God damn. Ignore what I said about sky attack at the end, the rival gets it in the red/blue champion battle, it was added in a random file in the assembly that I didn't look at. Doh!! Thanks DwunD!!
The title of this video made me think of another question: how many backport smeargles would be necessary to use all moves (with rare candies)? Would 16 be enough?
Haha great question! I think 16 should be plenty, 10 moves each assuming you get them all at level 5 :) And spoiler alert, we might not need a 17th to get us all the way to 165 cus of some annoying missing moves :D
You could get every move, if you used trainer fly glitch to make pokemon appear that have the level up moves needed. Maybe some glitch pokemon have the moves not in learn set? OR you could encounter the wild ditto roaming around, have it transform into kangaskhan/porygon/etc and then switch in YOUR ditto to copy those moves it copied from your other pokemon.
i love this series, cant wait! i imagine theres gonna be some double ditto shenaningans for moves like sharpen or conversion that no trainer uses, im really curious
I think that allowing metronome, you could get all moves with just ditto and a pokemon that can learn metronome and mimic (also needed since it's the only one of the missing nine that metronome can't call in gen 1). Chansey would be a good candidate for the metronome user since it would also knock out softboiled and egg bomb, leaving only 5 moves to grind out with metronome, but there could be a better option I'm not thinking of. Of course, if you're going the metronome route, Mew can cover transform, metronome, and mimic all on its own, so it's kind of a moot point.
A Mewt point* Yeh all good ideas, I stuck with the ditto approach cus it made the run feel at least semi-legitimate (ignoring the fact that I got it as a starter pokemon :D)
Not gonna lie, I wasn't expecting that you would be able to get that many moves, for some reason I imagined way too much stuff not being in the Pokemon's movesets we see around the world. Also Waterfall existing in gen 1 will never not feel wrong haha. Nice video!
Ditto was glad to no use razor wind😂😂😂, because it's so bad. But another way to do that is to have a battle with a firend (I meant playing with onter cartridge by yourself)that got this move,so that Ditto can do it on it's own,but hey the run had a good massage in the end, you don't need to do everything on your own.😊 The intro was super funny.Dittos are doing everything for sure , especially in day care.😂😂😂 I bet that coding this overlay took a lot of time, I wonder how you would do that in gen 3 or 4 .😅
Thanks Batel! The battling with a friend is a great idea! I knew I wanted to use the last few moves somehow, I was thinking maybe adding a trainer into the game with those pokemon for me to copy off, but then I thought this whole ditto question came from the minimum team video, so it'd make sense to show the new minimum team if we let ditto do his thing :D But i'll definitely be stealing the link cable battle idea for future! :D
@@kangaskdan Basically Ditto is carrying the team,when it comes to minimum amount of pokemon that you'll need to use up all of these moves. 😁 And go for it! If you'll ever need a hand with some footage for the cable link battle, I don't mind helping out .😊
Could a Mew do it solo, it gets Transform and learns all the TMs. I think it would only miss Dizzy Punch? Could you Transform into another Ditto that has transformed into a Pokemon with those moves?
Great idea! I need to see if it's allowed, I thought maybe there was some limitation about transforming into a pokemon that has transformed, but I'll see if it works :D I'd probably have to say my minimum team count required is "1*", *as the full party of remaining-move-having pokemon would still be required to be transformed into :)
@@kangaskdanin gen 1 you can transform multiple times, that’s how shiny hunters can get a shiny ditto for breeding in gen 2. Doing a double transform may turn mew into a ditto permanently, I don’t remember if it does that to mons you already own or not. But if you cheat in a wild mew and it transforms twice, when you catch it, it’ll be a ditto
before watching my mind went to a few things. if you can't swap no. but he is letting swapping next some that to me i imagine will be niche/hard to find waterfall, pin missle, twin needle and spore. i mean the bug attacks to me feel rare in some cases. also conversions from porygon.
Good observations! No swapping would be an interesting one, I'd be missing a whole lot of moves from gym leaders as it is always their ace that has the TM move. And definitely, I was convinced I'd be missing waterfall and spore as I don't think I've ever had those moves used against me in gen 1. Turns out it's because I'd never fished for a seaking in cerulean in a casual playthrough :D
Haha how fast can I hold down the A button :D although I think there are some moves that metronome can't use (like mimic) so we might be waiting a while!
Me too! Although smeargle would be more time-consuming... which means people would probably prefer me to do that one :D It would also have more of a gen 2 flavour... damn
You can also put these moves on a pokemon, encounter a wild Ditto, wait for it to transform (and get your moveset), then switch into your own Ditto (getting your own moveset back), and then use them. At least I think that'll work?
Yehh that's what people seem to be implying! So I guess I could have done it all with one ditto (and my sneaky team of 6 at the end), at least ditto would have been the one using all the moves. Oh well il know for next time :)
10:12 if youre willing to stretch the rules a little bit (which i imagine you are considering you brought new team members in to finish off the remaining moves), technically you could still use all the moves specifically as Ditto by making a wild Ditto transform into these newly introduced team members then making your Ditto transform into the wild one, right? it still wouldnt be "with *JUST* a ditto", keyword "just", but youd still be able to say "with a ditto"
Nicely done. I always thought there was a trainer with a lickitung that knew cut near the power plant in gen 1, might be wrong though. And the champions pigeot in R/B knows sky attack. Only pokemon with that move (aside from Moltres who learns it via level up).
Oh god are you serious?! Damn :D I should consult with you before I ever post a video! Oh well at least my min team count is the same, just wrong number of unused moves :p doh
@DwunD016 I found the awkward piece of code where sky attack gets shoved in. The swine, setting me up for failure :D I haven't found any sneaky Cut additions yet though, il pop over to the power plant later and check it out :)
That is a great shout! I didn't know if there were some rules about transforming into a transformed pokemon, but I'll definitely check this out. I would probably still keep the final result the same, but this would be an interesting way to get the last few on the board :) I'll keep this in mind for gen 2!
Gen 1 is the only gen which allows transforming into a transformed target, so it would work. (Future gens make it fail if you try, to prevent a softlock where your Ditto and their Ditto keep transforming into each other and can never run out of PP.)
Can't you let a wild ditto transform into your pokemon that knows one of the moves you couldn't get, then switch to your ditto and let it transform into the wild transformed ditto if that is possible
God damn. Ignore what I said about sky attack at the end, the rival gets it in the red/blue champion battle, it was added in a random file in the assembly that I didn't look at. Doh!!
Thanks DwunD!!
Everyone make sure to SMASH that Like Button though! And bring on Gen 3 all moves!
Dude! I was typing my angry ackchyually comment already, you ruined it.
@Voliharmin haha no one is more angry about this than I am :D
@Voliharmin damn lol. Well, ill let you get the next one.
Have no fear both, there will definitely be a next one. I'm gonna be sweating bullets before posting the gen 3 vid
Metronome :) Jk! Great video Dan I'm looking forward to what you come up with next
Thanks mate!!
The title of this video made me think of another question: how many backport smeargles would be necessary to use all moves (with rare candies)? Would 16 be enough?
Haha great question! I think 16 should be plenty, 10 moves each assuming you get them all at level 5 :)
And spoiler alert, we might not need a 17th to get us all the way to 165 cus of some annoying missing moves :D
@@kangaskdanWith a transforming smeargle you could make that number much lower, right?
Metronome
@dragonslayerz2220 I mean, technically a smeargle with transform can learn all moves, just not in one battle
@@dragonslayerz2220 can you Sketch transform?
You could get every move, if you used trainer fly glitch to make pokemon appear that have the level up moves needed. Maybe some glitch pokemon have the moves not in learn set?
OR you could encounter the wild ditto roaming around, have it transform into kangaskhan/porygon/etc and then switch in YOUR ditto to copy those moves it copied from your other pokemon.
Yup exactly!! If only I could see these comments before I post the video :D well you've all given me great ideas for gen 2 at least!!
i love this series, cant wait! i imagine theres gonna be some double ditto shenaningans for moves like sharpen or conversion that no trainer uses, im really curious
Thanks! Well you may have figured out why there's a question mark in the video title :D Damn elusive porygons!
Now see how many moves you can use with just a Smeargle
Haha maybe with an endless army of smeargles. Ditto is much more reusable:)
I think that allowing metronome, you could get all moves with just ditto and a pokemon that can learn metronome and mimic (also needed since it's the only one of the missing nine that metronome can't call in gen 1).
Chansey would be a good candidate for the metronome user since it would also knock out softboiled and egg bomb, leaving only 5 moves to grind out with metronome, but there could be a better option I'm not thinking of.
Of course, if you're going the metronome route, Mew can cover transform, metronome, and mimic all on its own, so it's kind of a moot point.
A Mewt point*
Yeh all good ideas, I stuck with the ditto approach cus it made the run feel at least semi-legitimate (ignoring the fact that I got it as a starter pokemon :D)
Not gonna lie, I wasn't expecting that you would be able to get that many moves, for some reason I imagined way too much stuff not being in the Pokemon's movesets we see around the world.
Also Waterfall existing in gen 1 will never not feel wrong haha. Nice video!
Yehh i was surprised too! My times playing gen 1 I always felt like the enemy uses leer and sand-attack and that's about it :D
Ditto was glad to no use razor wind😂😂😂, because it's so bad. But another way to do that is to have a battle with a firend (I meant playing with onter cartridge by yourself)that got this move,so that Ditto can do it on it's own,but hey the run had a good massage in the end, you don't need to do everything on your own.😊
The intro was super funny.Dittos are doing everything for sure , especially in day care.😂😂😂
I bet that coding this overlay took a lot of time, I wonder how you would do that in gen 3 or 4 .😅
Thanks Batel!
The battling with a friend is a great idea! I knew I wanted to use the last few moves somehow, I was thinking maybe adding a trainer into the game with those pokemon for me to copy off, but then I thought this whole ditto question came from the minimum team video, so it'd make sense to show the new minimum team if we let ditto do his thing :D
But i'll definitely be stealing the link cable battle idea for future! :D
@@kangaskdan Basically Ditto is carrying the team,when it comes to minimum amount of pokemon that you'll need to use up all of these moves. 😁
And go for it! If you'll ever need a hand with some footage for the cable link battle, I don't mind helping out .😊
ALGORITHM!
Love the vids, man!
Thanks Rob!! :)
Could a Mew do it solo, it gets Transform and learns all the TMs. I think it would only miss Dizzy Punch? Could you Transform into another Ditto that has transformed into a Pokemon with those moves?
Great idea! I need to see if it's allowed, I thought maybe there was some limitation about transforming into a pokemon that has transformed, but I'll see if it works :D I'd probably have to say my minimum team count required is "1*", *as the full party of remaining-move-having pokemon would still be required to be transformed into :)
@@kangaskdanin gen 1 you can transform multiple times, that’s how shiny hunters can get a shiny ditto for breeding in gen 2. Doing a double transform may turn mew into a ditto permanently, I don’t remember if it does that to mons you already own or not. But if you cheat in a wild mew and it transforms twice, when you catch it, it’ll be a ditto
@rickytickybobbywobbin7430 that's bonkers! Gen 1 is the gift that keeps giving :D
*Me going to mention metronome*
=> "please nobody mention metronome"
Oh ok, fair enough I guess but what about sky attack?
*looks down*
dammit!
Hahah I'm sorry, don't worry, gen 3 will be riddled with mistakes that i'll leave in just for you :)
before watching my mind went to a few things.
if you can't swap no. but he is letting swapping
next some that to me i imagine will be niche/hard to find
waterfall, pin missle, twin needle and spore.
i mean the bug attacks to me feel rare in some cases.
also conversions from porygon.
Good observations!
No swapping would be an interesting one, I'd be missing a whole lot of moves from gym leaders as it is always their ace that has the TM move.
And definitely, I was convinced I'd be missing waterfall and spore as I don't think I've ever had those moves used against me in gen 1. Turns out it's because I'd never fished for a seaking in cerulean in a casual playthrough :D
VIDEO IDEA: Can you use all moves using Metronome?
or
How fast can you use all moves in Gen 1 using Metronome?
Haha how fast can I hold down the A button :D although I think there are some moves that metronome can't use (like mimic) so we might be waiting a while!
@@kangaskdan lol ok
I think it'd be cool to see this for gen 2, or maybe with Smeargle?
Me too! Although smeargle would be more time-consuming... which means people would probably prefer me to do that one :D It would also have more of a gen 2 flavour... damn
I’m bringing w00t back.
W00t w00t!
You can also put these moves on a pokemon, encounter a wild Ditto, wait for it to transform (and get your moveset), then switch into your own Ditto (getting your own moveset back), and then use them. At least I think that'll work?
Yehh that's what people seem to be implying! So I guess I could have done it all with one ditto (and my sneaky team of 6 at the end), at least ditto would have been the one using all the moves. Oh well il know for next time :)
Did I miss Waterfall?
7:06 :)
@@kangaskdan 😅😅
10:12 if youre willing to stretch the rules a little bit (which i imagine you are considering you brought new team members in to finish off the remaining moves), technically you could still use all the moves specifically as Ditto by making a wild Ditto transform into these newly introduced team members then making your Ditto transform into the wild one, right? it still wouldnt be "with *JUST* a ditto", keyword "just", but youd still be able to say "with a ditto"
Yehh definitely :D I wish I'd thought of it at the time!
I'll be sure to keep it in mind for gen 2 :)
Yooooooo anotha one!
2 videos in one year! I must be feeling ambitious :D
Nicely done. I always thought there was a trainer with a lickitung that knew cut near the power plant in gen 1, might be wrong though. And the champions pigeot in R/B knows sky attack. Only pokemon with that move (aside from Moltres who learns it via level up).
Oh god are you serious?! Damn :D I should consult with you before I ever post a video!
Oh well at least my min team count is the same, just wrong number of unused moves :p doh
@kangaskdan the trainer is one you never really think of. Cause nobody goes to the power plant lol (unless it's to catch zapdos).
@DwunD016 I found the awkward piece of code where sky attack gets shoved in. The swine, setting me up for failure :D I haven't found any sneaky Cut additions yet though, il pop over to the power plant later and check it out :)
can't you get a pokemon with those moves, get a wild ditto to copy the pokemon, and get your ditto to copy the wild ditto?
That is a great shout! I didn't know if there were some rules about transforming into a transformed pokemon, but I'll definitely check this out. I would probably still keep the final result the same, but this would be an interesting way to get the last few on the board :) I'll keep this in mind for gen 2!
Gen 1 is the only gen which allows transforming into a transformed target, so it would work. (Future gens make it fail if you try, to prevent a softlock where your Ditto and their Ditto keep transforming into each other and can never run out of PP.)
5:30 ♡
Thank you so much Manny Metronome, great name too :D
Il be naming the metronome user in "all moves gen 3" after you :)
@@kangaskdan thank you and THANK YOU i can't wait to see it! ❤️❤️❤️
Can't you let a wild ditto transform into your pokemon that knows one of the moves you couldn't get, then switch to your ditto and let it transform into the wild transformed ditto if that is possible
Immensely fucked up there's no way to see an opponent use Rock Slide in Red and Blue unless it's via Metronome
Right!! Or you fight a ditto with a Pokémon that has rock slide on it's learnset..
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