What if Kira got the Wing Zero Gundam or the Epyon Gundam after the Strike Gundam was destroyed. Would he be able to manage the Zero System or go insane?
Sure I guess I will try out one of these sponsor games for once. The gameplay seemed different and interesting enough compared to the summoners war/raid shadow legend/whatever reskins Lmao my strongest character is a loli and her personal mech is a freaking ball shooting homing missiles
how about a funny scenario that ZAFT stole the 'wrong' 5 Gundams as in they instead stolen the 5 Astray Frames and being unaware of the G-Project Gundams until the destruction of Heliopolis, probably found by Junk Guild + one unit given to Serpent Tail and one being in the hands of the Sahaku's.
In that scenario they probably would’ve screwed themselves over as they then would’ve become enemies with Orb because they stole orbs G weapons and Orb either would’ve declared themselves neutral and the series would’ve gone on as it did in the anime, or they maybe would’ve sided with the earth alliance since zaft stole their mobile suits.
@@blackcomet2nd950 No one cares about ORB at the early phases of the war. ORB might be push under the bus by earth alliance to coverup the G project and force them to join Earth Alliance. And with that, ZAFT might take action on sinking ORB earlier in which ORB have no strong defense over.
@@deadronin47 I’m not saying the the astray units were weak I’m just saying that if zaft had stolen those from orb then they undoubtedly would’ve become enemies with orb.
@@deadronin47 they're still vastly inferior to the G-Weapons. I'm 90% sure why the Astrays did so good in the manga is because the dudes piloting them are all one in a million super geniuses that modified them to hell and back pushing them to their extremes. The ZAFT would've lost extremely early without the technology from the G-weapon and they'd also piss off Orb who would have no reason to stay.
Yeah, it sounds like if Kira had gotten the Duel Gundam, the story would have played out a lot more like Amuro's story. Because as "underpowered" as the duel was compared to the rest of it's kids (being the alpha prototype for G weapons) it's also the most well rounded, with the most potential for personalization and modification. Plus it's Gae Bulg Bazooka was nuts. It definitely would have changed the least of the conflict out of all the Gundams though, so probably the easiest AU for our fanfiction writing friends.
This just makes me want a new "Gihren's Greed"-esque Gundam war/strategy game, released in North America as well; this time involving tons of possible alternate scenarios for the *Cosmic Era timeline* depending on how you play. 1. What if the original intended crew for the Archangel survived? 2. What if the Creuset team managed to steal *all* of the G-weapons? 3. What if the Creuset team *_failed_* to steal any of the G-weapons? 4. What if the Astray Frames got more directly involved in the war [supporting the Archangel]? 5. What if the fact [that a Coordinator is piloting the Strike] was leaked to the PLANTs? 6. What if the Creuset team failed to get through Artemis' defenses? 7. What if George Allster was rescued? 8. What if the Archangel stayed with the 8th Fleet? 9. What if the CGUE completely replaced the GINN [early on] as ZAFT's mainstay mass-production MS? 10. What if Andrew Waltfeld & Aisha survived unscathed? 11. What if Kira really was killed at the Marshall Islands? 12. What if Lacus was assassinated? 13. What if the "Cyclops" bomb (at JOSH-A base in Alaska) either didn't detonate or was stopped? 14. What if Orb accepted ZAFT's aid during the Earth Alliance's invasion? 15. What if mass produced MS based on the G-Project were developed early on? And *_so_* many more....
I am straight up surprised that a Gihren's Greed-style game for the CE era was never a thing. Also, scenario 4 is basically Super Robot Wars W's post timeskip arc!
@@kuraux56s59 Right now, I'll add just three more for good measure... 16. What if Orb surrendered to the Earth Alliance? 17. What if the fact that [Creuset himself is the clone of a Natural] was leaked earlier on? 18. What if Nicol _didn't_ play the piano? :3 *(EDIT) BONUS ADDENDUM:* What if Flay trained to pilot mobile suits?
I think Kira getting the Duel Gundam would go almost exactly the same, as the Duel out of four would probably be the easiest to retrofit to be able to use the Stricker packs.
If they didn't know about the Striker Packs or just didn't get them then he'd be up against a suit with either just daggers, or a variation of the Assault Shroud or weapons taken from a Ginn. All would be interesting to see
I gotta agree with this comment as well, the shoulders of the Duel Gundam are almost exactly the same to the point where the striker packs of both the Sword and the Launcher’s shoulder units can be used and for the main weapon it would be attached on the back replacing one of the beam saber storages at the back thrusters of the Duel. As for the Aile Striker pack then I would think of replacing the Duel’s current backpack with a different one to be more agile, of course the beam sabers would be kept on the Duel if there was any necessary use for it.
Kira Yamato: i don't want to kill but I'll disarm my opponents and then let them die by their enemies without anyway to defend themselves because at least they're ain't killed by my hands
Kira : I dont want to fight !!!!! While releasing all his funnel and docking his Nuclear Powered Gundam to nuclear powered METEOR pack system and multiple Locking All his enemy's then beam Spam the shit out of them
@@blackcomet2nd950 they actually did in the astray and msv stories. They decided to turn the spare impulse parts into destiny impulse (around 5 unit was made)
One possibility that I'm surprised you didn't mention concerning all four of these alternate scenarios: Considering that the Archangel crew could still have the Striker Packs in these scenarios, what's the stop Kira and the Archangel's mechanics from effectively kitbashing various components of the Striker Packs onto the Gundam that they have? Like the Buster on its own might be a slowpoke, but what about with a jury-rigged Aile Pack? The Duel is basically a Pack-less Strike, so why wouldn't the crew be able to figure out a way to graft a few parts of the Packs onto it? And frankly, the Blitz potentially carrying an Agni rifle is kind of the SCARIEST thing in CE at that point.
I love the idea of Kira getting either Aegis or Blitz. Imagine Kira improving upon Mirage Colloid to the point where it no longer has set backs early on is a scary thing indeed. An Aegis piloted by Kira would probably end up with either very inhuman movement patterns in both transformation modes or we'll get an early glimpse at the Eclipse Gundam, transformable but have striker packs bolted on or something.
Kira would turn the Aegis into a guided kinetic penetrator missile. The beam sabers up front coupled with phase shift armor, all enemy fleet would be disabled.
Blitz definitely is better on the short term.... But seeing as Zaft will get to keep the monsters that are Freedom and Justice on top of Providence witouth Athurun, Yzack or Dearka deserting. All the while the genocidal Earth Alliance becomes stronger than ever with stealth nukes, at the same time as the only truly good guys of Orb gets nothing..... The aftermath of the war may be a lot worse off than in the original.
I honestly do not agree on these all that much. The Duel could have a bit better in the end as well, along with the Buster if you use it correctly, but that is my opinion.
ORB still has the Astray series. But it's gonna take longer to get to the M1 Astray, and even more with mastering/fixing the OS without Kira's combat data. Maybe the Sahaku twins will be more politically active as a result of ORB being weaker.
@@SoulstrikerV Actually Orb already has the M1 in limited production as of early January, Cosmic Era 71. Finding these Astrays at Morgenroete is how Cagalli was able to find out about the G-Project in the first place. Oh. They are far from being perfected as of the Collapse of Heliopolis but they are actually in some form of production which is far better then the Earth Alliance who haven't even started production of their own mass produced machine yet. They may have a couple of early production Long Daggers around, but as of yet introduced any form of true mass production type. As you mentioned they still need to get some sort of Natural, or Universal, Operating System together to actually make use of them. Yes. I do see the Sahaku family being the ones who will may end up making that a reality.
Actually, I'd imagine Kira would develop further as a traditional Ace Pilot(and as an overall all- rounder too) if he started out with the Buster, since as it is focused around mid-long range, he would have to learn to be creative with his usage of long range as well as shoot things much earlier than he would initially do with the Strike. And let's not forget how more reliant he would be on SEED Mode as the initial struggles he would have at the beginning might allow him to further improve his already Improbable Aiming Skills as the show progresses to the point where he can(and will) use his long range weapons at close targets with frightening impact(never mind the fact he can just cover the screen with the occasional shotgun spray). His only real problems would be dealing with High Mobility units at a safe enough distance until he can learn how to predict their movements, of course. It isn't a generalist suit like the Strike, but it is specialized enough for him to abuse any advantages he has to it's fullest potential. Never mind the possibility of still having access to the Striker Packs if they were not stolen, so he can always just jury rig those weapons to lesser effectiveness if he ever needed them.
Imagine Kiara being a traditional ace and yet he will still have his plot armor to offset any growing pains associated with that. Because he is their version of Jesus as far as the writers are concerned.
Think Kira would use the Buster Gundam about as effectively as the Launcher Strike, but beam spammage comparable to the Freedom.... Which is to say, he'd potentially be more of a monster than when he just had the Strike Gundam. The Zaft team would be unableto capture him early on, cause the buster Gundam out guns all of them + the fact Kira adapts to his suit faster than them. And then his skills would develop to capitalize on the Buster gundams advantages to a scary degree, especially when considering that Kira didnt have a no kill code early on.
If the Blitz scenario ends that way, then Rau probably wins and humanity loses, since his goal never would have changed. PLANT/ZAFT gets nuked, the Providence, Freedom and Justice with METEORs are likely able to protect GENESIS long enough to fire at Earth.
And to the survivors who comes out of the fallout post-Rau, we basically have a Cosmo-Era Gundam X. That aside, the Blitz Gundam-what-if is legitimately fun to think about.
We *really* need official "What If" shows for Gundam. What if Amuro got Alex? What if Kamile joined the Titans? What if Kira got a different starting Gundam? What if Athrun stole Legend Gundam? So many neat possibilities.
I feel like they would just convert the Duel into using Striker packs since the Archangel was the hanger for all the packs. Duel has used a modded IWSP in the Manga.
htat's how i see as well. also, the kira in the aegis is the most likely scenario for him to end up dead, as he still would overuse the cannon, run out of energy, but there wouldnt be a aegis to grab him away from the duel in time.
@@marcosdheleno unlikely since he was locked in combat with the Duel at the time. In this case, he'd be fighting against either the laughably useless vanilla Strike Gundam, Blitz, or Buster. The Aegis faaaar outstrips those other suits in performance so I doubt it will take much to disarm or defeat any of them.
@@akaneriyun4774 so did the strike after kira got used to pilot it. thing is, he was still a novice, who did waste alot of energy. it doesnt matter how more capable a suit is, once it runs out of power its basically a floating rock. the scylla uses alot of energy, if they used the same strategy, there's a big possibility that he would run out the same way he did, which is my point.
@@marcosdheleno lol no. Firstly, the base Strike will only hold back whoever the unfortunate pilot will be against the Aegis. Doesn't matter if Kira wastes too much power when one of the suits he's up against literally cannot fly in space very well. After taking out the Strike, he'll be left fighting against just the Blitz and the Buster: both of which are terrible for one-on-one duels. And don't forget that he still has the Archangel and the Moebius Zero backing him up. It's just a matter of the output difference being far to great.
@@akaneriyun4774 did you not watch the episode? its not about how powerfull the aegis is, its how unprepared kira was in that fight. they could give him the freedom and he still would mess that up.
Honestly, I kind of want to see the "Kira gets the Aigis Gundam?" scenario get expanded on like "what if Amuro got the Alex Gundam?" Because it'd be fun to see the full ramifications of this change, would this mean that Kira would then be piloting the Judtice while Athrun gets the Freedom? Also it'd be fun to see the Blitz, and Duel what ifs as well. Shame about the Buster though could there be a plot armor fueled scenario where you can think of a way the buster could work?
Well in all of these scenarios keep in mind that with the exception of the duel and the buster, Kira and the archangel would get to Alaska properly instead of landing in the desert.
@@blackcomet2nd950 I know, but Kakarot has a fun way of thinking up the details of how things go in the short and long term, I just want to have a play by play of the story envisioned by him.
Imagine Kira fully leaning into his dickish "if I were serious you'd have no chance against me" side and doing that to not just Sai but also to enemies on the battlefield. That would've been hilarious and cool, albeit in a chuuni, Helsing kind of way.
I'd say the Blitz is my favorite. Use the Mirage Colloid even before meeting the 8th Fleet, and Kira saves himself a whole host of Flay-inducing headaches down the line since her dad would still be alive. Hell, Flay may never have used Lacus as a human shield and bargaining chip if he defeats the le Creuset team fast enough. Not sure what happens to Lacus in this situation. Even with Admiral Halberton's support and backing, Kira is getting a hostile reception from most of the Alliance because he is a Coordinator, and the Blue Cosmos-controlled faction would look for any way to get rid of him and the Archangel. But make it look realistic by setting it during a battle, and fucking them over in some way that can be said to be out of their control.
you guys are missing a more important part, the archangel would be stuck inside the umbrella. remember zaft used the blitz to infiltrate it. without it, they would just give up and go home. for the archangel however, i can see things going very dark for kira, as he would be inside a blue cosmo controled base.
@@marcosdheleno Two things. First, Artemis wasn't BC-controlled, it was Eurasian-controlled. And I don't think Admiral Garcia was BC, he was just a slimy opportunist who used the 'racial divide' to guilt-trip coordinators into working for him. They'd be stuck in Artemis, yes, but odds are they'd end up becoming Eurasian. Second, the Archangel could have suffered engine troubles for whatever reason, thus meaning the Archangel skips Artemis altogether and drifts into the Debris Belt.
@@marcosdheleno The Atlantic Federation was the one that was primarily BC. They were the ones basically 'in charge' of the Earth Alliance, too. It was just lucky that the Archangel didn't have too many survivors aboard who fully subscribed to that mindset. And yes, Garcia was shifty as hell, and a typical REMF. From what I gathered from his speech to Kira, he wasn't racist himself, but he played on the racial divide as, well, emotional blackmail.
@@marcosdheleno Late reply, but Kira would just end up meeting his 'brother' there because HE was supposed to pilot the Hyperion so... that would be hilarious with Blitz as attacker and Hyperion as defender, both using mirage colloid system.
You have forgotten the fact that ZAFT DID build a Striker Pack compatible MS of their own. The ZGMF X-12A Testament. In Gundam Seed Destiny Astray, it was captured by the Earth Alliance before ZAFT managed to design their own Striker Pack for it. In the story, it was created to 'Research' the EA's Striker Pack technology. Presumably, the X-12A Testament was designed to use captured EA Striker Packs. The Junk Guild made the ZGMF X-12 Astray Out Frame out of a spare ZGMF X-12A Testament frame that Lowe Gule found in Genesis Alpha. There were 2 Genesis cannons made. The ZGMF X-56S Impulse was a combination of the ZGMF X-101 Zaku Splandor's Silhouette Flyer technology and is based on the ZGMF X-12A Testament's Striker Pack interchangeable armaments design philosophy.
I agree since both Strike & Duel belong to GAT-X100 series.. Both MS are created to adapt in diff battle situations. There might be a need to modify them but it'll only be minimal
I would add the Duel was not yet compatible at the time of theft and the modification was to come later. The fact that Zaft was able to make the Armor shroud on a ship would suggest that the crew of the archangel would be able to make the adjustments needed to make the Duel compatible with the already on hand Striker packs.
I'd still like to hear about a interesting timeline where Zaft stole every Gundam, forcing the "good guys" to create a brand new suit, designed to fight all of them. Creating a massive power struggle and war. Idk lol
We can assume that the Archangel had all the different kits for the Strike so let's say Athrun got the Strike instead. Unless he finds other pieces, the Strike in ZAFT's possession will be very ineffective.
Athrun takes the bullet and dies. Kira gets the Aegis and the pilot that died in the original gets the Strike. For a 'twist of fate' scenario, it's the only thing that makes sense, especially since the other mobile suits were outside of the complex. Kira, not going against Athrun, doesn't have his dilemma and turns cold hearted. He becomes a full on soldier. Rather than losing fights against their pursuers, he kills off one or more of the other Gundams. The Archangel returns to the Earth faction as heroes, Kira is now most of the way to become an ace pilot. Orb sees where it's going and supports ZAFT behind the scenes while maintaining that they are neutral. Eventually they evacuate to space. Kira, despite his cold demeanor does not (and never would) support the nukes and would either defect before the launch happens or he'd fight from the inside.
More like Kira will refuse to fight for the Archangel whatever the cost since Ramius killed his friend. Remember how hesitant he was to fight in the first place.
@@Zepxyranthes Kira won't realised it was Athrun that get shot plus he didn't even know Athrun is a zaft soldier. Kira probably will know Athrun death ONLY IF Rusty mention his name during fights. Edited : Also it was not Ramius that killed his friend, the other workers did it.
if you got another QandA Video...here is my question, which are the most Corrupt Earth Military in Gundam Universe? a.) Earth Federation from Universal Century (Original Series) b.) Earth Alliance from Cosmic Era (SEED series) c.) Gjallahorn from Post Disaster (IBO series)
What if the heist failed completely, resulting in Athrun and friends getting killed/captured, the Alliance getting all 5 gundams, and Kira never joining the Archangel?
what about a thought like, what would have happened if ZAFT wouldn't have conveniently learned about ORBs newly developed mobile suits, but instead ORB got a golden egg, in form of the professor Kira worked with telling the fellas working on the GAT's project "hey you guys, I think I got a Coordinator in my seminar, that's seriously ingenious with making OS for Robots and such", so ZAFT wouldn't only have their whole planed GUNDAM batalion, but also a perfektly customized operating system for them?
Depending on how useful the Gundam is, Kira would've lessen his creativity on battle because the Strike was too weak but a lot more versatile compared the other Gundams, evident on how Kira wasn't that creative on the Freedom unless he's fighting an enemy that he can't defeat easily. Blitz is the top contender on lessening his creativity despite the Blitz having loads of weapons on its arsenal, because the Blitz would easily have the right weapon for Kira on almost every situation. Aegis would be close second because it's got every simple thing a Gundam needs and Kira would only need to worry about energy consumption, plus with the Scylla he would've destroyed more ships before the Archangel would land on Earth. Buster is third but very far from the second, but Kira would have to be very creative if he ever goes melee with someone, he'd be like Lockon and his Dymanes except there's not beam sabers. How Kirs would get creative with the Buster in melee I don't have any idea yet. Duel would be very much the same except for the times when Kira had to use the armor schneider. For the Strike Packs they would've just forced Kira retrofit the Duel to be compatible with the Striker Packs, in fact the same could be said with the Buster as well.
@@blackcomet2nd950 and even if the buster isn't compatible with the pack, they could still preserve the beam sabers before destroying it and equip the buster with them
Good point. This thought makes me want to see Kira Yamato tuning his Buster's movement for close combat and eventually inventing Mobile Suit Gun-kata. That would be hilariously cool.
Kira getting creative with the Buster Gundam would be hilarious. If he gets into melee, he just bonks Team Athrun over the head with the cannons like they were clubs or baseball bats.
Kind of weird to think that in your Blitz timeline Kira may have ended up fighting along side the boosted men. I also wonder if the Alliance would of built a better mobile suit for Kira at some point. Maybe a something like a cross between the Blitz and Forbidden since both machines had the same frame.
I was looking for this. Kira could have been given a Ground type Gundam and made EZ8 look like a scrub. Could have been given a Ball and had more kills then Amuro. Could have beat down Epyon with a Leo.
I think it's quite possible that whatever Suit Kira had would be progressively upgraded with parts from the Striker Packs to mitigate its weaknesses. Eg. the Buster would be upgraded with the Sword Striker and some extra boosters from the Aile Striker to increase its CQB potential. Duel would definitely get an Assault Shroud-like or Perfect Strike-like upgrade, except it wouldn't be modular. Blitz is already a powerful unit so it would probably get the power plant and boosters from the Aile Striker to increase its mobility and extend the Mirage Colloid's uptime and possibly the Schwert Gewehr built into the Trikeros shield system (kind of like Exia, huh?) and a shortened, shoulder-mounted Agni to supplement the beam rifle for ranged attacks thanks to the increased power output. Aegis would probably become something close to the Justice Gundam with its upgrades thanks to the Aile Striker except with a much deadlier Mobile Armor mode thanks to the increase in power and mobility.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Ninja Kira with the Blitz Gundam. It would feed into his smug, dickish "don't care, had sex" side and that would've made the show much more interesting than the Mary Sue Kira we ended up getting.
And with Halberton still alive, maybe the Archangel would get slightly more support before reaching the Earth. But will this also prevent the death of Flay's father?
What I love about this series of videos of yours is that it taps into the core of Gundam: it's a real robot series with most sci-fi-like features, where these what-if scenarios actually have decent bases to go on. Keep at it!
Here's a thought: Orb technicians try to evacuate the Astray Gundams, but during the fighting, they end up being abandoned next to the Alliance's equipment and so get hauled in by Archangel accidentally. Then they are discovered as Archangel is preparing for its silent run and one is determined to be suitably far enough along in development for someone who is a Natural to pilot it as Kira and his friends help rewrite the Software, discovering that the Astrays' Software Code is THEIR work! Needless to say they are unhappy not only to have been lied to about their work, but also that they were programming for something totally different which makes everyone laugh as they finally get one of the Suits up and running for a brave volunteer to fly. Resulting in two Mobile Suits and a Mobile Armor for ZAFT to have to tangle with.
A scenario where ZAFT got all 5 Gundams, and Kira and the Archangel then had to recruit the Astrays and work with those machines would be cool. Especially if it meant an Archangel/Junk Guild alliance. Kira working with Lowe would have been bonkers, and Lowe's confidence, worldly knowledge, and good nature would have maybe allowed Kira to dodge that Flay Alster debacle.. It would also still allow the arc with the alliance with Orb and the development of the M1.
I already thought up of names for the Mass Produce variants of the Aegis Gundam. Because the Aegis Gundam is named after the fabled shield in Greek Mythology, might as well name them based on the types of shield. GAT-01 "Buckler" GAT-01D "Targe" GAT-01D1 "Dual Targe" GAT-01A1 "105 Buckler"
I was expecting that the perfect strike gundam would have: -Assault shroud equipments and armor -blitz gundam either the invisibility and/or the shield and claw -aegis gundam weapons bonus if they get the high speed boosters. Because that aegis is fast -buster gundam aim sensors and the transformable guns.
Question: What if Amuro Ray got the Strike Gundam, and the White Base was carrying the G-Weapons (minus Phase Shift Armor as we shall replace that with more sensible Lunar Titanium)? Question: Why didn't Neo Zeon use the amazing Zaku III, and what would happen if they adopted it as their newest Mainline Mobile Suit? Question: What if the Earth Federation of the Universal Century fought ZAFT instead of the Principality of Zeon? Question: Disregard how easily GN Drive powered Gundams curb-stomp them - how effective are the Mobile Suits (and Armors) of the 3 Power Blocs of the Gundam 00 / Anno Domini timeline, when compared to the Universal Century + Cosmic Era + After Colony eras. Or in other words and in short, how effective/powerful do you think the Pre GN-X mobile suits are really?
I want to try to answer you're question if that okay lol 1. Amuro would stomp everything zeon throw at him. Strike is a lot more powerful and versatile ms than the original rx-78-2 and with luna titanium instead of prototype ps armor it had, strike will have less energy drain and longer operational time. 2. I remember somwhere that char wanted to reform neo zeon in his own image that's why he throw away most of the old ms and created geara dogas. It weren'r until the sleeves era they started reusing old ms (this era of neo zeon has no budget and manpower as they used to) 3. I personally think that CE technology is alot more advanced than one year war technology, plus zaft has coordinator pilots who is known to be better than naturals, so maybe zaft won. 4. This is based purely on my opinion. One year war: I put ms of 3 factions above zakus, goufs and doms but below gelgoogs because 3 faction ms has little to no beam weaponry protection and has less versatility. After colony: I think leo being able to use multiple beam weaponry and having more option parts for multiple various combat situation would win. CE: CE would win they have more versatilty and better technology (if we don't include gn drives ms)
I remember a few years a huge fight with gundam fans over 'jesus yamato' and the destruction of the original freedom. Personally I was more miffed that Kira and Lacus were never held accountable for theft
Well in SEED it was a moot point cuz Patrick Zala killed her father and his supporters shortly afterwards making her a fugitive. Kira was an enemy pilot so w/e. After the war the it was never really brought up since the 3ship Alliance played a huge part in ending everything
@@xSkye629x The first part is true. But after the 2nd war, to my logic at least, regardless their contribution it was still theft. What's more she promoted to leader and kira made an admiral. Just made no sense to me shrug
@@jessmith7324 By the second war/Destiny that was water long gone under the bridge. Anyone who did care by that time either was dead, out of the political system, didn't care, or turned around after they saved the first war. War Kira an admiral at the end of Destiny? I know he got the White coat/uniform, but that has been used for anyone Captain and up
@@jessmith7324 well she is still ZAFT just a different political faction. I take it as the previous admin was no longer in power thus making the whole thing moot. plus for a "thief" they sure do take their time talking and not in a hurry whatsoever, which really give me the impression she got a lot of sway there like actually having all the authorization to be there.
IBO season 2 would be like MGS Rising Revengeance, Mika would becoming more independent of Orga and capable to think on his own and IBO season 2 would have Mika vs Rustal final showdown just like Raiden vs Armstrong.
What if Shinn's family were not killed (or at least one of them survives, either Mayu or one of his parents) due to collateral damage during the battle of Orb? Would he become less stubborn?
What if Mayu did survive but was left horribly scarred and injured with Shinn military carrier mainly being to earn the money to continue her treatment. I think that a change like that could have subtle but impactful effect on his character and the story as a whole.
@@carlofthekey7288 depends on Seed medical tech. We know it's advanced enough to remove scars..... But remember, Mayu's hand was blown off in the canon incident......
@@tylercharles4587 You could just write that the treatments are just to get her to the point where she could live with out life support and live with Shinn. Maybe even give her a prosthetic arm, we've already seen with Waltfeld that the Seed timeline has some pretty advance prosthetics.
Weirdly enough, when I first watched Gundam Seed and got to the scene where Athrun captured Kira, I was actually rooting for Athrun to bring him to Z.A.F.T. My thoughts back then were, you're a co-ordinator, he's your best friend, just go along with him because he's trying to save your life. Even now, I often wonder how it would have turned out if Kira joined ZAFT when Athrun first reached out to him.
The problem is that Athrun isn't his only friend As we have seen with Lacus, Archangel crew as a whole isn't against using hostages and there's a lot of them they can use to make Kira stay
No he would've been interrogated and treated like a prisoner of war and very poorly by Rau le cruset. Michelle would have pretty much ended that right there with the AA havng no real fighting power (sorry mwu)
What if they each got their own striped down Impulse Gundam that could only use one silhouette pack and didn't have the core system. You could give Dearka a Blast Impulse and Yzak could get either a Forse or Sword type.
There was really no need to continue using Buster and Duel because ZAFT's new grunt suit the Zaku outclassed them in terms of performance. Deakka would not have gotten a special suit regardless because he was a traitor and demoted. But Yzak on the other hand could use a Gundam for himsef (may Chaos or Abyss). Though Yzak alwas got Commander suit for himself
I always thought they should have gotten more clear "Ace Pilot" variants of the old Zeon suits. But like Luigi Bros said ZAFT likely wouldn't have given Dearka the benefit of the doubt. Like Yzak getting a CE Gelgoog and Dearka getting a Zaku Cannon (one that's distinguishable from the grunt) makes sense to me.
Honestly, I'm more interested in how the Archangel would try to retrofit the Striker Packs on the alternate Gundam they got and the custom Striker Packs ZAFT would develop for the Strike they got.
Id assume duel could be redone to use the packs its the most conventional uniform design like strikes. The assault shroud is basically a one off pack addon to it its kind of a meh suit which is how teh strike is without its packs.
I think the Duel would have been the easiest to put Striker Packs on, probably just a physical rearrangement of the hardpoints and the packs themselves. Buster would have been marginally harder but probably not terribly so. I think Blitz and Aegis would settle for maybe a weapons container that could be sent to them since Blitz wants to get in and out super quickly so taking time to change packs is time not spent ganking. And Aegis is a transforming mech so it's already a delicate design you don't want to mess with.
Love these ‘what if’ scenarios where one change in the plot causes ripple effects throughout the whole series… just a thought.. if Kira were to get any of the other Gunits, wouldnt he lose the gundam in the phase shift down episode (5) where the only way out was Strikes ability to change his packs?
Ok…. For starters, agreed with the fact that ZAFT got the Strike. However with the Duel and the Buster, they likely would’ve jury-rigged an upgrade for them to accept Striker Packs. And in the whole run of it, aside from the OPs, certain scenes and (if Kira got the Aegis) what Kira’s second unit would be, nothing major changes
This was an awesome video! I dig these what if scenarios! Super fun! What if Kira HAD joined Zaft when Athurn offered? Maybe he talks Kira into it by promising to protect his civilian friends after they surrender, to protect them from being made into soldiers or something.
Well if Kira die's Kira, Mu will not get Strike because, the Strike will be destroyed to the point it can't repaired similar to Aegis...Kira survived because the criteria that defines Strike Gundam was still intact,(mostly located in cockpit area although some of cockpit area are burned) which enough to fix it using the spare parts...
Maybe "what if Kira kills Yzak during Operation Spitbreak" instead of cutting the Duel by the knees? Yzak not present during the final battle in SEED would have made quite a big change in how things could have turned out and may affect SEED destiny in a bunch of ways.. 🧐
What if zaft will make their own striker pack. Remember they created the duel gundam’s customize armor. Also the reason why they cannot take down the arc angel even if they only have 1 gundam is because of the strike gundam’s versatility and adaptability. Except for the strike gundam each gundam has a weakness with the other gundam. So zaft will take advantage of this.
I think ZAFT getting the strike would probally lead to early versions on the Zaku warrior and potentially pushing the war to continue for a longer period, even with its base data only having limited amounts of information on the packs they would have possibly been able to upgrade the Ginny's with minimal effort compared to trying to roll out higher costing mass production units and allowing for a larger force.
Question: what's the deal in Gundam with sized up conventional weaponry. Meaning giant swords and proper axes(beam edged or heat hawks not included) While it's not the most common thing in the franchise (excluding things like Post Disaster) I know that a fair amount of suits like the Gouf in 08th Ms Team did use essentially a giant blade. I'm mostly curious about the in universe logic and maintenance for giant cutting weapons if that makes some sense.
The gouf customs heat blade isn't actually that giant of a blade compared to the swords in seed. The main reason for those swords is that they're anti ship swords for big ships. That said I honestly don't like them, except for the impulses Excalibur swords and the gouf ignited heat swords, cause they just seem too clunky and have parts on the blade edge that would just get the sword stuck, along with having a space in the middle of the sword for the beam to ignite instead of a whole sword with beams igniting from the edges. And another big problem if you use it to fight mobile suits with beam sabers, the beam sabers will destroy the swords as there's no repelling factor like beam sabers in universal century do with I fields.
The reason for giant swords in the Gundam Seed Timeline is the they're used to easily destroy ship, hence the name "anti-ship swords". It sizes would be enough to slice/destroy a ship's entire bridge with a single attack.
On the UC side of things, I think the rationale is to make optimal use of the suits' fusion reactor power in melee-range battles. Having a heat hawk on a zaku is going to deliver more power at short range than a scaled-up machine gun. Even after beam weapons become commonplace for mobile suits, they remain bound by e-cap capacity, which isn't that high. Handheld beam/heated blade weapons, by contrast, have practically unlimited energy.
If IBO is anything to go by, it's essentially like having a giant big stick to smack through your enemies, the idea is not to make them sharp and cut, it's to just make them hard and smash through the target with a wedge. The aim is usually to displace enough material to either expose the cockpit or crush the whole thing with the pilot inside
I actually loved the Blitz scenario much more cause in hindsight Blitz is one of the most versatile Gundam of the 5 and giving it to Kira will Maximize its potential and would've given a maybe better story than what we have now
I like the idea of Kira in the Aegis and Athrun in the Strike. In my mind, it goes similar to canon, with the following differences: The fight between Kira and Athrun on the way to Artemis changes because Athrun can't capture Kira's machine. After all, Kira's got the machine with the grappling claws. This means when he runs out of Phase Shift, it's much easier for Kira to get away, and cover fire from Mu and the Archangel keeps Yzak from following. Things still proceed mostly as canon from there until the battle to reach the 8th Fleet, which is when Kira first awakens the SEED. Here is where I see a big change from canon. In this berserker state, intent only on protecting the Archangel, Kira could just grapple onto the Blitz, jet away from the Archangel to clear it from the blast radius, and just do a point-blank Scylla blast. RIP Nicol, and Kira doesn't even know his connection to Athrun yet. Yzak tries just charging Kira down for payback, and second verse just like the first, RIP Yzak. Dearka, at this point, has no other option but to retreat - He's all by himself, is likely running low on power, and if he tries going after the Aegis then he's next to die. Discretion being the better part of valor, I think Dearka retreats. At the 8th Fleet, the Archangel still gets Skygraspers, but without the Strike, these take a more dedicated role as support craft. I'd say one gets the Aile Striker and one gets the Launcher Striker, and they just stay like that at all times on ready status. As the battle of Orbit gears up, the Strike gets an Assault Shroud add-on and an experimental beam rifle. With Yzak and Nicol both dead, Athrun and Dearka are probably howling for revenge, with Athrun no longer hesitating even if Kira was once his friend. The battle between Aegis and Strike in orbit is likely similar to Strike vs Duel in canon, though it's a coin flip as to whether Athrun will try to shoot down the shuttle with the civilians or not. If he does, though, I think Kira would go SEED and pull the Scylla trick a third time. Athrun might be able to survive by purging the Assault Shroud, but he'd probably take heavy damage, and I don't know if the Strike could survive re-entry in that condition. Regardless, Kira might be able to reach the Archangel more easily this time, or even if he can't they don't need to go as far off-course to find him. Rather than ending up in Africa, I'd say the Archangel lands in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. At which point they can get moving more quickly, and reach a friendly port on the Eastern Seaboard of North America. From there, they can fly to Alaska pretty much directly. Flay still comforts/seduces Kira, and without Cagalli around she's able to sink her claws into him more easily. I would say that while Alaska command still looks unfavorably on Kira piloting the Aegis, they can overlook it as long as Flay can 'keep him pointed in the right direction.' To them, Kira is a weapon they can use, and Flay is the one with her hand on the trigger. To that end, she gets training to serve as his sole combat operator, or is given her own X-Number to support him more directly, once he comes up with a proper Natural-use OS. Not sure how things would go from there, but it would probably get much much bloodier.
That said, Kakarot, I would like to see you do a more in-depth look on the Blitz path and on the Aegis path, both in the vein of your "What if Amuro got the Alex" vid series. :)
Depending on what kind of timeline it was and how strong are the current Sith and Disciple are, because let's face it, anyone with a gun in Gundam has a higher hit rate than a stormtrooper
I was really rooting for the Buster but your analysis was just what I expected. It'd be a fun mental exercise of "Getting Kira to survive piloting the Buster". But the Aegis would be the obviously most interesting/coolest version.
Loved the post you did, I’ve always wondered what would of happened if Kira got a different machine to pilot, and now you’ve answered the question best you can and best you could asume would happen
Stealth Suits in Gundam are underated. The fact that the one timelime where MS can turn completely invisible made invisibility a warcrime speaks volumes to this
Once and I start off they could have given strike bazookas and stuff like that and since they realize it could have packs they probably would have started working on the packs on board the ship immediately so it could be fully utilized and since they had the other being weapon trees that you would have started trying to copy on board the ship instead of sending the information back to zafts plants
I do agree that it would’ve changed significantly but I think they would probably result to using the buster to snipe Artemis, or maybe using the aegis in a ramming attack.
Talking about the Aegis scenario does bring to mind a question which I hadn't thought of before but seems rather reasonable. Why didn't the Earth Alliance simply improve upon their Mobile Armor designs rather than looking at designing Mobile Suits in the first place? This isn't like the UC where the Federation put most of their eggs into their space navy basket, the Alliance had MAs to begin with and while the vanilla Moebius may have been outmatched by the enemy GINN they could simply have made a much better model or models. Not only would MAs be easier for their Natural troops to pilot - especially in tandem with multiple pilots - but they had the experience designing and building them. They also could've incorporated the Phase Shift Armour, the advanced beam weapons, mirage colloid, positron reflectors, DRAGOON system, and anything other technical advancements they had going on into them as they did with the G-Weapons but without remaking the proverbial wheel. With the potentially larger size of a Mobile Armor's frame the energy limitations from the lack of nuclear reactors could've been offset somewhat by installing even more batteries into them, which is much less of an option for an MS design. Just imagine the Euclid, Zamza-Zah, or Exus -- but facing off against the average ZAFT MS all the way back at the beginning of SEED. Besides, who knows how long it would've taken normally for the Alliance to get their mass production MS project going if they didn't have data from the Strike, which wasn't something they reasonably could've planned to have.
I think the Blitz would be terrible for Kira, it wouldn't suit him at all because he has a similar personality to Nicol. I can't remember once in GS or GSD where Kira is the aggressor and starts a battle. The Blitz Gundam is specialized for assassination and infiltration, Kira is more of a mid-ranged defender, the first time it uses Mirage Colloid the other four Gundams are gonna focus fire on the his allies. Great video though thanks Kakarot197!
If we take into account that ZAFT did develop the ZGMF-X12A Testment that is full striker packs compatible without the strike, this might be bad for Earth Alliance as it may hasten the development of the ZAKU series or equivalent, in which may have push to end the war earlier in ZAFT's favor. Without the close combat data for the X100 type ( assuming Kira ended up with the buster, blitz or aegis), ZAFT might incur lesser loss on Battle of Port Panama, which result Earth Alliance might not able to take Victoria from ZAFT and limited the scope of battle on earth. Assuming if Kira ended up with the X200 or X300, and the development direction did change to develop them as mass production unit, Earth Alliance may ended up with lesser MS (although stronger) due to higher cost, which is in ZAFT's favor in a war of attrition.
Who here would love to see a Z.A.F.T capture version of the strike? Since it had no kit it would get outfited with zaft gear like the Ginn's sword and assault rifle or even the Cgue's beam rifle and Gatling shield. Honestly the more I think about it the more I want it, I man just imagine Z.A.F.T designing the striker packs
Thought one of the issues with trying to mass produce the Aegis was the complexity of its transformable frame. Though maybe with sufficient data acquired through use the EF might have found a way to reduce the cost on it.
I have a question that's been on my mind for quite a while, what if Flay actually became the Strike Rouge's pilot instead of Cagalli (aka an idea that was planned for the actual Mobile Suit Gundam SEED series where she would've piloted this MS as part of a propaganda for the EA but Fukuda ultimately scrapped that idea. Funny how the idea was revisited in the Rival Route portion of SD Gundam G Generation DS and you can even have Flay be the Strike Rouge's pilot in SD Gundam G Generation Cross Rays as well if you wanted)? I would assume that if Fukuda and Sunrise had gone through with the idea, Flay would've become the Sayla of the C.E. as a result.
[Question of the Week] Can you discuss Gundams that cameo in other gundam series?? One example is the Rx-78-2, Wing, and F91 showing up in the final battle of G Gundam
sort of related but in the anime Cross Ange there were some cameos of Gundam parts. Like one scene where we saw the Freedom's shield and rifle on display with other weapons.
Oh, I got an interesting one. What if everyone (or at least ace pilots) regardless of Naturals or Coordinators develop the SEED factor? Not just in the battlefield but also socially. I would like your opinion as to what would happen to the whole society if the next human evolution is achievable without going genetic modification. Would war stop? Or would war be seen as a way for evolution?
I think if Kira got the Aegis, he would have steam-rolled the other machines. The Earth federation would have cranked out an army of Aegis style machines which would have been terrifying.
I would love to see the Blitz scenario. Using it tactically, and making the most of it's abilities would be quite the story. Also i could see the strike's versatility end up making for some surprising situations where they produce several strikes as a team and all of them using coordinated combat plans.
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In theory the duel and the blitz could be modified to use the striker packs especially if enough spare parts where around. also helliopolis would not have been damaged as badly. however La cruse could have possibly been taken out in his first fight with kira, which would have rendered the tacital judgments he made that where critical to the war efforts non existent.
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What if Kira got the Wing Zero Gundam or the Epyon Gundam after the Strike Gundam was destroyed. Would he be able to manage the Zero System or go insane?
Didn't expect to find you mentioning Final Gear.
I am glad you have this question because I have been thinking the same thing
Sure I guess I will try out one of these sponsor games for once. The gameplay seemed different and interesting enough compared to the summoners war/raid shadow legend/whatever reskins
Lmao my strongest character is a loli and her personal mech is a freaking ball shooting homing missiles
The blitz scenario is probably my favorite of the bunch
how about a funny scenario that ZAFT stole the 'wrong' 5 Gundams as in they instead stolen the 5 Astray Frames and being unaware of the G-Project Gundams until the destruction of Heliopolis, probably found by Junk Guild + one unit given to Serpent Tail and one being in the hands of the Sahaku's.
In that scenario they probably would’ve screwed themselves over as they then would’ve become enemies with Orb because they stole orbs G weapons and Orb either would’ve declared themselves neutral and the series would’ve gone on as it did in the anime, or they maybe would’ve sided with the earth alliance since zaft stole their mobile suits.
@@blackcomet2nd950 No one cares about ORB at the early phases of the war. ORB might be push under the bus by earth alliance to coverup the G project and force them to join Earth Alliance. And with that, ZAFT might take action on sinking ORB earlier in which ORB have no strong defense over.
@@deadronin47 I’m not saying the the astray units were weak I’m just saying that if zaft had stolen those from orb then they undoubtedly would’ve become enemies with orb.
@@deadronin47 they're still vastly inferior to the G-Weapons. I'm 90% sure why the Astrays did so good in the manga is because the dudes piloting them are all one in a million super geniuses that modified them to hell and back pushing them to their extremes. The ZAFT would've lost extremely early without the technology from the G-weapon and they'd also piss off Orb who would have no reason to stay.
Then the strike will have the powered strike mode.
This is actually a good thing imo
Yeah, it sounds like if Kira had gotten the Duel Gundam, the story would have played out a lot more like Amuro's story. Because as "underpowered" as the duel was compared to the rest of it's kids (being the alpha prototype for G weapons) it's also the most well rounded, with the most potential for personalization and modification. Plus it's Gae Bulg Bazooka was nuts. It definitely would have changed the least of the conflict out of all the Gundams though, so probably the easiest AU for our fanfiction writing friends.
In each scenario the alliance's mass production unit will probably change
Imagine N Dagger Ns as the Alliances main suits.
That would be ugly asf. Let’s be honest lol
@@nikoladedic6623
Invisible warcrimes go brrrrrrt
@@EungsuLee you can't be accused of warcrimes if they don't know where you are
Imagine a fleet of Mirage Colloid (or a cheaper imitation of it) mass produced units
This just makes me want a new "Gihren's Greed"-esque Gundam war/strategy game, released in North America as well; this time involving tons of possible alternate scenarios for the *Cosmic Era timeline* depending on how you play.
1. What if the original intended crew for the Archangel survived?
2. What if the Creuset team managed to steal *all* of the G-weapons?
3. What if the Creuset team *_failed_* to steal any of the G-weapons?
4. What if the Astray Frames got more directly involved in the war [supporting the Archangel]?
5. What if the fact [that a Coordinator is piloting the Strike] was leaked to the PLANTs?
6. What if the Creuset team failed to get through Artemis' defenses?
7. What if George Allster was rescued?
8. What if the Archangel stayed with the 8th Fleet?
9. What if the CGUE completely replaced the GINN [early on] as ZAFT's mainstay mass-production MS?
10. What if Andrew Waltfeld & Aisha survived unscathed?
11. What if Kira really was killed at the Marshall Islands?
12. What if Lacus was assassinated?
13. What if the "Cyclops" bomb (at JOSH-A base in Alaska) either didn't detonate or was stopped?
14. What if Orb accepted ZAFT's aid during the Earth Alliance's invasion?
15. What if mass produced MS based on the G-Project were developed early on?
And *_so_* many more....
I am straight up surprised that a Gihren's Greed-style game for the CE era was never a thing.
Also, scenario 4 is basically Super Robot Wars W's post timeskip arc!
@@kuraux56s59 Right now, I'll add just three more for good measure...
16. What if Orb surrendered to the Earth Alliance?
17. What if the fact that [Creuset himself is the clone of a Natural] was leaked earlier on?
18. What if Nicol _didn't_ play the piano? :3
*(EDIT) BONUS ADDENDUM:* What if Flay trained to pilot mobile suits?
I think Kira getting the Duel Gundam would go almost exactly the same, as the Duel out of four would probably be the easiest to retrofit to be able to use the Stricker packs.
Daggers would probably be dueldaggers
If they didn't know about the Striker Packs or just didn't get them then he'd be up against a suit with either just daggers, or a variation of the Assault Shroud or weapons taken from a Ginn. All would be interesting to see
I gotta agree with this comment as well, the shoulders of the Duel Gundam are almost exactly the same to the point where the striker packs of both the Sword and the Launcher’s shoulder units can be used and for the main weapon it would be attached on the back replacing one of the beam saber storages at the back thrusters of the Duel. As for the Aile Striker pack then I would think of replacing the Duel’s current backpack with a different one to be more agile, of course the beam sabers would be kept on the Duel if there was any necessary use for it.
Kira Yamato: "I don't want to fight, but sometimes it's the only way that I can protect what's important."
"But if you do force me to fight then may the Lord have mercy on you!"
Ah Kira, pacifist but not a wimp. Thank you!
(Seed exploding sound)
Kira Yamato: i don't want to kill but I'll disarm my opponents and then let them die by their enemies without anyway to defend themselves because at least they're ain't killed by my hands
Kira : I dont want to fight !!!!!
While releasing all his funnel and docking his Nuclear Powered Gundam to nuclear powered METEOR pack system and multiple Locking All his enemy's then beam Spam the shit out of them
I do laugh at Impulse being just "one mobile suit" with what I imagined to be a mountain of "spare" chest and leg flyers waiting ready on the Minerva.
I would think that zaft probably could’ve made more impulse gundam given how many spare legs and chest flyers they had on the Minerva.
But they only had one core flyer
@@rafsolo they could’ve build more core fighters.
@@blackcomet2nd950 they actually did in the astray and msv stories. They decided to turn the spare impulse parts into destiny impulse (around 5 unit was made)
@@FN-170 well I never read any of the gundam seed manga and I knew about the impulse Destiny, I just thought that was a custom from build fighters.
One possibility that I'm surprised you didn't mention concerning all four of these alternate scenarios: Considering that the Archangel crew could still have the Striker Packs in these scenarios, what's the stop Kira and the Archangel's mechanics from effectively kitbashing various components of the Striker Packs onto the Gundam that they have? Like the Buster on its own might be a slowpoke, but what about with a jury-rigged Aile Pack? The Duel is basically a Pack-less Strike, so why wouldn't the crew be able to figure out a way to graft a few parts of the Packs onto it? And frankly, the Blitz potentially carrying an Agni rifle is kind of the SCARIEST thing in CE at that point.
I love the idea of Kira getting either Aegis or Blitz. Imagine Kira improving upon Mirage Colloid to the point where it no longer has set backs early on is a scary thing indeed. An Aegis piloted by Kira would probably end up with either very inhuman movement patterns in both transformation modes or we'll get an early glimpse at the Eclipse Gundam, transformable but have striker packs bolted on or something.
Kira would turn the Aegis into a guided kinetic penetrator missile. The beam sabers up front coupled with phase shift armor, all enemy fleet would be disabled.
So, the Blitz and Aegis gundams are the best choices for Alt timelines.
If someone wants titles try this:
Gundam seed: Invisible Star
Gundam Seed: Shield of Ages
Blitz definitely is better on the short term.... But seeing as Zaft will get to keep the monsters that are Freedom and Justice on top of Providence witouth Athurun, Yzack or Dearka deserting. All the while the genocidal Earth Alliance becomes stronger than ever with stealth nukes, at the same time as the only truly good guys of Orb gets nothing..... The aftermath of the war may be a lot worse off than in the original.
I honestly do not agree on these all that much. The Duel could have a bit better in the end as well, along with the Buster if you use it correctly, but that is my opinion.
ORB still has the Astray series. But it's gonna take longer to get to the M1 Astray, and even more with mastering/fixing the OS without Kira's combat data. Maybe the Sahaku twins will be more politically active as a result of ORB being weaker.
@@SoulstrikerV Actually Orb already has the M1 in limited production as of early January, Cosmic Era 71. Finding these Astrays at Morgenroete is how Cagalli was able to find out about the G-Project in the first place. Oh. They are far from being perfected as of the Collapse of Heliopolis but they are actually in some form of production which is far better then the Earth Alliance who haven't even started production of their own mass produced machine yet. They may have a couple of early production Long Daggers around, but as of yet introduced any form of true mass production type. As you mentioned they still need to get some sort of Natural, or Universal, Operating System together to actually make use of them. Yes. I do see the Sahaku family being the ones who will may end up making that a reality.
Actually, I'd imagine Kira would develop further as a traditional Ace Pilot(and as an overall all- rounder too) if he started out with the Buster, since as it is focused around mid-long range, he would have to learn to be creative with his usage of long range as well as shoot things much earlier than he would initially do with the Strike. And let's not forget how more reliant he would be on SEED Mode as the initial struggles he would have at the beginning might allow him to further improve his already Improbable Aiming Skills as the show progresses to the point where he can(and will) use his long range weapons at close targets with frightening impact(never mind the fact he can just cover the screen with the occasional shotgun spray).
His only real problems would be dealing with High Mobility units at a safe enough distance until he can learn how to predict their movements, of course.
It isn't a generalist suit like the Strike, but it is specialized enough for him to abuse any advantages he has to it's fullest potential. Never mind the possibility of still having access to the Striker Packs if they were not stolen, so he can always just jury rig those weapons to lesser effectiveness if he ever needed them.
Imagine Kiara being a traditional ace and yet he will still have his plot armor to offset any growing pains associated with that. Because he is their version of Jesus as far as the writers are concerned.
Well, I think Kira with Buster would be like those Feddie aces that used the GM Sniper Custom units.
We need more MC who use BFG as their main weapon
There are a few, the most obvious one is the Wing/Zero/Zero Custom with their room clearing big energy weapon
Think Kira would use the Buster Gundam about as effectively as the Launcher Strike, but beam spammage comparable to the Freedom....
Which is to say, he'd potentially be more of a monster than when he just had the Strike Gundam. The Zaft team would be unableto capture him early on, cause the buster Gundam out guns all of them + the fact Kira adapts to his suit faster than them. And then his skills would develop to capitalize on the Buster gundams advantages to a scary degree, especially when considering that Kira didnt have a no kill code early on.
If the Blitz scenario ends that way, then Rau probably wins and humanity loses, since his goal never would have changed. PLANT/ZAFT gets nuked, the Providence, Freedom and Justice with METEORs are likely able to protect GENESIS long enough to fire at Earth.
And to the survivors who comes out of the fallout post-Rau, we basically have a Cosmo-Era Gundam X.
That aside, the Blitz Gundam-what-if is legitimately fun to think about.
@@suhanhwang9988 Makes sense.
Unless Genesis isn't successfully built, or Rau gets killed by the Stealthy Boi.
We *really* need official "What If" shows for Gundam. What if Amuro got Alex? What if Kamile joined the Titans? What if Kira got a different starting Gundam? What if Athrun stole Legend Gundam? So many neat possibilities.
Except it was written the way it was for plot convenience
2:40 'precaution should it get stolen' We are talking about Seed gundam right?
Loved the "What of" since Gundam is full of alternate realities like Universal Century and others.
What if Kamille is not a Newtype?
Edit : Just like his Gundam Age counterpart, Asemu Asuno.
I have title for all of these what if
Gundam seed: the red sheals
Gundam seed : the blasting comet
Gundam seed : the invisible lion
I feel like they would just convert the Duel into using Striker packs since the Archangel was the hanger for all the packs.
Duel has used a modded IWSP in the Manga.
htat's how i see as well. also, the kira in the aegis is the most likely scenario for him to end up dead, as he still would overuse the cannon, run out of energy, but there wouldnt be a aegis to grab him away from the duel in time.
@@marcosdheleno unlikely since he was locked in combat with the Duel at the time. In this case, he'd be fighting against either the laughably useless vanilla Strike Gundam, Blitz, or Buster. The Aegis faaaar outstrips those other suits in performance so I doubt it will take much to disarm or defeat any of them.
@@akaneriyun4774 so did the strike after kira got used to pilot it. thing is, he was still a novice, who did waste alot of energy. it doesnt matter how more capable a suit is, once it runs out of power its basically a floating rock.
the scylla uses alot of energy, if they used the same strategy, there's a big possibility that he would run out the same way he did, which is my point.
@@marcosdheleno lol no. Firstly, the base Strike will only hold back whoever the unfortunate pilot will be against the Aegis. Doesn't matter if Kira wastes too much power when one of the suits he's up against literally cannot fly in space very well. After taking out the Strike, he'll be left fighting against just the Blitz and the Buster: both of which are terrible for one-on-one duels. And don't forget that he still has the Archangel and the Moebius Zero backing him up. It's just a matter of the output difference being far to great.
@@akaneriyun4774 did you not watch the episode? its not about how powerfull the aegis is, its how unprepared kira was in that fight.
they could give him the freedom and he still would mess that up.
Honestly, I kind of want to see the "Kira gets the Aigis Gundam?" scenario get expanded on like "what if Amuro got the Alex Gundam?" Because it'd be fun to see the full ramifications of this change, would this mean that Kira would then be piloting the Judtice while Athrun gets the Freedom?
Also it'd be fun to see the Blitz, and Duel what ifs as well. Shame about the Buster though could there be a plot armor fueled scenario where you can think of a way the buster could work?
Well in all of these scenarios keep in mind that with the exception of the duel and the buster, Kira and the archangel would get to Alaska properly instead of landing in the desert.
Amuro in Alex would have been cool.. I always hated how clunky it was made to look due to pilot shortcomings/interface issues...
@@blackcomet2nd950 I know, but Kakarot has a fun way of thinking up the details of how things go in the short and long term, I just want to have a play by play of the story envisioned by him.
Would the Freedom and Justice be developed as they were in that scenario even?
@@Jeikobu yes, but the real question is who would pilot them?
Hey Kakarot
When will you be making the Top 10 THICCEST Gundam and Non gundam MS??
That sounds like a valentine special lol
I second this suggestion.
I third this!
@@kakarot197 It will be February before we know it...
@@kakarot197 Do Halloween special with Scariest thing in Gundam Universe.
Stealth Assassin Kira would be pretty cool
Imagine Kira fully leaning into his dickish "if I were serious you'd have no chance against me" side and doing that to not just Sai but also to enemies on the battlefield. That would've been hilarious and cool, albeit in a chuuni, Helsing kind of way.
I'd say the Blitz is my favorite. Use the Mirage Colloid even before meeting the 8th Fleet, and Kira saves himself a whole host of Flay-inducing headaches down the line since her dad would still be alive.
Hell, Flay may never have used Lacus as a human shield and bargaining chip if he defeats the le Creuset team fast enough. Not sure what happens to Lacus in this situation.
Even with Admiral Halberton's support and backing, Kira is getting a hostile reception from most of the Alliance because he is a Coordinator, and the Blue Cosmos-controlled faction would look for any way to get rid of him and the Archangel.
But make it look realistic by setting it during a battle, and fucking them over in some way that can be said to be out of their control.
you guys are missing a more important part, the archangel would be stuck inside the umbrella. remember zaft used the blitz to infiltrate it. without it, they would just give up and go home.
for the archangel however, i can see things going very dark for kira, as he would be inside a blue cosmo controled base.
@@marcosdheleno Two things. First, Artemis wasn't BC-controlled, it was Eurasian-controlled. And I don't think Admiral Garcia was BC, he was just a slimy opportunist who used the 'racial divide' to guilt-trip coordinators into working for him. They'd be stuck in Artemis, yes, but odds are they'd end up becoming Eurasian.
Second, the Archangel could have suffered engine troubles for whatever reason, thus meaning the Archangel skips Artemis altogether and drifts into the Debris Belt.
@@Takeshi_Yamato_103 ican really say if he was BC or not, but the dude was shifty as all hell. also, isnt the eurasians the ones who sided with BC?
@@marcosdheleno The Atlantic Federation was the one that was primarily BC. They were the ones basically 'in charge' of the Earth Alliance, too. It was just lucky that the Archangel didn't have too many survivors aboard who fully subscribed to that mindset.
And yes, Garcia was shifty as hell, and a typical REMF. From what I gathered from his speech to Kira, he wasn't racist himself, but he played on the racial divide as, well, emotional blackmail.
@@marcosdheleno Late reply, but Kira would just end up meeting his 'brother' there because HE was supposed to pilot the Hyperion so... that would be hilarious with Blitz as attacker and Hyperion as defender, both using mirage colloid system.
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You have forgotten the fact that ZAFT DID build a Striker Pack compatible MS of their own. The ZGMF X-12A Testament. In Gundam Seed Destiny Astray, it was captured by the Earth Alliance before ZAFT managed to design their own Striker Pack for it. In the story, it was created to 'Research' the EA's Striker Pack technology. Presumably, the X-12A Testament was designed to use captured EA Striker Packs. The Junk Guild made the ZGMF X-12 Astray Out Frame out of a spare ZGMF X-12A Testament frame that Lowe Gule found in Genesis Alpha. There were 2 Genesis cannons made. The ZGMF X-56S Impulse was a combination of the ZGMF X-101 Zaku Splandor's Silhouette Flyer technology and is based on the ZGMF X-12A Testament's Striker Pack interchangeable armaments design philosophy.
I think I remember hearing years ago that the Duel was supposed to be also made compatible with the 'Striker' Packs
I agree since both Strike & Duel belong to GAT-X100 series.. Both MS are created to adapt in diff battle situations. There might be a need to modify them but it'll only be minimal
I would add the Duel was not yet compatible at the time of theft and the modification was to come later.
The fact that Zaft was able to make the Armor shroud on a ship would suggest that the crew of the archangel would be able to make the adjustments needed to make the Duel compatible with the already on hand Striker packs.
I'd still like to hear about a interesting timeline where Zaft stole every Gundam, forcing the "good guys" to create a brand new suit, designed to fight all of them. Creating a massive power struggle and war. Idk lol
I think EA will probably use hyperion gundam as base for their mass production MS
The Blitz and Ageis (can't spell) situation is most intriguing and thinking about it gives me shivers.
We can assume that the Archangel had all the different kits for the Strike so let's say Athrun got the Strike instead. Unless he finds other pieces, the Strike in ZAFT's possession will be very ineffective.
We could assume that the scientists and technicians in ZAFT being creative and either discover or develop their own striker packs.
@@wilsonteo6516 the Impulse proved that ZAFT had completely reverse engineered the Strike with the different packs
Duel was originally meant to be used with striker packs too. And yet ZAFT was able to craft their own pack and armor for Duel.
@@Excalibur01 No.... I think Kira kicking ZAFT's ass with the Strike and it's various packs inspired ZAFT to create their own knock-off, the Impulse.
Athrun takes the bullet and dies. Kira gets the Aegis and the pilot that died in the original gets the Strike. For a 'twist of fate' scenario, it's the only thing that makes sense, especially since the other mobile suits were outside of the complex.
Kira, not going against Athrun, doesn't have his dilemma and turns cold hearted. He becomes a full on soldier.
Rather than losing fights against their pursuers, he kills off one or more of the other Gundams.
The Archangel returns to the Earth faction as heroes, Kira is now most of the way to become an ace pilot.
Orb sees where it's going and supports ZAFT behind the scenes while maintaining that they are neutral. Eventually they evacuate to space.
Kira, despite his cold demeanor does not (and never would) support the nukes and would either defect before the launch happens or he'd fight from the inside.
I agree with this too, when Kira get to pilot the Aegis he probably can destroy the "incomplete" Strike if Rusty decided to attack him.
More like Kira will refuse to fight for the Archangel whatever the cost since Ramius killed his friend. Remember how hesitant he was to fight in the first place.
@@Zepxyranthes Kira won't realised it was Athrun that get shot plus he didn't even know Athrun is a zaft soldier. Kira probably will know Athrun death ONLY IF Rusty mention his name during fights.
Edited : Also it was not Ramius that killed his friend, the other workers did it.
@@izsan9070 my bad i thought u mean Ramius shot Athrun dead when they had their encounter
@@Zepxyranthes I agree with your take on Ramius shot Athrun because Kira might have some grudge on her.
Seed and seed destiny mobile suit development is a fascinating thing
if you got another QandA Video...here is my question, which are the most Corrupt Earth Military in Gundam Universe?
a.) Earth Federation from Universal Century (Original Series)
b.) Earth Alliance from Cosmic Era (SEED series)
c.) Gjallahorn from Post Disaster (IBO series)
What if the heist failed completely, resulting in Athrun and friends getting killed/captured, the Alliance getting all 5 gundams, and Kira never joining the Archangel?
what about a thought like, what would have happened if ZAFT wouldn't have conveniently learned about ORBs newly developed mobile suits, but instead ORB got a golden egg, in form of the professor Kira worked with telling the fellas working on the GAT's project "hey you guys, I think I got a Coordinator in my seminar, that's seriously ingenious with making OS for Robots and such", so ZAFT wouldn't only have their whole planed GUNDAM batalion, but also a perfektly customized operating system for them?
Now I just want an entire series dedicated to what if Kira got the Blitz similar to what if Amuro got the Alex
Depending on how useful the Gundam is, Kira would've lessen his creativity on battle because the Strike was too weak but a lot more versatile compared the other Gundams, evident on how Kira wasn't that creative on the Freedom unless he's fighting an enemy that he can't defeat easily.
Blitz is the top contender on lessening his creativity despite the Blitz having loads of weapons on its arsenal, because the Blitz would easily have the right weapon for Kira on almost every situation.
Aegis would be close second because it's got every simple thing a Gundam needs and Kira would only need to worry about energy consumption, plus with the Scylla he would've destroyed more ships before the Archangel would land on Earth.
Buster is third but very far from the second, but Kira would have to be very creative if he ever goes melee with someone, he'd be like Lockon and his Dymanes except there's not beam sabers. How Kirs would get creative with the Buster in melee I don't have any idea yet.
Duel would be very much the same except for the times when Kira had to use the armor schneider. For the Strike Packs they would've just forced Kira retrofit the Duel to be compatible with the Striker Packs, in fact the same could be said with the Buster as well.
I think the aile striker pack would’ve been the best thing for the buster gundam as that would give the buster more mobility along with beam sabers.
@@blackcomet2nd950 and even if the buster isn't compatible with the pack, they could still preserve the beam sabers before destroying it and equip the buster with them
@@altreon3608 basically turning the buster in the dynames from 00
Good point. This thought makes me want to see Kira Yamato tuning his Buster's movement for close combat and eventually inventing Mobile Suit Gun-kata. That would be hilariously cool.
Kira getting creative with the Buster Gundam would be hilarious. If he gets into melee, he just bonks Team Athrun over the head with the cannons like they were clubs or baseball bats.
Kind of weird to think that in your Blitz timeline Kira may have ended up fighting along side the boosted men. I also wonder if the Alliance would of built a better mobile suit for Kira at some point. Maybe a something like a cross between the Blitz and Forbidden since both machines had the same frame.
Too easy.
The plot armor carries over to whatever suit Kira uses.
Makes sense.
I was looking for this. Kira could have been given a Ground type Gundam and made EZ8 look like a scrub. Could have been given a Ball and had more kills then Amuro. Could have beat down Epyon with a Leo.
@@davenhla Kira could've taken on a squadron of Dom/Zaku prototypes with the 0079 Ball
I think it's quite possible that whatever Suit Kira had would be progressively upgraded with parts from the Striker Packs to mitigate its weaknesses. Eg. the Buster would be upgraded with the Sword Striker and some extra boosters from the Aile Striker to increase its CQB potential. Duel would definitely get an Assault Shroud-like or Perfect Strike-like upgrade, except it wouldn't be modular. Blitz is already a powerful unit so it would probably get the power plant and boosters from the Aile Striker to increase its mobility and extend the Mirage Colloid's uptime and possibly the Schwert Gewehr built into the Trikeros shield system (kind of like Exia, huh?) and a shortened, shoulder-mounted Agni to supplement the beam rifle for ranged attacks thanks to the increased power output. Aegis would probably become something close to the Justice Gundam with its upgrades thanks to the Aile Striker except with a much deadlier Mobile Armor mode thanks to the increase in power and mobility.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Ninja Kira with the Blitz Gundam. It would feed into his smug, dickish "don't care, had sex" side and that would've made the show much more interesting than the Mary Sue Kira we ended up getting.
Oh yeah
Lol! I totally forgot Kira was like that in the first half
Good point. Yeah, Ninja Kira in the Blitz would definitely work with the Kira/Flay relationship angle.
And with Halberton still alive, maybe the Archangel would get slightly more support before reaching the Earth.
But will this also prevent the death of Flay's father?
@@mikloridden8276 not really the first half, more like the second quarter.
What I love about this series of videos of yours is that it taps into the core of Gundam: it's a real robot series with most sci-fi-like features, where these what-if scenarios actually have decent bases to go on. Keep at it!
Here's a thought: Orb technicians try to evacuate the Astray Gundams, but during the fighting, they end up being abandoned next to the Alliance's equipment and so get hauled in by Archangel accidentally. Then they are discovered as Archangel is preparing for its silent run and one is determined to be suitably far enough along in development for someone who is a Natural to pilot it as Kira and his friends help rewrite the Software, discovering that the Astrays' Software Code is THEIR work!
Needless to say they are unhappy not only to have been lied to about their work, but also that they were programming for something totally different which makes everyone laugh as they finally get one of the Suits up and running for a brave volunteer to fly.
Resulting in two Mobile Suits and a Mobile Armor for ZAFT to have to tangle with.
Nice sponsorship! Been playing the game for a month now, it's really fun, and the mecha designs looks awesome!
I'm dying for a standard GM development history video!
A great question I’d like to ask would be what if the freedom and justice weren’t stolen
Then the series would have ended when Kira and Athrun fought.
Freedom won't be stolen if Kira was dead.
A scenario where ZAFT got all 5 Gundams, and Kira and the Archangel then had to recruit the Astrays and work with those machines would be cool. Especially if it meant an Archangel/Junk Guild alliance. Kira working with Lowe would have been bonkers, and Lowe's confidence, worldly knowledge, and good nature would have maybe allowed Kira to dodge that Flay Alster debacle.. It would also still allow the arc with the alliance with Orb and the development of the M1.
I already thought up of names for the Mass Produce variants of the Aegis Gundam. Because the Aegis Gundam is named after the fabled shield in Greek Mythology, might as well name them based on the types of shield.
GAT-01 "Buckler"
GAT-01D "Targe"
GAT-01D1 "Dual Targe"
GAT-01A1 "105 Buckler"
Umm, that would technically be '303 Buckler' for that last one, as the Aegis' model number is GAT-X303.
I was expecting that the perfect strike gundam would have:
-Assault shroud equipments and armor
-blitz gundam either the invisibility and/or the shield and claw
-aegis gundam weapons bonus if they get the high speed boosters. Because that aegis is fast
-buster gundam aim sensors and the transformable guns.
Question: What if Amuro Ray got the Strike Gundam, and the White Base was carrying the G-Weapons (minus Phase Shift Armor as we shall replace that with more sensible Lunar Titanium)?
Question: Why didn't Neo Zeon use the amazing Zaku III, and what would happen if they adopted it as their newest Mainline Mobile Suit?
Question: What if the Earth Federation of the Universal Century fought ZAFT instead of the Principality of Zeon?
Question: Disregard how easily GN Drive powered Gundams curb-stomp them - how effective are the Mobile Suits (and Armors) of the 3 Power Blocs of the Gundam 00 / Anno Domini timeline, when compared to the Universal Century + Cosmic Era + After Colony eras. Or in other words and in short, how effective/powerful do you think the Pre GN-X mobile suits are really?
I want to try to answer you're question if that okay lol
1. Amuro would stomp everything zeon throw at him. Strike is a lot more powerful and versatile ms than the original rx-78-2 and with luna titanium instead of prototype ps armor it had, strike will have less energy drain and longer operational time.
2. I remember somwhere that char wanted to reform neo zeon in his own image that's why he throw away most of the old ms and created geara dogas. It weren'r until the sleeves era they started reusing old ms (this era of neo zeon has no budget and manpower as they used to)
3. I personally think that CE technology is alot more advanced than one year war technology, plus zaft has coordinator pilots who is known to be better than naturals, so maybe zaft won.
4. This is based purely on my opinion.
One year war: I put ms of 3 factions above zakus, goufs and doms but below gelgoogs because 3 faction ms has little to no beam weaponry protection and has less versatility.
After colony: I think leo being able to use multiple beam weaponry and having more option parts for multiple various combat situation would win.
CE: CE would win they have more versatilty and better technology (if we don't include gn drives ms)
@@FN-170 basically you say that CE is underrated ?
I remember a few years a huge fight with gundam fans over 'jesus yamato' and the destruction of the original freedom. Personally I was more miffed that Kira and Lacus were never held accountable for theft
Well in SEED it was a moot point cuz Patrick Zala killed her father and his supporters shortly afterwards making her a fugitive. Kira was an enemy pilot so w/e. After the war the it was never really brought up since the 3ship Alliance played a huge part in ending everything
@@xSkye629x The first part is true. But after the 2nd war, to my logic at least, regardless their contribution it was still theft. What's more she promoted to leader and kira made an admiral. Just made no sense to me shrug
@@jessmith7324 By the second war/Destiny that was water long gone under the bridge. Anyone who did care by that time either was dead, out of the political system, didn't care, or turned around after they saved the first war.
War Kira an admiral at the end of Destiny? I know he got the White coat/uniform, but that has been used for anyone Captain and up
@@xSkye629x yea but the idea is the same. Still it's only a show so shrug
@@jessmith7324 well she is still ZAFT just a different political faction. I take it as the previous admin was no longer in power thus making the whole thing moot. plus for a "thief" they sure do take their time talking and not in a hurry whatsoever, which really give me the impression she got a lot of sway there like actually having all the authorization to be there.
Here's another what-if scenario for you: What if Biscuit Griffon had survived Carta Issue's attack on Millennium Island?
IBO season 2 would be like MGS Rising Revengeance, Mika would becoming more independent of Orga and capable to think on his own and IBO season 2 would have Mika vs Rustal final showdown just like Raiden vs Armstrong.
What if Shinn's family were not killed (or at least one of them survives, either Mayu or one of his parents) due to collateral damage during the battle of Orb? Would he become less stubborn?
What if Mayu did survive but was left horribly scarred and injured with Shinn military carrier mainly being to earn the money to continue her treatment. I think that a change like that could have subtle but impactful effect on his character and the story as a whole.
@@carlofthekey7288 That could work and make him less angry about Orb.
@@carlofthekey7288 depends on Seed medical tech. We know it's advanced enough to remove scars..... But remember, Mayu's hand was blown off in the canon incident......
@@tylercharles4587 You could just write that the treatments are just to get her to the point where she could live with out life support and live with Shinn. Maybe even give her a prosthetic arm, we've already seen with Waltfeld that the Seed timeline has some pretty advance prosthetics.
Weirdly enough, when I first watched Gundam Seed and got to the scene where Athrun captured Kira, I was actually rooting for Athrun to bring him to Z.A.F.T. My thoughts back then were, you're a co-ordinator, he's your best friend, just go along with him because he's trying to save your life. Even now, I often wonder how it would have turned out if Kira joined ZAFT when Athrun first reached out to him.
The problem is that Athrun isn't his only friend
As we have seen with Lacus, Archangel crew as a whole isn't against using hostages and there's a lot of them they can use to make Kira stay
No he would've been interrogated and treated like a prisoner of war and very poorly by Rau le cruset.
Michelle would have pretty much ended that right there with the AA havng no real fighting power (sorry mwu)
man loved the butterfly effort of what if gundam seed!! lol
I really wished Yzak and Dearka continued to use their gundams in Destiny or at least ZAFT upgraded variants
What if they each got their own striped down Impulse Gundam that could only use one silhouette pack and didn't have the core system. You could give Dearka a Blast Impulse and Yzak could get either a Forse or Sword type.
@@carlofthekey7288 Even better give them a new gundam to pilot.
Agreed. I always pictured that since the buster was severely damaged and dearka returning to zaft, zaft will upgrade the buster
There was really no need to continue using Buster and Duel because ZAFT's new grunt suit the Zaku outclassed them in terms of performance. Deakka would not have gotten a special suit regardless because he was a traitor and demoted. But Yzak on the other hand could use a Gundam for himsef (may Chaos or Abyss). Though Yzak alwas got Commander suit for himself
I always thought they should have gotten more clear "Ace Pilot" variants of the old Zeon suits. But like Luigi Bros said ZAFT likely wouldn't have given Dearka the benefit of the doubt. Like Yzak getting a CE Gelgoog and Dearka getting a Zaku Cannon (one that's distinguishable from the grunt) makes sense to me.
Reminder that they couldn't penetrate artemis without the blitz either
Kira with Blitz would turn Seed into Metal Gear Solid on mobile suits.
So, potential new QotW: What if Celestial Being had a fifth Gundam at the start of their Armed Interventions... and its Meister was Feldt?
The "WHAT IF?!" Gundam version would be interesting yet mind blowing.
Honestly, I'm more interested in how the Archangel would try to retrofit the Striker Packs on the alternate Gundam they got and the custom Striker Packs ZAFT would develop for the Strike they got.
that of course all assume the strike lasting long enough to be reverse engineered along with any packs they got the data on.
Id assume duel could be redone to use the packs its the most conventional uniform design like strikes. The assault shroud is basically a one off pack addon to it its kind of a meh suit which is how teh strike is without its packs.
I think the Duel would have been the easiest to put Striker Packs on, probably just a physical rearrangement of the hardpoints and the packs themselves. Buster would have been marginally harder but probably not terribly so.
I think Blitz and Aegis would settle for maybe a weapons container that could be sent to them since Blitz wants to get in and out super quickly so taking time to change packs is time not spent ganking. And Aegis is a transforming mech so it's already a delicate design you don't want to mess with.
Love these ‘what if’ scenarios where one change in the plot causes ripple effects throughout the whole series… just a thought.. if Kira were to get any of the other Gunits, wouldnt he lose the gundam in the phase shift down episode (5) where the only way out was Strikes ability to change his packs?
Ok…. For starters, agreed with the fact that ZAFT got the Strike. However with the Duel and the Buster, they likely would’ve jury-rigged an upgrade for them to accept Striker Packs. And in the whole run of it, aside from the OPs, certain scenes and (if Kira got the Aegis) what Kira’s second unit would be, nothing major changes
This was an awesome video! I dig these what if scenarios! Super fun!
What if Kira HAD joined Zaft when Athurn offered? Maybe he talks Kira into it by promising to protect his civilian friends after they surrender, to protect them from being made into soldiers or something.
What if Mu got the Strike and Kira died in the attack?
Now THERE's an interesting what if.
No one is going to shield the archangel from the dominion?
Well if Kira die's Kira, Mu will not get Strike because, the Strike will be destroyed to the point it can't repaired similar to Aegis...Kira survived because the criteria that defines Strike Gundam was still intact,(mostly located in cockpit area although some of cockpit area are burned) which enough to fix it using the spare parts...
But what if Kira and Murrue had got both the strike and the aegis
Maybe "what if Kira kills Yzak during Operation Spitbreak" instead of cutting the Duel by the knees? Yzak not present during the final battle in SEED would have made quite a big change in how things could have turned out and may affect SEED destiny in a bunch of ways.. 🧐
What if zaft will make their own striker pack. Remember they created the duel gundam’s customize armor.
Also the reason why they cannot take down the arc angel even if they only have 1 gundam is because of the strike gundam’s versatility and adaptability. Except for the strike gundam each gundam has a weakness with the other gundam. So zaft will take advantage of this.
Always love fun what if. Speaking of do you plan on continuing the what if Amuro got the Alex? That last vid ended on a really good cliffhanger.
I think ZAFT getting the strike would probally lead to early versions on the Zaku warrior and potentially pushing the war to continue for a longer period, even with its base data only having limited amounts of information on the packs they would have possibly been able to upgrade the Ginny's with minimal effort compared to trying to roll out higher costing mass production units and allowing for a larger force.
Maybe accounting the Blitz destruction (not in this senario), we might see Sven piloting the Blitz Noir in Stargazer😅
Wow, final gear makin progress. However I feel bad for the people who actually play it now that one of the top tier DPS banner is no longer available.
Question: what's the deal in Gundam with sized up conventional weaponry. Meaning giant swords and proper axes(beam edged or heat hawks not included) While it's not the most common thing in the franchise (excluding things like Post Disaster) I know that a fair amount of suits like the Gouf in 08th Ms Team did use essentially a giant blade. I'm mostly curious about the in universe logic and maintenance for giant cutting weapons if that makes some sense.
The gouf customs heat blade isn't actually that giant of a blade compared to the swords in seed. The main reason for those swords is that they're anti ship swords for big ships. That said I honestly don't like them, except for the impulses Excalibur swords and the gouf ignited heat swords, cause they just seem too clunky and have parts on the blade edge that would just get the sword stuck, along with having a space in the middle of the sword for the beam to ignite instead of a whole sword with beams igniting from the edges. And another big problem if you use it to fight mobile suits with beam sabers, the beam sabers will destroy the swords as there's no repelling factor like beam sabers in universal century do with I fields.
The reason for giant swords in the Gundam Seed Timeline is the they're used to easily destroy ship, hence the name "anti-ship swords". It sizes would be enough to slice/destroy a ship's entire bridge with a single attack.
On the UC side of things, I think the rationale is to make optimal use of the suits' fusion reactor power in melee-range battles. Having a heat hawk on a zaku is going to deliver more power at short range than a scaled-up machine gun. Even after beam weapons become commonplace for mobile suits, they remain bound by e-cap capacity, which isn't that high. Handheld beam/heated blade weapons, by contrast, have practically unlimited energy.
If IBO is anything to go by, it's essentially like having a giant big stick to smack through your enemies, the idea is not to make them sharp and cut, it's to just make them hard and smash through the target with a wedge. The aim is usually to displace enough material to either expose the cockpit or crush the whole thing with the pilot inside
Duel would have been cool. Wasn't it like the strikes counter part or something?
First prototype G weapons before Strike Gundam development.
I actually loved the Blitz scenario much more cause in hindsight Blitz is one of the most versatile Gundam of the 5 and giving it to Kira will Maximize its potential and would've given a maybe better story than what we have now
I like the idea of Kira in the Aegis and Athrun in the Strike.
In my mind, it goes similar to canon, with the following differences: The fight between Kira and Athrun on the way to Artemis changes because Athrun can't capture Kira's machine. After all, Kira's got the machine with the grappling claws. This means when he runs out of Phase Shift, it's much easier for Kira to get away, and cover fire from Mu and the Archangel keeps Yzak from following.
Things still proceed mostly as canon from there until the battle to reach the 8th Fleet, which is when Kira first awakens the SEED. Here is where I see a big change from canon. In this berserker state, intent only on protecting the Archangel, Kira could just grapple onto the Blitz, jet away from the Archangel to clear it from the blast radius, and just do a point-blank Scylla blast. RIP Nicol, and Kira doesn't even know his connection to Athrun yet. Yzak tries just charging Kira down for payback, and second verse just like the first, RIP Yzak. Dearka, at this point, has no other option but to retreat - He's all by himself, is likely running low on power, and if he tries going after the Aegis then he's next to die. Discretion being the better part of valor, I think Dearka retreats.
At the 8th Fleet, the Archangel still gets Skygraspers, but without the Strike, these take a more dedicated role as support craft. I'd say one gets the Aile Striker and one gets the Launcher Striker, and they just stay like that at all times on ready status. As the battle of Orbit gears up, the Strike gets an Assault Shroud add-on and an experimental beam rifle. With Yzak and Nicol both dead, Athrun and Dearka are probably howling for revenge, with Athrun no longer hesitating even if Kira was once his friend. The battle between Aegis and Strike in orbit is likely similar to Strike vs Duel in canon, though it's a coin flip as to whether Athrun will try to shoot down the shuttle with the civilians or not. If he does, though, I think Kira would go SEED and pull the Scylla trick a third time. Athrun might be able to survive by purging the Assault Shroud, but he'd probably take heavy damage, and I don't know if the Strike could survive re-entry in that condition. Regardless, Kira might be able to reach the Archangel more easily this time, or even if he can't they don't need to go as far off-course to find him. Rather than ending up in Africa, I'd say the Archangel lands in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. At which point they can get moving more quickly, and reach a friendly port on the Eastern Seaboard of North America. From there, they can fly to Alaska pretty much directly.
Flay still comforts/seduces Kira, and without Cagalli around she's able to sink her claws into him more easily. I would say that while Alaska command still looks unfavorably on Kira piloting the Aegis, they can overlook it as long as Flay can 'keep him pointed in the right direction.' To them, Kira is a weapon they can use, and Flay is the one with her hand on the trigger. To that end, she gets training to serve as his sole combat operator, or is given her own X-Number to support him more directly, once he comes up with a proper Natural-use OS. Not sure how things would go from there, but it would probably get much much bloodier.
That said, Kakarot, I would like to see you do a more in-depth look on the Blitz path and on the Aegis path, both in the vein of your "What if Amuro got the Alex" vid series. :)
What if The Galactic Empire invades a Gundam planet. And what would happen next?
Depending on what kind of timeline it was and how strong are the current Sith and Disciple are, because let's face it, anyone with a gun in Gundam has a higher hit rate than a stormtrooper
2:44 ...A government in SEED taking *ANY* precautions at all whatsoever for theft is completely immersion breaking
I was really rooting for the Buster but your analysis was just what I expected. It'd be a fun mental exercise of "Getting Kira to survive piloting the Buster". But the Aegis would be the obviously most interesting/coolest version.
Loved the post you did, I’ve always wondered what would of happened if Kira got a different machine to pilot, and now you’ve answered the question best you can and best you could asume would happen
Stealth Suits in Gundam are underated.
The fact that the one timelime where MS can turn completely invisible made invisibility a warcrime speaks volumes to this
no matter which unit, he will end up as Kira Jesus Yamato..it's inevitable
X300 frame will be hard to mass produce .. And the alliance will more use the mobile armor mode rather than using the mobile suit mode ..
Once and I start off they could have given strike bazookas and stuff like that and since they realize it could have packs they probably would have started working on the packs on board the ship immediately so it could be fully utilized and since they had the other being weapon trees that you would have started trying to copy on board the ship instead of sending the information back to zafts plants
I would think that without the Mirage ability, the stay at Artemis(? Shielded base) would change the storyline greatly.
I do agree that it would’ve changed significantly but I think they would probably result to using the buster to snipe Artemis, or maybe using the aegis in a ramming attack.
Talking about the Aegis scenario does bring to mind a question which I hadn't thought of before but seems rather reasonable. Why didn't the Earth Alliance simply improve upon their Mobile Armor designs rather than looking at designing Mobile Suits in the first place?
This isn't like the UC where the Federation put most of their eggs into their space navy basket, the Alliance had MAs to begin with and while the vanilla Moebius may have been outmatched by the enemy GINN they could simply have made a much better model or models. Not only would MAs be easier for their Natural troops to pilot - especially in tandem with multiple pilots - but they had the experience designing and building them. They also could've incorporated the Phase Shift Armour, the advanced beam weapons, mirage colloid, positron reflectors, DRAGOON system, and anything other technical advancements they had going on into them as they did with the G-Weapons but without remaking the proverbial wheel.
With the potentially larger size of a Mobile Armor's frame the energy limitations from the lack of nuclear reactors could've been offset somewhat by installing even more batteries into them, which is much less of an option for an MS design. Just imagine the Euclid, Zamza-Zah, or Exus -- but facing off against the average ZAFT MS all the way back at the beginning of SEED.
Besides, who knows how long it would've taken normally for the Alliance to get their mass production MS project going if they didn't have data from the Strike, which wasn't something they reasonably could've planned to have.
I think the Blitz would be terrible for Kira, it wouldn't suit him at all because he has a similar personality to Nicol. I can't remember once in GS or GSD where Kira is the aggressor and starts a battle. The Blitz Gundam is specialized for assassination and infiltration, Kira is more of a mid-ranged defender, the first time it uses Mirage Colloid the other four Gundams are gonna focus fire on the his allies. Great video though thanks Kakarot197!
If we take into account that ZAFT did develop the ZGMF-X12A Testment that is full striker packs compatible without the strike, this might be bad for Earth Alliance as it may hasten the development of the ZAKU series or equivalent, in which may have push to end the war earlier in ZAFT's favor.
Without the close combat data for the X100 type ( assuming Kira ended up with the buster, blitz or aegis), ZAFT might incur lesser loss on Battle of Port Panama, which result Earth Alliance might not able to take Victoria from ZAFT and limited the scope of battle on earth.
Assuming if Kira ended up with the X200 or X300, and the development direction did change to develop them as mass production unit, Earth Alliance may ended up with lesser MS (although stronger) due to higher cost, which is in ZAFT's favor in a war of attrition.
Who here would love to see a Z.A.F.T capture version of the strike? Since it had no kit it would get outfited with zaft gear like the Ginn's sword and assault rifle or even the Cgue's beam rifle and Gatling shield. Honestly the more I think about it the more I want it, I man just imagine Z.A.F.T designing the striker packs
Thought one of the issues with trying to mass produce the Aegis was the complexity of its transformable frame. Though maybe with sufficient data acquired through use the EF might have found a way to reduce the cost on it.
I have a question that's been on my mind for quite a while, what if Flay actually became the Strike Rouge's pilot instead of Cagalli (aka an idea that was planned for the actual Mobile Suit Gundam SEED series where she would've piloted this MS as part of a propaganda for the EA but Fukuda ultimately scrapped that idea. Funny how the idea was revisited in the Rival Route portion of SD Gundam G Generation DS and you can even have Flay be the Strike Rouge's pilot in SD Gundam G Generation Cross Rays as well if you wanted)?
I would assume that if Fukuda and Sunrise had gone through with the idea, Flay would've become the Sayla of the C.E. as a result.
[Question of the Week]
Can you discuss Gundams that cameo in other gundam series??
One example is the Rx-78-2, Wing, and F91 showing up in the final battle of G Gundam
sort of related but in the anime Cross Ange there were some cameos of Gundam parts. Like one scene where we saw the Freedom's shield and rifle on display with other weapons.
Crossbone Gundam X1 Full Cloth piloted by Lucas Nemesis appeared in Gundam Build Fighters Try.
@@shauqiharris2772 That was a specialized version of the Full Cloth
And the build series in general has a shit ton of cameos
He will still win because of plot armor 😂
Oh, I got an interesting one. What if everyone (or at least ace pilots) regardless of Naturals or Coordinators develop the SEED factor? Not just in the battlefield but also socially. I would like your opinion as to what would happen to the whole society if the next human evolution is achievable without going genetic modification. Would war stop? Or would war be seen as a way for evolution?
7:03 - Of course Kira would know Athrun was piloting Aegis, It's gundam anime, pilots can know who's in the MS literally judging by the way it moves
Makes sense. Who would pay attention to a bland looking machine? They have limited time so they must pick the fancy-looking ones.
I think if Kira got the Aegis, he would have steam-rolled the other machines. The Earth federation would have cranked out an army of Aegis style machines which would have been terrifying.
Kira with the Blitz Gundam would be a fucking unit
What if athrun stole the legend Gundam
Rey pursuing the legend in a gouf?
Great work. I would love to see some “what if” theories from 00
I would love to see the Blitz scenario. Using it tactically, and making the most of it's abilities would be quite the story. Also i could see the strike's versatility end up making for some surprising situations where they produce several strikes as a team and all of them using coordinated combat plans.
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I know I had more questions, but one the I recall: "What was the point of the 3rd Neo Zeon, aka the Sleeves, putting sleeves, collars, and other fancy ornaments on their Mobile Suits?"
In theory the duel and the blitz could be modified to use the striker packs especially if enough spare parts where around. also helliopolis would not have been damaged as badly. however La cruse could have possibly been taken out in his first fight with kira, which would have rendered the tacital judgments he made that where critical to the war efforts non existent.