I've really enjoyed the a6400, though I complain often that the only truly wide autofocus lens is the $900 10-18mm. I just wish a company would make an affordable AF 12mm for the APSC lineup for vlogging.
This is a great camera but it could've been a lot better if they used the new menu system as well as 4k 120fps. Although that would translate to probably adding 1-2k to the price. 😬 Would still love to have this and be satisfied though.
Waiting for prices to drop below $1k on the Sony a6600, which is when I’ll be adding one of those to my camera roster. Excited to pick that one up. Any thoughts on when the price may actually drop down to that level???
Sony is targeting people like me who bought an a6000, want to stay with a rangefinder style camera, and haven't felt the need to upgrade. This should've been called the a7000. People who wanted an a7III already have one.
This, 2 years later with my a6k I'm fully aware of it's limitations and am ready to step into a newer model and was looking at the a6600 before this and thought wow the perfect upgrade to my setup and now the a7C comes out and I'm like DUDE. A flippy outty screen and a full frame sensor, sure it's like 400 more then a a6600 but It's everything I could need and more. I have looked into a used a7 iii body but as a screen shooter the full rotation of the a7c calls out to me, sure the ibis isn't as good but I'm sure in it'll be patched in the next FW but coming from the a6k which has no ibis of any kind I'll take poor functioning over none at all. I love the aps-c sensor and the ability to exploit it with zoom lens like a 55-300 or a 100-400 and with sony's smart zoom of 1.4x and if you're crazy add a 1.4x optical you have an insane Zoom setup for wildlife/astro photography.
100% agree with that, I'm an a6000 user and have been kinda dreading upgrading to a full frame because it won't fit in my preferred EDC bag. This smaller body style full frame camera meets all my upgrading expectations but still fits in my bag. It's a great camera to bridge the user gap between the APS-C and full frame users.
Jason, amazing video, I own the A7siii and recently got the a7c. I sold my a7iii 5 months ago. My a7c can do everything and more. Sometimes I have to shoot weddings for 5 hours in a gimbal. And the pain in my arms was horrible. Now I have a setup that offers me everything I wanted. I love the old school menus because I used it for many years and my editing workflow is so smooth. A7c is for me.
Its the little things like the one card slot, old menu, lack of the full touch screen, 1/4000 shutter speed and the 1/160 flash sync speed that really bother me Jason its not good enough for a camera priced at this level. This is priced above the a7iii here in Australia
The price may be a little high, but it's still cheaper than the a73 and its tough to balance some of the compromises you mention against the new features that the camera offers over the a73. I really don't think the price is the key issue. For me, it comes down to whether you think you could get some use out of a full frame camera with a smaller form factor and small lenses in circumstances where you otherwise wouldn't take your a73 or a7r3 set up. I think it may be worth a try to some people who want full frame quality but just don't typically grab their full frame camera and lens in circumstances where they may grab a small full frame camera like this with a small lens on it. I think I may be one of those who tries it out.
@@stevennichols9103 It's not cheaper than the a7iii once you factor in exchange rates and rrp in different countries. They're the exact same price in Singapore (which effectively means it's more expensive since I'm paying more for a cheaper camera). Price is the absolute key issue, there was little R&D that went into this since they're just re-using parts/clearing inventory for the coming a7iv. If they kept the dual SD slots, front and back dial, just 2 custom buttons alone. I would be more than happy to pay $1800 for it. The flippy screens and better AF is very attractive. But they nerfed it to the ground and put a ff sensor into a body where it's impossible to shoot manually.
i'm just genuinely confused by it, but i could see a street photographer using it with small primes. Sony seems to market it for vloggers, but it's missing a lot of vlogging nice-to-haves
No. I'm a borderline fanboy & I hate it. It's obviously made so there's room for A7Cii & A7Ciii just by adding existing features/buttons instead of creating actual improvements or innovations along the way.
It’s funny. I have been shooting Sony for 4 years now. I own the A9II , A7rIV and the 6600. Love them all. I just got the Canon R6 with the 15-35 RF. I love that camera and the way it feels in my hands plus great auto focus and IBIS. Never been a fan boy of any brand. They are tools and all do different things.
I blame the "influencers" they get gear from the manufacture and then they say "We are not going to be biased" and they are... It's simple Sony A7C camera is good for 2016-2017 but not 2020 and we are almost in 2021....
People crying and complaining about cameras and theyir features (or lack thereof) nowadays should be forced to use a film camera for a few months.... life for photographers was wayyy tougher before and that didn’t stop them from taking amazing shots! 😄👍🏼 Love your videos Jason!
For photography, honestly it doesn't matter much anymore. Any modern camera can take good pictures unless you're a sports/wildlife photographer or someone who needs special features. It's the ergonomics that's really underwhelming. No dials, no custom buttons. No dual SD slot. And also, it doesn't make sense to compare it to film. That's like saying if I complain the trains are always late I should try walking across the country to see what it was like in 1800.
Professional Potato 🤔hmmm.... not comparing a modern train to walking... more like comparing a modern train to a steam train of back in the day. Cause it’s the same concept just different technology
@@royrodriguez4779 Still, I don't quite agrree. I understand and agree that limitations are important to learn the basics and it also helps with creativity, but at the same time technology has improved and we should try to take advantage of it. Also, in some situations, limitations could be counter-productive, e.g. wedding photography with film. Realistically, we are spoilt for choice. But I would still want something that makes this hobby and profession enjoyable. And I don't think there's anything wrong with demanding the features that will make life more enjoyable.
to be honest, as a vlogging camera, this is already good enough. although i am still interested and excited for the A7IV, i think this would be the camera I get for vlogs.
I’m a Sony shooter and I was really encouraged as the initial rumours were for a budget full frame to compete with the Canon RP. What we got was an a7iii with upgraded autofocus & flippy screen, in a body with less dials & less custom buttons at a AU$300 higher price, or more like $700 more if you shop around. It needed to be priced much lower or specked much higher, they did neither. Personally I think it’s an excuse to recycle some unused components from old stock and then justify a price hike for the a7iv when that gets released.
I don’t think its the hate of the compact. I think its the pricing and the similarities with the A7iii. 1 SD card and the bad EVF. I also dont like the EVF placement on all A6000 line up. Mostly the small esthetic that people like me preferred over.
For me the main issue with this body is it costs more than the A7III but doesn't have the same features like a 1/4000th shutter. If they priced it cheaper like maybe $2300 AUD and not $3300 AUD it would be a more compelling option. At its current price I'd rather a second A7III.
This is the camera I am getting, I haven't pre-ordered it and waiting for it to hit the shelves first but I know I'm just delaying the inevitable. I know that I just want a compact full frame to pair vintage glass and 55 1.8 ZA, and despite the issues it have it is still the camera that most fits my needs. Everyone have different needs so stop complaining.
Think this camera is actually pretty awesome and serves a great purpose, just think it could be a couple hundred dollars less given how close it is to the A7III. I currently have an A7RIII and a Panasonic GH5, G9, & GX8 that I use for most of my content creation for my YT channel, but I’m looking forward to picking up an A6600 to add to the Sony arsenal when the price finally drops below $1k at some point.
I actually really love how compact it is (without the huge lenses lol). I just think it would’ve been better if the price range is only SLIGHTLY higher than the aps-c line up. Don’t you think?
Thanks, Jason, for being a voice of reason and adding some perspective. I agree that folks should offer their thoughts, but everyone should remain calm - we are talking about a camera! Love your work and reviews, thanks again.
Totally agree. At the end of the day, a camera is just a tool to help you create and different tools do different jobs. For someone already with an A7 series camera, or any full frame mirrorless, this isn't for you. Just like if you're a photographer, the a7Siii isn't for you. Personally I don't see anything wrong with this camera besides the fact it's priced too closely to the A7iii. A price drop would make the A7c an absolute steal!
@Alex Regiani go on, list all the full frame mirrorless that is 1800$ with good looking compact body and features that are the same or better than A7c also number of lenses that support that mount compare to E mount.
😂 great video! A7C would be a no brainer at a lower price point. At 1799, it’s just too close to the A7III for me not to grab. The flip screen is tempting but not worth it. No hate here either
@@kathenamarie3049 the better autofocus/flip out screen and the form factor. At the time the A7IV wasn’t really a factor either. Still very happy with the purchase!
I think others are thinking that every product a company is releasing is catered to everyone. but the thing is, there are all these different models for all the different niches. don't like the A7C? maybe you're not the target market? aka don't buy it. 🤷🏻♂️
I don't know why there's so much rant in this new camera, it's not replacing your favorite cam. I'm just glad that Sony added more options for their consumers to choose from. If you want proper EVF, more dials and buttons then go for A7III. If you prefer the 10 bit video with 4k 120p then A7sIII. But if you want the mix features of A7III and A7sIII with flippy screen, no record limit, real eye AF in video, good in low light with gyroscope metadata stabilization in a compact body with a cheaper price, then A7c it is. There's no camera for everybody. The "Perfect Camera" is just a matter of preference.
They took away too many things from the A7iii. If they kept the dual SD, 1/8000 shutter, better flash sync, front dial and just 1 or 2 custom buttons, it wouldn't be so bad.
For someone who uses almost exclusively for still photography, at a roughly similar price point, which setup would you rather have... A6400 w 16-55 f2.8 or A7C with new 28-60 kit lens?
Honestly, I feel that the petty camera brand wars, that are being perpetuated by the Internet community, are going to hurt the camera industry in the long run.
It's true that say a 55mm f1.8 is an APS-C 35mm f1.2 which is rare to find even from Fuji (their's is f1.4) and Sony lenses are fairly light bodied. So the camera can grow and shrink as needed. The biggest let-down is no 10 BIT video, which the likes of Fuji have had for like 3 years, for now $1000. For grading and rescuing exposure 10 bit is so important that they really missed an opportunity here. Even 4K 60 could be forgiven as it's not used on every shot. A lot of people were convinced that the A7Siii's codecs would have made a limited appearance in this body. :(
The A7iii, at least in China, Japan, and maybe Korea, was kind of a success as a status symbol too. Obviously I can't say this for sure, I'm just basing this on what I heard from a few friends, both passionate and just interested in photography. The thing is, those friends are women. But none of them continued using the A7iii because of the WEIGHT! One those friend came to Italy last summer, but choose not to bring the a7iii, again because of the weight! She loves to take pictures, but couldn't see herself bringing around all day the a7iii with the kit lens. As a stills-first camera for amateurs and enthusiast the A7c is more than enough(!), and if it can bring more people into photography, that's an AWESOME camera in my opinion
Hey Jason, just to let you know that the reason I follow and watch your video is because you as a person always focus on the positive of something and how to make it work. On top of that, you do point out how it can improve and NOT COMPLAIN about it. So please continue doing you 💕 And yes, this camera is not for everyone but it is for ppl like me who have been using a6 series and didn't make the jump to fullframe because of the size.
Lens option for travel: kit 28/60 + Sony 85 f1.8; Batis 25 + Zeiss 55; kit 28/60 + Zeiss 55; Sony 35 + Sony 85; Tarmon 24 +Zeiss 55. People with full frame A7c won’t accept low image quality as otherwise apsc would be a better choice for travel light.
I will probably buy this camera as an experienced enthusiast coming from a 6000 series. Thank you for calling out the people that over reacting to this.
Sony sells its 6600 with an aps-c sensor for 1400. The a7C meets or beats the 6600 on every spec AND boasts a full frame sensor. Explain your logic for why Sony should therefore sell an a7C for less than a 6600.
Thanks for the update. I shot Sony and while the A7c is a great camera on its own, why there's no A7 iv compact already? Sony's product strategy is very hesitant, to put it midly.
Tbh the A73 felt small enough in my hands even if it isn't light. A7C is just magnifying that issue. If they're like Leica then they would've stuck to smaller lens designs when they're bodies are so small
Jason, hating a product that nobody is under obligation to buy is, well, as you say: part of too much hate being around these days. When I bought the A7 early on I was very happy, not in the least because it seemed to be small. When the later marks grew in size I stayed put withe A7 but with the improvements in the mark III I bought myself into the heavier body, it felt like biting a bullet though. The A7c would be very appealing to me except that I don’t buy bodies every other year. The mileage of you pro people varies, of course. I’ll follow in about another 2 years’ time! Peace!
Cheers Mr. Vong, I wouldn't be here (a few months late) if I thought you were full of it, when you and Danny were in the hotel room doing your best to set up for the launch of the A7III, hilarious both so excited and it was all raw and fantastic. Informative and accurate that's what people want and that's what you provide. And let us not forget that Great woman Vivienne. Maybe lockdown has got a few people annoyed and looking to vent. Anyhow you provide it and we watch it, thank you.
Aw love man!! Thanks for the shoutout right there! I have a love hate relationship with the camera but then again, it's a camera that probably isn't targeted so much to the enthusiast crowd.
I dont get why this camera exists. Do you think people wanted a slightly smaller body than the already incredibly small A7 series, or did they want 4k60 with 10-bit internal recording?
That intro was next level 🤣, great to see you back UA-cam brother. Love how your addressing the internet getting up in arms over camera gear. Always appreciate your reviews and tutorials 🙌🏻
Thank you Jason for taking a balanced view, I fully agree too many you tubers seem to knock every thing Toneh seems to think his in ability to use a camera makes it faulty.... what’s that about! Gordon Laing of camera labs is very balanced about all the cameras he reviews points out the positive and less positive features, he’s not reviewed this model yet don’t know why Sony haven’t sent him one to test. Chris and Jordan give a balanced review with some humour added, even camera conspiracies who’s who channel is about finding the perfect camera for his needs as a clogger finds positive stuff to say! Not every one is interested in video , folk don’t give a toss about 10 bit. People have different hand sizes, if you’ve got big hands go buy a 1DX, if you have small hands, and want some thing to go in an every day bag then this size of camera is perfect, and as you say lots of small light lenses. The tamron wide angles would be great for street photography on this body get better resolution than the rx series although they are awesome for their size. Keep up the good work and stay healthy 😍
Hey Jason, haters are gonna hate, your videos are always enjoyable and your opinion to me was never biased. Ignore the hate comments, seems like internet these days is a place for people to vent, you can’t blame them, they have been locked in too long
I am with you in this, as a A7iii user I don’t want to spend the extra money for a camera that still have the old menu and no 4k60...... I like the smaller size , but these 2 aspects were a must
The people who gripe are the specs nerds or the a7III owners looking for an upgrade. The a7C is not for them. It is for those looking for FF quality in a compact kit, and those thinking of a6600 as well. There was a reason for me to get the a6600. I want a more compact kit than my a7RIII. It's that simple. I would consider the a7C for this, although FF lens tends to be larger than apsc. But can consider the Samyang 18, 45, 75, Sony 35F1.8, Zeiss 55 etc.
Keep up the great work Jason! Still trying to decide if it's worth upgrading my a6400 to a full frame or not. I'm so torn because I don't know if a full frame is that much better than my 6400
In Relation to 9:25 min. Until rx100 with babysensor hasn't grown up, I would choose the Ricoh GR III with APSC! And yes, we all are here because you're so handsome 😉
Don't mind the haters, people who waste their time focusing on the content creator instead of the actual products and info, are just shouting to the world how unhappy and lonely they are: they're not seeking technical and practical data, they're looking for idols and friends. They're not followers, they're fans. Don't lose your time on them, you create awesome content, you spend countless hours and effort on bringing good content, whoever criticize you, you may ask them "ok and what's your contribution to the community? What have you been giving all of us lately for free?" People could just be more grateful and practical sometimes. Move forward, Vong, keep up the great work.
Jason Why don’t you do a side by side comparison of the a6600 with a kit lens or 16-70 lens and the 7c with the kit lens or a 24-105 lens. Compare price, features, size, weight, picture quality and any other quality you see fit. That would be very interesting. Not negative evaluation but real
In your bit about lenses the 35mm 2.8 (sony or Samyang) is the ideal lens for this camera. if the camera had been right it's the lens that would stay on the camera for me. Also the 18mm Samyang is tiny and using each of these in crop mode gives a nice simple and very small setup.
Negativity is good, it will make 2 monopoly camera manufacturers ( Sony & Canon ) work harder. Otherwise you only get super expensive A7SIII with 4k 120fps or the 3 year old A7III in APC body as A7C .
Personally the ZV-1 and a7C are good for what you are paying for. I look forward to the a7iv. However the a7C is a great camera to replace the a7iii. And light like my a6600 and would be my go to for walking and talking like the a6600
I dont mind with smaller size and the form factor of the A7C.. i actually lilke smaller cameras because i like it for hiking and with the silver color it looks amazing....the only thing that concerns me with this camera is the view finder.. it looks freaking small...i havent used one but it looks like a deal breaker for someone like me who is more into photos than videos after seeing some reviews of this..
I have an A7iii and an A6400. I haven’t looked at the A7c much because it’s not for me. The A7iii is not that much larger than the A6400 but I got that mainly for the much cheaper lenses.
A7c looks like to me, Sony's take of Canon's EOS Rp. But at a much worse pacakge. At that range, Nikon's Z5 is a much better deal/camera pacakge. All the specs of a A7III/Z6, shaving off some features especially in video capabilities, and sell at real low prices. A perfect tool for the serious photographer who may want to bring a cheaper lower spec'ed body every single day with them in the bag just to practice, experiement, mess around, enjoy shooting, but without the fear of causing huge damage to their workhorse gear through daily usage. And great as an entry body. Exactly as they said, expand your digital playground. Where as EOS R6 costs a huge amount(due to all the new sensor and video feature craps), EOS Rp has one card slot and no IBIS(somewhat OK for daily use though), but is really cheap for a daily camera. A7c here is more expansive than both rp and z5(maybe due to it's new and price will decrease over time, but sill,) with worse specs. Most people shooting with Sony shouldn't really be bothered with this body, they're perfectly fine with their A7III, or their APS-c would render this not much an upgrade. The problem is with Sony who invest time and cost on these, potentially making a loss on the project, instead of using that resource on refreshing and work more on their best lens lines. 85GM has been beaten by RF85, both image quality and with its ancient slow focus speed. And 70-200 GM till this date is still not as good as either 70-200E nor EF 70-200 II/III, nor say the RF70-200. Both os these are close to their 5 year mark, and should be due for a refresh given how the new RF and Z mount counterparts are both better.
Glad to see another video Jason. As beginner that I've just got my a6400 sony I will stick with it for now. Low budget and the kit lens came with it makes me dig for a dedicated lens for landscape. But. The more i dig the more confused i get on what should i buy 😂😂. So, please help needed here. 1. Beginner 2. Apsc camera sony a6400 3. Lanscape 4. What lens for it in the 400-700 euro range? Much appreciated for your videos and help, thank you!!
The price is the big issue with this camera, if it was £400 cheaper or so then it could be in a better position but right now it's more expensive than the A7iii where I am which is just not viable. Nikon just made the same mistake releasing the Z5 at a price point which is too close to the Z6. The Z6 often goes on sale to a price below the price of the Z5 so any smart buyers know they shouldn't even bother with the Z5.
you simply can't satisfy everyone. I think you made a great first look video. This camera might just be the perfect niche product for Sony FE. It's not for me and as the comments suggest not for some other people either, but the way you voice an opinion says a lot about your character.
One of your best video in years! Love this vid right here thanks, now please make a vid customizing the buttons we have available since "we are missing the custom ones" please
Mr Vong!! Welcome back!! I too am back from a social media break... woosah 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 I even now am choosing to only open one app per day and only for no more than a few minutes 😅 I personally chose to buy the a6600 recently over this camera because it fits my needs more than this does. I enjoy the smaller form factor and flip “up” screen over flip side. And the extra custom bottoms are important to me as well. When I want full frame I just grab one of my my a7Riii bodies and I’m good to go. But there is still a place for the smaller and lighter apsc line 😅
This is actually close to a model which would tempt me to move to full frame. I'd actually be happy if they had a similar camera at a lower price with only basic video capability and a tilt screen similar to the one on the a6300. I don't need "pro" features like a dual card slot or advanced video features etc. and am unwilling to pay for features I don't need. I shoot almost exclusively stills (street and travel) and a compact weather sealed full frame rangefinder style camera with IBIS would fit me like a glove.
I think that the hate has gotten out of hand... And as for the photo environment, I think that too many pros are getting their hands on products that weren't specifically designed and/or manufactured for them. I am a beginner photographer and I have an a6000. I would get this instead of a full size camera, mainly because it doesn't have all the whistles that I know that I don't need.
IMHO this combo (a7C with the retractable kit lens) makes perfect sense. It's all about compromises, but in terms of image quality, consider that for an APS-C camera like a6600 (same weight as a7C), you would need something like *18-40 f/2.8-3.5* to get the equivalent background blur and ISO performance. That's similar to what Fuji did with 18-55 f/2.8-4, although Fuji's lens is a bit larger and has a bit of extra reach at the telephoto end. For a f/2.8 zoom on a Sony APS-C, you would need the $1400 Sony 16-55mm F2.8G, a 3x heavier and 2.5x longer lens than the new 28-60 kit. And the a7C still allows you to use bright f/1.4 and f/1.8 FF primes, or those tiny Samyang AF f/2.8 primes (which again give you the image of a f/1.8 prime on an APS-C).
I agree with you that there is too much rage on the net and on social media in particular. But the negative towards other brands is really old, it dates back to the analog age where Nikon and Canon users had a jab against each other on a regular basis, it’ as annoying now as it where back then. Personally I just think that that negative has become much more noticeable because of social media. You where absolutely right that the brand doesn’t really matter as much today as it did back in the old days, in all fairness the difference is relatively small due to the fact that allot of the different products uses parts from the same manufacturers for examples Sony, so just pick the one you like the most and that suit your needs is the right approach. Regarding the Sony A7C I still don’t get it, The regular A7 where already reasonably compact, you could easily toss a compact prime on it and it would be as compact as a FF could be without compromising too much on ergonomics. The A7C just isn’t that much more compact, I also think that has been the biggest criticism of the product that for the very slight reduction is size you loose allot of ergonomics. However I do agree with you that your not meant to use the very expensive and huge Pro lenses on it, however your where not meant to do that either with the regular A7, those lenses where primarily meant for A9 and A7R. The A7 where meant to be used with the Sony, Tamron, Samyang branded lenses.
Pros: (1) Flip OUT screen (2) UHS 2 faster card reader (3) USB C (4) Improved faster auto focus down to lower EV-4 (5) Full frame 4k 30fps. (6) IBIS. (7) Nice port flaps. Cons: (1) Expensive (2) kit lens has NO OIS!!!! (3) Crop in 4k 30 fps video recording mode. (4) IBIS is poor especially since the kit lens doesn't have OIS.
Wrong. Different workflows require different stuff to worry about. Professional productions have Data Technician to take care of swaping cards or SSDs and copying footage. But with us lone wolf, we need those dual card slots. I'm sure A7c doesnt need a second slot, but comparing this with pro cameras is making non-sense
I think the camera was delayed due to COVID-19 and the R5, R6. Sony has to respond asap with the A7SIII, and this got pushed further back. The biggest problem is the A7C has the BIONZ X and not the XR. We have seen the promised land in the A7SIII with it's greater processing power resulting in faster, better focusing, lower rolling shutter, touch screen menus and going back to the old style seems like a big backwards move in 2020. If this had come out in early 2020, the reception would have been much more positive instead of meh. We now know what the A7IV will have and it seems smarter to wait for that.
Nice video, with a very pertinent editorial topic. I just purchased the A7C and I love it: for my needs. I read a lot of reviews about how the XT-4 is a better camera. Maybe for some Fuji is a better system, but I don’t need all the ergonomics, and I was craving to move to full frame. I have held on to my trusty a6000 for the past 7-8 years, and NEX-6 before that, and Nex-5n before that. Moving to full frame feels very good, having been patiently waiting with my APS-C systems. Again, good job on your videos, especially this one. Cheers, from Montreal
Disagree with the opening sentiment. I agree with the “compact camera no compact lenses”. This fully reflects my sentiments. If there was a high quality sharp lens at a wide angle, I would have totally spent that full frame $$$
I’ll take this camera anytime over the A7III. People don’t get that this camera was designed for vloggers that want to step up their video quality a notch. I’ll probably buy it after I spend my savings on the A7SIII 🤩! Keep the good work!
I agree with you totally this Camera definitely seems to have copped it, I have reviewed it and copped more negativity on facebook about this camera than any camera I have reviewed. I personally am buying it due to it's compactness for on the go vlogging and also as a second to my A7siii. I am also excited as you said to what this leads to in further models. Big up to you Jason for putting this out there, and love watching all your video's. 👍😀📷🇦🇺
To make a compact setup, the Sony Ziess 24-70 lens is a good fit. Having said that, if this camera had the custom buttons and layout of the a6600, I would consist. They simply stripped too much.
Hey Jason. I am so glad you are back. I value your feedback. I would like your opinion. I had an A6300 that I sold to buy the BMPCC 4K in July. I bought an A6600 in May and love it. I am starting to do “concert like” photography for my church. I am thinking of moving to full frame. I want to stay with the Sony ecosystem. I am looking for a photography camera mainly as the BMPCC 4K is my video camera. Do you recommend the A7iii or something else. I want to stay in the $2000 range for the body.
YES< We will complain! That is what keeps them on their toes and keep improving cameras. If we all happy the camera companies might rest... NEVER! ALL CAMERAS SUCK! All people are awesome! Wow there is tons of sarcasm in this!
It's higher only because A7iii has been on the market for a few years. When A7iv is launched, A7c will be the least expensive Sony FF camera. This is so obvious that it surprises me people don't see it. Also, A7c has much better AF than A7iii, same menu system and same sensor so I don't see this "worse package", given it's not targeted at pros, but enthusiasts.
@@andrzejjaniak6849 You are mistaken. When the A7 IV is launched, the least expensive Sony FF will still be und continue to be the A7 III (with modern specs. The A7 and A7 II are still sold).
@@coffeetimefun You must live in a very special place, where the A7 III is 200 bucks more expensive. Almost everywhere else it is the other way round. In Germany, where I live, the A7C sells for 2100€ body only, and the A7III for 1800€. And I would always pick the A7 III because I need redundancy with dual card slots, usability with buttons and AF-joystick and an EVF that is actually usable for all day work. And we haven’t talked about the grip yet. The A7C has gimmicks, while the A7 III has essentials.
@@andreasbuder4417 Unless you are a pro who shoots weddings, I would go for a smaller package and better AF than dual card slots and joystick. The new AF will be in A7iv and A7iv will be more expensive than A7c.
I appreciate your straight forward videos. I like that when you feel something is lacking in a camera you give your opinion in a professional manner without being hateful.
With this smaller FF camera coming out, my thoughts are once again brought to the old 18-105 f/4 lens, which was only APS-C. I’m still kind of frustrated by the fact that there isn’t any equivalent lens for FF, especially since it used to take care of most of what I did before upgrading. And while I know that the FF bodies can use the crop lenses, I’d really like to make use of the full sensor, ya know? Such a lens, if full frame, would be the perfect companion to this camera, IMO.
As someone who just picked up at a7iii probably would have waited to grab a a7c, but the announcement came a month after my purchase so rip. It looks like its gonna offer the same level of photographic quality, but with a smaller package and cheaper price Not really picking it up for the video so the lack of 4k doesn't bother me. Love your content Jason, wish people could take the info and the content and not throw labels on the creator, glad that you're back!!
I think Philip DeFranco said it best, haters help pay the bill too. At the end of the day, if the tool gets the job done, that’s all it matters. I’m shooting on Canon 6D for years and no one said a word. 🤫
I appreciate your take on things because, like you, I use Sony. I am heavily invested in Sony bodies and lenses and have no interest in Canon, Nikon, Fuji or Panasonic even if they occasionally produce a superior product.
I have the A7SIII on pre-order but as my b-cam, selling my A6600 and going for the A7C. I've always wanted an RX-1ish compact full frame - the new menus would have been nice, but I can live with the old system. 4K60p would have been nice too, but I'm still one of the hold outs. For my needs HD is enough cause I like the smaller file sizes and reduced rolling shutter. Will enjoy getting max versatility out of my small sony primes - I use the 20mm F1.8, 28m F1.8 and the 55mm F1.8 in both full frame, super 35 mode and also using the clear image zoom. Hope that in v2 of this cam they include new menu, 4K60 and 10-bit color.
I love it. Already own an a7iii and an a5100. Considering upgrading the 5100 to a 6100, or selling off all my aps-c gear and going in on the A7C with the kit lens. Thoughts?
Great video and you nailed on the head about camera reviews these days. Not sure if negative reviews are what people want to see, or whether they are just click bait which draws viewers. A great example is the Canon R5/R6. I am sick of videos with the word "overheating" in the title. Click bait. People perpetuates negativity even if the issue will never affect them. I've said this before, solve the overheating by putting in a fan, but the camera ends up being heavier. People will then complain about the weight and size. So what do people want?
I think the main problem is the price - it seems the A7C is more expensive than the A73 everywhere outside the U.S.. It's recycling of old parts plus it's crippled in some ways compared to the (300 Eur) cheaper A73.
Thanks for the lens run down for Sony Full Frame. I'm on the Sony A6400 and been wondering what best to get for vlog and all round. SIgma 16, Sony 10-18, Sony FE 16-35 F4 or Sony 16-55. The 2 that have image stabilisation have poor low light. Nice to have choice though right :)
I like the stiling of the Sony A7c very much with the EVF out to the very side of the camera, I hope that all future A7/A9 Sony cameras will have this design, but with larger EVF in higher resolution.
What is your ideal "small package"? 😉Compact Camera that is... cough cough
Lol 😂 it’s not the best time for this camera but I don’t hate it
A 4 for 4 at wendys is the perfect small package
I've really enjoyed the a6400, though I complain often that the only truly wide autofocus lens is the $900 10-18mm. I just wish a company would make an affordable AF 12mm for the APSC lineup for vlogging.
This is a great camera but it could've been a lot better if they used the new menu system as well as 4k 120fps. Although that would translate to probably adding 1-2k to the price. 😬 Would still love to have this and be satisfied though.
Waiting for prices to drop below $1k on the Sony a6600, which is when I’ll be adding one of those to my camera roster. Excited to pick that one up. Any thoughts on when the price may actually drop down to that level???
Sony is targeting people like me who bought an a6000, want to stay with a rangefinder style camera, and haven't felt the need to upgrade. This should've been called the a7000. People who wanted an a7III already have one.
This, 2 years later with my a6k I'm fully aware of it's limitations and am ready to step into a newer model and was looking at the a6600 before this and thought wow the perfect upgrade to my setup and now the a7C comes out and I'm like DUDE. A flippy outty screen and a full frame sensor, sure it's like 400 more then a a6600 but It's everything I could need and more. I have looked into a used a7 iii body but as a screen shooter the full rotation of the a7c calls out to me, sure the ibis isn't as good but I'm sure in it'll be patched in the next FW but coming from the a6k which has no ibis of any kind I'll take poor functioning over none at all. I love the aps-c sensor and the ability to exploit it with zoom lens like a 55-300 or a 100-400 and with sony's smart zoom of 1.4x and if you're crazy add a 1.4x optical you have an insane Zoom setup for wildlife/astro photography.
Exactly, well said. Also, I don't think it's much worse than A7iii, especially that it has same sensor and BETTER AF.
100% agree with that, I'm an a6000 user and have been kinda dreading upgrading to a full frame because it won't fit in my preferred EDC bag. This smaller body style full frame camera meets all my upgrading expectations but still fits in my bag. It's a great camera to bridge the user gap between the APS-C and full frame users.
+1, and, is that yoohyeon?
Am also looking to switch to ff from a6000 but a7c price is steep.
Jason, amazing video, I own the A7siii and recently got the a7c. I sold my a7iii 5 months ago. My a7c can do everything and more. Sometimes I have to shoot weddings for 5 hours in a gimbal. And the pain in my arms was horrible. Now I have a setup that offers me everything I wanted. I love the old school menus because I used it for many years and my editing workflow is so smooth. A7c is for me.
Its the little things like the one card slot, old menu, lack of the full touch screen, 1/4000 shutter speed and the 1/160 flash sync speed that really bother me Jason its not good enough for a camera priced at this level. This is priced above the a7iii here in Australia
If the price wasn't as expensive, I am sure people wouldn't be complaining that much. But 1800$ for this camera? Thats a bit too much!
Would have paid more $ if it had 10Bit, command dials, a joy-stick, and some custom buttons- and it would have fit on this body for sure.
The price may be a little high, but it's still cheaper than the a73 and its tough to balance some of the compromises you mention against the new features that the camera offers over the a73. I really don't think the price is the key issue. For me, it comes down to whether you think you could get some use out of a full frame camera with a smaller form factor and small lenses in circumstances where you otherwise wouldn't take your a73 or a7r3 set up. I think it may be worth a try to some people who want full frame quality but just don't typically grab their full frame camera and lens in circumstances where they may grab a small full frame camera like this with a small lens on it. I think I may be one of those who tries it out.
Steven Nichols yes we all want different things but this one is not for me the 1/4000 shutter speed alone is a big problem for me.
@@stevennichols9103 It's not cheaper than the a7iii once you factor in exchange rates and rrp in different countries. They're the exact same price in Singapore (which effectively means it's more expensive since I'm paying more for a cheaper camera).
Price is the absolute key issue, there was little R&D that went into this since they're just re-using parts/clearing inventory for the coming a7iv.
If they kept the dual SD slots, front and back dial, just 2 custom buttons alone. I would be more than happy to pay $1800 for it. The flippy screens and better AF is very attractive.
But they nerfed it to the ground and put a ff sensor into a body where it's impossible to shoot manually.
People hating on it secretly want one.😜
i'm just genuinely confused by it, but i could see a street photographer using it with small primes. Sony seems to market it for vloggers, but it's missing a lot of vlogging nice-to-haves
Nope.
Nope
I think because anything new is expected to have all New specs. But with 2018 specs people complain.
No.
I'm a borderline fanboy & I hate it.
It's obviously made so there's room for A7Cii & A7Ciii just by adding existing features/buttons instead of creating actual improvements or innovations along the way.
Love the compactness. Making it small makes it easier to bring around.
It's a A73 with a flippy screen, That one addition alone is going to make this the perfect camera for a lot of people.
It’s funny. I have been shooting Sony for 4 years now. I own the A9II , A7rIV and the 6600. Love them all. I just got the Canon R6 with the 15-35 RF. I love that camera and the way it feels in my hands plus great auto focus and IBIS. Never been a fan boy of any brand. They are tools and all do different things.
I blame the "influencers" they get gear from the manufacture and then they say "We are not going to be biased" and they are... It's simple Sony A7C camera is good for 2016-2017 but not 2020 and we are almost in 2021....
Of all types of communities - automotive, audio, aviation, etc., I found the photography community is the most toxic.
I am mot sure about hifi world though. It's pretty bad there as well...😉
Try the League of Legends community then
You haven’t been around much.
People crying and complaining about cameras and theyir features (or lack thereof) nowadays should be forced to use a film camera for a few months.... life for photographers was wayyy tougher before and that didn’t stop them from taking amazing shots! 😄👍🏼
Love your videos Jason!
For photography, honestly it doesn't matter much anymore. Any modern camera can take good pictures unless you're a sports/wildlife photographer or someone who needs special features. It's the ergonomics that's really underwhelming. No dials, no custom buttons. No dual SD slot.
And also, it doesn't make sense to compare it to film. That's like saying if I complain the trains are always late I should try walking across the country to see what it was like in 1800.
Professional Potato 🤔hmmm.... not comparing a modern train to walking... more like comparing a modern train to a steam train of back in the day. Cause it’s the same concept just different technology
@@royrodriguez4779 Still, I don't quite agrree. I understand and agree that limitations are important to learn the basics and it also helps with creativity, but at the same time technology has improved and we should try to take advantage of it. Also, in some situations, limitations could be counter-productive, e.g. wedding photography with film. Realistically, we are spoilt for choice. But I would still want something that makes this hobby and profession enjoyable. And I don't think there's anything wrong with demanding the features that will make life more enjoyable.
to be honest, as a vlogging camera, this is already good enough. although i am still interested and excited for the A7IV, i think this would be the camera I get for vlogs.
I’m a Sony shooter and I was really encouraged as the initial rumours were for a budget full frame to compete with the Canon RP. What we got was an a7iii with upgraded autofocus & flippy screen, in a body with less dials & less custom buttons at a AU$300 higher price, or more like $700 more if you shop around. It needed to be priced much lower or specked much higher, they did neither.
Personally I think it’s an excuse to recycle some unused components from old stock and then justify a price hike for the a7iv when that gets released.
it's just a flip screen full frame at a lower price point than the a7siii - vloggers will buy it, good idea from sony imo.
I don’t think its the hate of the compact. I think its the pricing and the similarities with the A7iii. 1 SD card and the bad EVF. I also dont like the EVF placement on all A6000 line up. Mostly the small esthetic that people like me preferred over.
For me the main issue with this body is it costs more than the A7III but doesn't have the same features like a 1/4000th shutter. If they priced it cheaper like maybe $2300 AUD and not $3300 AUD it would be a more compelling option. At its current price I'd rather a second A7III.
This is the camera I am getting, I haven't pre-ordered it and waiting for it to hit the shelves first but I know I'm just delaying the inevitable. I know that I just want a compact full frame to pair vintage glass and 55 1.8 ZA, and despite the issues it have it is still the camera that most fits my needs. Everyone have different needs so stop complaining.
Think this camera is actually pretty awesome and serves a great purpose, just think it could be a couple hundred dollars less given how close it is to the A7III. I currently have an A7RIII and a Panasonic GH5, G9, & GX8 that I use for most of my content creation for my YT channel, but I’m looking forward to picking up an A6600 to add to the Sony arsenal when the price finally drops below $1k at some point.
I actually really love how compact it is (without the huge lenses lol). I just think it would’ve been better if the price range is only SLIGHTLY higher than the aps-c line up. Don’t you think?
Thanks, Jason, for being a voice of reason and adding some perspective. I agree that folks should offer their thoughts, but everyone should remain calm - we are talking about a camera! Love your work and reviews, thanks again.
UA-camrs making people wasting their money. That's why people are getting mad
Totally agree. At the end of the day, a camera is just a tool to help you create and different tools do different jobs. For someone already with an A7 series camera, or any full frame mirrorless, this isn't for you. Just like if you're a photographer, the a7Siii isn't for you. Personally I don't see anything wrong with this camera besides the fact it's priced too closely to the A7iii. A price drop would make the A7c an absolute steal!
This is camera is more than fine for the price if you’re a Sony Shooter
@Alex Regiani go on, list all the full frame mirrorless that is 1800$ with good looking compact body and features that are the same or better than A7c also number of lenses that support that mount compare to E mount.
@Alex Regiani xt3 was good but lowlight sucks.
😂 great video! A7C would be a no brainer at a lower price point. At 1799, it’s just too close to the A7III for me not to grab. The flip screen is tempting but not worth it. No hate here either
Better autofocus for video than A7 III
@@tomghzel I changed my mind. I bought the A7C 😂
@@sergiogonzalez618 what changed your mind? happy with the decision?
@@kathenamarie3049 the better autofocus/flip out screen and the form factor. At the time the A7IV wasn’t really a factor either. Still very happy with the purchase!
I think others are thinking that every product a company is releasing is catered to everyone. but the thing is, there are all these different models for all the different niches. don't like the A7C? maybe you're not the target market? aka don't buy it. 🤷🏻♂️
Exactly. Clearly, it's an enthusiast camera, not a pro body.
I don't know why there's so much rant in this new camera, it's not replacing your favorite cam. I'm just glad that Sony added more options for their consumers to choose from.
If you want proper EVF, more dials and buttons then go for A7III. If you prefer the 10 bit video with 4k 120p then A7sIII.
But if you want the mix features of A7III and A7sIII with flippy screen, no record limit, real eye AF in video, good in low light with gyroscope metadata stabilization in a compact body with a cheaper price, then A7c it is.
There's no camera for everybody. The "Perfect Camera" is just a matter of preference.
They took away too many things from the A7iii. If they kept the dual SD, 1/8000 shutter, better flash sync, front dial and just 1 or 2 custom buttons, it wouldn't be so bad.
For someone who uses almost exclusively for still photography, at a roughly similar price point, which setup would you rather have... A6400 w 16-55 f2.8 or A7C with new 28-60 kit lens?
Honestly, I feel that the petty camera brand wars, that are being perpetuated by the Internet community, are going to hurt the camera industry in the long run.
For real I love this camera. I'd get one no lie.
It's true that say a 55mm f1.8 is an APS-C 35mm f1.2 which is rare to find even from Fuji (their's is f1.4) and Sony lenses are fairly light bodied. So the camera can grow and shrink as needed. The biggest let-down is no 10 BIT video, which the likes of Fuji have had for like 3 years, for now $1000. For grading and rescuing exposure 10 bit is so important that they really missed an opportunity here. Even 4K 60 could be forgiven as it's not used on every shot. A lot of people were convinced that the A7Siii's codecs would have made a limited appearance in this body. :(
The A7iii, at least in China, Japan, and maybe Korea, was kind of a success as a status symbol too. Obviously I can't say this for sure, I'm just basing this on what I heard from a few friends, both passionate and just interested in photography. The thing is, those friends are women. But none of them continued using the A7iii because of the WEIGHT! One those friend came to Italy last summer, but choose not to bring the a7iii, again because of the weight! She loves to take pictures, but couldn't see herself bringing around all day the a7iii with the kit lens.
As a stills-first camera for amateurs and enthusiast the A7c is more than enough(!), and if it can bring more people into photography, that's an AWESOME camera in my opinion
I am interested in the A7c to be used on a gimbal with a prime lens. The combination should be better than the full-sized A7III. What do you think?
Hey Jason, just to let you know that the reason I follow and watch your video is because you as a person always focus on the positive of something and how to make it work. On top of that, you do point out how it can improve and NOT COMPLAIN about it.
So please continue doing you 💕
And yes, this camera is not for everyone but it is for ppl like me who have been using a6 series and didn't make the jump to fullframe because of the size.
Lens option for travel: kit 28/60 + Sony 85 f1.8; Batis 25 + Zeiss 55; kit 28/60 + Zeiss 55; Sony 35 + Sony 85; Tarmon 24 +Zeiss 55. People with full frame A7c won’t accept low image quality as otherwise apsc would be a better choice for travel light.
I will probably buy this camera as an experienced enthusiast coming from a 6000 series. Thank you for calling out the people that over reacting to this.
Very good features and performance for $1200, not $1800. Nothing else to say.
I was here to put your comment, but comment was already done! agree 100%!
In europe it's priced 2300 €.
Sony sells its 6600 with an aps-c sensor for 1400. The a7C meets or beats the 6600 on every spec AND boasts a full frame sensor. Explain your logic for why Sony should therefore sell an a7C for less than a 6600.
@@RageCage1701 Canon RP, $999. Next?
@@RageCage1701 sony has the technique its about givin it to those pigs. We have a pricin point for those pigs and we gonna shuffle it.
Thanks for the update.
I shot Sony and while the A7c is a great camera on its own, why there's no A7 iv compact already?
Sony's product strategy is very hesitant, to put it midly.
SERIOUSLY!! I think it's good that there are many review videos with different perspectives from different creators. People are funny, lol.
My only complaint is that it's too close to a7iii's price. If it was just a little cheaper I would buy it without hesitation
Tbh the A73 felt small enough in my hands even if it isn't light. A7C is just magnifying that issue. If they're like Leica then they would've stuck to smaller lens designs when they're bodies are so small
Jason, hating a product that nobody is under obligation to buy is, well, as you say: part of too much hate being around these days.
When I bought the A7 early on I was very happy, not in the least because it seemed to be small. When the later marks grew in size I stayed put withe A7 but with the improvements in the mark III I bought myself into the heavier body, it felt like biting a bullet though. The A7c would be very appealing to me except that I don’t buy bodies every other year. The mileage of you pro people varies, of course. I’ll follow in about another 2 years’ time! Peace!
Cheers Mr. Vong, I wouldn't be here (a few months late) if I thought you were full of it, when you and Danny were in the hotel room doing your best to set up for the launch of the A7III, hilarious both so excited and it was all raw and fantastic. Informative and accurate that's what people want and that's what you provide. And let us not forget that Great woman Vivienne.
Maybe lockdown has got a few people annoyed and looking to vent. Anyhow you provide it and we watch it, thank you.
Your videos are soo well put together and informational. Your sense of humor is well received.
Aw love man!! Thanks for the shoutout right there! I have a love hate relationship with the camera but then again, it's a camera that probably isn't targeted so much to the enthusiast crowd.
I dont get why this camera exists. Do you think people wanted a slightly smaller body than the already incredibly small A7 series, or did they want 4k60 with 10-bit internal recording?
4k 60p (even in 8-bit) would have really separated this camera from the a7iii. Such a shame it's still only 30p.
dont want to effect a7s III / a7 IV market...
That intro was next level 🤣, great to see you back UA-cam brother. Love how your addressing the internet getting up in arms over camera gear. Always appreciate your reviews and tutorials 🙌🏻
“Some may say it’s small... but it’s really how you use it”
Thank you Jason for taking a balanced view, I fully agree too many you tubers seem to knock every thing Toneh seems to think his in ability to use a camera makes it faulty.... what’s that about! Gordon Laing of camera labs is very balanced about all the cameras he reviews points out the positive and less positive features, he’s not reviewed this model yet don’t know why Sony haven’t sent him one to test. Chris and Jordan give a balanced review with some humour added, even camera conspiracies who’s who channel is about finding the perfect camera for his needs as a clogger finds positive stuff to say! Not every one is interested in video , folk don’t give a toss about 10 bit. People have different hand sizes, if you’ve got big hands go buy a 1DX, if you have small hands, and want some thing to go in an every day bag then this size of camera is perfect, and as you say lots of small light lenses. The tamron wide angles would be great for street photography on this body get better resolution than the rx series although they are awesome for their size. Keep up the good work and stay healthy 😍
Hey Jason, haters are gonna hate, your videos are always enjoyable and your opinion to me was never biased. Ignore the hate comments, seems like internet these days is a place for people to vent, you can’t blame them, they have been locked in too long
I am with you in this, as a A7iii user I don’t want to spend the extra money for a camera that still have the old menu and no 4k60...... I like the smaller size , but these 2 aspects were a must
Very well said Jason. Let us not spread negativity. There is no such thing as perfect camera.
The people who gripe are the specs nerds or the a7III owners looking for an upgrade. The a7C is not for them. It is for those looking for FF quality in a compact kit, and those thinking of a6600 as well.
There was a reason for me to get the a6600. I want a more compact kit than my a7RIII. It's that simple. I would consider the a7C for this, although FF lens tends to be larger than apsc. But can consider the Samyang 18, 45, 75, Sony 35F1.8, Zeiss 55 etc.
Keep up the great work Jason! Still trying to decide if it's worth upgrading my a6400 to a full frame or not. I'm so torn because I don't know if a full frame is that much better than my 6400
In Relation to 9:25 min.
Until rx100 with babysensor hasn't grown up, I would choose the Ricoh GR III with APSC!
And yes, we all are here because you're so handsome 😉
Don't mind the haters, people who waste their time focusing on the content creator instead of the actual products and info, are just shouting to the world how unhappy and lonely they are: they're not seeking technical and practical data, they're looking for idols and friends. They're not followers, they're fans. Don't lose your time on them, you create awesome content, you spend countless hours and effort on bringing good content, whoever criticize you, you may ask them "ok and what's your contribution to the community? What have you been giving all of us lately for free?" People could just be more grateful and practical sometimes. Move forward, Vong, keep up the great work.
Jason
Why don’t you do a side by side comparison of the a6600 with a kit lens or 16-70 lens and the 7c with the kit lens or a 24-105 lens. Compare price, features, size, weight, picture quality and any other quality you see fit. That would be very interesting.
Not negative evaluation but real
In your bit about lenses the 35mm 2.8 (sony or Samyang) is the ideal lens for this camera. if the camera had been right it's the lens that would stay on the camera for me. Also the 18mm Samyang is tiny and using each of these in crop mode gives a nice simple and very small setup.
Negativity is good, it will make 2 monopoly camera manufacturers ( Sony & Canon ) work harder. Otherwise you only get super expensive A7SIII with 4k 120fps or the 3 year old A7III in APC body as A7C .
Personally the ZV-1 and a7C are good for what you are paying for. I look forward to the a7iv. However the a7C is a great camera to replace the a7iii. And light like my a6600 and would be my go to for walking and talking like the a6600
I dont mind with smaller size and the form factor of the A7C.. i actually lilke smaller cameras because i like it for hiking and with the silver color it looks amazing....the only thing that concerns me with this camera is the view finder.. it looks freaking small...i havent used one but it looks like a deal breaker for someone like me who is more into photos than videos after seeing some reviews of this..
I have an A7iii and an A6400. I haven’t looked at the A7c much because it’s not for me. The A7iii is not that much larger than the A6400 but I got that mainly for the much cheaper lenses.
A7c looks like to me, Sony's take of Canon's EOS Rp. But at a much worse pacakge. At that range, Nikon's Z5 is a much better deal/camera pacakge. All the specs of a A7III/Z6, shaving off some features especially in video capabilities, and sell at real low prices. A perfect tool for the serious photographer who may want to bring a cheaper lower spec'ed body every single day with them in the bag just to practice, experiement, mess around, enjoy shooting, but without the fear of causing huge damage to their workhorse gear through daily usage. And great as an entry body. Exactly as they said, expand your digital playground. Where as EOS R6 costs a huge amount(due to all the new sensor and video feature craps), EOS Rp has one card slot and no IBIS(somewhat OK for daily use though), but is really cheap for a daily camera. A7c here is more expansive than both rp and z5(maybe due to it's new and price will decrease over time, but sill,) with worse specs. Most people shooting with Sony shouldn't really be bothered with this body, they're perfectly fine with their A7III, or their APS-c would render this not much an upgrade. The problem is with Sony who invest time and cost on these, potentially making a loss on the project, instead of using that resource on refreshing and work more on their best lens lines. 85GM has been beaten by RF85, both image quality and with its ancient slow focus speed. And 70-200 GM till this date is still not as good as either 70-200E nor EF 70-200 II/III, nor say the RF70-200. Both os these are close to their 5 year mark, and should be due for a refresh given how the new RF and Z mount counterparts are both better.
Glad to see another video Jason.
As beginner that I've just got my a6400 sony I will stick with it for now.
Low budget and the kit lens came with it makes me dig for a dedicated lens for landscape.
But.
The more i dig the more confused i get on what should i buy 😂😂.
So, please help needed here.
1. Beginner
2. Apsc camera sony a6400
3. Lanscape
4. What lens for it in the 400-700 euro range?
Much appreciated for your videos and help, thank you!!
The price is the big issue with this camera, if it was £400 cheaper or so then it could be in a better position but right now it's more expensive than the A7iii where I am which is just not viable.
Nikon just made the same mistake releasing the Z5 at a price point which is too close to the Z6. The Z6 often goes on sale to a price below the price of the Z5 so any smart buyers know they shouldn't even bother with the Z5.
you simply can't satisfy everyone. I think you made a great first look video. This camera might just be the perfect niche product for Sony FE. It's not for me and as the comments suggest not for some other people either, but the way you voice an opinion says a lot about your character.
I’m that guy :) haha 😂 Great intro
overheating guy, we know
One of your best video in years! Love this vid right here thanks, now please make a vid customizing the buttons we have available since "we are missing the custom ones" please
Mr Vong!! Welcome back!! I too am back from a social media break... woosah 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽 I even now am choosing to only open one app per day and only for no more than a few minutes 😅 I personally chose to buy the a6600 recently over this camera because it fits my needs more than this does. I enjoy the smaller form factor and flip “up” screen over flip side. And the extra custom bottoms are important to me as well. When I want full frame I just grab one of my my a7Riii bodies and I’m good to go. But there is still a place for the smaller and lighter apsc line 😅
This is actually close to a model which would tempt me to move to full frame. I'd actually be happy if they had a similar camera at a lower price with only basic video capability and a tilt screen similar to the one on the a6300. I don't need "pro" features like a dual card slot or advanced video features etc. and am unwilling to pay for features I don't need. I shoot almost exclusively stills (street and travel) and a compact weather sealed full frame rangefinder style camera with IBIS would fit me like a glove.
The only reason on why I hate the Sony A7C is the fact that I can’t afford it 💁🏻♂️😏
I think that the hate has gotten out of hand... And as for the photo environment, I think that too many pros are getting their hands on products that weren't specifically designed and/or manufactured for them.
I am a beginner photographer and I have an a6000. I would get this instead of a full size camera, mainly because it doesn't have all the whistles that I know that I don't need.
IMHO this combo (a7C with the retractable kit lens) makes perfect sense.
It's all about compromises, but in terms of image quality, consider that for an APS-C camera like a6600 (same weight as a7C), you would need something like *18-40 f/2.8-3.5* to get the equivalent background blur and ISO performance. That's similar to what Fuji did with 18-55 f/2.8-4, although Fuji's lens is a bit larger and has a bit of extra reach at the telephoto end.
For a f/2.8 zoom on a Sony APS-C, you would need the $1400 Sony 16-55mm F2.8G, a 3x heavier and 2.5x longer lens than the new 28-60 kit.
And the a7C still allows you to use bright f/1.4 and f/1.8 FF primes, or those tiny Samyang AF f/2.8 primes (which again give you the image of a f/1.8 prime on an APS-C).
I agree with you that there is too much rage on the net and on social media in particular. But the negative towards other brands is really old, it dates back to the analog age where Nikon and Canon users had a jab against each other on a regular basis, it’ as annoying now as it where back then. Personally I just think that that negative has become much more noticeable because of social media.
You where absolutely right that the brand doesn’t really matter as much today as it did back in the old days, in all fairness the difference is relatively small due to the fact that allot of the different products uses parts from the same manufacturers for examples Sony, so just pick the one you like the most and that suit your needs is the right approach.
Regarding the Sony A7C I still don’t get it, The regular A7 where already reasonably compact, you could easily toss a compact prime on it and it would be as compact as a FF could be without compromising too much on ergonomics. The A7C just isn’t that much more compact, I also think that has been the biggest criticism of the product that for the very slight reduction is size you loose allot of ergonomics. However I do agree with you that your not meant to use the very expensive and huge Pro lenses on it, however your where not meant to do that either with the regular A7, those lenses where primarily meant for A9 and A7R. The A7 where meant to be used with the Sony, Tamron, Samyang branded lenses.
Pros: (1) Flip OUT screen (2) UHS 2 faster card reader (3) USB C (4) Improved faster auto focus down to lower EV-4 (5) Full frame 4k 30fps. (6) IBIS. (7) Nice port flaps.
Cons: (1) Expensive (2) kit lens has NO OIS!!!! (3) Crop in 4k 30 fps video recording mode. (4) IBIS is poor especially since the kit lens doesn't have OIS.
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Red, arri and panavision only use single cards.... must not be “pro” cameras
Wrong. Different workflows require different stuff to worry about. Professional productions have Data Technician to take care of swaping cards or SSDs and copying footage. But with us lone wolf, we need those dual card slots. I'm sure A7c doesnt need a second slot, but comparing this with pro cameras is making non-sense
Dumb.
I think the camera was delayed due to COVID-19 and the R5, R6. Sony has to respond asap with the A7SIII, and this got pushed further back. The biggest problem is the A7C has the BIONZ X and not the XR.
We have seen the promised land in the A7SIII with it's greater processing power resulting in faster, better focusing, lower rolling shutter, touch screen menus and going back to the old style seems like a big backwards move in 2020.
If this had come out in early 2020, the reception would have been much more positive instead of meh. We now know what the A7IV will have and it seems smarter to wait for that.
Nice video, with a very pertinent editorial topic. I just purchased the A7C and I love it: for my needs. I read a lot of reviews about how the XT-4 is a better camera. Maybe for some Fuji is a better system, but I don’t need all the ergonomics, and I was craving to move to full frame. I have held on to my trusty a6000 for the past 7-8 years, and NEX-6 before that, and Nex-5n before that. Moving to full frame feels very good, having been patiently waiting with my APS-C systems.
Again, good job on your videos, especially this one.
Cheers, from Montreal
Disagree with the opening sentiment. I agree with the “compact camera no compact lenses”. This fully reflects my sentiments. If there was a high quality sharp lens at a wide angle, I would have totally spent that full frame $$$
I’ll take this camera anytime over the A7III. People don’t get that this camera was designed for vloggers that want to step up their video quality a notch. I’ll probably buy it after I spend my savings on the A7SIII 🤩! Keep the good work!
I agree with you totally this Camera definitely seems to have copped it, I have reviewed it and copped more negativity on facebook about this camera than any camera I have reviewed. I personally am buying it due to it's compactness for on the go vlogging and also as a second to my A7siii. I am also excited as you said to what this leads to in further models. Big up to you Jason for putting this out there, and love watching all your video's. 👍😀📷🇦🇺
To make a compact setup, the Sony Ziess 24-70 lens is a good fit. Having said that, if this camera had the custom buttons and layout of the a6600, I would consist. They simply stripped too much.
Hey Jason. I am so glad you are back. I value your feedback. I would like your opinion. I had an A6300 that I sold to buy the BMPCC 4K in July. I bought an A6600 in May and love it. I am starting to do “concert like” photography for my church. I am thinking of moving to full frame. I want to stay with the Sony ecosystem. I am looking for a photography camera mainly as the BMPCC 4K is my video camera. Do you recommend the A7iii or something else. I want to stay in the $2000 range for the body.
YES< We will complain! That is what keeps them on their toes and keep improving cameras. If we all happy the camera companies might rest... NEVER! ALL CAMERAS SUCK! All people are awesome! Wow there is tons of sarcasm in this!
I like the camera I'm gonna get it but not at the release price. AUD retail @ $3200 lol. I'd rather a used a7r3 for $2600
The „hate“ is higher price for worse package than the A7 III. Simple as that.
It's higher only because A7iii has been on the market for a few years. When A7iv is launched, A7c will be the least expensive Sony FF camera. This is so obvious that it surprises me people don't see it. Also, A7c has much better AF than A7iii, same menu system and same sensor so I don't see this "worse package", given it's not targeted at pros, but enthusiasts.
@@andrzejjaniak6849 You are mistaken. When the A7 IV is launched, the least expensive Sony FF will still be und continue to be the A7 III (with modern specs. The A7 and A7 II are still sold).
@@coffeetimefun You must live in a very special place, where the A7 III is 200 bucks more expensive. Almost everywhere else it is the other way round. In Germany, where I live, the A7C sells for 2100€ body only, and the A7III for 1800€. And I would always pick the A7 III because I need redundancy with dual card slots, usability with buttons and AF-joystick and an EVF that is actually usable for all day work. And we haven’t talked about the grip yet. The A7C has gimmicks, while the A7 III has essentials.
@@andreasbuder4417 the a7 is no longer being sold new.
@@andreasbuder4417 Unless you are a pro who shoots weddings, I would go for a smaller package and better AF than dual card slots and joystick. The new AF will be in A7iv and A7iv will be more expensive than A7c.
I appreciate your straight forward videos. I like that when you feel something is lacking in a camera you give your opinion in a professional manner without being hateful.
With this smaller FF camera coming out, my thoughts are once again brought to the old 18-105 f/4 lens, which was only APS-C. I’m still kind of frustrated by the fact that there isn’t any equivalent lens for FF, especially since it used to take care of most of what I did before upgrading. And while I know that the FF bodies can use the crop lenses, I’d really like to make use of the full sensor, ya know? Such a lens, if full frame, would be the perfect companion to this camera, IMO.
As someone who just picked up at a7iii probably would have waited to grab a a7c, but the announcement came a month after my purchase so rip.
It looks like its gonna offer the same level of photographic quality, but with a smaller package and cheaper price
Not really picking it up for the video so the lack of 4k doesn't bother me.
Love your content Jason, wish people could take the info and the content and not throw labels on the creator, glad that you're back!!
Yaaaaay Jason quoted me in a video 🤩🤩
I think Philip DeFranco said it best, haters help pay the bill too.
At the end of the day, if the tool gets the job done, that’s all it matters. I’m shooting on Canon 6D for years and no one said a word. 🤫
Its sad people get angry at a7c yet i just ordered one because i prefer smaller camera rather bring big camera
Sigma FP was attracting a set of us users needing small form. This is just 10mm longer and has ibis, viewfinder, grip and Sony focus.
I appreciate your take on things because, like you, I use Sony. I am heavily invested in Sony bodies and lenses and have no interest in Canon, Nikon, Fuji or Panasonic even if they occasionally produce a superior product.
I have the A7SIII on pre-order but as my b-cam, selling my A6600 and going for the A7C. I've always wanted an RX-1ish compact full frame - the new menus would have been nice, but I can live with the old system. 4K60p would have been nice too, but I'm still one of the hold outs. For my needs HD is enough cause I like the smaller file sizes and reduced rolling shutter. Will enjoy getting max versatility out of my small sony primes - I use the 20mm F1.8, 28m F1.8 and the 55mm F1.8 in both full frame, super 35 mode and also using the clear image zoom. Hope that in v2 of this cam they include new menu, 4K60 and 10-bit color.
I love it. Already own an a7iii and an a5100. Considering upgrading the 5100 to a 6100, or selling off all my aps-c gear and going in on the A7C with the kit lens. Thoughts?
Great video and you nailed on the head about camera reviews these days. Not sure if negative reviews are what people want to see, or whether they are just click bait which draws viewers. A great example is the Canon R5/R6. I am sick of videos with the word "overheating" in the title. Click bait. People perpetuates negativity even if the issue will never affect them. I've said this before, solve the overheating by putting in a fan, but the camera ends up being heavier. People will then complain about the weight and size. So what do people want?
I think the main problem is the price - it seems the A7C is more expensive than the A73 everywhere outside the U.S.. It's recycling of old parts plus it's crippled in some ways compared to the (300 Eur) cheaper A73.
Thanks for the lens run down for Sony Full Frame. I'm on the Sony A6400 and been wondering what best to get for vlog and all round. SIgma 16, Sony 10-18, Sony FE 16-35 F4 or Sony 16-55. The 2 that have image stabilisation have poor low light. Nice to have choice though right :)
This may the best video I’ve ever seen from you. KEEP IT UP DAWG!
I like the stiling of the Sony A7c very much with the EVF out to the very side of the camera, I hope that all future A7/A9 Sony cameras will have this design, but with larger EVF in higher resolution.