when you think about it, they could've HARMED online competitive smash if this wasn't resolved as fast as it was.
i just wanted to create a meme bro
Yo, Hbox literally became a Persona Character. Solved a simple yet hard mission to uncover a mysterious multuser account, such a legend
so even base level if the placing didnt mater people also need to realize that it affects the integrety of the turnamen example you face one player then he sends in some one else with a dife char set that you havent practiced agenst or warmed up for between games. also the breaking of trust is a huge thing in that makes it hard to trust people involved or even the tourny in question because people are afraid of lets call it rigging. i agree this was bad but i understand some of the confusion for people who dont compeat or to
No tag teams in tournaments despite how cool that sounds
YOU NEVER SEE IT COMMING
This is quite literally children in a trench coat going to a casino
Honestly, if I lost earnings because of them, I wouldn't even be mad in this case.
never in my life have i seen people take a video game to such an unbelievably corny level
you did the right thing hbox
The p5 music is seriously on point though. props to the editor
Damn what they should have done was split the earnings with people in the tournament depending on how many there were or give it to the top 5
🎵We never saw it comiiiiiiiiiing🎵
bro really hit an ambush on the phantom thieves
POV: you got the bad ending of P5
This is like the first smash ultimate urban legend
Man if they just didn’t take the prize money that would’ve been a cool gimmick.
My last name is mango, but I can’t send in the real mang0 to play for me when I need to play a harder opponent…
4:50 ah hell naw where's crow at lol
0:44 hungrybox said Oovoo Javer
I've put like 50 hours into Persona 5 this past week and a half so seeing this whole video and hearing all the music is a mad surreal coincidence
So I'm not really sure what's going on here. Correct me if I'm wrong please. So this group of people would all enter a tournament 'together' while pretending to have different names of pro players to confuse their opponents, so when they played they weren't using the characters or strategies the player usually uses? Also because there's 5 of them that increases the chance of them winning the prize five-fold?
Is that is, or is it something else, because that's just what I deduced on my own...
"ALRIGHT!"
"Hockey... SHUT UP!" 😂😂😂
i love that the editor just used p5 ost lmao you goated
This is why people hate persona 5 fans and rightfully so doing stupid stuff like this and pissing everyone else off for no reason other than to think your being really clever and funny
Compared to the other dramas the Smash Community has faced, this one is basically just a tap on the shoulder
Is this cheating?
Imagine how an official tag team format would have to work. Each game in a set, each team selects one of its members to participate, before knowing who the other team picked. The teams all need to be the same size, or at least have between 3-5 people.
Being the only tag team in a regular tournament? No way. That's so unfair, knowing exactly who your opponent will be before your team picks, every game. Worse yet, every other team is smaller than yours, so you have more options, and you don't have to worry about fatigue.
It's obviously cheating. Fun concept though. Should make it a real format.