Like that Gayle King panel "men are uncomfortable and nervous to mentor and have a one on one with women in the workplace, so what does this say for us women? ... Well we're in a bad place" 🤦🤦🤦
Him: "I wrote a lighthearted book about men and their odd behaviour." Her: "Why don't you care about women's issues or take them seriously?" Their next guest will be an astronaut chastised for not mowing the lawn.
This is exactly it. Because it was the opposite where “women’s work”’was demeaned and looked down upon. It’s hard. I don’t know the right answer except to be kind and be grateful
Woman: “Boys are still taught not to talk about their feelings and express themselves” Same woman: *hijacks the conversation about men’s mental health and starts talking about how it’s a problem for women
It’s so asinine for feminists to claim that emotional repression is why men are committing suicide nowadays. The suicide rate was a lot lower when men were taught to be stoic and to only open up to their wives and close friends
It was absolutely infuriating to see him want to talk about issues that men go through, then immediately talk about WOMEN’S issues. It’s like showing up at a fundraiser for prostate cancer awareness and yelling at them for not caring about breast cancer… MADDENING.
Yep. The fact that they cannot detect such obvious contradictions in their own statements illustrates their inability to be reasonable. I don't know who those women in that panel are but judged on this clip, I will not subscribe to that channel or TV program or whatever it is. There are better options in life, thankfully.
She also said that she has many men in her life (a bunch of family members) and her close friend is a man to show that she is not against men and then started saying shit against men. It is the same as saying I have many black friends, so I can't be racist. 😆
@@pyrokatarina maybe they do same as some of oss: don't give a shit about her and her opinion. 😏 I don't think she is narcissistic, rather just vague. She does not challenge her opinions, and she is just repeating statements that she believes in, not necessarily rationalizing them. I also think that they are attacking the comedian because he is a "conservative" comedian, so no matter what, they must not agree with him. Which is also vague and superficial. 😁
Feminism has become tainted for good reason. It's no longer about "equality." It truly has devolved into a proverbial tug of war of getting women ahead of men in many aspects.
Good take. The biggest time it will hit people is if/when they have sons or nephews etc. When there was that big kafuffle after a presenterbwas fired for getting angry after that woman laughed at the mention of rampant soaring suicides among men under 34... I mean... imagine if that was the other way round?? Either round its revolting
I gave up arguing with women about why men don't seek out mental health resources when one I talked to refused to acknowledge the doublethink of "our mental health system is overtaxed and there's significant barriers to entry" and "men are privileged and always get first pick of everything and straight white men have no real problems". Also, being called "privileged" by a white woman with a stable family who can afford yearly vacations really put things in perspective.
@@dylansurendranath3091 it's the complete lack of nuance that gets me. I acknowledge that, yes, in terms of my appearance, I benefit from certain privileges, but appearance is only part of who I am. I grew up pretty poor in a mostly single parent household and due to being somewhere on the spectrum I was bullied a lot and didn't have many friends (or opportunities to network, develop life skills, etc). Yet, since I'm a ciswhite male, I can just walk into a six figure job and find a wife, apparently. The same people preach intersectionality without realizing that the same concept applies to everyone, not just those with marginalized racial identities ie there is intersectionality in every person if you drill down enough. That would be like automatically making assumptions about Patience Xina's unique life experience simply due to her skin colour and gender.
It was infuriating watching her grill him on why he’s not doing enough to prevent sexual harassment while he’s actively agreeing with her that he’d never condone it and is actively against it. Anyway I love your channel.
This nonsense that women don't get paid the same. Its ridiculous that they, as women, believe this. The reason why men get paid higher, generally, is because us women don't want to work 90 hours a week, or no holidays, no family time, no me time. There are only a small portion of men that are the top earners. But they also have no life. Most women want to have time off and they also work in portions like we start off working ft then go pt, and then have babies and work around the family...generalizing. There are women that do work in the top but very few. Also, women like all the comforts and not the hard jobs, again generalizing. But if ya want equality of pay then women need to get into the hard jobs like brick laying, building homes, sanitation, large machinery. Women have a lot of rights yet they want special treatment. We already have status quo where only women can apply for the jobs. Basically if you are a white man heterosexual, you get pushed aside for diversity hires.
@@6422022do you know what pay parity is? It’s not the total dollar value you do realise that right? Here’s the definition: Pay parity is the practice of paying people equitably. This means that those in the same job and location receive fair pay relative to each other regardless of their race, gender, sexuality, or any other identity. It’s two people working the same job or equivalent jobs not getting paid the same. It could people in the same role or people in comparable roles based on metrics. Also your “hard physical labour job” is not applicable here because that’s what the metrics are for - comparing the same level of physicality. Example, nursing. It requires a lot of education and training and is incredibly physically demanding, but nurses aren’t paid equitably for their labour compared to equally physically demanding jobs in male dominated industries, often of which require less education and skilled labour and don’t have the same levels of rates like burnout. So maybe instead of using terms you don’t understand so you can complain, learn first.
@@6422022these entitle women look at top earner men and think it's all rainbow and sunshine. Like you said they failed to see that those men have no life and if they have family the family is messed up.
The women on the panel clearly proved he is 100% correct. They both flipped their talk to be all about women and the last one had the audacity to demand he stand up for women before he speaks about male issues. Ava is full of hostility and hate
I cannot with those hosts. "Men should be able to speak about their feelings and their problems." A man speaks about men's issue. "Ok, well what about women?" My God, both men and women have issues and it's not a "poor me" competition. We should be listening to and supporting each other.
It's toxic masulinity. Not by him, but the women. One of the problems of "toxic masulinity" is that men are supposed to be mentally and physically tough. Those women are basically telling him and other men to quit whining because their problems aren't important. "Be a man and suck it up."
@@BiggieTrismegistusShow weakness to your girl. She'll dry up real quick. It's the whole Titanic thing. Jack dies for Rose. Rose would never die for Jack.
@@treacherousjslither6920 She isn't worth it, then. If the moment you want to confide in your partner, who is supposed to be there for you, they start thinking "this is not what I wanted out of a relationship, ugh" then they're shallow, selfish shitheads.
actually being mentally and physically tough isnt toxic masculine trait it is a masculine trait which is necessary imagine men who wanted save women and children in titanic werent tough all of them wouldv died men that were in titanic afraid of death too they didnt want die as well but thankfully for their toughness at least women and children in that ship lived and saw tomorrow @@BiggieTrismegistus
If they create a ministry for men, it’ll be a ministry for men’s responsibilities, while the ministry for women will be called “a ministry for women’s rights”.
I watched that debate live. It was very depressing to see a comedian talking about mens mental health being hijacked and the conversation being forced out to yet again prevent talking about men's issues
@@aster2680And he conceeded that the womens issues are real and tried to say we should help both men and women. She just brushed it aside with "Yeah but women have it worse, instead of writing a book talking about mens issues, why dont you make a movement that supports womens issues"
Imagine if a man went to his wife and said "Hey honey I've been feeling really down lately and am scared I'm having suicidal thoughts" and the wife just goes "Well make sure you keep those in check so you don't hurt or kill me, women are more likely to be killed in a relationship after all," that'd be absolutely insane, yet that's how these women sound discussing this topic
Sorry... why would any man burden his own wife with issues he can't handle?!?!? Who is SHE supposed to turn to for support?!?! Would you hand a heavy weight to a CHILD to carry?!?! And what if you don't have wife or children?!?
@@darrengordon-hillyou are here preaching that husbands and wives shouldn't burden their spouses if they are extremely depressed/suicidal and should instead handle their critical issues themselves? That's your idea of marriage?
"why dont you launch men against sexual harassment" .. are you kidding me? EVERYONE should be against sexual harassment for EVERYONE. a lot of women like to say that sexual harassment, abusive relationships and assault are mainly targeted on women, but i like to think that percentage is close to 50/50; because of the claim women make that "men cant be emotional", this makes MOST men afraid to talk about any type of harassment and abuse because they get shunned. thank you for your videos patience, you really are a star!
In my country if a man decided to report sexual harassment there is high chance that policeman would mock him and ignore that. Same if a guy said that to anyone. "Be a man", "Lol you let woman beat you" would be answers.
While this probably isn't something we'll know for sure, I can agree with you to an extent. A lot of men definitely don't talk about it if they do get abused just because of societal pressures. Though men do tend to be more violent than women, so I think the figures are closer to 60-40.
Well, yes and no. If we are talking about general toxic behaviour in a relationship, I am quite sure the percentage is 50/50. If we are talking about purely physical abuse, I am sorry but it is done mostly by men because A) they physically can. B) they are more physically aggressive (testostherone) generally. I completely agree with the point of this video and I agree we should enforce policies that allows men to search refuge from an abusive partner, BUT let's not deny reality saying that "domestic violence is 50/50".
@@Gabry4777 Actually that isnt accurate. Theres an increase in men " not " abusing women physically for fear of jail, being labelled a wife beater, losing their jobs from the backlash of what the world thinks of them etc. Its that notion that has men actively avoiding physical confrontation with a woman especially in relationships. The percentage of women that abuse men ( without retaliation) is actually about 70% to 75% i think it was. While men abusing women without retaliation is only at about 25% to 30%. What that means is that men are less likely to ( want) to get physical in the first place, even if they are physically abused by a woman. Versus women who are more comfortable with not "holding back" so to speak. Men by in large understand that they shouldnt touch women physically in a confrontation. Thus they are actually less likely to be physical, in that regard, even though they are stronger. Whats really apart of the abuse is ( intent ) to inflict physical harm. Women have men beat there.
When i was younger i was contemplating deleting myself because i thought no one cared about me and that therefore there was no point in trying tk do anything with my life as even my achievements would be ignored or held against me. I am now happily married to a woman who loves and supports me, and i love and support her. Supporting mens mental health not only saves lives - its genuine motivation for men to support women.
Man: "Both is important. We should just deal with specifically men's issues at the same time as we deal with specifically women's issues." Woman: "Well, sexism is ultimatelly bad for men too! " Me: ??????? This whole interview was wild. Those two women never really answered to anything Jeff was saying, like they were having a different conversation altogether.
They have a set amount of canned talking points that they regurgitate like zombies. They ran into a problem here because none of them were applicable to the discussion but it’s like they were programmed to spout them out regardless.
It's not as much sexism as it is misogyny vs misandry. So really the quote should be "Well, misogyny is bad for men two!" Sexism can apply to either one, but feminists use it so often the fact that it can apply to men has been largely forgotten
Our society now prizes victimhood over achievement and success. Men - of a certain ethnicity and sexuality - are judged to have never been oppressed or marginalised in any way, shape or form, therefore they are seen as less deserving of compassion. How do we think this will play out?
The idea that caring about the mental health of men is bad for women is contradictory, in my opinion. It's essential that we help with men's issues and women's issues because without caring for one of them, we indirectly harm the other. We need mentally-well men if we want to improve the quality of life for women.
@@BB-te8tc It's hilarious how they can actually think this when the reality is that if men didn't care about women we wouldn't have made it out of the stone age. We need each other because human connection is as vital to our survival as water.
Exactly. For example, sexual assaulters are mentally unwell and socially maladjusted men who are too far gone. If we can create a society where there's less of that, it would be better for women as well.
@@emz1412 you’re line of thought is black and white.. caring about someone is not the opposite of continued survival. Women’s biggest threat to their safety is men, this is on the collective as we’ve essentially eliminated all predators like wild animals. Mosquitoes the only exception for the entire history of our species existence. The thousand years of historical data and stats really don’t indicate much “caring and nurturing” on the part of men collectively, particularly when you look at the lack of fundamental human and legal rights women fought for and got in the last at most 300 years.
I agree with him. As a mother of 3 daughters, 1 son and being a wife, I hate the thought of my son and partner being told that me and my daughters will always have it worse because of the past oppression that women suffered. I'm not raising victims. We can only give them the tools to be good people, live good lives. I'm very lucky to have 2 AMAZING men in my life as well as my 3 beautiful girls ❤
at least some people are still sane iv got several disabilities and other issues the amount of people who will preach to you that your a victim is insane and the idea that people can be a victim for something that happened 80 years ago and is in the past really annoys me like for example if i was born 50 years ago i woulda been given hot and cold treatment in a mental health asylum and shock therapy this does not mean everyone with my conditions are automatically victims 50 years forward and it really annoys me seeing people on tv no less parroting this victimhood encouragement nonsense.
Nobody ever talks about past male oppression… ppl conveniently forget it was the hard work of great men that ushered in this industrial era that even allows some of them to have a say…
I literally just yelled at my phone screen when that lady at the end said "we need decent men to speak up against sexual harassment." WE LITERALLY DO, ALL THE TIME, YET YOU STILL SCORN US!!! Every time there's a story of a woman getting r@ped, or brutally murdered by a man, & all the men hating feminists start saying "hashtag all men", the decent ones speak up & rightfully acknowledge that not all men are sexual bastards, yet we're STILL scorned for that! Like, you can't have it both ways!
It all comes down to not undermining someone else's experiences and actually genuinely try and understand them. We are more and more lacking of empathy by the day.
Unfortunately a lot of people are dividing society into more and more labels and boxes so we can have an excuse to not feel empathy for the ones who aren't in our box. It's really quite ironic how the need for more labels and representation actually did the opposite and created more reasons for people to drift apart.
@@emz1412 I completely agree. There has never been a time in history where people didn't chastise each other for anything. Back then it was what we know (Racism against blacks, misogyny, prejudice against the disabled, etc). Now everyone chastises you for suppossedly being the one chastising those groups even though you are acting like a normal human being.
@@cherryhazard8002 Yeah. Another problem is the constant rat race of who can be the biggest victim and get the most attention. This is largely a social media problem though and I don't see it going away anytime soon. But hey, at least there's people like you and me who understand that.
@@emz1412I agree with you on that it definitely is a social media problem, and it's a huge competition for it, as if everyone had an easy life except for you. Newsflash, EVERYONE suffers, some definitely suffer less, but it's self involved to think that you deserve special treatment for something as basic like who you are attracted to. Thankfully there are some people that are normal.
@@emz1412 "Labels" are a way to classify people into different tribes. Humans ARE tribal. Full stop. We (probably) always WILL be... because it serves a necessary purpose... survival, among others. Don't waste your empathy on those who won't give it in return. Save it for those who care about you. That's part of how humans maintain our OWN mental health... which promotes survival. More than that even, it's part of how we identify who is in "our tribe"... and might be there for US when WE need THEM. Again, it's a survival instinct. So, no, it's not ironic... it's entirely logical and predictable.
as a woman its really nice seeing other women on youtube standing up for men - the comment sections on videos put out by liberal/leftist female yt creators tends to be a den of misandry and ugliness.
Yeah it's horrid, there's genuinely an issue in the modern day with men feeling out of place, and it's so hard to find a place that wants to resolve that rather than chastise it or take the full red pill
One thing that always annoys me is when people bring up the "just teach men not to sexually assault women" argument. As if men are out there just watching their sons grow up harassing women. Men hate rapists just as much as women do, and male friends don't encourage each other to do it. Have they just not heard what happens to people with any kind of sex crime in prison? It's such a ridiculous statement to make that I honestly can't believe so many people still parrot it like it's some kind of end-all genius statement.
Even if you feel there is a rape “culture,” men aren’t out there creating culture, humans are. Misogyny is perpetrated by women perhaps more than men. It’s everyone’s responsibility when there is an overwhelming cultural problem.
lol don’t we all make jokes about people with sex or violence crimes going to prison and getting their full doses of karma?? i thought we knew most people hate rapists and assaulters, but again extremists and activists are twisting things to fit their perspectives of reality and society, of course.
Every time men's issues are discussed in a public forum of any kind, be it TV, Radio, Reddit, etc, the discussion is immediately re-directed to "yeah, but women...". Old-boy was making the point that if there are issues affecting men specifically, you can discuss and try to solve those problems *while* also trying to solve women's problems, and the woman next to him immediately pivots to "yeah, but sexism...". You can't reason with these people. They don't even listen to what you say, they're just there to parrot their tired old talking points, like the soundly debunked wage gap.
In fact a lot of women's issues would be solved if men were treated better. Your husband is cold and emotionally distant? Well, where does that come from? Maybe from being abused for a long time? Of course some issues will also have conflicts of interest. But every solution that massively disadvantages a party will lead to problems down the road.
iv always found when people say we need to solve this issue first because it effects me they always overlook their issue is normally a secondary result like i knew a guy who kept working on a project and it kept imploding for a better term but he actively ignored the main causality of the issue as it was something that didn't directly effect him so he ignored it in till he gave up then someone else with a level head fixed the main issue even tho it was unrelated to him and got the same project done in 1 hour. the issue with people is they are so self absorbed and selfish basically having main character syndrome were they think the sun orbits them that the idea that someone else's problem can have secondary consequences and those consequences can be for someone else is a alien concept to them.
because their selfish greedy asses won't stop ringing the dinner bell for the simps which were all created by mothers who uploaded all that "women are vulnerable" shit in your minds when you're a child. and when you grow to a young adult your default programing kicks in and you don't even question why you are putting their needs before yours. you just know that it feels so good to go without especially if you are doing for a lady that is starving to death....but it's only now that you realised. they aren't starving. They won't stop asking for shit. feminism started in the 60's that's over sixty years ago. succeeded it's implementation in the 70's and kicked into full swing in the 80's through 90's.... if equality's what they wanted they surely have it. what they want now obviously s slave labor.... Without the penalty of guilt. they want men to willingly submit as if they suffered like slaves. let's call it what it is... Women are evil. mothers betray their sons daughters have betrayed their fathers. fathers and sons men and boys need to recognize women for what they are. because they won't stop, because that would be admitting they did something wrong.
Him: "Men are dealing with high suicide rates which are being ignored" Her: "women get harrassed, sexually assaulted etc." Also Her: "If men get harrassed too, Decent men should say something" YOU. CAN'T. MAKE. THIS. UP!!!
Man: I have prostate cancer and I started a charity to find a way to make sure this doesn't happen to my son. These women: Women have had breast cancer for years, why not make a charity for this issue?
My jaw is actually on the floor. They INVITED a guy who specifically works on men’s mental health and then say that he should focus on telling men not to rape women?!?! Are you fucking kidding? That right there is half the problem.
Exactly. Plus, that whole shtick is quite literally the most naive strawman argument I've ever seen. Like telling people who are warped enough to commit rape to stop is going to be that simple. The more naive thing is that they expect men to know and willingly associate with known rapists in order to catch them out. SMFH😅
Look to your left. Now Look to your right. One of these people will be murdered by a man and one of these people will be r@ped by a man. But, I'm a man, I hear you say.... and I have never done those things. Not yet you haven't. In the meantime, why don't you loosen the lids on glass jars, so as not to burden women.
I find it funny and sad at the same time. On the one hand ppl will talk about how men don't want to talk about their feelings and worries and they will blame that on toxic masculinity. On the other hand if men want to talk about such things they will often meet with reaction "I want a man, not a cry baby", "You want to steal attention from women's problems", "Men want to be in the spotlight again" etc
the blond lady was in Piers Morgan and said she wants men to be afraid so I didnt expect her to be at all sympathetic or come in good faith into the discussion. These rosters are made to have a controversial discussion and good content and therefore was disengenious from the start
If she thinks it's a good idea to ignore men someone will become afraid, but it won't be them. Those millions of pissed off, jaded, and alienated men can easily become a threat to all of society if they decide there's only one way to make their voices heard. History has shown us that.
We never get to be the victims, not even when we’re the victims. One common example is with false rape accusations, someone always says “the worst part is that this will make it harder for women in the future”. Really? A man’s life is irreparably destroyed for no reason and the WORST part is how his ruination may affect a hypothetical woman in the future?
So true bro, that is annoying, most don’t even “Real reports of sexual assault” like a universal thing for both at the very least, they specifically say female victims like zero actual care that this proven innocent man is done because a woman saw lying in him as EZ.
@@copperredd holy crap dude you’re doing exactly the thing I’m talking about. We KNOW women have problems, nobody is even disputing or complaining about that. Here I am pointing out something that hurts men specifically and you come out making it about women and taking the spotlight because everything everywhere all the time has to be about women and men should just suck it up and focus on women too
Men are more evolved, they should just innovate alternative means of reproduction and be done with them tbh… enough of hand holding like they’ve done since the beginning of time
As a women I thought this discussion was stupid. He couldn't even get his point across. The women on this panel were missing the reason he wrote his book. I was impressed by the fact he didn't walk out after being spoken over so many times.
@@crazypeopleonsunday7864 Yep... they basically red-pilled the guy. I wonder how much empathy he's going to have, in the future, for those who have no empathy for him.
@@Nyet-Zdyes Hopefully, he can reach the moral high-ground and retain empathy for others, even when unreciprocated. It's a hard climb to reach the high-ground, and it's easy to fall from there, but reaching it leaves you stronger than you were when you started your climb.
@@crazypeopleonsunday7864 Empathy is a limited resource. A person only has so much of it to give. The women on that panel demand empathy, but offer none. (Ditto, for a heck of a lot more just like them.) IMO, the REASON for that, is that they think that they deserve it, or that it is somehow OWED to them. In short, they are spoiled. Giving them empathy... It is, at BEST, condoning their behavior. At worst, it's PERPETUATING their behavior. Is that the moral high ground?
@@PennyWise-eu9nzyou seem to have a form of ptsd which prevents you from caring an iota about all other humans apart those few in your immediate circle. Your final sentence comes across as sociopathic.
@@PennyWise-eu9nz I don't particularly care about anyone I know, men or women, doesn't mean the overall state of people's mental health isn't worth discussing. You clearly have some issues if a few bad experiences mean men should have to rely entirely on family for support. You're actually a psycho, saying men who have no family to turn to should just off themselves because it's too inconvenient for you.
I would arguably say that most mothers and sisters only care about their sons or brother issues ,not in large men issues ,which it is what the girl on this channel said which I agree
I honestly think that the idea that men cannot be victims of abuse and women cannot be perpetrators is one of the most destructive fallacies of our time.
True, but man are the most likely to be perpetrators by much large than woman. They are the ones that when become parents of a daughter start with "man are like this" " I know what man think when they see you" bla bla bla.
Literally the most braindead part of our society. Women will defend abusers if they have the same genitals as them because they’re in some made up war against men. The whole thing needs to be corrected, women need to do better
I'm so tired of people attacking issues that negatively affect more men than women. God forbid someone say, "Hey, we should do something about issue XYZ and how it affects men." Cue the screeching.
If any man is claimed as misogynist and without proof gains some sort of traction/following he's immediately canceled from the internet and so on before any verdict is even reached.. But there's lots of content hating on men that's let loose by the same social media companies, it's absurd how the public doesn't notice such a flawed narrative and it's negative influence on men and young boys who face different challenges growing up to be the men they hope to become.
I felt bad when he starting saying that he didn’t want to sound like he had the violin out. He should have the violin out! Suicide IS a sad topic and it is awful that we can’t talk about it without feeling like we are whining.
I think it's more about him not wanting to be listened to out of pity, but out of respect instead. Although, these ladies seem like their fragile female egos crumble when a man asks for basic respect, and tbh if he used "the violin" to get sympathy...it would've truly made him an easy meal for these social cannibals.
That “debate” was a perfect example of why things are the way they are and there is little hope anything will get better.. They’ve given red and black pill’ers at least a years worth of ammunition. Great job BBC. Great job.
6:28 this is why it's pointless for men to talk about their problems. And it's not that men "can't" cry in public, it's that we know we will be punished for doing so. I learned this when I was very young. A girl/woman crying will elicits sympathy from everyone, while a boy above the age of 11 crying elicits disgust. Men are penalized, specifically by women, for showing weakness, so we don't do it. Or we know to do it in the company of men we trust who won't use it against us in a future fight.
women do that even without being malicious. They are simply more interested in things that affect them personally than bigger picture topics. This is relected in our college majors, careers, everything. Men look to the horizon for danger, women look within arm's reach for community/family/relationships.
"Men should support women" i agree, but how does supporting women help men with depression and suicide? Do they really think the reason men are depressed and suicidal is because they dont care enough about women? I've gone through depression and it had nothing to do with how i was treating, caring or supporting people and i would be willing to bet it's the same for most men.
The reality is this. There is a limited amount of government funds, and these feminist women will be damned if any of it goes to men's issues. That's it. There's nothing deeper than that. They just view the world as "us" (women) vs "them" (men).
It is very jarring to see someone bring up a male statistic or the male experience and then have someone counter by bringing up a different issue ie 5:30
Even in an interview talking about men’s issues and mental health, we are still put on the back burner, and they wonder why we don’t talk about our feelings, as a young man I was always told to man up or “just get back on the horse” society always told men to just deal with it and move on, I’ve gone through hell and back to get to where I am now in life, and for the first time I am truly blessed after battling mental/physical health problems, but I remember that first step of asking for help took me years to do as I didn’t want to bother anyone with my problems, but no-matter who you are or what your going through, know that someone cares about you and that you are loved by those around you.
I said “men committing suicide at alarming rates, women most affected” as a joke about 2 minutes before those women started in. It really didn’t take them long.
Did you know, that men are more likely to be in an abusive relationship? A few years ago, my home town announced that it was introducing extra shelters for women fleeing violent marriages, boyfriends, etc, etc. I bring this up as, I myself having been in one abusive relationship myself (she threw boiling water at me, tried to stab me), as this would have not looked, so one-sided, and it is a massive issue that isn't talked about anywhere. Turns out, it never crossed the council's mind.
Pizzy opened the first women's refuge in the late 60s. Her next intention was to open a men's refuge. It was blocked. There still aren't any in England.
One thing I’ve noticed It’s always the most privileged women that say stuff like this but when it comes to supporting actual issues that are harming women outside of western countries they are silent all of a sudden.
Reasonable man: "Maybe a Men's Minister would be a good idea because often it seems like people don't want to discuss men's issues". Moronic women: "Nonsense. Anyway enough about that, let's talk about women's issues."
I’m a young man with depression who occasionally contemplated self deletion however after focusing 100% of my time on women’s issues I was completely healed overnight 🤡🌍
I've been seeing this happen for a while. It's things like this that make men think modern women are self-centered, egotistical, and love being able to claim "victim" status. The women speaking obviously believe any problem they have should automatically trump the problems of men. They also don't want to acknowledge that culture is harming men, because _they're_ the ones who get harmed by culture. Being a victim is supposed to belong to them, not to men.
sure, let's see how the modern men will react to being told that they are worthless and that they will have to sacrifice themselves for everyone else and you won't even get a hug in return. I am sure statistics and numbers are not clearly showing that men are slowly checking out of society one by one and adding to the slow crumbling of western societies.@@PennyWise-eu9nz
Isn't that pretty much always how it goes with these types? They ignore an issue, or they downplay it, and then eventually they pretend they were on board with it all along.
So when the #MeToo movement started up there was actually a second movement called #HimToo were men were trying to also bring attention to the sexism they face in the workplace. As you can guess it was all immediately ridiculed and attacked and shut down before it could ever really get started. There were also men who gave their experience with sexual harassment in the workplace in the me too movement and again they were belittled and harassed and told to shut up because it's not their time. Men do face harassment in the workplace but we have no idea how much because even if they do come forward we tell them to shut up.
When the woman to the right of the screen (Sorry, I don't know who it was) said that male suicide rates were only higher than women's because men were more successful at it, then yes, like Patience, my first response was to laugh, but it actually carries an important message. A 'successful' suicide attempt is not physically difficult to achieve if you are commited to the idea and I think this feeds into the differing success ratio. Of course what I am about to say is a generalistion and by no means is it true to all cases, but is it not relevant that women are more socially focussed than men? I have no evidence for it, but it would make sense that female suicide is more often the 'cry for help', attempting to get a problem noticed and dealt with when feeling isolated, whereas men are less likely to see any hope for, or even consider societal help when they cry for attention and being driven to such an attempt is a way out rather than a way back. Discussions such as the panel talk here, really just reinforce the idea that men are on their own when trying to deal with problems.
As if our “success” is something to be admired. Also probably linked to the manner they attempt it. Most men choose brutal and destructive means meaning it is done in seconds while women choose methods that are cleaner which usually take longer and therefore have a better chance of being saved.
This... is a very sad, but very noteworthy point, which should probably be given closer examination and investigation. (I mean, I'm honestly just commenting to try to get this comment closer to the top of the page. Algorithm or whatnot.) But, seriously, this is a very interesting thought.
Well a successful suicide isn't around to try again so that may be why women attempt more. But the two arguments used to minimize male suicide is "women attempt it more" and "men don't express emotion like women - men should try and be more like women". And the "women attempt it more" has been debunked.
Shh, that's too smart for them to understand. Say it like this. We can stop sexual attackers on women by sending all men to a facility bi-weekly where someone with a doctorate degree evaluates them... wink wink.
@@Vickzqyou think one day someone gets out of bed and says "i will r***e someone today"? Or could it be that depressed individuals with no support system going deeper and deeper into a dark place end up in a situation where they make a horrible decicion they would not do if their life would be better? In no way i am defending or excusing a r***ists decicion. Understanding the roots of a crime does not mean excusing it.
@@5calambres Really, you're so dumb? Large majority of such criminals live in quite normal life circumstances... they do that because they _enjoy_ it. That idea of a _single guy lonely living in a basement_ is a total clownery. That's exactly why _teach boys not to..._ is kindergarden. Everybody knows it's wrong. A normal man doesn't do this, depressed or not.
This whole thing just makes me sad. I'm sick of people constantly trying to just silence each other with their own problems. Why is this so damn common? Why do these people never want to listen? Why are there so many of these shitty narcissistic dipshits infiltrating these discussions and making them harder and harder to have?
I think it's the scarcity mindset that Patience mentioned near the end ie "we only have enough time/resources to talk about so much so we should make sure that we make it mostly about women's issues"
@@BB-te8tcI think that is correct. That, and the fact that it was the opposite way for so long (remember, in the entire history of humanity, “might makes right” has been the norm forever. It is hard to not see)
We now prize victimhood, and blokes like Geoff are judged to have never been victims in their lives based on their sex, ethnicity and sexuality. So their problems and issues will never be taken seriously because it's so easy to point to another group and say, "Well things are worse for them." I'm expecting less and less participation and engagement from blokes like Geoff in the coming years. That's when things will get really interesting.
Damn, that woman said she has brothers and a son. I hope and pray that she will never have to experience her son's trauma, or the consequences of the lack of support he will get for his issues. And that when he does reach that low point, and has to face that decision, he will understand that his mental health and s--de prevention just weren't that important relative to the wage gap, or the harassment that some women have received or will receive in the future.
Women’s position on the victimhood totem pole has to be defended at all costs, even to the point of being blatantly insensitive to, or dismissive of, other people’s suffering. I hope the women on that panel took the time to ponder and regret how cold-hearted they are.
They forgot about male victims being abused by other women, & female predator teachers preying on younger male victims. Double standards is part of men's issues.
@johnhammink2716 Almost forgot, another UA-camr named Itstaytaybaybee proved that women cheat MORE then men in relationships. Even other people on UA-cam talked about that.
I'm getting so sick and tired of someone bringing up something fairly and clearly, like an issue they have, just to have it met with a strawman of "well this issue is happening so yours is invalid!" In my experience feminists and woke people do it so much. You wanna say that it was never confirmed that Gwen Stacy was trans in Spider-Verse? "Yeah well know what, there are LITERALLY laws making it okay to snuff out trans people and I'm literally shaking!!!!" 😑😑 Do these ladies not realize how nice these guys are being by saying "don't get me wrong these issues are still very valid yes!" Like no they don't deserve that if they wanna swerve off topic. Btw Patience that ad was excellent lmao
I'm honestly starting to give up trying to fight this narrative, sometimes i feel like shutting myself off from most people and just focus on hobbies and career
As someone that used to be something of a recluse, I have to say that is the stupidest thing that you could possibly do. Even your favorite things will end up feeling meaningless living like that.
They litterally proved this man's point. Edit: the older lady reminds me of a feminist that replied to a simple question regarding men and women asked by a man on the street, and her reply was to insinuate that she knew the man was angry and that she would end the conversation there.
I'm not from the UK, but I can seriously relate to this. Whenever I've been in spaces to start a dialogue regarding men's issues, immediately we're lambasted for not showing more concern over women's issues, or ridiculed. It's not that "we don't show emotion", it is mostly that we are denied the chance to speak about what we feel in front of women. I bet that hanging out with the boys and talking about the things that are bothering us or have us depressed as we drink or eat whatever is an universal experience. We simply deal with our emotions differently and we need more privacy to do so.
This is all just so sad. It’s like everyone’s in different corners shouting at each other; not hearing anyone else. Everyone seems to be in a different group, pitted against all other groups; or sometimes aligning with another group just enough to drive home an ideological point, then when their ideals no longer match, a new group is developed. It’s like cellular division on an ideological level, but a cancerous one which erodes all of humanity slowly but surely. The Internet made it easier than ever to find people who agree with us or have similar interests, but consequently it’s creating a world where we are so quick to blame others for not thinking and feeling like us. Flame wars, everywhere, all the time. I wonder what the answer is, if there even is one.
‘Blokes are struggling’ ‘yeah but what about the wage gap and sexual assault?’ Did she just make ‘other people have it worse so shut up’ argument and there wondering why blokes don’t say shit 😂
I have several younger brothers. They have all at one point or another told me that the older they get, the harder it is to feel welcome anywhere. Even when they are interacting with other men/boys they feel like their behavior is judged according to the female standard (mocked for roughhousing or any other 'masculine' behavior or hobbies). That a lot of women 40 and under make them feel hated simply for existing; that they worry even I hate them sometimes, because I do have a fear of men (not them, but older/bigger men specifically) and have been verbally bitter about it. I don't know how to help them, and I can't even refute it because some women really DO hate men and really DO see them as subhuman and really DO have no problem saying it loud and proud like these disgusting specimens. It really is an awful time to be a man in western society and anyone who says otherwise is lying or delusional
Ever since "metoo" it's been a literal nightmare. I sometimes have a hard time believing our reality is true because it's so insane and nobody bats an eye. Instead they kick us men while we are lying down.
you have to be free from judgment. and if you are you have to do it internally. there is no reason to hate men. I experienced extreme prejudice from both races that I came from. I was ahead of my time. so I was by myself. I was also good with women which meant I had even more enemies, But my junior year of high school moved again and had to start over. the shit men went through to get women often included attacking me to get them. and one lose to a larger person came with a never ending avalanche of ridicule. What was even weirder was observing the girls behavior. they were animalistic in how they'd use me. they'd go out of their way to get men after me and they'd do everything hoping it'd make me collapse mentally. at one point I gave up. the intensity was so ongoing that nothing in my life ever compared. if taken so much being of both races. But what I endured from women early on made me not even want to look at them. and when they'd approach me i'd let them think I was gay so they wouldn't eventually become a problem. that was until I realized that they manipulate the men around to engage queers. so, that experiment was a once-off. it's impossible to avoid them. But I don't play their game. and I don't the posse thing. because you are right. men can be very judgemental. and I think that has been brought up on by the women in your lives manipulating you to hate each other. you need to be smarter than that. like I said I faced a lot of prejudice. it's what bullies do and women are the worst. they spread hate and they divide families. if anyone should be hated its them.
He went in with the perfect demeanor for a conversation - then got derailed at the earliest chance with the "yeah, but women have it worse". Back to square one
After a lifetime of being fooled into devoting even a single synapse to women's issues, to realize those very same women actively push for apathy towards yours is an easy way to inspire that very same lack of concern in the "more dangerous" sex. Women have caused alot of us to look the other way when *any* misfortune befall them. Thats not even to speak on those who have learned to revel in those instances.
you're acting like most women think this way though when we don't. how is it fair to be apathetic and revel in the misfortune of other people in any way? your apathy towards women is just as bad as those womens apathy towards men, its disgusting. empathy is a trait its vital for all people to have, and if you can throw that away because some feminists are dismissive of mens issues, then your moral compass was very flimsy to begin with.
Women are biologically incapable of caring about Men or Men's feelings. I think it's time we accept that and move on. Trying to get sympathy from a woman is like trying to get sympathy from a python or a lion. They literally can't care about you in that way. It's not evil. It's just NOT in their nature.
Yep. Most mindblowing thing was when I had a conversation about assault and how I was supportive of women, then I asked that they also consider the mental health of men in the statements they were making. Was belittled, gaslighted, and ignored. All I was asking for was healthy, two way exhange, like all good relationships consist of. But that conversation was the nail in a coffin that sure as hell will never be open again. Sometimes people show you what they truly are and it's on you if you don't believe it. They're deadset on having sides and making everyone pick one.
When the Barbie movie came out i stumble on a reddit post on a very popular feminist page that said "is it bad that idc about men feelings? Ok you're depress but women endure much worse so why should I gaf abou!?...." It was just a whole paragraph proudly stating that men don't deserve our empathy... and worse part was that so many women actually agreed! I was shook 😮
Here's my two cents, and it is very short, sweet, and straight to the point. By empowering men to be involved fathers, excellent husbands, contributing members to society, and allowing them to actually be men society as a whole would be improved. Women would be doing better, children would not be involved in gang activity or crimes, businesses and industry would be booming, and we would see the overall economy and security of our communities improve drastically.
I agree 100% with your statement. However, one of the big reasons we won’t see this happen is because the government would lose too much control over how they want to shape society. The government want single parent households because this creates a perpetual dependency on government help. If families are self-sufficient, they don’t need government help and they can decide for themselves what is right.
I feel like the lady who kept bringing up women’s issues even when they addressed how important they still are was just deflecting because she lacked any input on the topic of Men’s issues. It’s weird how her mindset is only how men are an issue instead of some men being the results of systemic issues that people want to change. It’s not some hyper secret technique to remove the validity of women’s issues, they still matter a lot but solving men’s issues has the potential to solve some of the issues women face.
i still dont get how some women constantly complain about abusive men and sexual assault, but somehow dont think therapy for men is important? like the believe these things are intrinsicaly male, and not issues from a bigger problem of repressed rage and unhealed trauma in men and boys, because they were taught emotions are femenine and bad
I see. This is what I didn’t understand either. If certain feminists really believe men cause almost all of womens problems then the solution to womens problems would actually be to help men. But yeah this makes sense they must believe the reason men do these actions towards women are inevitable and helping men would only increase the problem. As expected not much thought going into the topic. Unfortunately people like talking about issues more than they like solving them.
@rinnegan111 The real cause of men (& women - I make no apologies for saying so) who commit sexual assault and abuse is a cycle of violence. A minority of people who are abused go on to abuse others - most don't - and one abuser will almost certainly affect numerous people. Ten abusers can easily traumatise a thousand people, for example. It's not caused by "men" or "masculinity", it's caused by a cycle. However, this blows patriarchy theory out of the water, which is an inconvenience for these incompetent and inept "feminists".
This is so typical of the modern age, a man goes on talking an men issues. So what happens lets bring on women to counter his concerns or just belittle the issues. If women don't want men having an opinion about women's issues then women should have zero opinion in men's issues
I feel for that guy. It was like they went out of there way to prove his point. We are not allowed a seat at the table on these issues. It's that simple
I subscribed some time ago but only lately have I realized how insightful, thoughtful and coherent (smart and knowledgeable) you are. You are now one of my biggest UA-camrs I follow. Stay you, and thank you for what you do.
It would also create more mentally healthy men who are less likely to hurt women. It's not rocket science lol (that was aimed at those who discard men's feelings, not you)
@@lorddj9910 can you tell me why men need women again? Like I am struggling to see any worthwhile reasons at all. Reproduction isn't even worth it because, those ain't my kids no more... It's her's, just like everything else I own the moment I get married.
Thing is women are biologically incapable of caring about men in the first place. So hoping for that is a waste of time. Men are better off just moving on. Trying to get sympathy points from females isn't getting anybody anywhere.
wow so: “Men under the age of 50 die by suicide than any other illness or injury” “ BUT WHAT ABOUT WOMEN?!?!!? 😡😡😡😡” thats INSANE. That woman has issues. Hearing about young men or any group of people dying by suicide and instead of saying “omg thats terrible” or something she HAS to make it about herself? thats so infuriating honestly
It's not insane at all. Women are biologically incapable of caring about Men. This is the reality. If we stop freaking out about it and just accept the facts we'd make a lot more progress.
I love the way both the women on that panel were very dismissive of men's health issues and then one of them said "support us like we support our men" without any hint of irony. By the way, this interview was what sparked off the discussions that led to Lawrence Fox making the comment on GB News that got him sacked. This sort of hypocracy has been evident for years - in a 2015 Commons meeting, Philip Davies MP raised the suggestion that as International Womens Day is marked by a commons debate about issues affecting women, perhaps they could do the same to mark International Men's Day. His response was to be literally laughed at by Jess Phillips, who ridiculed his suggestion by saying that every day in parliament was a discussion on men's issues. I think the problem is that most modern feminists are so engaged in the gender war that they think they cannot afford to give any ground back to men, who are after all their enemies.
That live discussion made me genuinely embarrassed and upset for being a woman. I can't believe these women thought going "but me me me" was the correct answer when speaking about men's suicide rates. Just disgusting.
This is exactly why more and more men just aren't bothering anymore. The logical conclusion of this will be terrible for everyone, of course, but there is a very good reason why fewer men are willing to engage.
At this point there is nothing to be embarrassed about, humans are going to human..... You go sit on a panel with bunch of men and talk about women's issue and see if men won't do the same thing, men and woman are two sides of the same coin...... I never take these debates that seriously cause what's the point, women don't understand men, men don't understand women, and we will never have a freaky Friday moment
Whenever you expect to encounter this, make it personal. Talk about a personal loss due to suicide first. As a woman you're probably aware that female bullies tend to position themselves as victims while painting their target as the only one with agency. This is a power game which only works in a social setting where perceptions matter. It's meant to trigger the protective instinct that's innate in so many of us. The way to diffuse this tactic is to display real pain on your end. If they target you at that point, perceptions wouldn't turn to their favour so they have to hold back. It's more effective for a woman to use, but it still works for men as well. Make it personal first and once they're listening, widen the scope, but once you do that keep it very short to quickly get the point across and then fall back to your personal story. Go from a close relative killing himself due to crushing depression and what it meant to you to thousands of men feeling the same way as him, back to your personal story.
In Australia they have started the Healthy Masculinity Project. But they don't seem overly concerned about boys and their mental health. Only how it affects women, again.
“Men more depressed than ever: How this affects women.” I actually saw that headline in a real article.
Oh no... we might trouble them by expressing emotion and FORCING them to perform.... EMOTIONAL LABOUR! HORROR OF HORRORS!
Proof that Its never about men, even when it is.
Never underestimate a woke feminist's ability to make every situation about them, even when said situation has absolutely NOTHING to do with them.
Same energy as Hillary Clinton saying that women are the primary victims of war because their husbands, fathers, and sons are killed in them
Like that Gayle King panel "men are uncomfortable and nervous to mentor and have a one on one with women in the workplace, so what does this say for us women? ... Well we're in a bad place" 🤦🤦🤦
Him: "I wrote a lighthearted book about men and their odd behaviour."
Her: "Why don't you care about women's issues or take them seriously?"
Their next guest will be an astronaut chastised for not mowing the lawn.
This is essentially the same thing they accuse us of doing when we say "not all men" in reaction to "men are trash".
Not mowing the lawn on the international space station is very irresponsible
Lmfao 😂👍
@@bnsz8704gotta trim that astro turf😂
Women like that need to understand that not everything is about them... even though the exact thing they believe is that everything is about them.
It’s the empathy gap. The people who asked for empathy are unable to be empathetic towards the struggles of others.
Yeah, ideologies tend to attract people like that because they turn not caring about a group marked as the enemy into a virtue.
The word is narcissism
WOKE ACTIVISTS CULTURE WAR.
This is exactly it. Because it was the opposite where “women’s work”’was demeaned and looked down upon. It’s hard. I don’t know the right answer except to be kind and be grateful
There is a book by that name by William Collins and it’s very interesting.
Woman: “Boys are still taught not to talk about their feelings and express themselves”
Same woman: *hijacks the conversation about men’s mental health and starts talking about how it’s a problem for women
It’s so asinine for feminists to claim that emotional repression is why men are committing suicide nowadays. The suicide rate was a lot lower when men were taught to be stoic and to only open up to their wives and close friends
It's annoying women try to tell men what their problems are especially men are trying to express what their problems are
I mean, women had to do laundry during Covid!
It was absolutely infuriating to see him want to talk about issues that men go through, then immediately talk about WOMEN’S issues. It’s like showing up at a fundraiser for prostate cancer awareness and yelling at them for not caring about breast cancer… MADDENING.
Bitch be “womansplaining”
As a woman, I am disgusted by how flippant and derailing these two women are. These are the "toxic women" us women do our best to avoid.
These are most women sadly.
@johnhammink2716its so easy to tell what are you talking about
To the OC, we appreciate you very much.
Also, talking about sexual harassment, like it’s something that only men do
@@GGg-sr3ph That's doomer mindset tbf. Most women are quite ok people, just like most men. And by most I mean like 60-70% or so.
"in the way that women stand by men" she says as she explains why there shouldn't be any male specific policies.
Yep. The fact that they cannot detect such obvious contradictions in their own statements illustrates their inability to be reasonable. I don't know who those women in that panel are but judged on this clip, I will not subscribe to that channel or TV program or whatever it is. There are better options in life, thankfully.
She also said that she has many men in her life (a bunch of family members) and her close friend is a man to show that she is not against men and then started saying shit against men.
It is the same as saying I have many black friends, so I can't be racist. 😆
Yeah this was causing me a head ache just listening to it 😅
@@Signe0184i feel bad for the men in her life. They've probably been invalidated their whole lives by these narcissistic women
@@pyrokatarina maybe they do same as some of oss: don't give a shit about her and her opinion. 😏
I don't think she is narcissistic, rather just vague. She does not challenge her opinions, and she is just repeating statements that she believes in, not necessarily rationalizing them.
I also think that they are attacking the comedian because he is a "conservative" comedian, so no matter what, they must not agree with him. Which is also vague and superficial. 😁
Wow, that was infuriating to watch. As a women I feel, this has got to stop. Its getting ridiculous the victim mentality.
It’s past that. It’s weaponized victimhood.
Feminism has become tainted for good reason. It's no longer about "equality." It truly has devolved into a proverbial tug of war of getting women ahead of men in many aspects.
Incredibly infuriating!! Shameful attitude and response to his comments.
Wowzers!!
How many women are you??!
Good take. The biggest time it will hit people is if/when they have sons or nephews etc.
When there was that big kafuffle after a presenterbwas fired for getting angry after that woman laughed at the mention of rampant soaring suicides among men under 34... I mean... imagine if that was the other way round?? Either round its revolting
I gave up arguing with women about why men don't seek out mental health resources when one I talked to refused to acknowledge the doublethink of "our mental health system is overtaxed and there's significant barriers to entry" and "men are privileged and always get first pick of everything and straight white men have no real problems".
Also, being called "privileged" by a white woman with a stable family who can afford yearly vacations really put things in perspective.
Underrated comment
The hilarious irony of privileged individuals accusing others of being "privileged" is a Grade A display of cognitive dissonance.
@@dylansurendranath3091 it's the complete lack of nuance that gets me.
I acknowledge that, yes, in terms of my appearance, I benefit from certain privileges, but appearance is only part of who I am. I grew up pretty poor in a mostly single parent household and due to being somewhere on the spectrum I was bullied a lot and didn't have many friends (or opportunities to network, develop life skills, etc). Yet, since I'm a ciswhite male, I can just walk into a six figure job and find a wife, apparently.
The same people preach intersectionality without realizing that the same concept applies to everyone, not just those with marginalized racial identities ie there is intersectionality in every person if you drill down enough. That would be like automatically making assumptions about Patience Xina's unique life experience simply due to her skin colour and gender.
There's a video by a UA-camr who goes by Occam's Greatsword about why they actually SHOULDN'T seek help from modern therapists
Your comment makes me want to listen to Bill Burr.
It was infuriating watching her grill him on why he’s not doing enough to prevent sexual harassment while he’s actively agreeing with her that he’d never condone it and is actively against it. Anyway I love your channel.
These two women are downright evil, spiteful and malicious. You cannot be this cruel and unsympathetic to a fellow human's plight.
Hell hath no fury like a woman.... get it? lol
We are villains to w*men by proxy so I guess we should just go for broke and delete them. None of that struggle snuggle, though.
as a woman, those women drove me nuts. Sounded total narcissistic - it's all about me, me, me. Ugh. Men are humans too.
And that is exactly what it is ....narcissism. self centered, ( egotistocal.)
That's the thing - in these ladies' eyes, we aren't really. Feminism ist the radical notion that only women are people after all.
This nonsense that women don't get paid the same. Its ridiculous that they, as women, believe this. The reason why men get paid higher, generally, is because us women don't want to work 90 hours a week, or no holidays, no family time, no me time. There are only a small portion of men that are the top earners. But they also have no life. Most women want to have time off and they also work in portions like we start off working ft then go pt, and then have babies and work around the family...generalizing. There are women that do work in the top but very few. Also, women like all the comforts and not the hard jobs, again generalizing. But if ya want equality of pay then women need to get into the hard jobs like brick laying, building homes, sanitation, large machinery. Women have a lot of rights yet they want special treatment. We already have status quo where only women can apply for the jobs. Basically if you are a white man heterosexual, you get pushed aside for diversity hires.
@@6422022do you know what pay parity is? It’s not the total dollar value you do realise that right?
Here’s the definition: Pay parity is the practice of paying people equitably. This means that those in the same job and location receive fair pay relative to each other regardless of their race, gender, sexuality, or any other identity.
It’s two people working the same job or equivalent jobs not getting paid the same. It could people in the same role or people in comparable roles based on metrics.
Also your “hard physical labour job” is not applicable here because that’s what the metrics are for - comparing the same level of physicality. Example, nursing. It requires a lot of education and training and is incredibly physically demanding, but nurses aren’t paid equitably for their labour compared to equally physically demanding jobs in male dominated industries, often of which require less education and skilled labour and don’t have the same levels of rates like burnout.
So maybe instead of using terms you don’t understand so you can complain, learn first.
@@6422022these entitle women look at top earner men and think it's all rainbow and sunshine. Like you said they failed to see that those men have no life and if they have family the family is messed up.
The women on the panel clearly proved he is 100% correct. They both flipped their talk to be all about women and the last one had the audacity to demand he stand up for women before he speaks about male issues. Ava is full of hostility and hate
I cannot with those hosts. "Men should be able to speak about their feelings and their problems." A man speaks about men's issue. "Ok, well what about women?" My God, both men and women have issues and it's not a "poor me" competition. We should be listening to and supporting each other.
It's toxic masulinity. Not by him, but the women. One of the problems of "toxic masulinity" is that men are supposed to be mentally and physically tough. Those women are basically telling him and other men to quit whining because their problems aren't important. "Be a man and suck it up."
@@BiggieTrismegistusShow weakness to your girl. She'll dry up real quick. It's the whole Titanic thing. Jack dies for Rose. Rose would never die for Jack.
@@treacherousjslither6920 She isn't worth it, then. If the moment you want to confide in your partner, who is supposed to be there for you, they start thinking "this is not what I wanted out of a relationship, ugh" then they're shallow, selfish shitheads.
actually being mentally and physically tough isnt toxic masculine trait it is a masculine trait which is necessary imagine men who wanted save women and children in titanic werent tough all of them wouldv died men that were in titanic afraid of death too they didnt want die as well but thankfully for their toughness at least women and children in that ship lived and saw tomorrow @@BiggieTrismegistus
This is why men need to stop talking about their feelings. Literally no one cares. Thats just the reality of things.
A minister for Men should be created.
If they create a ministry for men, it’ll be a ministry for men’s responsibilities, while the ministry for women will be called “a ministry for women’s rights”.
This reminds me of that Johnny Bravo clip "Enough about you, let’s talk about me"
I watched that debate live. It was very depressing to see a comedian talking about mens mental health being hijacked and the conversation being forced out to yet again prevent talking about men's issues
@@PennyWise-eu9nz I am. What's an issue with being in tune with your own emotions?
@@aster2680sheep alert 😂
@@aster2680He's the child? She's the one who turned the entire conversation around to focus on her issues instead and won't let the man speak lol
@@aster2680And he conceeded that the womens issues are real and tried to say we should help both men and women.
She just brushed it aside with "Yeah but women have it worse, instead of writing a book talking about mens issues, why dont you make a movement that supports womens issues"
He agreed with her, she cried about her issues, clear imbalance of energy.
Imagine if a man went to his wife and said "Hey honey I've been feeling really down lately and am scared I'm having suicidal thoughts" and the wife just goes "Well make sure you keep those in check so you don't hurt or kill me, women are more likely to be killed in a relationship after all," that'd be absolutely insane, yet that's how these women sound discussing this topic
Sorry... why would any man burden his own wife with issues he can't handle?!?!?
Who is SHE supposed to turn to for support?!?!
Would you hand a heavy weight to a CHILD to carry?!?!
And what if you don't have wife or children?!?
@@darrengordon-hillyou are here preaching that husbands and wives shouldn't burden their spouses if they are extremely depressed/suicidal and should instead handle their critical issues themselves? That's your idea of marriage?
@@daveisbrill
Incorrect.
Second time, maybe... you got this...
yeaн...вυт тнaтѕ a legιтιмaтe concern. тнo υ canт coмpare a wιғe carιng aвoυт нer нυѕвand ιѕѕυe тo мen ιn ѕocιeтy eхpecтιng woмen wнo нave noтнιng тo do wιтн тнeм тo вend over вacĸwardѕ тo нelp тнeм ғeel вeттer!?
@@daveisbrill a wιғe ѕнoυld care. вυт тнe ĸιnd oғ reѕponѕe нe geтѕ ғroм нιѕ wιғe wιll largely depend on тнe ĸιnd oғ ιnтerperѕonal relaтιonѕнιp нe нaѕ wιтн нer. ιғ тнe relaтιonѕнιp ιѕ тoхιc already, ѕнe wιll вe тoхιc. ιғ ιтѕ нealтнy, тнen нer reѕponѕe wιll вe нealтнy
"why dont you launch men against sexual harassment" .. are you kidding me? EVERYONE should be against sexual harassment for EVERYONE. a lot of women like to say that sexual harassment, abusive relationships and assault are mainly targeted on women, but i like to think that percentage is close to 50/50; because of the claim women make that "men cant be emotional", this makes MOST men afraid to talk about any type of harassment and abuse because they get shunned. thank you for your videos patience, you really are a star!
In my country if a man decided to report sexual harassment there is high chance that policeman would mock him and ignore that. Same if a guy said that to anyone. "Be a man", "Lol you let woman beat you" would be answers.
While this probably isn't something we'll know for sure, I can agree with you to an extent. A lot of men definitely don't talk about it if they do get abused just because of societal pressures. Though men do tend to be more violent than women, so I think the figures are closer to 60-40.
It is actually close to 50/50. Same with pure DV.
Well, yes and no. If we are talking about general toxic behaviour in a relationship, I am quite sure the percentage is 50/50.
If we are talking about purely physical abuse, I am sorry but it is done mostly by men because
A) they physically can.
B) they are more physically aggressive (testostherone) generally.
I completely agree with the point of this video and I agree we should enforce policies that allows men to search refuge from an abusive partner, BUT let's not deny reality saying that "domestic violence is 50/50".
@@Gabry4777 Actually that isnt accurate. Theres an increase in men " not " abusing women physically for fear of jail, being labelled a wife beater, losing their jobs from the backlash of what the world thinks of them etc. Its that notion that has men actively avoiding physical confrontation with a woman especially in relationships. The percentage of women that abuse men ( without retaliation) is actually about 70% to 75% i think it was. While men abusing women without retaliation is only at about 25% to 30%. What that means is that men are less likely to ( want) to get physical in the first place, even if they are physically abused by a woman. Versus women who are more comfortable with not "holding back" so to speak. Men by in large understand that they shouldnt touch women physically in a confrontation. Thus they are actually less likely to be physical, in that regard, even though they are stronger. Whats really apart of the abuse is ( intent ) to inflict physical harm. Women have men beat there.
When i was younger i was contemplating deleting myself because i thought no one cared about me and that therefore there was no point in trying tk do anything with my life as even my achievements would be ignored or held against me.
I am now happily married to a woman who loves and supports me, and i love and support her. Supporting mens mental health not only saves lives - its genuine motivation for men to support women.
Glad you're still here big man. Take care
I’m happy you’re still here! ^_^
Big up
Man: "Both is important. We should just deal with specifically men's issues at the same time as we deal with specifically women's issues."
Woman: "Well, sexism is ultimatelly bad for men too! "
Me: ???????
This whole interview was wild. Those two women never really answered to anything Jeff was saying, like they were having a different conversation altogether.
They have a set amount of canned talking points that they regurgitate like zombies. They ran into a problem here because none of them were applicable to the discussion but it’s like they were programmed to spout them out regardless.
@@1st_b NPC meme incarnate
It's not as much sexism as it is misogyny vs misandry. So really the quote should be "Well, misogyny is bad for men two!" Sexism can apply to either one, but feminists use it so often the fact that it can apply to men has been largely forgotten
“Men were literally dying during the pandemic due to s**cide”
“Ok but who was doing the laundry??”
@@PennyWise-eu9nz Doesn't matter. Women were being oppressed and marginalised because they were doing laundry and hoovering.
@@PennyWise-eu9nz Because society has been neglecting and demonizing them for decades, whilst removing all support. That's why.
@@Tommo77ful Also forgetting to kiss the feminist ring every hour.
I assume the washing machine literally designed for the purpose.
Give me an example of men doing something like this.
Humans shuold care about each other doesnt matter about gender or sex.
Our society now prizes victimhood over achievement and success. Men - of a certain ethnicity and sexuality - are judged to have never been oppressed or marginalised in any way, shape or form, therefore they are seen as less deserving of compassion. How do we think this will play out?
Screw it, let's just have a gender war. One shall stand, one shall fall. Women want a bad guy? Might as well give them one.
The idea that caring about the mental health of men is bad for women is contradictory, in my opinion. It's essential that we help with men's issues and women's issues because without caring for one of them, we indirectly harm the other. We need mentally-well men if we want to improve the quality of life for women.
I think they understand this to some extent but they have it backwards ie the root of men's issues is "they don't care about women".
@@BB-te8tc It's hilarious how they can actually think this when the reality is that if men didn't care about women we wouldn't have made it out of the stone age. We need each other because human connection is as vital to our survival as water.
Exactly. For example, sexual assaulters are mentally unwell and socially maladjusted men who are too far gone. If we can create a society where there's less of that, it would be better for women as well.
@@emz1412 you’re line of thought is black and white.. caring about someone is not the opposite of continued survival.
Women’s biggest threat to their safety is men, this is on the collective as we’ve essentially eliminated all predators like wild animals. Mosquitoes the only exception for the entire history of our species existence.
The thousand years of historical data and stats really don’t indicate much “caring and nurturing” on the part of men collectively, particularly when you look at the lack of fundamental human and legal rights women fought for and got in the last at most 300 years.
MEN MENTALLY SERIOUSLY TAKE IT
I agree with him. As a mother of 3 daughters, 1 son and being a wife, I hate the thought of my son and partner being told that me and my daughters will always have it worse because of the past oppression that women suffered. I'm not raising victims. We can only give them the tools to be good people, live good lives. I'm very lucky to have 2 AMAZING men in my life as well as my 3 beautiful girls ❤
at least some people are still sane iv got several disabilities and other issues the amount of people who will preach to you that your a victim is insane and the idea that people can be a victim for something that happened 80 years ago and is in the past really annoys me like for example if i was born 50 years ago i woulda been given hot and cold treatment in a mental health asylum and shock therapy this does not mean everyone with my conditions are automatically victims 50 years forward and it really annoys me seeing people on tv no less parroting this victimhood encouragement nonsense.
Nobody ever talks about past male oppression… ppl conveniently forget it was the hard work of great men that ushered in this industrial era that even allows some of them to have a say…
I literally just yelled at my phone screen when that lady at the end said "we need decent men to speak up against sexual harassment." WE LITERALLY DO, ALL THE TIME, YET YOU STILL SCORN US!!! Every time there's a story of a woman getting r@ped, or brutally murdered by a man, & all the men hating feminists start saying "hashtag all men", the decent ones speak up & rightfully acknowledge that not all men are sexual bastards, yet we're STILL scorned for that! Like, you can't have it both ways!
It all comes down to not undermining someone else's experiences and actually genuinely try and understand them. We are more and more lacking of empathy by the day.
Unfortunately a lot of people are dividing society into more and more labels and boxes so we can have an excuse to not feel empathy for the ones who aren't in our box. It's really quite ironic how the need for more labels and representation actually did the opposite and created more reasons for people to drift apart.
@@emz1412 I completely agree. There has never been a time in history where people didn't chastise each other for anything. Back then it was what we know (Racism against blacks, misogyny, prejudice against the disabled, etc). Now everyone chastises you for suppossedly being the one chastising those groups even though you are acting like a normal human being.
@@cherryhazard8002 Yeah. Another problem is the constant rat race of who can be the biggest victim and get the most attention. This is largely a social media problem though and I don't see it going away anytime soon. But hey, at least there's people like you and me who understand that.
@@emz1412I agree with you on that it definitely is a social media problem, and it's a huge competition for it, as if everyone had an easy life except for you. Newsflash, EVERYONE suffers, some definitely suffer less, but it's self involved to think that you deserve special treatment for something as basic like who you are attracted to. Thankfully there are some people that are normal.
@@emz1412 "Labels" are a way to classify people into different tribes.
Humans ARE tribal. Full stop. We (probably) always WILL be... because it serves a necessary purpose... survival, among others.
Don't waste your empathy on those who won't give it in return.
Save it for those who care about you.
That's part of how humans maintain our OWN mental health... which promotes survival. More than that even, it's part of how we identify who is in "our tribe"... and might be there for US when WE need THEM. Again, it's a survival instinct.
So, no, it's not ironic... it's entirely logical and predictable.
as a woman its really nice seeing other women on youtube standing up for men - the comment sections on videos put out by liberal/leftist female yt creators tends to be a den of misandry and ugliness.
In the comments section is pointless and completely ineffectual!
нave υ ever ѕeen тнe coммenт ѕecтιonѕ oғ мanoѕpнere conтenт тнo?
You had me up to yt. Than you kinda echoed their vibe yourself, lol
Yeah it's horrid, there's genuinely an issue in the modern day with men feeling out of place, and it's so hard to find a place that wants to resolve that rather than chastise it or take the full red pill
@@___xoxo___ Any recomendations?
It's important to know both sides are going bad.
One thing that always annoys me is when people bring up the "just teach men not to sexually assault women" argument. As if men are out there just watching their sons grow up harassing women. Men hate rapists just as much as women do, and male friends don't encourage each other to do it. Have they just not heard what happens to people with any kind of sex crime in prison? It's such a ridiculous statement to make that I honestly can't believe so many people still parrot it like it's some kind of end-all genius statement.
An immature fool will say something stupid like that.
Even if you feel there is a rape “culture,” men aren’t out there creating culture, humans are. Misogyny is perpetrated by women perhaps more than men. It’s everyone’s responsibility when there is an overwhelming cultural problem.
(I don’t disagree that there is a tendency to excuse and trivialize rape in the larger world if anyone misenterprets my use of quotations)
If only Ted Bundy was taught not to rape 😅 their argument is heinous
lol don’t we all make jokes about people with sex or violence crimes going to prison and getting their full doses of karma?? i thought we knew most people hate rapists and assaulters, but again extremists and activists are twisting things to fit their perspectives of reality and society, of course.
Every time men's issues are discussed in a public forum of any kind, be it TV, Radio, Reddit, etc, the discussion is immediately re-directed to "yeah, but women...".
Old-boy was making the point that if there are issues affecting men specifically, you can discuss and try to solve those problems *while* also trying to solve women's problems, and the woman next to him immediately pivots to "yeah, but sexism...". You can't reason with these people. They don't even listen to what you say, they're just there to parrot their tired old talking points, like the soundly debunked wage gap.
In fact a lot of women's issues would be solved if men were treated better. Your husband is cold and emotionally distant? Well, where does that come from? Maybe from being abused for a long time?
Of course some issues will also have conflicts of interest. But every solution that massively disadvantages a party will lead to problems down the road.
iv always found when people say we need to solve this issue first because it effects me they always overlook their issue is normally a secondary result like i knew a guy who kept working on a project and it kept imploding for a better term but he actively ignored the main causality of the issue as it was something that didn't directly effect him so he ignored it in till he gave up then someone else with a level head fixed the main issue even tho it was unrelated to him and got the same project done in 1 hour.
the issue with people is they are so self absorbed and selfish basically having main character syndrome were they think the sun orbits them that the idea that someone else's problem can have secondary consequences and those consequences can be for someone else is a alien concept to them.
Women have high degrees of narcissism and psychopathy.
because their selfish greedy asses won't stop ringing the dinner bell for the simps which were all created by mothers who uploaded all that "women are vulnerable" shit in your minds when you're a child.
and when you grow to a young adult your default programing kicks in and you don't even question why you are putting their needs before yours. you just know that it feels so good to go without especially if you are doing for a lady that is starving to death....but it's only now that you realised. they aren't starving. They won't stop asking for shit. feminism started in the 60's that's over sixty years ago. succeeded it's implementation in the 70's and kicked into full swing in the 80's through 90's.... if equality's what they wanted they surely have it. what they want now obviously s slave labor.... Without the penalty of guilt. they want men to willingly submit as if they suffered like slaves.
let's call it what it is... Women are evil. mothers betray their sons daughters have betrayed their fathers. fathers and sons men and boys need to recognize women for what they are. because they won't stop, because that would be admitting they did something wrong.
Him: "Men are dealing with high suicide rates which are being ignored"
Her: "women get harrassed, sexually assaulted etc."
Also Her: "If men get harrassed too, Decent men should say something"
YOU. CAN'T. MAKE. THIS. UP!!!
Agreed, and a decent man IS saying something (on the show) and they aren't listening
And he literally is!!! He’s speaking up about men who have gotten harassed.
The gaslighting is real here.
I know, right??? Like this Olympics to see who has more bad experiences is just CRAZY!
Man: I have prostate cancer and I started a charity to find a way to make sure this doesn't happen to my son.
These women: Women have had breast cancer for years, why not make a charity for this issue?
These women sound like: "why should we care for men when women are suffering too?"
Breast cancer actually gets more charity donations than any other form of cancer too!
@@pyrokatarina Even worse: "why should we care about men when women are not as successful?"
@@maatonne that doesnt even make sense😂
@@pyrokatarina Exactly.
My jaw is actually on the floor. They INVITED a guy who specifically works on men’s mental health and then say that he should focus on telling men not to rape women?!?! Are you fucking kidding? That right there is half the problem.
Exactly. Plus, that whole shtick is quite literally the most naive strawman argument I've ever seen. Like telling people who are warped enough to commit rape to stop is going to be that simple. The more naive thing is that they expect men to know and willingly associate with known rapists in order to catch them out. SMFH😅
Yea "Men wouldn't be having such mental issues if they stopped raping women''.
Look to your left. Now Look to your right. One of these people will be murdered by a man and one of these people will be r@ped by a man. But, I'm a man, I hear you say.... and I have never done those things. Not yet you haven't. In the meantime, why don't you loosen the lids on glass jars, so as not to burden women.
@@joshuaagbettor5610 it's the dora the explorer method of crime prevention
"Swiper, no swiping!"
@@ryder8646😂
Men: "Oh god, I've been stabbed and robbed, please call an ambulance"
Women in that panel: "Yeah... but what have you done for women lately?"
At this point there no point talking to women about men's problem.
I find it funny and sad at the same time. On the one hand ppl will talk about how men don't want to talk about their feelings and worries and they will blame that on toxic masculinity. On the other hand if men want to talk about such things they will often meet with reaction "I want a man, not a cry baby", "You want to steal attention from women's problems", "Men want to be in the spotlight again" etc
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They just ultimately want credit for solving the male mental health crisis without having to actually put in the work.
the blond lady was in Piers Morgan and said she wants men to be afraid so I didnt expect her to be at all sympathetic or come in good faith into the discussion. These rosters are made to have a controversial discussion and good content and therefore was disengenious from the start
If she thinks it's a good idea to ignore men someone will become afraid, but it won't be them. Those millions of pissed off, jaded, and alienated men can easily become a threat to all of society if they decide there's only one way to make their voices heard. History has shown us that.
We never get to be the victims, not even when we’re the victims.
One common example is with false rape accusations, someone always says “the worst part is that this will make it harder for women in the future”. Really? A man’s life is irreparably destroyed for no reason and the WORST part is how his ruination may affect a hypothetical woman in the future?
So true bro, that is annoying, most don’t even “Real reports of sexual assault” like a universal thing for both at the very least, they specifically say female victims like zero actual care that this proven innocent man is done because a woman saw lying in him as EZ.
and нow мυcн мore oғтen r woмen noт вelιeved!? нow мany тιмeѕ r woмen dιѕмιѕѕed aѕ wнoreѕ or accυѕed oғ aѕĸιng ғor ιт wнen ιт нappenѕ and тнey ѕpeaĸ υp!?
@@copperredd holy crap dude you’re doing exactly the thing I’m talking about. We KNOW women have problems, nobody is even disputing or complaining about that. Here I am pointing out something that hurts men specifically and you come out making it about women and taking the spotlight because everything everywhere all the time has to be about women and men should just suck it up and focus on women too
@@sackofclams953 вυт мen r мaĸιng тнιѕ aвoυт woмen вy вrιngιng тнeм ιnтo a dιѕcυѕѕιon тнaт doeѕnт need тнwιr ιnpυт тo вw addreѕѕed....
wнy вrιng υp woмen aт all ιғ all мen need ιѕ ѕυpporт ѕyѕтмeѕ and reѕoυrce poιnтѕ ғor мenтal нealтн aιd тнaт тнey coυld creaтe ғor тнeмѕelveѕ вy тнeмѕelveѕ!?
вrιngιng woмen ιnтo тнιѕ converѕaтιon jυѕт мaĸeѕ ιт ѕeeм aѕ тнo тнey нave ѕoмe ѕorт oғ cυlpaвιlιтy over тнe тнιngѕ тнaт r нappenιng, wнιcн ιѕnт тrυe....
I have literally heard women say "If you don't want to be falsely accused of rape then don't rape"
Women almost never stand by men!
Men are more evolved, they should just innovate alternative means of reproduction and be done with them tbh… enough of hand holding like they’ve done since the beginning of time
That's what happens when a narcissistic society hands the reins to a bunch of sociopathic people
Are you talking about toxic feminists? I feel my country is pretty much run by them.
As a women I thought this discussion was stupid. He couldn't even get his point across. The women on this panel were missing the reason he wrote his book. I was impressed by the fact he didn't walk out after being spoken over so many times.
But you could see that learned helplessness kicking in at the end.
@johnhammink2716 stuff like that might start happening soon. Not saying it's right, but it is understandable.
@@crazypeopleonsunday7864 Yep... they basically red-pilled the guy.
I wonder how much empathy he's going to have, in the future, for those who have no empathy for him.
@@Nyet-Zdyes Hopefully, he can reach the moral high-ground and retain empathy for others, even when unreciprocated. It's a hard climb to reach the high-ground, and it's easy to fall from there, but reaching it leaves you stronger than you were when you started your climb.
@@crazypeopleonsunday7864 Empathy is a limited resource. A person only has so much of it to give.
The women on that panel demand empathy, but offer none. (Ditto, for a heck of a lot more just like them.)
IMO, the REASON for that, is that they think that they deserve it, or that it is somehow OWED to them.
In short, they are spoiled.
Giving them empathy...
It is, at BEST, condoning their behavior.
At worst, it's PERPETUATING their behavior.
Is that the moral high ground?
I agree Patience. The only women that ever point out men's issues are moms and sisters.
No, they don't. Western women do not care period.
@@PennyWise-eu9nzOuch
@@PennyWise-eu9nzyou seem to have a form of ptsd which prevents you from caring an iota about all other humans apart those few in your immediate circle.
Your final sentence comes across as sociopathic.
@@PennyWise-eu9nz I don't particularly care about anyone I know, men or women, doesn't mean the overall state of people's mental health isn't worth discussing. You clearly have some issues if a few bad experiences mean men should have to rely entirely on family for support. You're actually a psycho, saying men who have no family to turn to should just off themselves because it's too inconvenient for you.
I would arguably say that most mothers and sisters only care about their sons or brother issues ,not in large men issues ,which it is what the girl on this channel said which I agree
You gotta love how they proved his entire point and the entire premise of his book within the first two minutes of the "debate".
This is the best exanpke of "womansplaibing" and condescendence I have ever seen.
On public TV.
Men dying. Women most affected.
I honestly think that the idea that men cannot be victims of abuse and women cannot be perpetrators is one of the most destructive fallacies of our time.
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True, but man are the most likely to be perpetrators by much large than woman. They are the ones that when become parents of a daughter start with "man are like this" " I know what man think when they see you" bla bla bla.
And very unequal
Literally the most braindead part of our society. Women will defend abusers if they have the same genitals as them because they’re in some made up war against men. The whole thing needs to be corrected, women need to do better
I'm so tired of people attacking issues that negatively affect more men than women. God forbid someone say, "Hey, we should do something about issue XYZ and how it affects men." Cue the screeching.
oĸ...вυт нow ιѕ тнaт woмwnѕ proвleм!? noвody υѕ ѕayιng мen canт нave мenтal нealтн ѕтrυggleѕ...ιт нappenѕ. вυт вlaмιng woмen ғor ιт ιѕ noт ғaιr.... leт мen мaĸe ѕelғ нelp groυpѕ and ѕυpporт groυpѕ and ѕaғe ѕpaceѕ ғor eacн oтнer. нow вoυт тнaт!?
Then they say “What are you, a men’s rights activist? Men have all the rights!”
@@AutomaticDuck300 Yup. They're awfully predictable.
If any man is claimed as misogynist and without proof gains some sort of traction/following he's immediately canceled from the internet and so on before any verdict is even reached..
But there's lots of content hating on men that's let loose by the same social media companies, it's absurd how the public doesn't notice such a flawed narrative and it's negative influence on men and young boys who face different challenges growing up to be the men they hope to become.
@@bambooboobamb3335 вecaυѕe мale conтenт ιѕ тнe paragon oғ cнιvalry... rιgнт!? 🙄
I felt bad when he starting saying that he didn’t want to sound like he had the violin out. He should have the violin out! Suicide IS a sad topic and it is awful that we can’t talk about it without feeling like we are whining.
I think it's more about him not wanting to be listened to out of pity, but out of respect instead. Although, these ladies seem like their fragile female egos crumble when a man asks for basic respect, and tbh if he used "the violin" to get sympathy...it would've truly made him an easy meal for these social cannibals.
That “debate” was a perfect example of why things are the way they are and there is little hope anything will get better.. They’ve given red and black pill’ers at least a years worth of ammunition. Great job BBC. Great job.
6:28 this is why it's pointless for men to talk about their problems. And it's not that men "can't" cry in public, it's that we know we will be punished for doing so. I learned this when I was very young. A girl/woman crying will elicits sympathy from everyone, while a boy above the age of 11 crying elicits disgust. Men are penalized, specifically by women, for showing weakness, so we don't do it. Or we know to do it in the company of men we trust who won't use it against us in a future fight.
Its so weird how often they mention women when talking about men's issues.
As well as dismissing everything he was saying like it didn’t matter
women do that even without being malicious. They are simply more interested in things that affect them personally than bigger picture topics. This is relected in our college majors, careers, everything. Men look to the horizon for danger, women look within arm's reach for community/family/relationships.
And women wonder why men think they're self-centered and egotistical.
He allowed them to do that because he’s weak. And he thinks that being deferential to women will garner their sympathy.
@@willdegra317 Interesting point
"Men should support women" i agree, but how does supporting women help men with depression and suicide? Do they really think the reason men are depressed and suicidal is because they dont care enough about women? I've gone through depression and it had nothing to do with how i was treating, caring or supporting people and i would be willing to bet it's the same for most men.
yeaн, вυт wнy мaĸe ιт woмen proвleм!? wнo ιѕ ѕтoppιng тнeѕe мen ғroм geттιng тнerapy and нelp!? do woмen вarrιcade тнoѕe oғғιceѕ and reѕoυrceѕ тo ѕтop мen ғroм geттιng нelp!?
Hey. I hope you’re doing ok nowadays.
The reality is this. There is a limited amount of government funds, and these feminist women will be damned if any of it goes to men's issues. That's it. There's nothing deeper than that. They just view the world as "us" (women) vs "them" (men).
No. Men should NOT support women... not women like those on the panel in the interview.
It is very jarring to see someone bring up a male statistic or the male experience and then have someone counter by bringing up a different issue ie 5:30
Everyone likes statistics until it doesn't agree with them
@@jeanie7555 when it comes to feminists they don't even read the statistics, they just make them up in their head and call it a day
Even in an interview talking about men’s issues and mental health, we are still put on the back burner, and they wonder why we don’t talk about our feelings, as a young man I was always told to man up or “just get back on the horse” society always told men to just deal with it and move on, I’ve gone through hell and back to get to where I am now in life, and for the first time I am truly blessed after battling mental/physical health problems, but I remember that first step of asking for help took me years to do as I didn’t want to bother anyone with my problems, but no-matter who you are or what your going through, know that someone cares about you and that you are loved by those around you.
Hey. I hope you’re doing ok out there.
I am very well thankyou, hope you are doing well too. All the best
@@jackmarcus4077 Thanks. ^_^
And likewise!
I said “men committing suicide at alarming rates, women most affected” as a joke about 2 minutes before those women started in. It really didn’t take them long.
"We're not as successful" Lady wth😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah its ridiculous.
Women: "Men need to talk about their feelings and emotions."
Men: "I think..."
Women: "Shut up, it's not about you!"
Did you know, that men are more likely to be in an abusive relationship? A few years ago, my home town announced that it was introducing extra shelters for women fleeing violent marriages, boyfriends, etc, etc. I bring this up as, I myself having been in one abusive relationship myself (she threw boiling water at me, tried to stab me), as this would have not looked, so one-sided, and it is a massive issue that isn't talked about anywhere.
Turns out, it never crossed the council's mind.
I’m so sorry for what you’ve been through. I hope you’re safe and doing ok nowadays.
Pizzy opened the first women's refuge in the late 60s. Her next intention was to open a men's refuge. It was blocked. There still aren't any in England.
Oh man, that's a horrific.
This is very true women can be violent too.
Sounds like Johnny Depp vs. Amber Heard 2.0!😳
One thing I’ve noticed
It’s always the most privileged women that say stuff like this but when it comes to supporting actual issues that are harming women outside of western countries they are silent all of a sudden.
As a non native speaker of English I found it very hard to understand those people when they were speaking fast.. damn
Reasonable man: "Maybe a Men's Minister would be a good idea because often it seems like people don't want to discuss men's issues".
Moronic women: "Nonsense. Anyway enough about that, let's talk about women's issues."
Double standards cause women can talk women's issues without being judged why cant men talk about their issues? :/
Every other ministry are centered around xy . I'm not giving taxes money for that phokery
I’m a young man with depression who occasionally contemplated self deletion however after focusing 100% of my time on women’s issues I was completely healed overnight 🤡🌍
It's sad that we've gotten to a place culturally where to consider the idea of helping men we must first consider women.
I've been seeing this happen for a while. It's things like this that make men think modern women are self-centered, egotistical, and love being able to claim "victim" status. The women speaking obviously believe any problem they have should automatically trump the problems of men. They also don't want to acknowledge that culture is harming men, because _they're_ the ones who get harmed by culture. Being a victim is supposed to belong to them, not to men.
sure, let's see how the modern men will react to being told that they are worthless and that they will have to sacrifice themselves for everyone else and you won't even get a hug in return. I am sure statistics and numbers are not clearly showing that men are slowly checking out of society one by one and adding to the slow crumbling of western societies.@@PennyWise-eu9nz
Isn't that pretty much always how it goes with these types? They ignore an issue, or they downplay it, and then eventually they pretend they were on board with it all along.
It really pisses me off when they do that 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🙄🙄
Don't let them gaslight you
Wow , amazing video , thank you so much for caring about us !!! Most of us feel so freaking alone lately ....
So when the #MeToo movement started up there was actually a second movement called #HimToo were men were trying to also bring attention to the sexism they face in the workplace. As you can guess it was all immediately ridiculed and attacked and shut down before it could ever really get started. There were also men who gave their experience with sexual harassment in the workplace in the me too movement and again they were belittled and harassed and told to shut up because it's not their time. Men do face harassment in the workplace but we have no idea how much because even if they do come forward we tell them to shut up.
When the woman to the right of the screen (Sorry, I don't know who it was) said that male suicide rates were only higher than women's because men were more successful at it, then yes, like Patience, my first response was to laugh, but it actually carries an important message.
A 'successful' suicide attempt is not physically difficult to achieve if you are commited to the idea and I think this feeds into the differing success ratio. Of course what I am about to say is a generalistion and by no means is it true to all cases, but is it not relevant that women are more socially focussed than men?
I have no evidence for it, but it would make sense that female suicide is more often the 'cry for help', attempting to get a problem noticed and dealt with when feeling isolated, whereas men are less likely to see any hope for, or even consider societal help when they cry for attention and being driven to such an attempt is a way out rather than a way back.
Discussions such as the panel talk here, really just reinforce the idea that men are on their own when trying to deal with problems.
As if our “success” is something to be admired. Also probably linked to the manner they attempt it. Most men choose brutal and destructive means meaning it is done in seconds while women choose methods that are cleaner which usually take longer and therefore have a better chance of being saved.
This... is a very sad, but very noteworthy point, which should probably be given closer examination and investigation. (I mean, I'm honestly just commenting to try to get this comment closer to the top of the page. Algorithm or whatnot.) But, seriously, this is a very interesting thought.
I feel like it depends on the sui cide. Method,,
@@saimashupti469the question is about the reason they choose these methods
Well a successful suicide isn't around to try again so that may be why women attempt more. But the two arguments used to minimize male suicide is "women attempt it more" and "men don't express emotion like women - men should try and be more like women".
And the "women attempt it more" has been debunked.
If men’s mental health were better there would be less attacks on women 🤷♀️
This!
Shh, that's too smart for them to understand. Say it like this. We can stop sexual attackers on women by sending all men to a facility bi-weekly where someone with a doctorate degree evaluates them... wink wink.
Wrong. Got little to do with each other... rapists are rapists... and not some guy with depression.
@@Vickzqyou think one day someone gets out of bed and says "i will r***e someone today"? Or could it be that depressed individuals with no support system going deeper and deeper into a dark place end up in a situation where they make a horrible decicion they would not do if their life would be better? In no way i am defending or excusing a r***ists decicion. Understanding the roots of a crime does not mean excusing it.
@@5calambres
Really, you're so dumb? Large majority of such criminals live in quite normal life circumstances... they do that because they _enjoy_ it.
That idea of a _single guy lonely living in a basement_ is a total clownery.
That's exactly why _teach boys not to..._ is kindergarden. Everybody knows it's wrong.
A normal man doesn't do this, depressed or not.
This whole thing just makes me sad. I'm sick of people constantly trying to just silence each other with their own problems. Why is this so damn common? Why do these people never want to listen? Why are there so many of these shitty narcissistic dipshits infiltrating these discussions and making them harder and harder to have?
I think it's the scarcity mindset that Patience mentioned near the end ie "we only have enough time/resources to talk about so much so we should make sure that we make it mostly about women's issues"
@@BB-te8tcI think that is correct. That, and the fact that it was the opposite way for so long (remember, in the entire history of humanity, “might makes right” has been the norm forever. It is hard to not see)
Victim clout. Women have it and they don't want men also have it.
We now prize victimhood, and blokes like Geoff are judged to have never been victims in their lives based on their sex, ethnicity and sexuality. So their problems and issues will never be taken seriously because it's so easy to point to another group and say, "Well things are worse for them." I'm expecting less and less participation and engagement from blokes like Geoff in the coming years. That's when things will get really interesting.
Damn, that woman said she has brothers and a son.
I hope and pray that she will never have to experience her son's trauma, or the consequences of the lack of support he will get for his issues. And that when he does reach that low point, and has to face that decision, he will understand that his mental health and s--de prevention just weren't that important relative to the wage gap, or the harassment that some women have received or will receive in the future.
Women’s position on the victimhood totem pole has to be defended at all costs, even to the point of being blatantly insensitive to, or dismissive of, other people’s suffering. I hope the women on that panel took the time to ponder and regret how cold-hearted they are.
"More men died during COVID than women"
"BuT wE hAd tO dO tHe LaUnDrY!!!!1"
Her making that argument tells you everything you need to know.
They forgot about male victims being abused by other women, & female predator teachers preying on younger male victims. Double standards is part of men's issues.
@johnhammink2716 I already playlisted them on my channel. They're uploaded by other UA-camrs.
@johnhammink2716 Almost forgot, another UA-camr named Itstaytaybaybee proved that women cheat MORE then men in relationships. Even other people on UA-cam talked about that.
I'm getting so sick and tired of someone bringing up something fairly and clearly, like an issue they have, just to have it met with a strawman of "well this issue is happening so yours is invalid!" In my experience feminists and woke people do it so much. You wanna say that it was never confirmed that Gwen Stacy was trans in Spider-Verse? "Yeah well know what, there are LITERALLY laws making it okay to snuff out trans people and I'm literally shaking!!!!" 😑😑
Do these ladies not realize how nice these guys are being by saying "don't get me wrong these issues are still very valid yes!" Like no they don't deserve that if they wanna swerve off topic.
Btw Patience that ad was excellent lmao
I've seen some variation of this conversation for literally decades. It always goes the same way. Well done for seeing through the hypocrisy.
He wrote a book about men and they are discussing women 🤷🏽♂️
I'm honestly starting to give up trying to fight this narrative, sometimes i feel like shutting myself off from most people and just focus on hobbies and career
Don't. Get louder and angrier just like the femists did. We're half the workforce and voter base too
As someone that used to be something of a recluse, I have to say that is the stupidest thing that you could possibly do. Even your favorite things will end up feeling meaningless living like that.
Hey. You doing ok?
That's what the manosphere is for: giving a platform for men to be heard and share. There are event like the XY crew also!
They litterally proved this man's point.
Edit: the older lady reminds me of a feminist that replied to a simple question regarding men and women asked by a man on the street, and her reply was to insinuate that she knew the man was angry and that she would end the conversation there.
We don’t have to talk to thwm
I'm not from the UK, but I can seriously relate to this. Whenever I've been in spaces to start a dialogue regarding men's issues, immediately we're lambasted for not showing more concern over women's issues, or ridiculed. It's not that "we don't show emotion", it is mostly that we are denied the chance to speak about what we feel in front of women. I bet that hanging out with the boys and talking about the things that are bothering us or have us depressed as we drink or eat whatever is an universal experience. We simply deal with our emotions differently and we need more privacy to do so.
This is all just so sad. It’s like everyone’s in different corners shouting at each other; not hearing anyone else. Everyone seems to be in a different group, pitted against all other groups; or sometimes aligning with another group just enough to drive home an ideological point, then when their ideals no longer match, a new group is developed. It’s like cellular division on an ideological level, but a cancerous one which erodes all of humanity slowly but surely.
The Internet made it easier than ever to find people who agree with us or have similar interests, but consequently it’s creating a world where we are so quick to blame others for not thinking and feeling like us. Flame wars, everywhere, all the time.
I wonder what the answer is, if there even is one.
‘Blokes are struggling’ ‘yeah but what about the wage gap and sexual assault?’ Did she just make ‘other people have it worse so shut up’ argument and there wondering why blokes don’t say shit 😂
I have several younger brothers. They have all at one point or another told me that the older they get, the harder it is to feel welcome anywhere. Even when they are interacting with other men/boys they feel like their behavior is judged according to the female standard (mocked for roughhousing or any other 'masculine' behavior or hobbies). That a lot of women 40 and under make them feel hated simply for existing; that they worry even I hate them sometimes, because I do have a fear of men (not them, but older/bigger men specifically) and have been verbally bitter about it. I don't know how to help them, and I can't even refute it because some women really DO hate men and really DO see them as subhuman and really DO have no problem saying it loud and proud like these disgusting specimens. It really is an awful time to be a man in western society and anyone who says otherwise is lying or delusional
Ever since "metoo" it's been a literal nightmare. I sometimes have a hard time believing our reality is true because it's so insane and nobody bats an eye. Instead they kick us men while we are lying down.
Well said.
Cheers 🍻
you have to be free from judgment. and if you are you have to do it internally. there is no reason to hate men. I experienced extreme prejudice from both races that I came from. I was ahead of my time. so I was by myself. I was also good with women which meant I had even more enemies, But my junior year of high school moved again and had to start over. the shit men went through to get women often included attacking me to get them. and one lose to a larger person came with a never ending avalanche of ridicule. What was even weirder was observing the girls behavior.
they were animalistic in how they'd use me. they'd go out of their way to get men after me and they'd do everything hoping it'd make me collapse mentally.
at one point I gave up. the intensity was so ongoing that nothing in my life ever compared. if taken so much being of both races. But what I endured from women early on made me not even want to look at them. and when they'd approach me i'd let them think I was gay so they wouldn't eventually become a problem. that was until I realized that they manipulate the men around to engage queers. so, that experiment was a once-off.
it's impossible to avoid them. But I don't play their game. and I don't the posse thing. because you are right. men can be very judgemental. and I think that has been brought up on by the women in your lives manipulating you to hate each other. you need to be smarter than that. like I said I faced a lot of prejudice. it's what bullies do and women are the worst. they spread hate and they divide families. if anyone should be hated its them.
He went in with the perfect demeanor for a conversation - then got derailed at the earliest chance with the "yeah, but women have it worse".
Back to square one
After a lifetime of being fooled into devoting even a single synapse to women's issues, to realize those very same women actively push for apathy towards yours is an easy way to inspire that very same lack of concern in the "more dangerous" sex.
Women have caused alot of us to look the other way when *any* misfortune befall them. Thats not even to speak on those who have learned to revel in those instances.
you're acting like most women think this way though when we don't. how is it fair to be apathetic and revel in the misfortune of other people in any way? your apathy towards women is just as bad as those womens apathy towards men, its disgusting. empathy is a trait its vital for all people to have, and if you can throw that away because some feminists are dismissive of mens issues, then your moral compass was very flimsy to begin with.
тнaтѕ noт тrυe...wнιcн woмen do υ eхpecт тo ѕнow υp ғor υ wнen υ need нelp...ѕтrangerѕ or ғaмιly!?
ғaмιly ιѕ eхpecтed, вυт even тнen relaтιonѕнιpѕ can вe coмplιcaтed. ѕo oғтen ιтѕ on υѕ тo мaιnтaιn тнe ĸιd oғ connecтιonѕ wιтн oυт loved oneѕ тнaт provιde a coмғorт and ѕυpporт ѕyѕтeм ғor υѕ. нow мany oғ υ мen r вυιldιng тнoѕe wιтн υr ғaмιly мeмвerѕ!?
ғιnally, wнy r υ only ғocυѕιng υr vιтrιol on woмen ғor тнιѕ wнen υ coυld alѕo geт нelp and ѕυpporт ғroм ғaмιly!?
Women are biologically incapable of caring about Men or Men's feelings. I think it's time we accept that and move on. Trying to get sympathy from a woman is like trying to get sympathy from a python or a lion. They literally can't care about you in that way. It's not evil. It's just NOT in their nature.
Yep. Most mindblowing thing was when I had a conversation about assault and how I was supportive of women, then I asked that they also consider the mental health of men in the statements they were making. Was belittled, gaslighted, and ignored.
All I was asking for was healthy, two way exhange, like all good relationships consist of. But that conversation was the nail in a coffin that sure as hell will never be open again. Sometimes people show you what they truly are and it's on you if you don't believe it. They're deadset on having sides and making everyone pick one.
@@jjhh320 wнy вlaмe woмen wнo r clearly тraυмaтιѕed вy мen ғor noт нavιng ѕyмpaтнy ғor мen!?
wнaт нappened тo υ waѕ нorrιвle, вυт aѕѕυмιng тнaт all woмen wιll reacт aѕ negaтιvely тo υr predιcaмenт aѕ woмen υ ĸnow нave вeen тraυмaтιѕed вy мen ιѕ dιѕнoneѕт... тнaтѕ тнe ғιrѕт тнιng...
ѕecond, wнy r υ нoldιng woмen reѕponѕιвle lιĸe тнιѕ wнen υ caмe all тнe way тo woмen тo looĸ ғor coмғorт!?
wнere ιѕ υr reѕenтмenт ғor тнe enтιre мale popυlaтιon ғor noт нoldιng enoυgн ѕpace ғor υ тo тalĸ aвoυт wнaт υve вeen тнrυ!?
υ coυldnт ғιвd ѕpace wιтн υr own gender, ѕo υ wenт eхpecтιng accoммodaтιon ғroм тнe oppoѕιтe gender...вυт noт jυѕт any. мeмвerѕ oғ тнaт gender тнaт нave reaѕon тo нold reѕenтмenт ғorмen, вυт now υ wanna вlaмe all oғ тнeм!?
wнy dιd υ rυn тo woмen ιn тнe ғιrѕт place!? wнere ιѕ υr ѕмoĸe ғor тнe мen wнo dιdnт even gιve υ a cнance тo ѕpeaĸ!? wнy r υ вlaмιng only тнe woмen wнo нeard υ oυт even тнo тнey werenт ѕυpporтιve!?
It just boggles my mind that those women can hear about men's problems, and still think to themselves, 'But what about MEE???'
Classic narcissism.
When the Barbie movie came out i stumble on a reddit post on a very popular feminist page that said "is it bad that idc about men feelings? Ok you're depress but women endure much worse so why should I gaf abou!?...."
It was just a whole paragraph proudly stating that men don't deserve our empathy... and worse part was that so many women actually agreed! I was shook 😮
That’s western women for you
Here's my two cents, and it is very short, sweet, and straight to the point. By empowering men to be involved fathers, excellent husbands, contributing members to society, and allowing them to actually be men society as a whole would be improved. Women would be doing better, children would not be involved in gang activity or crimes, businesses and industry would be booming, and we would see the overall economy and security of our communities improve drastically.
I'll agree with every single point you made. And I'll add a caveat:
We need a new definition of men. We need to highlight all types of positive men
I agree 100% with your statement. However, one of the big reasons we won’t see this happen is because the government would lose too much control over how they want to shape society. The government want single parent households because this creates a perpetual dependency on government help. If families are self-sufficient, they don’t need government help and they can decide for themselves what is right.
I feel like the lady who kept bringing up women’s issues even when they addressed how important they still are was just deflecting because she lacked any input on the topic of Men’s issues. It’s weird how her mindset is only how men are an issue instead of some men being the results of systemic issues that people want to change.
It’s not some hyper secret technique to remove the validity of women’s issues, they still matter a lot but solving men’s issues has the potential to solve some of the issues women face.
i still dont get how some women constantly complain about abusive men and sexual assault, but somehow dont think therapy for men is important? like the believe these things are intrinsicaly male, and not issues from a bigger problem of repressed rage and unhealed trauma in men and boys, because they were taught emotions are femenine and bad
It's because they don't want to admit that there movement has a solution. Cos otherwise they lose their power.
I see. This is what I didn’t understand either. If certain feminists really believe men cause almost all of womens problems then the solution to womens problems would actually be to help men. But yeah this makes sense they must believe the reason men do these actions towards women are inevitable and helping men would only increase the problem. As expected not much thought going into the topic. Unfortunately people like talking about issues more than they like solving them.
@rinnegan111 The real cause of men (& women - I make no apologies for saying so) who commit sexual assault and abuse is a cycle of violence. A minority of people who are abused go on to abuse others - most don't - and one abuser will almost certainly affect numerous people. Ten abusers can easily traumatise a thousand people, for example. It's not caused by "men" or "masculinity", it's caused by a cycle. However, this blows patriarchy theory out of the water, which is an inconvenience for these incompetent and inept "feminists".
This is exactly why men have no business expressing their emotions to women.
This is so typical of the modern age, a man goes on talking an men issues. So what happens lets bring on women to counter his concerns or just belittle the issues. If women don't want men having an opinion about women's issues then women should have zero opinion in men's issues
I feel for that guy. It was like they went out of there way to prove his point. We are not allowed a seat at the table on these issues. It's that simple
I subscribed some time ago but only lately have I realized how insightful, thoughtful and coherent (smart and knowledgeable) you are. You are now one of my biggest UA-camrs I follow. Stay you, and thank you for what you do.
I'd argue that caring for men is good for women, because it shows how much we need each other.
It would also create more mentally healthy men who are less likely to hurt women. It's not rocket science lol (that was aimed at those who discard men's feelings, not you)
The fact that this has to be “argued” even is wild
@@lorddj9910 can you tell me why men need women again?
Like I am struggling to see any worthwhile reasons at all.
Reproduction isn't even worth it because, those ain't my kids no more... It's her's, just like everything else I own the moment I get married.
Thing is women are biologically incapable of caring about men in the first place. So hoping for that is a waste of time. Men are better off just moving on. Trying to get sympathy points from females isn't getting anybody anywhere.
Generally the more care people receive, the more care they are able to give back, so yeah, makes sense
wow so:
“Men under the age of 50 die by suicide than any other illness or injury”
“ BUT WHAT ABOUT WOMEN?!?!!? 😡😡😡😡”
thats INSANE. That woman has issues. Hearing about young men or any group of people dying by suicide and instead of saying “omg thats terrible” or something she HAS to make it about herself? thats so infuriating honestly
It's not insane at all. Women are biologically incapable of caring about Men. This is the reality. If we stop freaking out about it and just accept the facts we'd make a lot more progress.
She is a certified man-hater, that wasn't her first deranged outing.
"the way women stand by men" there are literally tons of tiktoks of women laughing at men's loneliness
I love the way both the women on that panel were very dismissive of men's health issues and then one of them said "support us like we support our men" without any hint of irony.
By the way, this interview was what sparked off the discussions that led to Lawrence Fox making the comment on GB News that got him sacked.
This sort of hypocracy has been evident for years - in a 2015 Commons meeting, Philip Davies MP raised the suggestion that as International Womens Day is marked by a commons debate about issues affecting women, perhaps they could do the same to mark International Men's Day. His response was to be literally laughed at by Jess Phillips, who ridiculed his suggestion by saying that every day in parliament was a discussion on men's issues.
I think the problem is that most modern feminists are so engaged in the gender war that they think they cannot afford to give any ground back to men, who are after all their enemies.
“Men were dying at a higher rate due to covid”
“Well women had to do laundry”
I wish I were making that up
4:20 onward
That live discussion made me genuinely embarrassed and upset for being a woman. I can't believe these women thought going "but me me me" was the correct answer when speaking about men's suicide rates. Just disgusting.
This is exactly why more and more men just aren't bothering anymore. The logical conclusion of this will be terrible for everyone, of course, but there is a very good reason why fewer men are willing to engage.
At this point there is nothing to be embarrassed about, humans are going to human..... You go sit on a panel with bunch of men and talk about women's issue and see if men won't do the same thing, men and woman are two sides of the same coin...... I never take these debates that seriously cause what's the point, women don't understand men, men don't understand women, and we will never have a freaky Friday moment
Whenever you expect to encounter this, make it personal. Talk about a personal loss due to suicide first.
As a woman you're probably aware that female bullies tend to position themselves as victims while painting their target as the only one with agency.
This is a power game which only works in a social setting where perceptions matter. It's meant to trigger the protective instinct that's innate in so many of us.
The way to diffuse this tactic is to display real pain on your end. If they target you at that point, perceptions wouldn't turn to their favour so they have to hold back. It's more effective for a woman to use, but it still works for men as well.
Make it personal first and once they're listening, widen the scope, but once you do that keep it very short to quickly get the point across and then fall back to your personal story. Go from a close relative killing himself due to crushing depression and what it meant to you to thousands of men feeling the same way as him, back to your personal story.
Those women are the true embodiment of modern feminism.
@@Tommo77ful It's good to see someone else who recognizes where this trend is going to go.
And this is why I like your channel. You make actual sense.
So... According to those women:
If a problem affects more women we should help women, if a problem affects more men is a general issue
In Australia they have started the Healthy Masculinity Project. But they don't seem overly concerned about boys and their mental health. Only how it affects women, again.
Oh yeah the men’s behavior council lmao