A word to the wise, be sure to budget for a UPS when you purchase a NAS (as I sit here with no power, thought I would throw that in). Mine shuts down the NAS immediately, to save power for the cable modem and router.
Love your videos. But please talk about the capability to host PLEX or JellyFin. Not knowing NAS hardware very well, I purchased a WD-EX4100 a few years ago and quickly found it it could not host PLEX very well. All I need is network shared RAID backup storage and a PLEX server. Which of these, or any others that you are aware of, would be a cost effective way to address these two issues without spending a fortune? Thanks.
Glad to see the F4-424 mentioned! I've got the Pro, and running it with Unraid, and it's great. I would probably recommend the non-Pro for most people, especially as N305 tends to get hotter and the N100 in non-Pro is perfectly competent.
I picked up the non pro F4-424 a while back for 320$. Just got around to set it up. Upgraded to 16GB RAM since I had a stick laying around. Also slapped in a couple of NVMEs while I was in there.
Appreciate all the reviews. I almost went with Lincstation N1 but wanted cold storage for the 2.5 inch sata bays which are extremely difficult to find in high capacity. I ended getting Asustor AS5402T which gives effectively same hardware (4 nvme bays and 2 sata bays) except full 3.5 inch bays for large cold storage. Also provides dual ethernet as well.
Hold my beer! I'm in process of building nvme NAS (5 drives RaidZ1) + 1HDD 3.5" for backuping all nvme drives. Ryzen 7600, Asrock B5 650m HDV/m2, 32GB RAM, Jonsbo C6, nvme bifurcation card for 4nvme and some 20$ cooler. I will test it with different PSU to determine most power efficient variant. All together it will cost something like 600-700$, but I will get possibility to add some fast network adapter when needed, I can switch to ECC memory, all nvme drives will work with full x4 pcie4 bandwidth etc. IMHO that DIY have only 2 issues - not the best idle power consumption at around 30w and bigger case.
high pass filter....just to get rid of the low rumble every time you bump the table....just roll it off at the bottom. please? we with really good speakers just hear rumbles when you interact with the table.
Made a comment on hitting the table on the last video. The disadvantage of having a good subwoofer! I can't believe they haven't noticed/filtered it yet. I much prefer the seagulls to having it sound like someone is pounding on my wall.
Great informative video as usual! Would you be kind enough to make a video about how to configure UGREEN with QNAP or Synology softwares on it please ?
16:00 All great choices. If i hadnt just built my NAS i might have gotten the ugreen. Slight note, in some places, it is not legal for a company to deny a warranty claim for the sole reason of using after market parts and services. In many regions including the US and much of europe, companies are supposed to prove that the aftermarket part and service is the reason for the failure. The problem is that many governments do not enforce their various rules which means the laws are often meaningless unless you have alot of money to fight it in court. This is the real reason why you see this problem so often in sub $20K products, because the manufacturers know that most people are just going to eat the loss, rather than spend 15k on legal fees and months or even years in the court system.
I still wonder if it isn't more interesting, and safer, to use your NAS only for storage, and to have a separate, more powerful server. Besides, in this case, what would be the most profitable NAS? I just realized that an N100 is more efficient in electricity than the j4125 of my TS-453D.
I kinda like the Ugreen, mainly because of the decent 16gb ram and 10gb + 2,5gb network, but what would you recommenfor the 2 4x4 Nvme slots, a mirror array for "important" data (since you have possible 10gbe uplink to a 2,5gbe switch, or use it for cache usage for the main sata raid ?
I am new at Nas, I wanted to buy one, actually the UGreen looks pretty good, but I hear and read everywhere that there are big security issues and that the software and interface of synology are far better. Or should I just wait for better hardware from synology to come out? I was hesitating between DS224+ and DXP2800
Man, any tips for someone in the market who just wants something that works fine out of the box, reliable and good performance. I will only use it for storage and backup of important projects/assets i have. Backups will made once dailly, ease of use software to set that up would be nice as well. I want 4 drives because well i figured the more drives the more reliable hehe, small change to have them all fail?
Keep working on the sound ... this sounds like a soup can. Until then, use a lav mic, it'll just sidestep the room issues. ... and did this move have anything to do with seagulls?
If you only want hardware for a 3rd party OS...definitely UGREEN. But if you are buying a product that is a complete turnkey, 1 party solution...I'd say the terramaster, as it's more full featured and has a number of security parameters in its implementation (even basic stuff like 2FA, or more comprehensive stuff like 'isolation mode') that are absent in ugreen and UGOS at the time of recording. Hope that helps man.
I got a regular one a while back for $320, so I guess around 245-250GBP. Not too bad I think. Had some issues with shipping though. Apparently the order was initially set to be sent from the EU warehouse, but I'm not in a EU country. Once that was sorted, though, shipping took only three days from China.
Sorry for a stupid question! I have Ugreen 4800 Plus now. Plan to purchase M.2 NVME for caching purpose. If I chose DRAM-less NVMA for cost purpose, or do you recommend use DRAM NVME instead. I know it will not much, b/c network maybe the bottle neck. Thanks!
As a happy Synology DS1817+ user, I can only complain about 1GbE network speed. What a shame. Hope to see 2.5 GbE or 5 GbE speed as standart. And also please support Seagate Exos series too (DS 1823xs+)
where on earth can you get a TS-464 below 500 quid or even 600 quid for that matter? and also you don't mention the fixed memory other than the caption unless you know where you can get them without the fixed memory 😞
You need to isolate that mic man. Every time you touch the table it sounds like there are a hoard of elephants stampeding across my floor. :) Thanks for the great info!
Nice, might get the QNAP. Contructive video criticism, replace the sqeaky chair, move the mic away from the table, the low bumps and rumbles are annoying. I'll leave the seagulls for another time :)
"taking advantage of ZFS performance" ... heh, yeah too bad ZFS doesn't actually perform well with small storage pools that consist of only a handful of drives. You need lots of ram, a large number of vdevs, plus non-capacity nvme ssds it can chew through, if you want a performant ZFS pool. It is certainly flexible, and a cow is always nice to have, but performance isn't what should be advertised when it comes to a small locked down system like the N1. Especially when it only has one 2.5Gb port ... a HDD could saturate that. It's a low cost solution for ppl that Don't care about performance.
@@Ignotus. I am in Netherlands, and I really can't find it in Germany. Not even say that I found only one piece in the US for about 500 US dollars... Big big shame.
I really wish Intel hadnt called the N305 an i3. We didnt call the dual core atoms in 2010 i3s just because it had double the core count of the single core Atoms. We shouldnt call the 8 core atoms i3s now just because they have 2x the core count of the N100, especially when the PCIE lanes and memory controller have more in common with those 2010 atoms than the 2010 i3 Heck Atoms from 2013 had the same core count only uses 5 more watts, twice as many memory channels, and almost 2x as many PCIe lanes, and they were still called atoms. So why is this technically and definitively lower end atom, called an i3.
I’m happy with my 423+ however it annoys me that you have to use their own drives for NVME storage. I might pick up a cheap network card so I can give it 2.5GBE via USB
Bit naughty to put UGreen in this list when they aren't available and haven't been proven to function well. Not available in EU. Maybe a candidate for end of 2024.
To be fair, you have a point! The bugger is that I have contacted them 4 times over a launch date, as users are asking me! And they keep saying dates, then backing up shortly after. So far I heard week 2 June, end of June, was told week 2 July from someone at Computex and now I'm vaguely hearing "soon". I've added them to the vid as they WILL definitely launch and this video will still be used/watched in he next 6 months...bonkers of them not too, especially with the software work and roadmap...but yeah, I definitely see your point man
@@nascompares Thanks for the great reply. I hear ya. Hopefully, it will be available and in use by many folks to gauge in the coming months. Love the channel!
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A word to the wise, be sure to budget for a UPS when you purchase a NAS (as I sit here with no power, thought I would throw that in). Mine shuts down the NAS immediately, to save power for the cable modem and router.
I did initially use a UPS. However the UPS kept throwing out a battery failure after about a year or so by peeping like a smoke detector.
Love your videos. But please talk about the capability to host PLEX or JellyFin. Not knowing NAS hardware very well, I purchased a WD-EX4100 a few years ago and quickly found it it could not host PLEX very well. All I need is network shared RAID backup storage and a PLEX server. Which of these, or any others that you are aware of, would be a cost effective way to address these two issues without spending a fortune? Thanks.
Glad to see the F4-424 mentioned! I've got the Pro, and running it with Unraid, and it's great. I would probably recommend the non-Pro for most people, especially as N305 tends to get hotter and the N100 in non-Pro is perfectly competent.
I picked up the non pro F4-424 a while back for 320$. Just got around to set it up. Upgraded to 16GB RAM since I had a stick laying around. Also slapped in a couple of NVMEs while I was in there.
Are the seagulls moving too? Aint the same without them birds...
yeah bring the seagulls back😂
Check 4:45 😅
You got rid of seagulls but now your chair makes their sound😂😂? As usually great video👍‼️
Can you do a comparison of the Terramaster F4-424/424 pro and the Asustor As5404T. Thanks
Right now B&H in the US has the Synology 923+ for $479. That’s a nice deal.
I think that's what it is for Prime Days as well.
Newegg has a similar deal in Canada (in CAD equivalent), which is pretty much unheard of. I picked one up and it’s coming tomorrow.
The Asustor is now $799 on amazon, only took a couple months and price spiked like crazy
Appreciate all the reviews. I almost went with Lincstation N1 but wanted cold storage for the 2.5 inch sata bays which are extremely difficult to find in high capacity. I ended getting Asustor AS5402T which gives effectively same hardware (4 nvme bays and 2 sata bays) except full 3.5 inch bays for large cold storage. Also provides dual ethernet as well.
Hold my beer! I'm in process of building nvme NAS (5 drives RaidZ1) + 1HDD 3.5" for backuping all nvme drives. Ryzen 7600, Asrock B5
650m HDV/m2, 32GB RAM, Jonsbo C6, nvme bifurcation card for 4nvme and some 20$ cooler. I will test it with different PSU to determine most power efficient variant. All together it will cost something like 600-700$, but I will get possibility to add some fast network adapter when needed, I can switch to ECC memory, all nvme drives will work with full x4 pcie4 bandwidth etc. IMHO that DIY have only 2 issues - not the best idle power consumption at around 30w and bigger case.
high pass filter....just to get rid of the low rumble every time you bump the table....just roll it off at the bottom. please? we with really good speakers just hear rumbles when you interact with the table.
you could actually seek and destroy just the frequency the table makes with you interact with it...its the same frequency almost every time
OBS got audio amazing filters, you can easily setup a very decent voice recording in no time
Made a comment on hitting the table on the last video. The disadvantage of having a good subwoofer! I can't believe they haven't noticed/filtered it yet. I much prefer the seagulls to having it sound like someone is pounding on my wall.
@@dork742yep, I have a nice sub as well so I hear it all the time 😂
Great informative video as usual! Would you be kind enough to make a video about how to configure UGREEN with QNAP or Synology softwares on it please ?
16:00 All great choices. If i hadnt just built my NAS i might have gotten the ugreen.
Slight note, in some places, it is not legal for a company to deny a warranty claim for the sole reason of using after market parts and services.
In many regions including the US and much of europe, companies are supposed to prove that the aftermarket part and service is the reason for the failure.
The problem is that many governments do not enforce their various rules which means the laws are often meaningless unless you have alot of money to fight it in court.
This is the real reason why you see this problem so often in sub $20K products, because the manufacturers know that most people are just going to eat the loss, rather than spend 15k on legal fees and months or even years in the court system.
I still wonder if it isn't more interesting, and safer, to use your NAS only for storage, and to have a separate, more powerful server. Besides, in this case, what would be the most profitable NAS? I just realized that an N100 is more efficient in electricity than the j4125 of my TS-453D.
any advice on hardrives to buy?
I kinda like the Ugreen, mainly because of the decent 16gb ram and 10gb + 2,5gb network, but what would you recommenfor the 2 4x4 Nvme slots, a mirror array for "important" data (since you have possible 10gbe uplink to a 2,5gbe switch, or use it for cache usage for the main sata raid ?
I’ve seen a file transfer comparison and the results..the reviewer favoured increasing RAM over adding an NVME for cache
From what I noticed he NEVER responds to comments. Which shows where his heart is at. Not the audience and actually helping them.
After my disaster terramaster 😂 I brought a qnap and it's great 👍
I am new at Nas, I wanted to buy one, actually the UGreen looks pretty good, but I hear and read everywhere that there are big security issues and that the software and interface of synology are far better. Or should I just wait for better hardware from synology to come out? I was hesitating between DS224+ and DXP2800
Not to forget the QNAP TS-453E, which suddenly has two real DDR4 slots, equipped with one 1x 8GB.
Man, any tips for someone in the market who just wants something that works fine out of the box, reliable and good performance. I will only use it for storage and backup of important projects/assets i have. Backups will made once dailly, ease of use software to set that up would be nice as well. I want 4 drives because well i figured the more drives the more reliable hehe, small change to have them all fail?
I really like videos like this. It shows you've done a lot of work and research, and I appreciate your sharing the info. Much appreciated.
Keep working on the sound ... this sounds like a soup can.
Until then, use a lav mic, it'll just sidestep the room issues.
... and did this move have anything to do with seagulls?
12:23 i think they are in development of their own software
New studio, very nice, very nice indeed. Fingers crossed those seagulls don’t move with you.
Which NVME drives are people using for these pcie downgraded all flash NAS systems? I assume faster drives are a waste.
But the license N1 included is 6 device only , when you got full build (2+4) you running out of device quota for Unassigned device ....
Should I wait for ugreen DXP4800 Plus when it comes to market, or just buy Terramaster F4-464 right now, or ugreen is worth the wait?
If you only want hardware for a 3rd party OS...definitely UGREEN. But if you are buying a product that is a complete turnkey, 1 party solution...I'd say the terramaster, as it's more full featured and has a number of security parameters in its implementation (even basic stuff like 2FA, or more comprehensive stuff like 'isolation mode') that are absent in ugreen and UGOS at the time of recording. Hope that helps man.
Just bought the F4-424 Pro off aliexpress for 460gbp delivered.
How long did the delivery take
I brought one two days delivery but had to send back became faulty @aisback1990
@@aisback1990 Dunno - only ordered today
I got a regular one a while back for $320, so I guess around 245-250GBP. Not too bad I think. Had some issues with shipping though. Apparently the order was initially set to be sent from the EU warehouse, but I'm not in a EU country. Once that was sorted, though, shipping took only three days from China.
Sorry for a stupid question! I have Ugreen 4800 Plus now. Plan to purchase M.2 NVME for caching purpose. If I chose DRAM-less NVMA for cost purpose, or do you recommend use DRAM NVME instead. I know it will not much, b/c network maybe the bottle neck. Thanks!
Where did you get it? I can't find the UGreen NAS anywhere... even on their own website. Feels like they're out of the NAS game entirely : /
@@garychap8384 It's on Amazon in the US.
@@garychap8384 Ugreen Germany or US and also in Amazon germany.
Would the Terramaster F4-424 Pro be a good option to use as a nas server for video editing?
What audio chipset is the ugreen nas using
It's not intel Realtek???
I miss the benches with all the NAS'es..
Noticed a mistake in your description it says teremaster f f464 instead of f 424 the link is correct tho
As a happy Synology DS1817+ user, I can only complain about 1GbE network speed. What a shame. Hope to see 2.5 GbE or 5 GbE speed as standart. And also please support Seagate Exos series too (DS 1823xs+)
where on earth can you get a TS-464 below 500 quid or even 600 quid for that matter? and also you don't mention the fixed memory other than the caption unless you know where you can get them without the fixed memory 😞
You need to isolate that mic man. Every time you touch the table it sounds like there are a hoard of elephants stampeding across my floor. :) Thanks for the great info!
Gonna miss the seagulls 😪😉
Nice, might get the QNAP. Contructive video criticism, replace the sqeaky chair, move the mic away from the table, the low bumps and rumbles are annoying. I'll leave the seagulls for another time :)
Thks buts I still likes the attic better ;)
I prefer the term "mess dungeon"...
"taking advantage of ZFS performance" ... heh, yeah
too bad ZFS doesn't actually perform well with small storage pools that consist of only a handful of drives.
You need lots of ram, a large number of vdevs, plus non-capacity nvme ssds it can chew through, if you want a performant ZFS pool.
It is certainly flexible, and a cow is always nice to have, but performance isn't what should be advertised when it comes to a small locked down system like the N1.
Especially when it only has one 2.5Gb port ... a HDD could saturate that.
It's a low cost solution for ppl that Don't care about performance.
what a shame that UGREEN NAS is not possible to buy anywhere. at least in the EU
I agree. Only in the USA or Germany
@@Ignotus. I am in Netherlands, and I really can't find it in Germany. Not even say that I found only one piece in the US for about 500 US dollars... Big big shame.
Not for sale in the US either. Not amz, not their site, just unbuyable
I'm guessing it hasn't really hit regular retail properly yet. Seems they had a lot of kickstarter orders to ship out.
@@tei1337 I hope it will very fast as I need to set up a brand new NAS.
Is Eddie the seagull?
I really wish Intel hadnt called the N305 an i3.
We didnt call the dual core atoms in 2010 i3s just because it had double the core count of the single core Atoms.
We shouldnt call the 8 core atoms i3s now just because they have 2x the core count of the N100, especially when the PCIE lanes and memory controller have more in common with those 2010 atoms than the 2010 i3
Heck Atoms from 2013 had the same core count only uses 5 more watts, twice as many memory channels, and almost 2x as many PCIe lanes, and they were still called atoms. So why is this technically and definitively lower end atom, called an i3.
Ugreen is just so difficult to source for rest of the world and hence shouldn’t be in this list.
I’m happy with my 423+ however it annoys me that you have to use their own drives for NVME storage.
I might pick up a cheap network card so I can give it 2.5GBE via USB
ASUS USB-C2500 work great
@@mario-sz thank you
Bit naughty to put UGreen in this list when they aren't available and haven't been proven to function well. Not available in EU. Maybe a candidate for end of 2024.
To be fair, you have a point! The bugger is that I have contacted them 4 times over a launch date, as users are asking me! And they keep saying dates, then backing up shortly after. So far I heard week 2 June, end of June, was told week 2 July from someone at Computex and now I'm vaguely hearing "soon". I've added them to the vid as they WILL definitely launch and this video will still be used/watched in he next 6 months...bonkers of them not too, especially with the software work and roadmap...but yeah, I definitely see your point man
@@nascompares Thanks for the great reply. I hear ya. Hopefully, it will be available and in use by many folks to gauge in the coming months. Love the channel!
noisy chair much preferable to any Seagull! 🙂
I don't know. Seagulls add some flair. 😁
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