It's also probably a rich person who thought they could reach their dreams by exploiting others. Lots of stories about people who don't even have the basics of mountaineering going up - it has very much become pay your way and the Sherpa's get the raw deal. Not to mention all the waste that gets left behind.
“That won’t happen to me” is such a big killer among young people. I’ve seen it with drugs, alcohol, stunts, and safety regulations. It’s all fun and games until you’re in the burn unit, unable to be sedated because it might kill you, living through every agonizing second of severe burns all over your body. I’ve seen it. Edit: did I say it never happens to older people under any circumstances?
She makes it sound like if they didn’t oversell everyone would summit. But the fact is, demand has risen so much for Everest, and there are so many tourists and rich thrill seekers coming to the mountain now, not actual mountain climbers, that there are thousands of people a year that cannot make it and are forced to turn back without summiting. Overselling is a combination of demand, ratio of climbers who would make the summit, and space. There are only 2 main routes to the summit and a total of 15 routes all together. This creates bottlenecks and the demand creates overselling. Sad thing is the problem is only going to get worse. Several of the paths are so full of trash and discarded equipment now that the beauty of the site is being compromised.
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@@TheWokeWarlock you make a great point. From what I know it's common for *experienced climbers* to take multiple attempts before successfully reaching the summit; not due to the line-up but as a result of the physical toll it takes on your body. I've even heard of people who've scaled some of the worlds most difficult summits turning back at the half-way point because they underestimated the difficulty of climbing Mount Everest. I'm interested to hear more from you. How do you know so much about the routes, have you worked at Everest? Edit: I've also heard many times that most deaths occur during the descent. Do you know if this has anything to do with the queues and/or air pressurization?
Funny how the biggest problems people have with one thing typically apply to most everything else? Lack of knowledge and information, the belief that “it won’t be me” etc definitely are big problems in all aspects of life.
I had a friend when I was young that lost both of her parents when they climbed Everest without oxygen and wandered off in a storm b/c they were delirious. She became an orphan when we were 7. That really shaped my perspective of what is an acceptable risk and when it’s better to find your happiness doing something else.
@@missJolie85 asking about it bluntly like it's not a touchy subject at all lol. also, one of the points of this short was that people dying at Mt. Everest is an unfortunate, yet common occurence. not every incident gets broadcasted. and where did they say they understood something at the age of 7? all they said was that it shaped their perspective around risks and that their friend was orphaned at the age of 7. is reading comprehension that difficult?
@@missJolie85understand when the appropriate time to be a contrarian is. But if you’re going to be one here, it’s fair to question legitimacy, but just have an ounce of sensitivity and empathy when asking.
I cannot imagine two people taking such a stupid risk TOGETHER while they have a young child together. I’m sure losing her parents must have been awful for her, and I know it’s awful to say it, but… honestly she may have been better off. They do not sound like good parents at all.
I actually read about a couple that died on Everest leaving their child behind. The woman was trying to be the first woman to sumit without oxygen (and she was) but she started losing it on her way down. Husband ran back to base camp to get oxygen but disappeared on his way up. She was found by another group who tried to help her down (giving up their own chance) and then had to leave her bc they couldn’t get her the rest of the way. They found the husband years later in a crevasse - he’d fallen and died on his way up. The whole thing is tragic on so many levels and makes me so angry at their irresponsiblity when they had a child!
There's a shocking amount of cases where BOTH parents decide to go do it. It's shocking how little thought goes into these things. Those poor children.
The most annoying thing of all time is having a hobby or goal, failing it, then being told it was better not to try. I would much rather die doing what I love than live never trying it. If you want to climb Everest and die trying, at least you died doing what you wanted to do, living free.
@MarcoNegrisEye im a smoker i couldn't do it. I could never imagine even getting close to Mt Everest. Ill listen to stories like this or see it on TV that's enough for me.
To be clear, it’s not the queues but what the queues do. There’s only a handful of good summiting days during the climbing window, so when more licences are being sold than ever before queues build up around the bottle-necks… this means people are spending longer in the death zone than they should, and then descending later in the day and more fatigued. Vast majority of deaths happen on the way down rather than up.
I have a friend who has NEVER climbed. Neither has her family. They are trying to talk her into summiting Everest with them and I'm like trying to talk reason without being a jerk about it.
There are some really good UA-cam videos on Shriya Shah-Klorfine, who was an inexperienced climber who died on Everest. The good ones also talk about the risks and impact she had on other climbers in their attempts. Everest may not be the most technically challenging climb, but the lack of oxygen and congestion of people means going slow can kill.
@hiramrichmond3341 she's the type that if you are a jerk, she simply shuts down communication and refuses to listen to anything you have say. So I have to dance around.
I have cancer and a neurological disorder and I am absolutely so happy that I don't feel the need to have the "live my life to the max" cope with illness. Just love a chill, relaxing life with friends and family, I promise you it's way better than needing to fill the void with extreme behaviors!
It’s sad that we live in a world where we need to prove that we’re high achievers, adding ’accolades’ to our cv that can potentially cost us our lives, which only the wealthy can afford ..just for a shred of ‘respect’. I find it far more respectable when people appreciate the fragility and brevity of life by enjoying the ‘mundane’ things. I wish I could add to my cv “homebody, no desire to climb Everest or own a Rolex, never happier than when walking home with groceries, enjoys what ‘little’ she has, a life with risks but without recklessness, mostly littered with failures and underwhelming ‘progress’, privileged to be here.”, and for that to be considered an asset.
Ditto. I hope you continue knowing that you are enough with nothing to prove. I had cancer at 27, congestive heart failure after my 3rd child by C-section at 37, neuralgia in my head and extremities stemming from a 4x rollover crash at 21, several auto-immune disorders, and I have a gastric stimulator implanted due to gastroparesis. Some of what I deal with stems from giving it my all, some from happenstance. I was an athlete and world traveler. I am so content to be a homebody raising my children and cherishing family and friends.
@@coomessa4002 honestly, sometimes I struggle being in public; watching couples or families with their kids running around, listening to them complain about the most minor nonsense, it’s painful to see and hear, these people have their health, a family, and enough privilege for a leisurely stroll in the middle of the day, or to fill up their overflowing carts in a supermarket. I can’t think of anything greater than having a healthy family and affording to put food on the table. Many people will remain alone (not from lack of trying) and will eat their meals alone (if they can even afford to eat), and I can’t imagine a sadder existence. I’m sorry to read or your troubles, and I have no intention to reduce them, I’m glad you’ve made it through this far, and I’m glad to read that you appreciate the ‘small’ (huge) moments that actually matter ❤️
Unfortunately it's not the only summit with a queue at the top. I live near a nice day-hike with a steep climb to a summit with a distinctive landmark and great views - it's now become a selfie spot and people line up for photos and get mad if you just want to hang out and enjoy the view.... I hike less Instagrammable trails now mostly.
Whenever I hear someone’s reasons for trying to climb Everest, I want to encourage them to run ultramarathons instead. Most of the time, it would accomplish a similar goal, and you’re way less likely to die and way less likely to cause someone else’s death.
@@teddymarian9416yah people love doing things that made other people die for some reason. Also he didnt just run a marathon. He ran at least 2 marathons in one day because he ran one way to inform the government marathon was being attacked and ran the other way to tell the troops in marathon theu would recieve reinforcements and he was a professional runner/messenger but he did it at the fastest speed he could because both messages were urgent. He ran at least 50+ miles in probably a few hrs. well thats the story at least. Also the reason he didnt use a horse is because actually trained humans actually have better endurance than horses (slower speed but can go longer distances without breaks because of our superior cooling). Actually one of the american 100 mile races used to be a horse race but some crazy guys thought they could beat the horses by running it and now its a famous ultramarathon only for humans
She didn’t really mean line as in “crowded” I don’t think. It’s more so that you have to be up there for months for your body to adjust to the climate and the climb is so hard if you die or get injured no one can help you. I think it’s the danger and impossibility of it that’s the allure. People want to flex by saying they survived, until they’re one of the ones that didn’t
Overcrowding on Everest has led to so much pollution and waste left behind each season. In my opinion it's unethical to climb Everest at this point. Leave nature alone.
Might I remind you that the city you live in used to be nature? If people "left nature alone" we wouldn't have civilization, it's just a matter of not being a dumbass about it, no need to pollute a beautiful place, ruining the experience for everyone when you can just keep stuff together in bags and backpacks
@@Indigo24-y7yThat's also not true. There's been Sherpas and climbers who have dedicated hours and hours to trash removal on Everest and they've taken off TONS off the mountain.
I'm the person who thinks the opposite: "it probably WILL happen to me". Thus I live my life too cautiously. I don't even fancy a trip to base camp of Everest. I like watching films about people who do it though, I find that quite inspiring for my less intense challenges in my own life.
Me too, and I think the worst things happen when you least expect them to. There’s been so many instances in my life where I thought, “nah, there’s no way this bad thing will happen this one time” and it always does.
I've had to overcome a lot in life and had a lot of bad stuff happen to me, but what keeps me going is my INTENSE fear that I will go my whole life resenting myself for not doing it. That I made excuses as to why I couldn't, and only realize it when it's too late. I absolutely love this quote from Shakespeare. I memorized it for times when I'm nervous, "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once." Hopefully something I said helps 😅
@@adiidiAs someone who is more than well aquatinted with failure, my best way to cope with that type of thinking is to look at people who were successful, but only after trying LOTS of times and failing. Cliché, but nonetheless great examples are Disney, as I believe he was rejected by HUNDREDS of banks to make disneyworld. Dr. Seuss was rejected I believe like 40 times to get his first book published. Maybe it isn't failing that's the problem, it's giving up. You got this ❤️
@@darwest8833my lil brother and i used to race motocross too. Then years later he got into scuba diving and i got into rockclimbing/mountainclimbing. I never made it to k2 or everest but 30 years ago i was hoping i could climb them.
Yeah I get that Nepal needs the tourism money but frankly this isn't a tourist place. This is not a place on earth humans can live or are meant to be. The climb should've always been heavily restricted like Antarctica research station or protected natural resource or reserve to just a few certified professionals or the natives. Strictly licensed and by few strict quota. And for probably some kind of serious purpose like science or fundraising for a legitimate cause as a requirement to climb. Like restricted to people who are like the first climbers, well trained serious professionals and who did it for a purpose.
I had a family member die on everest. The health screen before the trip didn't pick up a minor heart condition. Autopsy confirmed that the standard tests wouldn't pick it up it was so minor. Not so minor that it didn't cause her to die when she was at base camp. I had another family member return safe from base camp. Imo, not worth the risk. Plenty of amazing things you can do without directly endangering yourself.
“You don’t think it’ll be you” can affect anyone at any age. I’m a nurse and people are shellshocked when something is amputated and they come to realize how inaccessible and inconvenient the world is for people with visible/ non-visible disabilities.
Wow, a tourist destination where it's overcrowded, you stand in line for hours, you will be exhausted, might run out of oxygen, become delirious, fall in a crevasse, starve, freeze to death, and your body will be used as a way marker? Where do i sign up? What madness! 🤷😳
A guy I used to work for did all 7 summits and died on Everest completing this mission. He is still up there as far as I know. The queue was what got him too…
Remember when scaling Mt. Everest was this rare thing? Once you have to walk in a line with dozens of other people, maybe it’s time to stop thinking you’re amazing.
"That won't happen to me" is a thought I had before the first time I was in a car accident where the vehicle was totalled (I was in 4th grade, so not driving). It was an enlightening and humbling experience. I've been in 2 more accidents where the car was totalled since (3 different drivers, none me). I know better than to think I'm the main character. I had a coworker who told me a story about her sister who had died. She had some condition, I don't remember what, possibly a severe asthma? Something breathing related. Went to another room, away from her breathing machine, had an attack or whatever, and died trying to get to the machine that would help her. Never forget how valuable it is to have the choice to live.
As a person battling Cystic Fibrosis too, it is phenomenal that he can climb any mountain much more *”done all the main summits of the world.”* Wonder if he is on TRIKAFTA? 🇨🇦
I think climbing Mount Everest is a very high-functioning form of self-harm at this point. I think this is true for a lot of overachiever sportsmen. Ace climber Alex Honnold said (in so many words), "Yeah, I could die free soloing El Capitan, but it's not like anybody needs me to be alive. My wife would be sad, but she'd get over it." Like....dude. That is textbook suic*dal ideation cloaked in high performance athleticism. It's sad and unhealthy.
It`s just a matter of scale. We all take calculated risks, people just set different boundaries. I saw the docu of Alex Honnols climbing and watched him do talks about it. He puts great effort into preparing and taking safety measures. Of course it`s still very dangerous, but I am not convinced these people have a death wish. (In case of Honnold it seems more like he is matter of fact due to autism or something like that) We all take these unnecessary risks on a very small scale. Every time I use a ride in an amusement park I have to get the thought out of my head that these things sometimes break and people die because of that. There is no reason for me to use these rides except that I like the feeling of adrenalin, freedom and elation. It`s an unnecessary risk to take, but I do. The feeling of freedom, adrenalin and elation is exactly the reasons why these extreme athletes do what they do. So where do you wanna draw the line? Climbing Everest is stupid at this point, though. It`s a mass tourism experience with little benefit except to say "I was there, got the T-Shirt".
Didn’t he have some kind of testing or brain scan that showed the part of the brain that processes fear and risk is way underdeveloped in him? I thought his lack of fear has to be why he’s so good at climbing. Anyone else would hesitate or get nervous in scary situations, but he’s cool as a cucumber.
There's a difference between wanting to die and accepting that you might die in the course of living. One of them we all do to a certain extent every day when we climb into a car or make unhealthy choices every day, and the other demands immediate mental health care.
@SirLied Yeah, but when you have a wife and kid, to a certain extent, it is no longer about you. Committing to parenthood means you have to consider things differently than when you're single. I've read about so many extreme sportsmen who died and left behind young children. That's not right. We can make it sound pretty like "he died doing what he loved." But the truth is you took a foolish risk and now your kid is fatherless or motherless.
As a nurse I feel like I'm constantly reminding people that just because something is legal and available doesn't mean it's totally safe. There's always room for human error or mechanical failure. Rollercoasters, bungee jumping, even swimming in the ocean or walking around at night in dark clothing, etc ..we see it every day. People are not careful at all. Everyone should take personal responsibility for their safety but like she said, people don't think it will happen to them. People should realize that everyone it has happened to thought the same.
@burkles4456 Basically, take all necessary precautions to lower the risks as much as possible. You can still go out, but it's better not to go out at night. If you do, you can wear clothing that makes you easier to see (don't want to be hit by a car or anything). Stuff like that. I'm pretty sure someone else can make more examples, though.
My husband got absolutely slammed by a wave while we were on vacation, he was in the process of protecting our daughter so she didn’t get hurt. He broke his heel into 4 pieces and was bruised all over from the impact. This was a normal day at that beach, too, people were getting pummeled everywhere but nobody was stopping anyone. We misjudged, it happens, but I’m not going to stop getting into the water on vacation
It's a combination of overconfidence and immaturity/inexperience (although sometimes they're also experienced), while blinded by the idea of achieving a dream. They probably do think "it could happen to me" but they'll also think they can handle it! It's tricky because sometimes things do require confidence and bravery, but people also need to evaluate their level of experience more. I'm like you, anxiety keeps reminding me. Maybe a little too much at times! 😅
@@silverdweller2809 100% truth right there. Beautiful comeback. I too, would rather not be frozen litter on a mountain where I can be covered over in ice and stepped on by random climbers. I'm good thanks, tea is good😅
I summit a mountain a few miles from my house two years ago. On the way back I noticed a mountain lion following me. Going into the mountain wilderness is inherently dangerous regardless of location. Always do a risk assessment and be prepared
I went to Nepal and enjoyed watching Mount Everest and peaks around it from close enough distant. Nice nepalis lady made all of us tourist ginger tea and we all watched sunrise sipping on tea.
@ you would love it. It’s so reasonable to rent a cottage or small hotel. They make fresh food which is so tasty. Then they have these small tours where they take you early morning hours. You climb stairs of a house and they have cushion chairs. While you wait for the sunrise exposing Mount Everest, native women make you delicious warm ginger tea. Air is so fresh.
@@jumpingsloth3963 you should definitely try it. I met so many people from different countries. People go there to be away from the city life. People over there are simple and kind. One advise: enter from India to Nepal.
@@ValkynShade People's dead bodies are used as markers for progress or directions. It's so high up and so cold that their bodies can almost never be retrieved and brought home. In fact, people have died trying to do so, so they have to leave them there.
@@ValkynShadepeople will use the bodies of people who have died climbing the mountain as a locational marker. Like following a map but instead of a weirdly shaped rock it’s a body
My boss and her husband went to Mt Everest base camp on their honeymoon. They met a couple from Seattle (where we live) who were planning on climbing and exchanged information and planned to hang out when they got back to the states. They found out a week later that the couple died on the mountain
@@aaroncook-e6mdo you know how long they were there before the commenter went on their honeymoon? Or are you not using that lil pink thing between your ears very well so that you can be a nob to someone?
You can be as prepared and as motivated as can be but if you get stuck in a line of hundreds of people in one of the coldest and harshest places in the world? You’re not coming out in one piece. Everything up there is designed against your survival. Thin air, freezing cold, high winds, possible storms, possible avalanche, falling debris, slipping and falling, frostbite, hypothermia, heart attack, stroke- literally anything and everything that can happen will happen up there. Please don’t go.
Never forget that every Everest corpse used to be a highly motivated go-getter. If you're ever feeling like you haven't done enough in life, remember that being average never got anyone turned into the world's hardest to retrieve dead body.
@@haileycarroll4194 After the next apocalypse when we lose power, access to our current technological state and all our digital archives that we have been relying on he means haha
@@kaerligheden it is horrible, but think about it. It's treacherous enough to climb back down as it is, but it's even worse if you have to come back down with remains, most people aren't wanting to risk their lives for a person who isn't alive anymore😓🤷🏻♀️ But yes this is true.
Anytime I see a huge queue anywhere, my response is 'F that, see ya'. You're hardly a bold, intrepid, independent adventurer at that point. You're just a more energetic class of sheep.
Attended a wilderness medicine conference last year. Several of the presenters had been expedition physicians on Everest; one was the doctor that treated Beck Weathers. Prior to that, I’d had some inkling that I’d at least like to go to base camp or camp 1. Not after hearing him talk about what it’s like.
The one that gets me was a story of a wealthy "socialite" lady who wanted to get to the summit. She had a Sherpa and along with many others stated for the peak. This was before the internet, etc. The climb started in good weather. But the lady was lagging behind the rest. The leaders (I think well known/experienced climbers from Australia or New Zealand) got to the top with their clients. While the clients took their pics, the leaders realized the weather was turning bad and everyone had to descend. While making their way down, they encountered the woman and her Sherpa. He was dragging her UP to the top. The lead told them to go back, but she refused. The leaders and their groups were separated by many of their clients. The first made it back to basecamp, then went back up to collect as many of the others as possible, including the woman and her Sherpa. The leader was never seen again. His number 2 made it back, but the few who followed him became lost in the storm, couldn't keep up in the storm. He lost most of his fingers and toes to frostbite. I believe that the woman did make it back with her Sherpa, but they also lost toes and fingers. I think if I remember correctly something like 25 people went up, but only maybe half a dozen returned. I may have missed a few points, it's been decades since I saw this (I think on PBS) but the whole incident was horrifying. 😧
The saddest part is that the guides desperately need those jobs as there aren’t a lot of other options and, on days that they know the weather conditions are deadly, they HAVE to go up anyway because people pay thousands of dollars to climb and waited months for permits. The guides risk being fired if they don’t go up, so they go up knowing someone will likely die that day (according to some documentary I watched about it. I forget the name of it)
Really? I've heard the opposite in every documentary I've seen. I heard the Sherpas do their best to ensure safety and that people sometimes pay all that money and stay at basecamp only to not be able to climb due to bad weather conditions. They did say the Sherpas get an additional bonus per sucessful Summit, though
I have not been up Mt. Everest, but when I hiked up Mt. Fuji most of the hike I was basically standing in line. While I still enjoyed the experience, I didn't expect to be basically standing in line almost all the way up the mountain and I'm not sure if I would do it again.
Happened to me today in ASDA. Called in for a toilet break during work and thought I grab a cold coffee and some fridge raiders but the queue were down the isles, so I went out the one way the wrong way and and got my stuff bought at the lottery counter. True story.
People play the lottery and believe they have a chance of winning, but when there are risks of injury or death a million times greater, it's like "nah, that won't happen to me."
Don't forget, Everest doesn't have plumbing and sooner or later, people will need a bathroom. No one is saving/storing 3 months of waste. It's easier to leave an empty oxygen tank than carry it back down.
@@viktorhhh1 Well, if you are doing any kind of outdoor activity, it's either bury or carry. In Lofoten, Norway, they now require hikers to carry out their poo, because it has just become too much for nature to handle.
Actually, statistically, more people have died descending than ascending. While you have accidents like falls and avalanches that add to the count, most people that die descending, they're dead because of summit fever. There are multitudes of examples of climber not turning back when they should. They will literally keep going into dangerous situation because of summit fever and end yp dying.
Someone else's comment addressed that; "I am friends with someone who has been a tour organizer for decades. They had a death on the 2nd step because it was too crowded for descending climbers to get down. "
maybe summit fever is caused by not having enough oxygen to the brain for too many hours, weeks....whatever....., making logic and sensible decision making an impossibility, hindering a person's own self from saving themselves by turning around sooner. Once someone gets like that way up there, no one can make them do anything......or talk sense to them. It's a REAL physical impairment going on not just intense desire to reach the top.
My English teacher in middle school attempted Kilimanjaro and had to turn back due to altitude sickness. It’s scary how fast everything can change up there.
@@Simonb1977 Your brother might have been in better shape or naturally be able to handle elevation well. Kilimanjaro's summit is 19,300 ft. I don't know if you've ever been at extreme elevation, but anything over 14,000 starts to get weird, and every 1000 ft above that makes things exponentially more difficult. It's nothing like Everest, at 29,000, but Kilimanjaro is more than just a difficult hike. It's the elevation that gets people.
People who climb Mount Everest and make it are not worthy of praise, just as the ones who died there aren’t worthy of pity. Interestingly her last statement is an exact description of the mentality of many us citizens regarding social security. I know there are risks but it won’t happen to me…
As a Brit, married to a Nep....I've seen ALL the greed from the Nepalese Government to make money from ME....the queues etc to get up the mountain are terrifying....if you want a challenge, walk to Base Camp - forget the rest of the trip! Even the Sherpas are dodgy these days..... it's all a money-spinner/tourist & death trap these days!
It makes my blood boil that they FORCE climbers to go with a Sherpa/Tourist group....charge them £££££ on top of the visa/licence, then just walk away saying "Oh dear, they died from altitude sickness".....are you for real??????
Yes unfortunately true... that's why I went up via the Tibetan side, which is more difficult to climb, but less crowded. I still also love Nepal though, great place.
I made my summit in April 2024 ' I was told by my climbing team ' You listen to the sherpas & us ' more importantly this is their world' their mountain ' we only have access to it. The Hillary Step is gone ' it's away. But I promise you it's like waiting for a train" The line is that long ' as we were waiting a body fell" I nearly got hit with a person's oxygen tank, I saw people screaming if you can't handle that don't try to ascent. & remember the summit is only half of it because you have to come down & that's when most deaths and injuries happen.
@StarWarsomania Wow I just logged in. Yes I was fixed to the mountain & we were at 26,247 feet, we were getting ready to summit & Boom the body on one side just complete free fall & then the oxygen can came' if my amazing sherpa who saw this coming before me ' never pulled me over that oxygen can would've taken me & at least 2 other people. To make it to the top, I can only describe it as waiting for a school bus 'wity at least 30 kids in front of you..
Every time I see the picture of the lines on Mount Everest, I wonder why anyone would want to be there. Frozen dead people, human feces and garbage. I find it extremely unappealing and I’m so disgusted by what they’ve turned it into.
Just shows our true herd mentality. Why Everest? Because it’s the most commercialized and it’s that simple. I mean there’s a queue on the mountain… where else do you know there’s a queue to? The most popular or newest restaurants, bars, clubs, rollercoasters, concerts, etc etc. we all want new but do the same exact things to experience it. Sometimes, on a more philosophical note, I see why we have had rulers since recorded history. It’s like we were made to be ruled, domesticated, and controlled. These are just small examples of it.
@@ShiftingCloudsYT i think that's a part of it, but also this so called "thrill seeker" just doesn't care. They think by doing all of these dangerous things, such as hiking mount everest, or cave diving, etc. They can satisfy their "desire", and even the media depicted them as "hero". But they just don't think far enough with the notion of if things go wrong, somebody needs to help them. And that somebody needs to risk their life to help said thrill seeker. Just plain dumb. Here in my country, Indonesia, from now and then we always find these dumbasses doing whatever they please without actually following the local rule about things they can and cannot do. They just don't care, with their bloated ego in their head.
I’m glad that someone is talking about this because it brings more awareness to risks! I had no idea it was that difficult and that some people physically can’t handle it
Protip: there are plenty of life-changing things you can do that don't involve risking your life. Learn new skills. Get healthy. Volunteer. I'm certainly more proud of the fact that I got rid of back pain without medication than of any travels I've done.
Direct reason why most people die on Everest: they shouldn't be there in the first place: they are not mountaineers but just people who want to show "their achievement". Underlying reason: the climb is making money for the Nepalese government, for the local economy and for the agencies, so it's not regulated in a reasonable way Overall it's a textbook example of how ineffective "raw capitalism" is at preserving lives and environment, but incredibly effective at ripping off.
It's highly regulated, overly so, actually. It's now at a stage where it has too much government control. I've summitted several times, but then again, K2 is probably the hardest I've done. Everest is a beginner level climb. No real technical aspects to it, at all.
After knee replacement at 36, I decided to set a recovery goal to work towards. Adventurous me chose to summit a continent. Practical me chose the flattest continent, with a ski lift to take you most of the way and an elevated walk path to the summit. So, in 3 months, I'm going to Australia. Paying for a guided hike, even though you don't have to.
From a technical climbing standpoint, it isn't even that hard of a climb, either, it's just the highest mountain so it gets the most buzz on climbing it...
Excactly. There is a reason that so many people climb Mt. Everest, and then feel like some superhuman, but only very very few experienced people attempt to climb the K2, even though it's only a few meters shorter, but it's way way steeper and way way harder to summit.
The altitude is what gives it its noteriety, the very low air pressure and oxygen levels (about 1/3) of at sea level means that it takes a very heavy toll on your body especially if you are not used to climbing mountains
@blob0000 The sherpas actually climb Everest. Most of the rest, just follow them to the top. Not that it doesn't still require a considerate effort...but the Sherpas do all the hard work and many die, not only because of those lines but because they should have attempted (to buy) the climb in the first place.
@@nlama9663 Pretty much everyone does it with supplemental oxygen, though. The altitude has an effect, even with an oxygen mask, but any reasonably fit person can do it with enough help from their Sherpa guide.
@@EurydiceAllAlong I used to think that's what they wanted, but then I married an athlete. They're something else, man. It's about the experience, proving to yourself that you can do it. Only, you never know if you can do it until you're there, and sometimes you can't. It doesn't mean they're dumb. They're just different. They're the people in the tribe who eat the unknown berries or explore the dangerous areas, and they either die or help the tribe survive.
When I was in the military, I became good friends with another Marine that married into Money. When we got out, he invited me to climb Everest. We figured no big deal. Honestly, we were shocked with the amount of trash. Ultimately, we made it to the peak. After we were finished, yeah, we can say we did it. It just doesn’t seem real.
Completely agree! And then their families go crazy demanding other people go risk their lives to retrieve the body. If you're stupid enough to pay the ultimate price for cheap thrills and ego boost then you should also accept that you could very well rest there forever.
I have cystic fibrosis. I turn 50 this year. I shouldn't be here. I'm relatively healthy. But I find my lungs are stronger than most people's around me. Especially through covid! I think it's awesome hearing about somebody with cystic fibrosis that has summited Everest 🤘 mind over matter
Way back when I can understand exploring places undiscovered. But in today’s world it seems such a pointless endeavour. So much more worthwhile things you could spend that energy on. And then to just leave all your rubbish up there is so disgraceful. I’ll never understand that kind of mindset.
As someone with Cystic fibrosis, and successfully 12 years post transplant, I've had people try to be that person to do it all post transplant, taken too many risks and die because of some choices they made post transplant. That ended in them getting infections that turned into rejection. I've had to sacrifice not doing certain things, and still alive 12 years post double lung, and 20 years post liver transplant with CF. Something i live by is "Man sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices his money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.” - The Dalai Lama One hilarious quote that makes me laugh is "every single dead body on mount Everest was once an extremely motivated person, stay lazy friends!" 😅
I am friends with someone who has been a tour organizer for decades. They had a death on the 2nd step because it was too crowded for descending climbers to get down. They switched focus onto other peaks and now only offer the ABC trek on Everest because it’s “unethical to play into the madness “
Just saying, “most people die on Everest due to queues to the summit” is way off. Most people die due to avalanche/falls, second to this would be altitude related illness like HACE and maybe stuff like cardiac arrest. There are few examples where queues have caused issues, but it’s the summit fever that gets people, not the queue itself. If you are dying from exposure in a queue you can turn around. When an avalanche takes you or you fall off the khangshung face, you cannot turn around, that’s it. This feels like one of the hubris things like “Everest is unsafe now because we made it so” but nope, on percentage less climbers die now than in 70s and 80s when it was far less populated, and those were most all “real” climbers with no queue in front of them. It’s almost always avalanche that is the #1 cause of death, this is the same on k2. Also modern expeditions now climb other peaks neighbouring Everest to acclimatise, reducing total trips through the Khumbu icefall, which is the actual most dangerous part of the journey, and is nowhere near the big queues on summit ridge. Also thanks to a lot of modern weather detection, safety equipment, better helicopters, better infrastructure in Sherpa country etc etc etc it is actually a lot “safer”. It’s also worth noting Everest permits have still not risen back to pre-covid levels where there were about 900 permits a year it’s at about 700 ish now. TLDR: yes Everest is very dangerous but not really because of queues.
Definitely oversold! Is there really any difference than hiking another tall mountain? I watched a documentary how this woman had a panic attack on a ladder and all other hikers were stuck for almost an hour because she wouldn’t move.
Anyone that is involved in the Everest community or industry, they ALL say it's over crowded now and very dangerous because of it. That photo they showed is real and what a damn shame to die up there, without reaching the summit, because too many people up there at once. Very sad
Those of us who think “yeah, I’d definitely die on Everest” also aren’t the ones who are going to try it. Also I’m not sure it’s worth the trauma and loss, either, even if you survive. Huge achievement for that friend though.
I was 17 years old when I realized I would never take any sport or crazy activity, where my life could be in risk. Adrenaline, life is so amazing why to risk everything. If you think life is boring, go and help others. my opinion and i respect the people who think in the opposite way , its their life.
What’s disgusting is the sherpas who have to carry all their stupid luggage and walk ahead and get oxygen ready for them! Every year the sherpas have to go out first and peg all the lines for everyone else to use not knowing if the path they take will kill them as they’re making it. It’s disgusting, all of it is disgusting.
Altitude sickness strikes randomly, even to experienced climbers. Families often don’t want to pay $50-100,000 to have the body shipped home. Corpses are used as route waymakers. Living in a tent, no facilities, eating freeze dried food, etc. woo hoo. Or you could sign up to see the Titanic. Fish need food, too.
As a former and now recovered addict, I would want to say that Mount Everest seems like a strange “high” for people to chase after and I’ve never seen the appeal in it … but I also feel like I have no room to judge others on their bad or crazy choices 😅 I’m sure plenty of people who have climbed or want to climb mountains and would look at my past and think “what an idiot” 🤣
I love mountains but have no desire to climb Everest. People die every year treating it like a tourist attraction rather than respecting and fearing it
The saddest part is the whole. Mt Everest is just covered in dead bodies cause it’s too dangerous to retrieve them and in many cases you literally have to step over corpses to get to the summit
Nims Purja took that picture. This guy and what his team of Nepali professionals accomplished is insane. You need really specific characteristics and mindset/way of life to do these things. Admirable
I'm glad I have anxiety because it causes me to avoid stunts like this and making dumb decisions that could risk my life. I even fear driving because I know it's dangers. I'm such a shut in but it's protected me thus far
,,that won't happen to me" is so real though. Most of us are so far removed frim danger that they don't even have those survival insincts. I personally work with big animals of which some have behavioursl problems, but I can't really feel fear around them even though it would be safer for me. I try to be safe trough rationality, but some fear in the right places would be good.
Well, I work with horses, and totally same about not having that fear, but I think with horses ar least it’s better to not have fear and think things through rationally (and also use safety equipment like helmets and steel toe boots and such) because they’re prey animals and can probably tell if you’re afraid and possibly get more reactive
@varpu3706 That's true, forgot about that when commenting. Well maybe it's not so bad then, but I think I would be more cautious if I had more fear. But I try to think about it rationally aswell yes, I hope that's enought to keep safe :)
@@heatherwoodley8244 Yeah but if they sense fear they might think something is wrong and be fearful aswell, upping the risk of them kicking because of being scared or something similar.
i was reading an article about mount everst and the author states it is not mount everest but Sagarmatha or Qomolangma to be exact and the first ascenders were not Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay it was the locals that have been doing it 20k years ago, these statements blew my mind because we all want to westernized things as we were the 1st ones to do the impossible while not giving credits to the awesome sherpas (himalayan people living on the borders of nepal and tibet renowned for their extraordinary and outstanding mountaineering skills known to man)
My ex boyfriend was completely obsessed with the idea of climbing K2, less so with Everest but as someone who was into mountaineering, obviously that was an eventual goal too. I used to tell him he could do just about anything in the world but if he was ever foolish enough to risk his life and that tragedy for me, he would have to choose between the mountain and me 😂 He gave up on trying to convince me eventually and settled for dreaming of the lower peaks. (still broke up but i wanna send this to him and remind him that he promised 😅)
Is actually more dangerous to walk down the mountain.. by the time you’ve reached the summit and you’ve gone through it all they’re absolutely dead tired, and you are more likely to make critical mistakes while going back down to camp 4.
There’s also the sunk cost fallacy of having spent at least £30,000 (£100,000 are the luxury options!) and stayed there for several months. To not reach the summit must be devastating. They probably just think they’ll push a little longer, but a lack of oxygen interferes with your ability to think and affects their judgement.
"Every corpse on Mt. Everest was a highly motivated person", perhaps sometimes, considering the risks of your goals is a good idea
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Whoa, that’s definitely a quote to make sure my butt stays on the couch where I’m safe. lol 😂
It's also probably a rich person who thought they could reach their dreams by exploiting others.
Lots of stories about people who don't even have the basics of mountaineering going up - it has very much become pay your way and the Sherpa's get the raw deal. Not to mention all the waste that gets left behind.
Most people who hike Everest hire Sherpas to do all the difficult stuff for them. They're not motivated, they're just there for clout.
That’s great, but at least 96% of climbers actually succeeded. Up to 99% in fact. (Per Google.)
“That won’t happen to me” is such a big killer among young people. I’ve seen it with drugs, alcohol, stunts, and safety regulations. It’s all fun and games until you’re in the burn unit, unable to be sedated because it might kill you, living through every agonizing second of severe burns all over your body. I’ve seen it.
Edit: did I say it never happens to older people under any circumstances?
Darwinism at it's finest
The sligt upside of high anxiety: I always think it will happen to me.
I feel that @@Tess-tube
yeah, drugs setting people on fire is a huge problem for young people nowadays
@@oleksandrfedoriv notice how I also said stunts and safety regulations?
"Oversold" & "it won't happen to me." This woman knows the truth. It's not just Everest, but that's a great example.
She makes it sound like if they didn’t oversell everyone would summit. But the fact is, demand has risen so much for Everest, and there are so many tourists and rich thrill seekers coming to the mountain now, not actual mountain climbers, that there are thousands of people a year that cannot make it and are forced to turn back without summiting. Overselling is a combination of demand, ratio of climbers who would make the summit, and space. There are only 2 main routes to the summit and a total of 15 routes all together. This creates bottlenecks and the demand creates overselling. Sad thing is the problem is only going to get worse. Several of the paths are so full of trash and discarded equipment now that the beauty of the site is being compromised.
Hello fan🌹I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your amazing support. Your encouragement and positivity mean the world to me! I’m incredibly grateful to have such passionate fans like you. Let’s keep this journey going and continue to share unforgettable moments together! Stay awesome!
Like those avoidable Mt white volcano 🌋 eruption deaths in NZ, right before covid.
@@TheWokeWarlock you make a great point. From what I know it's common for *experienced climbers* to take multiple attempts before successfully reaching the summit; not due to the line-up but as a result of the physical toll it takes on your body. I've even heard of people who've scaled some of the worlds most difficult summits turning back at the half-way point because they underestimated the difficulty of climbing Mount Everest.
I'm interested to hear more from you. How do you know so much about the routes, have you worked at Everest?
Edit: I've also heard many times that most deaths occur during the descent. Do you know if this has anything to do with the queues and/or air pressurization?
Funny how the biggest problems people have with one thing typically apply to most everything else? Lack of knowledge and information, the belief that “it won’t be me” etc definitely are big problems in all aspects of life.
I took an observation flight from Katmandu. Saw Everest and all the other high peaks in the region from a few miles away. That was good enough for me.
Indeed.
kathmandu*
This is the way to do it! Way less risk involved and you still get to witness the beauty of God's creation.
Same
Probably a lot cheaper too
I had a friend when I was young that lost both of her parents when they climbed Everest without oxygen and wandered off in a storm b/c they were delirious. She became an orphan when we were 7. That really shaped my perspective of what is an acceptable risk and when it’s better to find your happiness doing something else.
Crazy
What's their name, because this incident would probably be known. And all this you understood at the age of 7?
@@missJolie85 asking about it bluntly like it's not a touchy subject at all lol. also, one of the points of this short was that people dying at Mt. Everest is an unfortunate, yet common occurence. not every incident gets broadcasted. and where did they say they understood something at the age of 7? all they said was that it shaped their perspective around risks and that their friend was orphaned at the age of 7. is reading comprehension that difficult?
@@missJolie85understand when the appropriate time to be a contrarian is. But if you’re going to be one here, it’s fair to question legitimacy, but just have an ounce of sensitivity and empathy when asking.
I cannot imagine two people taking such a stupid risk TOGETHER while they have a young child together. I’m sure losing her parents must have been awful for her, and I know it’s awful to say it, but… honestly she may have been better off. They do not sound like good parents at all.
I actually read about a couple that died on Everest leaving their child behind. The woman was trying to be the first woman to sumit without oxygen (and she was) but she started losing it on her way down. Husband ran back to base camp to get oxygen but disappeared on his way up. She was found by another group who tried to help her down (giving up their own chance) and then had to leave her bc they couldn’t get her the rest of the way. They found the husband years later in a crevasse - he’d fallen and died on his way up. The whole thing is tragic on so many levels and makes me so angry at their irresponsiblity when they had a child!
There's a shocking amount of cases where BOTH parents decide to go do it. It's shocking how little thought goes into these things. Those poor children.
sounds similar to the other commenter talking about her friend's parents
Yea there’s another commenter here who was the girls friend and mentioned this… very sad
You mistake tragedy with narcissistic stupidity!
@nathanialmogensen242 you know, something can be both a product of stupidity and arrogance, and a tragic event. 😮
The great thing about climbing mount everest is that you don't have to
Genuinely made me LOL 😂
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why do anything? nah someone did it already. i better not.
XD right? They act like its an unavoidable tragedy like buddy, save your money and your life
The most annoying thing of all time is having a hobby or goal, failing it, then being told it was better not to try.
I would much rather die doing what I love than live never trying it. If you want to climb Everest and die trying, at least you died doing what you wanted to do, living free.
I once heard a mountain guide say, "Anyone can summit Everest. The hard part is getting back down alive."
True but you need oxygen tanks if you aren’t a professional climber
Waiting in line to die - crazy.
I don't think ANYONE could. I think Stephen Hawking would've struggled.
@MarcoNegrisEye im a smoker i couldn't do it. I could never imagine even getting close to Mt Everest. Ill listen to stories like this or see it on TV that's enough for me.
@@MarcoNegrisEye Hawking died descending from the summit of Everest
To be clear, it’s not the queues but what the queues do. There’s only a handful of good summiting days during the climbing window, so when more licences are being sold than ever before queues build up around the bottle-necks… this means people are spending longer in the death zone than they should, and then descending later in the day and more fatigued. Vast majority of deaths happen on the way down rather than up.
Thank you for explaining this. This clip had me lost. Thank you
Climbing in the dark is also no bueno. Thats how you vanish and your body is never found
She really needed to elaborate or explain herself a lot better.
@@Lost-in-Hadesit's only a clip. Did she elaborate more in the full video?
@@Foxiesz They all start out from the last camp in the dark. It's the only way to reach the summit with time to get down early enough.
I have a friend who has NEVER climbed. Neither has her family. They are trying to talk her into summiting Everest with them and I'm like trying to talk reason without being a jerk about it.
Be a jerk about it if you have to. Who knows it might save a life.
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@@hiramrichmond3341 true
There are some really good UA-cam videos on Shriya Shah-Klorfine, who was an inexperienced climber who died on Everest. The good ones also talk about the risks and impact she had on other climbers in their attempts. Everest may not be the most technically challenging climb, but the lack of oxygen and congestion of people means going slow can kill.
@hiramrichmond3341 she's the type that if you are a jerk, she simply shuts down communication and refuses to listen to anything you have say. So I have to dance around.
I have cancer and a neurological disorder and I am absolutely so happy that I don't feel the need to have the "live my life to the max" cope with illness. Just love a chill, relaxing life with friends and family, I promise you it's way better than needing to fill the void with extreme behaviors!
It’s sad that we live in a world where we need to prove that we’re high achievers, adding ’accolades’ to our cv that can potentially cost us our lives, which only the wealthy can afford ..just for a shred of ‘respect’.
I find it far more respectable when people appreciate the fragility and brevity of life by enjoying the ‘mundane’ things.
I wish I could add to my cv “homebody, no desire to climb Everest or own a Rolex, never happier than when walking home with groceries, enjoys what ‘little’ she has, a life with risks but without recklessness, mostly littered with failures and underwhelming ‘progress’, privileged to be here.”, and for that to be considered an asset.
so sorry.
Ditto. I hope you continue knowing that you are enough with nothing to prove.
I had cancer at 27, congestive heart failure after my 3rd child by C-section at 37, neuralgia in my head and extremities stemming from a 4x rollover crash at 21, several auto-immune disorders, and I have a gastric stimulator implanted due to gastroparesis.
Some of what I deal with stems from giving it my all, some from happenstance.
I was an athlete and world traveler. I am so content to be a homebody raising my children and cherishing family and friends.
@@coomessa4002 honestly, sometimes I struggle being in public; watching couples or families with their kids running around, listening to them complain about the most minor nonsense, it’s painful to see and hear, these people have their health, a family, and enough privilege for a leisurely stroll in the middle of the day, or to fill up their overflowing carts in a supermarket.
I can’t think of anything greater than having a healthy family and affording to put food on the table. Many people will remain alone (not from lack of trying) and will eat their meals alone (if they can even afford to eat), and I can’t imagine a sadder existence.
I’m sorry to read or your troubles, and I have no intention to reduce them, I’m glad you’ve made it through this far, and I’m glad to read that you appreciate the ‘small’ (huge) moments that actually matter ❤️
@@ahumanaperson completely agree with everything you've said here!
To imagine that you have to queue on a mountain like in an amusement park. How crazy.
At this point, with the never ending queue, why would it even be worth it? It's ridiculous!! Nepal needs to cut WAY BACK on the permits!!
Unfortunately it's not the only summit with a queue at the top. I live near a nice day-hike with a steep climb to a summit with a distinctive landmark and great views - it's now become a selfie spot and people line up for photos and get mad if you just want to hang out and enjoy the view.... I hike less Instagrammable trails now mostly.
Whenever I hear someone’s reasons for trying to climb Everest, I want to encourage them to run ultramarathons instead. Most of the time, it would accomplish a similar goal, and you’re way less likely to die and way less likely to cause someone else’s death.
Ultramarathons are way more impressive than today's everest.
There is even a marathon at Everest Basecamp
did marathons not start bc a dude collapsed and died after running the distance?
@@teddymarian9416 he had never practiced running that distance before. Marathon runners practice for a long time
@@teddymarian9416yah people love doing things that made other people die for some reason. Also he didnt just run a marathon. He ran at least 2 marathons in one day because he ran one way to inform the government marathon was being attacked and ran the other way to tell the troops in marathon theu would recieve reinforcements and he was a professional runner/messenger but he did it at the fastest speed he could because both messages were urgent. He ran at least 50+ miles in probably a few hrs. well thats the story at least. Also the reason he didnt use a horse is because actually trained humans actually have better endurance than horses (slower speed but can go longer distances without breaks because of our superior cooling). Actually one of the american 100 mile races used to be a horse race but some crazy guys thought they could beat the horses by running it and now its a famous ultramarathon only for humans
Absolutely crazy. There are so many more mountains just as beautiful if not moreso, without lines and crowds.
Top British resort right there, just a bit brisqui
I don’t think most of the people doing Everest care about what it looks like. It’s the “highest”. That’s all that matters.
@josecoronadonieto6911 whats brisqui?
She didn’t really mean line as in “crowded” I don’t think. It’s more so that you have to be up there for months for your body to adjust to the climate and the climb is so hard if you die or get injured no one can help you. I think it’s the danger and impossibility of it that’s the allure. People want to flex by saying they survived, until they’re one of the ones that didn’t
It is not about beauty, it is about bragging rights.
Overcrowding on Everest has led to so much pollution and waste left behind each season. In my opinion it's unethical to climb Everest at this point. Leave nature alone.
I fully agree.
The Internet has ruined so many places this same way
Might I remind you that the city you live in used to be nature?
If people "left nature alone" we wouldn't have civilization, it's just a matter of not being a dumbass about it, no need to pollute a beautiful place, ruining the experience for everyone when you can just keep stuff together in bags and backpacks
@@ironheavenz you raise a good point.
Except in the cities you can have litter pickers. Which is not possible on Everest.
@@Indigo24-y7yThat's also not true. There's been Sherpas and climbers who have dedicated hours and hours to trash removal on Everest and they've taken off TONS off the mountain.
I'm the person who thinks the opposite: "it probably WILL happen to me". Thus I live my life too cautiously. I don't even fancy a trip to base camp of Everest. I like watching films about people who do it though, I find that quite inspiring for my less intense challenges in my own life.
Me too, and I think the worst things happen when you least expect them to. There’s been so many instances in my life where I thought, “nah, there’s no way this bad thing will happen this one time” and it always does.
@ oh sorry to hear that
I've had to overcome a lot in life and had a lot of bad stuff happen to me, but what keeps me going is my INTENSE fear that I will go my whole life resenting myself for not doing it. That I made excuses as to why I couldn't, and only realize it when it's too late.
I absolutely love this quote from Shakespeare. I memorized it for times when I'm nervous, "A coward dies a thousand times before his death, but the valiant taste of death but once."
Hopefully something I said helps 😅
@@adiidiAs someone who is more than well aquatinted with failure, my best way to cope with that type of thinking is to look at people who were successful, but only after trying LOTS of times and failing. Cliché, but nonetheless great examples are Disney, as I believe he was rejected by HUNDREDS of banks to make disneyworld. Dr. Seuss was rejected I believe like 40 times to get his first book published. Maybe it isn't failing that's the problem, it's giving up. You got this ❤️
It's a stupid way to die, and unlike other tragedies, it's 100% avoidable way to die!
I am happy enough looking up a picture of Mt Everest and seeing it from the comfort of my couch!
I agree, I raced motocross which is crazy, but climbing Everest is simply insane.
@@darwest8833my lil brother and i used to race motocross too. Then years later he got into scuba diving and i got into rockclimbing/mountainclimbing. I never made it to k2 or everest but 30 years ago i was hoping i could climb them.
@@darwest8833Yeah it's a hard no from me however motorcross looks fun.
With a nice, cold beer in hand.
Yeah I get that Nepal needs the tourism money but frankly this isn't a tourist place. This is not a place on earth humans can live or are meant to be. The climb should've always been heavily restricted like Antarctica research station or protected natural resource or reserve to just a few certified professionals or the natives. Strictly licensed and by few strict quota. And for probably some kind of serious purpose like science or fundraising for a legitimate cause as a requirement to climb. Like restricted to people who are like the first climbers, well trained serious professionals and who did it for a purpose.
I had a family member die on everest. The health screen before the trip didn't pick up a minor heart condition. Autopsy confirmed that the standard tests wouldn't pick it up it was so minor. Not so minor that it didn't cause her to die when she was at base camp. I had another family member return safe from base camp.
Imo, not worth the risk. Plenty of amazing things you can do without directly endangering yourself.
100%
so sorry for your loss
Or other people
Who retrieved the body? Many are left behind. The Sherpas had a push to get them cleaned off.
@angelaj8958 it was base camp. So i think it wasn't too much of a delay.
“You don’t think it’ll be you” can affect anyone at any age. I’m a nurse and people are shellshocked when something is amputated and they come to realize how inaccessible and inconvenient the world is for people with visible/ non-visible disabilities.
When it comes to disabilities, many people seem to conveniently forget that it could be them at any point.
Yep. Or shocked when they get a vaccine preventable disease.
Both Visable and invisible disabilities are equally crippling
Wow, a tourist destination where it's overcrowded, you stand in line for hours, you will be exhausted, might run out of oxygen, become delirious, fall in a crevasse, starve, freeze to death, and your body will be used as a way marker? Where do i sign up? What madness! 🤷😳
😂😂 Your so funny. Well done buddy 👌
A guy I used to work for did all 7 summits and died on Everest completing this mission. He is still up there as far as I know. The queue was what got him too…
lol 😂
@@mrbigstufable and you’re a bum too. See response to the other comment for context.
wtf are these replies.
@@zaneofodin9300Just curious... What's so hard to believe about his comment?
@alex7543 - Gamers in mommy’s basement
Remember when scaling Mt. Everest was this rare thing? Once you have to walk in a line with dozens of other people, maybe it’s time to stop thinking you’re amazing.
On point
Especially when a poor Nepalese sherpa does all the work
K2 is the new Everest. Something crazy like 20% of climbers don’t survive it.
@@FizzyCape That's terrible. What's wrong with people?
@@EyeLean5280 no idea. I’d never try it lol.
"That won't happen to me" is a thought I had before the first time I was in a car accident where the vehicle was totalled (I was in 4th grade, so not driving). It was an enlightening and humbling experience. I've been in 2 more accidents where the car was totalled since (3 different drivers, none me). I know better than to think I'm the main character.
I had a coworker who told me a story about her sister who had died. She had some condition, I don't remember what, possibly a severe asthma? Something breathing related. Went to another room, away from her breathing machine, had an attack or whatever, and died trying to get to the machine that would help her. Never forget how valuable it is to have the choice to live.
"I know better than to think I'm the main character." You are clearly the camera man ;)
I tell myself before every trip I make that the potential to get hurt or die around every turn, so to speak. Try not to forget that. Ever.
As a person battling Cystic Fibrosis too, it is phenomenal that he can climb any mountain
much more *”done all the main summits of the world.”* Wonder if he is on TRIKAFTA?
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Me and my sister both have cf and its amazing to see this person doing brilliant hard work for the cf community
I think climbing Mount Everest is a very high-functioning form of self-harm at this point. I think this is true for a lot of overachiever sportsmen. Ace climber Alex Honnold said (in so many words), "Yeah, I could die free soloing El Capitan, but it's not like anybody needs me to be alive. My wife would be sad, but she'd get over it." Like....dude. That is textbook suic*dal ideation cloaked in high performance athleticism. It's sad and unhealthy.
It`s just a matter of scale. We all take calculated risks, people just set different boundaries. I saw the docu of Alex Honnols climbing and watched him do talks about it. He puts great effort into preparing and taking safety measures.
Of course it`s still very dangerous, but I am not convinced these people have a death wish. (In case of Honnold it seems more like he is matter of fact due to autism or something like that)
We all take these unnecessary risks on a very small scale. Every time I use a ride in an amusement park I have to get the thought out of my head that these things sometimes break and people die because of that.
There is no reason for me to use these rides except that I like the feeling of adrenalin, freedom and elation. It`s an unnecessary risk to take, but I do. The feeling of freedom, adrenalin and elation is exactly the reasons why these extreme athletes do what they do.
So where do you wanna draw the line?
Climbing Everest is stupid at this point, though. It`s a mass tourism experience with little benefit except to say "I was there, got the T-Shirt".
Didn’t he have some kind of testing or brain scan that showed the part of the brain that processes fear and risk is way underdeveloped in him? I thought his lack of fear has to be why he’s so good at climbing. Anyone else would hesitate or get nervous in scary situations, but he’s cool as a cucumber.
There's a difference between wanting to die and accepting that you might die in the course of living.
One of them we all do to a certain extent every day when we climb into a car or make unhealthy choices every day, and the other demands immediate mental health care.
@SirLied Yeah, but when you have a wife and kid, to a certain extent, it is no longer about you. Committing to parenthood means you have to consider things differently than when you're single. I've read about so many extreme sportsmen who died and left behind young children. That's not right. We can make it sound pretty like "he died doing what he loved." But the truth is you took a foolish risk and now your kid is fatherless or motherless.
@@sweetpie7919 That's true, but it doesn't really have relevance to the fact of saying your wife would just move on and get over it if you died.
As a nurse I feel like I'm constantly reminding people that just because something is legal and available doesn't mean it's totally safe. There's always room for human error or mechanical failure. Rollercoasters, bungee jumping, even swimming in the ocean or walking around at night in dark clothing, etc ..we see it every day. People are not careful at all. Everyone should take personal responsibility for their safety but like she said, people don't think it will happen to them. People should realize that everyone it has happened to thought the same.
What’s the take away? Do less? Do more? Only do thing you believe true let or falsely to be ‘safe’
We all die.
@@burkles4456 Yes, some sooner than others. Chose your risks wisely.
@burkles4456 Basically, take all necessary precautions to lower the risks as much as possible.
You can still go out, but it's better not to go out at night. If you do, you can wear clothing that makes you easier to see (don't want to be hit by a car or anything).
Stuff like that. I'm pretty sure someone else can make more examples, though.
My husband got absolutely slammed by a wave while we were on vacation, he was in the process of protecting our daughter so she didn’t get hurt. He broke his heel into 4 pieces and was bruised all over from the impact. This was a normal day at that beach, too, people were getting pummeled everywhere but nobody was stopping anyone. We misjudged, it happens, but I’m not going to stop getting into the water on vacation
Livin' life on the edge is a choice many make happily. Can't stop living just cause the world's a dangerous place.
I've never understood the "it won't happen to me" mindset. My anxiety tells me the exact opposite. I don't get it.
It's a combination of overconfidence and immaturity/inexperience (although sometimes they're also experienced), while blinded by the idea of achieving a dream. They probably do think "it could happen to me" but they'll also think they can handle it! It's tricky because sometimes things do require confidence and bravery, but people also need to evaluate their level of experience more. I'm like you, anxiety keeps reminding me. Maybe a little too much at times! 😅
That’s why they’ll never know your name
@mauledomen I'm good, I'd rather be comfy drinking my tea than dead, littering a mountain so people can still, generally, not know my name. Lol
Same!
@@silverdweller2809 100% truth right there. Beautiful comeback. I too, would rather not be frozen litter on a mountain where I can be covered over in ice and stepped on by random climbers. I'm good thanks, tea is good😅
I summit a mountain a few miles from my house two years ago. On the way back I noticed a mountain lion following me. Going into the mountain wilderness is inherently dangerous regardless of location. Always do a risk assessment and be prepared
I went to Nepal and enjoyed watching Mount Everest and peaks around it from close enough distant. Nice nepalis lady made all of us tourist ginger tea and we all watched sunrise sipping on tea.
This is the only Everest experience I aspire to lol
@ you would love it. It’s so reasonable to rent a cottage or small hotel. They make fresh food which is so tasty.
Then they have these small tours where they take you early morning hours. You climb stairs of a house and they have cushion chairs. While you wait for the sunrise exposing Mount Everest, native women make you delicious warm ginger tea.
Air is so fresh.
@@Gaumukh sounds absolutely beautiful! That’s amazing! So glad you were able to experience that! Hold on to that beautiful memory!
Hah! Now this sounds like the everest trip id want. Noting involving all the death and feces up at the top.
@@jumpingsloth3963 you should definitely try it. I met so many people from different countries. People go there to be away from the city life. People over there are simple and kind.
One advise: enter from India to Nepal.
Nah, im just built different.
Built stupid.
I am not different. I'm not waiting in the freezing cold for 3 months. hahaha
Lmao
constructed in an unorthodox fashion
If you wanna be dumb you gotta be tough.
I think when the climbing directions say "turn right at the body of green boots"... it's time to shut the mountain down.
@@twilight_lupinesilva4691 Finally someone talking sense . 👏👏👏
what does that mean?
@@ValkynShade People's dead bodies are used as markers for progress or directions. It's so high up and so cold that their bodies can almost never be retrieved and brought home. In fact, people have died trying to do so, so they have to leave them there.
@@ValkynShadepeople will use the bodies of people who have died climbing the mountain as a locational marker. Like following a map but instead of a weirdly shaped rock it’s a body
@@emilygriffith6702 oh nga what thats insane
I climbed Mount Snowdon and that was enough for me, thanks.
My boss and her husband went to Mt Everest base camp on their honeymoon. They met a couple from Seattle (where we live) who were planning on climbing and exchanged information and planned to hang out when they got back to the states. They found out a week later that the couple died on the mountain
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LOL
One week wasn't enough time to acclimatize?
That’s so sad 😭
@@aaroncook-e6mdo you know how long they were there before the commenter went on their honeymoon? Or are you not using that lil pink thing between your ears very well so that you can be a nob to someone?
You can be as prepared and as motivated as can be but if you get stuck in a line of hundreds of people in one of the coldest and harshest places in the world? You’re not coming out in one piece. Everything up there is designed against your survival. Thin air, freezing cold, high winds, possible storms, possible avalanche, falling debris, slipping and falling, frostbite, hypothermia, heart attack, stroke- literally anything and everything that can happen will happen up there. Please don’t go.
Never forget that every Everest corpse used to be a highly motivated go-getter. If you're ever feeling like you haven't done enough in life, remember that being average never got anyone turned into the world's hardest to retrieve dead body.
Future archeologists will think we all believed in mountain gods or something that involved ritual sacrifices or something. 😢
@@ezura4760that's until they find all the frozen poop... Then they're really gonna be confused 😅😂
Play stupid games.....
@@ezura4760you think future archaeologists aren’t going to have the internet/ know why people climbed Mount Everest?
@@haileycarroll4194 After the next apocalypse when we lose power, access to our current technological state and all our digital archives that we have been relying on he means haha
I like that the highest mountain in the world (above sea level), also has a queue…this world SUCKS now.
The chilling part to me is how almost all of the people who die on Everest their bodies are left there and often used as waypoints for the climb.
What!???
@@RachelLuskyyep. Creepy but true. It's generally not safe to haul someone's remains back down, so they leave them there 🤷🏻♀️😔
What???? I didn't know that!!!
That's horrible!!!
People are insane!!!
Bs
@@kaerligheden it is horrible, but think about it. It's treacherous enough to climb back down as it is, but it's even worse if you have to come back down with remains, most people aren't wanting to risk their lives for a person who isn't alive anymore😓🤷🏻♀️
But yes this is true.
Paying a massive amount of money to climb.mountain and then dying waiting in line (essentially) is so peak humanity right now.
"Peak" humanity ... I see what you did there! 😂
Anytime I see a huge queue anywhere, my response is 'F that, see ya'.
You're hardly a bold, intrepid, independent adventurer at that point.
You're just a more energetic class of sheep.
Not to mention the sherpas that risk their lives and break their bodies carrying all your gear the whole way up to base camp and beyond as well.
@@BWater-yq3jx Right just climb another mountain FFS
I'd call it natural selection.
Attended a wilderness medicine conference last year. Several of the presenters had been expedition physicians on Everest; one was the doctor that treated Beck Weathers. Prior to that, I’d had some inkling that I’d at least like to go to base camp or camp 1. Not after hearing him talk about what it’s like.
Nols?
The one that gets me was a story of a wealthy "socialite" lady who wanted to get to the summit. She had a Sherpa and along with many others stated for the peak.
This was before the internet, etc.
The climb started in good weather.
But the lady was lagging behind the rest.
The leaders (I think well known/experienced climbers from Australia or New Zealand) got to the top with their clients. While the clients took their pics, the leaders realized the weather was turning bad and everyone had to descend.
While making their way down, they encountered the woman and her Sherpa. He was dragging her UP to the top. The lead told them to go back, but she refused.
The leaders and their groups were separated by many of their clients. The first made it back to basecamp, then went back up to collect as many of the others as possible, including the woman and her Sherpa.
The leader was never seen again.
His number 2 made it back, but the few who followed him became lost in the storm, couldn't keep up in the storm.
He lost most of his fingers and toes to frostbite.
I believe that the woman did make it back with her Sherpa, but they also lost toes and fingers.
I think if I remember correctly something like 25 people went up, but only maybe half a dozen returned.
I may have missed a few points, it's been decades since I saw this (I think on PBS) but the whole incident was horrifying.
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This is so tragic.
The saddest part is that the guides desperately need those jobs as there aren’t a lot of other options and, on days that they know the weather conditions are deadly, they HAVE to go up anyway because people pay thousands of dollars to climb and waited months for permits. The guides risk being fired if they don’t go up, so they go up knowing someone will likely die that day (according to some documentary I watched about it. I forget the name of it)
Really? I've heard the opposite in every documentary I've seen. I heard the Sherpas do their best to ensure safety and that people sometimes pay all that money and stay at basecamp only to not be able to climb due to bad weather conditions. They did say the Sherpas get an additional bonus per sucessful Summit, though
Also, aren't experienced Sherpas way too valuable to get fired that easily?
There are many more mountains with no queues. Everest is mostly an ego trip.
It's just more of a tourist attraction, most people just like the popular thing even if it's objectively inferior... like pop music
@@fatbroccoli8it's those instagram-addicted "monkey see, monkey do" people😂 all flocking to the same spots they saw in other people's posts
Music is so subjective, there is no objectively worse.
Mt Everest is a terrible idea though and most likely an ego trip.
@@davomccranko yup. What's not to love about Instagram addicts who only do things for bragging rights🤮
I have not been up Mt. Everest, but when I hiked up Mt. Fuji most of the hike I was basically standing in line. While I still enjoyed the experience, I didn't expect to be basically standing in line almost all the way up the mountain and I'm not sure if I would do it again.
Is there only one route up mt Fuji?
KRAZIE CAUSE UR A BROKIE. I SUMMITTED 5 TIMES
Happened to me today in ASDA. Called in for a toilet break during work and thought I grab a cold coffee and some fridge raiders but the queue were down the isles, so I went out the one way the wrong way and and got my stuff bought at the lottery counter. True story.
Edmund Hillary and Tenzig Norgay did not summit the world’s tallest mountain to commercialize it. They did it so we wouldn’t have to.
Ridiculous
Capitalism at it’s finest
People play the lottery and believe they have a chance of winning, but when there are risks of injury or death a million times greater, it's like "nah, that won't happen to me."
Very good point!!. Human psychology eh?
Don't forget, Everest doesn't have plumbing and sooner or later, people will need a bathroom. No one is saving/storing 3 months of waste. It's easier to leave an empty oxygen tank than carry it back down.
All other animals poop and pee in the nature, it's nothing wrong with that really. The oxygen tanks tho is different
@@viktorhhh1 yeah, animals don’t poop and pee in one concentrated area, though. And they don’t do it on Mt. Everest.
@@StarWarsomania That is true, too much in a small area is not good
@@viktorhhh1 Well, if you are doing any kind of outdoor activity, it's either bury or carry. In Lofoten, Norway, they now require hikers to carry out their poo, because it has just become too much for nature to handle.
As some 1 that has cystic fibrosis well done to ur friend hes doing the CF community proud 👏 👏
Goals are critical to happiness, but pick your goals carefully.
Actually, statistically, more people have died descending than ascending. While you have accidents like falls and avalanches that add to the count, most people that die descending, they're dead because of summit fever. There are multitudes of examples of climber not turning back when they should. They will literally keep going into dangerous situation because of summit fever and end yp dying.
She didn't say they died in the queue, she said they died because of the queue. They end up spending more time in the death zone.
Someone else's comment addressed that;
"I am friends with someone who has been a tour organizer for decades. They had a death on the 2nd step because it was too crowded for descending climbers to get down. "
maybe summit fever is caused by not having enough oxygen to the brain for too many hours, weeks....whatever....., making logic and sensible decision making an impossibility, hindering a person's own self from saving themselves by turning around sooner.
Once someone gets like that way up there, no one can make them do anything......or talk sense to them. It's a REAL physical impairment going on not just intense desire to reach the top.
My English teacher in middle school attempted Kilimanjaro and had to turn back due to altitude sickness. It’s scary how fast everything can change up there.
My untrained brother “climbed “ Kilimanjaro. That’s not climbing. That is just a difficult hike.
@@Simonb1977 Your brother might have been in better shape or naturally be able to handle elevation well. Kilimanjaro's summit is 19,300 ft. I don't know if you've ever been at extreme elevation, but anything over 14,000 starts to get weird, and every 1000 ft above that makes things exponentially more difficult. It's nothing like Everest, at 29,000, but Kilimanjaro is more than just a difficult hike. It's the elevation that gets people.
People who climb Mount Everest and make it are not worthy of praise, just as the ones who died there aren’t worthy of pity.
Interestingly her last statement is an exact description of the mentality of many us citizens regarding social security. I know there are risks but it won’t happen to me…
As a Brit, married to a Nep....I've seen ALL the greed from the Nepalese Government to make money from ME....the queues etc to get up the mountain are terrifying....if you want a challenge, walk to Base Camp - forget the rest of the trip! Even the Sherpas are dodgy these days..... it's all a money-spinner/tourist & death trap these days!
It makes my blood boil that they FORCE climbers to go with a Sherpa/Tourist group....charge them £££££ on top of the visa/licence, then just walk away saying "Oh dear, they died from altitude sickness".....are you for real??????
The Sherpas of old are not the Commercialised money-grapping arses of now! Nepal has changed.....place to visit once but not live!
Yes unfortunately true... that's why I went up via the Tibetan side, which is more difficult to climb, but less crowded. I still also love Nepal though, great place.
I made my summit in April 2024 ' I was told by my climbing team ' You listen to the sherpas & us ' more importantly this is their world' their mountain ' we only have access to it. The Hillary Step is gone ' it's away. But I promise you it's like waiting for a train" The line is that long ' as we were waiting a body fell" I nearly got hit with a person's oxygen tank, I saw people screaming if you can't handle that don't try to ascent. & remember the summit is only half of it because you have to come down & that's when most deaths and injuries happen.
😱Do you mean… you saw some die falling down?? That would scar me for life…
@StarWarsomania Wow I just logged in. Yes I was fixed to the mountain & we were at 26,247 feet, we were getting ready to summit & Boom the body on one side just complete free fall & then the oxygen can came' if my amazing sherpa who saw this coming before me ' never pulled me over that oxygen can would've taken me & at least 2 other people. To make it to the top, I can only describe it as waiting for a school bus 'wity at least 30 kids in front of you..
*snow-capped mountain@@jackowasabi4985
Every time I see the picture of the lines on Mount Everest, I wonder why anyone would want to be there. Frozen dead people, human feces and garbage. I find it extremely unappealing and I’m so disgusted by what they’ve turned it into.
They want to climb the highest peak in the world. It doesn't matter how it looks.
They do it so they can brag about it later
It’s okay to back down from certain risks. I wish more people thought this way.
Still don't get why people would pay a hefty sums of money just to have a chance to die. What do you want to prove by climbing everest?
Just shows our true herd mentality. Why Everest? Because it’s the most commercialized and it’s that simple. I mean there’s a queue on the mountain… where else do you know there’s a queue to? The most popular or newest restaurants, bars, clubs, rollercoasters, concerts, etc etc. we all want new but do the same exact things to experience it. Sometimes, on a more philosophical note, I see why we have had rulers since recorded history. It’s like we were made to be ruled, domesticated, and controlled. These are just small examples of it.
If you have no other purpose, you have to find it through advertisement
@@ShiftingCloudsYT i think that's a part of it, but also this so called "thrill seeker" just doesn't care. They think by doing all of these dangerous things, such as hiking mount everest, or cave diving, etc. They can satisfy their "desire", and even the media depicted them as "hero".
But they just don't think far enough with the notion of if things go wrong, somebody needs to help them. And that somebody needs to risk their life to help said thrill seeker. Just plain dumb.
Here in my country, Indonesia, from now and then we always find these dumbasses doing whatever they please without actually following the local rule about things they can and cannot do. They just don't care, with their bloated ego in their head.
Same reason those people in the submarine paid 250k to look at the Titanic: for the experience and the bragging rights.
exploration and adventure is a trait selected for, the problem here isn't they ppl want to do it, it is that they have no idea what they're doing lol
Ego + stupidity + an excess of money.
As soon as it became a tourist attraction it lost its value as an achievement.
Yeah. And no one respects the land there. Base Camp has become riddled with trash pollution. Disgusting.
“Getting to the top is optional. Getting down is mandatory.” ~ Ed Viesturs
I’m glad that someone is talking about this because it brings more awareness to risks! I had no idea it was that difficult and that some people physically can’t handle it
Normal people can’t handle even being at the Everest base camp because the altitude there is 5200 m
Shes just retelling what 100's of ppl said before her
I heard of one guy who lost toes on his first try, lost fingers on the second, and lost his life on the third.. dude wouldn't learn.
Protip: there are plenty of life-changing things you can do that don't involve risking your life. Learn new skills. Get healthy. Volunteer. I'm certainly more proud of the fact that I got rid of back pain without medication than of any travels I've done.
Got rid of back pain? That's a personal Mt Everest you've conquered. Congrats!
Well done to you 😊🙏
Direct reason why most people die on Everest: they shouldn't be there in the first place: they are not mountaineers but just people who want to show "their achievement".
Underlying reason: the climb is making money for the Nepalese government, for the local economy and for the agencies, so it's not regulated in a reasonable way
Overall it's a textbook example of how ineffective "raw capitalism" is at preserving lives and environment, but incredibly effective at ripping off.
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It's highly regulated, overly so, actually.
It's now at a stage where it has too much government control.
I've summitted several times, but then again, K2 is probably the hardest I've done. Everest is a beginner level climb. No real technical aspects to it, at all.
After knee replacement at 36, I decided to set a recovery goal to work towards. Adventurous me chose to summit a continent. Practical me chose the flattest continent, with a ski lift to take you most of the way and an elevated walk path to the summit. So, in 3 months, I'm going to Australia. Paying for a guided hike, even though you don't have to.
lol, good on you. The hardest part is trying to pronounce the name of the mountain
Crazy how much money is made on Everest expeditions, yet the surrounding villages are still in poverty
From a technical climbing standpoint, it isn't even that hard of a climb, either, it's just the highest mountain so it gets the most buzz on climbing it...
Excactly. There is a reason that so many people climb Mt. Everest, and then feel like some superhuman, but only very very few experienced people attempt to climb the K2, even though it's only a few meters shorter, but it's way way steeper and way way harder to summit.
The altitude is what gives it its noteriety, the very low air pressure and oxygen levels (about 1/3) of at sea level means that it takes a very heavy toll on your body especially if you are not used to climbing mountains
@blob0000 The sherpas actually climb Everest. Most of the rest, just follow them to the top. Not that it doesn't still require a considerate effort...but the Sherpas do all the hard work and many die, not only because of those lines but because they should have attempted (to buy) the climb in the first place.
@@nlama9663 Pretty much everyone does it with supplemental oxygen, though. The altitude has an effect, even with an oxygen mask, but any reasonably fit person can do it with enough help from their Sherpa guide.
Yeah, they all just seem to be walking along.
There are two types of people. “That won’t happen to me” and “I would be the one it would happen to” guess which ones live longer.
The greatest happiness and journeys take place in your mind.
I'll never forget hearing about the woman who was frozen in place but still alive.
@biohazard8295 That's horrible. I did not know about such a sad incident. Mount Everest also?
@@eviep2 Her husband also died trying to rescue her. His body was found in 1999. It's just sad. Two people died for what... bragging rights?
@biohazard8295 thank you, I just read about her because of the info you provided. Very tragic, indeed.
@@EurydiceAllAlong they probably regretted when they realized what was going to happen.
@@EurydiceAllAlong I used to think that's what they wanted, but then I married an athlete. They're something else, man. It's about the experience, proving to yourself that you can do it. Only, you never know if you can do it until you're there, and sometimes you can't. It doesn't mean they're dumb. They're just different. They're the people in the tribe who eat the unknown berries or explore the dangerous areas, and they either die or help the tribe survive.
When I was in the military, I became good friends with another Marine that married into Money. When we got out, he invited me to climb Everest. We figured no big deal. Honestly, we were shocked with the amount of trash. Ultimately, we made it to the peak. After we were finished, yeah, we can say we did it. It just doesn’t seem real.
I have no sympathy for anyone who dies doing something so stupid. There is literally no reason to be going up there.
Especially considering how much it costs, and how many people that have kids when they do this.
Completely agree! And then their families go crazy demanding other people go risk their lives to retrieve the body. If you're stupid enough to pay the ultimate price for cheap thrills and ego boost then you should also accept that you could very well rest there forever.
I have cystic fibrosis. I turn 50 this year. I shouldn't be here. I'm relatively healthy. But I find my lungs are stronger than most people's around me. Especially through covid! I think it's awesome hearing about somebody with cystic fibrosis that has summited Everest 🤘 mind over matter
Way back when I can understand exploring places undiscovered. But in today’s world it seems such a pointless endeavour. So much more worthwhile things you could spend that energy on. And then to just leave all your rubbish up there is so disgraceful. I’ll never understand that kind of mindset.
Exactly, it's insane
As someone with Cystic fibrosis, and successfully 12 years post transplant, I've had people try to be that person to do it all post transplant, taken too many risks and die because of some choices they made post transplant. That ended in them getting infections that turned into rejection. I've had to sacrifice not doing certain things, and still alive 12 years post double lung, and 20 years post liver transplant with CF. Something i live by is "Man sacrifices his health in order to make money. Then he sacrifices his money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived.” - The Dalai Lama
One hilarious quote that makes me laugh is "every single dead body on mount Everest was once an extremely motivated person, stay lazy friends!" 😅
I am friends with someone who has been a tour organizer for decades. They had a death on the 2nd step because it was too crowded for descending climbers to get down. They switched focus onto other peaks and now only offer the ABC trek on Everest because it’s “unethical to play into the madness “
Poop mountain
I climbed diamondback in Hawaii. There were stairs, and hand rails. Got to wear shorts and a t shirt and some vans. Good enough for me
I'm glad I'm an introvert that hates going outside.
😅 lol
This is why I make sure all my life goals can be accomplished at sea level.
😂😂😂😂😂 You’re nuts
Just saying, “most people die on Everest due to queues to the summit” is way off. Most people die due to avalanche/falls, second to this would be altitude related illness like HACE and maybe stuff like cardiac arrest. There are few examples where queues have caused issues, but it’s the summit fever that gets people, not the queue itself. If you are dying from exposure in a queue you can turn around. When an avalanche takes you or you fall off the khangshung face, you cannot turn around, that’s it.
This feels like one of the hubris things like “Everest is unsafe now because we made it so” but nope, on percentage less climbers die now than in 70s and 80s when it was far less populated, and those were most all “real” climbers with no queue in front of them. It’s almost always avalanche that is the #1 cause of death, this is the same on k2.
Also modern expeditions now climb other peaks neighbouring Everest to acclimatise, reducing total trips through the Khumbu icefall, which is the actual most dangerous part of the journey, and is nowhere near the big queues on summit ridge.
Also thanks to a lot of modern weather detection, safety equipment, better helicopters, better infrastructure in Sherpa country etc etc etc it is actually a lot “safer”.
It’s also worth noting Everest permits have still not risen back to pre-covid levels where there were about 900 permits a year it’s at about 700 ish now.
TLDR: yes Everest is very dangerous but not really because of queues.
Definitely oversold! Is there really any difference than hiking another tall mountain? I watched a documentary how this woman had a panic attack on a ladder and all other hikers were stuck for almost an hour because she wouldn’t move.
Anyone that is involved in the Everest community or industry, they ALL say it's over crowded now and very dangerous because of it. That photo they showed is real and what a damn shame to die up there, without reaching the summit, because too many people up there at once. Very sad
All of the bodies on mount Everest are still perfectly preserved because of how cold it is up there...The bodies just freeze and never decompose.
Those of us who think “yeah, I’d definitely die on Everest” also aren’t the ones who are going to try it. Also I’m not sure it’s worth the trauma and loss, either, even if you survive. Huge achievement for that friend though.
I was 17 years old when I realized I would never take any sport or crazy activity, where my life could be in risk.
Adrenaline, life is so amazing why to risk everything. If you think life is boring, go and help others. my opinion and i respect the people who think in the opposite way , its their life.
What’s disgusting is the sherpas who have to carry all their stupid luggage and walk ahead and get oxygen ready for them! Every year the sherpas have to go out first and peg all the lines for everyone else to use not knowing if the path they take will kill them as they’re making it. It’s disgusting, all of it is disgusting.
Doing it with CF is ABSOLUTELY INSANE. What a stud of a person.
I’m so tired of Everest being treated like an amusement park and looking like a graveyard
Altitude sickness strikes randomly, even to experienced climbers. Families often don’t want to pay $50-100,000 to have the body shipped home. Corpses are used as route waymakers.
Living in a tent, no facilities, eating freeze dried food, etc. woo hoo.
Or you could sign up to see the Titanic. Fish need food, too.
I almost died many times. So grateful to be alive and being given many second chances. I wonder whats more crazy, addictions or everest climbing?
As a former and now recovered addict, I would want to say that Mount Everest seems like a strange “high” for people to chase after and I’ve never seen the appeal in it … but I also feel like I have no room to judge others on their bad or crazy choices 😅 I’m sure plenty of people who have climbed or want to climb mountains and would look at my past and think “what an idiot” 🤣
@@hannahbarrett1221 Both addictions and climbing everest seem to be unethical. Though as you said I have no place to judge.
I love mountains but have no desire to climb Everest. People die every year treating it like a tourist attraction rather than respecting and fearing it
The saddest part is the whole. Mt Everest is just covered in dead bodies cause it’s too dangerous to retrieve them and in many cases you literally have to step over corpses to get to the summit
Nims Purja took that picture. This guy and what his team of Nepali professionals accomplished is insane. You need really specific characteristics and mindset/way of life to do these things. Admirable
I'm glad I have anxiety because it causes me to avoid stunts like this and making dumb decisions that could risk my life. I even fear driving because I know it's dangers. I'm such a shut in but it's protected me thus far
Only idiots take risks. To be afraid is very sensible.
Read 'Into Thin Air'. It is the true story of a failed climb of Everest. It is riveting.
,,that won't happen to me" is so real though. Most of us are so far removed frim danger that they don't even have those survival insincts.
I personally work with big animals of which some have behavioursl problems, but I can't really feel fear around them even though it would be safer for me. I try to be safe trough rationality, but some fear in the right places would be good.
Well, I work with horses, and totally same about not having that fear, but I think with horses ar least it’s better to not have fear and think things through rationally (and also use safety equipment like helmets and steel toe boots and such) because they’re prey animals and can probably tell if you’re afraid and possibly get more reactive
@varpu3706 That's true, forgot about that when commenting. Well maybe it's not so bad then, but I think I would be more cautious if I had more fear. But I try to think about it rationally aswell yes, I hope that's enought to keep safe :)
@varpu3706 Horses are prey animals??
@@heatherwoodley8244 Yes, as in horses do not hunt any animals, but there are predator animals who hunt horses (like mountain lions or wolves).
@@heatherwoodley8244 Yeah but if they sense fear they might think something is wrong and be fearful aswell, upping the risk of them kicking because of being scared or something similar.
i was reading an article about mount everst and the author states it is not mount everest but Sagarmatha or Qomolangma to be exact and the first ascenders were not Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay it was the locals that have been doing it 20k years ago, these statements blew my mind because we all want to westernized things as we were the 1st ones to do the impossible while not giving credits to the awesome sherpas (himalayan people living on the borders of nepal and tibet renowned for their extraordinary and outstanding mountaineering skills known to man)
My ex boyfriend was completely obsessed with the idea of climbing K2, less so with Everest but as someone who was into mountaineering, obviously that was an eventual goal too. I used to tell him he could do just about anything in the world but if he was ever foolish enough to risk his life and that tragedy for me, he would have to choose between the mountain and me 😂 He gave up on trying to convince me eventually and settled for dreaming of the lower peaks. (still broke up but i wanna send this to him and remind him that he promised 😅)
K2 has a fatality rate like 15x as high as everest
You should definitely remind someone a life saving promise they made
Sounds like you're single
Stop messaging him if he’s ur ex. Ex for a reason quit craving attention
L woman 🧍♀️
Read Into Thin Air by John Krakauer. That’ll cure most people of wanting to climb Everest, myself included.
Is actually more dangerous to walk down the mountain.. by the time you’ve reached the summit and you’ve gone through it all they’re absolutely dead tired, and you are more likely to make critical mistakes while going back down to camp 4.
There’s also the sunk cost fallacy of having spent at least £30,000 (£100,000 are the luxury options!) and stayed there for several months. To not reach the summit must be devastating. They probably just think they’ll push a little longer, but a lack of oxygen interferes with your ability to think and affects their judgement.