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True! But I wanted to use this episode to go into detail about the glitch which gens 2 and 3 don't suffer from :) il do a special one for gen 2 cus those gyms also give type boosts which is pretty unique!

Yep that's right! In the same participants/non-participants split as regular exp :)

You're welcome! :)

Aw thanks! I'm so glad you think so!

Yehh definitely :D I wish I'd thought of it at the time! I'll be sure to keep it in mind for gen 2 :)

Hahah that's great! Everyone's onboard with the sweep until it's them that's being swept :D

​@@kangaskdan exactly! I do have a bit of a follow up. So, obviously it has been a long time since I did this (Gen3 era) and my original collection got stolen, but I was wondering (especially with the VC versions of gen1&2) will they keep those increased stats? Because I feel like I remember having Mewtwo at something well over 400 in atleast ones of the stats. Basically my question is two part 1) is there actually a cap for those increased stats 2) would they keep those potentially insane values if sent up to Bank, then HOME, etc?

@PwnyOps I wish I knew the answer! I haven't had any experience with Home or Bank so I don't know how they store the stats! But surely if they are set up to accept gen 1/2 Pokémon, then they'll preserve the stat exp, the same way you'd expect them to preserve the EVs of a gen3+ Pokémon :) If you find out, let me know :D

@@kangaskdan will do, for science (and MATH) So, does that also mean you don't know if there is a cap to the amount your stats can grow when done that way?

The only caps I know about are the statexp caps in gen 1 and 2, so if you maxed out all statexp for all stats, your stats won't be able to be increased further (out of battle) :)

Right!! Or you fight a ditto with a Pokémon that has rock slide on it's learnset..

Thank you so much Manny Metronome, great name too :D Il be naming the metronome user in "all moves gen 3" after you :)

@@kangaskdan thank you and THANK YOU i can't wait to see it! ❤️❤️❤️

Yehh that's what people seem to be implying! So I guess I could have done it all with one ditto (and my sneaky team of 6 at the end), at least ditto would have been the one using all the moves. Oh well il know for next time :)

Yup exactly!! If only I could see these comments before I post the video :D well you've all given me great ideas for gen 2 at least!!

Me too! Although smeargle would be more time-consuming... which means people would probably prefer me to do that one :D It would also have more of a gen 2 flavour... damn

Haha how fast can I hold down the A button :D although I think there are some moves that metronome can't use (like mimic) so we might be waiting a while!

@@kangaskdan lol ok

Yehh i was surprised too! My times playing gen 1 I always felt like the enemy uses leer and sand-attack and that's about it :D

7:06 :)

​@@kangaskdan 😅😅

Hahah! Took me a second to work out what you were on about :D That is the height of maths/pokemon humour, very well done :)

It's a fair point, but I thought using breeding in that way would be a bit of a slippery slope... I didn't want to come out with a final team of 10 pokemon needed to use all moves, ignoring the fact that I had to catch 49 to get the moves and breed them into the eggs. So I try to say levelup and tm learnset up top so I'm not tempted to try and sneakily reduce the number using other mechanics in the game :) Although I'll be changing that intro to add "and tutor moves" for gen 3!

Hahah I'm sorry, don't worry, gen 3 will be riddled with mistakes that i'll leave in just for you :)

Good observations! No swapping would be an interesting one, I'd be missing a whole lot of moves from gym leaders as it is always their ace that has the TM move. And definitely, I was convinced I'd be missing waterfall and spore as I don't think I've ever had those moves used against me in gen 1. Turns out it's because I'd never fished for a seaking in cerulean in a casual playthrough :D

Thanks Batel! The battling with a friend is a great idea! I knew I wanted to use the last few moves somehow, I was thinking maybe adding a trainer into the game with those pokemon for me to copy off, but then I thought this whole ditto question came from the minimum team video, so it'd make sense to show the new minimum team if we let ditto do his thing :D But i'll definitely be stealing the link cable battle idea for future! :D

@@kangaskdan Basically Ditto is carrying the team,when it comes to minimum amount of pokemon that you'll need to use up all of these moves. 😁 And go for it! If you'll ever need a hand with some footage for the cable link battle, I don't mind helping out .😊

A Mewt point* Yeh all good ideas, I stuck with the ditto approach cus it made the run feel at least semi-legitimate (ignoring the fact that I got it as a starter pokemon :D)

That is a great shout! I didn't know if there were some rules about transforming into a transformed pokemon, but I'll definitely check this out. I would probably still keep the final result the same, but this would be an interesting way to get the last few on the board :) I'll keep this in mind for gen 2!

Gen 1 is the only gen which allows transforming into a transformed target, so it would work. (Future gens make it fail if you try, to prevent a softlock where your Ditto and their Ditto keep transforming into each other and can never run out of PP.)

Great idea! I need to see if it's allowed, I thought maybe there was some limitation about transforming into a pokemon that has transformed, but I'll see if it works :D I'd probably have to say my minimum team count required is "1*", *as the full party of remaining-move-having pokemon would still be required to be transformed into :)

@@kangaskdanin gen 1 you can transform multiple times, that’s how shiny hunters can get a shiny ditto for breeding in gen 2. Doing a double transform may turn mew into a ditto permanently, I don’t remember if it does that to mons you already own or not. But if you cheat in a wild mew and it transforms twice, when you catch it, it’ll be a ditto

@rickytickybobbywobbin7430 that's bonkers! Gen 1 is the gift that keeps giving :D

Thanks Rob!! :)

Thanks mate!!

W00t w00t!

Haha maybe with an endless army of smeargles. Ditto is much more reusable:)

Everyone make sure to SMASH that Like Button though! And bring on Gen 3 all moves!

Dude! I was typing my angry ackchyually comment already, you ruined it.

@Voliharmin haha no one is more angry about this than I am :D

@Voliharmin damn lol. Well, ill let you get the next one.

Have no fear both, there will definitely be a next one. I'm gonna be sweating bullets before posting the gen 3 vid

Haha great question! I think 16 should be plenty, 10 moves each assuming you get them all at level 5 :) And spoiler alert, we might not need a 17th to get us all the way to 165 cus of some annoying missing moves :D

​@@kangaskdanWith a transforming smeargle you could make that number much lower, right?

Metronome

​@dragonslayerz2220 I mean, technically a smeargle with transform can learn all moves, just not in one battle

@@dragonslayerz2220 can you Sketch transform?

2 videos in one year! I must be feeling ambitious :D

Nicely done. I always thought there was a trainer with a lickitung that knew cut near the power plant in gen 1, might be wrong though. And the champions pigeot in R/B knows sky attack. Only pokemon with that move (aside from Moltres who learns it via level up).

Oh god are you serious?! Damn :D I should consult with you before I ever post a video! Oh well at least my min team count is the same, just wrong number of unused moves :p doh

@kangaskdan the trainer is one you never really think of. Cause nobody goes to the power plant lol (unless it's to catch zapdos).

@DwunD016 I found the awkward piece of code where sky attack gets shoved in. The swine, setting me up for failure :D I haven't found any sneaky Cut additions yet though, il pop over to the power plant later and check it out :)

Thanks! Well you may have figured out why there's a question mark in the video title :D Damn elusive porygons!

Yehh I agree, I guess they wanted an extra layer of strategy, but I'd rather just fight everything forever and have the most powerful possible version of a pokemon that I could have :D

Thanks so much Luke!! :)

That's a great shout! I'll definitely do something like this if I end up with thousands of options again :D Only issue is, something tells me unobtainable jirachi is still gonna have to be on the list, for a move I've never heard of, doom desire!

@@kangaskdanyou can get it… it just costs like 200 dollars for Pokemon box ruby and sapphire, + a gamecube

I've learnt about that since posting the video :) not sure what would take me more time though, riding around on my bike whilst watching UA-cam, or battling through a bunch of elite 4 stadium 2 runs :)

Thanks for the comment! And the feedback :) That's fair! I do need to get better at matching the video to the audio. It's hard when tackle, string shot, harden, flash, takes 3 seconds to say, and 10 seconds to show up on screen :D Il have a think about the nicknames for gen 3, or il have a think about my script :) At least for the next video it'll be easy to follow, ditto ditto ditto!

Thanks so much! I enjoy seeing the numbers go up too 😁

Good point! I just had the Pokémon art already and couldn't be bothered to upgrade/downgrade for the videos :D it's too late for ditto gen 1 but maybe il have it ready for ditto gen 2 :)

Thanks for the kind words! To answer your questions: 1. I have no idea! When I'm making these I normally use the disassemblies to make sure the calculations and assumptions that places like Bulbapedia makes, which is how I found the Bulbapedia mistake in the Experience video :) I'll add a gen 2 breeding guide to the list of pokemaths, so eventually you might be able to find a complete guide here! 2. Thankfully in gens 1 + 2 you don't have to be fussy with statexp training, defeating 100 wild sentret in the first route would give you an extra 20,500 statexp, distributed across your stats. Defeating Will's Xatu 41 times would give you about the same. If you don't care about the level of your pokemon and just want the most statexp the fastest possible way, then E4 + Red is your best shout because typically those are the trainers with the highest base stat pokemon. If you have no time constraints, or are trying to keep below a certain level, defeating the lowest level pokemon you can find, over and over again is the best bet :) With either approach you'll still end up with a max statexp pokemon eventually! 3. Yeh you've hit the nail on the head with those approaches unfortunately. Either catch a fresh pokemon, make a note that it's statexp is 0, then manually jot down everything you defeat, and you'll have a constant tally of the stat exp. Or like you said, keep grinding til the stats dont change when you go in/out of the PC, that way you know youve hit max stat exp for all stats. Or you can use the stat formula to estimate what your statexp might be, but to do that you'd need to know the DVs too which is a whole other issue! The easiest way possible is to use something like pkHex, but not very useful if you're playing on a physical device!!

@@kangaskdan Thank you for the detailed response! It basically confirms everything I was thinking. Hope to see more videos like this from you in the future!

Thank you!! :)

So I've heard! The issue is with the 6 starters all having signatures, I'm going to be playing a lot of FRLG/RSE :D I'm hoping people forgive me if I ignore the fact that XD/Colosseum exist :) they'll get an honourable mention in the end (and maybe their own video in the future!)

@@kangaskdan oooh, very fair lol

Maybe not smeargle herself, but definitely using moves like sketch metronome transform mimic mirror move, to get moves that aren't on the users level up or TM/HM learnset :)

"herself" ?

​@@OmaSushi-z7k The smeargle I caught was a lady :)

@@kangaskdan Ok, I see, thanks.

I can't stand my voice at 1x or 1.25x speed, I think 0.75x would kill me :D Thanks for the comment!

Haha I've started the research for gen 3 and it really feels like everything is a signature move, I'm predicting I'm going to not have very many options to consider when I'm choosing my team :D gotta get all 6 starters, gotta get the mythicals, gotta get the snake and the mongoose, gotta....

Oh god, if you have gen 3 spoilers, now is the time 😁 I've already researched volt tackle, and that pretty much every legendary and mythical has a signature, which should be fun 😂

​@@kangaskdan Ah, Volt Tackle is a fun secret. Have fun getting all the legendaries, especially Jirachi without brazen cheating. But have you considered Shadow moves? Since both Colosseum and XD battles work the same as in the main games, I would say they count. A casual playthrough of XD could help with getting rare Pokémon - mainly Lugia knowing Psycho Boost which eliminates needing Deoxys. You can then freely trade the mons with the rest of Gen III games. Also, some moves change even within the same generation. Usually, it is only a slight change in PP or accuracy but Shadow Rush changes quite a bit so it would be cool to showcase it in Colosseum as well if you do choose to include the Shadow moves.

With the way I create my minimum team to use all moves, using the Pokémon disassemblies I'm thinking il want to try and keep this purely in the GBA games, it'll mean a little bit of brazen cheating here and there, but at least il be confident in my answer :D One day il be brave enough to venture into the other games, I hear good things about Colosseum!

Yehh that's not something I knew about until a few people commented about it on this one :D But oof, if I'm going for the easiest option, quickly trading 2 Pokémon from 2 red saves seemed a lot easier than multiple runs through stadium 2 :D Although it would technically make this more of a gen 2 only challenge (minus squirtle and moltres :D )