In all the videos you have posted I think that this episode seems to be the most accurate of all episodes..a few things wrong but nothing major. The part of them being in the church at the end is very touching as it is very soothing to all the soldiers. At least a evening of relaxation and recreate. RIP to all the soldiers who lost their lives..I think that if it weren't for spiders and shifty there would have been more deathers..it seems as if Dyke was suffering PTSD.. I may be wrong. A great video. Ty.❤❤❤
Thanks Colleen. I have a corrections video for these two Bastogne episodes coming out shortly. Unfortunately it doesn't appear as though that church scene happened.
Great video. I always thought it odd that both Winters and Sink were portrayed in the woods just outside of Foy in the BoB episode. I can't imagine Sink standing around the edge of the forest like that during an assault.
Great Video as always! I paid a visit to Foy whilst a trip to Bastonge . It is quite an unassuming little Village to this day. Once there you can see why so many snipers were in and around. One interesting thing , there is quite a large German war cemetry on the outskirts and a couple of hundred yards away is the American temporary cemetery.
At 7:23, that scene really stands out as unforgettable for me. Lieutenant Speirs was incredible, and I don't know to this day why he wasn't honored more. Even if Band of Brothers dramatized that sprint through open ground. It's still occurred in many accounts that corroborate this fact.
This is an excellent companion story for the movie. It's not likely that a "real" or authorized combination could be made, but it would make an excellent and informative historic tool.
BAM , there’s that INTRO 😀 Sorry , I LIKE IT !!!!!!!! That episode of B of B is my favorite…. It showed the ATTRITION of WAR…. I build PLASTIC MODELS, when I do ARMOR / INFANTRY Dioramas, The BATTLE of the BULGE is the most interesting to me !!! If you’re a MODEL BUILDER get the Figure Kit from DRAGON MODELS 101st AIRBORNE at BASTOGNE …. Great for a diorama…. Again, FOY is my favorite episode……….. WAR n TRUTH ON……….. CHRIS 🇺🇸
Whether or not Dike was wounded in Foy remains controversial and one soldier (Clancy Lyall), who was there, stated that Dike was shot in the right shoulder and that was why he stopped. Dike did receive two Bronze Stars and a Purple Heart.. While he was not well regarded as an officer by his men (Foxhole Norman), no one can state with certainty what actually happened that day.
yeah Clancy Lyall was on the 30. cal covering the attack and no where close to see Dike plus later when talking with Joe Muccia the #1 historian on Easy Co. he changed his statement to "Well, I thought i saw him hit" , PLUS all the paperwork AAR's , Morning reports , Combat Journals have NO mention of Dike being wounded or evacuated. I was in E/506th Reenacted and knew many of the E co vets including Maj Winters as they would hangout with us at events & airshows.
Its impossible to know for sure. I would have thought that Lipton or Winters would have mentioned it in his writings. Perhaps as I go through the transcripts of others I will find it (there is nothing about in Clancy Lyall's)
Later in years while talking with Joe Muccia (the #1 historian on Easy and was friends with the real men and is close to all the families ) Clancy said "Well, i thought i had seen Dike wounded" and no paperwork mentons him being wounded.
@@2104dogface I agree. This has been very difficult to track down. I have found one mention where Dike did get a Purple Heart and some sources say he received two. But I can't substantiate this from more reliable sources despite going deep down the rabbit hole. Finding the truth remains elusive.
Hi W&T ----- War-photographers - setting up scenes - like that witnessed by Winters - was not uncommon. Spanish civil war photographer Robert Capa was known for a single frame of a 'Falling soldier' at the moment he is allegedly shot. That single photograph cemented his reputation - unfortunately for Capra - a close examination of the other pictures on the roll - proved it was fake. But no-one cared - it was the era of big photo-magazines like 'Life' & 'Picture-Post'. The image of front line fighting was what counted - it did its intended job.
Good you didn't delve too much on the supposed wounding of Dyke on the attack. When I was trying to look it up, SO many people are treating that one soldiers statement on it as fact and ignore everything else and used it as some sort of gotcha, like the fact it was not on the after action report, or literally no other soldier near him saw it during or after either.
I think that either Winters or Lipton would have mentioned it in their recollections, but nothing. I put it up there with the Sobel knocking out a machine gun on D-Day myth.
Yeah Clancy Lyall was on the 30. cal covering the attack and no where close to see Dike plus later when talking with Joe Muccia the #1 historian on Easy Co. he changed his statement to "Well, I thought i saw him hit" , PLUS all the paperwork AAR's , Morning reports , Combat Journals have NO mention of Dike being wounded or evacuated. I was in E/506th Reenacted and knew many of the E co vets including Maj Winters as they would hangout with us at events & airshows.
You made at least one absurd statement. Foy was not the costliest engagement of the war for Easy Company. The loss of Lieutenant Meehan's stick alone on Mission Albany was costlier, excluding any additional losses that followed throughout D-Day.
Thanks for stating the obvious, but that was a plane crash, not an engagement with the enemy. If you take out Meehan's stick, there were still more E Company troopers killed at Foy than the entire Normandy, Holland and Germany campaigns combined (4 killed in Normandy, 3 in Holland and 1 in Germany)
@@War_And_Truth The crash wasn't an accident. The plane was engaged with fire from enemy anti-aircraft guns. That's an engagement, even if the paratroopers aboard the plane were powerless to fight back.
@@War_And_Truth How about his, all you have to do is say in some future video, that Foy produced high casualties and was one of the worst incidents in the War for Easy company. A) That's intellectually honest. B) More accurate than your claim in this video. And, most importantly... C) How an actual, reputable historian behaves when he has a claim disproven.
Good lord people just type Norman Dike in the National Archives it has his military record. He received a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for his actions at Bastogne. Winters just didn't like him and there is nothing wrong with that. We are all human.
Yeah no official paperwork back up him being wounded. AAR's, Morning reports, Combat Journal or from any of the medical units there have paper showing him being evaced. Also Later in years while talking with Joe Muccia (the #1 historian on Easy and was friends with the real men and is close to all the families ) Clancy said "Well, i thought i had seen Dike wounded" and no paperwork mentons him being wounded.
Search for Ep22 Easy company Q and A, all credit to Joe on this. He debunks the Dike myths with full research into the archives AND has actually interviewed the vets such as Clancy Lydall and Foley about the incident. First, none of the daily reports around Foy have any record of Dike being wounded in that action or in Bastogne, nor was any paperwork for a purple heart submitted at this time. Two, Clancy Lydall said he THOUGHT he saw Dike was wounded, not he WAS, classic case of Purple Monkey Dishwater. He was also literally the only one to have said something like this, further more according to Lt. Foley, Lydall would not have been in a position to have seen Dike as Lydall was on a support weapon, Foley left his support elements far behind the attack to support the assault (MGs and Mortars). So all the evidence suggests he was not wounded, so unless you have something concrete and able to cite and not just "look it up", the burden of evidence falls on you not the other way around. Listen, we are not dumping on Dike, we are trying to get the truth and facts, not feelings. It can be true that Dike performed heroism in the past with distinction in his S4 Logistics and Intelligence roles and pulling men to safety, but was completely out of his element when put in command of an Elite Combat company that needed to assault a fortified position requiring him to run across open land without the proper experience or training. Did BoB do him dirty? I think they did, they definitely went too far one way, but then there are so many people defending Dike going too far the other way. As they say, the truth is somewhere in the middle, meaning in BoB there is at least some truth on how he performed. It wasn't just Winters that didn't like him, the majority of easy company did not like him, you do not get the name "Foxhole Norman" for nothing, and it was a fact he was called that by the men. Things aren't black and white.
in E22 Easy company Q and A, all credit to Joe on this. He debunks the Dike myths with full research into the archives AND has actually interviewed the vets such as Clancy Lydall and Foley about the incident. First, none of the daily reports around Foy have any record of Dike being wounded in that action or in Bastogne, nor was any paperwork for a purple heart submitted at this time. Two, Clancy Lydall said he THOUGHT he saw Dike was wounded, not he WAS, classic case of Purple Monkey Dishwater. He was also literally the only one to have said something like this, further more according to Lt. Foley, Lydall would not have been in a position to have seen Dike as Lydall was on a support weapon, Foley left his support elements far behind the attack to support the assault (MGs and Mortars). So all the evidence suggests he was not wounded, so unless you have something concrete and able to cite and not just "look it up", the burden of evidence falls on you not the other way around. Listen, we are not dumping on Dike, we are trying to get the truth and facts, not feelings. It can be true that Dike performed heroism in the past with distinction in his S4 Logistics and Intelligence roles and pulling men to safety, but was completely out of his element when put in command of an Elite Combat company that needed to assault a fortified position requiring him to run across open land without the proper experience or training. Did BoB do him dirty? I think they did, they definitely went too far one way, but then there are so many people defending Dike going too far the other way. As they say, the truth is somewhere in the middle, meaning in BoB there is at least some truth on how he performed. It wasn't just Winters that didn't like him, the majority of easy company did not like him, you do not get the name "Foxhole Norman" for nothing, and it was a fact he was called that by the men. Things aren't black and white.
The opening's better without the sub, good call. Thanks for another fantastic education on the Boys of Easy.
Thanks mate. Yes the sub is sunk :P
In all the videos you have posted I think that this episode seems to be the most accurate of all episodes..a few things wrong but nothing major. The part of them being in the church at the end is very touching as it is very soothing to all the soldiers. At least a evening of relaxation and recreate. RIP to all the soldiers who lost their lives..I think that if it weren't for spiders and shifty there would have been more deathers..it seems as if Dyke was suffering PTSD.. I may be wrong. A great video. Ty.❤❤❤
Thanks Colleen. I have a corrections video for these two Bastogne episodes coming out shortly. Unfortunately it doesn't appear as though that church scene happened.
Great video. I always thought it odd that both Winters and Sink were portrayed in the woods just outside of Foy in the BoB episode. I can't imagine Sink standing around the edge of the forest like that during an assault.
I recall Winters saying that Sink was not at Foy and he had no intention of taking over himself.
Once again a great video. I watch because of what I learn. Thank you!
Thanks as always
Splendid work once again. Thank you!
Thanks for watching.
Well told, as usual. Appreciate the research and sharing of information. History is fun. Thank you for the vid and work.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great Video as always! I paid a visit to Foy whilst a trip to Bastonge . It is quite an unassuming little Village to this day. Once there you can see why so many snipers were in and around. One interesting thing , there is quite a large German war cemetry on the outskirts and a couple of hundred yards away is the American temporary cemetery.
Must have been great to be there.
At 7:23, that scene really stands out as unforgettable for me. Lieutenant Speirs was incredible, and I don't know to this day why he wasn't honored more. Even if Band of Brothers dramatized that sprint through open ground. It's still occurred in many accounts that corroborate this fact.
He should have received a Silver Star, maybe even a DSC.
This is an excellent companion story for the movie. It's not likely that a "real" or authorized combination could be made, but it would make an excellent and informative historic tool.
Thank you.
BAM , there’s that INTRO 😀
Sorry , I LIKE IT !!!!!!!!
That episode of B of B is my favorite….
It showed the ATTRITION of WAR….
I build PLASTIC MODELS, when I do ARMOR / INFANTRY Dioramas,
The BATTLE of the BULGE is the most interesting to me !!!
If you’re a MODEL BUILDER
get the Figure Kit from
DRAGON MODELS
101st AIRBORNE at BASTOGNE …. Great for a diorama….
Again, FOY is my favorite episode………..
WAR n TRUTH ON………..
CHRIS 🇺🇸
Seems obvious why Lt. Spiers was not put up for a commendation: politics concerning Dike being relieved.
It wouldn't have been a good look for anyone involved.
Whether or not Dike was wounded in Foy remains controversial and one soldier (Clancy Lyall), who was there, stated that Dike was shot in the right shoulder and that was why he stopped. Dike did receive two Bronze Stars and a Purple Heart.. While he was not well regarded as an officer by his men (Foxhole Norman), no one can state with certainty what actually happened that day.
yeah Clancy Lyall was on the 30. cal covering the attack and no where close to see Dike plus later when talking with Joe Muccia the #1 historian on Easy Co. he changed his statement to "Well, I thought i saw him hit" , PLUS all the paperwork AAR's , Morning reports , Combat Journals have NO mention of Dike being wounded or evacuated. I was in E/506th Reenacted and knew many of the E co vets including Maj Winters as they would hangout with us at events & airshows.
Its impossible to know for sure. I would have thought that Lipton or Winters would have mentioned it in his writings. Perhaps as I go through the transcripts of others I will find it (there is nothing about in Clancy Lyall's)
Later in years while talking with Joe Muccia (the #1 historian on Easy and was friends with the real men and is close to all the families ) Clancy said "Well, i thought i had seen Dike wounded" and no paperwork mentons him being wounded.
@@2104dogface I agree. This has been very difficult to track down. I have found one mention where Dike did get a Purple Heart and some sources say he received two. But I can't substantiate this from more reliable sources despite going deep down the rabbit hole. Finding the truth remains elusive.
Amazing only one casualty in the attack.
Yes I was surprised by that but then the distance wasn't great and the Germans were initially surprised.
Hi W&T ----- War-photographers - setting up scenes - like that witnessed by Winters - was not uncommon.
Spanish civil war photographer Robert Capa was known for a single frame of a 'Falling soldier' at the moment he is allegedly shot.
That single photograph cemented his reputation - unfortunately for Capra - a close examination of the other pictures on the roll - proved it was fake.
But no-one cared - it was the era of big photo-magazines like 'Life' & 'Picture-Post'. The image of front line fighting was what counted - it did its intended job.
Yes you are right, it was very common in Vietnam as well.
Dike was hit in the opening assault. Winters was going to take over but thought better of it and the first office he saw was Spiers.
Good you didn't delve too much on the supposed wounding of Dyke on the attack. When I was trying to look it up, SO many people are treating that one soldiers statement on it as fact and ignore everything else and used it as some sort of gotcha, like the fact it was not on the after action report, or literally no other soldier near him saw it during or after either.
I think that either Winters or Lipton would have mentioned it in their recollections, but nothing. I put it up there with the Sobel knocking out a machine gun on D-Day myth.
Yeah Clancy Lyall was on the 30. cal covering the attack and no where close to see Dike plus later when talking with Joe Muccia the #1 historian on Easy Co. he changed his statement to "Well, I thought i saw him hit" , PLUS all the paperwork AAR's , Morning reports , Combat Journals have NO mention of Dike being wounded or evacuated. I was in E/506th Reenacted and knew many of the E co vets including Maj Winters as they would hangout with us at events & airshows.
@@War_And_Truth Look it up , He received a Purple Heart for it.
@@ironduke555 Are there any documents/Dates?
@War_And_Truth It's in his records on US Army database. Which anyone can request.
Winters later recorded, he did not remember been approached by Lipton the night before their attack on Foy the next day, regarding Dyke.
Lipton found that very strange. Selective memory perhaps?
Spiers should have received a metal for that.
Yes a silver star at least.
Highest casualty battle besides D DAY correct? Or did I hear what you said wrong.
Highest casualties in a single action. There were more killed on Lieutenant Meehan's C47 on D-day but that is not classed as an engagement.
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RIP Mellett
Another AAA episode my friend!
Thanks Kevin
The guy that went out there for clicks was a joke it's like having today's generation with a phone on the frontline
It was bad timing at the very least.
You made at least one absurd statement. Foy was not the costliest engagement of the war for Easy Company. The loss of Lieutenant Meehan's stick alone on Mission Albany was costlier, excluding any additional losses that followed throughout D-Day.
Thanks for stating the obvious, but that was a plane crash, not an engagement with the enemy. If you take out Meehan's stick, there were still more E Company troopers killed at Foy than the entire Normandy, Holland and Germany campaigns combined (4 killed in Normandy, 3 in Holland and 1 in Germany)
@@War_And_Truth The crash wasn't an accident. The plane was engaged with fire from enemy anti-aircraft guns.
That's an engagement, even if the paratroopers aboard the plane were powerless to fight back.
@ I didn't say it was an accident. Anyway I am not going to convince you otherwise.
@@War_And_Truth How about his, all you have to do is say in some future video, that Foy produced high casualties and was one of the worst incidents in the War for Easy company.
A) That's intellectually honest.
B) More accurate than your claim in this video.
And, most importantly...
C) How an actual, reputable historian behaves when he has a claim disproven.
Good lord people just type Norman Dike in the National Archives it has his military record. He received a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star for his actions at Bastogne. Winters just didn't like him and there is nothing wrong with that. We are all human.
Yeah ok. It wasn't just winters not liking foxhole norman.
Link please.
Yeah no official paperwork back up him being wounded. AAR's, Morning reports, Combat Journal or from any of the medical units there have paper showing him being evaced. Also Later in years while talking with Joe Muccia (the #1 historian on Easy and was friends with the real men and is close to all the families ) Clancy said "Well, i thought i had seen Dike wounded" and no paperwork mentons him being wounded.
Search for Ep22 Easy company Q and A, all credit to Joe on this. He debunks the Dike myths with full research into the archives AND has actually interviewed the vets such as Clancy Lydall and Foley about the incident. First, none of the daily reports around Foy have any record of Dike being wounded in that action or in Bastogne, nor was any paperwork for a purple heart submitted at this time. Two, Clancy Lydall said he THOUGHT he saw Dike was wounded, not he WAS, classic case of Purple Monkey Dishwater. He was also literally the only one to have said something like this, further more according to Lt. Foley, Lydall would not have been in a position to have seen Dike as Lydall was on a support weapon, Foley left his support elements far behind the attack to support the assault (MGs and Mortars). So all the evidence suggests he was not wounded, so unless you have something concrete and able to cite and not just "look it up", the burden of evidence falls on you not the other way around.
Listen, we are not dumping on Dike, we are trying to get the truth and facts, not feelings. It can be true that Dike performed heroism in the past with distinction in his S4 Logistics and Intelligence roles and pulling men to safety, but was completely out of his element when put in command of an Elite Combat company that needed to assault a fortified position requiring him to run across open land without the proper experience or training. Did BoB do him dirty? I think they did, they definitely went too far one way, but then there are so many people defending Dike going too far the other way. As they say, the truth is somewhere in the middle, meaning in BoB there is at least some truth on how he performed. It wasn't just Winters that didn't like him, the majority of easy company did not like him, you do not get the name "Foxhole Norman" for nothing, and it was a fact he was called that by the men. Things aren't black and white.
in E22 Easy company Q and A, all credit to Joe on this. He debunks the Dike myths with full research into the archives AND has actually interviewed the vets such as Clancy Lydall and Foley about the incident. First, none of the daily reports around Foy have any record of Dike being wounded in that action or in Bastogne, nor was any paperwork for a purple heart submitted at this time. Two, Clancy Lydall said he THOUGHT he saw Dike was wounded, not he WAS, classic case of Purple Monkey Dishwater. He was also literally the only one to have said something like this, further more according to Lt. Foley, Lydall would not have been in a position to have seen Dike as Lydall was on a support weapon, Foley left his support elements far behind the attack to support the assault (MGs and Mortars). So all the evidence suggests he was not wounded, so unless you have something concrete and able to cite and not just "look it up", the burden of evidence falls on you not the other way around.
Listen, we are not dumping on Dike, we are trying to get the truth and facts, not feelings. It can be true that Dike performed heroism in the past with distinction in his S4 Logistics and Intelligence roles and pulling men to safety, but was completely out of his element when put in command of an Elite Combat company that needed to assault a fortified position requiring him to run across open land without the proper experience or training. Did BoB do him dirty? I think they did, they definitely went too far one way, but then there are so many people defending Dike going too far the other way. As they say, the truth is somewhere in the middle, meaning in BoB there is at least some truth on how he performed. It wasn't just Winters that didn't like him, the majority of easy company did not like him, you do not get the name "Foxhole Norman" for nothing, and it was a fact he was called that by the men. Things aren't black and white.