SMASH ULTIMATE IS BROKEN (Reaction)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Super Smash Bros Ultimate is far from a perfect game. We may know and love it, but we also need to look at and laugh at what makes it... Special. We're reacting to a video that points out all of the balance issues, bugs, and glitches that make Smash Ultimate what it is today!
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One of the things that pisses me off most about the echoes is that early in Ultimate's life they found that Peach and Daisy did have differences between each other through their Turnips and Nintendo PATCHED IT OUT. Like what the fuck?
They patched Diasy knockback scaling?I don't even play the character and I know that's messed.
Their idle-animations are a bit different making it a bit harder for some moves to hit daisy...
@@ABC-ik9vj ikr
she should’ve just replaced Peach 🤦♂️
Daisy could have been a more ground based character. Woulda been awesome 😭
Yeah.
Honestly, it won't have taken much work to change them up and its major shame to then didn't bother in a later patch.
I love how he’s purposely waiting to do “Melee is Broken 1&2” last lol.
same
“Hey! Thats my line”
True
Because melee is not broken as melee is the perfect video game
@@epicsause21 that was a good one 😂
Back in 1.0 Ultimate, King Dedede's F-smash used to hit shields TWICE. This meant a singlular, uncharged fsmash could instantly destroy your shield with no effort. They shadow nerfed this though without ever mentioning it.
He should make a new one since balance adjustments and DLC are done.
He commented on another reaction video (Marss, I think) and apparently he’s making a Part 3, it’s just taking some time
DLC fighters are super broken some of the damage they can do whit one opening is insane
He should not make a new one. Have someone new and more motivated to work on the game make it. I’m tired of reading Sakurai’s complaints on being forced to make the game.
@@harryn9351 I meant Heeew
@@harryn9351 reading comprehension moment
One of the few achievements I'm proud of is unlocking all the characters before they got patched.
Alternative (and more accurate) title: Smash Ultimate *was* broken
A lot of stuff in the “Ultimate is broken” videos got pretty outdated
I have a better one: Early Smash Ultimate was broken
I would've said pre-patch Smash Ultimate (cause it really was broken) but this vid is not about that lol
Well, ultimate is broken. The videos have outdated things but now there's just new Broken stuff. Consider how no dlc characters at all appeared in these videos
It is broken still
@@kestrel7493 Define broken. There are some pretty excellent moves still in the game but none of them feel broken to me. Luigi combos are hard, Peach combos are hard, Icies combos are hard, all the infinites that don't require TAS have been removed, insane kill moves like Rob and Roy side B are fine since anyone can edgeguard Roy, and anyone can make a combo video with Rob as the victim. Ultimate is not broken.
@@brain_tonic What about dlc? They are so easy to play and much better than the rest (usually - excluding Banjo & co.)
Fun Fact! the only difference in peach and daisy is that peach's down b does more knockback while daisy's does more base damage.
No, that's how it was at first. They've since patched it so that theyr are now exactly the same
@@AniMariBro still can't believe they did that to Daisy
Nah they patched that out pretty early
@@AniMariBro it blows my mind how instead of make Daisy more unique they decided to take out the only difference Daisy and Peach had in a patch, like...Why?!
Daisy had smash 4s turnip mechanics. They just patched it out
3:35 "They literally had to nerf computers."
And then after Kazuya decided to revert it back to normal, with him being the most bullshit of the bunch.
bot kazuya casually do a 0 to death on you
What can I say, the CPU found its main
@@juniperrodley9843 And then proceeds to raid an entire tourney because of it.
I never have an issue with Bot Kazuya he hasn't turned up on me yet
I honestly would've been happier if the computers weren't patched. Kazuya is not that difficult guys. I even destroyed him with my Little Mac. And I'm trash as Little Mac.
I actually loved it when unlocking CPU’s were extra hard.
Not only it was funny, but it felt like I had to earn the right to play as them.
Times it was like Sakurai said “This is secretly Lv. Dark Souls”
it made even more special if you knew top players got beaten by a character you have unlocked.
I think the term echoes was added so people would stop complaining about "clones"
And it worked
Last time i heard loud noises about that was back then in sm4sh each time a reveal was shown.
Dark samus is more than just a dark version of her she is the metroid prime with a phazon suit, she has powered up variant of the power beam with phazon that also works as a scattergun a phazon shield an explosive boost and never uses the morph ball.
She was added for a quick fanservice just like daisy.
You can really tell which franchises Sakurai likes and doesn't like.
Zelda hasnt had a new character since Melee, with half its roster being clones. Donkey Kong gets a new character every two games. None of the Metroid characters feel particularly faithful either, Samus has a super uninspired moveset and Dark Samus is a clone for no reason; the assist trophy in 4 had a better moveset! DK and Metroid only got new characters in Ultimate because fan demand was suuuper high. Kirby largely has only content from the games Sakurai made.
Contrast this to Fire Emblem. 2 of smash 4's 7 DLC fighters were FE, on top of 2 FE newcomers in the base game. One of them was from a game that wasn't even out yet, Corrin was a completely new name to the west! Chrom wasn't added because he'd be too similar to Marth, but then he adds Lucina anyway which is why we're in this echo mess to begin with; and then he adds Chrom in the next game anyway. And then we get *another* DLC character.
I love how we used to hate K Rools belly armor.
Now we have Kazuya. And all his super armor/invincibility/disjoint jank is the absolute worse in the game, especially in certain matchups.
I honestly don't understand what the developers thought here.
The armor I can understand, but all the invincibilities on top of it is overkill.
Plus he has a move that pushes your out of shield. What?
Which doesn't matter because he can also just break it.
Kazuya feels like a child who hates losing developed this character
"And then he can shoot lazers from his eyes! And he can fly! And he can shoot rockets!"
I remember actually when the game first came out my mom got me a pro strategy guide with all the frame data and Info for version one. it's always weird seeing old source info for a game that gets patched be completely different
18:25 Yyyyeahhhh idk about that For both players. I verse Spamus, Spamonts, Links and they seem cool with it 😭
7:17 oh man this was the shit
8:48 I agree. I knew that the infinite Assist Trophy glitch was getting patched so I made sure to try all of them possible with my friend. Also I only know of one item glitch that still exists and hasn't been removed. It's a glitch related to Pyra & Mythra Ditto and Vulpix.
If I recall right the only difference people could find between Peach and Daisy in the early days was something about their Turnips that made each of theirs better in certain scenarios something with knockback angles if I remember right, but shortly after this was found out it was changed and afterwards if I recall Peach's were just outright better in almost every way which was sad cause I liked Daisy's Aesthetic better myself.
Ah yes, back in the day when we thought K Rool and the Belmonts were OP. Almost nothing has changed about them, heck they've been buffed since then, and everyone thinks they suck now.
Yeah K Rool has received an incredible amount of buffs (3rd most buffed after Rosa and Mewtwo) and he's still like mid tier at best.
remember when samsora tried arguing that peach and daisy are basically two different fighters while lucas and ness are the same thing?
Idk if yall remember but burying used to be way stronger they nerfed all burying moves really fast
Actually, they made it even worse in a way, as trying to mash out at 120+ required what I call “damage risk” levels of mashing.
In addition to ink increasing damage, it's why Inkling was so much of a menace on launch. You get buried with the roller and that's a free kill
As far as I know, inkling's ink damage was never nerfed or changed
And inkling is still unfortunately garbage
@Uchechi Godwin-Offor must be rough
*laughs in Captain Falcon main
@@ngotemna8875 and Captain Falcon is still not too tier or that good in general. He is alright, mid of high tier
@@elitecombine5373 And that changes the fact he got way more buffs than inkling.... how?
@Uchechi Godwin-Offor They buffed: Splat bomb damage, nair links, refill endlag, f tilt damage, up tilt scoop, splattershot range, f smash sweet spot.
Sure that's like on the lower end compared to some other characters, and I also feel that Inkling is not strong in the meta... but they're perfectly OK.
What I would have liked is for Inkling to get another kill move, maybe if Bair had some decent knockback scaling it would go a long way for the character IMO.
5:47 Remember Ninkendo? I forgot about him for a while and then managed to remember him, checked out what's new on his channel, and uhhh... nothing.
I miss when Greninja could bounce off platforms with down air.
*What if Kazuya had a challenger approaching before the nerf?*
When Kazuya first came out, I could not beat him with any of my mains. I mirror matched him and beat him first try. Granted I was a little bit spammy with his laser for one of the kills, but still I don't know how I beat him with a character I had never used before.
@@nyquillusdillwad9119 Perhaps you're talented with Kazuya, or maybe the CPU just didn't adapt well. CPUs have trouble with some things humans would deal with fine, so they'll occasionally fall prey to opponents far below their level.
"Double belmonts are unbetable, spamming projectiles has no penalties"
Link nair
tbf, daisy and peach had different turnip knockback but as soon as people found out nintendo decided to remove it
forgot that there was an exploit where leffen could get someone banned for no reason
?
What would you do if I told you I was the one who threw the crab. But I threw, not to hurt you, but to show my love for you and to feed you, because I knew you were the hungriest box, and I knew you had earned it
Daisy dies 1% earlier to Inkling up throw up air 🤓
I’m awaiting Melee is Broken, because it is very broken. Fight me.
K Rool Down throw actually is an infinate if your used to your opponents mashing, just d-throw, jab (depends on character size while grounded), regrab into pummel 4 times, specifically 4+, D throw and repeat, then just D-smash since that got buffed.
I usually do this when my opponent is at 60+ at center stage.
When my friend plays incineroar I bait him into using his counter and right as he uses a smash attack, thinking he has the upper hand I counter his smash attack with sora, instakilling him lol
Changed the computers from playing like real people to now just reading inputs and picking the faster option at high levels. While it's nice to practice getting reads and true combos, it's incredibly fucking annoying when computers always perfect airdodge an attack that will hit them, but don't airdodge an attack that won't hit them or when you do an empty jump. They're more tilting than challenging now IMO. Bring back the old computers.
Name a single Smash game that's actually balanced (Other than Ultimate)
Also that G&W one was funny as hell
Ultimate
Edit: This man really edited his comment after I responded.
Melee players: Melee
Edit: Me: Smash 64
@@brain_tonic yep 🤣
where's the melee is broken 1&2? 🤨
I miss pichu :(
You can give him bigger hit box nerf and ftilt but if only we can revert self %
Its so sad that pichu got nerfed so hard he has literally never been good in any smash game except 1.0 ult
It sure was
Only real ones know how difficult those CPU’s were at the beginning of Ultimate
9:00 oh next version reaction too?? Nice
IMHO witrh your skill with floaties and Puff Peach/Daisy might be incredible for your roster I 1000000% agree
I wonder if the what makes it special in the description is a reference to how the Japanese title screen says dairantou smash brothers special
peach and daisy's only difference is turnip knockback
8:44
*How it feels to fight Rodin in Bayonetta 3*
10:30 I would LOVE to see Hbox pick up Peach/Daisy. When??
So your telling me that a game from 2018 has a item glitch that spawns over 30+ Rathelos's and won't make the game crash but a N64 game from 2001 can make the Switch crash whenever you get a game over in battle and can possibly erase your save data
Hey @Hungrybox I just wanna say, after everything you've been through with the toxic community that smash can sometimes be, you've shown nothing but perseverance. I have nothing but respect and love for you & your content. Keep being amazing man.
Low key would love to see you try maining peach seriously
5:53 Oh how times how changed. Tilts are not confirmed until 150
12:33 is a word that describes me
When I see today's Little mac, I am happy that we have patchs
The video creator needs to make an update for the most recent version
No one's gonna mention how originally Daisy had Peaches Smash 4 Turnips? But got patched to match Ult Peach? Nice
I missed launch version Lvl 9 CPUs. It was like a baptism through fire to condition me to play SSBU.
Too bad they didn't talk about Omilar with spirit who can OS or 2 shots every characters with every spirit, it was funny, too bad they patched it :(
Spirits as a whole are busted
this video talking about how smash ultimate is balanced aged poorly. now we got Steve, Kazuya, Pyra/Mythra, Min Min, and Sonic
Yeah K rool down throw and inkling both got nerfed to be easier to mash out of lol
Yeah the link up B was popular early on for mii swirdfighter but due to its kind of shorty recovery most miis switched to the octoslash recovery that is more versitial and while worse for killing with gale strike could better account for escape options or just have you combo into up air since that’s also pretty good
if you ask me, the honest most broken thing in ultimate is burying
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! I was laughing the entire time! 😂
Ivysaurs d-air was the biggest d-air until pyra pulled up…
Worth noting how most of the time 1 player playing 2 characters combos better than 2 players.
Ice Climbers are at their peak in ultimate in terms of sauce and skill level required to sauce
One of the issues with balancing everyone is that they all feel a little less unique. Sometimes being broken gives a character, well, _character._ Like how oddjob in goldeneye had his sheisty ass height advantage but picking him meant drawing the ire of your friends.
Clearly the solution is to give everyone one busted mechanic.
It’s a result of how streamlined the design has become since Smash 4. It works, but does take a lot of personality out of individual characters.
Rivals of Aether is an interesting alternative; all the characters in that game are super unique, but are also very balanced across the roster. Characters are also generally at a higher power level than in Smash Ultimate. Maybe give that game a shot?
Daisy has a *SLIGHTLY* different hitbox due to having a different idle animation. But, the difference is so *MINISCULE* it might as well not exist.
Have you heard of Steve?
as a mac player, i have to disagree with the vid saying mac forces campy play. you can whiff punish mac really hard, but you have to be familiar with the match up. you have to shield and punish smashes.
100 damage ken combo.. that absolutely everyone is sdiing out of
Too bad cuz you can’t
Some characters in ult are insane and some are just elite trash, and dlc are insane (apart from Sora and Banjo and PPoo) most pools involve someone having Pissra as a second option or first option, and people still call Pika the best but I don’t see it
Sora is really good, I don't know what you're on about
Ppoo? Also what no Sora is great.
@@theboi5584 great, not insane, and ppoo is pissy plant
@@OneMindReezy Very few DLC are insane. The only insane DLC is Min Min and Pythra. All others are either high tier or mid tier, with Plant being low tier in my opinion.
EDIT: I forgot about Joker. He's insane
@@charKT-7461 Joker used to be Top tier tho
I mean he still is but he used to be even better
That Infi-Shulk is the best character in Smash History.
the progressive knock back of the turnip of peach and daisy is the only difference, daisy does more at lower percents (barley) and peace does more at higher percents. with stitchface peach does more anyway.
2:05 NOT TRUE
But it might as well be. It's been PROVEN that Peach and Daisy have different knockback on their turnips. Besides that, the visual differences in their animations change their hurtboxes very slightly
The knock back got patched and now it’s the same, so only differences are in hit boxes and nothing else now
the turnip thing got patched like 2 years ago lol
i was at a high school esports tournament an these ice climbers were doing the infinite it was crazy
18:30 Good joke. I think I'll write it down.
19:54 Nah, Fox has had his good times with Melee. Let him burn.
The CPUs used to be complete nonsense.
How do you punish a jab? By perfectly spacing a F-smash so the wind-up dodges the hit box.
CPU's with counters are still BS....
has anyone noticed that in the counter recoveries when lucina was fighting the green dk, she phazed through the ledge?
Gumball & MrDanish ButterCookie have some insane Ice Climbers combos...
Richter actually has an Aura effect on his Holy Water
i think when they talked about the least fun to fight they forgot about min min and sephiroth
This video needs a "Only DLC" edition
I wish meta knight had a projectile
daisy is slightly shorter than peach and that's litterally the only difference between the two.
“AI plays like real people.”
So are you saying CPU lvl. 10 or saying that you’re joking and they’re a level 6?
I relate to that “FUCK INKLING ROLLER”
7:20 best bug
new players will never get to experience the tough ai to get new players, thankfully im chad enough to get all characters even with their cracked ai (i did have to rematch some tho)
OK. But why does Richter's u-air killscreen look cursed?
man coconut malls us after every video
he's too scared to watch Melee is Broken
They should add difficulty levels to the A.I like 1-20, 20 being melee pros
Did u know that peach and daisy are getting differences? Peach will get more bombs and daisy will get more heads
I just tried to pickup ice climbers and nearly cried how fast i dropped from 7 mill gsp to around 3 mill. Maybe I’m just bad at the game who knows
Seriously tho the doubles online is so dumb because of the trolls and people just running the same character to be annoying it’s unplayable with my experience, it sucks because usually when you hv people over and they wanna play, some one is way better then the other, so online is a great place to play together, but it’s sooooo bad 😂
What is the Pound Crab incident?
whoever dyingreality6 is i completely agree with you
The AI in ultimate were reasons i stopped ultimate. Ness and Lucas curbstomped me constantly. I still need to unlock the others
As a ken main I loved back then when people didn't know how to d.i. I could get the sickest shit on any random person, God help dk or ganon players back then
0:25 timing
I go on allll the time about 1.0 Pichu f-tilt. What a dumb move. I miss it so....
2:16 I physically fell I’ll watching this 🤢🤣
Problems with Ultimate: The Buffer.
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