Bruce Bugbee Series - Adding Microbes
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- The latest episode in the Dr. Bruce Bugbee series discusses the limited effectiveness of adding beneficial microbes to enhance plant growth, highlighting that while some instances exist where microbes can help, their overall impact is often overshadowed by environmental factors. Dr. Bugbee emphasizes that environmental adjustments, such as pH modification, are more effective for promoting plant growth compared to microbial inoculation.
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In salt based hydroponics microbes aren't added to make nutrients available. Rather they are added to fight off pathogens like Pythium and Fusarium. I would like to hear Dr. Bugbee's opinion on that use case.
I agree totally.
I've been adding them to my aero systems for about 20 years.
To keep my grow chambers and reservoirs safe.
And I've NEVER had any kind of problems.
@@assog5737 do you mind sharing a little on how you use them? What products and strains? Do you make teas etc?
I grow rdwc with the current culture. I use their nutrients as well I never ever put any organic in my system instead , I folliar spray microbes and some Organics in veg and 14 days into flower
He already gave you the answer. Inert media + synthetic fertilizer you don't need microbes, generally speaking. Rockwoll is inert, you don't need, but of you talk about DWC is different. In DWC the media is the water and that is not as inert media at all.
@@pedronascimento837 that is not correct at all. All salt based hydroponics is considered "inert" media, whether it is rockwool, water or air. It is as opposed to soil. And the question applies to all of them.
I literally can’t wait to see the controversy this stirs up in the community.
Bro this is a big statement
@@cory4419 Almost as big as whe he said bloom boosters were unnecessary and not productive.
Bro scientists will believe whatever they want to believe.
@@MikeParentLeap They aren't and this is from personal experience. A proper nutrient mix between 1000-1100 ppm is all you need is all you need. You're more likely to create an imbalance and burn your plants. I've grown baby arms with no bloom boosters or microbes in rockwool. In my opinion, Greengene's formula of a 4-2 ratio of Jack's and 2.5 ml/gal of silica armor is all you need for flower from beginning until end. No flush. I wouldn't use silica if you don't thoroughly clean your lines out between grows, as it will build up biofilm. The Athena formula is just as good, but they are a little expensive for my budget. Everything is ROI in this game. I'm speaking from 25 years of experience. I've used recharge, mammoth P, Tribus, TPS Billions, great white, all with unsulfured molasses. If there was a difference, I couldn't tell. Like I said ROI, microbes are super expensive with no noticeable change.
@@therrion5418 I run Jacks @ 1150 ppm total with tap of 150. I do reduce the Cal Nitrate and add Cal Sulfate the last two weeks.
Aka "please keep using cleanse, our most expensive input" and "use more balance"
these videos are great but everyone i show them to say the same thing, "they need to take the music out" - we're trying to hear the man speak.
Stop winging and open your ears then...
You must focus Daniel San lol
@@ru4skuba mate it is what it is, if you want the information you will listen to it.
I think you will find they're not going to change what they're doing. There probably pre recorded videos that are filmed in one day and released to us over time.🤷
Suck it up...
smoke less weed before you watch the video and maybe you won't get so distracted🎉
@@Magroo42 how do you know he smokes prior to watching?
i add them twice in the cycle, 8 bacteria and 8 fungi. i also manipulate the ph when i do this. Rootzone explosion and fast bud formation, with phosphorus negatively charged at negative 3. i also do a week 5 organic boost plus organic growth stimulators for some biomass and cell expansion with 4 bacteria and 4 fungi strains as i begin my fade early. This is where i also disagree with adding sugars , but they must be complex to enlarge the stems and caps. I love manipulating the size of the caps :) with some stress and ph manipulation during week 6. week 7 is where i love athena bloom then finish with chelates sulfur uptake and mag to supercharge the manipulated fade.mid week 8 is a leech down to 50 ppm and dryback at 40%, then its purified water for 7to 10 days. Oh the gas buddy! no bag can hold it. no spray no ipm, no mold no bugs no pm, merv 13 recirc with uv. filtered ins and outs, dry room has filtrete 2200 systems at 65 f and 55 humidity cause i like to trim fast at day 10 to get a nice sweat and start the cure on the terps.Dry just a few hours too long and its over bud, rehydr wont bring the skank back. burp burp burp at this point your cure master must manipulate it as each strain lol sorry cultivar @ucdavis is different, he must have a fantastic nose like me.
What 4 bacteria and 4 fungi strains are you using? Then relates sulfur and mag? Hi-Tech told Epsom salts flush. Would that be same effects or something different?
And as soon as you run cleanse through your pots they all die
Get into grove bags, they are my secret weapon now for drying. Week of hanging maybe few days extra then right into bag. So fresh
@@jspin3609 They will die sooner simply by being replaced by other types who are prevalent in the medium. These organisms are determined by the medium organic and physical composition, not by the grower hahaha but bro scientists still don't get it... they're chasing the wind mills...
ledged, please tag Dude Grows and FCP so they can learn to grow.
Some of the crap those guy say is next level dumb
Interested to see research regarding raised microbial activity increaseing terpene, flavanoid expression etc? Anecdotally i believe it does
You'd be wrong.
@semaphor3 any research you have links to?
Bruce is a space case chemical empire shill. He doesn't believe Cannabis will uptake calcium hexanoate. He only believes in the church of pesticide. Every lie he tells is to sell pesticides and fake terpenes. And get people hooked on fentanyl because their crap weed is a gateway.
Meanwhile the best weed grower on earth has specific microbes for specific strains and people never describe his weed as "gas", they have actual real descriptions of the drug experience to detail.
BRO-SCIENCE advocates will melt down after seeing this.
😂😂😂😂 you are so right
💯😆
Me, right n o w 🫠
No, its far more nefarious than Bro Science , its predatory manipulation of our community for profit ..
'I don't care what the science says!!! It works for me!!!'
thanks
Certain microbes are more of an insurance policy I have seen plants tolerate more stress when growing in cocoa and using beneficial bacteria but I spray something like photosynthesis Plus
But you can't scientifically prove that it was the microbes that done this and thats why bruce doesn't use microbes in his science project because we don't have enough knowledge on microbes yet
@@PatrickWilson-hy5yf Just saying someone can't scientifically prove something doesn't work doesn't mean they actually can't. You need to be careful making arguments like this, because technically, you're appealing to Bruce's authority on the subject, which is a fallacy.
Absolutely, 100% an experiment can be designed that proves or disproves this concept and to insinuate the opposite is not true, at all.
Furthermore, I also see microbial benefits in coco, especially inoculated with biochar. To each his own, but yeah, you might wanna learn about Newton's Flaming Laser Sword before you attack other people for literally not being able to wield it when you can't even swing it yourself.
Do you realize that these microbes die quickly or are replaced with more prevalent ones?
Well, he's not denying the fact that adding *specific* microbes could improve the rooting process, it seems like it is just not enough benefit in the end to keep doing it (depending on the medium and nutrition you are implementing).
I'm really a newbie to cannabis, however, I'll be running some trials on this topic soon to feed my own interest 👌
It's not bs. Run with and run without tests will tell you to add them. Id say I'm kinda new also but i learned what works and what doesn't
@@dmo848 for me it makes a lot of sense to add microbes, in my own experience I've been only fertilizing soil with Bionova Hydro kit and some other amends, there is a huge difference when i add mycorrizae and trichoderms compared to when I haven't but I have never tried using an inert medium like coco coir and that's what I'm doing next. How are you growing your plants?
I love guessing before I watch these.
I guessed 'snake oil' on this one too.
Microbiology is for living soil
Coco coir or peat isn't living soil you add the microbes the beneficial bacteria v organic matter or liquids the soil then comes alive
What about Bacillus amyloliquefaciens, theye seem to act differant then some when it comes to handling salts and other stresses like cold temps etc.
Theres studies that show mycohirriza vs bacillius, the bacillius roots are actually more explosive and u see more expanded growth tips on the roots
I get it for y’all salt guys but I’m natural so I need what’s plants have in nature in my garden
"They are already there" -Bruce
What???
@@ZZ_Trop I don’t feed anything but scraps to soil or I blend plants and fruits and water in
2:10 would that by chance be nitrification?
So if you are using soil is it beneficial ?
Yes
He said the indigenous microbes would take over in any event.
@@MikeParentLeap he said insert medias though!
Highly
@@dmo848 I’ve been using Recharge. Just wanna make sure I’m not wasting money lol.
I would like to hear his opinion on the rhizophagy cycle.
He can say what he wants there will always be these people that are against sience and will say they dont care! its so funny, just like with this white ash flushing myth :D
How about microbes from aquatic sources ? Ie those that deal with similar or exact waste from specific plant ?
Plant waste are already nitrates n bioavailable
@@thelastdemonoflaplace7760 I was pointing to microbe addition , Bruce didn’t mentioned anywhere what kind of microbes they were testing if multiple soil or aquatic ones too , as hydro is more closer to aquaculture than natural soil biome
How different would this video be if it was not sponsored by Athena? This video is just trying to get you to buy Cleanse.
Endo mycohirriza, 5 bacillius strains, some seaweed and enzymes maybe once every two weeks, will give u them hectic roots.
In my experience i saw notable differences, root explosion 100%. Ill stick to my own practice with this. ❤ to all.
So you'll stick to something that is not remotely backed up by studies and science but just your laymen understand of botany... okay.
@@semaphor3ive grown with and without, dear. And there is a massive difference in root mass. What do u think is in all manure, Mr science? 😂
@FabianRadu don't listen to trolls. Let them bash all they want. U know what works for you. And i agree with you by the way. Recharge and sensizyme for me then Bud candy to feed. Recharge mid flower again for extra boost of terps
@@dmo848 dint try recharge yet. i use bud factor x and big bud + b52 plus enzymes, bacteria and the rest from AN.
will give it a try soon
@@dmo848 real growers recharge u mean?
Microbes are naturally in soil. What point does it make to supply them in a mineral media
Kill off/outcompete pathogens. Bacillus amyloliquefaciens and certain Trichoderma species are widely used for this purpose.
Dramatic music lmao. Who the hell in the editing process thought it was a good idea? Cmon!
"They are already there"- microbes in the soil are always at max capacity.
Background music ist pointless here.
He is missing key points to soil biology, microbes are there even if you don't apply. Breakdown of any matter happens cause either oxidation or consumed by something. When you have a bag of so called sterile media and apply a species to host that material that has correlation to nutrient uptake for several plant species, I'd see it as beneficial. Also the plant naturaly builds a connection with anything that has energy like a power supply. This is why when you hold voltmeter when barefoot you get reading the life happening in soil is putting off that much energy metabalizing whatever. So the benefit I see is healthier more vibrant plants along with variable stresses that improve flowers quality. Soil will always win but in comercial the one with more control stands out so coco will be more efficient and that's why our food is trash now to.
I swear by earthworm castings
No one said worm casting don't work kid back to highagain for you thats your level
Run the following experiment:
Grow two plants side by side in coco coir amended with biochar, no pHing, and give them identical nutrient regimens, but feed one plant TPS Billions or Great White and feed the other plant no microbes. See which one dies and which one makes it to harvest and then come back and tell me that microbes don't do anything. I'll wait. Probably as long as you're still waiting for your dad to come home from buying milk and cigarettes. :)
I add no additives to my Athena feed plan 💯
I add no Athena to anything
@@skankhunt420 your loss
Thats the way ,a plan
@@skankhunt420 Yo adds 20-flask AdvancedNutcases "program"? hahaha
Dont take the music out, its good.
It sounds like a dramatic super hero movie or something lol
What about lantern technique?
Buy salts not microbs