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    Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer.
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  • @LexClips
    @LexClips  2 місяці тому +35

    Full podcast episode: ua-cam.com/video/1X_KdkoGxSs/v-deo.html
    Lex Fridman podcast channel: ua-cam.com/users/lexfridman
    Guest bio: Norman Finkelstein and Benny Morris are historians. Mouin Rabbani is a Middle East analyst. Steven Bonnell (aka Destiny) is a political livestreamer.

    • @ViCT0RiA6
      @ViCT0RiA6 2 місяці тому +8

      youre sick for monetizing this type of content while innocent people and children are being starved and killed in Palestine. there is no debate and youre beyond wrong for platforming this as such.

    • @gh0st409
      @gh0st409 2 місяці тому +2

      Enough of this idi0t in your show bro.

    • @ollienl5249
      @ollienl5249 2 місяці тому +2

      @@ViCT0RiA6 One man's death is another man's bread. That is how the world works since the day it all started. You cannot shame one for practicing what is hardcoded in their DNA. That includes you too, young lady.

    • @VinylCP
      @VinylCP 2 місяці тому +3

      Isn't allowing people to damn themselves on a public platform essentially a net positive? Idk why you'd be salty that Lex takes some $ home as a result of his making it available.

    • @Zoe_r146
      @Zoe_r146 2 місяці тому +1

      Im supposed to take a college dropout seriously? Who uses wikipedia as a source? Who debates on discord ? And Interrupts? Gtfo theres 3 scholars and 1 idiot.

  • @nighttrain1565
    @nighttrain1565 2 місяці тому +5552

    The fact destiny has a seat at the table is absolutely hysterical

    • @burtdandy5755
      @burtdandy5755 2 місяці тому +33

      viewers only

    • @TheLozeszkur
      @TheLozeszkur 2 місяці тому

      the fact that anybody gives this idiot any platform is unbelieveable.

    • @HostileTakeover555
      @HostileTakeover555 2 місяці тому +637

      Why? What specifically did he present that was incorrect? Respected Benny Morris agreed with him numerous times through out.

    • @SerenaLi-dl9bl
      @SerenaLi-dl9bl 2 місяці тому +689

      He was way better than Norm. I don’t know if Norm should have a seat at any table.

    • @abdc2990
      @abdc2990 2 місяці тому +361

      ​@@HostileTakeover555I would give OP the benefit of the doubt here, I think it's funny to see D-man who didn't know jack about this topic 5 months ago being so quick on his feet to dunk on the supposed most fampus pro palestine academic currently.

  • @upstanding_citizen
    @upstanding_citizen 2 місяці тому +2760

    Hamas stole a piece of Destiny's beard, that's a disgrace

    • @rottenfreddy3759
      @rottenfreddy3759 2 місяці тому +47

      Lmao

    • @illahham
      @illahham 2 місяці тому +83

      KHAMAS

    • @AQS521
      @AQS521 Місяць тому

      His beard always looks so bad even without that scuff mark. It makes him look punchable with that soy beard.

    • @strangeman9362
      @strangeman9362 Місяць тому +25

      I bet you're like norm resorting to ad hominems and insults as a means of Winning a debate 😂

    • @fabianortiz5560
      @fabianortiz5560 Місяць тому +12

      Lmmmaaoooooo

  • @xxabulletxx
    @xxabulletxx Місяць тому +1673

    Historian vs Wikipedia's finest redditor

    • @randommofo123
      @randommofo123 Місяць тому

      Please don't call fecalstain a redditor.

    • @jonathonchabluk5070
      @jonathonchabluk5070 Місяць тому +76

      Finkelstein isn’t a historian lmfao

    • @johnvermassen
      @johnvermassen Місяць тому +94

      @@jonathonchabluk5070Raul Hilberg the founder of Holocaust studies disagrees

    • @jonathonchabluk5070
      @jonathonchabluk5070 Місяць тому +40

      @@johnvermassen I don’t care about what somebody else thinks. Finkelstein is a sociology major, not a history one.

    • @Greg-cr2dw
      @Greg-cr2dw Місяць тому +21

      ​@@johnvermassen Neat. I guess he's wrong, too, then. Would you also assume the world is flat if he said so?

  • @ahmaddahbour3091
    @ahmaddahbour3091 Місяць тому +1672

    The IDF literally bragged on twitter saying “we know where every bullet landed.”

    • @robertnicholls9917
      @robertnicholls9917 Місяць тому

      This is the infuriating part. These Zionist defenders hear them bragging like we do but love playing dumb. They're not there in good faith. The goal is to make people doubt the facts and truth.

    • @tempacc9589
      @tempacc9589 Місяць тому +214

      Idf: There are no accidents
      Mr Borelli: That's just an accident!
      Destiny sounds like one of those kids defending Iraq war crimes bragging criminal courts exist and our military would never do any war crimes.

    • @gavinvales8928
      @gavinvales8928 Місяць тому +20

      Citation needed

    • @Ben-xf7uy
      @Ben-xf7uy Місяць тому

      We just making stuff up now??? Or just not giving context to fit your narrative??? Hamas are straight up actual terrorist. I guarantee you are a silly kid who has no real consistency when it comes to Israel. What does equal force look like??? Who broke the cease fire on October 7th??? You are incredibly simple minded hahaha. What is the appropriate response for Israel to have to October 7th??

    • @nerdemoji280
      @nerdemoji280 Місяць тому +71

      @@tempacc9589 There are clips with millions of views of Destiny saying that the IDF commits war crimes. In the debate, he specifically objected to the charge of genocide, and brought a strong argument along with him. I suggest you actually watch the debate instead of mindlessly repeating Hasan's reaction videos. Destiny cleared Finkelstein, who came off as a petulant child. Even Finkelstein's debate partner (who was actually quite good, probably the strongest debater of the four) was embarrassed.

  • @TheLeadAttorney
    @TheLeadAttorney 2 місяці тому +2387

    You are about to be insulted when they say to you, “With all due respect….”

    • @joshuafrank4643
      @joshuafrank4643 2 місяці тому +13

      Glad I read your comment before I wrote mine earlier because I was literally going to write the same exact thing!

    • @mekbebtamrat817
      @mekbebtamrat817 2 місяці тому +12

      Nice to see you here Lead. It has been a while. I was one of your first subs. Hope you are well.

    • @malimal4972
      @malimal4972 2 місяці тому +7

      Lead are you going on anytime soon?

    • @SDREHXC
      @SDREHXC 2 місяці тому +8

      It’s a really great phrase because for half a second the person thinks they’re being respected until they realize the amount of respect due is none.

    • @Yondervan2
      @Yondervan2 2 місяці тому +2

      But he lost…

  • @jjthomas8171
    @jjthomas8171 2 місяці тому +2615

    Everytime he says “Mr Borelli” I die laughing

    • @Hankblue
      @Hankblue 2 місяці тому +149

      At 3:31 it became "Mr Morelli", it only has 3 letters left from the original name 😂

    • @Konanan
      @Konanan 2 місяці тому +93

      Truly the behaviour you expect from a respected historian.

    • @rehx4
      @rehx4 2 місяці тому

      Finkelstein is such a charlatan. Whatever you think about the conflict, it exposes your intellect (or laziness) if you are someone who thinks Finkelstein is a good faith actor. END OF STORY. There are plenty of people who make the case for supporting Palestinian causes who don't act in bad faith like Finkelstein. He used every dirty tactic in the book. If you don't understand what I'm referring to then learn more history, do more research and then do a better job of sifting through the ad hominin and false dilemma arguments that Finkelstein crams (like f'ing crazy) into his narratives.

    • @walkinbeauty7248
      @walkinbeauty7248 2 місяці тому +7

      Because his student named him boring racist.

    • @JonoMatee
      @JonoMatee 2 місяці тому +32

      Lol yeh classic trolling from Norm. Good on Destiny for handling it so well.

  • @Joseph-tj2in
    @Joseph-tj2in Місяць тому +292

    The fact that Destiny irritated Norman Finkelstein enough to insult him but not rabbi Shmuley is pretty wild

    • @johnathandeleonlopez881
      @johnathandeleonlopez881 Місяць тому +1

      Rabbi schmuly is a frauder and knows it. Destiny is just a pseudo intellectual

    • @Freedomforeverall
      @Freedomforeverall Місяць тому +18

      Look at his face I'd bw irritated too

    • @Itiswhatitis638
      @Itiswhatitis638 Місяць тому +81

      It’s because destiny is idiotically arrogant. It’s infuriating when someone doesn’t realise just how ill equipped they are.

    • @user-nv4nb5ef3g
      @user-nv4nb5ef3g Місяць тому +1

      It's cos he was 1v1 with Shmuley - if you speak slow like Finky 1v1 it can work to your advantage; however, speak slow in a team debate (esp. vs someone like Destiny) & you start to feel like you're letting the side down by being too slow!

    • @thedarknessunderneathpodca6366
      @thedarknessunderneathpodca6366 Місяць тому +9

      Finkelstein was already irritated with Destiny. Destiny didn't show up at their original debate, if I recall correctly, and was dismissive of Finkelstein's time.

  • @Support-your-local-team
    @Support-your-local-team Місяць тому +757

    The IDF's body count is tied with Destiny's wife at 30 thousand since October 7th.

  • @Terminalss
    @Terminalss Місяць тому +1123

    Pretty unfair that Mr Finkle had to debate Mr Bonell, Borelli, and Bonelli all at the same time

    • @jamiejulian5618
      @jamiejulian5618 Місяць тому +68

      And MORELLI

    • @MindForgedManacle
      @MindForgedManacle Місяць тому +38

      Don't steal jokes from the comment section of the original video, come on

    • @milkyway208O
      @milkyway208O Місяць тому +4

      When your ideology and beliefs get proven completely wrong so the best thing you can do is make fun of mispronouncing names:

    • @kasino7132
      @kasino7132 Місяць тому +2

      Stop recycling jokes

    • @Terminalss
      @Terminalss Місяць тому

      @@kasino7132 please dont arrest me 🙏

  • @WillyOrca
    @WillyOrca Місяць тому +39

    If you play this at 1.25x speed, Finklestein's tempo is normalized, but Destiny becomes imperceptible. If you play it at .75x speed, Destiny's tempo is normalized but Finklestein's audio sounds like blue whale vocalizations.

    • @BassFlapper
      @BassFlapper Місяць тому +4

      What a great summary

    • @Top_Weeb
      @Top_Weeb 19 днів тому +2

      Finklestein is so majestic.

  • @neyazahmed309
    @neyazahmed309 Місяць тому +610

    Destiny trying to educate a man who spent entire life academically studying the issue😂😂😂😂

    • @Makonator007
      @Makonator007 Місяць тому +74

      Finkle was tbh poor in this debate.

    • @OmniTranscend
      @OmniTranscend Місяць тому +89

      ​@@Makonator007even a poor Norman walks over the childish destiny

    • @tempacc9589
      @tempacc9589 Місяць тому +114

      ​​@@Makonator007To anyone who knows nothing Finkle might look poor because Destiny screams loads of lies with enough confidence like a 13 year old child. Go google the four kids killed on the beach. Destiny was 100% lying and Norm was completely right.

    • @Makonator007
      @Makonator007 Місяць тому +12

      @tempacc9589 when you answer on certain questions that are not true, usually it's "that's a lie", or you just tell what the truth is...norm on lots of them just go "don't show ur ignorance", without offering counter points...not all but on a lot of them....even lex stopped him from quoting Benny's line...

    • @kamahhl
      @kamahhl Місяць тому +21

      Morris, who is the most prominent historian in this topic, agrees with Destiny on everything, so keep coping😂

  • @ronenmarom
    @ronenmarom 2 місяці тому +1470

    Destiny has a Phd in Wikipedia knowledge.

    • @suren5174
      @suren5174 2 місяці тому +137

      Just as bad as Finkelstein's PhD in Ad Hominems.

    • @PoliticsReal
      @PoliticsReal 2 місяці тому +205

      ​@@suren5174Destiny kept desperately looking at Wikipedia to get his digs in lol.

    • @sikkouvol.1996
      @sikkouvol.1996 2 місяці тому +56

      @@PoliticsReal I know you are not that stupid to think that was actually wiki, right?

    • @PoliticsReal
      @PoliticsReal 2 місяці тому +108

      @@sikkouvol.1996 Cope more stan

    • @chcsab9770
      @chcsab9770 2 місяці тому +1

      ​@@sikkouvol.1996he is that stupid

  • @yoshi4155
    @yoshi4155 Місяць тому +146

    3:40 Destiny quotes the UN saying "While the vast majority of protesters acted in a peaceful manner.."
    4:18 Destiny saying how Norm referred to the march as "mostly peaceful" as if it's false and ridiculous.
    He accuses Norm of selectively reading/acknowledging UN statements and then demonstrates straight after what selective reading looks like.

    • @xXxXxX-x-XxXxXx
      @xXxXxX-x-XxXxXx Місяць тому +3

      thank you.

    • @gregoryo1903
      @gregoryo1903 Місяць тому +20

      This happened the entire debate. Destiny was consistently missing the precision of what was being said, or missing the entire point.

    • @ozymandias8523
      @ozymandias8523 Місяць тому +12

      Bro Destiny himself said he is pro genocjde against Palestinian (way before oct 7), obviously he will have bias to be pro isrsel

    • @Scorchxray
      @Scorchxray Місяць тому +5

      Destiny is a defective Uzi spraying everywhere not hitting anything. Finkelstein is a 380mm devastating cannon.

  • @toddmenzing6828
    @toddmenzing6828 Місяць тому +98

    People making excuses for murdering children. SMH.

    • @Killer1260
      @Killer1260 Місяць тому +1

      It’s called collateral damage my dude … do you know nothing of war?

    • @Killer1260
      @Killer1260 Місяць тому +4

      How many German children died during ww2? Completely unacceptable according to your naive opinion

    • @toddmenzing6828
      @toddmenzing6828 Місяць тому

      Yes, horrific and unacceptable. What if they were your kids?@@Killer1260

    • @toddmenzing6828
      @toddmenzing6828 Місяць тому

      Your moniker is apt@@Killer1260

    • @toddmenzing6828
      @toddmenzing6828 Місяць тому

      It's not a video game. @@Killer1260

  • @IAmNumber4000
    @IAmNumber4000 Місяць тому +172

    Destiny’s position in this debate was a coked-up rendition of Ben Shapiro’s “I don’t care about civilian casualties” middle school article

    • @snakey934Snakeybakey
      @snakey934Snakeybakey Місяць тому +5

      Neither does Finkelstein. He is selectively sanctimonious.

    • @Taureg
      @Taureg Місяць тому +10

      Destiny thought his "war is hell" argument was the ultimate checkmate

    • @Spittin_Bars
      @Spittin_Bars 3 дні тому

      Its definitely adderall or vyvanse, no coke on earth can make you talk that fast while simultaneously saying not a god damn thing.

  • @joefurtek8837
    @joefurtek8837 2 місяці тому +1474

    He probably isn't even close to the amount of books katt williams has read.

    • @aca2156
      @aca2156 2 місяці тому +14

      😂😂😂

    • @digjayd
      @digjayd 2 місяці тому +9

      Banger

    • @MandosCulture
      @MandosCulture 2 місяці тому +9

      In a year, Katt clears more than all 5 put together 💪💪💪

    • @joshuagoldstein8116
      @joshuagoldstein8116 2 місяці тому +15

      They only let him take out 20 books at a time!!

    • @alihamdon6644
      @alihamdon6644 2 місяці тому +20

      He smoked so much crack he couldn’t give you a synopsis on a single one

  • @billr2505
    @billr2505 2 місяці тому +1283

    Killing children is bad.

    • @spiderqueen601
      @spiderqueen601 2 місяці тому +175

      So don’t start wars and use them as shields. And also don’t use teenage soldiers and call them children.

    • @sov3273
      @sov3273 2 місяці тому +1

      @@spiderqueen601 all those points you made were destroyed in this debate you’re not high enough iq to have an opinion on this

    • @sov3273
      @sov3273 2 місяці тому +411

      @@spiderqueen601 All those points were destroyed in the debate

    • @robertpirsig5011
      @robertpirsig5011 2 місяці тому +305

      ​@@spiderqueen601Israel started the war decades ago

    • @dylanbecker3979
      @dylanbecker3979 2 місяці тому

      Start a war? Israel kills a few thousand palestinians every 3 or 4 years... they call it "mowing the grass" but palestinian lives mean so much less to you that all those times dont count. Unsurprising your view is shared by zionists and nobody else.

  • @adrianomfg
    @adrianomfg Місяць тому +135

    “Then let me educate you?” Destiny a UA-cam gamer, has the audacity to say that to PROFESSOR Finkelstein?

    • @AjaxDGonzo
      @AjaxDGonzo Місяць тому +9

      Finklestein who couldn’t remember dolus specialis even though he claimed to have read that document 3 times? The same guy that kept cutting off the person reading from the actual document. The guy who kept trying to explain to an author what that author meant in his own book? The one the moderator had to cut off twice in the debate?

    • @Lysergicide25
      @Lysergicide25 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@AjaxDGonzo In all fairness, Norm has been studying this for 40 years. His memory isn't as good as it once was.

    • @AjaxDGonzo
      @AjaxDGonzo Місяць тому

      @@Lysergicide25 well and assuming all of the scholars have read 10,000 books then to average it that’s at least 3,333 for Norm, plus rereading books too. His brain must be fried, but it doesn’t compare to Katt Williams

    • @kevinswanson7740
      @kevinswanson7740 28 днів тому

      @@AjaxDGonzo the bozo read the UN report that said the March was MOSTLY PEACEFUL and then said Norm was lying about the March being mostly peaceful. Don’t try and save face for this dipshit 😂

    • @altairauditore1398
      @altairauditore1398 27 днів тому +1

      ​@AjaxDGonzo what are u talking about? He remembers it.. he just wanted to point out that the correct term in this context is "mens rea"

  • @turntableable
    @turntableable Місяць тому +241

    Destiny the next day: “Norm Finkelstein called me fantastic”

  • @stevebowen6071
    @stevebowen6071 2 місяці тому +1124

    I'm sure destiny's wife's boyfriend is very proud of how he handled himself in this debate.

    • @keithframe3489
      @keithframe3489 2 місяці тому +53

      lmao

    • @barney10240
      @barney10240 2 місяці тому +62

      Nah, both of them left him with the kid lmao

    • @SirArghPirate
      @SirArghPirate 2 місяці тому +11

      @@barney10240 no way?!

    • @701delbronx8
      @701delbronx8 2 місяці тому

      She broke up with him to date a Swedish twink she was already sleeping with

    • @Rio-zh2wb
      @Rio-zh2wb 2 місяці тому +3

      lol

  • @CocoaBeanWhip
    @CocoaBeanWhip 2 місяці тому +923

    absolutely brilliant comedy, after repeated minutes of enough shouting over each other to give one tinnitus, Lex reveals to us that he is actually the moderator that is moderating a moderated debate.

    • @BeeVee-zz9ip
      @BeeVee-zz9ip 2 місяці тому +60

      Funniest part hands down “this is not hilarious”

    • @megleyd
      @megleyd 2 місяці тому +1

      HAHAHA

    • @aga5109
      @aga5109 2 місяці тому +8

      It is not easy to moderate while people shout at each other 😂.
      Lex, come to group therapy, and you know what l mean. Only jocking 😂.
      In group therapy, setting anything can happen, but a very important task of a group leader - therapist - is to present, apply, and implement the rules of a group. Otherwise , chaos will spread.
      P.S. Have you seen the meme ?
      😂😅😅

    • @user-ym7ss6xb3j
      @user-ym7ss6xb3j 2 місяці тому +14

      the funny part is that Lex is pro-israel himself 🤡

    • @danielharrington5690
      @danielharrington5690 2 місяці тому +19

      He said in beginning of debate he was going to let it roll because emotions of this debate "speaks volumes" or something like that lol

  • @AverageToAndrew
    @AverageToAndrew Місяць тому +475

    "Mr. Borelli, you are such a fantastic moron, its terrifying" 🤣
    Get em Norman.

    • @user-rv2zj8zu5b
      @user-rv2zj8zu5b Місяць тому +13

      Even Benny laughs

    • @cluttereddrawers2084
      @cluttereddrawers2084 Місяць тому +31

      80 year old man acting like he is 8 years old and this is your academic lol

    • @neosyk_
      @neosyk_ Місяць тому +17

      So an empty point without a rebuttal. Are you a child?

    • @user-rv2zj8zu5b
      @user-rv2zj8zu5b Місяць тому +4

      @@neosyk_ isn’t that what you just did?

    • @helenakolar
      @helenakolar Місяць тому

      SO BRILLIANT. 😂

  • @deanodebo
    @deanodebo Місяць тому +21

    Norms comedic timing is impeccable. I’m not saying the topic is funny, but seriously, the guy has comedic talent

  • @TSEliot1978
    @TSEliot1978 2 місяці тому +1316

    Why is Destiny even debating with University Professors? 😂😂😂

    • @HostileTakeover555
      @HostileTakeover555 2 місяці тому +283

      Finklestein was denied tenure because of his incompetence. What specifically did he say that was incorrect? Morris who Finklestein lauds in this clip complements him throughout.

    • @SerenaLi-dl9bl
      @SerenaLi-dl9bl 2 місяці тому +248

      What is this dumb gatekeeping just look at what they actually said

    • @oscarjarzmik8453
      @oscarjarzmik8453 2 місяці тому

      @@HostileTakeover555 He wasn't denied tenure for "incompetence." You're either an idiot or you just think we are.

    • @xmathmanx
      @xmathmanx 2 місяці тому

      lol, what kind of dimwit still respects university ranks?

    • @sehbanomer8151
      @sehbanomer8151 2 місяці тому +113

      @@SerenaLi-dl9bl hard to do that when they keep talking over each other. At least the universtiy professors have proper debate etiquette. Destiny appear to care about winning, not the truth, from what I've seen in this clip.

  • @ahmedshousha1958
    @ahmedshousha1958 Місяць тому +108

    Finkelstien says: “overwhelming non violent”. Destiny: YoUrE LYING then he reads: “while the vast majority….”Then he continues to cry about it like he is not wrong. This guy is suffering from cognitive dissonance, he is not well versed on the issue and he super qualifies all his statements to weasel his way through arguments. Destiny is a skilled weasel, that’s all he is.

    • @Brotherken1234
      @Brotherken1234 27 днів тому +9

      Weasel. Perfectly describes him. 👍

    • @Top_Weeb
      @Top_Weeb 19 днів тому +8

      He is, in fact, a weaselly little liar dude.

    • @ajaj6621
      @ajaj6621 16 днів тому

      It just demonstrates the difference between a skilled debater who is knowledgeable on the subject matter vs an internet debate lord

    • @Helios--
      @Helios-- 13 днів тому

      He's suffering from being a fantastic moron. Dr. Finkelstein diagnosed him accurately lol

    • @leftoflibra
      @leftoflibra 4 дні тому +1

      This part… he’s a debate bro… they train to talk the loudest and fastest not because they are right or wrong they just want the perceived “win” by not allowing the other side to talk

  • @FelixGA9
    @FelixGA9 Місяць тому +191

    Destiny just comes off like he went to the Ben Shapiro school of fast talking B.S. He just wants to look like he’s the smartest one in the room. For a historian, Morris seemed very biased.

    • @Jacqueline888
      @Jacqueline888 Місяць тому +9

      but fink isn’t biased? 😂

    • @cluttereddrawers2084
      @cluttereddrawers2084 Місяць тому +4

      Any specific criticism? Lol

    • @roiseven4749
      @roiseven4749 Місяць тому +5

      morris' own colleagues in new history claim he's gone off the deep end. he's no longer a serious critical analyst

    • @Jacqueline888
      @Jacqueline888 Місяць тому +6

      @@roiseven4749 didn’t finklestein’s own colleagues deny him tenure for ad hominem attacks lol

    • @shmeggley
      @shmeggley Місяць тому +19

      ​@@Jacqueline888No, he got railroaded for not toeing the Zionist line

  • @thespaniard3988
    @thespaniard3988 2 місяці тому +971

    The most animated I've seen Norman Finklestein in a conversation.

    • @kalikiter1
      @kalikiter1 2 місяці тому +246

      It’s because he’s being challenged in ways he’s never been and it frustrates him. Pretty par for the course.

    • @AliLikesIdeas
      @AliLikesIdeas 2 місяці тому +176

      @@kalikiter1 whatever you say

    • @saifalam2030
      @saifalam2030 2 місяці тому +227

      @@kalikiter1 challenge by who. You tubers who are justifying a Holocaust . Kanye did what destiny is doing he was cancelled by everyone

    • @magicsaint
      @magicsaint 2 місяці тому +213

      @@kalikiter1 challenged by a video gamer?! It is more like Norman is putting up with people who are not even on the same caliber of knowledge as him.

    • @YesLads-tt6ue
      @YesLads-tt6ue 2 місяці тому +17

      @@saifalam2030????????

  • @Bmarr33
    @Bmarr33 2 місяці тому +205

    Finkelstein directly said ...."overwhelming majority", which means he did not lie. Destiny needs to listen a little more and talk less. He so wanted to get a point out that he forgot to make sure it was correct.

    • @MindForgedManacle
      @MindForgedManacle Місяць тому +9

      To be fair, I think they were complaining about Rabbani. But even he said "clear majority", so it came across as pearl clutching over irrelevant semantics.

    • @ESmorgue
      @ESmorgue Місяць тому

      The fact a guy wants us to believe, that aligns himself with men, women can be men. Is hilarious. He such an insight on history but denies recorded and established medical/scientific history.
      This dude is a clear fraud a fence jumper setup by powerful people to try and influence the youth into a certain narrative.

    • @eddieleon9608
      @eddieleon9608 Місяць тому +4

      You haven’t even seen the debate…. All these people shitting on Mr. Vitelli didn’t form their own opinions

    • @toneloke454
      @toneloke454 Місяць тому

      Your right, how was just deliberately misleading, which is still a slimy form of lying

    • @suarezguy
      @suarezguy 2 дні тому

      They both seem oddly, at least overly heated, Destiny slightly more overly confrontational (but the two close) when they were actually mostly agreeing that it was mostly not completely peaceful.

  • @calebtatro6512
    @calebtatro6512 Місяць тому +56

    In fairness, Norm sat politely through three and a half hours of bullshit before he lost his temper🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @dykemichaels2194
    @dykemichaels2194 2 місяці тому +1355

    I didn’t know Lil Dicky was so political.

    • @glasgowblackchigowski6117
      @glasgowblackchigowski6117 Місяць тому +56

      It's ironic how that name fits him given the latest turn of events in his life 😂

    • @mollykyoto5220
      @mollykyoto5220 Місяць тому

      ​​@@glasgowblackchigowski6117 Please tell me if its about this Destiny moron, I can barely stand the secondhand embarassment as soon as he opens his mouth/and or "expressing himself" when someone else talks - in all the wrong places
      + its overshadowing my anger, too much shame - so I need a release, gossip will do if its funny/degrading, haha

    • @MehulPatelLXC
      @MehulPatelLXC Місяць тому +5

      Man, I always wondered who it was that he reminded me of!

    • @masterp401
      @masterp401 Місяць тому +37

      Few months ago he didnt even know where isra3l is on the map😂 he came prepared with his wikipedia knowledge😂

    • @Cheeseburger33333
      @Cheeseburger33333 Місяць тому +7

      @@masterp401must suck to be a norm fan right now when his years of research cant stand up to wiki warriors

  • @BowlSoHard
    @BowlSoHard Місяць тому +35

    Mr. Broccoli’s nervous tick with the pen is hilarious 😂

  • @rchaudhury3532
    @rchaudhury3532 2 місяці тому +422

    Norm,Mr Borelli ,Mr Morelli and Mr Marselli walk into a bar

    • @jorjethezebra
      @jorjethezebra Місяць тому

      "Im seeing double, call them both fantastical genocidal morons"

    • @theredgoblin562
      @theredgoblin562 Місяць тому +12

      All of them argue about politics while their wives leave with different men

    • @jonathand3842
      @jonathand3842 Місяць тому

      will never understand why you guys refuse to engage with the topic and keep the focus on people's wives they ain't your wives why do you care, focus on the topic why is it that destiny is wrong i'll wait@@theredgoblin562

    • @orion00
      @orion00 Місяць тому +4

      ...and then the nursing home came and took Norm and his three imaginary friends back.

    • @bighillraft
      @bighillraft Місяць тому +3

      @@theredgoblin562 Destiny probably ok with that, he can work it into his schedule

  • @Iamangelocmedia
    @Iamangelocmedia Місяць тому +790

    1:53 I’ll even answer Moron’s question 😂😂😂 yoooooooo

    • @willgia
      @willgia Місяць тому +48

      Well respected academic, btw

    • @eugenekrabs869
      @eugenekrabs869 Місяць тому +107

      Talking to wikipedia's finest btw@@willgia

    • @Wyllowisp
      @Wyllowisp Місяць тому +27

      @@eugenekrabs869Yet he still came out worse than Ms. Bugatti. How embarrassing.

    • @spine5175
      @spine5175 Місяць тому +108

      @@willgia yeah he has been writing about this subject before borelli was even conceived. Im sorry bro but even well respected academics have their limits to how much ignorance they can sustain.

    • @Soap010
      @Soap010 Місяць тому

      well he was being a moron@@willgia

  • @uberneanderthal
    @uberneanderthal Місяць тому +33

    "israel wouldn't do bad things for no reason" seems to be destiny's entire argument

    • @vitulus_
      @vitulus_ 14 днів тому

      So, I think you're being a bit rhetorical here, and instead what you *mean* is probably that Destiny's argument lacks substance, and hence can be reduced down to a one-liner. Am I correct in saying that? If so, why does Destiny's argument in this video lack substance?

    • @tiktokviral6218
      @tiktokviral6218 12 днів тому

      😂😂😂 dayha doctrine

  • @user-lr6vd1cw7s
    @user-lr6vd1cw7s Місяць тому +93

    Instant internet classic, will be back in ten years to comment to the next generation that I watched it live.

  • @poundcakeboi3104
    @poundcakeboi3104 2 місяці тому +646

    Destiny is what happens when a chronically online kid who took AP classes in high school maintains an adderall addiction into adulthood.

    • @b.pack3
      @b.pack3 Місяць тому +26

      Solid Facts. He makes me embarrassed to be a millennial. Isn’t funny how every single nerdy beta male has a full beard? It’s like it’s their last reminder that they’re actually real men. lol what a bunch of jokes.

    • @blackdynamite_5470
      @blackdynamite_5470 Місяць тому +3

      He took way too many classes of socialism

    • @axileus9327
      @axileus9327 Місяць тому +24

      He does verbalize arguments like he’s writing an ap essay examination. Cramming as much as he can into the space available, attempting to indicate his authority on the subject based on his ability to regurgitate officially recognized facts and dates. It’s a lot less impressive when everybody can see you rapidly googling though in the middle of the discussion. It’s also void of meaningful analysis.

    • @y.s7787
      @y.s7787 Місяць тому

      @b.pack3 so true

    • @russe19642
      @russe19642 Місяць тому +14

      Obviously don't like him,but every debate I've seen he's wiped his opponent. So I guess your man got mauled before and you're sad

  • @citiboiroi
    @citiboiroi 2 місяці тому +640

    Stephen “Motormouth” Borelli

  • @winistan
    @winistan Місяць тому +52

    Lex telling Finkelstein off for the "hilarious" remark is HILARIOUS because the same Lex was as mute as a fish when Destiny was literally LAUGHING in the room.

    • @rafaelrivasducca3979
      @rafaelrivasducca3979 Місяць тому

      Lex did show a Zionist bias...even if he himself isn't. Hasbara??

    • @abeltesfaye_
      @abeltesfaye_ 22 дні тому +1

      Lex literally interviewed genocidal war-criminal, Benjamin Netanyahu, and said he did that interview to, "add love in the world." He tweeted it & that tweet is still up for a source. Lex is clearly not objective and supports Zionism. Take that as you will.

    • @mateopavolini
      @mateopavolini 12 днів тому +2

      I dont think he told him off, he was excusin (what i assume was himself) for laughin

  • @paulconnelly4050
    @paulconnelly4050 Місяць тому +178

    I dont anything about the guy with the beard but he reminds me of the old saying, 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'.

    • @cluttereddrawers2084
      @cluttereddrawers2084 Місяць тому +6

      Any examples? Or you're just getting a feeling you can't back up because you randomly dislike him lol

    • @paulconnelly4050
      @paulconnelly4050 Місяць тому +12

      @@cluttereddrawers2084 you watched it like I did. What do you need quotes for? Do you want me to 'cherry pick' 😂

    • @suf1an658
      @suf1an658 Місяць тому +17

      ​@@cluttereddrawers2084as he was reading the report he clearly fucked up. Henece why he read it so fast and mumbled past the part where the report said it was overwhelmingly peaceful. In a large protest of thousands of people there will always be minorities that get careied away and violent, that doesn’t justify the hundreds of killings and attacks on civilians (unless they're Palestinian because they're obviously savages and radicalised ofc ). His debate partner himself literally admitted the IDF acted poorly during the great march and condemned it before Destiny read the report.

    • @LedragLP
      @LedragLP Місяць тому +1

      the irony of this statement is unfathomable, enough comments for today

    • @cluttereddrawers2084
      @cluttereddrawers2084 Місяць тому +1

      @@suf1an658 the UN reports the crowd was setting fires at the fence, flying incendiary kites which damaged agriculture, so yes overwhelmingly peaceful, with a tiny minority setting fires and flying fires into Israel. Nobody justified attacks on civilians, destiny and benny both said soldiers in the IDF who targeted people like that should and some have been tried for it.

  • @PMcGJellyP
    @PMcGJellyP 2 місяці тому +620

    There was a moderator that whole 5 minutes?!?

    • @TheJalinmyles
      @TheJalinmyles 2 місяці тому +7

      😂😂😂😂 yes!!

    • @amineHighTube
      @amineHighTube 2 місяці тому +36

      Lex intentionally let them express as they wish

    • @derbarone
      @derbarone 2 місяці тому +40

      bro there was an moderator the whole 5 hours and i didnt notice

    • @zainubumar
      @zainubumar 2 місяці тому

      😂

    • @aga5109
      @aga5109 2 місяці тому +1

      Have you seen the meme😂😂😂? Look it up.

  • @johnniiee146
    @johnniiee146 2 місяці тому +284

    To be fair he called Mr. Bonnell quite measured and informed. However regards Mr. Borrelli an absolute monster.

    • @PoliticsReal
      @PoliticsReal 2 місяці тому +26

      Nope. Steven is anything but informed.

    • @Blibetyblabla
      @Blibetyblabla 2 місяці тому +21

      Stevelli on the other hand is quite informed

    • @lampad4549
      @lampad4549 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@PoliticsRealwhat did he get wrong?

    • @PoliticsReal
      @PoliticsReal Місяць тому

      @@lampad4549 Everything

    • @tugger
      @tugger Місяць тому

      literally everything, he's a lazy pundit who is wildly outclassed @@lampad4549

  • @anewmythos9021
    @anewmythos9021 26 днів тому +10

    There was a missed opportunity here to clearly point out a contradiction Destiny was making. Destiny emphasized how unlikely it is that civilians were targeted by the IDF simply due to the rigorous checks and balances built into the chain of command, ie it would have to be approved at higher levels, not just by one soldier. But then minutes later he concedes that members of the IDF likely have targeted civilians at times. My question to Destiny would then be, of those cases that you acknowledge civilians have been targeted, by your own logic wouldn’t those have also been approved all the way up the chain of command? This is important because it actually makes Norms point even stronger, Destiny’s own argument proves that these are not just one off rogue soldiers killing civilians, but a deliberate goal of the IDF.

    • @bayanbishara6666
      @bayanbishara6666 4 дні тому

      not to mention how the idf killed israeli civillians as well with the testimony of israelis themselves
      like why wouldnt they kill palestinians?

  • @alileevil
    @alileevil Місяць тому +40

    "You got the month wrong". Video game streamers should stick to video games.

    • @cluttereddrawers2084
      @cluttereddrawers2084 Місяць тому +4

      And the academic should get his facts right when he's read 10,000 books on the subject 😂

    • @Claude-dp3mx
      @Claude-dp3mx Місяць тому +1

      ​Even worse is this:
      3:40 Destiny quotes the UN saying "While the vast majority of protesters acted in a peaceful manner.."
      4:18 Destiny mentioning that Norm referred to the march as "mostly peaceful" as if it's false and ridiculous.

  • @MrNinopino
    @MrNinopino Місяць тому +493

    Mr Borelli is using that pen 100% as a prop.

    • @willps_art
      @willps_art Місяць тому +23

      I don't think he can write and read properly

    • @shariffseyzza4366
      @shariffseyzza4366 Місяць тому +6

      this whole zionism thing is an act. everything was prepared and worked on. hahaha. it's a horror movie where all the cast were '' a real time serial killers'' directly or indirectly.

    • @MrTote191
      @MrTote191 Місяць тому

      and drinking water every 2 seconds, what a moron

    • @FalkoJ89
      @FalkoJ89 Місяць тому

      @@shariffseyzza4366 you have been fed propaganda through a nasogastric tube since you were born. How could you possibly think for yourself and realize zionism is morally sensible?!
      You do get it, right? All you're doing is expressing how intellectually limited you are...

    • @blackdynamite_5470
      @blackdynamite_5470 Місяць тому +10

      After 6:00 I saw what you meant
      He ain't writing shit.

  • @shadowcoder887
    @shadowcoder887 2 місяці тому +869

    What episode of Jerry Springer is this?

    • @LeMerch
      @LeMerch 2 місяці тому +8

      It’s a blooper

    • @mrmanic4151
      @mrmanic4151 2 місяці тому +2

      "JEREMIAH! JEREMIAH! JEREMIAH!"

    • @snuffcarl
      @snuffcarl 2 місяці тому +1

      HAHAHA! Shame. Could have been great. I almost didn't make it through all 5 hours.

    • @grippercrapper
      @grippercrapper 2 місяці тому +3

      RIP Jerry Springer. We will never forget your trailer trash fights.

    • @joshuagoldstein8116
      @joshuagoldstein8116 2 місяці тому +10

      Destiny.......you are NOT the father!

  • @thegalaxylab
    @thegalaxylab Місяць тому +51

    while Destiny can definitely argue an interpretation that he wants to...the idea that Destiny thinks he can school Finkelstein on the FACTS of the conflict is laughable and reveals he's nothing but a sophist.

    • @johnym1
      @johnym1 Місяць тому +7

      Exactly. It's funny that his fans on this thread are viewing him as a high intellectual or is knowledgeable on the matter, is laughable. the guy came from gaming to going on dating advice platforms to a political UA-camr. He is just drifting to whatever is currently a major topic.

    • @eddieleon9608
      @eddieleon9608 Місяць тому +2

      If you think you are right, give me specific examples where Destiny is wrong in arguing Finkle, and finkle is right. I don’t believe you’ve formed your own opinion if you can’t.

    • @eddieleon9608
      @eddieleon9608 Місяць тому

      @@johnym1Is this opinion formed by you? Show me an example

    • @johnym1
      @johnym1 Місяць тому +1

      @@eddieleon9608 that's a weird question don't you think? Or is it that you can't search on UA-cam and find out. Unless, you are a fake account.

    • @johnym1
      @johnym1 Місяць тому +1

      @@eddieleon9608 I don't believe you are and actual account. How about that. Didn't we watch the same clip? I can't wait for your next comment.

  • @Joesledge13
    @Joesledge13 Місяць тому +30

    Destiny shouldn’t even be in the room.

  • @nono9543
    @nono9543 2 місяці тому +661

    I tried posting this on Pornhub but they don't accept rape

    • @kushclarkkent6669
      @kushclarkkent6669 2 місяці тому +35

      I don't laff at r*pe jokes, but this is the closest I've gotten! Props to u!

    • @timeee2kill
      @timeee2kill 2 місяці тому

      @@kushclarkkent6669no literally 😭

    • @BlueMountainSports
      @BlueMountainSports 2 місяці тому +11

      We are laughing about all the love in the room.

    • @mastercharlesdiltardino8058
      @mastercharlesdiltardino8058 2 місяці тому +3

      They do if you blur the faced out. I've heard that it's really hard to get videos taken down from the hub.

    • @Yondervan2
      @Yondervan2 2 місяці тому +41

      Finklestein can’t handle a debate. He crumbled

  • @stratocaster1986able
    @stratocaster1986able 2 місяці тому +637

    Norm "I choose my words wisely"
    (Also Norm) " MR BORELLI"

    • @fankaydarius5849
      @fankaydarius5849 2 місяці тому +171

      That is not contradictory

    • @AC-it8rm
      @AC-it8rm 2 місяці тому +92

      @@fankaydarius5849 He's either senile or a 70 year old "scholar" employing 3rd grade debate tactics by pretending to not know someone's name. Don't know which one is worse.

    • @xxPenguinKnight7xx
      @xxPenguinKnight7xx 2 місяці тому +102

      It's intentional disrespect. Nobody outside of reddit knows his name.
      It's the "who omegalul" before the internet.

    • @mellgee
      @mellgee 2 місяці тому +65

      @@xxPenguinKnight7xxI agree. I believe norms points was to demonstrate how forgettable and insignificant Mr. Bartolli is at the table.

    • @beansdestroyer
      @beansdestroyer 2 місяці тому +16

      @@AC-it8rm he either has dementia or is just a bad faith hack

  • @rajmathew6220
    @rajmathew6220 Місяць тому +17

    "Mr Martinelli...talk fast so people think that you're coherent." 4:00

  • @psingh63
    @psingh63 Місяць тому +59

    More appropriate name is Density. Reminds me of a scene from Back to the Future (1985) where George McFly says, "My density has brought me to you". The two historians and Middle East analyst were good participants in an important debate and made reasonable cases for their sides; but what was the function of Density apart from raising Finkelstein's blood pressure.

    • @mikerosoft1009
      @mikerosoft1009 Місяць тому +6

      Exactly. His name should be Density from now on. He's unable to have a conversation without losing it.

    • @jonathonchabluk5070
      @jonathonchabluk5070 Місяць тому +6

      Norman Finkelstein isn’t a historian lmfao

    • @heartfeltteaching
      @heartfeltteaching Місяць тому +1

      @@jonathonchabluk5070 He is a highly respected scholar on the topic whose discipline is political science. That his specific discipline is not history matters not

  • @withinfinite5104
    @withinfinite5104 2 місяці тому +349

    Only Mr Borelli, a 35 year old man, could bring life back to Finklestein, who, with all given respect, lives his life at .25 speed

    • @tonytooshort
      @tonytooshort Місяць тому +9

      Remind me what this has to do with the topic at hand

    • @MP-mx9nf
      @MP-mx9nf Місяць тому +31

      Its such a bs
      Finkelstein is not talking slow at all. U guys need to get some serenity into your life and train ur attention span a bit

    • @ScottsOnTheRottenCotton
      @ScottsOnTheRottenCotton Місяць тому +4

      Slow ride, take it easy

    • @withinfinite5104
      @withinfinite5104 Місяць тому +15

      @@MP-mx9nf I wounldnt call it serenity, Finklestein starts screaming in some points over pretty basic points

    • @MP-mx9nf
      @MP-mx9nf Місяць тому +7

      ​@@withinfinite5104haha. Serenity was not related to Finkelstein's performance.

  • @chocolatecosmos1424
    @chocolatecosmos1424 Місяць тому +194

    It was worth watching the entire "debate" just to have Professor Finklestein say what I have been dying to say to Dustinia for years.😂😂😂

  • @Repent759
    @Repent759 2 місяці тому +385

    When you put two historians, a journalist and a gamer, together, this is what you get. sickening

    • @ganixdoesstupidstuff7599
      @ganixdoesstupidstuff7599 Місяць тому +60

      The gamer cooked 😂

    • @j85grim4
      @j85grim4 Місяць тому +82

      It's a sign of the decay of the U.S. that now a gamer that doesn't know anything about politics is considered a public intellectual.

    • @willgia
      @willgia Місяць тому +40

      @@j85grim4 oh, I see. You’re saying he said something stupid and wrong and you’re about to point out what he was wrong about, right? I’m so excited!

    • @j85grim4
      @j85grim4 Місяць тому +65

      ​​​@@willgiaYes in tha clip he said Isreal never purposely targets civilians even though they have a 90% civilian kill rate with their "targeted bombing". Even if that were true, the 15,000 children are still dead. Want another one?

    • @nopenerp6862
      @nopenerp6862 Місяць тому +30

      @@j85grim4 where do you get your figures from?

  • @MrDemian0666
    @MrDemian0666 Місяць тому +19

    Wonderful moment. Not sure why people still give Destiny any oxygen anymore.

    • @phukuhu7310
      @phukuhu7310 Місяць тому

      Because there are a lot of young and dumb people on the planet.

  • @lucasmoreno5330
    @lucasmoreno5330 2 місяці тому +616

    "What's your knowledge of the IDF beyond Wikipedia"

    • @NugKnights
      @NugKnights 2 місяці тому +62

      Benny is the only person in that room qualified to answer that question. Not Finklstine.

    • @snoopcelev1590
      @snoopcelev1590 2 місяці тому +56

      I was in the idf. NF has zero sense what the army is like

    • @Dunge0n
      @Dunge0n 2 місяці тому +67

      ​@@NugKnights Whatever sings ya to sleep.

    • @NugKnights
      @NugKnights 2 місяці тому +25

      @@Dunge0n Hes the only one who was in the IDF and the only one who speaks Hebrew.

    • @drinkingrobot2252
      @drinkingrobot2252 2 місяці тому

      ​@@snoopcelev1590gay

  • @juneshasta
    @juneshasta 2 місяці тому +305

    How I wish Lex was at my family's Thanksgiving table, "Just a quick pause..."

    • @blackdynamite_5470
      @blackdynamite_5470 Місяць тому

      Why are they arguing about whether Islamic terrorism is a good thing or not?

    • @mikerosoft1009
      @mikerosoft1009 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@blackdynamite_5470because it's an endless debate.
      Guy 1 "You did this!"
      Guy 2 "Well you did this!"
      Guy 1 "Well you did this!"
      Guy 2 "No we didn't but you did this!"

    • @ismailchennani4466
      @ismailchennani4466 Місяць тому +3

      @@blackdynamite_5470 why the other arguing if killing civilians is bad or not

  • @K55365
    @K55365 Місяць тому +6

    7:07 let's see Destiny defend the recent killing of the foreign aid workers by Israeli drones.

    • @ri3121
      @ri3121 Місяць тому

      He didn't. Unlike other figures he isnt married to one side in an ideological manner. He called the IDF out for this drone strike and condemned it. Even though he supports Israel as a whole, he is willing to call out the wrongs of his side, something pro-palestinians cannot do.

    • @iTzsimplefx7
      @iTzsimplefx7 9 днів тому +1

      @@ri3121 How can they though? I don't think you realise the passive aggressiveness coming from your statement.

  • @felixlucanus7922
    @felixlucanus7922 Місяць тому +17

    Potentially interesting tactic by Morris at 3:00. He interrupts Finkelstein by saying that he is willing to concede the point and tells him he doesn't have to go any further. He feels uncomfortable with Finkelstein laying out all the facts on record because he knows they are not favorable to his position and so prefers that they not be advertised to the audience. Rabbani shrewdly picked up in this tactic and quickly said he does not know about this case and wants to hear more, even though he is most likely very familiar with it.

  • @jl8410
    @jl8410 Місяць тому +88

    Destiny needed this. He and his fans consider him an intellectual because he sounds smart when he’s “debating” dipshit influencers. He’s so out of place here in a roomful of academics. He and Benny Morris are lacking morality on this. The rationalizations these two have made about the genocide going on in Gaza against an oppressed population is despicable.

    • @sohail4287
      @sohail4287 Місяць тому +12

      Can't imagine the ego you must have to go up against a bunch of academics after reading only wikipedia. He calls Vaush lazy (which he is) for not doing any research, but Destiny barely does anything beyond some surface level reading. Honestly, he's made up his mind before he goes into a topic and reads some things to confirm it and some common counters people use

    • @Longestspring
      @Longestspring Місяць тому +2

      Well said

    • @viech7595
      @viech7595 Місяць тому

      I think he did good. He never argued that he was as or more knowledgeable than any of the people there. That said, Norman Frankenwien is clearly a schizo lol

    • @CR33SIVE
      @CR33SIVE Місяць тому +12

      @@sohail4287 What exactly was he uneducateed on? And if he was uneducated on these things, why did Norm freak out at his claims and insult him as opposed to dismantling his arguments? Sounds like he didn't know how to dismantle his arguments.

    • @mrcool1519
      @mrcool1519 Місяць тому +11

      ​@@CR33SIVE
      Because his "claims" were obviously bs and deserved to be ridiculed. Imagine making these claims with all the videos out there surfacing online. This guy is out here trying to paints these people as saints lmfao.

  • @uhwaykin
    @uhwaykin Місяць тому +13

    Lex should honestly be embarrassed for sitting Mr. Bordacelli at that table.

    • @lucasbusselen9137
      @lucasbusselen9137 29 днів тому

      Without "mr bordacelli" the debate would most likely not even happen

  • @67y3j3fv2wg
    @67y3j3fv2wg Місяць тому +25

    Norm absolutely hates the fact that a chipmunk like Destiny is in this debate

    • @gtlogic6023
      @gtlogic6023 Місяць тому

      Especially when he calls out Norm on all his bullshit. Think norm needs to up his book reading comprehension.

    • @67y3j3fv2wg
      @67y3j3fv2wg Місяць тому

      @@gtlogic6023 So you also agree that Destiny is a chipmunk. Good.

    • @gtlogic6023
      @gtlogic6023 Місяць тому

      @@67y3j3fv2wg don’t care what destiny is. Be more mindful of frauds like Norm that rely on sleazy appeals to authority to make their points.

    • @67y3j3fv2wg
      @67y3j3fv2wg Місяць тому

      @@gtlogic6023 Norm is a political scientist and a researcher of the Holocaust and the Israeli Palestinian conflict. He is also an author and a university lecturer. In other words, he has spent decades studying and researching these two topics and also lecturing at universities on the subjects. I'm not sure which part of that you think is sleazy though. What are Destiny's credentials on the subjects? I don't know if you have spent some time learning and researching something and knowing it really well and then having some guy challenging you on your craft based on stuff he read about it on Wikipedia. Also, and most importantly, Norm is an activist for the rights of Palestinian people. He probably has been that for as long as Destiny has been alive. Destiny is a very arrogant and ignorant chipmunk and I don't blame Norm for losing his 💩.

    • @67y3j3fv2wg
      @67y3j3fv2wg Місяць тому +1

      @@gtlogic6023 Norm is a researcher, scholar and activist. His fields of study are the Holocaust and the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Destiny was no match for him here, no wonder he got annoyed by his presence.

  • @quinto34
    @quinto34 2 місяці тому +124

    Telling Finkelstein 'let me educate you'..😂

    • @coenhealy-johnson5194
      @coenhealy-johnson5194 2 місяці тому +39

      And he did. Finkelstein was completely uneducated when it came to the processes of ordering/undergoing strikes.

    • @snoopcelev1590
      @snoopcelev1590 2 місяці тому

      ​@@coenhealy-johnson5194 Exactly.

    • @Jockito
      @Jockito Місяць тому +19

      Norm getting some of his own condescending medicine

    • @guccidonbuzzflightyear4440
      @guccidonbuzzflightyear4440 Місяць тому +6

      Norm is a kook

    • @_Addi_
      @_Addi_ Місяць тому +10

      Finklestein literally tried to 'educate' Benny on his own book lmao. Cope and seethe.

  • @kungfubuju8388
    @kungfubuju8388 2 місяці тому +518

    Can we please call him mr. Borelli?? 😂😂

    • @Dan0TheMano
      @Dan0TheMano 2 місяці тому

      Nah, he deserves to be named after a stripper in Ft. Lauderdale.

    • @rootin222
      @rootin222 2 місяці тому +5

      I think it’s a courtesy from where he comes from that when you talk to somebody that you’re not mutual that the respectful thing is to address them by their last name

    • @screamstation
      @screamstation 2 місяці тому +12

      let's have a vote between Morelli and Borelli.

    • @jacobwalsh7209
      @jacobwalsh7209 2 місяці тому +10

      @@rootin222 His last name isn't Borelli lol, he was intentionally getting it wrong even though he does actually know it.

    • @rootin222
      @rootin222 2 місяці тому +1

      @@jacobwalsh7209 maybe it’s his New York accent

  • @JaimeG88
    @JaimeG88 Місяць тому +5

    "You made my argument better than me... you said that they couldn't have done it at the bottom if it weren't also at the top!" 8:08

  • @MoonBurn13
    @MoonBurn13 Місяць тому +8

    With the exception of Rubani, both sides fired cheap shots: but Team Amphetamine had automatics.

    • @eddieleon9608
      @eddieleon9608 Місяць тому

      Rubanis comment about Destiny being racist etc for not technically calling the Jim Crow era apartheid is pretty ridiculous.

  • @crd9191
    @crd9191 2 місяці тому +221

    “Go look this up on your machine!”

    • @Cyri51
      @Cyri51 2 місяці тому +17

      that was hilarious

    • @doublestarships646
      @doublestarships646 2 місяці тому +38

      Old man doesn't like machines because it has facts.

    • @jashanarora17
      @jashanarora17 2 місяці тому +32

      @@doublestarships646Well, he remembered facts more than anyone in the debate. Books > machines

    • @ringo1018
      @ringo1018 Місяць тому

      ​@@doublestarships646please take a shower immediately

    • @commercialbreak9531
      @commercialbreak9531 Місяць тому +23

      @@jashanarora17 if by remembering facts you mean constantly misquoting books from the guy sitting right across the table from you until the moderator has to tell you to move on, then sure.

  • @Letsplay222
    @Letsplay222 Місяць тому +199

    So it is impossible for the IDF to target children because they are 'organized'? What does that even mean? I wish they wouldn't stop interrupting Finkelstein with non-sequiturs, but on the other hand I wish Finkelstein wasn't so easily wound up.

    • @Libbathegreat
      @Libbathegreat Місяць тому

      That's what happens when you actually care about and spend your entire life delving into a subject only to show up and have to deal with a shill who cares about nothing and who thinks tired and easily debunked talking points are "gotchas".

    • @Jockito
      @Jockito Місяць тому +19

      No the point was that it would imply a top down policy to target civilians if there were drones, etc. used because they would have to be signed off and agreed upon by more than just the guy flying the drone. What this means is that Norm is implying there is a policy to target civilians.

    • @based4573
      @based4573 Місяць тому +24

      @@Jockito as we know, the US has never killed children through drone / airstrikes OR targeted civilians. Anyone who actually thinks that there's a team of lawyers sitting there, analyzing the drone footage in real-time to wage whether a AGM should be fired is "regarded", it's just a deflection tactic to emphasize how "careful & moral" they are. If the laywers even go over the drone strike, which I doubt, they'll just look at how many civilians are in an area, and wage whether you should drop leaflets etc. or just do the strike without notice. By your logic, My Lai massacre should not have happened, yet it did & people commit war crimes IN PERSON and listened to their commander.

    • @mothmoth4366
      @mothmoth4366 Місяць тому

      this is a very dumb strawman. None of that is remotley addressing what Jockito said. OF COURSE it's still possible for war crimes to happen despite procedures to stop them. That fact doesn't mean you can just pretend those procedures don't exist in order to paint a war in the most cartoonishly simple terms. @@based4573

    • @hammurabii.3173
      @hammurabii.3173 Місяць тому +10

      @@based4573 All you have said doesn't disprove the lack of a policy to target civilians wich was the initial claim. How hard is it to just follow what was said? Making the argument that targeting civilians is endemic in the IDF is completely different than arguing that there is a military policy to target civilians.

  • @rogerpicatus
    @rogerpicatus Місяць тому +18

    Next time someone starts running their frantic mouth that's precisely what I'm going to say: "Mister Borrelli, you're such a fantastic moron it's terrifying."

  • @sunwukong6917
    @sunwukong6917 Місяць тому +4

    Norm was right in everything

  • @mikesheehan5946
    @mikesheehan5946 2 місяці тому +366

    Too loud didn't read

    • @henrysarson7417
      @henrysarson7417 2 місяці тому +45

      Destiny got destroyed

    • @bordedup546
      @bordedup546 2 місяці тому +44

      @@henrysarson7417 norm wouldn't even let him read a quote from the un. very bad faith

    • @dootnoot867
      @dootnoot867 2 місяці тому +12

      @@bordedup546 thats based

    • @OhSlugggy
      @OhSlugggy 2 місяці тому +29

      @@bordedup546it’s okay, destiny’s whole career is bad faith

    • @robertcampomizzi7988
      @robertcampomizzi7988 2 місяці тому +2

      ​@@henrysarson7417 Is that what you think?

  • @tylermadison2073
    @tylermadison2073 2 місяці тому +148

    Benny Morris was living his best life

    • @davesprivatelounge
      @davesprivatelounge Місяць тому +21

      bro was just there for the destiny roast

    • @TidyDisarray
      @TidyDisarray Місяць тому +11

      @@davesprivateloungefr he even laughed at him when he wast being roasted by the opposition 🤣

    • @hhjhj393
      @hhjhj393 Місяць тому +20

      ​@@TidyDisarrayI mean I think he was laughing at how ridiculous Finklestein was. If you watch the whole thing he is out of control here and lex has to talk to him multiple times.

    • @maquacr7014
      @maquacr7014 Місяць тому +3

      ​@@hhjhj393 Nice hasbara.

    • @maquacr7014
      @maquacr7014 Місяць тому

      @@TapetBart Hasbara is everywhere.
      Germans tried to warn everyone about this.

  • @revanfein
    @revanfein Місяць тому +9

    I can't think of a better way to describe Mr. Borelli...

    • @adolfwigga
      @adolfwigga Місяць тому

      Intellectual can't own a gamer so he has to resort to insults 😂 that's when you know youve lost, when youve become that emotional

    • @revanfein
      @revanfein Місяць тому

      @@adolfwiggasometimes you win the argument and point out the idiocy of your opponent.

    • @adolfwigga
      @adolfwigga Місяць тому

      @@revanfein winners don't get emotional and butthurt. He's an old man and came off incredibly immature. Not a good look if you want to look reasonable. Which clearly a person using insults isn't and clearly isn't winning anything. Children act this way when they don't get what they want.

    • @revanfein
      @revanfein Місяць тому

      Agree to disagree my friend. I enjoyed every bit of smashing that Finklestein laid on this clown who thinks he is an intellectual. Some people are not even aware of their idiocy, it is a service to them to point it out.

    • @sampson4886
      @sampson4886 Місяць тому

      ​@adolfwigga hahaha coping hard bro. It's an insult to finkelsteins existence he has to debate a grifter that doesn't clearly know what he's talking about

  • @all-caps3927
    @all-caps3927 2 дні тому +1

    The fact that Mr Pirelli even has a seat at that bloody table is the joke of all jokes.

  • @70othl3ss4
    @70othl3ss4 2 місяці тому +171

    Can we all just respect the fact that finklestein is such a gentleman, to talk as slow as humanly possible to make sure Lex gets all that sweet ad revenue.

    • @UnfinishedBob
      @UnfinishedBob Місяць тому +1

      I for one can't wait to taste FIJI water.

    • @teedeed5390
      @teedeed5390 Місяць тому +3

      He’s not to be truffled with in this matter he’s educated and dedicated on Palestinian Isreali occupation facts and figures that’s are verified not just usual lies

    • @Idcwhatyouthink1234
      @Idcwhatyouthink1234 Місяць тому

      I support McDonald’s

  • @TheAbsoluteSir
    @TheAbsoluteSir 2 місяці тому +188

    The real question is why wasn't Lex moderating more?

    • @LimpyDog
      @LimpyDog 2 місяці тому +29

      In the full version Lex have a disclaimer in the beginning where he states he won’t moderate

    • @snuffcarl
      @snuffcarl 2 місяці тому +22

      I heard that disclaimer, the question is why he made that choice ?

    • @HelloOki
      @HelloOki 2 місяці тому

      why would you want the arguing to stop thats what were all here for idiot

    • @parasocialbondsmetaswvoits9078
      @parasocialbondsmetaswvoits9078 2 місяці тому +3

      он был в ахуе

    • @stratisclouds
      @stratisclouds 2 місяці тому +2

      @@snuffcarlbecause this is raw

  • @MehrdadParthian
    @MehrdadParthian Місяць тому +7

    this is the best example of why you shouldn't bring a kid to the grown ups party. this girl destiny, just kept on wailing instead of having either a pen in his hand and take notes when professors are speaking or at least have the dignity of being indignant enough to have an ice cream cone in his hand and sit and laugh at them while they have a discussion about the past, present and the future of the middle east.
    i bet Lex is punching a hole in every wall he sees right now...

  • @sarinat3101
    @sarinat3101 Місяць тому +2

    You can tell Destiny did well, because with thousands of comments ripping on him, not one seems to have any substantial criticism of him, it's all just more adhoms.

    • @ri3121
      @ri3121 Місяць тому

      It really is funny, but theyll never realise unless someone talks to them in real life. Its too easy for people to yas queen you over the internet for just saying an insult

  • @BENDANZHU
    @BENDANZHU 2 місяці тому +319

    When a level 1 newbie meets a level 100 raid boss..

    • @MagneVikjord
      @MagneVikjord 2 місяці тому +83

      Don’t you think Norm is getting completely outclassed in this clip? He’s messing up so hard on the military targeting piece

    • @djwestbrook36
      @djwestbrook36 2 місяці тому +107

      @@MagneVikjord lol your seeing something completely different 😂😂😂

    • @codyvandal2860
      @codyvandal2860 Місяць тому +89

      @@MagneVikjord Except IDF commanders are literally on the record discussing the deliberate targeting of civilians as military policy. How you don't know this basic fact I have no idea

    • @Jockito
      @Jockito Місяць тому +42

      ​@@codyvandal2860If that's true, why didn't Norm mention that in this debate if he's such an expert?

    • @codyvandal2860
      @codyvandal2860 Місяць тому +36

      @@Jockito "If" it's true? It is true.

  • @JohnLast300
    @JohnLast300 2 місяці тому +164

    Everytime Destiny speaks Norm is enraged lmao

    • @outvoid6847
      @outvoid6847 2 місяці тому +85

      shows you how scared he was of letting him speak

    • @invadercem2
      @invadercem2 2 місяці тому +118

      @@outvoid6847🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 okay

    • @masonterhorst
      @masonterhorst 2 місяці тому

      @@invadercem2 🤡

    • @lzsmashv2208
      @lzsmashv2208 2 місяці тому +54

      @@outvoid6847your coping so much 😂

    • @outvoid6847
      @outvoid6847 2 місяці тому +71

      @@lzsmashv2208 if his arguments are so stupid you'd expect a 40 year scholar on the subject to debunk them like its nothing. Instead he acted like a scared child

  • @melsonperos9566
    @melsonperos9566 Місяць тому +3

    when your calling ad hominem u already lost

  • @billojallow6604
    @billojallow6604 12 днів тому

    It is essential for individuals to be well-prepared and informed before engaging in a debate. Relying on real-time information retrieval during a discussion may indicate a lack of sufficient preparation. Engaging in a debate should be based on prior knowledge and understanding of the topic, as searching for information during the conversation could be perceived as a lack of expertise on the subject matter.

  • @emissary_kyle
    @emissary_kyle 2 місяці тому +322

    The only way my month would be completed would be if Destiny had a sparring session w/ Sean Strickland.

    • @eugger3011
      @eugger3011 2 місяці тому +35

      You know you're seething when you wish physical harm on someone instead of actually refuting any of their points.

    • @balzinderchhabra8804
      @balzinderchhabra8804 2 місяці тому +19

      This is the intellectual version of that. 🤣

    • @chrishernandez8504
      @chrishernandez8504 2 місяці тому +23

      @@balzinderchhabra8804 in what way? Was it when flinkle didn't know about -dolus speciales- that is essential to prove genocide and is cited multiple times in the ICJ report he claims to have read and to save himself he used Mens rea ? That's your intellectual Titan? When a person can out pace your knowledge of a subject in 5 months your no Titan of anything 😂😂

    • @jebalitabb8228
      @jebalitabb8228 2 місяці тому +5

      @@eugger3011look at the pfp are you surprised he resorted to violence so fast

    • @BIMYOUJR
      @BIMYOUJR 2 місяці тому +26

      @@jebalitabb8228 classic destiny fan, resorting to racism

  • @akwall47
    @akwall47 2 місяці тому +394

    This is unlistenable

    • @digjayd
      @digjayd 2 місяці тому +27

      Most Israel Palestine debates are unlistenable

    • @Dziaji
      @Dziaji 2 місяці тому +1

      Agreed. All 3 insufferable.

    • @zachdave2994
      @zachdave2994 2 місяці тому +25

      Norm never stops talking

    • @kushclarkkent6669
      @kushclarkkent6669 2 місяці тому +10

      Perfectly listenable to me. Maybe get your ears checked.

    • @porquee
      @porquee 2 місяці тому +4

      NORM NORM NORM NORM

  • @ivywild628
    @ivywild628 Місяць тому

    There is 4hrs of this!!! WATCH IN FULL its great ❤

  • @screenPhiles
    @screenPhiles Місяць тому +36

    That Destiny is even in the same room as Norm Finkelstein is way more than he deserves.

    • @BunchyPanther42
      @BunchyPanther42 Місяць тому +2

      Fr like why does Lex hate him so much to force him to deal with someone like Finklestein

    • @screenPhiles
      @screenPhiles Місяць тому +3

      @@BunchyPanther42 I honestly think Lex Fridman had relatively little to do with it. I've seen Destiny before and noticed his entire shtick is to talk about things he literally has no clue about.
      I'm not joking, he'll look something up, get a few factoids and mistake it for actual knowledge.
      To be fair the level of his delusion is fascinating (and maybe requiring psychologial intervention).

    • @BunchyPanther42
      @BunchyPanther42 Місяць тому +3

      @@screenPhiles I watch Destiny from time to time and I’ve gotten the opposite impression, dude will refuse to take a stand on anything until he feels like he knows enough about it and does quite a bit of research

    • @screenPhiles
      @screenPhiles Місяць тому +2

      @@BunchyPanther42 That doesn't contradict what I said. He takes a position on something, get a few factoids to support it and mistakes that for knowledge.
      It''s either arrogant or pathological and the proof is that he actually thought challenging someone who's literally devoted decades of their lives to studying a topic would work out well for him.

    • @BunchyPanther42
      @BunchyPanther42 Місяць тому +3

      @@screenPhiles it kinda does, he’s had multiple multi hour streams of doing research for months which to be fair I wouldn’t call him an expert by any means but Finklestein did awful for someone who’s done so much research. And even professor Morris the only one who has the most credibility of the 4 was constantly backing Destiny up when he said his pieces

  • @NeverTrust298
    @NeverTrust298 2 місяці тому +401

    "It's true I don't spend my nights on Wikipedia" LOOOOL

    • @jamesshepherd9390
      @jamesshepherd9390 Місяць тому +50

      Maybe he should have, then he might have been able to refute a single argument in that entire 5 hour video.

    • @ElKoubi1975
      @ElKoubi1975 Місяць тому +70

      @@jamesshepherd9390 I guess you didn't watch the debate

    • @jamesshepherd9390
      @jamesshepherd9390 Місяць тому

      @@ElKoubi1975 I know for a fact you didn't watch the debate. The only other choice would be that you are mentally ill, and I'm not that uncharitable.

    • @guyjackson1261
      @guyjackson1261 Місяць тому +64

      @@ElKoubi1975 I guess you didn't watch it, a "scholar" having temper tantrums and resorting to insults because his narratives where picked apart by "someone that only reads wikipedia"

    • @ElKoubi1975
      @ElKoubi1975 Місяць тому +25

      @@guyjackson1261 if that makes you feel better..... I am happy for you :)
      Jusdging by the ciments in the comments section, you must feel lonely (you will now argue that it is not the case, and that you are the majority lol

  • @creestee2229
    @creestee2229 2 місяці тому +45

    They tried to get ben shapiro but he didnt want to debate finkelstein so they settled with Destiny

    • @OmniTranscend
      @OmniTranscend Місяць тому

      Destiny and Shapiro. 2 cheeks of the same butt

    • @p.chuckmoralesesquire3965
      @p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 Місяць тому

      LOL one of the rare moments where shapino shows a glimpse of intelligence, nice.

    • @kaif4941
      @kaif4941 День тому

      @@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965 shapiro only won debate with college child

  • @comradeshmurda8103
    @comradeshmurda8103 Місяць тому +2

    Destinys voice is genuinely so hard to listen to. The mic crunchiness makes it so much worse

  • @itsacorporatething
    @itsacorporatething Місяць тому +3

    Destiny: aha! you said the march of return was mostly peaceful, but this UN report I just Googled said the march was mostly people but has elements of violence.

  • @Gamedino
    @Gamedino 2 місяці тому +120

    What episode of Curb is this from?

    • @UnfinishedBob
      @UnfinishedBob Місяць тому +11

      The one where Susie Greene says: nobody appreciates my complexity. And Larry says: How complex can you be? You're a Jew from the Bronx.

    • @SteinBergsson
      @SteinBergsson Місяць тому +2

      @@UnfinishedBob Perfect... :D

  • @runntlan7177
    @runntlan7177 2 місяці тому +188

    This dialog proves that there will never be peace

    • @zootsoot2006
      @zootsoot2006 2 місяці тому +45

      One side driven by logic and attempts to reach a rational solution, the other driven by emotion and literal ad-hominem attacks. Yep, this debate sums up the entire issue.

    • @runntlan7177
      @runntlan7177 2 місяці тому +14

      @@zootsoot2006 theres no logic when they are both motivated by religious ideologies

    • @xzxzz7543
      @xzxzz7543 2 місяці тому

      Are you sure it both sides ....cuz to me one side tries to displace people using 2000 year old excuse while the other side tries to fight back .@@runntlan7177

    • @lollmao249
      @lollmao249 2 місяці тому +43

      ​@@runntlan7177nope. One side is motivated by imperialism and another side is motivated by rationality.

    • @Wise__guy
      @Wise__guy 2 місяці тому +12

      @@runntlan7177have you listened to any of this? The issue is about Land before religion

  • @ayaan5386
    @ayaan5386 Місяць тому +8

    Destiny clearly lacked knowledge on the situation so he tried talking as fast as possible but it didnt work this time

  • @ivosalvador3374
    @ivosalvador3374 Місяць тому +18

    Norman is all of us in that moment

  • @MrMAXZ888
    @MrMAXZ888 2 місяці тому +53

    Norm "Raging against them machines" Finkelstein.

    • @dannyarcher6370
      @dannyarcher6370 2 місяці тому +2

      This needs more likes. Have one.

    • @zachdave2994
      @zachdave2994 Місяць тому

      Norm “rape and experimentation on millions makes no difference to me” Finklestein. He’s likened Israel to the Reich.

  • @HelloOki
    @HelloOki 2 місяці тому +94

    He said "hilarious" sarcastically / satirically how did you not pick up on that

    • @70othl3ss4
      @70othl3ss4 2 місяці тому +15

      He was acting like destiny actually found it hillarious tho

    • @MachoMaster
      @MachoMaster 2 місяці тому +58

      ​@@70othl3ss4
      That was in response to Destiny smiling, laughing and showing that he is not taking the Finkelstein-described crimes seriously.

    • @cydra_infinity1423
      @cydra_infinity1423 2 місяці тому +17

      Lex is always on Israel’s side

    • @mojojojo560
      @mojojojo560 Місяць тому +4

      That’s easy, Lex is a mouthpiece.

    • @mohammadalirashed3103
      @mohammadalirashed3103 Місяць тому +2

      @@MachoMaster He wasn't laughing at the nature of the crimes, but the manner in which Finklestein was describing them. Obviously nobody thinks innocent people dying is funny.

  • @snakey934Snakeybakey
    @snakey934Snakeybakey Місяць тому +15

    "Mr. Bortellini, let me just ask you this? Did you or did you not vote for Benito Mussolini?"
    "That happened to 64 years before I was born,"
    "Don't try to change the subject Mr. Boteccelli."

  • @mukesh_bombay
    @mukesh_bombay 7 годин тому

    “I will even answer moron’s questions” underrated line

  • @ace6664
    @ace6664 2 місяці тому +58

    "an entire apparatus is designed to approve a strike" like the iraq war until julian d'assange leaked the strikes right?

    • @plumbus813
      @plumbus813 Місяць тому +5

      Different country, different military

    • @ambot186
      @ambot186 Місяць тому +3

      Is julian d'assange in the room with us right now?

    • @thelastsigmamale
      @thelastsigmamale Місяць тому +6

      @@plumbus813every military usually does this shit, don’t be naive

    • @fafolaw
      @fafolaw Місяць тому +2

      Until someone proves otherwise leaking info or something like that, no

    • @YotamAlbalach
      @YotamAlbalach Місяць тому

      @@fafolaw Someone people believe "guilty, until proven innocent" when it comes to anything pro-Western. It's definitely not a clear sign of Marxism, don't worry about it. Forget I've said anything.