DIY Fireplace Installation - Framing and Final Connections
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- In this video, I complete the framing around the fireplace, make the final connections (vent and gas), then conduct a test of the fireplace.
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How awesome!!!
Excellent DIY video! Great detail, explanations (things can always be done more than one way, so I do appreciate the comments on 'why' you did something), to-the-point, camera placement (plus the use of fixed camera positions!!), and I appreciate the sped-up video pace with the commentary. One can speed up the UA-cam playback speed, but then the commentary is also sped up. If I need to slow a visual down, I still have that option with UA-cam.
It's all of the little things that really make a difference in the value of these videos.......like not having distracting background music during the body of the video. Sometimes it's actually useful to hear the sounds of what you are doing. If when I do it, it 'sounds' the same, that adds to the Law of Association that increases my confidence that I am doing it 'right'.
The key to a valuable tutorial video is no matter how good someone explains a topic or concept, the video demonstration provides the supplemental perspective to mitigate any misinterpretations of the verbal or written descriptions, and you've done that very well! Thanks for the information!
Wow! Thanks for the feedback!
Never could have imagined you could add a fireplace to existing house. How cool!
Absolutely. Especially gas or electric.
This fireplace created the ambiance I wanted. Beautiful and stylish. I added a rustic mantle shelf above it and love the look
Here’s a second version of this design only smaller with an electric fireplace:
ua-cam.com/video/kvf8Il5U1Ms/v-deo.html
Big Up HandyDad !
Thanks so much for this. I've been looking for this exact video for a while now.
My pleasure. Glad it was helpful.
Awesome 👏🏽
Thank you so much for your amazing step by step instruction video
My pleasure. Thanks so much 😊
Love your house 👌
Great job with the planning and detail here. Gave a thumbs up as soon as I saw you break out the rockwool. I'm actually putting it on all sides to try to keep the heat in the cavity down and reduce any 'sub box' sound issues created in the cavity (media room).
Good idea
Good stuff!
Atlas North Chimney thanks for sharing
Thanks for your input!
Diy? Sir you're a Pro 👍 Great explanation, and video!
Nope, just a thrifty homeowner.
Easy to setup and install regardless of the type of gas used (natural gas or propane). I highly recommend this product.
Thanks
Great video. Very informative 👌🏻
Thanks so much 😊
Great job..I will subscribe after I come back from the homedepot
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Great video good clear explanations. I'm fitting a cast iron insert to a brick chimney and can't find any videos showing how to secure to the bricks? Is it stuck on with fire cement or framed and screwed? Any advice greatly appreciated been searching you tube for about a year . Many thanks
This is beautiful! My and and I bought a gas insert and plan on building our own fire place this is definitely what I want ! How difficult was it and where did you get the plans? I love the rock is it real and what did you use? Thank you so much
Denise from Ga
looks good! imo i would not use phosphate screws in durock/concrete board, especially that small with all the weight of the stone/tile.. stud then plywood then liquid nail and screw durock on. i love the built ends
Great Job!
Thanks 😊
Nice job!
Thanks!
Thank you
Glad it was helpful 👍🏻
Great work
Thanks 😊
I’m a fireplace tech in Canada and would NOT recommend putting rock wool insulation around your vent. 1 inch clearance TO EVERYTHING. (Only for the vent.) the vent gets very, very hot. I have seen smelly fireplaces that this was the culprit. Is also a fire hazard. Other than that was a great installation. Good job.
How can it be a fire hazard? Rockwool is non-combustible. I installed it per my inspector’s instructions.
“ROCKWOOL insulation won’t burn, or release toxic gases or smoke when exposed to high heat.” Per www.rockwool.com/learning/fire-safety/
Rockwool isn’t combustible, I suppose it may be possible for it to smell after being heated and cooled multiple times
eXcellent vid HandyD! thanks :D
Thanks so much 😊
Nice job
Thanks 😊
very good video
Thanks 😊
Looks good I’m wondering where those drywall screws you were using and is that a moisture treated piece of 2 x 4 you have going against the concrete ? Looks great man good work
Yes, normal drywall screws. Didn’t think about moisture from the concrete. Whoops 😬
You inspired me to light a fire for the first time but all I had was one of those sawdust logs from two years ago and it was pathetic.
@handydadtv thank you so much for this series of videos, we've followed it and has been a great guide for a project with my father-in-law! Question on your venting - did you use the 4ft flexible vent kit, or did you have to get a longer extension?
I used a single flexible vent. No extension.
This was helpful. I struggled with sketch up. How did you add just one wall? Also what were your resources for fire safe materials?
First of all, I have a daughter named Becca so you’re already like family. 😉
SketchUp is a great tool but I’m no expert. It starts with a blank canvas, so I just draw the minimum stuff that I need to communicate my vision to the wife. I also use layers to show/hide components as needed.
As for fire safe materials, I used cement backer board from Home Depot and stone veneer from Norstone. I did a separate video on this topic ua-cam.com/video/VJGivGau8g0/v-deo.html
Ok I see it's gas...Your good... lol .... I've dealt with a few houses where people put in the wrong pipes and their chimney caught on fire.. I see now what you have and didn't doubt you just flipping thru UA-cam for other reasons and saw your vid and thought wow this guy did such a great job - than I missed the electric gas part - so yea your good... nice job it's so great to see people just do stuff they've never done and do such a great job...
Whew! You had me worried for a minute.
What type of sealer did you use for the venting? High temp silicone sealant or did you use a fire block sealant? Performing a very similar project with the same vent kit and fireplace and love how yours turned out.
The tube was sent from eFireplaceStore with the fireplace. I didn’t pay attention to the brand but it may have been this one: www.efireplacestore.com/cpf-81137.html?refnum=Dec-298-2893
Amazon has it and its 33% cheaper for double the amount. I support the little guy as much as possible, but I think the days of massively overcharging for parts and incidentals in the hvac field are ending.
Great Video. Love it! Can drywall be used above the fireplace or must it be concrete board?
You can use drywall if you’re just going to paint it. The cement board was needed because I covered it with stone.
Im an installer, and many gas units have minimum requirements of steel studs and concrete board above and around the unit. It is different for every unit though.
Great videos. I am currently moving a gas fireplace from one part of my house to another. I am looking to use your idea of using the metal stud and sheet metal to create the wall pass through as you did. Did the inspector say anything negatively about that? I am a fairly skilled fabricator and would hate to have to spend gobs of money on a pre-fabbed unit. Im going to ask a local inspector too, I just wanted to heard about your experience. Thanks!
He said it was fine. He even suggested filling it with rockwool insulation. I didn't think of that.
@@handydadtv Thanks for the reply!
Great video, is there no requirement for the fireplace itself to not be touching wood? Seems odd there is a clearance requirement above when you put the fireplace directly on plywood and studs right next to it.
The heat comes out the front and rises. Everywhere else is well insulated so it can be installed next to wood.
@@handydadtv Right, I get the concern with the mantle, just expected the generally overly cautious code to include some clearance below and to the sides, but if not, that makes things a lot easier. Thanks for the quick reply.
I have similarly constructed fireplace, but the TV is not recessed. I wold like to modify it. Do you think cutting those middle studs and pushing the cement wall back 10 inches would be an issue in terms of fire hazard? Does it get really hot behind that wall (above the fireplace, but inside of the framing)?
Great video, btw, it helped me understand what I have behind the wall. Thank you.
I didn’t operate the fireplace (other than a test) before closing the wall. So I can’t say for sure, but I assume the pipe gets hot and that’s why they specify minimum distance to combustibles in the installation manual.
It’s impossible to know how far back you can push back the wall above the fireplace unless you open it to see how the pipe runs. It might be a rear vent and you’d be golden. If it goes straight up and you’d be stuck. If it bends, like mine, you’ll need to lookup the manual or call the manufacturer.
@@handydadtv Thank you so much for responding. One more question please.
I had an idea of placing the central speaker 15 inches above the fireplace. The idea is to install this www.houzz.com/product/139253654-zachary-non-combustible-shelf-whitewash-72-transitional-fireplace-mantels
5 inches above the top of the fireplace itself, then leave 5 inches of space and then the speaker.
As the speaker is 5" deep, and this non combustible shelf mantel is 9" deep it seems it would be well protected from any direct heat. However, the speaker would be only 15 inches from the top of the fireplace. And while 15" much more then what the manual is asking for mantel (6 1/2"), it is not made of solid wood. The questions is, do you know if these mantels get hot or the top remains cold like mortar?
Your link is a non-combustible mantle so it will absorb/deflect the direct heat effectively. Still, convection currents wrap around my mantle and my TV and speaker bar do get warm. But I wouldn't say hot.
@@handydadtv I understand. Will install it and see how it goes. 9" deep sounds assuring, but you never know until you try it.
Thanks a lot for a great video and all the help.
how did you do the electrical work
Odd question...we are considering installing out own fire place and I saw that you mentioned getting it inspected. I am still researching all of this...is getting it inspected required? and how do you find someone to inspect it?
Inspection is a requirement (and benefit) of getting a building permit. You need to contact your town’s construction department.
You might not see this as I see it was posted a year ago but where did you actually find the firebox to install? Any recommendations? Thanks for your videos
I see you. 👋🏻
There is a link in the video description to the exact fireplace I used.
Hey HandyDad, you gonna set up that fireplace with Alexa?
im trying to do that now, but having issues.
Nah, I have more control with the remote, such as a built in thermostat.
Looking ahead to a similar project with the 42" version of that Empire fireplace bought online as you did. So thanks for the video, especially doing the framing and the gas.
We are still considering contracting the install or doing some blend combining my work in the mix. Hey, are you interested?! (Gig Harbor, WA...could possibly offer some vacation accommodation as part of the deal!)
Our install is on an outside wall with 2x6 framing and not a big wall space - more of a feature wall concept. Plus, we are setup with LP, not Natural Gas.
I had a couple questions: 1) Why didn't you use the old fireplace flue and run 4" inner pipe up to a new dual pipe cap? 2) Can one use that stainless gas pipe for LP? 3) I didn't see a video on the tile work to complete the surround...did I miss it? I'll scan the collection again, too.
Thanks.
Answered 3) with my further review of the series. Nice job!! I love the ease of stone setting and no need for messy grout! Perfect. Now to my drawing board...is there a comparable program to Sketchup for Chromebooks that you'd recommend?
I didn’t use the old flue because it was capped 15 years ago and it would be treacherous to remove the cap and redo the flue. More work and cost for no benefit, other than avoiding the direct vent.
I am almost positive you can use CSST pipe with propane too, but check with your inspector first.
Thanks for the vacation offer but I’ll have to pass.
Glad you found the stone video because that’s the icing on the cake! Looks great and so easy to install.
Great video!
May I ask what’s your framing depth and width?
Thanks! The framing was 4’6” wide and 20” deep. The height of the mantle was around 4’3”.
@@handydadtv thank you very much!
Nice video, i installed a pilot system, the tubing seems to be very close to the open flames, is this ok
I suggest you follow the manual and call the manufacturer if you have questions or concerns. There’s no way I could tell you if it’s okay.
@@handydadtv i understand , i followed the instructions just seems close to the flames. Steel rated for very high temps il put my hand in there see how hot it gets
Ty for the video. I have a question I hope you can help me with. The metal ^ brackets that are on the top of the fireplace insert on either side of the Flue. Are these removeable if not used in the framing process? I'm redoing the front of my fireplace and on my insert they stick out too far, and I'd like to remove them. I don't have any literature on the fireplace insert it's over 25 years old.
They are there for your safety so you don’t put combustible materials too close to the heat. Don’t remove them.
@@handydadtv That's what I figured. Thanks for the reply
Did I miss where you said how wide the framed part of the fireplace is? We have a 36 inch wide fireplace and framed the surround to 60 inches, but it seems like it might be too narrow
My fireplace is 39” wide and the FINISHED width of the stone is 57”, so the framing must have been around 54-1/2” wide. You’re good with 60” for your framing. It’s going to look awesome!
I'm looking at a gas direct vent fireplace. Reading through the warranty info, it states "The gas appliance must be installed by a licensed, authorized
service technician or contractor qualified and authorized installer, service agency or supplier." Does this mean that the warranty is void if I do the installation myself? What's your experience or thought with this?
I’m no lawyer, but as long as it’s installed according to the local codes and installation instructions, they’ll stand by their warranty against manufacturing defects.
Mostly a liability thing as well. If you burn your house down because you screwed up the install you cant go back and blame the manufacturer.
Handydad, what's the best way to determine the framing above an exising gas fireplace, looking to mount tv above fireplace??
I think you need to determine the make and model so you can get specs from the manufacturer. Otherwise you’d just be guessing.
@@handydadtv I'll find that info, thanks.
What Rockwool insulation did you use to fireproof?
I don’t know the specifics. I bought what I could find at Home Depot.
God Bless Maria's mother and Amanda my granddaughter ❤️
You should remind people that you used a steel liner as well and not for a wood-burning fireplace aluminum can be used for gas burners but would have to be properly sized
I’m no expert. I just followed the directions.
I have a fire place built in 1956....It takes up space in my kitchen. I want to break the wall and take back a few feet so I can add a bigger fridge. Is that possible? When I knock on the wall it sound hollow on a large part of it. Was the extra space done on purpose or can I reclaim it?
You won’t know until you start removing the plaster or drywall. Just remember that walls were built for a reason, and usually it’s to support whatever is above them. Never remove a wall unless you 100% sure it’s not load-bearing.
what is that wonderboard? and how do you fasten it to the top of the fireplace under that 6 inch gap? im assuming that there has to be something done to connect that since you dont have anything like the sides do with their cripples to fasten to
Yes it’s Wonderboard. The fireplace is only attached on the sides, not on the top.
@@handydadtv sir, what i mean is "what is wonderboard?"
Oh sorry. It’s cement board. Non-combustible.
@@handydadtv is there a particular thickness required?
Not really. It’s primary purpose is a backer board for tile or stone veneer. My stone was heavy so I used 1/2” sheets (or thereabouts). It comes thinner but I wanted thicker.
Could you please tell me the height of your fireplace mantel and bookcase?
4’ 3”
What product did you use for the high temp sealant?
I used the sealant sent by eFireplaceStore. I don’t remember the brand. It wasn’t anything I’d heard of.
Thank you. Looks like it was Rutland Seal It Right Direct Vent Sealant.
I do have One Question for You> Did you use a Stainless Steel Liner? I only ask out of Concern for Safety reasons and Im sure a Inspector would have noticed -
Are you talking about the vent pipe or the firebox? In both cases, I used the accessories specified in the fireplace installation manual. And it might surprise you but the inspector didn’t ask.
Whats the name of the skecthing app you used?
SketchUp
I want to get a gas fire place but... the gas line. I wonder if it is too costly to run a gas line from the kitchen to the living room. The house is open concept not sure how it will work out :(
Plumbers will usually give you a free estimate. Have you considered electric?
What height cabinets are these?
Probably 36”
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what brand fire place is this
never mind found it in the description my bad, had a man look
what is the name of the program to design?
Sketchup
@@handydadtv is it hard to figure out? does it already have framing material dimensions in it or does a person have to create 2x4's and such in it?
There are tons of tutorials on UA-cam. It doesn’t have any materials built-in but it’s easy to draw one and reuse it elsewhere. Or there may be libraries with them. I draw everything from scratch.
@@handydadtv i do too, but on graph or printer paper, and kinda "build on paper"
If you suck at nailing use a framing nailer
I’ve tried. They are wickedly powerful and take skill. I didn’t use it often enough to be comfortable with it.
Nice work but not showing the completed wall with the fireplace burning was a let down.
Oh ok so you got from Ktt that's great but I wanted to know if for your sake that You put in a Stainless Steel liner- That's is the tube that goes from the top of the firebox out your roof. I watched most of the video and I didn't see a Gas Hook up so i am assuming that this is a just a wood burning fire place - If it is Just a wood burning fire place and not gas than you would have had to use a stainless steel liner as opposed to an Aluminum - Not trying to invade your space but want to share this important issue with you.. I know this is not your primary job and wanted to make sure you know the difference between a Stainless steel liner and an aluuminum liner which again is the Round Tube that evacuate the emissions/smoke etc. at first I thought is look Stainless steel than I thought looks aluminum when i saw the crimps - am I missing something perhaps?? and yes the vent or pipe I am speaking of
This is the vent kit I got for the Empire Tahoe NG fireplace: www.efireplacestore.com/cui-dvvk4f.html
The description says it’s 2-ply aluminum.
Framing inspection lol.
Yes. It was required before closing the walls.
Getting new phone
Congrats 🎊
Fire foam ... not insulation ... or fire silicon rated for high heat and 2 firestops not metal framing need
I wish you were the inspector. I followed his advice.