oh, I SEE(s) now using the no multi-resist element rule to your path by using the repel to knock her down under 9999 hp to finish her off with Armageddon after using Endure intelligent play
Great strat! I’m trying to recreate it but with easy mode Orpheus Telos. I made one before but it was not a good build for Elizabeth. So time for me to grind up some money and build a new ice build thanks to you! Thanks!
That is sadly not possible. This is the absolute limit of no DLC lowest turns. As it needs Elizabeth to use Surt to work (Ergo, King and I would need to be stalled by one turn. And so, will only hit 5 turns at best). She takes double damage when you hit the opposite element of the persona she uses last (fire-ice, elec-wind, light-dark). Personally, I would call this property "Vulnerabilities". This was a property that's with her and is exploited since the original version of the fight. And it adds another effect in Reload specifically. It also skips the next persona she will usually use if the vulnerability is not hit. As an example, if you use ice against Surt in the first phase, she will skip Jack Frost and will instead use Thor next. Assuming it doesn't knock her to 2nd phase. This is a tad more complex when we hit 3rd phase and no one mapped that out accurately yet. Also, Goemon King and I will literally do 11K damage.
do you think you could do a thanatos only run? not gonna ask you to do another 5 turn run with him cause mutating skills sucks but would love to see makotos coolest canon persona pop off!
Do you need the Theurgy fortune to pull this off? I randomly got Magic Mastery on Skadi and tried to recreate the strat, but I’m not able to charge Armageddon in time to skip the Diarahan
@bainz could you elaborate on how to reach 8.9k damage with King & I? I have 99 on all stats, same setup, same persona skills, and i do less than half the damage you do.
Do you have Magic Mastery? If so, should be the same if on Merciless, though 8.9k is a bit of a high roll. I have the shuffle time card that lets me start with Concentrate here, that may be it
@@syreldar Just either the Rank 11 or 12 Cups Shuffle Time card, Rank 11 gives MC Charge/Conc next battle, Rank 12 is for the whole team. Oh and for MC to get their Theurgy this fast, they need Soul Fortune from Club Escapade
I'm seeing your run now, and no I just took tips from my community based on what I tried in my last video. I can credit you in the description as the first one to do it? These low turn strats are bound to end up fairly similar in the end, I didn't mean to bite your vid
@@bainzHaha... Considering your reach, I think it's more likely that I'm the one going to be called a copy in this case. Might be too late. I do recall posting a video of me doing my Armageddonless run in your comments section last time, so I thought you found that and saw this strategy from that avenue. I apologize if that sounded accusatory. I meant it more in an inquisitive manner. Please do put it in regardless. Thank you.
@@bothdoorscares3878 No, you deserve to be known as the first one to use the strats! I've put your vids in both my Elizabeth runs now. Whenever I've used strats that someone else has used before, I've always tried to credit them properly. I hope you find it satisfactory. I'll make sure to look online more next time I do something like this, and credit first if there's something already out there
Im trying out this strat but i keep dying because my theurgy gauge is always one turn short from being filled up. How did you get your theurgy gauge to fill up so fast? Thanks for the guide btw
Both are available from Sword 8 shuffle time cards. Resist Elec is also available from the Antique store, but I don't believe Resist Dark is there. I happened to have some and duplicated at shrine
@@bainz Oh nice thanks, I’m in desperate ned if them for my orpheus only merciless run lol, first tine in my life I actually died to the hermit boss. Plus anything with mudoon just guaranteed wipes me
@@bainzThanks for the info. I created a Persona for this strat now that I'm about to finish, but found that King and I did not put her within repel range on its own, so had to replace 1 Rakunda with a damaging ability. Most I ever did was 8.6k. Is getting over 8.8k just a roll? I have all the relevant boosters. I've uploaded my run, just not sure why I couldn't do enough damage with just the Theurgy.
Yeah, 8.8k is a bit of high roll. I think the highest one I saw was a bit over 9k. So here I just had to reset a bit for that roll. But I saw you got your run regardless, nice job!
High Rarity skills like Almighty Boost can mutate to Magic Mastery but your best bet to have the highest chance is to have a persona with Magic Ability and spam fuse until it’s made. Issue is that it is non transferable so if you want say an Orpheus Telos with it you’d have to transfer Magic ability on someone then register them and then save scum until it mutates into Magic Mastery. Note that Magic Ability and Mastery can stack iirc but there’s diminishing returns by having both them and the Elemental Boost + Amp skills on the same person
@@browserjunior4707the boost cap is 5x. And that is only achievable when you throw Drivers into the mix. All boosts including Mastery but not Driver will net you 4.1x boost roughly.
Uhhh, I think that Theurgies with other persona's shouldn't count. Like I'm not trying to be annoying or anything but you're technically "using" a different persona.
It is largely impossible to beat the fight without any Theurgia used. Unless the difficulty is toned down and DLC is allowed. I really do wish Theurgias were not a requirement to beat the fight though. Looking into using the personas that are part of the Theurgias that can allow a win, it is largely impossible to solo using them. Black Frost nulls Fire so he's instantly out from the first turn. King Frost nulls Ice so he's out in the first turn of 3rd phase. Satan repels Ice so same deal as King Frost. And Helel is out because he drains Light and that will take him out at the 3rd turn of 3rd phase. Theoretically Scarlet Havoc can also result in a win but that margin of error required is very low. Even if it's achievable, Mithras drains Fire so same deal as Black Frost. And Siegfried nulls Light so same deal as Helel.
Neat point issue is regardless of a use X persona only it is almost impossible to beat Elizabeth with theurgies cause of her condition’s the moment you get her down to a certain percent specifically her last 9000 plus hp you have to go for Armageddon or she’ll kill you with pixe megidolaon
BothDoorsCares was the first person to do a run like this, check out their vid too! ua-cam.com/video/AiWL0zKLZ7Q/v-deo.html
its my headcanon that when liz uses megidolaon with pixie that she's specifically using uberpixie for it
Nice job! King and I supremacy :)
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oh, I SEE(s) now
using the no multi-resist element rule to your path by using the repel to knock her down under 9999 hp to finish her off with Armageddon after using Endure
intelligent play
I love how you specifically broke the rule of repelling an attack to make her do an instant Megidolaon just so that you can go and finish her off.
Great strat! I’m trying to recreate it but with easy mode Orpheus Telos. I made one before but it was not a good build for Elizabeth. So time for me to grind up some money and build a new ice build thanks to you! Thanks!
Wow! This is insane 😮.nicely done🔥
well, I'll be damned very nice
2:22 HE JUST USED FUUKA'S THEURGY WYF
phase 2 is guaranteed to do this after i believe the second(?) turn she's in phase 2
Awesome
It's funny how the strat doesmt work on other difficulties because her God's hand doesn't deal enough damage
having magic mastery is wild. how long did you take? i gave up after 1 hour lmao
Imagine a 4 Turn run but instead of Armageddon you just nuke Elizabeth with Goemon's King and I
That is sadly not possible. This is the absolute limit of no DLC lowest turns. As it needs Elizabeth to use Surt to work (Ergo, King and I would need to be stalled by one turn. And so, will only hit 5 turns at best). She takes double damage when you hit the opposite element of the persona she uses last (fire-ice, elec-wind, light-dark). Personally, I would call this property "Vulnerabilities".
This was a property that's with her and is exploited since the original version of the fight. And it adds another effect in Reload specifically. It also skips the next persona she will usually use if the vulnerability is not hit. As an example, if you use ice against Surt in the first phase, she will skip Jack Frost and will instead use Thor next. Assuming it doesn't knock her to 2nd phase. This is a tad more complex when we hit 3rd phase and no one mapped that out accurately yet.
Also, Goemon King and I will literally do 11K damage.
@@bothdoorscares3878 I forgor about the doubled dmg, nevermind then
@@tuvieeclipsat the very least, it allows a run without Armageddon used. And is 100% consistent in doing a quick kill.
do you think you could do a thanatos only run? not gonna ask you to do another 5 turn run with him cause mutating skills sucks but would love to see makotos coolest canon persona pop off!
is there any RNG when it comes to how fast your theurgy charges? it never charges in 3 for me, even with the soul fortune
There is a skill csrd that charges theurgy faster if I recall correctly
Any advice for getting magic mastery? i've been trying to get it for days, but magic ability at all doesn't want to mutate
i've heard people report it mutating from Heat Riser and Spell Master.
Why do you have multi target boost? Is it just for the Theurgy attack?
This may be a dumb question, but are thergy skills boosted by the active persona? Does Ice Amp boost King and I? Because that’s a lot of damage 😵💫
Yea, any passives on your equipped Persona will affect Theurgy
This is good shit build, didn't know that king and i scale on persona stat. does it scale on magic and luck more?
Do you need the Theurgy fortune to pull this off? I randomly got Magic Mastery on Skadi and tried to recreate the strat, but I’m not able to charge Armageddon in time to skip the Diarahan
Yea, you need Soul Fortune. Using Fuuka Theurgy also recharges MC gauge
Rip for those who fight her for 7 hour 😂
@bainz could you elaborate on how to reach 8.9k damage with King & I? I have 99 on all stats, same setup, same persona skills, and i do less than half the damage you do.
Do you have Magic Mastery? If so, should be the same if on Merciless, though 8.9k is a bit of a high roll. I have the shuffle time card that lets me start with Concentrate here, that may be it
@@bainz I completely forgot about the shuffle cards, that was it for sure. Which ones were you using? The relevant ones.
@@syreldar Just either the Rank 11 or 12 Cups Shuffle Time card, Rank 11 gives MC Charge/Conc next battle, Rank 12 is for the whole team. Oh and for MC to get their Theurgy this fast, they need Soul Fortune from Club Escapade
@@bainz tysm
Did you copy my 5 turn kill no DLC strategy, by any chance?
I'm seeing your run now, and no I just took tips from my community based on what I tried in my last video. I can credit you in the description as the first one to do it? These low turn strats are bound to end up fairly similar in the end, I didn't mean to bite your vid
@@bainzHaha...
Considering your reach, I think it's more likely that I'm the one going to be called a copy in this case. Might be too late.
I do recall posting a video of me doing my Armageddonless run in your comments section last time, so I thought you found that and saw this strategy from that avenue. I apologize if that sounded accusatory. I meant it more in an inquisitive manner.
Please do put it in regardless. Thank you.
@@bothdoorscares3878 No, you deserve to be known as the first one to use the strats! I've put your vids in both my Elizabeth runs now. Whenever I've used strats that someone else has used before, I've always tried to credit them properly. I hope you find it satisfactory. I'll make sure to look online more next time I do something like this, and credit first if there's something already out there
wouldnt it be stronger with single target boost instead? diamond dust is a single target massive bufu attack?
Didn't need to use diamond dust in the run. Multi-Target was for King and I
so for this strat since u didn’t actually use diamond dust then ig it would be okay if it mutates into magic mastery?
Yea that would be fine, as you only use the Theurgy
@@bainz thx for the reply…beat her yesterday after mutating for 3 hours and finally got mastery from diamond dust…what are the odds
Im trying out this strat but i keep dying because my theurgy gauge is always one turn short from being filled up. How did you get your theurgy gauge to fill up so fast? Thanks for the guide btw
Soul Fortune from Club Escapade
Ditto. Despite buying the Soul Fortune from Club Escapade, my Theurgy guage is always one turn short as well. Bummer.
How did you get the resist elec and resist dark skill cards? Just shuffle time farming?
Both are available from Sword 8 shuffle time cards. Resist Elec is also available from the Antique store, but I don't believe Resist Dark is there. I happened to have some and duplicated at shrine
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Oh nice thanks, I’m in desperate ned if them for my orpheus only merciless run lol, first tine in my life I actually died to the hermit boss. Plus anything with mudoon just guaranteed wipes me
How does your Theurgy bar fill so quickly? I'm only in October but 3 turns seems really quick.
Soul Fortune from Club Escapade, and using Fuuka's Theurgy also fills your own gauge
@@bainzThanks for the info. I created a Persona for this strat now that I'm about to finish, but found that King and I did not put her within repel range on its own, so had to replace 1 Rakunda with a damaging ability. Most I ever did was 8.6k. Is getting over 8.8k just a roll? I have all the relevant boosters. I've uploaded my run, just not sure why I couldn't do enough damage with just the Theurgy.
Yeah, 8.8k is a bit of high roll. I think the highest one I saw was a bit over 9k. So here I just had to reset a bit for that roll. But I saw you got your run regardless, nice job!
Isn’t diamond dust single target? Or is MT boost for theurgies?
I think it’s for theirgies yeah
High counter messed me up from the start and she use megidolaon after lol toxic
yo what is that melee weapon?
Carved from the husk of satin after being defeated by Micheal
What skill did you have that mutated into magic mastery? Nice run btw
High Rarity skills like Almighty Boost can mutate to Magic Mastery but your best bet to have the highest chance is to have a persona with Magic Ability and spam fuse until it’s made. Issue is that it is non transferable so if you want say an Orpheus Telos with it you’d have to transfer Magic ability on someone then register them and then save scum until it mutates into Magic Mastery. Note that Magic Ability and Mastery can stack iirc but there’s diminishing returns by having both them and the Elemental Boost + Amp skills on the same person
@@browserjunior4707the boost cap is 5x. And that is only achievable when you throw Drivers into the mix. All boosts including Mastery but not Driver will net you 4.1x boost roughly.
@@browserjunior4707As far as i know magic ability can not mutate though. Are there someone get magic mastery through magic ability that mutated?
Quick question: Why 'Endure' and not 'Enduring Soul'?
He had an armor with enduring soul and endure as a skill
How are you doing 5k damage with king and I and im only doing 500 lol
welp this is patched in the new update, tough
nvm i was just doing way 2 much damage so she skipped & healed herself
Uhhh, I think that Theurgies with other persona's shouldn't count. Like I'm not trying to be annoying or anything but you're technically "using" a different persona.
It is largely impossible to beat the fight without any Theurgia used. Unless the difficulty is toned down and DLC is allowed. I really do wish Theurgias were not a requirement to beat the fight though.
Looking into using the personas that are part of the Theurgias that can allow a win, it is largely impossible to solo using them. Black Frost nulls Fire so he's instantly out from the first turn. King Frost nulls Ice so he's out in the first turn of 3rd phase. Satan repels Ice so same deal as King Frost. And Helel is out because he drains Light and that will take him out at the 3rd turn of 3rd phase.
Theoretically Scarlet Havoc can also result in a win but that margin of error required is very low. Even if it's achievable, Mithras drains Fire so same deal as Black Frost. And Siegfried nulls Light so same deal as Helel.
Neat point issue is regardless of a use X persona only it is almost impossible to beat Elizabeth with theurgies cause of her condition’s the moment you get her down to a certain percent specifically her last 9000 plus hp you have to go for Armageddon or she’ll kill you with pixe megidolaon
This is the most dumb boss that I saw on a videogame
Nah Joker fight in episode Aigis are way more bs than Elizabeth. he has too many unwritten rules.
Now do it on hard….
Bruh this was on Merciless difficulty.