Before seeing her with it painted on I legit thought she had a round face without any prominent jawline. It’s crazy how drastic of a difference the tattoo was to her actual jawline.
For or against black out tattoos, I could instantly tell hers wasn't right, it's not like she says where only she notices, you can clearly tell it's like a scarf or sweater pulled up too high. Like she said, those couple centimeters change absolutely everything.
@@Frog-tl6xnno, she wanted it under the chin, the artist may have accidentally gone up to high,also, as she said, it's hard to tell untill it's blacked out, and, she didn't slander the artist, she said multiple times it's wasn't the artists fault, it was her own, so I don't even know what your talking about- I am in no way mad at the artist tho, she may have just not been paying attention and went to high, but whatever, we don't know
@@ChaoticWatcher I saw the artists side too, you didn’t even know the artist wasn’t a “she” lol I understand she wanted it lower but the artist can’t read minds and she didn’t reach out after. She just posted a video and didn’t clarify until the next video it wasn’t their fault after the artist had already been harassed relentlessly and tried to reach out asking how to help. She was heart reacting all the comments blaming the artist
As a man who has had to shave a beard line i can tell you even a cm off the jawline DRASTICALLY changes the shape of your face. Man I really feel bad for her because I can totally see exactly what she is seeing. She is trying to be ok with something she is not. Laser is her only option and that option is totally feasible as it is only a smidge that needs to be lasered and then lined back up with the ink.
I normally have a lot of empathy. But she should have specified where on her jawline she wanted the ink to start, since she knew exactly where it's supposed to go. And also while she was being tattooed she should have felt where it was starting and said something to the Artist.
@@LeukickFrom this videos I learned that some people while already feeling they don’t like it feel like that they can stop in the middle of the process. Like they feel bad about saying no, which is ridiculous, it’s your skin in the end.
@@TDdelta777if you teach your children how to control their lives with their speech and their actions? Your comment had me thinking how many parents never told their children how to tell someone “ NO!”. It’s almost the first word your child learns. Human need to stop teaching their children to stop saying “ no”. Saying no can save your life. It can stop pain. We need to teach them when it’s ok to say yes. My parents taught me to say no until I want to say yes. No is the default.
A “bad” blacked out neck placement is like walking around for the rest of your life with really bad contouring. A good placement can do the exact opposite, it can create a gorgeous profile and really accentuate a face shape.
You perfectly voiced my opinion on blackout work especially in immediately visible areas. The placement and shape should work in harmony with someone's features.
if I was her, I would not want to be alive anymore. The thought of having to walk around without a jawline and bad contouring would make everything awful. I would just crawl up into a ball and wait until I starved to death. Imagine feeling beautiful for your whole life and then one day you wake up and see yourself as unattractive and not confident, knowing you can't do anything to change it.
@@aspenisthebest She is still beautiful! I understand how it could feel devastating for someone who experienced this, but while there are no perfect solutions, laser can lighten it. And maybe she could get other tattoos to help disguise that area. Regardless, physical appearance is hardly the extent of a person's value! People who experience any kind of disfigurement still have skills & talents, thoughts & ideas, & are still loved. I can't imagine turning away from a family member or friend just because they suddenly look different.
The second black out tat was GORGEOUS! It was done well, and fits her overall aesthetic tremendously. Now with the first girl, I feel SOOO bad for her. Even the stencil work was drawn lower than the actual execution. She's being waaay too nice on that artist. The artist didn't even follow her own stencil work - so yes, she is at fault. I noticed someone suggested she "loose weight". That's not even the case necessarily here. In her own sketches and even in the stencil by the artist, her jawline was simply just lower and very visible. So sure, losing weight could make her face more chiseled, but that artist still went too high on her face. Period. I wouldn't even know where to begin correcting this. Poor girl... I hope she's able to come to terms with it.
The line gives me the vibe of the tattoo artist accidentally went over the line and then had to over-correct by making the line higher up 🙈 but idk that's not even possible for tattoos..
You can sculpt the jaw if the blackout goes too high with laser I saw michela bottin did a video when theirs was too high and they said that they didn't like how it changed their face shape and they got some laser and it does look way better now - there is a video on youtube about this but I don't remember where
I feel so bad for the first girl. She seems like nicest person. I know I've approved of tattoo placements before and thought it was all good until I got home or even a few days later. The adrenaline is real. And it's hard to tell an artist you have a problem with something they did
I haven’t gotten tattoos only piercings but I’ve gotten really short bangs and that was the first time I have ever just really didn’t like a cosmetic change. It was really brutal at first. The only thing that calmed me was that hair grows back.
@@tanitaharris7211 Exactly! Hair grows back. I really don't get the blackout of the neck thing. I remember years ago when everyone had a barbed wire tattoo on their upper arm, All that means is that in 20 years the nursing homes will be filled with people with scrawny wrinkly arms with barbed wire tattoos. Can you imagine what a blackout neck will look like when you're 60 and your neck is wrinkled ? People don't think about this, I guess but a neck tattoo will only look good until you're about 40 if that.
@@Kiki-vc1xo Of course it will, lol, if I live that long. I have an incurable degenerative muscle disease and doubt I'll see 60. But if I do, I'll be wrinkly. Almost everyone will be. That's exactly my point. A tattoo that might look great on smooth tight skin, like this black neck tattoo, will look very different when your neck is all wrinkly, and has a bunch of horizontal lines across it. It will look even worse if you develop a turkey neck, jowls or a double chin. If that girl is having such a problem dealing with how the tattoo has changed the appearance of the shape of her face, wait until her jawline isn't nice and taut like it is. Because her neck will be so much darker , if she develops jowls as she ages or the skin of her jawline is sagging, it's going to look way more pronounced than it normally would Because of the color difference and the fact that her neck will look like it's in shadow, she runs the risk of looking like a bulldog. I'm not trying to knock tattoos. I'm trying to say, as someone who worked in an extended care facility, I've seen many tattoos on old people. Depending on the type of tattoo, and where it is located, some will age well ( meaning still look decent when you're old), and some will definitely not. Before I got a tattoo that radical, I think I'd paint one on a 60 or 65 year old woman to see the effect. Then you'll see what I'm talking about.
When it comes to neck black outs, I would say it’s probably safest to start out with the line a little lower on the neck/jawline. The artist can always add more/move the line up a little higher if you don’t like it. You can always add more but you can’t take away 🤷♀️
I think it's crazy that checking the Stencil isn't standard. I got a tattoo from a Spanish Lady in the middle of Falon NV and she put the stencil on slanted. I felt bad but told her I liked the design but not the slant. She washed my arm off re did the stencil and took a smoke break. Then came in and gave me my favorite tattoo of them all. I was lucky af because I went by myself with no one coaching me up.
I didn’t get black work tattoos but it wasn’t until I saw the difference between ones that were done correctly and ones that were done badly where I changed my mind. The conclusion I came to is It’s not even about understanding it it’s about just letting people do what they want with their bodies this is clearly an art style people love and that should be respected
I never really understood the idea behind black out tattoos but when they are done right wow can they look good. It really is a bold tattoo to get. I love the ones that have a white ink design over them they look so good. To each their own though I’m sure I have a few tattoos that other people don’t like but meh fuck em.
As a tattoo artist (9+yrs certified work experience- 20yrs art experience) this is 100% the artists fault. What the hell I feel awful about this 😢if I ever did this (obv I would never, but hypothetically) to someone I would do whatever I could to fix it. She should have took a minute to double check it, but I’d at least ask her myself to check again or wait a minute and tell her that it looks the way it did before permanently altering her body.
Yes, this is what I was thinking! Like it's understandable for the client to be excited and rush through things but the artist should slow her down. Considering it's such a visible tattoo too, why *wouldn't* she triple check that it's exactly matching what the client wanted? It's so unfortunate cause the lines the client drew looked so flattering on her. Anyway I'm glad there's experienced artists like you who would do it the right way😭
@@78cottoncandy Exactly!! There was so much responsibility on both parts that was just completely thrown out the window here, but as a professional, it’s ultimately our job to square things away since it’s *literally our job.* I’m not saying she herself didn’t screw up, but two wrongs don’t make a right, and if you were to order raw chicken or something from a chef, and that chef didn’t pull you aside for a minute to make sure you actually knew you ordered raw chicken and let you know how absolutely batshit insane that is, then that’s not a professional thing to do!
Yep! It’s an artists job to slow things down and be professional. It’s unfair to expect a client have enough knowledge to properly imagine how the tattoo will look. Rushing through any stage of tattooing will result in a bad tattoo
@@Algae555 you know it! If that were not the case, then why tf would there be so many classes and certs/licenses required to even hold that job lol. Some people are really ignorant and then when they’re forced to deal with the consequences of such ignorance, it’s the end of the world and suddenly they’re “the victim” when in reality the only thing they’re a victim of is their own ignorance and conscientious obliviousness/incompetence 🤣
I don’t have any tattoos and currently don’t want any but I do think the black outs really suit some people. I feel sad for the first girl that didn’t get what she wanted and hope that it can be fixed 🤞🏼
I always leave my clients alone with their stencil as to let them freely judge it without me looking behind their shoulders, I do agree more tattoo artists should be incorporating this into their routine! :)
wow that’s so nice! the only tattoo i kind regret is the one that the tattoo artist was kind in a hurry and i felt pressure to accept the stencil placement as it was
I love this, but I also like having the artist as a second pair of eyes on the placement. My last tattoo, the artist was so patient in getting the placement PERFECT and we did the stencil a few times. She had me position my arm at different angles, stand far away from the mirror as well as close to it, etc and it was nice to have that guidance from someone who knows more about tattooing
@Gwyn Peters we weren't saying that the artist wouldn't do that anymore. It's that they should still do all that, still get the stencil just right and then send you away to sit with it by yourself to make SURE you like it. It also gives the client a moment to build the courage to say something if they want something changed. Of course the artists eye is 100% needed and probably better at picking up small stuff than the client because that is their job ahah. I have an anxiety disorder. I went to an artist and asked before hand if they would stencil on my friends design that I paid for and tattoo that and they agreed. When I got there they started to free hand a sketch onto my leg. I DID say something and they pushed my concern away saying it was a simple design and it was fine. Well it wasn't fine and now I have a version of my friends art piece that looks a lot different. If he gave me the chance to sit alone with his bad sketch, I would have been more likely to gain to the courage TELL him "you agreed to the stencil. It's that or I leave"
I don’t have a single tattoo, but my heart breaks for her. I can’t imagine the hate. My first thought is “Why didn’t she paint it on?” but she DID! Who among us hasn’t made a well thought out decision that they turned out to regret? I sure know I have!
The problem is society glorifies bad decisions like it’s cool, and when a person disapproves of all these stupid trends they are mocked and seen as out dated, when really it would be wise to listen.
@@notyourtypicalcomment2399 critical thinking vs stupid decisions. Yes with your mindset stupid decisions sure is good evidence. You can be someone with critically thinking and get tattoos. You can also be super impulsive and make stupid decisions. What you are saying seems like regurgetation from what youve known all your life but not what youve seen or experienced. I might be wrong but i just feel like youd notice that you can be someone who thouroughly thinks things thru, plans, prepares, research. Not all is black n white. Your mindset doesnt sound old school or like something to mock. More like I wonder what would happen if you actually met people who have critical thinking and get tattoos i wonder if you would just continue to have the same thinking or if youd see the other perspective even if you didnt really agree with the idea of tattos which is different from your opinions on people with tattoos
@NotYourTypicalComment You're literally fighting your own made up thoughts because who said what homegirl did was a good idea??😂 you sound like an old timey geezer droning on about what "the young people" are up to. Perhaps don't fill your free time with content full of people you don't like and you'd be happier.
This is precisely the reason why I am not getting a tattoo. I would be just the same way, I'd hate how it turned out because of some minor detail that the artist or I overlooked, and then it would not be what I had imagined.
I feel like some tattoos are riskier than others though. I’m a dude, so below the neck, above the knee, and above the elbow seem pretty safe. Neck/face? Full blackout? VERY high risk
Yeah having a black out neck tattoo that doesn't line up with your jawline, forever altering your face shape is alot different than getting a small easily coverable tattoo that you stop liking over time tho lol. Like, not really even comparable.
My dad is a tattoo artisit and i wanted to say, your point about walking away and letting the client examine the stensil is amazing. My dad's a smoker so he'll always do the stencil, and them go out for a smoke break, in that time the client can have a good look at it and really make a decision about if they love it.
I really like that, also it's a pretty casual way of giving them time alone. Like even if someone were to step out of the room, for me personally, I'd feel anxious about taking too long to look because I'd be paranoid I'm wasting the artist's time. If they're out on a break (smoke or otherwise) on their own time, I feel even less pressure to hurry and make a decision. I'm probably not the only one with hideously bad anxiety so...
Totally agree. I got a large leg tattoo recently - almost twice as big as I'd originally planned! My TA allowed me to try different stencils and gave me space to look at each of them in order to make sure I was 100% happy with the one I chose. It should be standard practice really.
@@babowasalwayshere Totally, he says his smoke breaks are actually really helpful for his clients, especially since he stops every couple hours to smoke so they can stop and relax from the pain for a bit every so often
For anyone who wants this, I would honestly recommend spending a month or two walking around with black face/body paint on the same area you want tattooed. This allows you to 1) see if you genuinely like the look long term 2) figure out the exact placement and shape you want for it by experimenting 3) have several images with various angles and lighting to show your artist regarding the placement you decide on
The second girl's neck tattoo has single handedly changed my opinion on these tattoos from borderline-negative to positive. It is just stunning, perfectly shaped.
@@h0ojn-c1j Yeah, I think it's mostly that. Her chiseled facial features are what makes it work. I don't want to say that the first woman wasn't pretty, I have a really similar bone structure, but I don't think highlighting a softer contoured face is particularily flattering. Of course the tattoo being placed properly would have helped but at least from my aesthetic lense (trained make up artist), it makes sense most with angular faces.
People who aren't into tattoos commenting on tattoo tiktoks are always so unexpectedly cruel. I know the general public doesn't really care for them but its interesting seeing how much people actually judge those with tattoos Edit: thank you to all the people in the comments who are proving my point by getting unreasonably pressed about someone's personal choice
I've seen the most beautiful realism works and expertly done with comments tearing it to shreds because it happened to be a big piece, it's funny seeing how much people actually dislike tattoos
@@Iotuseater You have to know your audience. if you are an artist, it might work out. if you work in a skilled profession you are going to have issues.
@@grbenway well of course, but i was talking about people shitting on a well done tattoo without knowing anything about the person getting tattooed. Just the choice to get one.
I think TikTok users think they exists within a vacuum, or tiktok itself is echo-chamber only echoing the worst out of everyone. This kind of environment started with sarcasm and jokes but it just keeps escalating. Anyway most ppl Irl don’t really have an issue with tattoos anymore I think it’s only people who have never interacted with it at all/know absolutely nothing and think all of this is new when it’s not. They’re the like super judgemental ones, like always. But I don’t think the hate for tattoos now could out-way the 80s ext. Idk food for thought
I have had a lot of work done starting 28 years ago (im 46 now) & I’ve also had my share of cover ups. It comes with the territory when you’re getting work done young. What I will say, is keep everything you get, within areas that can be easily covered with clothing; at least until you’re 30 years old. Yeah, that might seem like an eternity when you’re set on getting something, but things in life change. Circumstances, attitudes, lifestyles & yes, fads..
tattoo removal in that area would probably be super painful too 😬 I couldn't imagine letting an artist do this to me, I don't think I'd ever find any artist I trust enough to do that.
It is not that bad on your face or neck at the sides, however the median / center line of your face is torture. I've had lots of laser hair removal, 20 treatments. See for yourself, scratch the corner of your jaw, then scratch the center of your upper lip. It's night and day.
One of my step uncles was a tattoo artist before getting a chronic illness that makes his hands shake, now he can't be. He would always make people look at the stencil on their skin too like you did. He said, this is forever so you want to make sure you like where it will be and look forever.
I have so much empathy for her, Im not tattooed but I did get an elective surgery and the results were not what I expected. It’s so hard not recognising the person in the mirror
On a MUCH lighter note, I’ve experienced that when I’ve cut or dyed my hair and I was so relieved to know it would grow/fade. I can’t imagine not recognizing myself and knowing that it may never change and I may never look like “me” again.
Tattoo regret is so real. I totally understand being excited and then not realizing till after that there was a mistake or a mishap. I recently got a tattoo, loved the placement, loved the stencil, approved everything but once i got home i then realized how crooked it looks as i moved my arm around....i hated it so much, i did so much research on how to remove it but eventually just left it alone and now i get so many compliments on it. Everyone loves it but me lol
Omg yes the same thing happened to me but I got a butterfly so you def tell one wing is different when I move it lift my arm around. It sucks that I didn’t pay as much attention to the detail as I should’ve but the excitement of it all really blurs your vision.
OMG I have a tattoo just like that! !! I was super psyched when I was getting it ( of course lol) and the stencil looked great but then it came out wayyyy too dark and sorta too big. I still like it but it’s not great and it’s taking up prime real estate! Get a lotta complements on it tho haha
I have a tattoo on my calf I was totally psyched. It was a painful and long session. Then ppl at work told me it looked like our boss (it is gaming character, with blonde and short hair just like her). Now I am quite embarassed specially because 95% of the people wont even get the reference. Been considering blacking it out but at the same time I feel bad as it was really well done (plus Im in trousers most of the time anyways)
Same here I have one on my left arm and I hate it so much but I get compliments on it too! Ive been looking into tattoo artists to cover it up/fix it bc I don’t feel comfortable going back to the original artist ;/
That's the reason why I don't have tattoos. As much as I love people sporting them, I change my mind a lot and I don't want to put myself in a situation where I can get doubts or regrets for life.
I just want to express how I appreciate your calmness, empathy and gentleness. I love tattoos amd alternative lifestyle connected to them, all my friends are heavyly tattooed (even if I am not). I watch and rewatch your vids because they are always very interesting and I totally love how you treat the issues, even if they are about mistakes and rude comments about them. Keep going on with your career, you are doing a great job!
@@KittyxKult She couldn't have stressed enough how it was not the artist's fault. She said it multiple times. She's allowed to share about it. She said she approved the stencil and was excited about it. Everything your witness apparently said. If people are taking it upon themselves to blame the artist anyway, that's on those individuals. She's allowed to "go to the internet for attention", it's not an attack. The internet is here for all of us, she just shared her story. You're aiming so much hate at this girl to defend your artist when she didn't say one bad word about them and took full responsibility. You called her a creature in the same breath you're saying the artist shouldn't be receiving hate and being called names.
@@machofromnyc43 I'm sorry but you can't say it's applied correctly when even the stencil shows it closer to how it should be. There's two rules with a neck tattoo. Under the jaw, behind the ear. That is how it's supposed to be applied.
@@kellylyons1038 no she’s actually a piece of garbage who perpetuated racism by slandering her tattoo artist with lies, only to double back and say “it’s not the artists fault” in the second video after people were already sending death threats to the artist, locally we all can’t stand her lol
As a tattooer, this is why I always encourage my clients to double check the stencil and to please tell me if they want to change anything. I also pay attention to body language and if they hesitate for a SECOND I ask them to tell me what they’re thinking. Especially with like throat and hand tattoos I ask them very specific questions about how they like it to kind of make them think about it more since it is so visible. I really feel bad for the first girl, that’s going to be so difficult to correct 😞
I mean what if even after double checking they say yes but still regret it? I am not a tattooer but I’ve decorated cakes before. I would have them triple check the colors and design and when they would pick it up sometimes they would say “this isn’t what I wanted I wanted it to have (more flowers/brighter colors/etc.) even after they signed a paper confirming it’s exactly what they wanted. Even showed them pictures too!! so I am curious if one of your clients got the a-okay from you after all that but still regretted it would it be your fault or theirs?
@@RaspBerryPies I see what you’re saying, but I wouldn’t want to place the blame on anyone per se. Even I’ve gotten a tattoo in a location I later came to regret and have since had covered, but at the time I loved it and was so excited for it. I actually loved it for years before I decided to cover it because it was after getting more tattoos that I realized I didn’t like where I put it. I didn’t blame the artist for that. I didn’t blame myself either, because to fault someone is to imply intention or that they did something wrong. Typically nobody intends for these things to happen. It’s just an unfortunate situation. If the artist did everything in their power to make the client comfortable and the client consented happily, then nobody did anything wrong. Everyone was playing their part. If the client later comes to regret it, it’s unfortunate, but it happens. All anyone can do is try their best, but mistakes happen. This specific scenario is touchy because I wasn’t there, I didn’t see what the artist did, so I can’t say for certain what happened. I do know the client is being very respectful, and my heart goes out to her, because that’s never an easy situation to be in. I hope that answers your question! ❤️
@@nordette the only thing I can think of would be to fade some opaque grey on top of that black edge on her jaw to soften that line so that it’s not as harsh. It will still make her face shape look different, but I think softening it up would help.
I've always wanted a blackout tattoo on my neck, but I'm too afraid because it's permanent. It's so cool to see someone achieving the same look with makeup.
I had a similar response to a switch blade tattoo on my chest. Originally I wanted it on my thigh but the tattoo artist convinced me to change the spot so it wouldn't wrap. After I got it, I hated it and it threw me into an existential crisis. I didn't identify with having such a hard tattoo as a center piece. Also the knife seemed a little off center, which drove me crazy. 10 years later, it's one of my favorite tattoos.
@@Givebackthescarf no doubt--but it's still possible for this girl to find peace with her decision and the tattoo. The projected strength of having tattoos isn't just about the pain you go through to get the tattoo, but the strength that it takes to own your decisions and the resilience you gain from having other people code you in a specific way because of those decisions. If I was this girl, I would laser the edges of the tattoo off and put some decorative stipple shaded mandalas or patterns over the laser treated areas working their way onto her face. She's heavily tattooed now, she might as well embrace it.
sameeee my first tattoo is a snake wrapping around my forearm. i wanted it around my wrist but since it was my first, the artist convinced me getting it on my wrist would hurt too much. (i didn’t even feel any pain when getting it regardless, im on nerve pain meds so i could only feel the vibrations of the tattoo gun not pain) it’s not the best use of “real estate” but it’s thin enough that i still have space on the rest of my arm. it also doesn’t look the “best” bc my skin is weird but touch ups exist and i love it now.
Ya know it took me a loooooong long time to even get into the idea of black out work. Initially I would see a lot of heavily tattooed people getting it done as a cover up. Then a lot of artists getting tattooed over the blackout which looks so sick. I think the problem now is that it’s just an aesthetic and people are getting it done on clean skin. I think if you’re not heavily tattooed you should be really cautious about getting black out work. Especially if it’s in very visible areas like the neck. 🖤
That's fair. I actually wanted a blackout tattoo first but no artist would do it. When I finally got it is was a lot more than I expected. I have heavily considered doing a blackout neck. However, blackout is super intense and tbh there are several other tattoos I want/can get without the level of hell that blackout is. No one really mentions that you have to go over blackout several times. So when I did my arm we had to do it twice (the entire arm) and I've talked to people who said they've done in more. On my hand we've went over 5x but it still just wont stay so I've kind of given up on getting the hand "more perfect."
@@nr9131 nah a good artist will only need to go over it once. MAYBE a touch-up after it heals but that's about it. i have tons of blackwork and i've never even needed a touch up. just do your research and go to someone who has healed blackwork on their profile imo. hope this helps.
@@nr9131 um. You shouldn’t need to go over any tattoo several times. Touch ups are within normal expectations but literally redoing over the whole thing…. That’s… not normal. With your hand, of course you had to redo it over and over. It’s a hand.
Tattoo artist here :) Actually, if you get a super big area blacked out (like an entire arm), IT IS pretty normal to redo big parts of the piece. There is a lot of movement near the wrist and elbow. The entire skin of the arm is constantly stretching and moving - when you use your hand, change how you sit, get (un)dressed, eat... we do so much with our arms! And because of the fact that tattoos like these scab all over, when it peels it is thus more likely that a lot of ink falls out with the scabs. Ofc, there is methods to prevent parts of this (e.g. using changing pads for the first part of the healing process. I'd reccomend this for bigger, colorful pieces, too, bc they prevent thick scabbing). But whenever there is an area where a few spots open up, it is also better to go over the surrounding area again as well so that everything looks smooth and even in the end. There is so much to a well healed tattoo. Some of it is knowing how your body best heals tattoos - this comes with getting tattooed multiple times. But some of it is also how healthy and well rested you are when you get tattooed, the weather conditions during and after (is it hot? do you need to wear thicker fabric that could rub on the tattoo? sunexposure?), how much you need to move the area in the first five days, etc. Tattoo healing is such a big part of a good tattoo and after the tattoo is done, it is off our hands in many areas. That goes for both us artists and the clients as well. Even if everyone involved does their best, the result can still be flawed.
🖤 i’m so happy that you touched on the fact that people get tattoos to make themselves feel better about their body. Body dysmorphia can be so very hard. i have always hated my legs,I lost a bunch of weight and still hated them!! Got them tattooed and now I’m shorts all the time 🤷🏻♀️. I love your videos. 🖤
For those people who dont want their necks blacked out.... no one will make you. If you dont want a tattoo of any kind, again no one will make you....Leave people who do alone. Absolutely no impact on anyone else.
@@mstyles2667Not really. You don't have to give them attention. I'm someone who doesn't like attention seekers, and if they aren't harming anyone or impacting my life, I ignore them. They are not obligated to my time, and I am not obligated to give it to them.
@@mstyles2667 No they don't. Like, just seeing someone doing something isn't making it YOUR business. Especially because in order to be served this content on social media, the algorithm requires you to be interacting with similar content. Meaning, you're seeing things because you are interacting with it, then being angry that you're simply seeing the very things you interact with. You may not LIKE seeing people you don't like, but that's a YOU problem. They have as much right to make content as the people you DO like.
I made it all the way & thank you for all your info. I’m an old lady & don’t understand sometimes why people get radical or “black-out” tattoos… but now I think I do, and it no longer bothers or “worries” me about the person. I appreciate all the calm, caring explanations from you & what the women & you shared! 🖤
I def think that the tattoo industry should take pointers from the permanent makeup industry about making sure that you're happy with it/certain before you go through. So many times the mirror look gets seen as perfunctory rather than a necessary part of the process that you should really think through. I think that most people who get tattoos are fed up of having their choices judged, so they don't even bother to consider that sometimes you really want something but still end up regretting it/wanting small changes.
Culpability is not always black or white. A line was drawn, the client approved it--so clearly she bears some culpability. On the other hand: THE ARTIST SHOULD KNOW WHAT A NECK IS, and she should have enough aesthetic sense not to give her client a beard. Also, if you are going to err in one direction, clearly you should err in the direction of under-doing it rather than over-doing it.
@@crackpiemilkbar2889 not really. many times clients rely on the knowledge of the professional. how many times have you seen an artist talk someone into something a little different because it will work better, and people trust that because they do this professionally.
just because it wasn’t something conventional, doesn’t mean she’s any less deserving of proper tattoo work. i feel for her because there was a specific job she wanted that was placed poorly. she was very mature about it and how she could’ve planned better without sending hate toward the artist. she’s not deserving of hate, it’s an honest mishap. people have gotten much simpler and minor tattoos with poor quality and linework from less qualified artists, but even then they don’t “deserve” to have something important and personal they paid for butchered either just because others dislike it.
Tattoos are great for identifying people who aren't worth your time, like all the dumbasses taking pot shots at the girl unhappy with her blackout tattoo or those who still look down on anyone with any tattoos.
Yeah, look at how people's empathy dissolves as soon as someone is different from them. It makes me more grateful for the fact my parents raised me properly and taught me to be accepting
🖤 I think using tattoos as a way to gain autonomy over a part of your body that you're insecure about is totally valid and empowering! I think people are very quick to say "How insecure do you have to be to get a tattoo like that?" when really the same can be said for the way "non-alternative" people need to bend over backwards to fit what is considered acceptably beautiful. Great video, as always! 😊
@@aly6494 - It's not permanent - You can change them around - You can take them all off - If something feels wrong (irritation and such) you can take them off, it's not stuck inside your body where it can seriously damage you if left unchecked. - They usually don't require another person to have a permanent effect on the largest organ of your body.
It's a very smart choice to make, in my opinion. You've tried and failed to accept a part of your body through other means, so you claim that part of yourself with a permanent mark. It's like a declaration that you are claiming a part of yourself, regardless of how scary or repulsive it is to you. I think it's admirable.
as an alt girly I really appreciate the aesthetic of blackouts and respect the skill it takes to make them / the endurance and commitment to get them. I wouldn't do it for myself but I might do blackout makeup
It doesn't require that much skill. Literally just tattooing a huge area black. Only thing they need to do is make sure it's solid. It's not that impressive.
A great point made by Celle, is to give privacy to the person checking out their stencil. With my most current body, my piercer was very attractive & I was getting my cheeks/dimples pierced. I wish I would have had privacy to make all sorts of funny faces in the mirror to be certain about the placement. I lucked out, placing wise, but I can see the importance of privacy. Mine may be a silly reason, but its still one that could have resulted in a bad piercing on my face.
The second one looks striking and beautiful. What I am wondering is how it will look as she moves into her 50s- necks age so much, even with necklifts, they are really never taught again. Maybe by that time, for her, there will be many better options than we currently have. Again, she looks great and I love the look on her! The third girl is smart to use makeup. She also looks great with it! The first girl's result made me upset for her. Hopefully she can get the upper line lowered with removal. It must be hard to remove solid black? Thanks for the video:)
I feel like if you’re considering this, you should try doing it with body paint/water activated liner or something temporary so you can see what it’ll do to your face shape first And show your artist how you’ve been blacking out your neck so they know where they draw your lines
@@SalviAlmighty I know, I actually wrote the first part of the comment before I had fully watched that portion of the video. I think the idea of looking at the stencil in the mirror alone would’ve maybe helped too. Maybe the swelling will go down and she won’t hate it as much, maybe she could get it lowered with laser. I don’t really blame her nor the artist here, or maybe a little blame to each of them. But I still hope she was able to get the desired look out of it
I think the element of like, depersonalization or not recognizing yourself is really interesting. I don't personally have any blackout tattoos, but when I had top surgery since it was such a major change to my body it was shocking & scary at first. Even though it was a huge relief to get, the healing process was mentally difficult as I struggled to align my image of myself with my new body. Even if done perfectly it can be a difficult adjustment, and i wish people getting this tattoos could be allowed to talk about that struggle without receiving ridiculous amounts of hate
Ug for real. I have that thing where you can't recognize faces and it really stressed me out for awhile because I can't recognize my own face. I've straight up been shown pictures of me and didn't recognize myself. Once I figured oit it actually had a name and was a thing I've been able to cope with it more but still get that occasional spike a stress of not recognizing myself in the mirror. Bodymods definitely took a lot of that stress off for me tbh. So I definitely knew what she was talking about with the results stressing her out. I'll definitely keep that feeling in mind though when I get my top surgery. I wonder if it'll bug me less just because I already have that major disconnect. Only thing that has been able to reel it in has been body mods so maybe it'll be an instant click?
@@misomie For me it wasnt something that bothered me really, it was just a little tricky to adjust to! In my personal experience top surgery has been an overwhelmingly positive thing for me and even when i had trouble readjusting my mental image, I never felt that I regretted it. I also think I have prosopagnosia to some degree so that might've played into it!
i'm late to the party, but this is a crazy good commentary video. you started with the ~viral craze~ video (while validating, complimenting, and supporting) and then expanded out to people who have done similar things for different reasons with different methods. you took spaceatmidnight's experience and took it from the isolated tiktok vacuum so many people saw it in and placed it in the context of the community and art form as a whole. this is informative, thorough, and above all else, kind. great work :)
I feel for this woman, its not like a coverup is really an option and there's no way removal can get it all out, even with multiple sessions. Plus, the neck would be a gnarly spot for lazer treatment. I hope she finds some form of peace and acceptance about this. Sending so much love and support her way.
I'm glad the first girl admitted that she should have approved it and really went over it meticulously instead of approving it quickly because that's what it really comes down to we have to advocate for ourselves
Tattoo artists however KNOWS this. Ppl come in being excited, in estatic states that can blurr your judgment. (Ur not allowed drunk, not just cause it thinns ur blood..) They do this every day...! Wt a big significant life changing tattoo.... I'm not saying the tattoo artist is at fault (maybe lack experience).. Double check would be good. Letting em approve super quick wt THAT. Atleast EXPLAIN this will NOT enhance her face features (as in t refference photos but she made up her OWN line that'll change the look of her face.) Tattoo artists purpsfully changed t shape of her face. Mention it.. Not everyone understands basic art or can picture hw shadow k. If I black out part of my waist in hour shape I look skinner/hips+×. If I put all black just on top my tits they'll look smaller... Tattoos usually work WITH THE BODY..Not against and altering if that's not specefied and a reasoning. I dunno if I get a cross.. We do have to advocate f ourselves. If ur not in court, have a lawyer who knows more about it since it's they're proffesion guiding u trough ur OWN wtvr..
@@embryonic7692 yeah, it really seems like this is something a more experienced / meticulous artist would have caught on multiple levels. Unlike most large pieces, this is something really easy to "try out" before actually executing. For something so visible and life-changing, they should've at least tried 2-3 different lines to check where the optimal placement would be. If it were me, I'd take photos of her from different angles and edit them to try out different lines. This is super easy/quick in Photoshop. Have her rank those placement options and thinly draw her top 2-3 preferences on her neck/face in marker. Then I'd fill in her neck with marker to the lowest line and have her check it out in the mirror and take some more photos. Then fill the black up to the next line and again have her look it over in the mirror + more photos. Repeat as necessary. Then send her home to live with the temporary blackout and carefully look over the photos before making her decision. Only after all that would I schedule the first session. And even then, still start at the bottom and give her one last chance to stop lower than she'd indicated prior. Perhaps the artist got too caught up in the client's own excitement for the tattoo or the simplicity of the design lulled the artist into complacency, but hopefully the artist learns from this incident and won't repeat this mistake in the future.
The recklessness of tattoo placement and design is just getting worse and worse over time. Thank you for making people awareness of these crazy lapses of judgment!
🖤TLDR: If you struggle with dissassociation or depersonalization, I recommend not getting giant tattoos quickly, even small tattoos can add to the effects. But still get them if you want, just put thought into it, and have some grounding strats. Not an artist, just very experienced in my own mental health issues 😊 Im glad shes able to come to terms with it being slightly different, it shows maturity and that she already was really sure she wanted this tattoo, and that a lot of thought went into it. I personally love blackout tattoos and how they look, but Id NEVER EVER EVER want one on my body. It would just be too drastic of a change. Like I disassociate really easy cause of trauma and with both small tattoos I got, it took me several months to get used to it being there. I love them, and I dont regret them, but I know my initial shock of "this is forever changed" takes an adjustment period thats longer than others have. If I ever get a sleeve, I love sleeves and Id love to have one. Id probably focus on smaller pieces that go well together and it would be a period of years getting it, cause I don't wanna cause a drastic change that causes mental health issues like disassociation/depersonalization. Which I think would be nice for more tattoo people to mention, especially if they've experienced it, cause oh boy was i a shock to me 😂 Especially the first one, I was going through a bad mental health period of EXTREME disassociation, like I didn't recognize myself in the mirror kind of bad, and it kinda added to that. But I still dont regret it, I wanted that tattoo in particular since I was 16, its a sixteenth note on my hand to match my dad's first tattoo, and I got it pretty much right when I turned 18, my aunt even paid for it as a bday present 😊
Omg this explains how I feel so well. I'm not anti tatt or anything I love them on other ppl. But it gives me so much anxiety even tho I WANT one. Its the derealization
There can be so much pressure in the moment when you’re sitting in front of the artist. I love your comment about permanent makeup, the person should be left alone to consider. The artist is at fault. I’m sad for her. J is like so many of these people who are hurting inside and doing these external things feels empowering, but it truly is a testimony to their brokenness.
I do feel for her. My cousin had his neck done in 2012. Goes as a (dotted) gradient from under his jawline, main part of the neck is black, then starts spreading out like roots down the nape of his neck and towards his collarbones. It’s hard to explain - reminds me of a tree, but it looks good after seeing it for years. He had immense regret when getting it done, though. I remember he came around family during the winter after getting it done (Halloween) wearing thick turtleneck sweaters and hoodies. It’s not that family judged him. They may be a southern baptist styled family, but I’ve got cousins with sleeves with many in the family loving them (especially when grandparents are incorporated in them, they love it). It’s just _he_ wasn’t comfortable with it because it did change how he looked - his face looked much slimmer (he was a big guy). It took a minute to get used to seeing him like that because it changed the shape a lot, and he started to look into laser removal a couple years after. It can be a bit of a mindfck, and it took him a couple more years before he finally came to terms with it and started to show it off more. He’s had the rest of his upper body done in a roots-like theme connecting each tattoo design with some of the designs being wrapped in roots. It’s really hard to explain, but as of 2022, he ended up blacking out his wrists in the same design as the neck. I honestly love the blacked out neck look. It’s not something I would ever get, but I genuinely see the appeal for it. Some people can rock it well and kudos to them. I give them major props for sitting there long enough to get a tattoo all over their neck.
I know some tattoo artists that refuse to do this for this reason. Sometimes no matter how bad someone wants something once it enters the face and head territory no matter how good the tattoo is people regret it. You have to be 100 percent dedicated and really research your artist, go to someone who specializes in what you want. Also don’t be afraid to tell someone you don’t like the placement of something, tattoo artists want you to tell them that’s why they ask.
You are the most gorgeous person I've seen on the internet ❤ Love your style. Those eyebrows are true perfection. The neck blackout is a bold move. It looks totally badass, and is pretty hot on some people. I think it looks best on those who have "sharp" lines in their face structure. I am into body modification, so this video was right up my alley. As a Norwegian, I felt a great sense of pride at the mentioning of True Norwegian Black Metal 😂 That used to be my vibe 🖤
I got a half sleeve like two days after I turned 18 by a pretty questionable artist. I was young, naive, and thought I knew everything when I, frankly, did not. After getting it reworked when I was 21, it looked better, but I still just hated it in general and was very ashamed and embarrassed by it. People would ask to see it and I would literally say no. Finally, at 27, I decided I just wanted to black out my whole upper arm. Not necessarily the style I would have picked right away, but didn’t feel I had another option other than cutting my arm off at my shoulder. The artist I spoke to gave me my confidence back, designed a beautiful chrysanthemum piece to completely cover it, and at 29 I’m halfway done with the process and already a million times more comfortable in my skin than I was for the past decade. (Taking a break for now bc I’m 6mos pregnant, and I feel good wearing what is done so far over my previous piece). All that being said, I would have gotten the blackout to cover the monstrosity I loathed for so many years, but I’m very happy to have a piece that better reflects my personal style instead. I adore blackouts, but I don’t believe I would have been as happy as I am with what I decided on. 🖤
Tattoo removal can be way more expensive than a cover-up. At least based off of the research I’ve done. I have 3 tattoos I don’t like (only one I really regret, which I got at 17). I’m planning on getting them covered up, but the one I hate most is the biggest and darkest so I’m not sure if it will even be possible
@@amandak.4246 if the initial piece is quite big, it’s probably almost impossible to remove it Laser removal usually works for small or medium tattoos, and even in these cases it takes a looot of procedures just to make it less bright
This video was recommended by UA-cam. I have no tattoos and don’t plan on getting any but I stayed and subscribed. Love how understanding she is to the people mentioned in the video and addressing any misinformation. 😊
I’m like you. No tattoos. Will never get any. But I like the respect and understanding in this channel. I learn so much about the feelings and the psychology behind tattoos. Because of that I, like you, became a subscriber. Being 60, I still want to know about how younger people think and why they do what they do, whiteout prejudice.
I think the first tattoo could be somewhat corrected with a small triangle of shading coming up from behind the jaw up to the tragus in front of the ear. That little bit of definition would bring the bone structure back. I really hope that after healing and getting used to the look (plus maybe some touch ups) that client feels at peace
Bro I get a bad haircut and have an identity crisis... can't imagine how she must feel. She's actually holding it together quite well, all things considered
2nd tattoo girl was just frustrated and irritable after her marathon tattoo session. I’m no extreme tattoo lover, but the neck blackout actually looks great on her as it accentuates her facial structure beautifully. She was lucky to have gone to a good artist who knew what they were doing.
The only issue I have with the first one is she went straight for a whole neck blackout when her arms still look pretty much bare. She was going to freak out no matter what after it was finished. I don't know why a respectable artist would agree to that on anybody who isn't already HEAVILY tattooed.
Agree. Same with hand tatts. My arms and legs are both visibly heavy tattooed. I still don’t have a neck / face or hand tattoo. And it’s fine if others don’t „wait“ - but it’s the artists responsibility to set this into context.
My first tattoo was the whole inside of my forearm and even that placement, being below the elbow and harder to hide, people were like, ‘you sure?’ Granted it was 15 years ago and tattoos have gotten a lot more common but still, you have a super duper good point!
she could have other tats elsewhere or really done her research but if it was her first then it is kinda negligent especially with the results and the complexity of working with black
Some people say it's old fashioned but I still agree, you shouldn't tattoo someone's neck or face unless they're filled up other places. It's not about elitism, it's about making sure they're really serious about a huge, permanent change to their appearance. That they know what it's like to be perceived differently because of tattoos. And that they have the experience to triple check and get it done exactly how they want it.
I got my lip pierced (verticle medusa) and had to coach myself in the mirror to not get too excited so I KNOW the placement was what I wanted. I needed it to cover a scar from a previous botched medusa and went to a different, more experienced piercer just to make sure he was going to be able to achieve exactly what I wanted. It was so hard to make sure I took my time because my scar had been such a place of insecurity for me but with his help I have the piercing of my dreams. Patience during excitement is so so difficult but equally worth it.
Despite the placement, I think cj mack's tattoo looks stunning because she has a small face and is willing to go lower for the tattoo to end at her chest. Spaceatmidnight's tattoo will look better in the next session where she would probably go lower so that her neck isn't shortened like it currently does
I love that she actually did the floating head photo. She obviously has a great sense of humor. More power to CJ... We should all have the guts to do what we really want to. ❤️
MEASURE TWICE CUT ONCE. Why wouldn't you start from the middle and gradually work up and check at every stage? Sorry but this is just plain dumb. I'm more methodical about my eyeshadow application
@@theewildroseshe literally says in the video that her tattoo is meant to be longer and gradient into the skin on the rest of your body. That first TikTok was posted after only her first session. Reserve the all caps for when have a good point.
I just wanted to say, you have a lovely voice! It's very relaxing. I'll definitely be checking out your channel! Especially if there's more tattoo content ^^
man I feel so hard for the first one… I agree that she has some responsibility in the sense that nobody forced her or pressured her into it, but also the artist definitely bears a part of the blame. an artist should know that people can get really excited and approve a stencil placement too quickly, that they can feel awkward if they’re being observed while checking the placement, or even feel too awkward to voice concerns if they don’t have a minute to compose themselves. I have a few tattoos, nothing as important as a blackout neck, and every time I was encouraged to walk around the studio, go to the bathroom, and really consider the placement before I commit to it. the artist had references for what their client wanted and they failed. the client puts their trust in the tattoo artist and it’s up to them to live up to it. this one didn’t. the client wanted a blackout that would follow their natural jawline, and even though the reference picture didn’t go all the way up to the ear the artist didn’t have to change the line placement to add that border. the stencil didn’t even go that high, and the final product isn’t even symmetrical, like this is just bad for reasons outside of her control. I really hope it looks better after the swelling has gone down, but I don’t think it’s a case of “nobody else notices except you because it’s your own body”… I hope she can get laser or figure out a way to extent that awkward line into a a nice cheek tattoo. I admire her positivity because like what else can you do in that situation but man this sucks. I hope she’s okay.
I can’t imagine having a needle on me and not realizing “hey, maybe the needle is too high this doesn’t feel right” she’s a complete idiot that didn’t think. Notice how she barely has visible tattoos either and still got a whole blackout neck tattoo. Stupid people win stupid prizes. She deserves this.
Michela Bottin has an inked interview where she talks about getting tattooed by the brutal black project and afterward didn't like how her neck came out because the line was too high. She ended up getting it lasered just a bit to frame her face better.
I totally understand the excitement of seeing the stencil and jumping into the tattoo. I don't regret any of my tattoos but I wish I could slightly change the position of a few, nothing anyone would notice unless they're analysing it but since it's on my skin I notice it. My heart goes out to her
i think it’s really important that tattoo artists create an environment where a client can feel comfortable enough to ask to change a stencil. tattoos are a HUGE commitment and feeling pressured into placement or size because you’re too nervous to ask for change absolutely sucks
I think there are a few different things happening that’s contributing to her discomfort. In addition to swelling and line placement, I think the color difference- the ones she did herself is significantly lighter- plays a part. Hers looks like a shadow as opposed to a complete blackout and, even if she had the clearest vision, that may have affected her expectations of the final product. I really hope she likes it once she gets used to the change. She seems like a really cool and sweet person and I think the tattoo suits her.
i wanted black out tats on my arms just above my wrists and ending below my elbow, basically because of intense scarring. i thought about it for a long time and realized i dont want to get something tattooed on me because of a giant insecurity. this video was awesome! it goes to show that everyone is super different and comes from a differnet place
You'd probably see scars through the black because the texture of the skin would be different in those spots. I think other kinds of tattoos would cover them better.
@@BabyJesus66 yeah, i have tatts on my arms not black out but the ink does warp over scars and fades much faster. Better getting lots of pictures or line work because it distracts the eye. I considered black out for my arms and im so glad i went for lots of pictures and line work because the scars are still visible but only people only notice if they grab my arm and look closely at the tatts, then they ask about the scars lol.
watercolour or busy designs are way better when it comes to hifi g scars than just a plain blob of colour, no matter what colour. I have scars on my arms, some from work as a vet tech, some from...other stuff. I have a purple rabbit tattooed on one of my underarms and even though nothing can make the scars disappear, they are far less noticeable than they were before.
It really breaks my heart to see people upset over something on their body permanently, especially something always visible. I get it’s a personal choice and that it’s a risk you take but as someone who has frequented the Reddit laser removal subreddit I’ve seen so much suffered and experienced it myself as a young person who got talked into something I didn’t fully understand. Tattoos are not and should not be considered a light decision or rushed by any artist - before I got my tattoo, I didn’t understand how big of a deal it would be, the stencil told me nothing. I wish laser was easier, more effective and more accessible.
I don't have any tattoos but it's so interesting to watch your videos. I appreciate art so it's interesting to hear about other people's experience with body art....
i love the point about letting people take the time to judge the stencil without the artist present. i have a little sootball (from spirited away/totoro) on a very visible place and it turned out more oval than circle, which i didn't even notice at first (i also have social anxiety which made me really stressed at the time). it's still fine, people like it, but i regret it a little because i would love it more if it was circular!
🖤 I like that CJ Mack gave Space at Midnight some encouragement and told her about the swelling. I like how CJ Mack’s artist, Hannah of Black Vulture line, it goes behind the ear, followed below the jawline and came to a point under the chin. Hannah also followed the neckline and created a beautiful shape.
I also approved a stencil that I hated immediately after I got it. I can relate to how that feels, and it sucks 😭 knowing if I just said no, I could have found a different artist and gotten what I wanted
I hate that people have to hate on this. Regardless if they like the aesthetic or not, giving someone shit and making them feel worse about an obvious big change in their appearance is trash Be encouraging. This girl is so pretty anyway that once she gets used to it she will still rock it. I’m a hairstylist and sometimes we get into issues where we have to adjust the execution for the personalization of the client. It’s a very hard thing to do sometimes cause there are so many factors. But I love the girl’s attitude towards it. She doesn’t hate the artist about it it seems. And I don’t think the artist was at fault. I think if I was in this situation I would advice that we start it lower and gradually bring it up. Cause just like hair color and haircuts, it’s easier to add more, or cut more, not easy to correct. Anyway. Thank you for starting good conversations Celle
Not everything needs to be encouraged. Coloring Hair is totally different from getting a tattoo it's permanent and it affects our body. Like there is a limit. The artist did a great job but the tattoo itself is hideous. Tattoo artists will not talk about it because that's their business. Using people like canvas is already so disgusting on those tattoo shows.
@@cynister7384 so, you're saying that everyone always has to only make positive comments about everything? sure, giving someone "hate" for trivial shit like this is not ok.. but trying to take away people's right to say "i don't like it" is also not ok
Ohhh yikes... I've definitely had the experience of being excited/nervous and looking at a stencil for 2 seconds with the artist looking on and going "yep looks good let's go!" and then later wishing I had stopped and thought for a second and asked for the placement to be tweaked a little... but with tattoos in way way more forgiving spots! I feel so bad for her :( that process of accepting and loving your new tattoo the way it is has gotta be so much harder with something so bold and visible.
With the first woman, I loved her drawn on sketches. It would have looked good on her, especially even better if she started with exactly what she had drawn on and maybe add to it later when she was sure. The artist can always go higher but can't erase what's already drawn on. Lesson learned I guess.
These are kids adearing to trends. I have a bunch of tattoos and none of them were done on a whim. I put a year or more in coming up with a concept and working it out with my tattoo artist. The fact that a 20 year old shows up, asks for a black out in a very visible place...I'd say they are more likely driven by a desire for instant gratification, more then actual creative expression or long term considerations. The fact that she stould in front of a mirror 'and was excited' so just went with it...only confirmed that. You don't just agree out of exitement if you are genuinly interested in getting a good quality tattoo. You do if you just go on a whim.
My husband has both arms, front and back of his neck and across his shoulder blades blacked out. I have black out on my forearm but haven’t finished it yet. We both got it done to cover tattoos we no longer wanted. It’s not for everyone. You have a higher risk of ink rejection after a certain amount of hours getting black out done. It’s not an easy journey. I don’t know if I will continue pursuing it but my husband loves his and has plans to do more. Done correctly by someone well versed in black saturation, you are going to have a stunning tattoo.
🖤 i love your commentary. the origin of the neck blackout is so cool; i’m annoyed with myself for never having looked into it! i was introduced to the idea of alt makeup/neck blackout via visual kei (specifically ruki from the gazette). the intention and thought behind self expression with alt makeup/alt tattoos is so attractive imo!
Being tattooed has given me so much confidence too 🖤 It’s awesome when people stop walking and stare… but it’s also a great conversation starter and I’m an introvert lol
it really shows how important it is to not just really know what you want and to try it out beforehand but also to have the right tattoo artist. the first girl did the right thing with painting it on her neck first to see how it will look (even she should have also blacked it out fully, like excactly the way she wanted the tattoo). but then like she said, in the situation of getting a tattoo you are so excited that you might approve of anything suggested. so a talented artist is needed to draw perfect lines and to really get how this specific tattoo will turn out on YOUR body, not just on some piece of skin... and laser is not a sure thing of getting back your original tattoo free skin. it sounds like you can just easily remove every tattoo with laser, but probably it will just lighten the color, cost a lot of money and comes with a lot of pain. and maybe it will look even worse than before, cause it can look like a shadow or like you have stains or some kind of light drawings on your skin or even get scarring.
one of my good friends ryan is a super modded guy with all blacked out arms and legs, he then got scarification on top of it and it looks wicked cool. but he said if he could go back he probably wouldn’t do it again. which is so crazy to me. i always think of him before i do any new mods. he’s really open with genuine regrets or dislikes of something he got and is super cool about questions too. big mods are no joke man and why and who you have do them is even more important.
loved your skillshare sponsorship, my rib quote was done by a calligrapher turned tattoo artist. His family had been doing handmade signs and advertisements since 1902! The history of some of the calligraphy he explained to me was so cool. Really really respect artists who take an interest in calligraphy, they’re such harmonious skills
As a tattoo artist, I can’t belive she didn’t follow the natural jawline, some artists are graduated way too early man
Yeah she has a really nice strong jawline naturally, and it got rounded out and ruined her whole profile
Before seeing her with it painted on I legit thought she had a round face without any prominent jawline. It’s crazy how drastic of a difference the tattoo was to her actual jawline.
Why would anyone want this? What is the look they want? Floating head? Just cover their whole body?
@@alyciamarie4163 Because they want and they can, it's actually not that hard to understand...
@@alyciamarie4163 I saw a thicker woman do it-perfectly executed and it contoured and covered her double chin and basically snatched her jawline
For or against black out tattoos, I could instantly tell hers wasn't right, it's not like she says where only she notices, you can clearly tell it's like a scarf or sweater pulled up too high. Like she said, those couple centimeters change absolutely everything.
Yes! Ar first I thought it looked fine, but then after comparing it to the other ones, hers is a bit messed up.
That’s where she asked the artist to place it though, they worked on placement for hours and then she just regretted it after so slanders the artist
It looks like a beard lets be honest
@@Frog-tl6xnno, she wanted it under the chin, the artist may have accidentally gone up to high,also, as she said, it's hard to tell untill it's blacked out, and, she didn't slander the artist, she said multiple times it's wasn't the artists fault, it was her own, so I don't even know what your talking about-
I am in no way mad at the artist tho, she may have just not been paying attention and went to high, but whatever, we don't know
@@ChaoticWatcher I saw the artists side too, you didn’t even know the artist wasn’t a “she” lol I understand she wanted it lower but the artist can’t read minds and she didn’t reach out after. She just posted a video and didn’t clarify until the next video it wasn’t their fault after the artist had already been harassed relentlessly and tried to reach out asking how to help. She was heart reacting all the comments blaming the artist
As a man who has had to shave a beard line i can tell you even a cm off the jawline DRASTICALLY changes the shape of your face. Man I really feel bad for her because I can totally see exactly what she is seeing. She is trying to be ok with something she is not. Laser is her only option and that option is totally feasible as it is only a smidge that needs to be lasered and then lined back up with the ink.
I normally have a lot of empathy. But she should have specified where on her jawline she wanted the ink to start, since she knew exactly where it's supposed to go. And also while she was being tattooed she should have felt where it was starting and said something to the Artist.
@@Leukick people make mistakes for all sorts of reasons. Luckily most of ours dont end up permanent marks outlining our face
@@Leukickmistakes happen
@@LeukickFrom this videos I learned that some people while already feeling they don’t like it feel like that they can stop in the middle of the process. Like they feel bad about saying no, which is ridiculous, it’s your skin in the end.
@@TDdelta777if you teach your children how to control their lives with their speech and their actions? Your comment had me thinking how many parents never told their children how to tell someone “ NO!”.
It’s almost the first word your child learns.
Human need to stop teaching their children to stop saying “ no”.
Saying no can save your life. It can stop pain.
We need to teach them when it’s ok to say yes.
My parents taught me to say no until I want to say yes. No is the default.
A “bad” blacked out neck placement is like walking around for the rest of your life with really bad contouring. A good placement can do the exact opposite, it can create a gorgeous profile and really accentuate a face shape.
You perfectly voiced my opinion on blackout work especially in immediately visible areas. The placement and shape should work in harmony with someone's features.
The thing that worries me about that is your face & neck change as you age. 🤔
bruh it looks like he got a beard
if I was her, I would not want to be alive anymore. The thought of having to walk around without a jawline and bad contouring would make everything awful. I would just crawl up into a ball and wait until I starved to death. Imagine feeling beautiful for your whole life and then one day you wake up and see yourself as unattractive and not confident, knowing you can't do anything to change it.
@@aspenisthebest She is still beautiful! I understand how it could feel devastating for someone who experienced this, but while there are no perfect solutions, laser can lighten it. And maybe she could get other tattoos to help disguise that area. Regardless, physical appearance is hardly the extent of a person's value! People who experience any kind of disfigurement still have skills & talents, thoughts & ideas, & are still loved. I can't imagine turning away from a family member or friend just because they suddenly look different.
The second black out tat was GORGEOUS! It was done well, and fits her overall aesthetic tremendously. Now with the first girl, I feel SOOO bad for her. Even the stencil work was drawn lower than the actual execution. She's being waaay too nice on that artist. The artist didn't even follow her own stencil work - so yes, she is at fault. I noticed someone suggested she "loose weight". That's not even the case necessarily here. In her own sketches and even in the stencil by the artist, her jawline was simply just lower and very visible. So sure, losing weight could make her face more chiseled, but that artist still went too high on her face. Period. I wouldn't even know where to begin correcting this. Poor girl... I hope she's able to come to terms with it.
The line is crooked as well. It is not well done.
@@thiefonthecross7552 exactly!!!!! Like I would be mortified. I feel so bad for them! I really do. That’s a terrible execution
The line gives me the vibe of the tattoo artist accidentally went over the line and then had to over-correct by making the line higher up 🙈 but idk that's not even possible for tattoos..
I don't even know if losing weight would help or make it even worse, wtf is with people suggesting that
You can sculpt the jaw if the blackout goes too high with laser I saw michela bottin did a video when theirs was too high and they said that they didn't like how it changed their face shape and they got some laser and it does look way better now - there is a video on youtube about this but I don't remember where
I think blackouts can look super cool but it does make me wonder to what extent it’d compromise a dermatologist’s ability to recognise/treat melanoma.
Damn that is actually an amazing point I've never thought about😮
Well hopefully you're using copious amounts of sunblock anyways I guess
Not to mention such a high concentration of ink. Can't be good for you.
@@jillybean3688on such thin skin no less
I feel so bad for the first girl. She seems like nicest person. I know I've approved of tattoo placements before and thought it was all good until I got home or even a few days later. The adrenaline is real. And it's hard to tell an artist you have a problem with something they did
I haven’t gotten tattoos only piercings but I’ve gotten really short bangs and that was the first time I have ever just really didn’t like a cosmetic change. It was really brutal at first. The only thing that calmed me was that hair grows back.
@@tanitaharris7211 Exactly! Hair grows back. I really don't get the blackout of the neck thing. I remember years ago when everyone had a barbed wire tattoo on their upper arm, All that means is that in 20 years the nursing homes will be filled with people with scrawny wrinkly arms with barbed wire tattoos. Can you imagine what a blackout neck will look like when you're 60 and your neck is wrinkled ? People don't think about this, I guess but a neck tattoo will only look good until you're about 40 if that.
@@wisdomoftheearlychristians2037 And your neck won't be wrinkly when you are 60?
@@Kiki-vc1xo Of course it will, lol, if I live that long. I have an incurable degenerative muscle disease and doubt I'll see 60. But if I do, I'll be wrinkly. Almost everyone will be. That's exactly my point. A tattoo that might look great on smooth tight skin, like this black neck tattoo, will look very different when your neck is all wrinkly, and has a bunch of horizontal lines across it. It will look even worse if you develop a turkey neck, jowls or a double chin. If that girl is having such a problem dealing with how the tattoo has changed the appearance of the shape of her face, wait until her jawline isn't nice and taut like it is. Because her neck will be so much darker , if she develops jowls as she ages or the skin of her jawline is sagging, it's going to look way more pronounced than it normally would Because of the color difference and the fact that her neck will look like it's in shadow, she runs the risk of looking like a bulldog. I'm not trying to knock tattoos. I'm trying to say, as someone who worked in an extended care facility, I've seen many tattoos on old people. Depending on the type of tattoo, and where it is located, some will age well ( meaning still look decent when you're old), and some will definitely not.
Before I got a tattoo that radical, I think I'd paint one on a 60 or 65 year old woman to see the effect. Then you'll see what I'm talking about.
aw yeah for real 😭 i accidentally got a very prominent tattoo upside down earlier this year and didnt realize til she was almost done LMAO
When it comes to neck black outs, I would say it’s probably safest to start out with the line a little lower on the neck/jawline. The artist can always add more/move the line up a little higher if you don’t like it. You can always add more but you can’t take away 🤷♀️
same goes for hair cuts start small you can always take more but you cant go back.
@@thorinthunder9992at least it grow back
@@thorinthunder9992hair cuts, who care, in a month its normal again
@@RusticRonnie not if you chopped 30cm off
@@RusticRonniein a month?!! How fast does your hair grow?! That would still be a month with you not feeling good about yourself.
I think it's crazy that checking the Stencil isn't standard. I got a tattoo from a Spanish Lady in the middle of Falon NV and she put the stencil on slanted. I felt bad but told her I liked the design but not the slant. She washed my arm off re did the stencil and took a smoke break. Then came in and gave me my favorite tattoo of them all. I was lucky af because I went by myself with no one coaching me up.
You went by yourself? Congratulations! Go get a real scar, they cost bravery
I didn’t get black work tattoos but it wasn’t until I saw the difference between ones that were done correctly and ones that were done badly where I changed my mind. The conclusion I came to is It’s not even about understanding it it’s about just letting people do what they want with their bodies this is clearly an art style people love and that should be respected
i like the ones with designs in them still like subtractive ones
I never really understood the idea behind black out tattoos but when they are done right wow can they look good. It really is a bold tattoo to get. I love the ones that have a white ink design over them they look so good. To each their own though I’m sure I have a few tattoos that other people don’t like but meh fuck em.
Respect, I wouldn’t respect foolish decisions, just keep my thoughts to myself
🖤
Not all tattoos and art deserves respect
As a tattoo artist (9+yrs certified work experience- 20yrs art experience) this is 100% the artists fault. What the hell I feel awful about this 😢if I ever did this (obv I would never, but hypothetically) to someone I would do whatever I could to fix it. She should have took a minute to double check it, but I’d at least ask her myself to check again or wait a minute and tell her that it looks the way it did before permanently altering her body.
Yes, this is what I was thinking! Like it's understandable for the client to be excited and rush through things but the artist should slow her down. Considering it's such a visible tattoo too, why *wouldn't* she triple check that it's exactly matching what the client wanted? It's so unfortunate cause the lines the client drew looked so flattering on her. Anyway I'm glad there's experienced artists like you who would do it the right way😭
@@78cottoncandy Exactly!! There was so much responsibility on both parts that was just completely thrown out the window here, but as a professional, it’s ultimately our job to square things away since it’s *literally our job.* I’m not saying she herself didn’t screw up, but two wrongs don’t make a right, and if you were to order raw chicken or something from a chef, and that chef didn’t pull you aside for a minute to make sure you actually knew you ordered raw chicken and let you know how absolutely batshit insane that is, then that’s not a professional thing to do!
Yep! It’s an artists job to slow things down and be professional. It’s unfair to expect a client have enough knowledge to properly imagine how the tattoo will look. Rushing through any stage of tattooing will result in a bad tattoo
@@Algae555 you know it! If that were not the case, then why tf would there be so many classes and certs/licenses required to even hold that job lol. Some people are really ignorant and then when they’re forced to deal with the consequences of such ignorance, it’s the end of the world and suddenly they’re “the victim” when in reality the only thing they’re a victim of is their own ignorance and conscientious obliviousness/incompetence 🤣
What I thought as well 🥴 the artist is the professional
I don’t have any tattoos and currently don’t want any but I do think the black outs really suit some people. I feel sad for the first girl that didn’t get what she wanted and hope that it can be fixed 🤞🏼
I always leave my clients alone with their stencil as to let them freely judge it without me looking behind their shoulders, I do agree more tattoo artists should be incorporating this into their routine! :)
this is such a great idea!
wow that’s so nice! the only tattoo i kind regret is the one that the tattoo artist was kind in a hurry and i felt pressure to accept the stencil placement as it was
I wish this was common practice. Thank you for doing this
I love this, but I also like having the artist as a second pair of eyes on the placement. My last tattoo, the artist was so patient in getting the placement PERFECT and we did the stencil a few times. She had me position my arm at different angles, stand far away from the mirror as well as close to it, etc and it was nice to have that guidance from someone who knows more about tattooing
@Gwyn Peters we weren't saying that the artist wouldn't do that anymore. It's that they should still do all that, still get the stencil just right and then send you away to sit with it by yourself to make SURE you like it. It also gives the client a moment to build the courage to say something if they want something changed.
Of course the artists eye is 100% needed and probably better at picking up small stuff than the client because that is their job ahah.
I have an anxiety disorder. I went to an artist and asked before hand if they would stencil on my friends design that I paid for and tattoo that and they agreed. When I got there they started to free hand a sketch onto my leg. I DID say something and they pushed my concern away saying it was a simple design and it was fine. Well it wasn't fine and now I have a version of my friends art piece that looks a lot different. If he gave me the chance to sit alone with his bad sketch, I would have been more likely to gain to the courage TELL him "you agreed to the stencil. It's that or I leave"
I don’t have a single tattoo, but my heart breaks for her. I can’t imagine the hate. My first thought is “Why didn’t she paint it on?” but she DID!
Who among us hasn’t made a well thought out decision that they turned out to regret? I sure know I have!
Yes..fortunately none are inked on my face or neck..
The problem is society glorifies bad decisions like it’s cool, and when a person disapproves of all these stupid trends they are mocked and seen as out dated, when really it would be wise to listen.
@@notyourtypicalcomment2399 critical thinking vs stupid decisions. Yes with your mindset stupid decisions sure is good evidence. You can be someone with critically thinking and get tattoos. You can also be super impulsive and make stupid decisions. What you are saying seems like regurgetation from what youve known all your life but not what youve seen or experienced. I might be wrong but i just feel like youd notice that you can be someone who thouroughly thinks things thru, plans, prepares, research. Not all is black n white. Your mindset doesnt sound old school or like something to mock. More like I wonder what would happen if you actually met people who have critical thinking and get tattoos i wonder if you would just continue to have the same thinking or if youd see the other perspective even if you didnt really agree with the idea of tattos which is different from your opinions on people with tattoos
This is a very kind thing for you to say. 💕
@NotYourTypicalComment You're literally fighting your own made up thoughts because who said what homegirl did was a good idea??😂 you sound like an old timey geezer droning on about what "the young people" are up to. Perhaps don't fill your free time with content full of people you don't like and you'd be happier.
This is precisely the reason why I am not getting a tattoo. I would be just the same way, I'd hate how it turned out because of some minor detail that the artist or I overlooked, and then it would not be what I had imagined.
I feel like some tattoos are riskier than others though. I’m a dude, so below the neck, above the knee, and above the elbow seem pretty safe. Neck/face? Full blackout? VERY high risk
Sis i thougnt im reading my own comment, that's precisely my take
Yeah having a black out neck tattoo that doesn't line up with your jawline, forever altering your face shape is alot different than getting a small easily coverable tattoo that you stop liking over time tho lol. Like, not really even comparable.
@@rcmpoffdayintah4738no the damage is still there
20 yrs later they mean nothing to you, its a waste of money
My dad is a tattoo artisit and i wanted to say, your point about walking away and letting the client examine the stensil is amazing. My dad's a smoker so he'll always do the stencil, and them go out for a smoke break, in that time the client can have a good look at it and really make a decision about if they love it.
That's awesome. I think it's a GREAT idea to allow the client to see the stencil placement while they're alone and there's no pressure.
@@MaynardsSpaceshipFr, a good non-smoking edition is to grab a drink of water and check your equipment
I really like that, also it's a pretty casual way of giving them time alone. Like even if someone were to step out of the room, for me personally, I'd feel anxious about taking too long to look because I'd be paranoid I'm wasting the artist's time. If they're out on a break (smoke or otherwise) on their own time, I feel even less pressure to hurry and make a decision. I'm probably not the only one with hideously bad anxiety so...
Totally agree. I got a large leg tattoo recently - almost twice as big as I'd originally planned! My TA allowed me to try different stencils and gave me space to look at each of them in order to make sure I was 100% happy with the one I chose. It should be standard practice really.
@@babowasalwayshere Totally, he says his smoke breaks are actually really helpful for his clients, especially since he stops every couple hours to smoke so they can stop and relax from the pain for a bit every so often
Blackout tattoos are serious business!
For anyone who wants this, I would honestly recommend spending a month or two walking around with black face/body paint on the same area you want tattooed. This allows you to 1) see if you genuinely like the look long term 2) figure out the exact placement and shape you want for it by experimenting 3) have several images with various angles and lighting to show your artist regarding the placement you decide on
I think most people who want this already paint it on regularly, so they're getting the tattoo cause they don't have to draw it on all the time :p
That would be too responsible for them. 😂
The second girl's neck tattoo has single handedly changed my opinion on these tattoos from borderline-negative to positive. It is just stunning, perfectly shaped.
I absolutely prefer the gradient of the first woman's, but it's all personal opinion and the second woman looks stunning still.
The look isn't for me, but I thought that second one looked really fantastic.
she has a very strong jawline so it compliments her a lot
I can't look at it, it makes me imagine the amount of pain that she had to endure and that makes me weak in the knees
@@h0ojn-c1j Yeah, I think it's mostly that. Her chiseled facial features are what makes it work. I don't want to say that the first woman wasn't pretty, I have a really similar bone structure, but I don't think highlighting a softer contoured face is particularily flattering. Of course the tattoo being placed properly would have helped but at least from my aesthetic lense (trained make up artist), it makes sense most with angular faces.
People who aren't into tattoos commenting on tattoo tiktoks are always so unexpectedly cruel. I know the general public doesn't really care for them but its interesting seeing how much people actually judge those with tattoos
Edit: thank you to all the people in the comments who are proving my point by getting unreasonably pressed about someone's personal choice
I've seen the most beautiful realism works and expertly done with comments tearing it to shreds because it happened to be a big piece, it's funny seeing how much people actually dislike tattoos
@@Iotuseater You have to know your audience. if you are an artist, it might work out. if you work in a skilled profession you are going to have issues.
@@grbenway well of course, but i was talking about people shitting on a well done tattoo without knowing anything about the person getting tattooed. Just the choice to get one.
If the tattoo is shit or you paid hundreds of dollars for something you impulsively got then I am judging you
I think TikTok users think they exists within a vacuum, or tiktok itself is echo-chamber only echoing the worst out of everyone. This kind of environment started with sarcasm and jokes but it just keeps escalating. Anyway most ppl Irl don’t really have an issue with tattoos anymore I think it’s only people who have never interacted with it at all/know absolutely nothing and think all of this is new when it’s not. They’re the like super judgemental ones, like always. But I don’t think the hate for tattoos now could out-way the 80s ext. Idk food for thought
I have had a lot of work done starting 28 years ago (im 46 now) & I’ve also had my share of cover ups. It comes with the territory when you’re getting work done young. What I will say, is keep everything you get, within areas that can be easily covered with clothing; at least until you’re 30 years old. Yeah, that might seem like an eternity when you’re set on getting something, but things in life change. Circumstances, attitudes, lifestyles & yes, fads..
I feel so bad for her - it's not the inherent problem with blackout neck tattoos, it's the fact that the tattoo artist went up too far :(
tattoo removal in that area would probably be super painful too 😬 I couldn't imagine letting an artist do this to me, I don't think I'd ever find any artist I trust enough to do that.
They numb you a lot of the time beforehand especially somewhere sensitive and dark
I'm sure laser removal has improved over the years but I can't imagine you would have much success removing a blackout tattoo...
@@Lynsey17 It definitely helps lessened it but you do need time and natural fading out
@@kittymeowc8061 numbing cream usually fades after about an hour
It is not that bad on your face or neck at the sides, however the median / center line of your face is torture. I've had lots of laser hair removal, 20 treatments. See for yourself, scratch the corner of your jaw, then scratch the center of your upper lip. It's night and day.
One of my step uncles was a tattoo artist before getting a chronic illness that makes his hands shake, now he can't be. He would always make people look at the stencil on their skin too like you did. He said, this is forever so you want to make sure you like where it will be and look forever.
I have so much empathy for her, Im not tattooed but I did get an elective surgery and the results were not what I expected. It’s so hard not recognising the person in the mirror
Oh, Shiv, hello! Hope you're doing alright!
On a MUCH lighter note, I’ve experienced that when I’ve cut or dyed my hair and I was so relieved to know it would grow/fade. I can’t imagine not recognizing myself and knowing that it may never change and I may never look like “me” again.
Tattoo regret is so real. I totally understand being excited and then not realizing till after that there was a mistake or a mishap. I recently got a tattoo, loved the placement, loved the stencil, approved everything but once i got home i then realized how crooked it looks as i moved my arm around....i hated it so much, i did so much research on how to remove it but eventually just left it alone and now i get so many compliments on it. Everyone loves it but me lol
Omg yes the same thing happened to me but I got a butterfly so you def tell one wing is different when I move it lift my arm around. It sucks that I didn’t pay as much attention to the detail as I should’ve but the excitement of it all really blurs your vision.
OMG I have a tattoo just like that! !! I was super psyched when I was getting it ( of course lol) and the stencil looked great but then it came out wayyyy too dark and sorta too big. I still like it but it’s not great and it’s taking up prime real estate! Get a lotta complements on it tho haha
I have a tattoo on my calf I was totally psyched. It was a painful and long session. Then ppl at work told me it looked like our boss (it is gaming character, with blonde and short hair just like her). Now I am quite embarassed specially because 95% of the people wont even get the reference.
Been considering blacking it out but at the same time I feel bad as it was really well done (plus Im in trousers most of the time anyways)
Same here I have one on my left arm and I hate it so much but I get compliments on it too! Ive been looking into tattoo artists to cover it up/fix it bc I don’t feel comfortable going back to the original artist ;/
That's the reason why I don't have tattoos. As much as I love people sporting them, I change my mind a lot and I don't want to put myself in a situation where I can get doubts or regrets for life.
I just want to express how I appreciate your calmness, empathy and gentleness. I love tattoos amd alternative lifestyle connected to them, all my friends are heavyly tattooed (even if I am not). I watch and rewatch your vids because they are always very interesting and I totally love how you treat the issues, even if they are about mistakes and rude comments about them. Keep going on with your career, you are doing a great job!
If there’s a time to be critical about a tattoo it’s when your about to get a tattoo. Both her and the artist dropped the ball.
@@KittyxKult She couldn't have stressed enough how it was not the artist's fault. She said it multiple times. She's allowed to share about it. She said she approved the stencil and was excited about it. Everything your witness apparently said. If people are taking it upon themselves to blame the artist anyway, that's on those individuals. She's allowed to "go to the internet for attention", it's not an attack. The internet is here for all of us, she just shared her story. You're aiming so much hate at this girl to defend your artist when she didn't say one bad word about them and took full responsibility. You called her a creature in the same breath you're saying the artist shouldn't be receiving hate and being called names.
@@KittyxKult..."creature"...?!?! Thats a human being youre referring to, wtf.
Artist job is only make sure it’s applied correctly no scarring etc . She asked for a dumb ass neck blacked out… it looks pretty blacked out to me 😂
@@machofromnyc43 I'm sorry but you can't say it's applied correctly when even the stencil shows it closer to how it should be. There's two rules with a neck tattoo. Under the jaw, behind the ear. That is how it's supposed to be applied.
@@kellylyons1038 no she’s actually a piece of garbage who perpetuated racism by slandering her tattoo artist with lies, only to double back and say “it’s not the artists fault” in the second video after people were already sending death threats to the artist, locally we all can’t stand her lol
As a tattooer, this is why I always encourage my clients to double check the stencil and to please tell me if they want to change anything. I also pay attention to body language and if they hesitate for a SECOND I ask them to tell me what they’re thinking. Especially with like throat and hand tattoos I ask them very specific questions about how they like it to kind of make them think about it more since it is so visible. I really feel bad for the first girl, that’s going to be so difficult to correct 😞
Can it even be corrected?
The worst thing is that the artist didn't even follow the stencil! Huge huge difference between the stencil and the end result.
I mean what if even after double checking they say yes but still regret it?
I am not a tattooer but I’ve decorated cakes before. I would have them triple check the colors and design and when they would pick it up sometimes they would say “this isn’t what I wanted I wanted it to have (more flowers/brighter colors/etc.) even after they signed a paper confirming it’s exactly what they wanted. Even showed them pictures too!!
so I am curious if one of your clients got the a-okay from you after all that but still regretted it would it be your fault or theirs?
@@RaspBerryPies I see what you’re saying, but I wouldn’t want to place the blame on anyone per se. Even I’ve gotten a tattoo in a location I later came to regret and have since had covered, but at the time I loved it and was so excited for it. I actually loved it for years before I decided to cover it because it was after getting more tattoos that I realized I didn’t like where I put it. I didn’t blame the artist for that. I didn’t blame myself either, because to fault someone is to imply intention or that they did something wrong. Typically nobody intends for these things to happen. It’s just an unfortunate situation. If the artist did everything in their power to make the client comfortable and the client consented happily, then nobody did anything wrong. Everyone was playing their part. If the client later comes to regret it, it’s unfortunate, but it happens. All anyone can do is try their best, but mistakes happen.
This specific scenario is touchy because I wasn’t there, I didn’t see what the artist did, so I can’t say for certain what happened. I do know the client is being very respectful, and my heart goes out to her, because that’s never an easy situation to be in. I hope that answers your question! ❤️
@@nordette the only thing I can think of would be to fade some opaque grey on top of that black edge on her jaw to soften that line so that it’s not as harsh. It will still make her face shape look different, but I think softening it up would help.
I've always wanted a blackout tattoo on my neck, but I'm too afraid because it's permanent. It's so cool to see someone achieving the same look with makeup.
People forgot that their are washable tattoos, washable body paint.
People can change their look however they want and it's not permanent.
I had a similar response to a switch blade tattoo on my chest. Originally I wanted it on my thigh but the tattoo artist convinced me to change the spot so it wouldn't wrap. After I got it, I hated it and it threw me into an existential crisis. I didn't identify with having such a hard tattoo as a center piece. Also the knife seemed a little off center, which drove me crazy. 10 years later, it's one of my favorite tattoos.
@@Givebackthescarf no doubt--but it's still possible for this girl to find peace with her decision and the tattoo. The projected strength of having tattoos isn't just about the pain you go through to get the tattoo, but the strength that it takes to own your decisions and the resilience you gain from having other people code you in a specific way because of those decisions.
If I was this girl, I would laser the edges of the tattoo off and put some decorative stipple shaded mandalas or patterns over the laser treated areas working their way onto her face. She's heavily tattooed now, she might as well embrace it.
Damn - existential crisis? Lol
sameeee
my first tattoo is a snake wrapping around my forearm. i wanted it around my wrist but since it was my first, the artist convinced me getting it on my wrist would hurt too much. (i didn’t even feel any pain when getting it regardless, im on nerve pain meds so i could only feel the vibrations of the tattoo gun not pain)
it’s not the best use of “real estate” but it’s thin enough that i still have space on the rest of my arm. it also doesn’t look the “best” bc my skin is weird but touch ups exist and i love it now.
Ya know it took me a loooooong long time to even get into the idea of black out work. Initially I would see a lot of heavily tattooed people getting it done as a cover up. Then a lot of artists getting tattooed over the blackout which looks so sick. I think the problem now is that it’s just an aesthetic and people are getting it done on clean skin. I think if you’re not heavily tattooed you should be really cautious about getting black out work. Especially if it’s in very visible areas like the neck. 🖤
#truth
That's fair. I actually wanted a blackout tattoo first but no artist would do it. When I finally got it is was a lot more than I expected. I have heavily considered doing a blackout neck. However, blackout is super intense and tbh there are several other tattoos I want/can get without the level of hell that blackout is. No one really mentions that you have to go over blackout several times. So when I did my arm we had to do it twice (the entire arm) and I've talked to people who said they've done in more. On my hand we've went over 5x but it still just wont stay so I've kind of given up on getting the hand "more perfect."
@@nr9131 nah a good artist will only need to go over it once. MAYBE a touch-up after it heals but that's about it. i have tons of blackwork and i've never even needed a touch up. just do your research and go to someone who has healed blackwork on their profile imo. hope this helps.
@@nr9131 um. You shouldn’t need to go over any tattoo several times. Touch ups are within normal expectations but literally redoing over the whole thing…. That’s… not normal.
With your hand, of course you had to redo it over and over. It’s a hand.
Tattoo artist here :) Actually, if you get a super big area blacked out (like an entire arm), IT IS pretty normal to redo big parts of the piece.
There is a lot of movement near the wrist and elbow. The entire skin of the arm is constantly stretching and moving - when you use your hand, change how you sit, get (un)dressed, eat... we do so much with our arms! And because of the fact that tattoos like these scab all over, when it peels it is thus more likely that a lot of ink falls out with the scabs.
Ofc, there is methods to prevent parts of this (e.g. using changing pads for the first part of the healing process. I'd reccomend this for bigger, colorful pieces, too, bc they prevent thick scabbing). But whenever there is an area where a few spots open up, it is also better to go over the surrounding area again as well so that everything looks smooth and even in the end.
There is so much to a well healed tattoo. Some of it is knowing how your body best heals tattoos - this comes with getting tattooed multiple times. But some of it is also how healthy and well rested you are when you get tattooed, the weather conditions during and after (is it hot? do you need to wear thicker fabric that could rub on the tattoo? sunexposure?), how much you need to move the area in the first five days, etc.
Tattoo healing is such a big part of a good tattoo and after the tattoo is done, it is off our hands in many areas. That goes for both us artists and the clients as well. Even if everyone involved does their best, the result can still be flawed.
The second black out tattoo is gorgeous, it really suits her, and can really see the difference to the first one.
🖤 i’m so happy that you touched on the fact that people get tattoos to make themselves feel better about their body. Body dysmorphia can be so very hard. i have always hated my legs,I lost a bunch of weight and still hated them!! Got them tattooed and now I’m shorts all the time 🤷🏻♀️.
I love your videos. 🖤
same for me!!! my leg tattoos makes me feel so more confident and comfortable about my legs
Huh maybe I should get my legs tattooed then. 😅
That’s awesome 🥰🥰
Hellllll yeah ❤️🔥❤️🔥 what’re ur leg tats??
Random question did you tattoo back thigh area? I’ve always hated my cellulite and was wondering if tattoos would conceal it somewhat
For those people who dont want their necks blacked out.... no one will make you. If you dont want a tattoo of any kind, again no one will make you....Leave people who do alone. Absolutely no impact on anyone else.
No one cares but the people MAKE it others business by posting their sh*t all over social media looking for attention.
@@mstyles2667Not really. You don't have to give them attention. I'm someone who doesn't like attention seekers, and if they aren't harming anyone or impacting my life, I ignore them. They are not obligated to my time, and I am not obligated to give it to them.
@@mstyles2667 No they don't. Like, just seeing someone doing something isn't making it YOUR business. Especially because in order to be served this content on social media, the algorithm requires you to be interacting with similar content. Meaning, you're seeing things because you are interacting with it, then being angry that you're simply seeing the very things you interact with.
You may not LIKE seeing people you don't like, but that's a YOU problem. They have as much right to make content as the people you DO like.
@@mstyles2667 You sound more entitled. Like, as if you see something and don't like it, you're ENTITLED to comment. How deluded can one be?
@@mstyles2667scroll then dummy
I made it all the way & thank you for all your info. I’m an old lady & don’t understand sometimes why people get radical or “black-out” tattoos… but now I think I do, and it no longer bothers or “worries” me about the person. I appreciate all the calm, caring explanations from you & what the women & you shared! 🖤
I def think that the tattoo industry should take pointers from the permanent makeup industry about making sure that you're happy with it/certain before you go through. So many times the mirror look gets seen as perfunctory rather than a necessary part of the process that you should really think through. I think that most people who get tattoos are fed up of having their choices judged, so they don't even bother to consider that sometimes you really want something but still end up regretting it/wanting small changes.
Culpability is not always black or white. A line was drawn, the client approved it--so clearly she bears some culpability. On the other hand: THE ARTIST SHOULD KNOW WHAT A NECK IS, and she should have enough aesthetic sense not to give her client a beard. Also, if you are going to err in one direction, clearly you should err in the direction of under-doing it rather than over-doing it.
Tattoo artist gave her what she asked for. No blame to anyone but the one who approved.
@@crackpiemilkbar2889 not really. many times clients rely on the knowledge of the professional. how many times have you seen an artist talk someone into something a little different because it will work better, and people trust that because they do this professionally.
A form of body dysmorphia?
Like people addicted to plastic surgery
*points to a picture of a crane* this is a neck
exactly, you call always ADD. the tattoo 'artist' has the responsibility for the placement.
Wow. Jay looked great with the full makeup. I'm not alternative but a good look is a good look. And she looks good.
just because it wasn’t something conventional, doesn’t mean she’s any less deserving of proper tattoo work. i feel for her because there was a specific job she wanted that was placed poorly. she was very mature about it and how she could’ve planned better without sending hate toward the artist. she’s not deserving of hate, it’s an honest mishap. people have gotten much simpler and minor tattoos with poor quality and linework from less qualified artists, but even then they don’t “deserve” to have something important and personal they paid for butchered either just because others dislike it.
Tattoos are great for identifying people who aren't worth your time, like all the dumbasses taking pot shots at the girl unhappy with her blackout tattoo or those who still look down on anyone with any tattoos.
Yeah, look at how people's empathy dissolves as soon as someone is different from them. It makes me more grateful for the fact my parents raised me properly and taught me to be accepting
🖤 I think using tattoos as a way to gain autonomy over a part of your body that you're insecure about is totally valid and empowering! I think people are very quick to say "How insecure do you have to be to get a tattoo like that?" when really the same can be said for the way "non-alternative" people need to bend over backwards to fit what is considered acceptably beautiful. Great video, as always! 😊
@@aly6494Because makeup is temporary
@@aly6494
- It's not permanent
- You can change them around
- You can take them all off
- If something feels wrong (irritation and such) you can take them off, it's not stuck inside your body where it can seriously damage you if left unchecked.
- They usually don't require another person to have a permanent effect on the largest organ of your body.
Go to the gym
It's a very smart choice to make, in my opinion. You've tried and failed to accept a part of your body through other means, so you claim that part of yourself with a permanent mark. It's like a declaration that you are claiming a part of yourself, regardless of how scary or repulsive it is to you. I think it's admirable.
Sounds like cutting but with extra steps.
12:18 omg that look suits her so much. She looks regal. Like a queen.
as an alt girly I really appreciate the aesthetic of blackouts and respect the skill it takes to make them / the endurance and commitment to get them. I wouldn't do it for myself but I might do blackout makeup
What is blackout makeup? Thanks
@@victoria.xseven7913 i believe it’s conceptually the same as the tattoos in the video, but not permanent because it’s done with makeup.
It doesn't require that much skill. Literally just tattooing a huge area black. Only thing they need to do is make sure it's solid. It's not that impressive.
A great point made by Celle, is to give privacy to the person checking out their stencil. With my most current body, my piercer was very attractive & I was getting my cheeks/dimples pierced. I wish I would have had privacy to make all sorts of funny faces in the mirror to be certain about the placement. I lucked out, placing wise, but I can see the importance of privacy. Mine may be a silly reason, but its still one that could have resulted in a bad piercing on my face.
The second one looks striking and beautiful.
What I am wondering is how it will look as she moves into her 50s- necks age so much, even with necklifts, they are really never taught again.
Maybe by that time, for her, there will be many better options than we currently have. Again, she looks great and I love the look on her!
The third girl is smart to use makeup. She also looks great with it!
The first girl's result made me upset for her. Hopefully she can get the upper line lowered with removal. It must be hard to remove solid black?
Thanks for the video:)
I feel like if you’re considering this, you should try doing it with body paint/water activated liner or something temporary so you can see what it’ll do to your face shape first
And show your artist how you’ve been blacking out your neck so they know where they draw your lines
She did, that's the worst part. She tested it out on herself multiple times...
@@SalviAlmighty adding onto that, I think the tattoo just wasn't done in the place where she intended to
@@SalviAlmighty I know, I actually wrote the first part of the comment before I had fully watched that portion of the video. I think the idea of looking at the stencil in the mirror alone would’ve maybe helped too. Maybe the swelling will go down and she won’t hate it as much, maybe she could get it lowered with laser. I don’t really blame her nor the artist here, or maybe a little blame to each of them. But I still hope she was able to get the desired look out of it
She did that
@@SalviAlmighty She said she only made a line but didn't fill it in
I think the element of like, depersonalization or not recognizing yourself is really interesting. I don't personally have any blackout tattoos, but when I had top surgery since it was such a major change to my body it was shocking & scary at first. Even though it was a huge relief to get, the healing process was mentally difficult as I struggled to align my image of myself with my new body. Even if done perfectly it can be a difficult adjustment, and i wish people getting this tattoos could be allowed to talk about that struggle without receiving ridiculous amounts of hate
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@@katamine11 whats up lol
Omg this should totally be talked about more
Ug for real. I have that thing where you can't recognize faces and it really stressed me out for awhile because I can't recognize my own face. I've straight up been shown pictures of me and didn't recognize myself. Once I figured oit it actually had a name and was a thing I've been able to cope with it more but still get that occasional spike a stress of not recognizing myself in the mirror. Bodymods definitely took a lot of that stress off for me tbh.
So I definitely knew what she was talking about with the results stressing her out.
I'll definitely keep that feeling in mind though when I get my top surgery. I wonder if it'll bug me less just because I already have that major disconnect. Only thing that has been able to reel it in has been body mods so maybe it'll be an instant click?
@@misomie For me it wasnt something that bothered me really, it was just a little tricky to adjust to! In my personal experience top surgery has been an overwhelmingly positive thing for me and even when i had trouble readjusting my mental image, I never felt that I regretted it. I also think I have prosopagnosia to some degree so that might've played into it!
i'm late to the party, but this is a crazy good commentary video. you started with the ~viral craze~ video (while validating, complimenting, and supporting) and then expanded out to people who have done similar things for different reasons with different methods. you took spaceatmidnight's experience and took it from the isolated tiktok vacuum so many people saw it in and placed it in the context of the community and art form as a whole. this is informative, thorough, and above all else, kind. great work :)
I feel for this woman, its not like a coverup is really an option and there's no way removal can get it all out, even with multiple sessions. Plus, the neck would be a gnarly spot for lazer treatment. I hope she finds some form of peace and acceptance about this. Sending so much love and support her way.
I'm glad the first girl admitted that she should have approved it and really went over it meticulously instead of approving it quickly because that's what it really comes down to we have to advocate for ourselves
Tattoo artists however KNOWS this. Ppl come in being excited, in estatic states that can blurr your judgment. (Ur not allowed drunk, not just cause it thinns ur blood..) They do this every day...! Wt a big significant life changing tattoo.... I'm not saying the tattoo artist is at fault (maybe lack experience).. Double check would be good. Letting em approve super quick wt THAT. Atleast EXPLAIN this will NOT enhance her face features (as in t refference photos but she made up her OWN line that'll change the look of her face.) Tattoo artists purpsfully changed t shape of her face. Mention it.. Not everyone understands basic art or can picture hw shadow k. If I black out part of my waist in hour shape I look skinner/hips+×. If I put all black just on top my tits they'll look smaller... Tattoos usually work WITH THE BODY..Not against and altering if that's not specefied and a reasoning. I dunno if I get a cross..
We do have to advocate f ourselves. If ur not in court, have a lawyer who knows more about it since it's they're proffesion guiding u trough ur OWN wtvr..
@@embryonic7692 yeah, it really seems like this is something a more experienced / meticulous artist would have caught on multiple levels.
Unlike most large pieces, this is something really easy to "try out" before actually executing. For something so visible and life-changing, they should've at least tried 2-3 different lines to check where the optimal placement would be.
If it were me, I'd take photos of her from different angles and edit them to try out different lines. This is super easy/quick in Photoshop.
Have her rank those placement options and thinly draw her top 2-3 preferences on her neck/face in marker. Then I'd fill in her neck with marker to the lowest line and have her check it out in the mirror and take some more photos. Then fill the black up to the next line and again have her look it over in the mirror + more photos. Repeat as necessary.
Then send her home to live with the temporary blackout and carefully look over the photos before making her decision.
Only after all that would I schedule the first session. And even then, still start at the bottom and give her one last chance to stop lower than she'd indicated prior.
Perhaps the artist got too caught up in the client's own excitement for the tattoo or the simplicity of the design lulled the artist into complacency, but hopefully the artist learns from this incident and won't repeat this mistake in the future.
The recklessness of tattoo placement and design is just getting worse and worse over time. Thank you for making people awareness of these crazy lapses of judgment!
🖤TLDR: If you struggle with dissassociation or depersonalization, I recommend not getting giant tattoos quickly, even small tattoos can add to the effects. But still get them if you want, just put thought into it, and have some grounding strats. Not an artist, just very experienced in my own mental health issues 😊
Im glad shes able to come to terms with it being slightly different, it shows maturity and that she already was really sure she wanted this tattoo, and that a lot of thought went into it. I personally love blackout tattoos and how they look, but Id NEVER EVER EVER want one
on my body. It would just be too drastic of a change. Like I disassociate really easy cause of trauma and with both small tattoos I got, it took me several months to get used to it being there. I love them, and I dont regret them, but I know my initial shock of "this is forever changed" takes an adjustment period thats longer than others have. If I ever get a sleeve, I love sleeves and Id love to have one. Id probably focus on smaller pieces that go well together and it would be a period of years getting it, cause I don't wanna cause a drastic change that causes mental health issues like disassociation/depersonalization. Which I think would be nice for more tattoo people to mention, especially if they've experienced it, cause oh boy was i a shock to me 😂 Especially the first one, I was going through a bad mental health period of EXTREME disassociation, like I didn't recognize myself in the mirror kind of bad, and it kinda added to that. But I still dont regret it, I wanted that tattoo in particular since I was 16, its a sixteenth note on my hand to match my dad's first tattoo, and I got it pretty much right when I turned 18, my aunt even paid for it as a bday present 😊
Omg this explains how I feel so well. I'm not anti tatt or anything I love them on other ppl. But it gives me so much anxiety even tho I WANT one. Its the derealization
That's nice to know, I have DID and I worry I'll dissociate if I get a tattoo
Absolutely ! Thank you for talking about this. My depersonalization surely was triggered when I got even small tattoos :/ I gets better with time
The second person saying “why did I get it? Bc I fu king wanted it. Leave me alone.” Healed my soul I love that energy what an icon.
Yeah real selfish attitude.
Why would it be selfish to tattoo YOUR OWN body? She's not affecting anyone@@peterlawson8040
Lol because she didn't have an answer, so she acted childish and even knew how dumb she is..
@@peterlawson8040how is it selfish to be sure about what you want for yourself lol
@@peterlawson8040ah, a man saying that getting what you want done to your own body is selfish, what a surprise
There can be so much pressure in the moment when you’re sitting in front of the artist. I love your comment about permanent makeup, the person should be left alone to consider. The artist is at fault. I’m sad for her. J is like so many of these people who are hurting inside and doing these external things feels empowering, but it truly is a testimony to their brokenness.
I do feel for her.
My cousin had his neck done in 2012. Goes as a (dotted) gradient from under his jawline, main part of the neck is black, then starts spreading out like roots down the nape of his neck and towards his collarbones. It’s hard to explain - reminds me of a tree, but it looks good after seeing it for years.
He had immense regret when getting it done, though. I remember he came around family during the winter after getting it done (Halloween) wearing thick turtleneck sweaters and hoodies. It’s not that family judged him. They may be a southern baptist styled family, but I’ve got cousins with sleeves with many in the family loving them (especially when grandparents are incorporated in them, they love it). It’s just _he_ wasn’t comfortable with it because it did change how he looked - his face looked much slimmer (he was a big guy). It took a minute to get used to seeing him like that because it changed the shape a lot, and he started to look into laser removal a couple years after. It can be a bit of a mindfck, and it took him a couple more years before he finally came to terms with it and started to show it off more.
He’s had the rest of his upper body done in a roots-like theme connecting each tattoo design with some of the designs being wrapped in roots. It’s really hard to explain, but as of 2022, he ended up blacking out his wrists in the same design as the neck.
I honestly love the blacked out neck look. It’s not something I would ever get, but I genuinely see the appeal for it. Some people can rock it well and kudos to them. I give them major props for sitting there long enough to get a tattoo all over their neck.
Your cousins tattoos sound sick as fuck
It reminds me of neck rings, women get as little girls
Then, they get more and more
Nga had regret and then did another blackout lol braaaaaa
I know some tattoo artists that refuse to do this for this reason. Sometimes no matter how bad someone wants something once it enters the face and head territory no matter how good the tattoo is people regret it. You have to be 100 percent dedicated and really research your artist, go to someone who specializes in what you want. Also don’t be afraid to tell someone you don’t like the placement of something, tattoo artists want you to tell them that’s why they ask.
You are the most gorgeous person I've seen on the internet ❤ Love your style. Those eyebrows are true perfection.
The neck blackout is a bold move. It looks totally badass, and is pretty hot on some people. I think it looks best on those who have "sharp" lines in their face structure. I am into body modification, so this video was right up my alley.
As a Norwegian, I felt a great sense of pride at the mentioning of True Norwegian Black Metal 😂 That used to be my vibe 🖤
I got a half sleeve like two days after I turned 18 by a pretty questionable artist. I was young, naive, and thought I knew everything when I, frankly, did not. After getting it reworked when I was 21, it looked better, but I still just hated it in general and was very ashamed and embarrassed by it. People would ask to see it and I would literally say no. Finally, at 27, I decided I just wanted to black out my whole upper arm. Not necessarily the style I would have picked right away, but didn’t feel I had another option other than cutting my arm off at my shoulder. The artist I spoke to gave me my confidence back, designed a beautiful chrysanthemum piece to completely cover it, and at 29 I’m halfway done with the process and already a million times more comfortable in my skin than I was for the past decade. (Taking a break for now bc I’m 6mos pregnant, and I feel good wearing what is done so far over my previous piece). All that being said, I would have gotten the blackout to cover the monstrosity I loathed for so many years, but I’m very happy to have a piece that better reflects my personal style instead. I adore blackouts, but I don’t believe I would have been as happy as I am with what I decided on. 🖤
That's beautiful! Cover-ups for the win!!
Tattoo removal can be way more expensive than a cover-up. At least based off of the research I’ve done. I have 3 tattoos I don’t like (only one I really regret, which I got at 17). I’m planning on getting them covered up, but the one I hate most is the biggest and darkest so I’m not sure if it will even be possible
@@amandak.4246 Removal costs a lot more.
@@MS-we9gn don’t lose faith! The one I’m speaking of was my biggest and darkest too. Just find the right artist!
@@amandak.4246 if the initial piece is quite big, it’s probably almost impossible to remove it
Laser removal usually works for small or medium tattoos, and even in these cases it takes a looot of procedures just to make it less bright
This video was recommended by UA-cam. I have no tattoos and don’t plan on getting any but I stayed and subscribed. Love how understanding she is to the people mentioned in the video and addressing any misinformation. 😊
I’m like you. No tattoos. Will never get any. But I like the respect and understanding in this channel. I learn so much about the feelings and the psychology behind tattoos.
Because of that I, like you, became a subscriber. Being 60, I still want to know about how younger people think and why they do what they do, whiteout prejudice.
She is too "understanding" to be honest.
ur voice is so calming
I think the first tattoo could be somewhat corrected with a small triangle of shading coming up from behind the jaw up to the tragus in front of the ear. That little bit of definition would bring the bone structure back. I really hope that after healing and getting used to the look (plus maybe some touch ups) that client feels at peace
Bro I get a bad haircut and have an identity crisis... can't imagine how she must feel. She's actually holding it together quite well, all things considered
2nd tattoo girl was just frustrated and irritable after her marathon tattoo session. I’m no extreme tattoo lover, but the neck blackout actually looks great on her as it accentuates her facial structure beautifully. She was lucky to have gone to a good artist who knew what they were doing.
The second neck tattoo is so beautiful, omg. I couldn't imagine the pain she was in, but she looks amazing!
The only issue I have with the first one is she went straight for a whole neck blackout when her arms still look pretty much bare. She was going to freak out no matter what after it was finished. I don't know why a respectable artist would agree to that on anybody who isn't already HEAVILY tattooed.
Oh shit good point
Agree. Same with hand tatts. My arms and legs are both visibly heavy tattooed. I still don’t have a neck / face or hand tattoo. And it’s fine if others don’t „wait“ - but it’s the artists responsibility to set this into context.
My first tattoo was the whole inside of my forearm and even that placement, being below the elbow and harder to hide, people were like, ‘you sure?’ Granted it was 15 years ago and tattoos have gotten a lot more common but still, you have a super duper good point!
she could have other tats elsewhere or really done her research but if it was her first then it is kinda negligent especially with the results and the complexity of working with black
Some people say it's old fashioned but I still agree, you shouldn't tattoo someone's neck or face unless they're filled up other places. It's not about elitism, it's about making sure they're really serious about a huge, permanent change to their appearance. That they know what it's like to be perceived differently because of tattoos. And that they have the experience to triple check and get it done exactly how they want it.
She explained it so well. Sweet one, I’m so sorry. I hope they find peace with it, in some way, soon.
I got my lip pierced (verticle medusa) and had to coach myself in the mirror to not get too excited so I KNOW the placement was what I wanted. I needed it to cover a scar from a previous botched medusa and went to a different, more experienced piercer just to make sure he was going to be able to achieve exactly what I wanted. It was so hard to make sure I took my time because my scar had been such a place of insecurity for me but with his help I have the piercing of my dreams. Patience during excitement is so so difficult but equally worth it.
Despite the placement, I think cj mack's tattoo looks stunning because she has a small face and is willing to go lower for the tattoo to end at her chest. Spaceatmidnight's tattoo will look better in the next session where she would probably go lower so that her neck isn't shortened like it currently does
I'm not a huge fan of black outs most of the time, but she looks so bad ass with hers
It was really interesting, I really appreciate your perspective and giving people the space to share who they are without the judgement
I love that she actually did the floating head photo. She obviously has a great sense of humor. More power to CJ... We should all have the guts to do what we really want to. ❤️
She's just stupid.
I predict there will come a time where she's going to hate it.
MEASURE TWICE CUT ONCE. Why wouldn't you start from the middle and gradually work up and check at every stage? Sorry but this is just plain dumb. I'm more methodical about my eyeshadow application
If it's a gradient like hers, you kinda have to know where the black ends
literally. The artist did a bad job and the girl did not do her part in ensuring what it would look like. Both to blame.
@@marcellkovacs5452 you can always add more you can't undo it.... I stand by what I said. Plus like the other people pointed out... WHAT GRADIENT?"
@@theewildroseshe literally says in the video that her tattoo is meant to be longer and gradient into the skin on the rest of your body. That first TikTok was posted after only her first session. Reserve the all caps for when have a good point.
I just wanted to say, you have a lovely voice! It's very relaxing. I'll definitely be checking out your channel! Especially if there's more tattoo content ^^
man I feel so hard for the first one… I agree that she has some responsibility in the sense that nobody forced her or pressured her into it, but also the artist definitely bears a part of the blame. an artist should know that people can get really excited and approve a stencil placement too quickly, that they can feel awkward if they’re being observed while checking the placement, or even feel too awkward to voice concerns if they don’t have a minute to compose themselves. I have a few tattoos, nothing as important as a blackout neck, and every time I was encouraged to walk around the studio, go to the bathroom, and really consider the placement before I commit to it.
the artist had references for what their client wanted and they failed. the client puts their trust in the tattoo artist and it’s up to them to live up to it. this one didn’t. the client wanted a blackout that would follow their natural jawline, and even though the reference picture didn’t go all the way up to the ear the artist didn’t have to change the line placement to add that border. the stencil didn’t even go that high, and the final product isn’t even symmetrical, like this is just bad for reasons outside of her control.
I really hope it looks better after the swelling has gone down, but I don’t think it’s a case of “nobody else notices except you because it’s your own body”… I hope she can get laser or figure out a way to extent that awkward line into a a nice cheek tattoo.
I admire her positivity because like what else can you do in that situation but man this sucks. I hope she’s okay.
Then she should have said to the artist where exactly she wanted the tattoo..
@@sit-insforsithis1568 did you not watch the video ? she did say it, she even had pictures.
I can’t imagine having a needle on me and not realizing “hey, maybe the needle is too high this doesn’t feel right” she’s a complete idiot that didn’t think. Notice how she barely has visible tattoos either and still got a whole blackout neck tattoo. Stupid people win stupid prizes. She deserves this.
@@tired1923and she also said that looked quickly in the mirror, like to seconds and agreed with the placement bc she was too excited 🤡🤡🤡
Michela Bottin has an inked interview where she talks about getting tattooed by the brutal black project and afterward didn't like how her neck came out because the line was too high. She ended up getting it lasered just a bit to frame her face better.
Exactly what I thought of too! I think it can be fixed.
People saying "breath" and "this moment will pass" is so comforting - thank god for people still being kind
I totally understand the excitement of seeing the stencil and jumping into the tattoo. I don't regret any of my tattoos but I wish I could slightly change the position of a few, nothing anyone would notice unless they're analysing it but since it's on my skin I notice it. My heart goes out to her
i think it’s really important that tattoo artists create an environment where a client can feel comfortable enough to ask to change a stencil. tattoos are a HUGE commitment and feeling pressured into placement or size because you’re too nervous to ask for change absolutely sucks
6:13 it IS the artist's fault! It's the artist's job to not be "too excited" to make super sure that the line was in the right place
I think there are a few different things happening that’s contributing to her discomfort. In addition to swelling and line placement, I think the color difference- the ones she did herself is significantly lighter- plays a part. Hers looks like a shadow as opposed to a complete blackout and, even if she had the clearest vision, that may have affected her expectations of the final product.
I really hope she likes it once she gets used to the change. She seems like a really cool and sweet person and I think the tattoo suits her.
I love Cj's "no-bullshit" kind of personality. She seems awesome. First girl is very sweet also
That poor first girl. Its just going to look worse and worse as time goes on.
🖤I think a really bold chunky necklace would look so pretty over a blackout neck.
i wanted black out tats on my arms just above my wrists and ending below my elbow, basically because of intense scarring. i thought about it for a long time and realized i dont want to get something tattooed on me because of a giant insecurity. this video was awesome! it goes to show that everyone is super different and comes from a differnet place
You'd probably see scars through the black because the texture of the skin would be different in those spots. I think other kinds of tattoos would cover them better.
The scars would still show through a blackout, they’ll just be black!
@@BabyJesus66 yeah, i have tatts on my arms not black out but the ink does warp over scars and fades much faster. Better getting lots of pictures or line work because it distracts the eye. I considered black out for my arms and im so glad i went for lots of pictures and line work because the scars are still visible but only people only notice if they grab my arm and look closely at the tatts, then they ask about the scars lol.
watercolour or busy designs are way better when it comes to hifi g scars than just a plain blob of colour, no matter what colour. I have scars on my arms, some from work as a vet tech, some from...other stuff. I have a purple rabbit tattooed on one of my underarms and even though nothing can make the scars disappear, they are far less noticeable than they were before.
Have you considered consulting a dermatologist about whether any treatments could reduce the appearance of the scaring on your arms?
It really breaks my heart to see people upset over something on their body permanently, especially something always visible. I get it’s a personal choice and that it’s a risk you take but as someone who has frequented the Reddit laser removal subreddit I’ve seen so much suffered and experienced it myself as a young person who got talked into something I didn’t fully understand. Tattoos are not and should not be considered a light decision or rushed by any artist - before I got my tattoo, I didn’t understand how big of a deal it would be, the stencil told me nothing. I wish laser was easier, more effective and more accessible.
I don't have any tattoos but it's so interesting to watch your videos. I appreciate art so it's interesting to hear about other people's experience with body art....
i love the point about letting people take the time to judge the stencil without the artist present. i have a little sootball (from spirited away/totoro) on a very visible place and it turned out more oval than circle, which i didn't even notice at first (i also have social anxiety which made me really stressed at the time). it's still fine, people like it, but i regret it a little because i would love it more if it was circular!
🖤 I like that CJ Mack gave Space at Midnight some encouragement and told her about the swelling. I like how CJ Mack’s artist, Hannah of Black Vulture line, it goes behind the ear, followed below the jawline and came to a point under the chin. Hannah also followed the neckline and created a beautiful shape.
You have the sweetest voice
I also approved a stencil that I hated immediately after I got it. I can relate to how that feels, and it sucks 😭 knowing if I just said no, I could have found a different artist and gotten what I wanted
I hate that people have to hate on this. Regardless if they like the aesthetic or not, giving someone shit and making them feel worse about an obvious big change in their appearance is trash
Be encouraging.
This girl is so pretty anyway that once she gets used to it she will still rock it.
I’m a hairstylist and sometimes we get into issues where we have to adjust the execution for the personalization of the client. It’s a very hard thing to do sometimes cause there are so many factors.
But I love the girl’s attitude towards it. She doesn’t hate the artist about it it seems. And I don’t think the artist was at fault. I think if I was in this situation I would advice that we start it lower and gradually bring it up.
Cause just like hair color and haircuts, it’s easier to add more, or cut more, not easy to correct.
Anyway. Thank you for starting good conversations Celle
She got a neck beard LOL
Not everything needs to be encouraged. Coloring Hair is totally different from getting a tattoo it's permanent and it affects our body. Like there is a limit. The artist did a great job but the tattoo itself is hideous. Tattoo artists will not talk about it because that's their business. Using people like canvas is already so disgusting on those tattoo shows.
@@Lola_Nico Everything in the video and comment just went straight over your head, huh?
@@cynister7384 so, you're saying that everyone always has to only make positive comments about everything? sure, giving someone "hate" for trivial shit like this is not ok.. but trying to take away people's right to say "i don't like it" is also not ok
@@stefanforrer2573 Literally just don't be an asshole, that's it.
oh my God I'm in love with the second neck tattoo! Getting this done soon
Ohhh yikes... I've definitely had the experience of being excited/nervous and looking at a stencil for 2 seconds with the artist looking on and going "yep looks good let's go!" and then later wishing I had stopped and thought for a second and asked for the placement to be tweaked a little... but with tattoos in way way more forgiving spots! I feel so bad for her :( that process of accepting and loving your new tattoo the way it is has gotta be so much harder with something so bold and visible.
With the first woman, I loved her drawn on sketches. It would have looked good on her, especially even better if she started with exactly what she had drawn on and maybe add to it later when she was sure. The artist can always go higher but can't erase what's already drawn on. Lesson learned I guess.
These are kids adearing to trends.
I have a bunch of tattoos and none of them were done on a whim. I put a year or more in coming up with a concept and working it out with my tattoo artist. The fact that a 20 year old shows up, asks for a black out in a very visible place...I'd say they are more likely driven by a desire for instant gratification, more then actual creative expression or long term considerations. The fact that she stould in front of a mirror 'and was excited' so just went with it...only confirmed that. You don't just agree out of exitement if you are genuinly interested in getting a good quality tattoo. You do if you just go on a whim.
My husband has both arms, front and back of his neck and across his shoulder blades blacked out. I have black out on my forearm but haven’t finished it yet. We both got it done to cover tattoos we no longer wanted. It’s not for everyone. You have a higher risk of ink rejection after a certain amount of hours getting black out done. It’s not an easy journey. I don’t know if I will continue pursuing it but my husband loves his and has plans to do more. Done correctly by someone well versed in black saturation, you are going to have a stunning tattoo.
🖤 i love your commentary. the origin of the neck blackout is so cool; i’m annoyed with myself for never having looked into it! i was introduced to the idea of alt makeup/neck blackout via visual kei (specifically ruki from the gazette). the intention and thought behind self expression with alt makeup/alt tattoos is so attractive imo!
Thanks for the chapter time stamps, I wish more people would do it.
Plus sometimes they do it and then don't other times.
Being tattooed has given me so much confidence too 🖤 It’s awesome when people stop walking and stare… but it’s also a great conversation starter and I’m an introvert lol
it really shows how important it is to not just really know what you want and to try it out beforehand but also to have the right tattoo artist. the first girl did the right thing with painting it on her neck first to see how it will look (even she should have also blacked it out fully, like excactly the way she wanted the tattoo). but then like she said, in the situation of getting a tattoo you are so excited that you might approve of anything suggested. so a talented artist is needed to draw perfect lines and to really get how this specific tattoo will turn out on YOUR body, not just on some piece of skin...
and laser is not a sure thing of getting back your original tattoo free skin. it sounds like you can just easily remove every tattoo with laser, but probably it will just lighten the color, cost a lot of money and comes with a lot of pain. and maybe it will look even worse than before, cause it can look like a shadow or like you have stains or some kind of light drawings on your skin or even get scarring.
one of my good friends ryan is a super modded guy with all blacked out arms and legs, he then got scarification on top of it and it looks wicked cool. but he said if he could go back he probably wouldn’t do it again. which is so crazy to me. i always think of him before i do any new mods. he’s really open with genuine regrets or dislikes of something he got and is super cool about questions too. big mods are no joke man and why and who you have do them is even more important.
loved your skillshare sponsorship, my rib quote was done by a calligrapher turned tattoo artist. His family had been doing handmade signs and advertisements since 1902! The history of some of the calligraphy he explained to me was so cool. Really really respect artists who take an interest in calligraphy, they’re such harmonious skills
@Splitleaf do you have his information? I'd love to learn more about his family ^_^