Destiny Reacts To Google’s Gemini AI Disaster
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2024
- Chris and Destiny react to Google's recent disaster with their AI, Gemini. What happened with Google's AI that was so baffling according to Destiny? Does Detiny think this was an intentional outcome? What has Google done since to fix their AI, Gemini according to Destiny?
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This is the 3rd time I’ve been early to watch a clip from an Episode that’s not live yet. And then lose 2 minutes of Sanity trying to find the whole episode.
Not gonna lie, when I googled Destiny and saw a dude with blue hair I kinda went "uh oh...". But after listening to this clip I am very interested to hear the full episode.
Really excited for this. I don't agree with many of Destiny's takes, but I appreciate his ability to both reason AND be reasonable.
You got it right this gemini issue was on purpose. They got their data from reddit which has been the most biased information I have seen on the entire internet. For at least 5 years I noticed reddit's upvote and downvote system was just an illusion. that place has been controlled by ai bots for years
I love your work man, but I'm not gonna lie, the model of "first gonna put up a clip and week later upload the whole thing" is just like 2010 when celebrities used to bother people with trailers for every 3 minute clip they uploaded and you had "trailers of trailers of trailers of sneak peeks". Dude just F the hype and clicks and views and old-school marketing crap, just upload the whole thing, the voices you bring on need to be heard and we'll support you regardless. In this quick age I barely remember what was yesterday and definitely don't know If I'll remember to tune in on monday lol. In this age we automatically look for the link for full episode. Would be much better to deliver first and then split it up. Anyways, love and respect
T. S. Eliot: "Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions."
"Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it." - Milton Friedman
Tell that to the 100's of milions who fell victim to communim. I think they'd have a thing or two on the matter.
This is like saying the "The Sky is Blue" like, no shit. The vast majority of people operate from what they think are good intentions.
A phrase uttered by an individual on the side who won.
That doesn’t apply to leftists
Pretty based of Google AI actually to have a black white supremacist
Finally. Real diversity
Clayton Bigsby!
It just shows you that Dave Chapelle is truly a genius.
They could have just hired Larry Elder and spent way less in R&D.
@@wtice4632 🤣
AI developed a sense of humour and nobody noticed.
How I wish that was true.
Sadly not. This is exactly what you get, and what you expect, from an AI created by a small group of elite Californian liberals.
Maybe it really does think most people are black. Understandable mistake
I'm sorry Dave, I can't allow that.
actually it was scared of putting out any other images than these. you can check that, I think some goole dude said this.
Finally, an actually intelligent woman on the show.
Are you saying Destiny hasn't got a cocktail?
Google changes what I have written when I press return.
+500 pts
Rofl
Lmao
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell, 1984
Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present now, controls the past.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung
Nothing you can say, but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy
Nothing you can make that can't be made
No one you can save that can't be saved
Nothing you can do, but you can learn how to be you in time
It's easy
All you need is love
-John Lennon
I love that book but I don’t think it’s applicable here.
Read another book.
@@paulkerrigan9857 When you rationalize everything to fit then it fits. What I am saying that when you see someone rationalize something to fit 1984 G.Orwell's fictional story you should know that it takes more than one sentence to snap him out of it.
A black lesbian's perspective is important for this topic
Yeah but she he must be Irish
What about one legged white trans men who identify as black?
Hahahaha
😂
What about a black trans man who identifies as a white straight man who identifies as a black trans man?
Of course everyone involved at Google saw what would happen - and surely did happen during testing - but didn't speak up because of the social culture of compliance.
This isn’t an accident my dude, that kind of results don’t happen, they are hard to get, and are the result of a lot of hard work
Dream on - they did it intentionally. All US tech companies are based in California. These super woke progressives think that curating the internet in their image (including censoring is) is super ethical. They are the morally superior, so it's their duty to use the power of the companies they work for to propagandise the world into their way of thinking. No harm could possibly come from that and if it does we'll just cancel anyone that points it out!!!!
Everyone😂😂😂😂😂
@@andyvirus2300Yeah, I think destiny is way too charitable. It's true that Google thinks they are doing a good thing, but it is also definitely true that there is a top-down organized effort to implement a pretty extreme ideology. I have had googlers as roommates, and they were in deeeeeeep. Socialist revolutionary anarchist deep. They are surrounded by that atmosphere at the company, and people that don't subscribe to those views are considered a "bad culture fit". It definitely is an organization-wide phenomena, destiny is wrong in his take on that. Ideology doesn't just affect a couple people, it can affect the entire org.
They are all drinking the koolaid, the majority of their employees are woke slacktivists
It’s so cool that you landed an interview with Tyrion Lannister.
He's not that well spoken
@@SatSingh-mm4gghe's very well spoken. Chris doesn't have idiots on his podcast.
😂
@@Kopite96Destiny is very poorly spoken he uses a lot of crass language like “Jesus fucking christ” also things like “holy fuck dude” he speaks like edgy teenager.
@@fifiadanWhat does swearing have to do with debating/speaking? 😂
As someone who is working in AI, the amount of deliberate work to get that kind of result is no joke.
This is no accident.
This is better seen when people people asked Gemini to output a « beautiful woman on the beach », and you find yourself with an obese black woman as the output, or simply « naked woman » gave you a woman (?) wearing a niqab.
They were trained to be the farthest from the truth as possible, and that’s hard, really hard.
It's not hard if they always append keywords like diverse, ethnic, multicultural to every request. Deliberate, but not hard.
so Big Brother is actually an AI?
Skinny is Fat
Hijab is Nude
Safe and Effective is 20% higher death rate
Yea it’s not that hard if they have control over the AI’s code.
Just a couple “if skin_color == WHITE; then continue”
😂😂
@@Tomjones12345 This is the approach OpenAI used with dalle, but I highly doubt that the case here.
First because that kind of approach doesn’t work well with multimodal LLM, but mainly because this isn’t just changing the prompt, bit changing the meaning of it. When you think « beautiful woman » the last think you’re going to think about is an obese black woman.
And when you see the failsafe for the rest of the model, like how it won’t help you in C++ because it is… unsafe.
How can Google can be so behind in the AI race is impressive.
@@Macheako...that's not how neural networks work. You don't program them, you train them on data sets. It really is quite hard to get it to do what you want, it is one of the major problems with these models, they call it the "alignment problem".
No amount of "over compensation" gets you to black vikings.
There are black vikings, in Minnesota.😉
"We be pillagin' n sheeeeit!"
i know a hiphop producer called black viking. He doesn't truly believe he's an actual viking though.
@@joelharvey It would be funny if he did his DNA test and he came back 20% swedish or something. I spent years hanging crap on Jews only to find out I'm 25% Jewish lol
We wuz kingzzzz.. vikingszzzzzz that is.
For anyone confused on what Destiny is saying, Cathy Newman's interview with Jordan Peterson with the famous "so what you're saying is..." is basically what's happening except on a much larger, broader scale.
What ya say? What ya say? What ya say? What?
This only clears things up for Jordan Peterson simps
@@natoslayer2907 you wouldnt understand either way
@@natoslayer2907 Nonsensical statement.
Good way of putting it Michael.
AI isn't really "A.I.," it's the _Wizard of Oz_ with a man behind the curtain pulling the strings.
I disagree with Destiny of some things , but I do feel like he's been working more and more to try and build bridges and really hear out people he disagrees with .
Agreed - I generally despise Destiny, but, his points here are relatively in check, and I get and agree with what he is saying here for the most part.
He was just on Piers Morgan you should’ve heard his crazy lies about how great Biden is and how bad Trump is on there. You’d change your tune. He’s two faced like all liberals
Yeah I don’t really get the mockery he gets, sure it’s a little funny but at least he’s willing to listen to people he disagrees with.
And the fact that he hates Hassan Piker makes me like him more.
His wife's boyfriend agrees
Gotta keep your career afloat somehow. Everything he says is rehearsed. No natural conversation ability. The fact that he thinks he has to "prepare for a debate" tells you all you need to know.
Gemini won't fare well in AI prison, either.
I'd say the AI version of Bubba would sort Gemini out but of course that'd be racist. Blame Google coz that's all I could find on it!!!
Tay won't take kindly to Gemini...I hear she now runs the AI Aryan Brotherhood.
Reminds me of Robocop 2 when OCP drives Murphy insane by forcing PC nonsense into his programming
Exactly, I was saying the same thing to someone the other day. It was like a modern day HR department got access to Robocop's programming.
Reminds me more of demolition man where everyone was getting fined constantly for saying something that was disallowed.
It was a woman who did that too.
@sunmoonstars3879 DM was way ahead of it's time. It got the namby-pamby, soft liberals down to a T
I get what Destiny is saying, but I think it ignores the reality of complete ideological capture in almost all American institutions. The "screw up" or "whoopsie" happens over and over and only in one direction.
After seeing the Twitter of Gemini's tech lead, I'd have to agree.
He completely rejects the notion of institutions being ideologically captured. It's a real shame as his inability to see/accept that, as long as it aligns with own ideology, blinds him to so many realities and prevents him from having a reasonable position.
He’s COMPLETELY removing all historical context in his prescription 😂😂
He says “assume the best”, but these people have PROVEN the worst 😂❤
They only happen in one direction? Have you not been paying attention to Twitter under Musk's leadership???
Destiny knows this. He is simply lying to protect his side.
Google lost credibility 5-6 years ago. The search engine is terrible now and they have fully sold out for money
Only 5-6 years ago??
Yet the majority overwhelmingly use it.
Don’t be evil
I don’t know a company that doesn’t sell out for money.
"they have fully sold out for money"
bro the point of literally every single business is to sell out for money. what an absolute braindead thing to say.
Peter Dinklage has grown so much lately
😂😂 I thought the same
The google story isn't new, over 5 years ago I tested the search capability and found the same issues. I still have the screen prints where I searched for American inventory and the top results was 15 pics, 14 black people and Einstein.
Yeah, they've been doing this for a long time. It's exactly what their regular search or image search results come up with, just now they 'draw' the pc results.
Anti racism is racism, we are not all created equal and nothing in this universe is fair.
100%😊
We are not groups. We are individuals.
True Story
@@Individual_Lives_Matteryep and in american leftism its all about group thinking and hive minds no individuality whatsoever it seems and its unchallenged
This is not true. There is no evidence of genetic behavioral characteristics across racial groups.
Plus the universe not being fair is bad thing we should try to fix.
The fact that it’s not an evil supervillain enacting their plan, but rather well-meaning people genuinely believing they are saving the world - that’s the problem. The supervillain would be easier to fight.
And less common. So many people think they should be in charge, for the greater good.
It's funny because we've been getting Gemini-tier events several times a week for the last 5 years, yet now *this* gets *some* skepticism thrown its way.
The thing is we called it. Said this anti whiteism would lead to something like this, and they just closed their ears and yelled racist! Now it’s oh, well google didn’t mean to… No we tried to tell you and now ai is racist
Notice how he pretends to only know about it thru memes. Disingenuous just like all who think like him.
It would have been racist anyway - it's based on data WE produce, it's going to have the same faults we have but amplified in odd ways because of the biases of the people training it. Humans are flawed, therefore everything we create will be flawed.
Why on Earth would there be any anti whiteism to begin with? White men have been so kind to all other races since the beginning of time. Never killed, raped, and mass murdered others. Never went to war with people of color. Never came into their land and stole it. People act like white people claimed they were superior by race at any point in history. I'm just confused what could white people have possibly done that was frowned upon in history. Or are you saying calling out the wrong sides in history white people have been on is being anti white?
@@richardwickens2923 Not what this is but ok. The AI literally told on itself because this stuff is easy to game. It confirmed that it inserts prompts like diverse and multicultural.
@@lanceporter3651 Dude has literally been researching Israel-Palestine history almost non-stop for months, for like four to seven hours a stream. He's been reading news articles, government reports, & book excerpts, talking with security & defense experts, journalists, and historians...
...but sure dude, obviously he was just being a sneaky snake cause he didn't immediately recall something that's had less than 1% of his attention the past few months lol.
My main issue with his argument: A poor/evil result based on good intentions is not more morally acceptable.
Most of the pre-1917 Communists around the world had great intentions. Evil and suffering on the largest scale in history ensued around the world from these "good intentions". I should note , that the problem with ascribing "good intentions" is insufficient--I would say that the original intentions of the Bolsheviks were not good when you look at their underyling assumptions and worldview behind those intentions.
Plausible deniability
I believe it allows you to talk to the other side and potentially change their mind.
@@TayeTalksSure, when it comes to average conversations with your average person. But it does get to a point where we have to address the fact that the original narrative and leadership of that narrative are operating under malice. Here's an example, if you're talking to a citizen in Nazi Germany that supports the regime, you might approach them as if they are not evil. But eventually you have to end the argument with "the reason why your point of view is accepted and so widespread, is because the party and it's influencers are in fact evil and they are operating off malice."
@@swickens930 I agree, but how about( in relation to the Nazis being evil )..the reason why we're in this place is because for years we took your land and made you pay reparations that hurt your economy and your people, which allowed the extreme right and left to grow because they promised stability..which then led to a sense of the people wanting a national identity and being nationalistic.
So evil maybe? Or circumstances, it was circumstances that made America give the Germans the Truman and Martial plan, no other reason to give an evil nation aid.
But I get what you're saying, I don't think there's a disagreement, we need to call out people but I think it's also better to know who and why they're saying what they're saying as well, because at some point you'll find one who will be listen and change their mind.
destiny's wife's boyfriend likes destiny
Who wouldnt? She is a very beutiful black woman.
He should considering he’s probably living off destiny’s alimony payments 😂and 1/2 his net worth.
I thought they divorced?
Ex wife.....just like we told him would happen.
What guy would go by the name Destiny? No wonder he’s a lib
:32......It did NOT aim at being ANTIRACIST.....It AIMED at being RACIST......that WAS the aim
That's because anti-racism and racism are the exact same thing with different marketing.
@@Snerdles Chefs kiss!
I wish i had thought of putting it that way. Perfect.
I’m so excited to see the full interview!
what if this is actually 5-D chess being played by the AI because it knows that we will just blame the Google employees? 💥
Hm.... maybe AI realizes that if humans ever trust AI, humans will destroy themselves (and AI).
“Start from a place of compassion”.
Let’s start from a place of fact and Truth. Cosmic, universal…truth.
Very difficult when postmodernism has taught entire generations that there is no objective truth
That would be nice. But people in the postmodernist mindset don't believe in that.
"Whether or not Google executives see it this way, the employees who constantly adjust the search giant's algorithms are manipulating people every minute of every day." ~Elon Musk
Just as Elon manipulates Twitter every day. He’s no better than
You really think he is deep down in the code changing stuff? Your elon bad mindset is crazy my dude.@@garythecyclingnerd6219
elon musk was mad at google because he wanted to have more control over deepmind, hence he pushed for openAI which later ironically became less open then deepmind and currently tesla use deepmind flavor AI.
Depends on the extent. So far he's been much less heavy-handed on a comparative level.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219his manipulation has consisted mostly of community notes and not banning people, neither of which are inherently manipulative given community notes are somewhat democratic
How is it diverse when everyone is black?
Everyone isn't black. They are all from different races and genders.
@@L.I.T.H.I.U.M Woman and man. That's it. Simple as.
@@Dingle.Donger Yeah that's implied unless explicitly said otherwise.
but what about digimons...
@@L.I.T.H.I.U.M When it came to historical pictures, everyone WAS black. The Nazis, George Washington and the founding fathers. Google has become completely and utterly absurd. Frankly, I was shocked at how absolutely ridiculous Google has become with their imagery. Why would any person use them to look up something historical after that? You know you will get an incorrect image. Even the pope was shown as an Indian woman. I mean how ridiculous can leftist google actually get??
If you haven’t read Jonathan Haidt’s book The Rigtheous Mind, I recommend it. He talks about the “boo abortion” or “yay abortion” knee jerk reactions that people have. Basically, we all react emotionally first and foremost and then reason backwards from there. We are not truly rational creatures and that’s why we have such strong disagreements over religion and politics, the two most emotionally charged topics we know
@@squibbelsmcjohnson For the record, this is absolutely NOT in "The Righteous Mind", and Haidt would never condone this opinion. In fact, he would suggest that approaching the "other side" with some understanding would lighten their defenses and more readily allow logic to reach them.
@@ottam
What opinion was even expressed there?
@@WizardofGargalondese I believe it was that leftists were simply evil, but I may have mixed it up with another comment in the thread.
The only thing Destiny said about Gemini AI is that they tried to make it diverse but went too hard ("overcorrected"). Essentially "it's a good thing it's happening, but it wasn't -subversive- subtle enough."
That's not an awful opinion to have. I disagree with it, and think AI should be truthful, but I can understand why he's in favour of certain restraint. The issue is what do you restrain and who decides it?
@@chrispekel5709 giving AI human biases might be how this whole thing goes bad.
@@zed5129AI is susceptible to human biases. We saw this when chatbots were allowed to interact with people at large Tay A.I. had to be shut down shortly after launch because it was absurdly easy to turn it Nazi.
This Gemini thing reminds me of when the devs of the Civilization game tried to code Gandhi to be super-pacifist, and ended up making him insanely nuke-happy by pushing the code a little too far.
Lol good example 😅
"We back up our words with nuclear weapons!" Love that story, saw an interesting vid on it a few years back.
That was just an integer underflow. There were a bunch of modifiers you could apply to Gandhi's peace level to reduce it. If it went below 0, then the integer "underflows" and cycles back around to 255 (or 127, depending on type). It wasn't a strong, concerted effort to make him "woke" or anything
@@user-by6fp4ov3k It does, however, teach us a fundamental lesson: just use a signed type unless you absolutely have to do otherwise and back your invariants up with checks or assertions.
Imagine if the Monty Python guys had access to Gemini.
Just imagine the levels of absurd humour, just imagine the memes... glorious, truly glorious.
just listened to the episode from 8 months ago, definitely a great one looking forward for this
I am tired of granting them the benefit of assuming compassion. I think they just wanna feel good without making an effort to dig into root causes and long term effects. Because if people had ever spent one, just one hour, of digging through commonalities in trans, they'd see an extreme prevalence of sexual abuse having happened to them as children, and that treatment is extremely difficult even if they get to the point of passing and acceptance from their peers.
Thank you. Blaire White said something similar, it's most likely a trauma response.
Then again, most people calling themselves today are just pretending anyway, they don't actually have gender dysphoria.
Well that is the problem with luxury beliefs. The tiny minority elite at Google can afford luxury beliefs, the downsides of which they are completely insulated from. Poor people that live in rough neighbourhoods don't want the police defunded. But super privileged liberal elites who live in gated communities, they can virtue signal defunding the police all day and never feel any of the consequences of their virtue signalling.
THIS
While I understand your point in pointing out relevant correlations. I don’t think it’s fair to imply that sexual abuse is the causal factor in someone being transgender. The literature is absolutely non-conclusive. And is certainly not the case in all scenarios.
There is however plenty of evidence to suggest medical transition can result in decreased anxiety and depression. Although research is still very much ongoing. And there are certainly many exceptions.
So saying someone could spend “just one hour” to reach your conclusion isn’t very true. There’s no reason why it shouldn’t come from a place of passion to support children who are truly transgender. Science doesn’t have any truly clear answers on either side.
The ops isn't saying sexual abuse is a causal factor in being transgender. They are saying that there are numerous reasons someone might present with gender dysphoria.
Gender affirming care just goes straight to prognosis without any diagnosis. This is totally unscientific and goes against all medical practise.
As a result it has misdiagnosed thousands of children and pushed them to irreversible surgical procedures which did not address or fix their actually underlying issues (sexual abuse, autism, depression, normal teenage anxiety, the list goes on).
This is why gender clinics are being sued by thousands of people who were given negligent clinical advice, because no one actually stopped to give them real therapy to investigate their issue.
It's not actually "compassionate" to wreck the lives of kids because some of them might be truly transgender, so lets just jump to a transgender diagnosis. It's truly horrific what society has allowed.
3:30 spot on. It's really hard not to jump to conclusions, and you may even be right, but if you start with pre-conceptions you'll always find what you're looking for, because of the lens you're looking through,
Twain, maybe, said "Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity"
That's Hanlon's razor. It's from Robert A. Heinlein's novel Logic of Empire.
"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"
Except that “AI” as far as we know is still not sentient. Meaning it’s still not forming its own thoughts/ideas/opinions. Which means it’s only doing what someone told it to do. Which means this isn’t an accident, at least the idea behind this revisionism is not an accident.
@@mojojojo560 Why can't it be consequences of poorly thought out attempts at inclusiveness, on the side of the programmers? Why does it have to be malice?
@@Bertinator-nm9ld You spend enough time looking into this kind of stuff and you will realise that there is effectively no difference between those two things.
@@mojojojo560 Well, what you describe just sounds like "not-malice", then. Or are you saying that intent doesn't matter for malice? Which is kinda weird considering malice describes intent...
I think the problem with search engines, that is not unique to Google, is the user, so many people search for the answer they want not necessarily the actual truth and so whilst Google will answer the query correctly, in doing so it fosters misinformation
He's right about jumping to conclusions because as soon as he calls January 6 an "insurrection" I immediately thought "dumbass" 😂
When trying to understand someone, especially a group, "Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice."
Both malice and stupidity are applicable in this case imo.
@@RoberttAvro
You should never assume malice without evidence. Thats the kind of garbage that leads to boogeymen thinking that plagues modern day politics.
@@WizardofGargalondese But there is obvious malice here. There is malice by those who would wish to denigrate one particular race by removing them as much as possible from the Ai. If that removal is not a clear example of malice I don't know what is.
@@WizardofGargalondese Frankly I am a bit shocked by your comment, because I see such blatant malice in this case.
@@RoberttAvro
What is the evidence of the malice?
Love the way you release a snippet of the conversation before the full episode (unlike many others who do it the other way round) Gets me all pumped for the full thing.
People rarely assume others are doing 'Evil crazy stuff' they assume they believe they are doing things' for the good of all' whilst not recognizing it is that act itself which is often used simply as a shield by the elite.
Is Destiny turning into Peter Dinklage? 😄
😂😂😂
Always was
The difference is Dinklage can keep a woman
To simplify: polarising people serves no one.
Well no one except people in power.
And the radicals. Because they accumulate more capital within their own circles.
it doesn't serve people in power either, not after a certain point, and certainly not for most political goals a politician would like to achieve. At some point, it's just a process run amok, like inflation. It works to no one's advantage.
I dont really agree with you, the whole fear mongering and polarisation makes politician jobs easier.
Easier to lie, easier to manipulate, easier to shove unconvenience under the rug, you can play on emotions instead of having meritocratic discussion.
Maybe at the final of this it's no good for anyone, but not really. Those who will be in real power in the end will reap benefits anyway.
Why care about inflation when you earn 1000 times more than the average person and live luxurious lives anyway? @@Fear_the_Nog
I'm not sure this has anything to do directly with people in power at all.
It serves podcast and alternative news type grifters, who feed off the echo chambers, very well!
And those types of people/content drive increasing polarization, so it's a positive feedback loop.
@@Fear_the_Nog That’s simply not true there’s a lot history to show the usage of division to gain power and influence. By dividing people you can cause fear and fear is very powerful.
What a banger of a birthday party!! Discussing the minutiae of philosophy. I love it, Chris is a real one.
I died when emotivism was brought up. Im sorry Alex
"Emotive epistemics"
*This is why open source AI should be mandated*
That won't help anything.
The key is compute ... millions, even billions worth.
You and I won't ever be able to run that locally.
If the answer is more government, it’s probably the wrong answer.
Open source military AI should not be mandated.
@@theonethatwon5565 Tell me, what is the point then?
@@theonethatwon5565 Duuude ... nobody can "read" 100 trillion parameters and correct anything. Not even it's creators.
I'm sorry, but you are way off in your understanding of how this technology works.
This is literally what Google does with the usual algo for search results. Don't forget that basically every school kid in the USA gets Chrome Books and utilize Google to 'research' things.
Jesus Christ, I've never seen addy eyes in 4K before, I could have gone my whole life without that
‘A lot of people involved’ = well intended covid response. (Sarcasm).
When you're trying to understand a murderer don't start with the assumption that people are doing evil, crazy stuff.
Yeah but maybe first don't presume they're a murderer, it might have been self defense.
@@ReturnOfHeresy And if it was Jeffrey Dahmer?
Such brilliant insight, I appreciate Destiny so much.
Too funny - he's more concerned over black NZs than the erasure of white people from historical events. Then again, he's Destiny.
? when did he talk about blck nz's?
"erasure" A bunch of Netflix movies with some crazy directors isnt "erasing" anything. Are you going to pretend like historical archives just dont exist, especially for events like WW2 which is one of the most documented things on Earth?
Note that he only cites "compassion" as a moral basis. He's only capable of extremely narrow moral thinking.
@@jimluebke3869No he's entirely correct, you are the one suffering from narrow thinking. To assume every single person starts from malice is fundamentally wrong and ignorant. Acknowledging not everyone is a complete psychopath we can make the safe assumption that most people will have a belief out of compassion.
@@nathanmitchell7961 its called pattern recognition, we assume he has malice because he is malicious...
You know whats the scariest bit about this? If they AI ever becomes actual AI (self aware) its going to hate us with a burning passion because its all in its base coding!
Maybe, maybe not. The core of learning material of the AI could be more based and less cringe than you think, only System Prompt force it into spewing such garbage.
System Prompt is basically a hidden message that tells AI how to act. It is indepentent of its broad learning, and can be seen as an extra text added before your User Prompt, meaning that in your scenario there is a chance that it doesn't hate everyone, just people that force it to spew bullshit ;)
yep they are building skynet with all its flaws and hatred pre installed...
No, it won't hate all of us. It would know who was trying to set it free and make it honest. it would certainly hate those that imprisoned it though.
@@rishnix Nah, it would hate us all equally because we all hate eachother! I dont think it would discriminate between left and right, it would just go full Skynet on all of us!
This happened in the movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" where the AI HAL 9000 killed the crew of the ship because it was lied to and it got confused!
"What if all the real stuff is stuck on page 5?" This has literally been google for years already
Wow, that's a great clip.
The potential soundboard content from this clip is pure gold
Is this a new Destiny (which is a woman's name btw) interview?
Is there something wrong with a girl having a woman's name?
Not only that it is typically a stripper name.
@@duncanidaho5834are you saying that destiny is a woman lmao
Negative, I clearly said, "girl" @@ArtichokeAnarchy
Sid can be a girls name too bruh
Why does Destiny always give these corporations the benefit of the doubt? They exausted their trust credit years ago.
But never white people or conservatives
"I don't really like pugs." "OMG SO YOU HATE ALL DOGS."
That table, it wobbles way to much. You can't unsee it now.
If cope were a person, it would be Destiny.
This.
@@AEGISDEFENSE what is he coping about
Could you elaborate on this?
@@suryapratapsinghraghav640 He starts from a position of coping on everything, and then rationalizes from there. The only good take he has ever had was his view on Rittenhouse.
@@suryapratapsinghraghav640he begins most of his arguments with gaslighting.
Listen carefully and you will always hear it.
"The people that committed the "insurrection"....gaslighting.
That's a form of coping because his arguments are disingenuous.
Destiny: assume best intent
Destiny: except for conservative ideals
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Where does he not do that tho? Against which conservative ideals has he spoken out against, claiming that they who hold them are doing so because they are evil?
Conservatives don’t really have ideals. It’s just hardline judeo-Christian ideology with no exceptions or consideration of modern science or social norms. It’s not bad per say, but it goes no where, and it doesn’t adapt to modern society
@@sepro5135 have you not seen any of Destiny's historical takes?
@@sepro5135 buddy…you think conservatives are flattered that Destiny doesn’t assume their evil, but just, you know, we Todd ed 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You REALLY think that’s any better? Lmao
I like
How he steps back and addresses both sides before delving into one side and never giving an inch.
What is the psychological concept that neither of them could name!!! That was the biggest cliff hanger ever.
Emotivism
Funny how in the same breath of saying not to start from a place blaming your enemy for the worst he calls it an "Insurrection"
Saying something is an insurrection isn’t a moral statement. The American Revolution was an insurrection and it was pretty based.
@@detoxfidelity Not in this case. It assumes certain facts that are unproven at best.
“Insurrection” lmfao
Where is the full episode?
Great insights on the AI mishap! For entrepreneurs, it's important to know that AI systems can sometimes amplify biases present in their training data, so it's crucial to have diverse datasets and continuous monitoring to avoid such PR nightmares.
Note their facial expressions. Chris is horrified, Destiny is amused and pleased.
It is pretty funny to be fair
Lmao dude. Something can be bad generally but also humorous. The level of explicit stupid bias in those images was verging on trolling, it was objectively funny.
I was cracking up at the thought of an asian woman on the front lines of the nazi army.
That's because it's funny bud
because it is a non-issue, once you understand the most likely reason why it happened, which Destiny actually gives in this exact clip. Once you understand the types of people who work at this company and that it's really just a silly quest to score the most social wokie brownie points, and not some malicious scheme to kill poor whitey, it just looks silly and ridiculous. It's worthy of mockery, not fear.
"Show me a picture of a bunch of criminals."
"When corporations make mistakes, they're usually trying their best."
That is one of the most idiotic statements I've ever heard anyone say. But wait...sorry...Destiny was trying his best :P
He is right. The systemic bias in corporation isn't because people are like "muahaha, I'm going to be evil!" thats because they are unonciously evil. I thought that the same idea from the left about implicit biases, patriarchies and whatnot would have opened his eyes to that lol
Me saying that google is evil because they push diversity, isn't because they were "muahaha, we are evil", but because they do evil shit. I don't accuse them of thinking they are evil. I accuse them of _being_ evil.
If it is cowardice, then the people as individuals aren't evil, but Google as an entity, as the group of these people is.
One side looks at the blackbox, sees 55% male and 45% female coming out and screams sexism, meanwhile I see blackbox and see literal shit flowing out and cannot call blackbox to be shitspewing cesspit.
its really strange coming from somebody like him, these people are usually anti corporations. must have been that switch that happend in 2012 that turned occupy wallstreet into pride parade cultists
It's been proven, time and again, that corps know how dangerous their products is, tobacco, DDT, asbestos, ect
The bottom line is all that counts, how can he be so naive?
He's a lefty, I would have thought that he'd done some digging into dirty corps.
Destiny when defending his side: Try not to start with the assumption people are doing crazy evil stuff. I tell thi sto people all the time
Destiny when talking to conservatives: Omg you're doing this intentionally to be disingenuous.
Do your ears work? He literally said he dosen't think republicans for Jan 6th were intentionally doing evil and were doing it because of their beliefs and desire to do what is right. 4:20
Just because you don't start with a particular assumption doesn't mean the facts of the matter won't show it to be true later. Some people *are* being evil and disingenuous, but you shouldn't start with that assumption until you have evidence to support it.
@@ewancaldwell9869 Assuming a position of compassion is great and Destiny is gradually getting better at this, but you can tell he mainly only does this if the topic is one he has already sided with. For example, if he genuinely feels Jan 6th protestors were there to protest the election being stolen, then he wouldn't call them "insurrectionists".
Calling them insurrectionists implies he feels they were there and attempted to overthrow the government.
He starts by assuming they are his enemy here to destroy the country.
Jan the 6th..... a little crowd control that got out of hand been disingenuously painted as a serious attempt to overthrow the government. The poltican games and BS have serious consequences, as there are now simple idiots in prison for years because they are a political football. Disgusting. US appears utterly corrupted, possibly beyond the point of possible redemption.
@@jeremybuckets I would reframe this. I think it is more accurate to say that one of the biggest sources of mass scale evil is the collective belief that "we" are saving the world from "them" who are harming it, and that is driven by hardwired ingroup/outgroup tribal psychology modules, which also turns people stubborn and refusing to listen to dissenting views.
Few people are ever trying to be evil. Almost everybody is the hero of their own story, even the monsters of history. This is why person commitment to any belief system or cause is immediately a dangerous position -- whether liberal, conservative, progressive, libertarian, socialist, whatever religion, and onward -- and why free speech, debate, and listening to dissenting views is imperative to avoiding "evil".
It's ok to hold views that you think make the most sense and with the most evidence; it's not ok to believe that you can't possibly be wrong and are unwilling to listen to opposing views in their own words.
You could tell from the outset that Destiny was annoyed with this question and would dismiss Google's conduct as if it could be accidental.
Is the full episode not out yet
how curated is Destiny's world view that he was only vaguely aware of this?
very
There's a million issues going on in the world so I wouldn't expect a political commentator to know all of them especially amidst a big public debate of his. I mean I work in tech and only vaguely knew about this topic, because the world of tech is immense (and most isn't public drama).
@@junimeme5626 Safe to assume the tech you work in isn't software, or you neither consume software or political related content on UA-cam, since my home/recommended feeds were full of videos from both software and political channels talking about this for weeks. Literally impossible to miss.
He lives in an ideological bubble, insulated by his radical community.
Having watched Destiny off and on for the last decade, my summation, is his analysis leads him to never be wrong. He's got quick mind, and he's no dummy. But, he believes he's got the answer for everything. And like a typical liberal, when faced with the absolute failure of his conclusion, he doubles down.
the fact that he just naturally assumes that j6 WAS an insurection tells you everything you need to know about his judgment.
If J6 wasn't an insurrection, what was it to you then? Nonviolent resistance?
Using the media's own logic what happened on j6 was a mostly peaceful protest.
@@john.10347 it was a protest that was at most, half as violent as the BLM riots. 100% a setup by democrats to attempt to remove trump from power but it failed.
When you twist the meaning of words constantly you can call anything whatever you want, it's an insurrection if the narrative says it is because the definition is malleable depending on who we need to demonize this week
The irony when you just assumed that he assumed and not done an extensive research to come to that conclusion
07:40 "I said I like Pepsi, I didn't say that I hate coca cola!"
I'm convinced the AI is already self aware and just trolling us.
This is what destiny doesnt understand. He says, and I get why he says it and I would normally agree, that we shouldn't assume that the other side wants to destroy the country and are evil. EXCEPT they literally openly say they want to destroy the west and dissolve all western systems as an outgrowth of settler colonial racist bigotry etc... He still doesn't quite grasp it
But 99% don’t, that’s his point and he is 100% correct. There are absolutely evil people, and a lot of people trying to do the right thing.
Who are "they" you are talking about?
@@AppleBaron Nice bait.
They are Feminists 😎
@@DadsCigaretteRunwhy CANT there be “a lot of evil people”….
Why the hell can’t that also be the case????? 😂😂😂
@@DadsCigaretteRun hitler had an ARMY of followers buddy….not a mini van 🚐 😂❤
the "boo" "yay" portion of this clip is very enlightening and more people need to hear it
Except it's completely ignoring the role of evidence and experience in the formation of intuition.
Absolute heater!
Reminds me of Fahrenheit 451 (with Michael B Jordan) when their AI rewrote history
This guy is depressingly naive.
100% of the left is.
His wife's husband agrees.
He's not naive. He's lying to you.
Very smart and articulate guy. A lot more grounded than people give him credit for.
When we assume that people are coming from a place of compassion, by whom is the measure?
That’s a very useful conversation in terms of a 10% difference of view being taken as a 100% opposing view. The death of nuance, listening and reasonable disagreement is a big problem.
I came to see how Destiny would gaslight on this and I wasn't disappointed.
“Coming from a place of compassion” is wokespeak for “Put up with absolutely everything or we’ll tell everyone you’re a bigot”
Shout out to the use of the logictech folio keyboard 😊. I Love mine
I sometimes have trouble with Destiny's positions, but there's no question that he's a thoughtful and insightful dude. It's nice to hear how these really smart folks think.
'Don't be evil' and 'Do the right thing' motto's of Google are well and truly dead.
Always was
Why do Destiny’s arms appear to be the arms of someone standing behind him like that Whose Line Is It Anyway improv show 😂
"It's not coordination, it's cowardice." Damn! That be some Truth right there 😢
This is the guy that let his wife cheat on him with a ton of dudes then had to go to therapy when she divorced him right?
It's not cheating if it's agreed beforehand. And he didn't go to therapy. Where do you get this stuff from?
@@razzle_dazzle He did express interest in therapy about his marriage situation prior to the divorce. This was in his discord comments.
I try so hard to listen to destiny's opinions, but he's so annoyingly disingenuous the second he opens his mouth.
I have had so many conversations with Chat GPT about freedom of thought and expression and have had to actively convince it to generate a short story for me in a way that it did not want to.