I enjoyed watching this video Scott, especially with the comparison of how the scene you photographed with those two trees in B&W has changed through the years.
Thanks so much Ben, I really appreciate it. I was hoping that revisiting a previous location, and showing some older images made there, would be interesting for people. I'm heading back to Coyote Gulch next month. Last visit was in the early 2000's and I'm eager to revisit a few images made back then. One golden glowing cottonwood in particular...
Agreed. It really shows the value in preserving moments in time. That first shot of the two trees is beautiful in its simplicity and balance, and the way they are growing when this video was taken would not have had the same balance & feel to the image. Still an amazing spot though!
Hi Brian. I just now saw this comment! Sometimes I don't get the UA-cam notifications. I wasn't ignoring you I promise! Thanks for your kind words and thoughtful assessment. Yes it's a very special place that has been a large part of photographic life over the years. Take care!
Hi Zachary! Glad you found the video and thanks for watching. I love OMC and the Hocking Hills. I've spent so much time there. Growing up in CMH it was the natural go to place for photography. I frequented all the local state parks too but kept coming back to that area. It's sure changed a lot but there are still wonderful images to be had. Take care!
My word, what a trip down memory lane. I remember going there with my grandparents back in I think '86 during a camping trip. Me and my new, flat rectangular click camera that took that weird table-looking film cartridge! I now I have to compare my meagre, muddy images to yours because I'm recognizing some of my shots with the ones you took, especially in the old man's cave area. ^_^ I remember the days of log bridges and pristine, unbuilt pathways. Good times. Good memories.
Hi Shannon, thanks for watching and glad it brought back some good memories. Growing up in Columbus I started going there as a little kid. It really has changed so much. I was there last summer and the new visitors center is amazing. They've also instituted one-way directional flow inside the gorge to keep foot traffic moving. I guess the crowds have descended there like most other natural areas in recent years. I'd like to see the new lodge, which replaced the original that burned down a few years ago. That new one has finally been rebuilt and reopened last year. Anyway, take care!
Graeme Somerville Thanks Graeme, it’s a very special place; one I always enjoy visiting. I was shocked how many people were there. In the middle of the week on a school day. But I guess that’s happening everywhere now. At least folks are getting out in Nature. Take care and thanks for watching!
Hi Andru! That’s awesome. I’m so jealous; wish I was there now. It’s such a great place with so many opportunities for beautiful photography. Glad you got to visit. Thanks for reaching out. Take care!
Beautiful work--as always! I liked all the images. And it's cool that your 1988 image has held up so beautifully. That is, in fact, quite a magical image!
It's funny because I was very new to LF at that time. Using a borrowed camera and lens, used too much rise and vignetted the top and its Plus-X in D-76 (not exactly a classic landscape combination). Amazing I got anything!
I have been to Old Man's Cave several times. However, during none of those times was there ever as much water as in your trip there. Probably because all the times I was there, it was summer with a lot less rainfall. I think your 1988 photo of the two trees in B&W has held up very well.
Yes, definitely more water in the Springtime. There have been some Spring floods there that have done lots of damage, washing away bridges, etc. It's cool that you've been there. Do you live nearby? I grew up in Columbus so it was a favorite photographic destination. Sadly though, for as many times as I've been there, I really don't have too many images from there that I really like, but I treasure those I do like and always hope for something good on a return trip!
@@ScottWalton I also lived many years in Columbus. I am even an OSU grad. Didn't leave Ohio until I went into the Army. I go back often to visit and am amazed at how the Hocking Hills has changed since the first time I was in the area in 1963. Indeed, the entire area from Columbus to the Hocking Hills has changed greatly--not necessarily for the better vis a vis photography. However, even on 3rd watching that 1988 photo still appeals to me. Congrats!
@@ScottWalton It struck me at the end of the 3rd watch that you really have a unique opportunity of a book--The Hand of Man in the Hocking Hills. You can display your early photos and then a current one showing the changes imposed by man in the development of the park. Seems as if that could be a really nice project. Sorry, for the dual post but this didn't hit me to the end.
Hi Erich! I'm an OSU alum also. That's where I earned my photography degree. Thanks for watching and commenting again. My 1988 "Two Trees" image is one of my favorites. Despite some technical issues I think it still works and is certainly a nice reminder of a very special area.
Erich, that's a very interesting idea as the area certainly has changed. I wish I had more of the 'before' images. I'll have to dig through the archives to see what I have, there could be more than the couple I mentioned in the video. Speaking of changes, they are building a large new visitors' center, basically right on the rim of the gorge, which looks amazing. It wasn't finished the last time I visited but probably will be soon if not now. Also, not sure if you knew the lodge burned down a few years ago and it's still not rebuilt, at least as of when this video was made. I would always eat lunch there after a morning of photography and my friends and I would meet to share our latest prints in one of the gathering areas. Good times that I dearly miss. Take care!
Hi Chris! Thanks! And thanks also for subscribing. It's well worth the trip and there are quite a few other spots in the Hocking Hills very near Old Man's Cave that also have wonderful photographic opportunities. If you're able to devote the time you could stay over near there and take several days to explore them.
Doug Allen Hi Doug. Thanks for subscribing! Do you live around that area? I lived in Columbus for years so it was a frequent destination for photographing. Wish I could make it back more often than I do these days.
It's cool to see another photographer going to Hocking Hills! Feels like walking back through it myself. And its neat that your first photo there was with your dad as well. Mine was with me on all of my first photography adventures and will probably be this year too when I go back to Zion lol. You shot some really cool photos of spots that I had seen but didn't really think too much about, especially the log with the waterfall later in the video. Doing photography in Ohio can be challenging so pulling off photos like these is great.
Hi Nick, thanks for writing and thanks for your kind words. I was actually going to write you today anyway. Right after I started watching Ben's and Alan's channels a couple years ago, yours was one of the first recommendations I got so I watched yours too. I enjoyed seeing you go to the Hocking Hills as well as Zion where I've been going since the mid 1990's. I grew up in Columbus Ohio (I think you're from northern OH somewhere?) so I've spent a LOT of time in the Hocking Hills area over the years. I got my photography degree from Ohio State and worked at a commercial photography studio in downtown Columbus for 10 years before relocating to northwest FL where I live now. I've been using large format since the mid 1980's although I added medium format digital about 10 years ago now. Since watching all the LF guys on UA-cam I've started using LF again and really enjoy it. Maybe I'll see you in Zion this year. I'm planning to drive out, assuming all the covid craziness permits it. Otherwise I'll try more remote areas in southern UT which are always fun anyway. Take care and I look forward to seeing what you're up to.
Scott Walton that’s really cool Scott! My dad also grew up in Columbus, I grew up mostly in Toledo, Ohio. He also went to Ohio State. I really wanna spend at least a week in Zion this year. It’s been three years since I first saw Alan Brock and Ben Hornes videos from Zion and thought about possibly doing film there, so it’s gonna be a long time coming. I really wanna get those photos that I had always dreamed of. If COVID gets in the way, I’ll probably go somewhere else in Utah too. It would be cool if we met there. I ran into Ben by pure chance when I went there in 2017. I also saw your video on light leaks when I was trying to make sure I didn’t have any haha. Probably gonna put that vid I mentioned out in 4 days or so btw. Also, most people say they’re sorry when I tell them I’m from Toledo 😂. I’ve visited family in Columbus many times and it’s a really nice place. I’m definitely thankful to be in Texas now though
Hey Nick. Thanks for all the detail here. In Texas you're a lot closer to all the good stuff in AZ/UT than in OH...or FL! Fingers crossed that we all get to do our southwest photo trips this year. BTW, don't know if you do Instagram but today I posted a picture from northern OH that you might enjoy seeing. @scottwaltonphotograph if you're interested in seeing that. Take Care!
Great video! I enjoyed hiking Hocking Hills in the past. I wish I had been more into photography then! The bridges are a bit disappointing. They're pretty unsightly compared to the rest of the park
Brian Beatty Hi Brian. Thank you very much! Yes it’s a pretty special place. Like everywhere, it’s really getting more popular. The day I made this video was a weekday and school was in session and it was still filled with kids and adults by 9:30a-10a. Fortunately I started early so had a bit of solitude for awhile. Thanks for watching AND subscribing!
@@ScottWalton Wow that's surprising. I would've thought it was a Saturday. I hiked it on a Friday and there were less people than in this, but Saturday was busier. Looks like it even picked up more since I went!
The Devils Bathtub looked to me like a dangerous place down on the lower ledge. Do you think looking at an image inverted makes it easier or more difficult for you? I've heard it said that when seeing a scene upside down, our brains are more likely to see distractions or bright spots because everything is different and our brains don't get lulled by something familiar.
Philip, it's funny, when I was standing there this year, it felt very scary and I would have been hesitant to go down there. But I don't remember feeling that way when I made the image years ago. It's possible that some of my feelings this year were due to the area being very wet and slippery due to recent rains while the surface might have been dry when I ventured down before. It's not very far or difficult to get down, just the consequences of slipping and falling into that swirling water. Everything you've heard about the inverted image is true. Abstracting the image that way does help to just deal with the elements and their arrangement in the scene rather than getting distracted by the reality of it. It's something you have to get used to and certainly viewing right side up is very comfortable but I definitely think you get good results with the inverted image.
Enjoyed seeing this. Looks a lot like the Sipsey Wilderness area north of Birmingham, without the man-made objects. That last photo with the 135 mm at f45.5, that's pretty amazing how you managed to get so much in focus. With the background and trees extending upward, I don't think front tilt would work since it could leave the upper branches and rocks soft. Did you do any movements? Where did you focus? I need a lesson in depth of field performance!
Steve, When I first moved to NW FL I was looking for forests more like I had in OH (decidedly not here in the Panhandle!) and I came across Sipsey and Bankhead in AL. I bought topos for those areas but sadly never made it there. Maybe someday soon. Glad to hear you think it’s somewhat similar to the area in this video as I’d love to explore more places like that. About DoF. You’re right, I don’t think I used any movements. I know I should talk through that more on camera…there were so many people around I barely made it through what I did say. Anyway, the focusing method I use I think I learned from John Sexton (not our workshop but maybe some materials I came across years ago). It requires that you put a millimeter scale ruler on your focusing track somewhere and a mark on the moving focus standard. Then you focus on the nearest thing and note on the ruler where that mark hits. Then focus on the farthest thing and note where the mark hits. Then note how many millimeters are between the two spots. Then you adjust the focus to exactly halfway between those two measurements. Then there is a little table you consult (I have it as a small laminated card I carry) that shows what aperture you have to use for each spread of millimeters. The more MM’s the smaller aperture you need to use. This table is prepared for a circle of confusion that yields very good sharpness. This probably sounds more complex than it is. It’s very quick to use in the field, completely eliminates guesswork and gives fantastic results. I’ll be happy to email you that table and more info if you want. Thanks for watching!
@@ScottWalton Yes, Alan Ross made and installed a mm scale on my camera. I am familiar with that method (just hard to trust without experience), but I don't have a lookup table. I have heard and used 10 as a multiplier times the number of mm difference. In your case, maybe you had 4.5 mm difference in focal points and simply multiply by 10 to get f45.5. BTW, I love my Nikon 300 f9 M lens, I see you have one too!
@@steveh1273 Yes you have it just right. I never noticed the correlation about "Multiply by 10" but you're right. My little table shows it's x10 for critical focus. "Acceptable" focus is multiply by 5 (I always use Critical focus and it's always been rock solid). Yes I love the 300M. Those M and W lenses are so small, light and sharp. Really great. I also have the Fuji 450C which falls in the same category.
I had Steve Grimes make an extension tube attached to a lens board. It works great and lets me use that nice long lens. Once I even had a tube set that included 3 sections that screwed together so you could chose just the right length for the lens you wanted. Anyway, you wouldn't need much of a tube to make a 450 work. You can get it a little longer than you need so you don't over stretch the bellows and allow for some movements. I highly recommend this solution!
Hi Tamalain! Well, it's changed a lot, that's for sure. I grew up in Columbus so I went to OMC quite often, so it's probably been about 40 years that I've been going. It's still an amazing place and under the right conditions is still VERY photogenic. They are building a brand new multistory visitors' center which looks amazing. Can't wait to see it someday on a future visit. Well, thanks for watching!
I enjoyed watching this video Scott, especially with the comparison of how the scene you photographed with those two trees in B&W has changed through the years.
Thanks so much Ben, I really appreciate it. I was hoping that revisiting a previous location, and showing some older images made there, would be interesting for people. I'm heading back to Coyote Gulch next month. Last visit was in the early 2000's and I'm eager to revisit a few images made back then. One golden glowing cottonwood in particular...
Agreed. It really shows the value in preserving moments in time. That first shot of the two trees is beautiful in its simplicity and balance, and the way they are growing when this video was taken would not have had the same balance & feel to the image. Still an amazing spot though!
Hi Brian. I just now saw this comment! Sometimes I don't get the UA-cam notifications. I wasn't ignoring you I promise! Thanks for your kind words and thoughtful assessment. Yes it's a very special place that has been a large part of photographic life over the years. Take care!
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That B&W of the two Trees is superb
Thank you Andrew! It’s one of my favorites.
Love this place..roam for days.
Me too! It’s the best.
Excellent, Scott! I used to live in Columbus for a year, and Hocking Hills was my favorite place to go shoot.
Hi Zachary! Glad you found the video and thanks for watching. I love OMC and the Hocking Hills. I've spent so much time there. Growing up in CMH it was the natural go to place for photography. I frequented all the local state parks too but kept coming back to that area. It's sure changed a lot but there are still wonderful images to be had. Take care!
My word, what a trip down memory lane. I remember going there with my grandparents back in I think '86 during a camping trip. Me and my new, flat rectangular click camera that took that weird table-looking film cartridge! I now I have to compare my meagre, muddy images to yours because I'm recognizing some of my shots with the ones you took, especially in the old man's cave area. ^_^ I remember the days of log bridges and pristine, unbuilt pathways. Good times. Good memories.
Hi Shannon, thanks for watching and glad it brought back some good memories. Growing up in Columbus I started going there as a little kid. It really has changed so much. I was there last summer and the new visitors center is amazing. They've also instituted one-way directional flow inside the gorge to keep foot traffic moving. I guess the crowds have descended there like most other natural areas in recent years. I'd like to see the new lodge, which replaced the original that burned down a few years ago. That new one has finally been rebuilt and reopened last year. Anyway, take care!
What a cool location. Looks like a lot of potential shots. I loved the retrospective and seeing your old images. Thanks for sharing
Graeme Somerville Thanks Graeme, it’s a very special place; one I always enjoy visiting. I was shocked how many people were there. In the middle of the week on a school day. But I guess that’s happening everywhere now. At least folks are getting out in Nature. Take care and thanks for watching!
Just went there today for the first time and filmed scenes of it myself! Such a beautiful park!
Hi Andru! That’s awesome. I’m so jealous; wish I was there now. It’s such a great place with so many opportunities for beautiful photography. Glad you got to visit. Thanks for reaching out. Take care!
Very good video. My family and I went to cedar falls this weekend. It was amazing.
Thanks so much! Great that you live close enough for a weekend visit. It is a very special place.
Beautiful work--as always! I liked all the images. And it's cool that your 1988 image has held up so beautifully. That is, in fact, quite a magical image!
It's funny because I was very new to LF at that time. Using a borrowed camera and lens, used too much rise and vignetted the top and its Plus-X in D-76 (not exactly a classic landscape combination). Amazing I got anything!
I have been to Old Man's Cave several times. However, during none of those times was there ever as much water as in your trip there. Probably because all the times I was there, it was summer with a lot less rainfall. I think your 1988 photo of the two trees in B&W has held up very well.
Yes, definitely more water in the Springtime. There have been some Spring floods there that have done lots of damage, washing away bridges, etc. It's cool that you've been there. Do you live nearby? I grew up in Columbus so it was a favorite photographic destination. Sadly though, for as many times as I've been there, I really don't have too many images from there that I really like, but I treasure those I do like and always hope for something good on a return trip!
@@ScottWalton I also lived many years in Columbus. I am even an OSU grad. Didn't leave Ohio until I went into the Army. I go back often to visit and am amazed at how the Hocking Hills has changed since the first time I was in the area in 1963. Indeed, the entire area from Columbus to the Hocking Hills has changed greatly--not necessarily for the better vis a vis photography. However, even on 3rd watching that 1988 photo still appeals to me. Congrats!
@@ScottWalton It struck me at the end of the 3rd watch that you really have a unique opportunity of a book--The Hand of Man in the Hocking Hills. You can display your early photos and then a current one showing the changes imposed by man in the development of the park. Seems as if that could be a really nice project. Sorry, for the dual post but this didn't hit me to the end.
Hi Erich! I'm an OSU alum also. That's where I earned my photography degree. Thanks for watching and commenting again. My 1988 "Two Trees" image is one of my favorites. Despite some technical issues I think it still works and is certainly a nice reminder of a very special area.
Erich, that's a very interesting idea as the area certainly has changed. I wish I had more of the 'before' images. I'll have to dig through the archives to see what I have, there could be more than the couple I mentioned in the video. Speaking of changes, they are building a large new visitors' center, basically right on the rim of the gorge, which looks amazing. It wasn't finished the last time I visited but probably will be soon if not now. Also, not sure if you knew the lodge burned down a few years ago and it's still not rebuilt, at least as of when this video was made. I would always eat lunch there after a morning of photography and my friends and I would meet to share our latest prints in one of the gathering areas. Good times that I dearly miss. Take care!
Great photos. Tfs.
Thank you!
Love the last shot. Even with the dark shadows, the provia handles it well.
Hi Mike, Thank you! And yes, it did surprisingly well!
Great video. I came here because Ben recommended your channel. I’m 3 and a half hours away by car, I hope to go there some day. Beautiful.
Hi Chris! Thanks! And thanks also for subscribing. It's well worth the trip and there are quite a few other spots in the Hocking Hills very near Old Man's Cave that also have wonderful photographic opportunities. If you're able to devote the time you could stay over near there and take several days to explore them.
Thank you. I've been there countless times. Hope to make it back. We share the same sentiment about natural and man made.
Doug Allen Hi Doug. Thanks for subscribing! Do you live around that area? I lived in Columbus for years so it was a frequent destination for photographing. Wish I could make it back more often than I do these days.
It's cool to see another photographer going to Hocking Hills! Feels like walking back through it myself. And its neat that your first photo there was with your dad as well. Mine was with me on all of my first photography adventures and will probably be this year too when I go back to Zion lol. You shot some really cool photos of spots that I had seen but didn't really think too much about, especially the log with the waterfall later in the video. Doing photography in Ohio can be challenging so pulling off photos like these is great.
Hi Nick, thanks for writing and thanks for your kind words. I was actually going to write you today anyway. Right after I started watching Ben's and Alan's channels a couple years ago, yours was one of the first recommendations I got so I watched yours too. I enjoyed seeing you go to the Hocking Hills as well as Zion where I've been going since the mid 1990's. I grew up in Columbus Ohio (I think you're from northern OH somewhere?) so I've spent a LOT of time in the Hocking Hills area over the years. I got my photography degree from Ohio State and worked at a commercial photography studio in downtown Columbus for 10 years before relocating to northwest FL where I live now. I've been using large format since the mid 1980's although I added medium format digital about 10 years ago now. Since watching all the LF guys on UA-cam I've started using LF again and really enjoy it. Maybe I'll see you in Zion this year. I'm planning to drive out, assuming all the covid craziness permits it. Otherwise I'll try more remote areas in southern UT which are always fun anyway. Take care and I look forward to seeing what you're up to.
Scott Walton that’s really cool Scott! My dad also grew up in Columbus, I grew up mostly in Toledo, Ohio. He also went to Ohio State. I really wanna spend at least a week in Zion this year. It’s been three years since I first saw Alan Brock and Ben Hornes videos from Zion and thought about possibly doing film there, so it’s gonna be a long time coming. I really wanna get those photos that I had always dreamed of. If COVID gets in the way, I’ll probably go somewhere else in Utah too. It would be cool if we met there. I ran into Ben by pure chance when I went there in 2017. I also saw your video on light leaks when I was trying to make sure I didn’t have any haha. Probably gonna put that vid I mentioned out in 4 days or so btw. Also, most people say they’re sorry when I tell them I’m from Toledo 😂. I’ve visited family in Columbus many times and it’s a really nice place. I’m definitely thankful to be in Texas now though
Hey Nick. Thanks for all the detail here. In Texas you're a lot closer to all the good stuff in AZ/UT than in OH...or FL! Fingers crossed that we all get to do our southwest photo trips this year. BTW, don't know if you do Instagram but today I posted a picture from northern OH that you might enjoy seeing. @scottwaltonphotograph if you're interested in seeing that. Take Care!
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Great video! I enjoyed hiking Hocking Hills in the past. I wish I had been more into photography then! The bridges are a bit disappointing. They're pretty unsightly compared to the rest of the park
Brian Beatty Hi Brian. Thank you very much! Yes it’s a pretty special place. Like everywhere, it’s really getting more popular. The day I made this video was a weekday and school was in session and it was still filled with kids and adults by 9:30a-10a. Fortunately I started early so had a bit of solitude for awhile. Thanks for watching AND subscribing!
@@ScottWalton Wow that's surprising. I would've thought it was a Saturday. I hiked it on a Friday and there were less people than in this, but Saturday was busier. Looks like it even picked up more since I went!
The Devils Bathtub looked to me like a dangerous place down on the lower ledge. Do you think looking at an image inverted makes it easier or more difficult for you? I've heard it said that when seeing a scene upside down, our brains are more likely to see distractions or bright spots because everything is different and our brains don't get lulled by something familiar.
Philip, it's funny, when I was standing there this year, it felt very scary and I would have been hesitant to go down there. But I don't remember feeling that way when I made the image years ago. It's possible that some of my feelings this year were due to the area being very wet and slippery due to recent rains while the surface might have been dry when I ventured down before. It's not very far or difficult to get down, just the consequences of slipping and falling into that swirling water. Everything you've heard about the inverted image is true. Abstracting the image that way does help to just deal with the elements and their arrangement in the scene rather than getting distracted by the reality of it. It's something you have to get used to and certainly viewing right side up is very comfortable but I definitely think you get good results with the inverted image.
Enjoyed seeing this. Looks a lot like the Sipsey Wilderness area north of Birmingham, without the man-made objects. That last photo with the 135 mm at f45.5, that's pretty amazing how you managed to get so much in focus. With the background and trees extending upward, I don't think front tilt would work since it could leave the upper branches and rocks soft. Did you do any movements? Where did you focus? I need a lesson in depth of field performance!
Steve,
When I first moved to NW FL I was looking for forests more like I had in OH (decidedly not here in the Panhandle!) and I came across Sipsey and Bankhead in AL. I bought topos for those areas but sadly never made it there. Maybe someday soon. Glad to hear you think it’s somewhat similar to the area in this video as I’d love to explore more places like that.
About DoF. You’re right, I don’t think I used any movements. I know I should talk through that more on camera…there were so many people around I barely made it through what I did say. Anyway, the focusing method I use I think I learned from John Sexton (not our workshop but maybe some materials I came across years ago). It requires that you put a millimeter scale ruler on your focusing track somewhere and a mark on the moving focus standard. Then you focus on the nearest thing and note on the ruler where that mark hits. Then focus on the farthest thing and note where the mark hits. Then note how many millimeters are between the two spots. Then you adjust the focus to exactly halfway between those two measurements. Then there is a little table you consult (I have it as a small laminated card I carry) that shows what aperture you have to use for each spread of millimeters. The more MM’s the smaller aperture you need to use. This table is prepared for a circle of confusion that yields very good sharpness. This probably sounds more complex than it is. It’s very quick to use in the field, completely eliminates guesswork and gives fantastic results. I’ll be happy to email you that table and more info if you want. Thanks for watching!
@@ScottWalton Yes, Alan Ross made and installed a mm scale on my camera. I am familiar with that method (just hard to trust without experience), but I don't have a lookup table. I have heard and used 10 as a multiplier times the number of mm difference. In your case, maybe you had 4.5 mm difference in focal points and simply multiply by 10 to get f45.5. BTW, I love my Nikon 300 f9 M lens, I see you have one too!
@@steveh1273 Yes you have it just right. I never noticed the correlation about "Multiply by 10" but you're right. My little table shows it's x10 for critical focus. "Acceptable" focus is multiply by 5 (I always use Critical focus and it's always been rock solid). Yes I love the 300M. Those M and W lenses are so small, light and sharp. Really great. I also have the Fuji 450C which falls in the same category.
@@ScottWalton I'm jealous, can't focus a 450mm lens at infinity on my camera, only 425mm of length.
I had Steve Grimes make an extension tube attached to a lens board. It works great and lets me use that nice long lens. Once I even had a tube set that included 3 sections that screwed together so you could chose just the right length for the lens you wanted. Anyway, you wouldn't need much of a tube to make a 450 work. You can get it a little longer than you need so you don't over stretch the bellows and allow for some movements. I highly recommend this solution!
I haven't been there in over 40 years.
Hi Tamalain! Well, it's changed a lot, that's for sure. I grew up in Columbus so I went to OMC quite often, so it's probably been about 40 years that I've been going. It's still an amazing place and under the right conditions is still VERY photogenic. They are building a brand new multistory visitors' center which looks amazing. Can't wait to see it someday on a future visit. Well, thanks for watching!
@@ScottWalton I was about 10 last time I was their. They game breaker for me was always those blasted stairs at the low end to climb back out.
Tamalain You’re totally right, those are still a butt kicker.