thank you, i’m a beginner in germany and i like your format. it’s just straight information without obnoxious content. i noticed some issues with the background music. dial it back about 50 %. to make sure listen in production with a monitor. if you need help, i’m a audio guy and love your work.
Interesting, that must be why my setup is so successful. Growing in 10 gallon fabric pots with 50/50 peat/soil mix, but I water from my bioactive turtle tank. The waste and bacteria are a incredible source for beneficial bacteria and nutrients including phosphorus.
I really don't understand the calculations.. Bruce mentions they feed cannabis at 2.5EC throughout it's entire cycle. That's about 1250ppm.i believe.. if we only need 30ppm of Phosphorus what the heck is the other 1220ppm?
you are correct the math dose not work out , he dose not give his measurements of liquid , he could be measuring at molecular levels or drops of water , def not gal lol
@@jukeboxgaming1343you are incorrect. The measurements of a liquid or powder wouldn't mean anything if you don't use the same since they won't have the same concentration. However when you mix your element P (potassium) in a form of liquid or powder into your water whatever its concentration you just have to measure your mix and be at 30ppm, simple as that and don't forget your PH after aim for 5.8 in hydro have fun
@@jukeboxgaming1343it's more of a guide. Not a rule. I'm sure you can drown a plant with nutrients and it will be fine. Like different strains can handle different levels of fertilizer. Pale green plants that just got moved outside in direct sunlight can handle way more nitrogen than a plant in the shade or inside on a window with a few hours of direct light a day. Think of sunlight bleaching the leaves, and at night the nitrogen replenish it.
I have heard using phosphorus outdoors can leach into groundwater and cause algae blooms. Is there anything you can think of that would prevent it from “falling” through the soil layers?
That's a great explanation, but can you explain it for those who use soil as well? I was also thinking about how you said the leaves are a storage for bud development, what about losing up on phosphorus in the veg mode and cut back on it in flower that way it can go into senescence easier?
You’ll notice that the older cultivars that have been around for 15-20 years all require a much higher phosphorus and a balanced meal requires much higher phosphorus or you’ll always end up with red stems due to lack of phosphorus
Thanks doc! This explains some of the dying leaves on the bottom of my plant. I've heard of the leaves under the light dying off slowly but now it makes sense why. I need to add more 2-8-4 bloom to my soil. Running a cultivar for the first time and learning it's a longer flowering sativa
Leaves die off from lack of sunlight. I had a node grow several branches after topping. The smaller ones that formed didn't grow and eventually died. For nutrients it's best to use every bioactive element, if it's essential to people then it should be good for plants. Aside from NPK and secondary and micronutrients, the ultra trace ones can boost growth.
No, you just take a sample of the water you want to test (after adding and mixing your nutrient), place the meter in it to get a reading! Measuring runoff is important as well.
@@chronic411just follow directions on fertilizer. Use a clear bottle like a juice container or pop bottle. The dyes added to fertilizer will be a good indicator, also its hard to over fertilize with high phosphorus, high nitrogen will really cook a plant but you can see that coming. Leaves so dark green they die.
I grow in hydro and I’m learning EVERYTHING is “weight with a grain of salt”. The ec is low and depending on strain you can feed at 1.6-1.8 (my current feed ec in 5gal buckets)
What I don't get is why increase the P if it doesn't affect yield or quality and is not strictly required? Why not just use less P and save the planet. Also Nirit Bernstein is awesome 👍
Thanks for the video, Bruce. It's nice to finally have some kind of number to shoot for. But I have a few questions. And I hope you or somebody that works with you can give us a little more insight on this 30 ppm. I mean most of us know that when we introduce our cannabis plants to 12/12 lighting ( Flowering). We should give a boost of P. I use powdered nutes and I mix all my nutes myself. I don't use any premixed bottled nutes. And what I have always did was the first 4 weeks of 12/12 . I would just add a extra 1/8 of a teaspoon to my solution. I can't remember off the top of my head,what that brought the ppms to. But what I always thought was this helped increase bud sights. Anyway my first question is. What ppms of P should we be running in veg. And next is when should we increase the amount of P. And should we increase it all at once to 30 ppms. Also from what I understand is that P gets locked out very easily. So if we are increasing the amount of P. Should we be adding or increasing something else. So the P doesn't get locked out. For example, when I give my little boost of P. I give a little kick of aminos to go along with it. Now my next questions are going to come from this example. Like I said I only gave a boost of P for the first 4 weeks of 12/12. Then I would cut that out. Then I would give a little boost of K from week 5 till harvest. So now should I still run the 30 ppms of P all the way to harvest ? Because you said that the flower will have 1 percent of P in it. And that just seems like a lot. And what kind of effect is that 1 percent going to have on the quality of the flower ? Or is that the norm ? I have a few more questions. But I'm going to stop here. I'm sorry that I went on and on. I just find this very interesting. I just want to thank you and your crew for all the hard work that you all do. And to thank you very much for passing all your knowledge on to us. Speaking for myself. I truly don't think you understand how much you have helped me to become a better grower of cannabis. Well for that matter, a better grower of everything. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Again thanks. And take care. ASS OG AeroSystemsSea OfGreen.
Cannabis leaves survey range for phosphorus is 2.4-4.9 mg/g. During vegetative phase, plans accumulate P in their root to prevent P toxicity in the leaves. This means 9.6 mg/L phosphorus is adequate for optimal growth in this phase when water use efficiency is 4.0 g/L. During reproductive phase, plants can accumulate 10 mg/g or more of phosphorus in the buds. So it is advise to double or even triple that 9.6 mg/L to support phosphorus demand by plant in this phase. I currently feed 11.6 during vegetative and 29.0 during reproductive phase till a week before harvest. Cannabis yield is unaffected by potassium in the range of 75-175 mg/L but canabinoids decreases as potassium increases. I currently apply 95 mg/L potassium in the entry grow; no boost in any elements except for phosphorus. These numbers are about optimal yield not quality. Quality decreases as N, P and K increase; the dilution effect by more growth and yield.
yes and athena recommends an ec of 2.5 lol thats 1250 ppm daily plus a chelate with their cleanse hmmmm, i feed at 500 ppm and change npk ratios every 2 weeks as the plant changes. no need for cleanse if you know what you are doing.
Athena Cleanse increases the Oxidation-Reduction Potential of water. ORP indicated the water's ability to clean itself, without the need for toxic substances like common sanitation products. Cleanse is a stabilized solution of Hypochlorous acid, a mild acid derived from sodium chloride and a proprietary electrochemical treatment process. The result is a unique, plant-safe chemical with powerful oxidative properties to keep your root zone clean and free of unwanted organisms, mineral scale and biofilm buildup. These special properties are key to improving both mineral and oxygen availability in the growing media.
🤦♂️🙄 how did they measure the potency of the oldest cannabis ever found? By its calcium phosphate levels, which are required for trichome production…. Why is he not mentioning that🤔
Phosphorus does not end up in our waterways causing utriforcation and alge blooms. Its nitrogen, that you can not mistake if you understand the nitrogen and Phosphorus cycles by bacteria. Big laugh😅
From what I've experienceed on growing forums I can easily imagine people are giving hundreds of ppms of P. Then complain about taste. How cool is bro science. haha
Then why Athena do you recommend ridiculous amounts of elemental Phosphorus and Potassium in your feed charts, if this what your study show? Your blended feed chart will 150% burn a first time growers crop I know
All nutrients lines I have used seem to have a chart recommending feeding enough nutrients to burn down the entire grow bruh 🤣💯👊🏻💨 Still have not received an accurate answer but why does the so called Master Growers Recipes and Charts have up to 3X or more than I would ever feed my plants…even going way less I still can get tip burn. Sell more products or show that “BroScience” runs their marketing department? Bugbee’s info is accurate but obviously a contradiction to making money for Athena 🤣💚🌱💜💯👊🏻💨💨💨🦍
If you’ve kept up with Bruce and Athena even a little bit you’d know they have announced multiple times they have Bruce In house to refine their product line based on their new discoveries and research. Just because they find copper useful today doesn’t mean they are going to source, order, print, label, bottle, market, then enter it into their line up by tomorrow. It’s a process like any business trying to improve. Please use some common sense.
@@shaunseepersad4759 love cute little cronies who can’t take anyone saying anything that is a FACT about their hero and get their sweet little feeling all involved…you sure are a sweet checks for Bugbee 🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💨💨💨🦍 And if you actually look up what the definition of common sense actually means…you sound like a simpleton fool bruh 😎
Athena must be getting hard up to be paying DR Bugbee to redo old videos with an athena logo lol, botom line Athena dose not have near enough phosphorus , leading to poor roots, and underdevoloped flowers , used it several times in severay systems with same result , it also has way to much K and N and not enough calmag , regardless of what athena says it is one of the most expencive at twice the price per gallon as flora flex , cyco , H&G etc.
Soon I publish my study where I will reveal that these high levels cause micro seeds. But to get access I charge ~$2 bazillion. So you either pay for access or simply run lower levels. For free. And get a better product. And save money on plant "food".
I am a but a sponge when I get a chance to hear anything from Dr Bruce Bugbee dudes a saint.
The amount of knowledge he has is immense and truly inspiring
Facts!
thank you, i’m a beginner in germany and i like your format. it’s just straight information without obnoxious content. i noticed some issues with the background music. dial it back about 50 %. to make sure listen in production with a monitor. if you need help, i’m a audio guy and love your work.
there was background music?
@@Maumau369yea and it’s way too loud
@@nowayicommented1314 his words are so interesting that i cant hear anything else once. im sorry if you get distracted by some bgm tho
what a gift to us all Dr B. is
Interesting, that must be why my setup is so successful. Growing in 10 gallon fabric pots with 50/50 peat/soil mix, but I water from my bioactive turtle tank. The waste and bacteria are a incredible source for beneficial bacteria and nutrients including phosphorus.
Do you get any kind of fishy taste I know seems like a weird question but just wondering
@@MrMiniRJ Not at all
Always love to listen to what Bruce says
Thanks Bruce! ❤
Represent for Minnesota.
Thanks for sharing Bruce. Appreciate it!
I really don't understand the calculations.. Bruce mentions they feed cannabis at 2.5EC throughout it's entire cycle. That's about 1250ppm.i believe.. if we only need 30ppm of Phosphorus what the heck is the other 1220ppm?
Every time you add anything to the water , i.e. nutrients, the ppm changes, typically going up.
you are correct the math dose not work out , he dose not give his measurements of liquid , he could be measuring at molecular levels or drops of water , def not gal lol
@@jukeboxgaming1343you are incorrect. The measurements of a liquid or powder wouldn't mean anything if you don't use the same since they won't have the same concentration. However when you mix your element P (potassium) in a form of liquid or powder into your water whatever its concentration you just have to measure your mix and be at 30ppm, simple as that and don't forget your PH after aim for 5.8 in hydro have fun
@@jukeboxgaming1343it's more of a guide. Not a rule. I'm sure you can drown a plant with nutrients and it will be fine. Like different strains can handle different levels of fertilizer. Pale green plants that just got moved outside in direct sunlight can handle way more nitrogen than a plant in the shade or inside on a window with a few hours of direct light a day. Think of sunlight bleaching the leaves, and at night the nitrogen replenish it.
Well if phosphorus is a problem in some parts of nature can't we or shouldn't we grow cannibals to help remove phosphorus where needed.
We could import them from Haiti
@@81crispyit was a yes or no question how did you come up with that answer not being able to read or 😂
@@Internetpsycho321 read his comment carefully lol
Thank you for the info and Hello from Sandstone Mn
what were the THC levels that Nirit Bernstein used? And what were the THC levels you used?
I have heard using phosphorus outdoors can leach into groundwater and cause algae blooms. Is there anything you can think of that would prevent it from “falling” through the soil layers?
Great video. Could do with out the music. Keep em coming
yeah what's with the marvel music?
That's a great explanation, but can you explain it for those who use soil as well? I was also thinking about how you said the leaves are a storage for bud development, what about losing up on phosphorus in the veg mode and cut back on it in flower that way it can go into senescence easier?
You’ll notice that the older cultivars that have been around for 15-20 years all require a much higher phosphorus and a balanced meal requires much higher phosphorus or you’ll always end up with red stems due to lack of phosphorus
so called new ones do too
Or your leds are hitting the stalks and is the effect of what some say too much par but maybe just the progression of using leds and their spectrums
15ppm.. interesting. That makes sense though. It explains why switching to RO water and eliminating phosphoric acid with such a huge change..
Thanks doc! This explains some of the dying leaves on the bottom of my plant. I've heard of the leaves under the light dying off slowly but now it makes sense why. I need to add more 2-8-4 bloom to my soil. Running a cultivar for the first time and learning it's a longer flowering sativa
Leaves die off from lack of sunlight. I had a node grow several branches after topping. The smaller ones that formed didn't grow and eventually died.
For nutrients it's best to use every bioactive element, if it's essential to people then it should be good for plants. Aside from NPK and secondary and micronutrients, the ultra trace ones can boost growth.
30 ppm what is that in NPK number?
You need a ppm meter, its parts per million , you'd have to test water not soil
So, 30 ppm per gallon of water?
No, you just take a sample of the water you want to test (after adding and mixing your nutrient), place the meter in it to get a reading! Measuring runoff is important as well.
@@chronic411just follow directions on fertilizer. Use a clear bottle like a juice container or pop bottle. The dyes added to fertilizer will be a good indicator, also its hard to over fertilize with high phosphorus, high nitrogen will really cook a plant but you can see that coming. Leaves so dark green they die.
I grow in hydro and I’m learning EVERYTHING is “weight with a grain of salt”. The ec is low and depending on strain you can feed at 1.6-1.8 (my current feed ec in 5gal buckets)
What I don't get is why increase the P if it doesn't affect yield or quality and is not strictly required? Why not just use less P and save the planet.
Also Nirit Bernstein is awesome 👍
Music was nice , I was able to enjoy the music and understand you at the same time unlike the other stoners . Where the eye rolling button
my grow game on another level lately cuz this
Bruce- Sour Cherry Diesel by Atlas Seed Company. 63 day photoperiod would be a great test subject.
Nice, thank you a lot! I'm pretty shure...someday some cultivar will name a strain after Prof. Bruce Bugbee :)
Interesting
Wow I'm way overfeeding my plants..
Why does Athena use 60 to 150 ppm of phosporus then?
Bingo, was looking for this comment .
As a homegrower with a LED-Tent, i can´t imagine messuring 90/1.000.000
would i have to fill a bathtub, and then put one drop phosphor in it?
Hi Thanks for this lecture. What do you mean by a low THC cultivar?
Mn represent!!
Change the light and temp at the end of flower to what??
Think about the seasonal change so during ending flower cooler temps with slightly less light will help the plant think winter is coming
Could over use of Phosphorus in flower lead to more herm's?
Thanks for the video, Bruce.
It's nice to finally have some kind of number to shoot for.
But I have a few questions.
And I hope you or somebody that works with you can give us a little more insight on this 30 ppm.
I mean most of us know that when we introduce our cannabis plants to 12/12 lighting
( Flowering). We should give a boost of P.
I use powdered nutes and I mix all my nutes myself. I don't use any premixed bottled nutes.
And what I have always did was the first 4 weeks of 12/12 . I would just add a extra
1/8 of a teaspoon to my solution.
I can't remember off the top of my head,what that brought the ppms to. But what I always thought was this helped increase bud sights.
Anyway my first question is.
What ppms of P should we be running in veg.
And next is when should we increase the amount of P. And should we increase it all at once to 30 ppms.
Also from what I understand is that P gets locked out very easily.
So if we are increasing the amount of P.
Should we be adding or increasing something else. So the P doesn't get locked out.
For example, when I give my little boost of P. I give a little kick of aminos to go along with it.
Now my next questions are going to come from this example.
Like I said I only gave a boost of P for the first 4 weeks of 12/12.
Then I would cut that out.
Then I would give a little boost of K from week 5 till harvest.
So now should I still run the 30 ppms of P all the way to harvest ?
Because you said that the flower will have 1 percent of P in it.
And that just seems like a lot.
And what kind of effect is that 1 percent going to have on the quality of the flower ?
Or is that the norm ?
I have a few more questions. But I'm going to stop here.
I'm sorry that I went on and on.
I just find this very interesting.
I just want to thank you and your crew for all the hard work that you all do.
And to thank you very much for passing all your knowledge on to us.
Speaking for myself.
I truly don't think you understand how much you have helped me to become a better grower of cannabis.
Well for that matter, a better grower of everything.
And I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Again thanks.
And take care.
ASS OG
AeroSystemsSea OfGreen.
Cannabis leaves survey range for phosphorus is 2.4-4.9 mg/g. During vegetative phase, plans accumulate P in their root to prevent P toxicity in the leaves. This means 9.6 mg/L phosphorus is adequate for optimal growth in this phase when water use efficiency is 4.0 g/L. During reproductive phase, plants can accumulate 10 mg/g or more of phosphorus in the buds. So it is advise to double or even triple that 9.6 mg/L to support phosphorus demand by plant in this phase. I currently feed 11.6 during vegetative and 29.0 during reproductive phase till a week before harvest. Cannabis yield is unaffected by potassium in the range of 75-175 mg/L but canabinoids decreases as potassium increases. I currently apply 95 mg/L potassium in the entry grow; no boost in any elements except for phosphorus. These numbers are about optimal yield not quality. Quality decreases as N, P and K increase; the dilution effect by more growth and yield.
why does athena contain more than 100ppm then?
yes and athena recommends an ec of 2.5 lol thats 1250 ppm daily plus a chelate with their cleanse hmmmm, i feed at 500 ppm and change npk ratios every 2 weeks as the plant changes. no need for cleanse if you know what you are doing.
Athena Cleanse increases the Oxidation-Reduction Potential of water. ORP indicated the water's ability to clean itself, without the need for toxic substances like common sanitation products. Cleanse is a stabilized solution of Hypochlorous acid, a mild acid derived from sodium chloride and a proprietary electrochemical treatment process. The result is a unique, plant-safe chemical with powerful oxidative properties to keep your root zone clean and free of unwanted organisms, mineral scale and biofilm buildup. These special properties are key to improving both mineral and oxygen availability in the growing media.
🤦♂️🙄 how did they measure the potency of the oldest cannabis ever found? By its calcium phosphate levels, which are required for trichome production…. Why is he not mentioning that🤔
Phosphorus does not end up in our waterways causing utriforcation and alge blooms. Its nitrogen, that you can not mistake if you understand the nitrogen and Phosphorus cycles by bacteria. Big laugh😅
I'm from Scotland, UK... I propose a knighthood for this genius!
Would have been perfect without the music.
From what I've experienceed on growing forums I can easily imagine people are giving hundreds of ppms of P. Then complain about taste. How cool is bro science. haha
Then why Athena do you recommend ridiculous amounts of elemental Phosphorus and Potassium in your feed charts, if this what your study show? Your blended feed chart will 150% burn a first time growers crop I know
All nutrients lines I have used seem to have a chart recommending feeding enough nutrients to burn down the entire grow bruh 🤣💯👊🏻💨
Still have not received an accurate answer but why does the so called Master Growers Recipes and Charts have up to 3X or more than I would ever feed my plants…even going way less I still can get tip burn.
Sell more products or show that “BroScience” runs their marketing department?
Bugbee’s info is accurate but obviously a contradiction to making money for Athena 🤣💚🌱💜💯👊🏻💨💨💨🦍
If you’ve kept up with Bruce and Athena even a little bit you’d know they have announced multiple times they have Bruce In house to refine their product line based on their new discoveries and research.
Just because they find copper useful today doesn’t mean they are going to source, order, print, label, bottle, market, then enter it into their line up by tomorrow. It’s a process like any business trying to improve. Please use some common sense.
@@shaunseepersad4759 love cute little cronies who can’t take anyone saying anything that is a FACT about their hero and get their sweet little feeling all involved…you sure are a sweet checks for Bugbee 🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💨💨💨🦍
And if you actually look up what the definition of common sense actually means…you sound like a simpleton fool bruh 😎
@@shaunseepersad4759 Your ignorance know no bounds, read a book
Just to make more money by you purchasing more
hatte vom tital hwr angenommen, dass du uns 6 sorten nennst😆
Athena must be getting hard up to be paying DR Bugbee to redo old videos with an athena logo lol, botom line Athena dose not have near enough phosphorus , leading to poor roots, and underdevoloped flowers , used it several times in severay systems with same result , it also has way to much K and N and not enough calmag , regardless of what athena says it is one of the most expencive at twice the price per gallon as flora flex , cyco , H&G etc.
Soon I publish my study where I will reveal that these high levels cause micro seeds. But to get access I charge ~$2 bazillion. So you either pay for access or simply run lower levels. For free. And get a better product. And save money on plant "food".
WTF 🤡.
@@assog5737 humor...
This is a prime example of book smart vs street smart. Dude can make PowerPoints, but could not grow anything worth smoking to save his old ass. 😂