Introduction of electric buses was a revelation in my town. Amazing difference and it will save lives even if the electricity isn't green. It's amazing how the noise and the smell was normal and not many actually though about it. It's like the smoking ban, after you've introduced it nobody want to go back to "the good old days".
I well remember the incessant squealing brakes of buses in Liverpool city centre and the smell of the brake linings as they went by. When Ariva introduced their modern German bus fleet suddenly the brake noise and dust was eliminated. .
In my city we now have electric buses as well, some of them are even driving long distances between cities. I am not sure that every bus in my city is electric but I am quite happy anyway
Not 100% correct as mentioned in the video about 19 minutes in. There are still abraded particles from brakes and tyres and possibly some lubricant or coolant escaping into the environment. These are also released by ICE cars so I am not saying don't go EV, just that you should be aware they are not 100% pollution free.
It's a double whammy for ICE really, they not only pollute directly, but also indirectly as you still need energy to refine the fuel. Something the anti-ev lot like to look over as that fuel doesn't just appear magically at the pumps. But they are happy to spread stupid meme's of a car/bike being plugged in with a power station in the background, forgetting that's the same for an ICE with the addition of the exhaust emissions from the tanks to move the fuel, and then again from the final usage.
Hi Dave! Blurry focus today! Great points and again spot on, ICE cars cannot become greener and how much energy has been used to actually get the fuel in the first place!
Don't forget to include the extraction, processing and transport (in oil fuelled ships) of oil from the middle east (look at the fuel mix for Saudi for example), the refining into fuel and the transport of that fuel on the UK road network in diesel tankers.
Did you know crude oil is a corrosive?. I used to be in the Merchant Navy, all the tankers were Lloyds tested on a regular basis to check the thickness of the oil tanks, if they failed then the ship was usually 'foreign flagged' so they could sail for a few more years but not with UK crews
A well researched critique of the National Grid. Many of us who want to expand our solar PV and battery storage are denied permission by our DNOs because the distribution networks are outdated and cannot cope with the additional generation capacity. Time to nationalise the whole lot.
Brilliant! An excellent presentation that destroys the impression that our National Grid is a tangible hard asset, whereas it’s nothing much more than a house of cards. I am very grateful to you for your insightful predictions concerning Great British Energy and how generators will be forced to abandon fossil fuels with every iteration of future legislation.
Exactly! But you mention the loss of effiency in getting the electricity from the powerstations to the vehicle. ICE cars have a similar delivery process which is also ignored in the statistics getting from source to tank. Polution from drilling, pollution from shipping, polution from refinement, pollution from distribution. Not only polution this are energy losses before the fuel is burnt in the vehicle.
Here's the maths. According to national grid ESO web is currently 173g per kWh. Now an EV does about 5km per kWh so for a quick calculation we can say. 173 ÷ 5 = 34.6g per km of co2. Now compare that to most cars that struggle to do less than 100g per km. It's also worth noting that whilst a petrol engine struggles to get more than 30% efficiency, a gas power station is nearer 60% efficient.
If you added in all of the other co2 that went into getting the petrol/diesel into the vehicle before it is burned by the engine it would be a lot more than the 100g/km you quote.
@@paulweston1106 i can count the burning of bunker oil to transport the oil and it is surprisingly little but it's about 5kwh/gallon at the refinery. A car doing 50km per gallon would use (173x5)÷50= 17.3g/km and this is the highest number on top of the car burning the oil. If people present transmission losses in energy not being in those calculations, I would counter it with transport costs, but we don't need to go so complicated, the 70g/km better and improving as the grid gets cleaner is more than enough to make the point with simple information.
Whilst I agree that electricity production in the UK will still produce less pollution per mile of EV travel than ICE, the concept of being able to buy Green Electricity is something of a con. There is a finite amount of electricity being produced and supplied to the UK market so if you choose to by on a Green Tariff it doesn't make the overall supply any greener as someone else will have to buy the non green energy.
@paulweston1106 Understood... being 90% green or 99% green or 99.9% green isn't yet 100% and the dirty part has to go somewhere. However, using electric to pump oil in pipes, electric to pump oil onto ships, transportation of oil in lorries and then energy to refract oil and so on and so on.... just to use electric to pump petrol into your tank... to burn. Which one is dirtier in its "overall" emissions? Like everyone on the planet, I have driven ICE and enjoyed ICE for decades.... but I except that it's emissions before and during 1 gallon of petrol is pretty filthy dirty.
@@paulweston1106 And your point is? It's a transition that is going well and will probably by 2030 or sooner be providing all power via renewables. No one is claiming the power all 100% 'green' yet however it will be soon.
Actually, having worked in the energy industry for decades, I'm well aware that if Ofwat worked in the same way as Ofgem, you wouldn't have the water pollution levels you currently have. Both the Grid and the DNOs have their profits regulated based upon the investment and downtime among other things. I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's not a valid comparison to compare the two regulators.
Nice one Dave, great way of thinking... Just a small correction, EV's do have differentials, drive shafts and a single ratio gear. Big favour for the future please, can you get yourself in focus (unless you're doing it for vanity reasons 😂)
Thanks Dave, that's a good explanation of how the Grid works and is funded. I am at the time of writing exporting 3.6kW of electricity and have been for the last 2 hours, I exported 2,000kWh last year and the year before, I don't see this green electric from domestic solar quantified anywhere, is a value actually known?
Forgive me if you mention this as I feel I must inform you of 1 ignored point. The last operating coal fired power station in England, Ratcliffe on Soar 14:01 is virtually closed down. And if ICE drivers don't believe me tell them to ask any one of there 50,000 pals who travel on the M1 passed Junction 24. When I passed it by on thursday last week there was only about 25 cars in the car park during daytime. On Sunday there was 7 and 2 of those were police vehicles taking a break. Gone was the cloud of steam from the cooling towers, the smoke from the chimney and gone too was the 4 acres of coal stocked up to 20ft high. They have only a small heap left.
But in fact it would still be there and actually you can see it - either way the toxins etc. are still there - stand by the back of your car as it idles and tell me you 'smell' nothing...
If government really wanted they could offer low rate loans or discounts allowing businesses and homes to install solar and battery storage on their businesses roofs / homes but as usual its only lip service to going green as big oil and big business control government of any colour or leaning, money talks. Just imagine how many green jobs could be produced, manufacturing solar panels, convertors, installation teams, all the back office staff, all paying tax.....but there you go
Hi Dave great video, was going to mention Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station :) Rants are needed to get through to the nay sayers. Hmm did add another comment which seems to have got lost , oh well was not bad or aggressive and was supportive.
What anti EV people don’t know, is that ICE car fuel generation uses loads of electric to refine oil. That’s why there is always a sub station next to refineries.
can you please meat up with Paul Burgess and do a debate to get to the truth on all these issues ? Even a video stream debate would be brilliant, he also has an EV.
Dave, it is a serious error to look at percentage generation by type. Evs are an additional load on the grid and as wind, solar and nuclear cannot increase output to match any extra load, it remains for gas generation to increase to match that demand. Essentially evs are poweredf by gas generation.
So many things wrong here. Wind is not clean energy you have to make the 90 tons of steel for the tower that is anchored in a minimum of 125 tons of concrete and the head of the windmill is 30 tons of high carbon steel in gears and 135 ltrs of lubricant from the petrochemical industry without which it cant run. Then you have to transport all this equipment to site on massive diesel trucks, and the glass fibre and carbon fibre to make the blades uses massive amounts of energy. And this is clean energy, I don't think so. And as for the grid the reason we have gas production of power is, it's the only generation source that can kick in quickly when required like when it clouds over or the wind drops. So economic 101 means these gas power stations have to make a profit and you can't do that on standby only sowe will always need gas power. Also CO2 is not a pollutant it is the gas of life we cannot live without it, all life on this planet dies if the level drops below 180 PPM. Another thing to remember is when there is a big weather event what's the first power source to go off line, yes you guessed it electric the petrol in my car will still be there, there is a saying about al your eggs in one basket.
Many argue that wind power is pretty bad when you factor in the production and disposal of the turbines. I've seen many talk about how blades are simply stored on site as it is to expensive to transport them away and recycle. Mining the minerals to create solar panels is also apparently pretty bad.
Even if this was true (Which it's not as Blades are recycled as are old Solar panels) I think you'd find that the fossil fuel industry has done and is doing worse damage day in day out than any other type of mining etc. And that's before any Dino Juice fuel gets in to any fuel tank to then be burnt ONCE.
All forms of power generation (including ICE and EV motion) are a bag of compromises. It's easy to look for a trump card to negate any one of them: solar panel metal leaching; wind turbine insect culling; coal metal oxides; hydro silting; etc. However, the world has to keep moving and power should be top priority to develop economies and lift people out of poverty as well as enrich nations. At present EVs act to shift the damage done in generation, which is all well and good, but really low impact generation may well be in reliable power sources such as nuclear - which don't necessarily require a grid upgrade needing £4trn. As your video more than implies it's all about money and who benefits, and that's the disconnect. Whether anyone in authority in London can figure this out remains to be seen, my suspiscion is that they work for other paymasters rather than the voting electorate.
Dave picking his cherries again!! On several occasions this week, and for many hours solar has been at 0% of demand and wind less than 5%. This is known as Dunkelflaute. Why are you focused so heavily on the UK? China consumed over 4 billion tonnes of coal in 2023 alone, of which more than 50 million tonnes was shipped from Australia..... with oil. China was also responsible for more than 95% of new coal power construction activity last year. You never mention any of this when talking about manufacturing 'green' products like solar panels, batteries, EV's. How come? I am also waiting for you to explain how China burning all that coal on behalf of others, is beneficial to the Chinese environment, and health of Chinese people/children? I guess that is irrelevant being not in your back yard, right? I wonder if comment will disappear like others before?!?!
Britain was built on coal. It has the resources why have we squandered it. I have to buy coal in Scotland smuggle it into England, so I can keep warm, that is imported from China. MADNESS.
Introduction of electric buses was a revelation in my town. Amazing difference and it will save lives even if the electricity isn't green.
It's amazing how the noise and the smell was normal and not many actually though about it. It's like the smoking ban, after you've introduced it nobody want to go back to "the good old days".
I well remember the incessant squealing brakes of buses in Liverpool city centre and the smell of the brake linings as they went by. When Ariva introduced their modern German bus fleet suddenly the brake noise and dust was eliminated.
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In my city we now have electric buses as well, some of them are even driving long distances between cities. I am not sure that every bus in my city is electric but I am quite happy anyway
The key point is that ICE cars directly pollute our towns and cities whereas EVs don’t.
Not 100% correct as mentioned in the video about 19 minutes in. There are still abraded particles from brakes and tyres and possibly some lubricant or coolant escaping into the environment. These are also released by ICE cars so I am not saying don't go EV, just that you should be aware they are not 100% pollution free.
It's a double whammy for ICE really, they not only pollute directly, but also indirectly as you still need energy to refine the fuel. Something the anti-ev lot like to look over as that fuel doesn't just appear magically at the pumps. But they are happy to spread stupid meme's of a car/bike being plugged in with a power station in the background, forgetting that's the same for an ICE with the addition of the exhaust emissions from the tanks to move the fuel, and then again from the final usage.
Hi Dave! Blurry focus today!
Great points and again spot on, ICE cars cannot become greener and how much energy has been used to actually get the fuel in the first place!
Don't forget to include the extraction, processing and transport (in oil fuelled ships) of oil from the middle east (look at the fuel mix for Saudi for example), the refining into fuel and the transport of that fuel on the UK road network in diesel tankers.
Did you know crude oil is a corrosive?. I used to be in the Merchant Navy, all the tankers were Lloyds tested on a regular basis to check the thickness of the oil tanks, if they failed then the ship was usually 'foreign flagged' so they could sail for a few more years but not with UK crews
Very good point to the passive smoking comparison, hadn't occurred to me that something like that has already happened before 👍
A well researched critique of the National Grid. Many of us who want to expand our solar PV and battery storage are denied permission by our DNOs because the distribution networks are outdated and cannot cope with the additional generation capacity. Time to nationalise the whole lot.
Brilliant! An excellent presentation that destroys the impression that our National Grid is a tangible hard asset, whereas it’s nothing much more than a house of cards. I am very grateful to you for your insightful predictions concerning Great British Energy and how generators will be forced to abandon fossil fuels with every iteration of future legislation.
I’ve learnt some useful information from you Dave. Thank you.
Excellent explanation very interesting insight.Thank you John.👍👍
And you didn’t even mention the oil spill hitting the Philippines today!
I'm sure there will be a video about that ticking time bomb 😞 coming to this channel soon.
Well put argument as to how the grid works!
Cheers Dave I love FACTS
Great video Dave
Great video & details 👍
Exactly! But you mention the loss of effiency in getting the electricity from the powerstations to the vehicle. ICE cars have a similar delivery process which is also ignored in the statistics getting from source to tank. Polution from drilling, pollution from shipping, polution from refinement, pollution from distribution. Not only polution this are energy losses before the fuel is burnt in the vehicle.
Nah, they got this magic wand that lets it jump from the under the ground right in to the tank !
Here's the maths.
According to national grid ESO web is currently 173g per kWh. Now an EV does about 5km per kWh so for a quick calculation we can say.
173 ÷ 5 = 34.6g per km of co2. Now compare that to most cars that struggle to do less than 100g per km.
It's also worth noting that whilst a petrol engine struggles to get more than 30% efficiency, a gas power station is nearer 60% efficient.
If you added in all of the other co2 that went into getting the petrol/diesel into the vehicle before it is burned by the engine it would be a lot more than the 100g/km you quote.
@@paulweston1106 i can count the burning of bunker oil to transport the oil and it is surprisingly little but it's about 5kwh/gallon at the refinery. A car doing 50km per gallon would use (173x5)÷50= 17.3g/km and this is the highest number on top of the car burning the oil. If people present transmission losses in energy not being in those calculations, I would counter it with transport costs, but we don't need to go so complicated, the 70g/km better and improving as the grid gets cleaner is more than enough to make the point with simple information.
Brilliant video. I had no idea how the fossil fuel corporations were holding back the injection of cheaper renewables into the grid. 😢
In every single study EVs are not worst than ICE. In the UK you can purchase clean electricity. In other countries this may be different.
Whilst I agree that electricity production in the UK will still produce less pollution per mile of EV travel than ICE, the concept of being able to buy Green Electricity is something of a con. There is a finite amount of electricity being produced and supplied to the UK market so if you choose to by on a Green Tariff it doesn't make the overall supply any greener as someone else will have to buy the non green energy.
@paulweston1106 Understood... being 90% green or 99% green or 99.9% green isn't yet 100% and the dirty part has to go somewhere. However, using electric to pump oil in pipes, electric to pump oil onto ships, transportation of oil in lorries and then energy to refract oil and so on and so on.... just to use electric to pump petrol into your tank... to burn. Which one is dirtier in its "overall" emissions? Like everyone on the planet, I have driven ICE and enjoyed ICE for decades.... but I except that it's emissions before and during 1 gallon of petrol is pretty filthy dirty.
@@paulweston1106 And your point is? It's a transition that is going well and will probably by 2030 or sooner be providing all power via renewables. No one is claiming the power all 100% 'green' yet however it will be soon.
@mikegipson1224 I'm saying that the idea that any one individual is somehow buying clean energy is something of a 'feel good' con at the moment.
@@paulweston1106 Yeah agreed it's not always 'green' as it will depend on local production your DNO distributes so yes agreed.
Not forgetting that National Grid is a 20% stake holder in National gas !
To power an ICE car 100 Km for example the oil wells, transportation systems, and refineries use almost as much electricity as a BEV.
Actually, having worked in the energy industry for decades, I'm well aware that if Ofwat worked in the same way as Ofgem, you wouldn't have the water pollution levels you currently have.
Both the Grid and the DNOs have their profits regulated based upon the investment and downtime among other things.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but it's not a valid comparison to compare the two regulators.
Nice one Dave, great way of thinking... Just a small correction, EV's do have differentials, drive shafts and a single ratio gear.
Big favour for the future please, can you get yourself in focus (unless you're doing it for vanity reasons 😂)
Thanks Dave, that's a good explanation of how the Grid works and is funded. I am at the time of writing exporting 3.6kW of electricity and have been for the last 2 hours, I exported 2,000kWh last year and the year before, I don't see this green electric from domestic solar quantified anywhere, is a value actually known?
Forgive me if you mention this as I feel I must inform you of 1 ignored point.
The last operating coal fired power station in England, Ratcliffe on Soar 14:01 is virtually closed down. And if ICE drivers don't believe me tell them to ask any one of there 50,000 pals who travel on the M1 passed Junction 24. When I passed it by on thursday last week there was only about 25 cars in the car park during daytime. On Sunday there was 7 and 2 of those were police vehicles taking a break.
Gone was the cloud of steam from the cooling towers, the smoke from the chimney and gone too was the 4 acres of coal stocked up to 20ft high. They have only a small heap left.
Yes, you can see the smoke from the exhaust of an old car, but if it was a new car, the smoke from the exhaust would be invisible. 🙂
But in fact it would still be there and actually you can see it - either way the toxins etc. are still there - stand by the back of your car as it idles and tell me you 'smell' nothing...
Did you talk about constrain payments for wind ? how does that fit into the picture ?
If government really wanted they could offer low rate loans or discounts allowing businesses and homes to install solar and battery storage on their businesses roofs / homes but as usual its only lip service to going green as big oil and big business control government of any colour or leaning, money talks. Just imagine how many green jobs could be produced, manufacturing solar panels, convertors, installation teams, all the back office staff, all paying tax.....but there you go
Hi Dave great video, was going to mention Ratcliffe-on-Soar Power Station :) Rants are needed to get through to the nay sayers. Hmm did add another comment which seems to have got lost , oh well was not bad or aggressive and was supportive.
Just a small point, EV's do have differentials.
Sorry I mean thank you Dave .👍👍
What anti EV people don’t know, is that ICE car fuel generation uses loads of electric to refine oil. That’s why there is always a sub station next to refineries.
can you please meat up with Paul Burgess and do a debate to get to the truth on all these issues ? Even a video stream debate would be brilliant, he also has an EV.
Dave,
it is a serious error to look at percentage generation by type.
Evs are an additional load on the grid and as wind, solar and nuclear cannot increase output to match any extra load, it remains for gas generation to increase to match that demand.
Essentially evs are poweredf by gas generation.
Dave. EVs do have differentials. It's the one big part of the drivetrain, along with driveshafts that they do have.
It's a Swedish pop group all over again 🎶money, money, money it's a rich man's world 🎶
So many things wrong here. Wind is not clean energy you have to make the 90 tons of steel for the tower that is anchored in a minimum of 125 tons of concrete and the head of the windmill is 30 tons of high carbon steel in gears and 135 ltrs of lubricant from the petrochemical industry without which it cant run. Then you have to transport all this equipment to site on massive diesel trucks, and the glass fibre and carbon fibre to make the blades uses massive amounts of energy. And this is clean energy, I don't think so. And as for the grid the reason we have gas production of power is, it's the only generation source that can kick in quickly when required like when it clouds over or the wind drops. So economic 101 means these gas power stations have to make a profit and you can't do that on standby only sowe will always need gas power. Also CO2 is not a pollutant it is the gas of life we cannot live without it, all life on this planet dies if the level drops below 180 PPM. Another thing to remember is when there is a big weather event what's the first power source to go off line, yes you guessed it electric the petrol in my car will still be there, there is a saying about al your eggs in one basket.
Hello mate
Many argue that wind power is pretty bad when you factor in the production and disposal of the turbines.
I've seen many talk about how blades are simply stored on site as it is to expensive to transport them away and recycle.
Mining the minerals to create solar panels is also apparently pretty bad.
Even if this was true (Which it's not as Blades are recycled as are old Solar panels) I think you'd find that the fossil fuel industry has done and is doing worse damage day in day out than any other type of mining etc. And that's before any Dino Juice fuel gets in to any fuel tank to then be burnt ONCE.
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All forms of power generation (including ICE and EV motion) are a bag of compromises. It's easy to look for a trump card to negate any one of them: solar panel metal leaching; wind turbine insect culling; coal metal oxides; hydro silting; etc. However, the world has to keep moving and power should be top priority to develop economies and lift people out of poverty as well as enrich nations. At present EVs act to shift the damage done in generation, which is all well and good, but really low impact generation may well be in reliable power sources such as nuclear - which don't necessarily require a grid upgrade needing £4trn. As your video more than implies it's all about money and who benefits, and that's the disconnect. Whether anyone in authority in London can figure this out remains to be seen, my suspiscion is that they work for other paymasters rather than the voting electorate.
Dave picking his cherries again!!
On several occasions this week, and for many hours solar has been at 0% of demand and wind less than 5%. This is known as Dunkelflaute.
Why are you focused so heavily on the UK? China consumed over 4 billion tonnes of coal in 2023 alone, of which more than 50 million tonnes was shipped from Australia..... with oil. China was also responsible for more than 95% of new coal power construction activity last year.
You never mention any of this when talking about manufacturing 'green' products like solar panels, batteries, EV's. How come?
I am also waiting for you to explain how China burning all that coal on behalf of others, is beneficial to the Chinese environment, and health of Chinese people/children? I guess that is irrelevant being not in your back yard, right?
I wonder if comment will disappear like others before?!?!
Britain was built on coal. It has the resources why have we squandered it. I have to buy coal in Scotland smuggle it into England, so I can keep warm, that is imported from China. MADNESS.