Somehow you missed the point!.... yes they are quite obviously linked with income parameters....... everyone knows the rules and monetary requirements!...... maybe you'll nip down to the tax shop and tell them ' hey look ..I have 800k in my acct !.... give me a tax ID number please ' ..!..... might have too spell this out, but please do not do that...
Any Contract you sign even your passport always write ALL RIGHTS RESERVED underneath your signature. The Government hates that we are under Contract law ( Statutes) not common law.
Immigration just want to see if you can support yourself: B800k in bank or B65k confirmed to arrive monthly. I think the Banks will reports large amounts of money coming into your account here to the Revenue Dept. Ouch!
The reinterpretation of the existing law was published in the Royal Gazette on the 6th October, 2023 (See - Mazar’s In Thailand To Advise Thai Tax Payers On New Taxation Rules For Foreign Income BANGKOK POST). Also it all over the internet that tax resident singles/couples with income over 120K/220K have to file a Tax Return and there are penalties if you don’t (One Source Is - How To File Your Income Tax In Thailand In 2024 EXPATICA). In the past retirees etc requesting TIN’s would be told they didn’t need one and to go away and were never tax audited but the fact that they never enforced Tax Rules didn’t mean they didn’t exist.
Well, how am I supposed to know if I have to file any kind of tax declaration, how am I supposed to know that i have to get an tax number ? The Revenue department as, Thai Government, knows my address, so they will send me a friendly reminder if i am meant to file for anything. Nobody told me until now anything. I have no income in thailand, nor do i transfer INCOME to Thailand, just savings, I know, i have NOTHING to tax in this country. If otherwise, please prove the opposite.
The only Government department in Thailand (aside from what is vehicle related) I deal with is Immigration. If Thailand wants to order me to do something, even something to do with taxes, I assume it would be immigration that advises me. Short of me being told to do something about taxes by the only drpartment of Thai government that I interface with - immigration - then I have no tax issues to deal with in Thailand - end of story. As for tourist fee, a fee is a fee is a fee is a fee...and a tax is a tax is a tax is a tax. No one has told me I have to pay either.
That's where you go wrong. Immigration has nothing to do with taxes. If you are a resident, it's your responsibility to inform yourself about your duties as a resident, and that includes paying your taxes. If you don't pay your taxes while you should, you are in the hook for hefty fines. And don't forget that Thailand interchanges information with other OECD members through the CRS system since 2023, so you might run into problems in your home country. Inform yourself. Me myself, for the same reason, won't be spending more than 180 days in Thailand in order to be not a tax resident.
@@hyperskivo8426 I haven't heard anything from Thai Elite who have 1,000's of clients who live here over 180 days. Not a single message about tax. I bring in savings and income that has already been taxed therefore there is no tax to pay (as per the DTA) and no tax return to file. Until someone tells me otherwise that is how it shall remain. Are you confusing this with untaxed income?
I don’t think the Tm6 has anything to do with the DTV. The form is just used for “ census and monitors the comings and goings .” However the confusion is going to cause a lot of concerns. Belize and other countries have similar forms to go in and out of country. Thailand is just putting all of it online less paper. Hopefully they will not put a tourist tax but those of us who have long term visas are not considered tourists. Right?? Anyways great video as always ❤❤❤
I would vote for renaming the "tourist fee" (300 THB) as "visitor fee" or "three beers fee" or "pimp fee" or "TM6 digitalized paper fee" ;-) ... because if applied, it will be for all non-thai (not only "tourists"). My only problem, is to pay digitally before entering Thailand...I want to pay cash at airport arrival.
Good questions. Another thing to me that sounds kinda weird is let's say you bring a million dollars into the kingdom, but you only stay for 179 days? Is the Thai Tax Revenue Dept. just going to be okay with that no matter how much dough you parked in or spent in the nation? Doesn't make much sense.
I agree emphaticlly that a tourism tax is should not be within the purview of the Immigration Department. If imposed the Tourism Ministry need to undertake their own arrangements for the taxa collection. Payng the fee at the time of ticketing is the better option as the ticket issuers/airlines can then pay the Ministry. Paying at the time of arrival is not possible unless as the Ministry have no collection facilities there, and if they were to implement this it would merely slow down the arrivals process for tourists. Yet agin if the airlines and agents were to collect the fee they would need to click the ticket to cover their overheads. The Tourism Fee is a complex issue and it seems the Ministry of Tourism and Sport have -once again- put the cart before the horses and are now wondering why the cart stays still. I'm betting the whole issue will never see real daylight.
They suggested airlines collecting this tax and the airlines told them it’s not their job to collect taxes for Thailand. Ben even mentioned it in a Vid at the time.
The TM6 going digital, will you half to fill that out online before you get your flight to Thailand, or after you get your ticket, or is it done at the airport, or on the airplane? I have a desktop here at home, but I don't have a smartphone. Only a flip phone. Of course you did say this won't start until perhaps May of this year, but I'm not real sure if I can travel with just a flip phone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
It's going to ask you for your flight details, proof of address in Thailand etc as you did previously with TM6 card you filled in usually on your flight inbound.
I always paid Thai income tax whilst working here. The Work Permit will necessitate that salary and Taxation is shown in full clarity and paid accordingly.
@@senianns9522 Thanks for reply. My bad for not being clear. I'm a nonworking, retired expat who receives social security. I'm wondering if I will receive official notification informing me that I might be liable to pay income tax. The lack of clarity on this topic is just unacceptable. Cheers!
There is no easy answer but if you don’t work I guess this is not an income you receive so if you were to file a PND91 you may need to put that in another category. To get details and make sure on your point check a local tax thai lawyer they would be able to bring some clarity to it on how to deal with this if you need or not to file tax. This is not necessarily expensive, I paid about 2K for a consultation last time and still in touch by text to clarify points. On whether or not they would notify all foreigners, my guess is no they won’t as we are to know about the law and if this becomes a law that’s actually our duty to get informed about it (not to worry I am sure it will be in the news and shared widely as the past year the new interpretation of the law created so much waves).
I have the non-immigrant-O retirement status. In March 2024, I went to our tax office with my Thai wife to get this TIN number. The officer there said that if I have no income in Thailand, I don't have to pay taxes. Therefore, I don't need a TIN. I assume that I will be informed if this changes.
Iam a Swiss Citizen. A Surprise Letter Came from my Swiss Bank the said need my Thai TNI otherwise if they not get my TIN Number my Deposit and Rent Account will be froze So went to the local. Tax Office had to fill out some Papers. Had payed my Retirement Income Tax for the Year 2024… ..
I like your invention/use of a new word: HyperBollox - utter bollox, absolute rubbish. ref Rogethesaurus, Roger Melly the man on the telly, Viz comic, Geordie land, UK. Fnarr fnarr
The stance he is making is that TAXATION LAWS HAVE NOT ACTUALLY BEEN MADE in respect of the Taxation Dept discussion paper that suggests a 180 day stay or longer will require tax reporting..
Not necessarily, depends of your situation as shared in the video and previous ones on this channel, you may or may not need to file, and recommend to consult a tax lawyer operating legally in Thailand (not a foreigner). If you were already filing / have job in Thailand, work permit and such of course nothing changes you file as usual…
Appreciate you in depth discussions of these important topics Benjamin.
Immigration is not in the business of collecting taxes
Somehow you missed the point!.... yes they are quite obviously linked with income parameters....... everyone knows the rules and monetary requirements!...... maybe you'll nip down to the tax shop and tell them ' hey look ..I have 800k in my acct !.... give me a tax ID number please ' ..!..... might have too spell this out, but please do not do that...
I agree 100 percent. I just renewed my retirement visa without anyone asking me to get tax number or to file a tax return.
No consent equals no CONTRACT
He who makes the CLAIM bares the Burden of Proof
Any Contract you sign even your passport always write ALL RIGHTS RESERVED underneath your signature. The Government hates that we are under Contract law ( Statutes) not common law.
December 29 renewed my retirement visa not a word about tax.
Immigration just want to see if you can support yourself: B800k in bank or B65k confirmed to arrive monthly. I think the Banks will reports large amounts of money coming into your account here to the Revenue Dept. Ouch!
If it's not published in the Royal Gazette it's not law.
The reinterpretation of the existing law was published in the Royal Gazette on the 6th October, 2023 (See - Mazar’s In Thailand To Advise Thai Tax Payers On New Taxation Rules For Foreign Income BANGKOK POST). Also it all over the internet that tax resident singles/couples with income over 120K/220K have to file a Tax Return and there are penalties if you don’t (One Source Is - How To File Your Income Tax In Thailand In 2024 EXPATICA). In the past retirees etc requesting TIN’s would be told they didn’t need one and to go away and were never tax audited but the fact that they never enforced Tax Rules didn’t mean they didn’t exist.
Well, how am I supposed to know if I have to file any kind of tax declaration, how am I supposed to know that i have to get an tax number ? The Revenue department as, Thai Government, knows my address, so they will send me a friendly reminder if i am meant to file for anything. Nobody told me until now anything. I have no income in thailand, nor do i transfer INCOME to Thailand, just savings, I know, i have NOTHING to tax in this country. If otherwise, please prove the opposite.
Comprehensive overview of taxation in Sunday's Phuket News, thought you would be jumping right in on that.
It's just all the BS puts me of about Thailand
Enjoyed our chat on the phone yesterday. Keep hammering!
The only Government department in Thailand (aside from what is vehicle related) I deal with is Immigration. If Thailand wants to order me to do something, even something to do with taxes, I assume it would be immigration that advises me. Short of me being told to do something about taxes by the only drpartment of Thai government that I interface with - immigration - then I have no tax issues to deal with in Thailand - end of story. As for tourist fee, a fee is a fee is a fee is a fee...and a tax is a tax is a tax is a tax. No one has told me I have to pay either.
That's where you go wrong. Immigration has nothing to do with taxes. If you are a resident, it's your responsibility to inform yourself about your duties as a resident, and that includes paying your taxes. If you don't pay your taxes while you should, you are in the hook for hefty fines. And don't forget that Thailand interchanges information with other OECD members through the CRS system since 2023, so you might run into problems in your home country. Inform yourself. Me myself, for the same reason, won't be spending more than 180 days in Thailand in order to be not a tax resident.
@@hyperskivo8426 I haven't heard anything from Thai Elite who have 1,000's of clients who live here over 180 days. Not a single message about tax. I bring in savings and income that has already been taxed therefore there is no tax to pay (as per the DTA) and no tax return to file. Until someone tells me otherwise that is how it shall remain. Are you confusing this with untaxed income?
The SMART PHONE is the Mark of the Beast throw it away and use Smoke Signals.😊
Thanks for the report. Standing by
I don’t think the Tm6 has anything to do with the DTV. The form is just used for “ census and monitors the comings and goings .” However the confusion is going to cause a lot of concerns. Belize and other countries have similar forms to go in and out of country. Thailand is just putting all of it online less paper. Hopefully they will not put a tourist tax but those of us who have long term visas are not considered tourists. Right?? Anyways great video as always ❤❤❤
All this crap you could have told us in 2 minutes......
I would vote for renaming the "tourist fee" (300 THB) as "visitor fee" or "three beers fee" or "pimp fee" or "TM6 digitalized paper fee" ;-) ... because if applied, it will be for all non-thai (not only "tourists"). My only problem, is to pay digitally before entering Thailand...I want to pay cash at airport arrival.
“Don’t touch the event horizon” 😂❤
Hi Benjamin... I like your videos and I like your no BS attitude. Do you have offices in Pattaya?
like most countries, it mostly comes down to where you are domiciled (live) to be considered a resident for tax. That seems to be the bottom line
Good questions. Another thing to me that sounds kinda weird is let's say you bring a million dollars into the kingdom, but you only stay for 179 days? Is the Thai Tax Revenue Dept. just going to be okay with that no matter how much dough you parked in or spent in the nation? Doesn't make much sense.
The proposed ETA kinda sounds like the TM-6 to me.
Benjamin "restricted occupation" Hart
What happened to Move Forward and Mr Pik
Who's keeping track of the sponser mony that love clowns are sending their teeraks?
a very good question.
Spot on!!!!
Show us the codified law, too true, unfortunately merchants of chaos, especially foreigners getting excited over the mere mention of the word TAX.
I agree emphaticlly that a tourism tax is should not be within the purview of the Immigration Department. If imposed the Tourism Ministry need to undertake their own arrangements for the taxa collection. Payng the fee at the time of ticketing is the better option as the ticket issuers/airlines can then pay the Ministry. Paying at the time of arrival is not possible unless as the Ministry have no collection facilities there, and if they were to implement this it would merely slow down the arrivals process for tourists. Yet agin if the airlines and agents were to collect the fee they would need to click the ticket to cover their overheads. The Tourism Fee is a complex issue and it seems the Ministry of Tourism and Sport have -once again- put the cart before the horses and are now wondering why the cart stays still. I'm betting the whole issue will never see real daylight.
They suggested airlines collecting this tax and the airlines told them it’s not their job to collect taxes for Thailand. Ben even mentioned it in a Vid at the time.
Best case they use the same app as Australia or Singapore. But I fear they use something terrible like India, Sri Lanka, Vietnam ... all of which 💩
Well said Benjamin
The TM6 going digital, will you half to fill that out online before you get your flight to Thailand, or after you get your ticket, or is it done at the airport, or on the airplane? I have a desktop here at home, but I don't have a smartphone. Only a flip phone. Of course you did say this won't start until perhaps May of this year, but I'm not real sure if I can travel with just a flip phone,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
It's going to ask you for your flight details, proof of address in Thailand etc as you did previously with TM6 card you filled in usually on your flight inbound.
Super amazing! 1 day left and next day right…………😅
I'm retired going else where to complicated for me. I looking for a good place to go maybe PI
If and when the Thai government passes a new law requiring expats to pay income tax will expats be officially notified of their obligation?
I always paid Thai income tax whilst working here. The Work Permit will necessitate that salary and Taxation is shown in full clarity and paid accordingly.
@@senianns9522 Thanks for reply. My bad for not being clear. I'm a nonworking, retired expat who receives social security. I'm wondering if I will receive official notification informing me that I might be liable to pay income tax. The lack of clarity on this topic is just unacceptable. Cheers!
There is no easy answer but if you don’t work I guess this is not an income you receive so if you were to file a PND91 you may need to put that in another category. To get details and make sure on your point check a local tax thai lawyer they would be able to bring some clarity to it on how to deal with this if you need or not to file tax. This is not necessarily expensive, I paid about 2K for a consultation last time and still in touch by text to clarify points.
On whether or not they would notify all foreigners, my guess is no they won’t as we are to know about the law and if this becomes a law that’s actually our duty to get informed about it (not to worry I am sure it will be in the news and shared widely as the past year the new interpretation of the law created so much waves).
I have the non-immigrant-O retirement status. In March 2024, I went to our tax office with my Thai wife to get this TIN number. The officer there said that if I have no income in Thailand, I don't have to pay taxes. Therefore, I don't need a TIN. I assume that I will be informed if this changes.
Iam a Swiss Citizen. A Surprise Letter Came from my Swiss Bank the said need my Thai TNI otherwise if they not get my TIN Number my Deposit and Rent Account will be froze So went to the local. Tax Office had to fill out some Papers.
Had payed my Retirement Income Tax for the Year 2024… ..
The evisa is still required!
Absolutely.. yes they have.....!
Tm6 is more about statistics
It’s a promissory note…
I like your invention/use of a new word: HyperBollox - utter bollox, absolute rubbish.
ref Rogethesaurus, Roger Melly the man on the telly, Viz comic, Geordie land, UK. Fnarr fnarr
I'll be looking at Malaysia's my second home program... Thailand is way behind
I like how they want us to fix their problems
thx
No law? What do you mean? Stay 180 days and more your a tax resident and must file. I don't get your stance.
The stance he is making is that TAXATION LAWS HAVE NOT ACTUALLY BEEN MADE in respect of the Taxation Dept discussion paper that suggests a 180 day stay or longer will require tax reporting..
Not necessarily, depends of your situation as shared in the video and previous ones on this channel, you may or may not need to file, and recommend to consult a tax lawyer operating legally in Thailand (not a foreigner). If you were already filing / have job in Thailand, work permit and such of course nothing changes you file as usual…
As Benjamin has repeatedly stated. Thai Tax Laws remain unchanged at this time.
Globalists is spelled J E W S
I am not a Jew. But what you say is racist, but also incorrect. Globalists are socialist/communists
Class comment, especially if you have any idea what yesterday regarding 80 years was ????
Europa the last battle! Watch it all 12 hours of it !
They are not semites, but are Khazar impostors, as denoted in Revelation 2-9 & 3-9.
@@neilgillespie4498 it's a Jewish propaganda job, but Europa is worth a watch.