Thanks LoveMTB, you always provide the most detailed, thorough, component specific content on UA-cam. It can be super confusing trying to decipher all the jargon that bike companies slap on their products, and all the compatibility issues that come with.
I've been running complete M5100 1x11 drivetrain for over a year now with no problems. Very happy for the price. I am so happy with this setup that I purchased another M5100 drivetrain for another build. Didn't realize 620g is heavy for full suspension.
I had a 1X 28T Chainring with an 11-36 cassette. I planned to upgrade to 11-speed when it broke or wore out, but that never happened before I sold the bike. Now with the newer Shimano 12-speed here in the midwest, it is a bit of overkill with our lack of severe elevation, but the range is impressive.
The 5100 is my favorite reasonably priced MTB groupset. Can be easily fitted to most bikes and allows the use of old style casette mounting options.... I like the all steel cassette and the front derailleur with the two chainring crank option.... The rapidfire + shifters are also excellent as is the clutch derailleur that can be fitted with shimano XTR bearing jockey wheels.....😀
Really like the detail you go into-its been very helpful with my builds. I have a FS with the 12 speed hyperglide + and I just recently built up my old hardtail with the 5100 drivetrain and 10-51 cassette. Took a bit of setting up the 11s derailleur but only difference I notice compared to 12s is the gear ratios being slightly different and the gear shifting on 12s being smoother especially down gears.
I take the M5100 and saw the 51t off. This gives me a 450g 10 speed cassette with 11 speed spacing and I can use my old XT 11 speed shifter and rear derailleur and it’s 1/2 the price. And since it’s all steel last longer as I use this on an ebike. Just adjust the limit screw to not over shift.
The largest cogs on the spider on the m5100 are hg+, you can use a 12s hg+ chain and have spectacular shifting on your 11sp setup. Also spend the extra bit of money and get m8000 shifter. They are much nicer all around.
I run all the cheaper all steel 11spd on my ebike. Maybe I'll do link glide soon but I like cross compatibility. These videos are great. Shimano doesn't explain nearly as much as they used to. Thanks
I chose 11 speed for budget reasons and amazingly, I managed to find all the pieces from multiple shops. I watched a youtube video by Sickbiker and he convinced me :) It's also strange that microspline wheels seems to be cheaper/go on special more than std HG wheels. I also based my upgrades on your Marlin video too.
I've been using my Deore m5100 groupset for almost 2 years and still good as when it came in. Really had no bad things to say about the groupset other than it's really heavy specially the cassette.
I love the M5100 drivetrains. Very high bang for your buck. Been running mine for 2 years now, build my first "budget" HT with it. Now upgraded to a fully privateer 141 frame and just swapped the drivetrain over, which is still functioning great. Never had a need for the 12s or going for sram (just yet).
Hi, nice review again. When it comes to compatibility between older 11s RDs and this cassette, I can tell that this cassette is absolutely compatible with XT RD M8000 SGS. I have 1x11 setup on my old genius with XT M8000 SGS and M5100 11-51 cassette and it works great without any additional derelleur hanger like goat link etc. I also have 1x12 setup on my new bike and I did not notice any diffrence when it comes to shifting performance. So, this cassette and XT M8000 SGS works great together. PS: have a nice day/night gays...
I pieced together a m5100 drivetrain second hand with near new takeoff parts. It was very cheap and I love the increased range compared to my hardtails Deore 10 speed. The cassette is very heavy though, so I’m considering a Garbaruk 11 speed cassette which is half the weight.
I've been running the microspline 12s 10-52 Garbaruk cassette on the rest of my XT/XTR drivetrains. Lighter and more durable than XTR. Also I bought mine for less than $230. XT cassettes are not much cheaper. It shifts about 90% as well as a full HG+ drivetrain and as well as a full eagle drivetrain. I cannot complain.
Thanks again. When I watched your review of the Sunrace, I was thinking of buying it since my wheels have the old freehub body but I was concerned about chain drop when you pedal backwards but this video just provided the information I needed so now I will be buying the Deore 11 speed and not the Sunrace 11-50
I've read that the m5100 and m6100 derailleurs are basically interchangeable. I know from experience that the M6100 can be used on 11 and 10 spd wide range casettes with a corresponding shifter, but never tested whether the m5100 actually works with a 12 spd. Interestingly, at OEM pricing the two are nearly identical in price.
I wonder to what degree these options are being reshaped by Box and microshift. I switched to the advent-x and havent looked back. its not perfect but plenty good for me. Thanks to LoveMTB i might consider this Shimano option next time. great to see an Advent-X review on the channel sometime. Sorry if I missed it.
Great video as always and that red Prone looks very nice I must say. I would consider the M5100 as an upgrade or even if building new. It depends on what application the bike is going to be used. As a daily rider light trails/paved paths I think the M5100;series would rock. Take care and good riding.
@@LoveMTB oh for sure did 40km yesterday on the Uxbridge to Lindsay Railroad Trail . The Prone just ate it up such a good choice of frame thanks so much to the suggestion.
This casette is really nice in terms of shifting and wear. But obviously hardatil use only. It so heavy that will affect on suspension, especially on high speed bumps. BTW XT 11speed is the best drivetrain ever made. Cost/wear/shifing and weight, just superb.
@@yoavmiller216 I prefer to swap front chainring if I'm going to big mountains. I have mechanical XX1 12s now and I miss a lot of shimano's crisp shifting in any conditions.
@@alexdi1367 260g xx1 vs 409g 11-42 XT for 1/3 price. Lifetime same for xt and xx1. If cost is not an issue - xx1 AXS. Will upgrade next year for this.
Love your channel! Thanks a lot! Just to be perfectly correct HG+ cassette does not require HG+ chain. It worgs great with KMC or SRAM chains. HG+ Shimano chain gives more, but is not required
Use to run OneUp 50T conversion with the older 11-46 T cassette, with the older 11 sp derailleur and shifter and it worked fine. The same was true for a Sunrace 11 -50 11sp cassette, thus it would likely work ok with the the Shimano 11- 51 T 11sp as well, but the industry is driving consumerism. It would be a worth while test to see if it work if you have older derailleur lying about and if so how it differs with shifting quality from the new offering.
Hay boss you might want to update the info where you say the cassette is not compatible with older generations 11s shimano derailleurs. They're absolutely compatible with the longer cage SGS. I'm using the 5100 cassette with the 11speed XT SGS rear derailleur as do a lot of others. And it works absolutely fine
Fine is relative. 47T capacity on that derailleur (plenty, even for FS bikes with chain growth), but the geometry assumes a 46T max sprocket. You need more B-screw to clear 51T, which degrades shifting in the lower gears.
There's a Sunrace 11-51 that's about $15 less than M5100. Doesn't have the new shift ramps on the largest sprockets, but in use, it feels the same. M5100 and shifter are $60 on AE. SRAM 1110 chain is $15. Sunrace cassette is $60. Nice 1X Shimano HT2-compatible cranks with SRAM GXP chainring are about $50 on AE. So you could do an entire 1X wide-range conversion for under $200.
Loving your videos-so sharp and that flow chart brings sense to the complexity now with matching!!! Do I understand right that a M5120 derailleur has a max 46t compatibilty, and in changing from 10 to 11 speed an 11 speed chain is a necessity?
Buen video con mucha informacion util como siempre. !!!. Tengo un cambio XT de 11 velocidades de pata larga y funciona perfectamente con cassette 11-50, si son de pata larga pueden funcionar con los nuevos cassettes. Respecto al Deore M 5100 me parece perfecto para actualizar sin tener que cambiar nucleo . Enhorabuena por el canal
This is a nice review! I have a 650b gravel with 10 spd 11-46t casette with a 38t chainring. I'm thinking of upgrading it to this video of yours. Would it be possible? The upgrade kit has the shimano 11s chain, 11-51t cogs, 11s shifters and m5100 rd. I'll be keeping the 38t front chainring tho.
hay love mtb I want to build a system consisting of an cassette 11-speed deor clutch with a 12-speed dérailleur slx, an 11-speed chain, and a 12-speed Chianwell crank with an 11-speed shifter. My question is, does this system work well?
I precisely did that a while ago: I had a 1x11 SLX drivetrain, changed the cassette and the derailleur (I did put an SLX just for the matching and because I want to move on to 1x12 SLX eventually) and everything else works, so smoothly it seems like it's made for it. Because it's 11 speed, parts are cheaper (which allows me to save to eventually move to 1x12), the bigger range at the big cog allowed me to put a bigger chainring and that also allowed me to gain better top speed while pedaling without losing range for the steep climbs, it's all good for a few more grams, which also makes it more durable in the long run.
@@LoveMTB totally, even if it's the same brand it's great to see everything working fine despite is not meant to be together 😅 helps to enjoy some of the benefits of the new components while saving in the process 😁
Thanks a ton for this video! Quick question if I may. Let's say you start off with 11speed 11-51t cassette. If you don't then need the easier gears, can you switch to 11speed 11-42t cassette? Or will there be compatibility issues. More specifically, going from M5100 cassette to M8000 11-42t cassette.
Cool cassette. Still running 11-50 with M8000 GS. Tempted by 12s, just because the 15 to 18 jump is freaking annoying. CS-M5100 has the same gradation. Maybe CS-LG600-11 would be a rational choice. Not sure about the compatibility.
Well, with the announcement of the new Shimano CUES groupset today, the Deore M5100 groupset will be eventually discontinued. The new CUES groupset will use LINKGLIDE technology, making it incompatible with any current Shimano 11 speed system that already isn't LINKGLIDE. Enjoy your affordable, sensible, functional, and durable Deore M5100 system while you can, before it disappears.
Sorry I'm a bit late. I'm in a bit of a weird boat: Currently using SRAM Eagle NX shifters & derailleur with an 11-speed 11-42 tooth cassette. I can haz M5100? I am constantly double-shifting to skip unneeded gears & last gear arrives too soon on the flat\downhill. I would like larger shift increments! I'm not sure whether the stock NX derailleur will handle the height of an 11-51 tooth M5100 cassette? Do I really need a longer cage?
@@LoveMTB That's why I asked! Yes, I'm planning to swap to a larger chainring: Would like to do an ultrawide ratio cassette at that time, in order to avoid losing the reduction in climbing gears. The climbing gears are already right where I want them, cadence-wise, but I want a _lot_ bigger chainring to get more top end out of that minimum 11t rear. With a significantly larger chainring, a comparably taller rear is required to keep near the same ratio in the climbing gears. I'm used to riding 3×10-speed MTBs even around the city, &
Cues will work well with CUES stuff, if you want to revamp anything and work well replacechain/cassette/derailleur and shifter, CUES is cheap!@@prophetzarquon1922
11 or 12 - I probably could live with 5 gears it is the range that matters for a 1x11 gotta have at least a 46. A 10 tooth for speed would be nice - perhaps more so if it were on my road bike (downhill with the wind) - hard to say if I would ever go that fast off road and I'm just trying to breath new life into an old Stumpjumper! A little confusing regarding the derailleur handling the 51t so looking forward to part 3.
Kinda wish I didn’t bother with XT M8100 after Shimano announced M5100, more so now with Shimano releasing Linkglide etc. They haven’t done anything with Microspline since. I’m sure they’re working on stuff, but seems like you’re tied into high end stuff now. No cheap bike parts from Germany in the UK now after Brexit and price increases. M5100 would’ve been fine for me. I’d already just purchased XT though when they announced. I have the Shimano MT410B rear hub so can’t easily swap back with a different freehub? Unless Shimano have one which is compatible. Too much hassle getting the wheel built with the old hub
I can't wait to convert my 1x9 Deore 26er to a full XT 1x11, complete with Shimano XT M8100 derailleur 🤤 (but with this Deore cassette LOL, they don’t make XT 11s cassette 11-51… the most they make is 11-46 😅😂) also I’m going to recycle my old XT 12s chain LMAO (seems like it’s compatible with 11s too hahahahaha) I rather use 11s than 12 only because I want everything Shimano, including cassette, but they only make it for Microspline…
Yes but that is the old tech from Shimano that takes care of smooth shifting to easier gears. HG+ the new tech takes care of shifting to harder gears/ smaller cogs
Great videos. I have a old 3x9 XT and am considering converting it to 1x11 or a 1x12, but I have not found any mentioned if I can get a hyperglide free hub to it. Its an Shimano FH-M525 rear hub (not A) hub. Do you know?
I have a 2008 specialized stumpjumper fsr comp. Sram drivetrain. Shimano slx front derailleur. 3x9 speed. The front derailleur bolt that holds the cable tension isn’t original ( how I got the bike) so it’s acting up. Been considering a 1x system. Since it’s a 26” I would hope that the 46t would be enough? Or would the 51(?) still be a better option? Would the extra rotating mass really affect the rear that much? Thanks in advance for your response. Thank you for the informative video.
Nice Video as always, I am thinking about upgrading my 11-42 11 speed Cassette to this Deore M5100 11-51T. I currently have a setup of 1x11 Shimano Deore XT M-8000 11 Speed Setup (Shimano XT RD-M8000 11SP Rear Derailleur GS Cage, Medium Cage, XT SL-M8000 11 Speed Shifter Rear Shifter, 11 Speed, CN-HG701 QL 11 Speed Chain 11 Speed, 126 Links, Quick Link, XT CS-M8000 11 Speed Cassette 11-42T, 11 Speed) I will going to buy the WOLF TOOTH GOAT LINK 11SPEED Extender to accommodate the Rear Derailleur GS, Would this Shimano M5100 11-51T or the SUNRACE CSMX80 11-50T SPEED CASSETTE will it FIT or compatible with my current setup. Need a Professional advice like yourself. Thanks again.
@@LoveMTB so If I buy the SHIMANO XT RD-M8000 11SP REAR DERAILLEUR SGS/Long cage, that will solve and work with my current setup and no need for the Goatlink?
sorry. Can I use the SHIMANO XT RD-M8000 11SP REAR DERAILLEUR SGS/Long cage for this M5100 11-51T cassette? I don't want to downgrade my Derailleur. I hope this make sense.
@@LoveMTB true. I have tried NX. The real letdown was the flexing of the NX rear mech. Crazy that the GX rear mech is only $20 more and substantially stiffer.
i wonder what proportion of users actually use the 10 or 11 sp cog and how often... i bet they could prob start the range at 12 or 14t.. but, then sram started the marketing nonsense of x% range being important
What is the reason (other than the ability to use a 10t cog) Shimano changed their 12sp MTB freehubs, then? BTW Fortunately, they haven't changed the road 12sp freehub too much so I hope the future 12sp gravel groups will start with 11t as well.
@@LoveMTB I do not know the hard-core MTB specifics, however, as a gravel rider for the last few years (and just a bike rider for more than thirty years before the nameplate was "invented" ;) I, more than anything, appreciate that my cassettes start with the 11-12-13-(14/15)-(16/17)-... cogs, and - for my needs - the range requirements are still better served by the 2x setup. However, the 12sp cassette with one tooth jumps as above and 44t on the largest cog should, in the future, work pretty well too.
@@LoveMTBI will have been riding my current setup to the day Shimano stops offering quality spare parts. If it sounds old school, well - “it’s not [only] the years. It’s the mileage [too].” ;)
Does the M5100 derailleur work with old 11s shifters? Either Shimano M7000-M9000 shifters or SRAM GX/NX 11s? If this works it might be an easy range upgrade for existing bikes.
Do you know how I can resolve a problem with chainslap? I got the 5100 cassette, right chain with the right length, 5100 derailleur, but slx 7000 series crank and shifter and I had perfect shifting with no chainslap. Then I pushed my derailleur against a stone slightly and since then shifting hasn't been able to be set up perfectly and chainslap has occured... I propably need to straighten my derailleur hanger, right?
Very nice video as always informative, I could use some help here, I swapped my drive train 11 speed to 12 speed , ordered all parts online and received them except the cassette, I didn't want to change my hub so I ordered garbaruk cassette from Germany and thought it would come soon and sold my old drive train and kept the cassette on the bike, now I am desperate of riding 1 speed only 😅 so I searched and found out that sprocket spacer for 12 speed shimano cassette is 0.95 mm , my question is can I cut my 11 speed cassette spacers to 0.95 mm and have 4 sprockets spacing same as 12 speed cassette ? Thanks again keep it up 👍
@@LoveMTB appreciate the answer. I am on a budget thats why I sold the old drive train. I stay in the middle East ( Bahrain 🇧🇭 ) and try to assemble by myself and was afraid that sprocket thickness of 11 speed cassettes is not same as 12 speed , will give it a try as I have some spare spacers
Thank you very much for the informative videos! Would it be possible to combine theese m5100 cassetes with MT210-2 (alivio) 30-46T crankset? İf yes, what chain would I need to use?
@@LoveMTB yes, exactly. I have noticed that grx chainrings are basically the same with alivio and are paired with 11 speed cassettes. I am very new to this so correct me if I am wrong. Thanks a lot for your input.
Can you tell me if the derailleur from the m5100 series can work with a 12 m7100 cassette, and will the cranks from this series be compatible with a 12 m7100 cassette?
I have a brand new GT with 5100 casette, when I start pedaling the whole drivetrain makes a metalic noise click clack noise like if someothing is loose...do you know what possible be wrong with the bike?
I hesitated to buy this 11-51t of shimano since it has issues ragrding its spider rivets that loosen up in the long run they say that it was na issues/problems from the first batch but since I always ordered online I don't have assurance If I'll get the 1/2nd batch so I chose sunrace instead
I’ll stick with SRAM cassettes can’t stand how Shimano mixes so many different materials on their higher end cassette SRAM x01 and XX1 cassette is a work of art!!
Dumb & dumber the increase from 10 speed to 11 or 12 is nominal for most MTB's with chains being thinner & therefore weaker compared to 10 speed marketing rules or form over function I would suggest - with the high cost of chains I know what I will be sticking with!
thanks for the awesome review.. great content as always. btw do you think there is a chance shimano will introduce its microspline and hyperglide+ to the 11speed drivetrain in the future?
Thanks LoveMTB, you always provide the most detailed, thorough, component specific content on UA-cam. It can be super confusing trying to decipher all the jargon that bike companies slap on their products, and all the compatibility issues that come with.
I've been running complete M5100 1x11 drivetrain for over a year now with no problems. Very happy for the price. I am so happy with this setup that I purchased another M5100 drivetrain for another build. Didn't realize 620g is heavy for full suspension.
Thank you shimano for making me see the light and go ss! Never can forget you enough
I did an upgrade to the Sunrace cassette when I went to 1x12 and it’s been working great.
I had a 1X 28T Chainring with an 11-36 cassette. I planned to upgrade to 11-speed when it broke or wore out, but that never happened before I sold the bike. Now with the newer Shimano 12-speed here in the midwest, it is a bit of overkill with our lack of severe elevation, but the range is impressive.
The 5100 is my favorite reasonably priced MTB groupset.
Can be easily fitted to most bikes and allows the use of old style casette mounting options....
I like the all steel cassette and the front derailleur with the two chainring crank option....
The rapidfire + shifters are also excellent as is the clutch derailleur that can be fitted with shimano XTR bearing jockey wheels.....😀
That's great to hear
about the xtr pulley option.
Really like the detail you go into-its been very helpful with my builds. I have a FS with the 12 speed hyperglide + and I just recently built up my old hardtail with the 5100 drivetrain and 10-51 cassette. Took a bit of setting up the 11s derailleur but only difference I notice compared to 12s is the gear ratios being slightly different and the gear shifting on 12s being smoother especially down gears.
Despite 11 speed deore has better gear distribution. It's also better than SX and NX which are garbage imho.
Decent SRAM drivetrains start with GX
I take the M5100 and saw the 51t off.
This gives me a 450g 10 speed cassette with 11 speed spacing and I can use my old XT 11 speed shifter and rear derailleur and it’s 1/2 the price. And since it’s all steel last longer as I use this on an ebike.
Just adjust the limit screw to not over shift.
The largest cogs on the spider on the m5100 are hg+, you can use a 12s hg+ chain and have spectacular shifting on your 11sp setup.
Also spend the extra bit of money and get m8000 shifter. They are much nicer all around.
I find the M8000 shifter to harsh. M7000 is feels much better.
@@elononoras1902 slx is mushy tho and only shift one gear at a time when going to smaller cogs.
I run all the cheaper all steel 11spd on my ebike. Maybe I'll do link glide soon but I like cross compatibility. These videos are great. Shimano doesn't explain nearly as much as they used to. Thanks
I’d like to add Wolf Tooth makes the Goatlink 11 for extended capacity cassette allowing you to keep your old derailleur!
I chose 11 speed for budget reasons and amazingly, I managed to find all the pieces from multiple shops. I watched a youtube video by Sickbiker and he convinced me :) It's also strange that microspline wheels seems to be cheaper/go on special more than std HG wheels. I also based my upgrades on your Marlin video too.
I've been using my Deore m5100 groupset for almost 2 years and still good as when it came in. Really had no bad things to say about the groupset other than it's really heavy specially the cassette.
I love the M5100 drivetrains. Very high bang for your buck. Been running mine for 2 years now, build my first "budget" HT with it. Now upgraded to a fully privateer 141 frame and just swapped the drivetrain over, which is still functioning great. Never had a need for the 12s or going for sram (just yet).
Hi, nice review again. When it comes to compatibility between older 11s RDs and this cassette, I can tell that this cassette is absolutely compatible with XT RD M8000 SGS. I have 1x11 setup on my old genius with XT M8000 SGS and M5100 11-51 cassette and it works great without any additional derelleur hanger like goat link etc. I also have 1x12 setup on my new bike and I did not notice any diffrence when it comes to shifting performance. So, this cassette and XT M8000 SGS works great together. PS: have a nice day/night gays...
I doubt it. It will work but it will be too far away from cogs on small cogs which will be a problem at high power output
I pieced together a m5100 drivetrain second hand with near new takeoff parts. It was very cheap and I love the increased range compared to my hardtails Deore 10 speed.
The cassette is very heavy though, so I’m considering a Garbaruk 11 speed cassette which is half the weight.
I've been running the microspline 12s 10-52 Garbaruk cassette on the rest of my XT/XTR drivetrains. Lighter and more durable than XTR. Also I bought mine for less than $230. XT cassettes are not much cheaper. It shifts about 90% as well as a full HG+ drivetrain and as well as a full eagle drivetrain. I cannot complain.
Thanks again. When I watched your review of the Sunrace, I was thinking of buying it since my wheels have the old freehub body but I was concerned about chain drop when you pedal backwards but this video just provided the information I needed so now I will be buying the Deore 11 speed and not the Sunrace 11-50
I've read that the m5100 and m6100 derailleurs are basically interchangeable. I know from experience that the M6100 can be used on 11 and 10 spd wide range casettes with a corresponding shifter, but never tested whether the m5100 actually works with a 12 spd. Interestingly, at OEM pricing the two are nearly identical in price.
No, sadlly it won't work because the 6100 is micro-spline
I wonder to what degree these options are being reshaped by Box and microshift. I switched to the advent-x and havent looked back. its not perfect but plenty good for me. Thanks to LoveMTB i might consider this Shimano option next time. great to see an Advent-X review on the channel sometime. Sorry if I missed it.
Great video as always and that red Prone looks very nice I must say. I would consider the M5100 as an upgrade or even if building new. It depends on what application the bike is going to be used. As a daily rider light trails/paved paths I think the M5100;series would rock. Take care and good riding.
@@LoveMTB oh for sure did 40km yesterday on the Uxbridge to Lindsay Railroad Trail . The Prone just ate it up such a good choice of frame thanks so much to the suggestion.
This casette is really nice in terms of shifting and wear. But obviously hardatil use only. It so heavy that will affect on suspension, especially on high speed bumps. BTW XT 11speed is the best drivetrain ever made. Cost/wear/shifing and weight, just superb.
Just had a look at it, and saw that it's biggest cog on offer is a 46. Not big enough for us meer mortals on some climbs, unfortunately.
@@yoavmiller216 I prefer to swap front chainring if I'm going to big mountains. I have mechanical XX1 12s now and I miss a lot of shimano's crisp shifting in any conditions.
Would argue 260g XX1 10-42 is the best if you care about suspension response.
@@alexdi1367 260g xx1 vs 409g 11-42 XT for 1/3 price. Lifetime same for xt and xx1. If cost is not an issue - xx1 AXS. Will upgrade next year for this.
Love your channel! Thanks a lot!
Just to be perfectly correct
HG+ cassette does not require HG+ chain. It worgs great with KMC or SRAM chains. HG+ Shimano chain gives more, but is not required
@@LoveMTB Stock components for example. They just put it to save the price
Gracias por el aporte. Personalmente, me inclino por el de 12V 10-51. Felicidades por el vídeo.
Use to run OneUp 50T conversion with the older 11-46 T cassette, with the older 11 sp derailleur and shifter and it worked fine. The same was true for a Sunrace 11 -50 11sp cassette, thus it would likely work ok with the the Shimano 11- 51 T 11sp as well, but the industry is driving consumerism. It would be a worth while test to see if it work if you have older derailleur lying about and if so how it differs with shifting quality from the new offering.
The video title is wrong, should say 11-51 rather than 10-51.
Hay boss you might want to update the info where you say the cassette is not compatible with older generations 11s shimano derailleurs. They're absolutely compatible with the longer cage SGS. I'm using the 5100 cassette with the 11speed XT SGS rear derailleur as do a lot of others. And it works absolutely fine
Fine is relative. 47T capacity on that derailleur (plenty, even for FS bikes with chain growth), but the geometry assumes a 46T max sprocket. You need more B-screw to clear 51T, which degrades shifting in the lower gears.
There's a Sunrace 11-51 that's about $15 less than M5100. Doesn't have the new shift ramps on the largest sprockets, but in use, it feels the same. M5100 and shifter are $60 on AE. SRAM 1110 chain is $15. Sunrace cassette is $60. Nice 1X Shimano HT2-compatible cranks with SRAM GXP chainring are about $50 on AE. So you could do an entire 1X wide-range conversion for under $200.
Loving your videos-so sharp and that flow chart brings sense to the complexity now with matching!!! Do I understand right that a M5120 derailleur has a max 46t compatibilty, and in changing from 10 to 11 speed an 11 speed chain is a necessity?
Thanks!
Definitely need an 11s chain and 5120 is for 2x only, What are you trying to do?
Buen video con mucha informacion util como siempre. !!!. Tengo un cambio XT de 11 velocidades de pata larga y funciona perfectamente con cassette 11-50, si son de pata larga pueden funcionar con los nuevos cassettes. Respecto al Deore M 5100 me parece perfecto para actualizar sin tener que cambiar nucleo . Enhorabuena por el canal
This is a nice review! I have a 650b gravel with 10 spd 11-46t casette with a 38t chainring. I'm thinking of upgrading it to this video of yours. Would it be possible? The upgrade kit has the shimano 11s chain, 11-51t cogs, 11s shifters and m5100 rd. I'll be keeping the 38t front chainring tho.
hay love mtb I want to build a system consisting of an cassette 11-speed deor clutch with a 12-speed dérailleur slx, an 11-speed chain, and a 12-speed Chianwell crank with an 11-speed shifter. My question is, does this system work well?
Gracias por todo el trabajo, ha sido una información muy interesante.
De nada
I precisely did that a while ago: I had a 1x11 SLX drivetrain, changed the cassette and the derailleur (I did put an SLX just for the matching and because I want to move on to 1x12 SLX eventually) and everything else works, so smoothly it seems like it's made for it. Because it's 11 speed, parts are cheaper (which allows me to save to eventually move to 1x12), the bigger range at the big cog allowed me to put a bigger chainring and that also allowed me to gain better top speed while pedaling without losing range for the steep climbs, it's all good for a few more grams, which also makes it more durable in the long run.
@@LoveMTB totally, even if it's the same brand it's great to see everything working fine despite is not meant to be together 😅 helps to enjoy some of the benefits of the new components while saving in the process 😁
Thanks a ton for this video! Quick question if I may. Let's say you start off with 11speed 11-51t cassette. If you don't then need the easier gears, can you switch to 11speed 11-42t cassette? Or will there be compatibility issues.
More specifically, going from M5100 cassette to M8000 11-42t cassette.
@@LoveMTB, shouldn't be. Chain is sized for the bottom sprocket. 11T on both. RD cage just won't extend as far forward in the biggest.
You mentioned from the cues video that it will replace the deore line, is m5100 one of them?
Yeas all but the 12s M6100
Cool cassette. Still running 11-50 with M8000 GS. Tempted by 12s, just because the 15 to 18 jump is freaking annoying. CS-M5100 has the same gradation.
Maybe CS-LG600-11 would be a rational choice. Not sure about the compatibility.
Well, with the announcement of the new Shimano CUES groupset today, the Deore M5100 groupset will be eventually discontinued. The new CUES groupset will use LINKGLIDE technology, making it incompatible with any current Shimano 11 speed system that already isn't LINKGLIDE. Enjoy your affordable, sensible, functional, and durable Deore M5100 system while you can, before it disappears.
Sorry I'm a bit late.
I'm in a bit of a weird boat: Currently using SRAM Eagle NX shifters & derailleur with an 11-speed 11-42 tooth cassette.
I can haz M5100?
I am constantly double-shifting to skip unneeded gears & last gear arrives too soon on the flat\downhill. I would like larger shift increments!
I'm not sure whether the stock NX derailleur will handle the height of an 11-51 tooth M5100 cassette? Do I really need a longer cage?
“Last gear arrive too soon” can be solved with a bigger chainring. Otherwise look at CUES 10 speed? My last videos covers CUES
@@LoveMTB That's why I asked! Yes, I'm planning to swap to a larger chainring: Would like to do an ultrawide ratio cassette at that time, in order to avoid losing the reduction in climbing gears.
The climbing gears are already right where I want them, cadence-wise, but I want a _lot_ bigger chainring to get more top end out of that minimum 11t rear. With a significantly larger chainring, a comparably taller rear is required to keep near the same ratio in the climbing gears.
I'm used to riding 3×10-speed MTBs even around the city, &
Cues will work well with CUES stuff, if you want to revamp anything and work well replacechain/cassette/derailleur and shifter, CUES is cheap!@@prophetzarquon1922
11 or 12 - I probably could live with 5 gears it is the range that matters for a 1x11 gotta have at least a 46. A 10 tooth for speed would be nice - perhaps more so if it were on my road bike (downhill with the wind) - hard to say if I would ever go that fast off road and I'm just trying to breath new life into an old Stumpjumper! A little confusing regarding the derailleur handling the 51t so looking forward to part 3.
Kinda wish I didn’t bother with XT M8100 after Shimano announced M5100, more so now with Shimano releasing Linkglide etc.
They haven’t done anything with Microspline since. I’m sure they’re working on stuff, but seems like you’re tied into high end stuff now. No cheap bike parts from Germany in the UK now after Brexit and price increases.
M5100 would’ve been fine for me. I’d already just purchased XT though when they announced.
I have the Shimano MT410B rear hub so can’t easily swap back with a different freehub? Unless Shimano have one which is compatible. Too much hassle getting the wheel built with the old hub
Very good video, the shimano rear M6100 deareller combines with shimano cassete 5100 11-51v right?
You sure an SLX RD-M7000-GS can't swallow it?
Some people do it, it doesn’t live up to my high standards though 😎
I suggest choosing deore 12speed an take a sunrace 11-50 cassette. I made the same but i took Sram gx and a Sunrace cassette
Rd m8100 will work with m5100 and m8000shifter correctly?
Yes!
How can I know if this is comparable with polygon d5?
Check my video on Freehub compatibility, this needs a standard HG freehub.
I can't wait to convert my 1x9 Deore 26er to a full XT 1x11, complete with Shimano XT M8100 derailleur 🤤 (but with this Deore cassette LOL, they don’t make XT 11s cassette 11-51… the most they make is 11-46 😅😂) also I’m going to recycle my old XT 12s chain LMAO (seems like it’s compatible with 11s too hahahahaha)
I rather use 11s than 12 only because I want everything Shimano, including cassette, but they only make it for Microspline…
Make a video using m5100 derailleur in 12 speed drivetrains please.
on a 27.5 what cog should be paired with the 11speed 11-51t?
32T?
Can you review a M4100 cassette? Thank you LoveMTB!!!
Great video, thanks! Does the 11-speed 5100 cassette need a 1.85mm spacer when installing on a HG freehub please? Thank you!
So let me ask what does the HG stands for on the m5100 cassette? Is it hyper glide? Thank you.
Yes but that is the old tech from Shimano that takes care of smooth shifting to easier gears. HG+ the new tech takes care of shifting to harder gears/ smaller cogs
Great videos. I have a old 3x9 XT and am considering converting it to 1x11 or a 1x12, but I have not found any mentioned if I can get a hyperglide free hub to it. Its an Shimano FH-M525 rear hub (not A) hub. Do you know?
I have a 2008 specialized stumpjumper fsr comp. Sram drivetrain. Shimano slx front derailleur. 3x9 speed. The front derailleur bolt that holds the cable tension isn’t original ( how I got the bike) so it’s acting up. Been considering a 1x system. Since it’s a 26” I would hope that the 46t would be enough? Or would the 51(?) still be a better option? Would the extra rotating mass really affect the rear that much? Thanks in advance for your response. Thank you for the informative video.
Nice Video as always, I am thinking about upgrading my 11-42 11 speed Cassette to this Deore M5100 11-51T. I currently have a setup of 1x11 Shimano Deore XT M-8000 11 Speed Setup (Shimano XT RD-M8000 11SP Rear Derailleur GS Cage, Medium Cage, XT SL-M8000 11 Speed Shifter Rear Shifter, 11 Speed, CN-HG701 QL 11 Speed Chain 11 Speed, 126 Links, Quick Link, XT CS-M8000 11 Speed Cassette 11-42T, 11 Speed) I will going to buy the WOLF TOOTH GOAT LINK 11SPEED Extender to accommodate the Rear Derailleur GS, Would this Shimano M5100 11-51T or the SUNRACE CSMX80 11-50T SPEED CASSETTE will it FIT or compatible with my current setup. Need a Professional advice like yourself. Thanks again.
Hey there I would consider buying the new derailleur and call it a day. No need for the Goatlink
@@LoveMTB so If I buy the SHIMANO XT RD-M8000 11SP REAR DERAILLEUR SGS/Long cage, that will solve and work with my current setup and no need for the Goatlink?
@@Moto_Rid3r Did not say that. Get the M5100 deraileur for the wide range cassette.
@@LoveMTB I just bought the XT M-8000 Rear Derailleur SGS Long Cage. Is this going to work or Do I really need to get the M5100?
sorry. Can I use the SHIMANO XT RD-M8000 11SP REAR DERAILLEUR SGS/Long cage for this M5100 11-51T cassette? I don't want to downgrade my Derailleur. I hope this make sense.
Entry level deore 12 spd is superior to NX in shifting quality and gear ratio. Suggest using slx chain m7100 with deore.
@@LoveMTB true. I have tried NX. The real letdown was the flexing of the NX rear mech. Crazy that the GX rear mech is only $20 more and substantially stiffer.
Great video. Will the 11 speed cassette 11-51 fit on a standard 35 mm freehub body?
You mean original Shimano HG freehub?
@@LoveMTB Yes.
@@LoveMTB I previously had 2x8 and want to convert to 1x11 without changing the freehub body.
@@bourne71 Yes, check this out - ua-cam.com/video/b1xdpA1fa-E/v-deo.html
And this - ua-cam.com/video/uB0-a0khOvY/v-deo.html
The part 1 video is private. Is this intentional?
Let me double check it shouldn’t be. 🙏
Back to public thanks again 🙏
i wonder what proportion of users actually use the 10 or 11 sp cog and how often... i bet they could prob start the range at 12 or 14t.. but, then sram started the marketing nonsense of x% range being important
What is the reason (other than the ability to use a 10t cog) Shimano changed their 12sp MTB freehubs, then?
BTW
Fortunately, they haven't changed the road 12sp freehub too much so I hope the future 12sp gravel groups will start with 11t as well.
@@LoveMTB I do not know the hard-core MTB specifics, however, as a gravel rider for the last few years (and just a bike rider for more than thirty years before the nameplate was "invented" ;) I, more than anything, appreciate that my cassettes start with the 11-12-13-(14/15)-(16/17)-... cogs, and - for my needs - the range requirements are still better served by the 2x setup.
However, the 12sp cassette with one tooth jumps as above and 44t on the largest cog should, in the future, work pretty well too.
@@LoveMTBI will have been riding my current setup to the day Shimano stops offering quality spare parts.
If it sounds old school, well - “it’s not [only] the years. It’s the mileage [too].” ;)
Does the M5100 derailleur work with old 11s shifters?
Either Shimano M7000-M9000 shifters or SRAM GX/NX 11s?
If this works it might be an easy range upgrade for existing bikes.
Is there any alternative with this? With same 11 speed and 50t atleast but lighter at a reasonable price.
many says the old m8000 sgs able to swallow 11-51 .... but haven’t seen with my own eyes 😀
Do you know how I can resolve a problem with chainslap? I got the 5100 cassette, right chain with the right length, 5100 derailleur, but slx 7000 series crank and shifter and I had perfect shifting with no chainslap. Then I pushed my derailleur against a stone slightly and since then shifting hasn't been able to be set up perfectly and chainslap has occured... I propably need to straighten my derailleur hanger, right?
Is there a big deference between m6100 chain and m7100?
Is the M5100 derailleur (together with the 11-52t cassette) compatible with an existing SLX 11-speed shifter (M7000, still has I-Spec II)
Very nice video as always informative, I could use some help here, I swapped my drive train 11 speed to 12 speed , ordered all parts online and received them except the cassette, I didn't want to change my hub so I ordered garbaruk cassette from Germany and thought it would come soon and sold my old drive train and kept the cassette on the bike, now I am desperate of riding 1 speed only 😅 so I searched and found out that sprocket spacer for 12 speed shimano cassette is 0.95 mm , my question is can I cut my 11 speed cassette spacers to 0.95 mm and have 4 sprockets spacing same as 12 speed cassette ? Thanks again keep it up 👍
@@LoveMTB appreciate the answer. I am on a budget thats why I sold the old drive train. I stay in the middle East ( Bahrain 🇧🇭 ) and try to assemble by myself and was afraid that sprocket thickness of 11 speed cassettes is not same as 12 speed , will give it a try as I have some spare spacers
Thank you very much for the informative videos! Would it be possible to combine theese m5100 cassetes with MT210-2 (alivio) 30-46T crankset? İf yes, what chain would I need to use?
@@LoveMTB yes, exactly. I have noticed that grx chainrings are basically the same with alivio and are paired with 11 speed cassettes. I am very new to this so correct me if I am wrong. Thanks a lot for your input.
Can you tell me if the derailleur from the m5100 series can work with a 12 m7100 cassette, and will the cranks from this series be compatible with a 12 m7100 cassette?
i hope well see a Garbaruk cassette in the future 😊
@@LoveMTB Nice 😁
I have a brand new GT with 5100 casette, when I start pedaling the whole drivetrain makes a metalic noise click clack noise like if someothing is loose...do you know what possible be wrong with the bike?
I hesitated to buy this 11-51t of shimano since it has issues ragrding its spider rivets that loosen up in the long run they say that it was na issues/problems from the first batch but since I always ordered online I don't have assurance If I'll get the 1/2nd batch so I chose sunrace instead
ua-cam.com/video/kCQNgGjOZgs/v-deo.html here's the link
@@LoveMTB ❤️
Can you do a XT M8000 CAGE SWAP With XT M8100 Cage, what would it do can it work to accommodate 11 51 Cassette.. just Curious
@@LoveMTB just wanting to try to change my XT M8000 SGS Cage to a XT M8100 SGS Cage if it can have a good shifting heheh
muchas gracias por los subtítulos para la gente de Latinoamérica saludes
Too bad that it needs the long cage, otherwise it looks very promising.
I'm now confused. Do these cassettes have to use a Hypaglide freehub or must they have a micro spline freehub?
@@LoveMTB Standard is the HG (Hyperglide) then?
I’ll stick with SRAM cassettes can’t stand how Shimano mixes so many different materials on their higher end cassette SRAM x01 and XX1 cassette is a work of art!!
Which cassette is more durable compared to an SLX or XT 11 speed cassette?
@@LoveMTB medium and high cogs
@@LoveMTB 34 teeth with 11-42 cassette (m5100)
can you use sram eagle rear d with gx 11 speed shifter?
Where can I get replacement cogs for the cs5100 cassette? Specifically the 11t.
Sunrace makes last 3 cogs kits for both Shimano and SRAM, check them out
Just wanna ask sir if you can use m5100 Rd +m6100 shifter on ah 12 speed cassette? Could it work?
Sir is there any issue in shifting performance?, Thanks for your time sir
Can I use a 11speed shifter and 12speed rd on a 11 speed 11-51t cassette?
yes.
Sir what material of the lock ring cassette?
@@LoveMTB thank you sir
@@LoveMTB I'm planning to upgrade to deore m5100 2x11 11-51t cassette in my bike can be possible?
@@ark_daemon8888 11-42 tooth is the maximum size cassette with a Deore M5100 2x drivetrain.
Best buget. 🥇👍
Lol sunrace 11 speed 11-50 lightly for 100 gr
A no-brainer, really.
If it wasn't dicontinued because of CUES...
@@LoveMTB Sorry, discontinued? CUES? I don't understand...
@@chacmool2581 check my latest videos on Shimano CUES
@@LoveMTB Ok...but I just bought this exact cogset a couple of days ago, and there is no shortage here in SEAsia.
Got it. Still replaced by CUES going forward.@@chacmool2581
Dumb & dumber the increase from 10 speed to 11 or 12 is nominal for most MTB's with chains being thinner & therefore weaker compared to 10 speed marketing rules or form over function I would suggest - with the high cost of chains I know what I will be sticking with!
Man, the old cassette is criminally ugly compared to the new one 😅
💯
thanks for the awesome review.. great content as always. btw do you think there is a chance shimano will introduce its microspline and hyperglide+ to the 11speed drivetrain in the future?
If only there was a decent xd driver compatible 11 speed 10-46 tooth cassette.