dB Technologies IG4T ( The Sleeper System) - Complete Review - Authorized Dealers and Users
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- This video is on the IG4T and Ingenia Series speakers from dB Technologies " the sleeper series" the best kept secret of dB Technologies. You will be amazed at the output , size and ease of setup with the Ingenia boxes. These speakers are AMAZING ! We have rented out these to other sound companies and they have been so impressed they want the same system !
We are a "mobile church". One day we replaced our Bose F1/812 top with a IG4T owned by a church member. I can say that dB Tech IG4T definitely sounded better than a Bose F1/812. Vocals were fuller. As with the Bose, we did not have any feedback issues. We used the same 18" sub (not Bose), only the top was changed. The dispersion is also wider.
Thanks for watching and your comments...the IG4T with a sub for live is an amazing sounding system.
If you are sitting on the fence getting these, just go ahead and bite the bullet. We've run IG4T's with KW181s (for now) and these speakers are absolutely insane. The clarity is amazing.
A pair of IG4T's and a pair of KW181s will do 350-400 people no problem. Especially when stacked.....absolutely out of this world and they look sexy as heck. We have since sold all of our QSC 2-ways with the exception of a couple of K10s that we use for monitors, fills, small venue work, etc. 99% of the time, the IG4Ts will be used for DJ playback...
Yes, the IG4T is a sleeper speaker that more folks need to hear and see. We do events of 1000 with a pair per side and 2 x 18 subs each side. With 900WRMS of power, they do the job and more.
Thank you for all your wonderful videos
I would love to see a vs video Yorkville Parasource Psa1 vs Ig4t if possible.
Heard the Parasource. Was not impressed. Head to head comparisons really can be of only like speaker systems such as RCF NXL24 or the FBT CLA406.
Forgive my English, Google Translate! Great review, congratulations! I was determined to buy the NX L24 system, but now I was in doubt, because this ingenia system is phenomenal! If you were to buy a system, which two would it be? I'll use two units per side, which subwoofer would tell me to follow this system! thank you!
Thanks for watching the videos ! I love our IG4Ts and many clients that have purchase IG4T have found them to be their speaker of choice. The IG3T is good as well, but for column height and coverage I like the IG4T best when coupled with a subwoofer. Look at the SUB18H from db Tech. We use the FBT SUBLINE 218SA and find them a perfect match for the IG4T , but any good powered subwoofer with a crossover will do very well with the IG4T's
John, how does the Ingenia series compare to the RCF HD or ART 7 series? In terms of vocal or music clarity. Thanks.
I think better, the IG4T is my favorite, as the tall column has great dispersion in the H x V, different animals so to speak but I like the output, coverage, weight and best the scalability to do 2 per side and have a small amount of digital steering
I bought a pair from full compass and they're on back order so I'm still waiting to hear em. However, i also am tempted to get a pair of ig1t to use for ceremony sound. Can the ig1ts stack onto the ig4ts if I want to use all the speakers for bigger shows?
No, not the same set up, the brackets will work, but no IR link, etc. only can use like boxes for inverted stacking.
Please do a video of the ig3t I want to seee the 10” woofers
Will see what we can do...
110 degree horizontal and 90 degree vertical pattern... Pretty impressive. So one of these (or two stacked) will cover almost any dance floor I play on. Sounds like this is a system that can do fine on just one side or centered. Am I wrong?
yup, easily!
if you compare that to the FBT cla406a sir. Which is better In terms in sound quality?
They are going to be really close in sonic quality as drivers, and crossover points are very close. The FBT is heavier but is WOOD box and offers a bit better protection against resonance of the enclosure.
Fantastic.
Will these completely outrun a db sub 15h? I don’t want 18 inch bins as we often play in very small venues. I’d prefer 15 inch bins.... I’m sure the bins would give up way before the ig4t. I was thinking then down the line we could stack a 2nd set of 15h bins to more evenly match the ig4t in larger rooms?
They will .... you can always adjust the volume so that the boxes are even in SPL. Your idea of adding another 15 is good. We have 2 of the IG4T per side and they will outrun a double 18" sub. The IG series speakers will not disappoint you at all... very nice sound and output and 900WRMS...we love the IG4T we use in our production.
trinityprosound thanks for the reply! I might just go for the ig2t - if it really is close to something like a yamaha dsr12? It seems like it would be a better match for the sub15h. Then would have the option of doubling the entire system eventually which should be quite formidable!!
the IG2T should sound very good with a SUB15H, a good match for the size of the sub and top box and the 2T power factor should run close to the SUB15H for output levels.
Hi.Thank you for this channel.
i run a 718xlf with a 712PRX 1 a side P.A at the moment. Im looking to upgrade to a powerful 1sub/1top a side system. I have had the 718xlf next to the dbtech 18h and the prx beats the 18h in my opinion. maybe the DVA KS10 sub could be a better upgrade.
1.Whats the difference between the IG3t and the IG4t and will they be able to beat a 712prx hands down?Which one would you recommend is better value for money. we are looking for warm tone and small footprint.
2.What powerful sub can i match with it in the db tech range or any range?
We do large rock bands and DJ clubs so we need subs that can pack a punch.
3.What about the NXL24 range matched with the sub 8004? is this not a better option? its slightly less expensive.
4.FBT also an option? You seem to be a bigger fan of the RCF and DB tech stuff.
Thank you for your time.
i run a 718xlf with a 712PRX 1 a side P.A at the moment. Im looking to upgrade to a powerful 1sub/1top a side system. I have had the 718xlf next to the dbtech 18h and the prx beats the 18h in my opinion. maybe the DVA KS10 sub could be a better upgrade. THE 18H IS A GOOD MID RANGE SUB, FOR SOMETHING A BIT MORE, FBT SUBLINE 118SA HAS MORE POWER AS WELL AS RCF SUB 8003 OR 8004 THE KS10 IS GOOD BUT THE VIO 18" SINGLE 18 IS KILLER, IT IS PRICEY BUT OMG IT IS AMAZING FOR A SIGNLE 18 SUB
1.Whats the difference between the IG3t and the IG4t and will they be able to beat a 712prx hands down?Which one would you recommend is better value for money. we are looking for warm tone and small footprint. THEY WILL BLOW AWAY THE PRX BOXES, I LIKE THE IG4T BUT THE IG3T WITH DUAL 10'S AS A BIT BETTER LOW END RESPONSE. THE THING WITH THE IG SERIES IS THAT THEY CAN BE STACKED WITH OUT THE ISSUE OF TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING WITH TRAP BOXES LIKE THE PRX, THOSE WERE NOT DESIGNED TO COUPLE SINCE PATTERN IS SO WIDE IN THE PRX BOXES
2.What powerful sub can i match with it in the db tech range or any range?
We do large rock bands and DJ clubs so we need subs that can pack a punch. THE FBT OR DB TECH VIO SUBS MENTIONED ABOVE
3.What about the NXL24 range matched with the sub 8004? is this not a better option? its slightly less expensive. THE RCF AND FBT ARE SIMILAR TO THE DB TECH THE IG4T AND IG3T ARE LESS COSTLY THAN RCF OR FBT, BUT ARE INJECTION MOLDED SPEAKERS VS. WOOD. THE 8004 IS AN AMAZING SUB. EVERYONE THAT HAS PURCHASED FROM US IS BLOWN AWAY WITH OUTPUT
4.FBT also an option? You seem to be a bigger fan of the RCF and DB tech stuff. FBT IS ALWAYS AN OPTION AND WE SELL A FAIR AMOUNT, BUT RCF AND DB ARE THE MAIN LINES WE GET ASKED ABOUT
Thank you so much for your professional approach.
last quick question, what do you prefer. (keeping in mind i would rather stick with one brand if possible. Just easier with maintenance and matching)
1- IG3t or IG4t or RCF NXL24? best allrounder?
2-sub 8004 or DVA ks10 or DVA s1518n or FBT 118sa?(vio sub is too expensive)
Thank you
The IG series are much lighter and easier for set up and have some steering ability that NXL24 does not. The NXL24 sound very good as well, and I like the longer length of the IG4T or NXL24 vs. the IG3T to get better coverage IMO. You will not beat the 8004 for output, but, the FBT118SA is right in there as well. So, if i were to go with ONE mfr. it would be RCF with the NXL24 and SUB8004's, a bit heavy but sound and output , well, amazing...
thank you.
because i like speaker but some restaurant they just 15amp for all conection electric. i read about manual they said about 20amp for 1 speaker . can you double check it . thanks
You can put 2-3 of them on 15A ckt, as long at that is all that is on ckt. just make sure your are running #14 or #12 ga. wire for power feeds to avoid issues. anything smaller over distance will cause power drop.
Great channel! Quick question, we currently have KW181s and recently picked up an RCF 905asII with the 2200 watt amp since the price was too good to pass up. I saw your response to the other fella regarding with pairing to the KW181. I should have no issue running an IG4T or dual stacked IG1T's with the RCF 905 correct? Thanks in advance. I'm leaning towards these and was also considering the NX L24a's....
The IG4T will outrun you sub hands down. The 2200 watts is peak, so around 1100 watts RMS power, QSC might be 600 watts RMS on a good day. For the IG1T, yes dual stacked should be fine. We can get a IG4T to outrun a double 18 in some instances....the NXL24 are nice as well, but IMO not as versatile as the IG4T's dual stacked the IG4T has more features to them and lighter :-)
You are close to us...if you need pricing, call us....we offer excellent pricing and support 209-832-8023, out in the Valley No. Calif.
Yes we are in the Valley...we don't stock those would have to order them in. Yes we are the ones that work with Duy...
Hi. what do you think about the dbtech DVAS1518N sub? You said rcf 8004 or dbtech vio subs are great. Why not this sub. Specs on the DVAS1518N sub looks great.
im gonna run the subs with my FBT Promaxx 114a new addition and later buy the ingenia ig3 tops. then i can run the promaxx as monitors.
Thank you for your time.
The 1518N is a great single 18" sub and has the latest G2 amp and great drivers in it, but it is about $1000 more than the 8004 from RCF, specs are close and with the added power they can get a wee bit more from the 1518N for max SPL. I just wish DB had a sub between this and the SUB18H. The 18H is decent, but the 8004 is my favorite single 18" in the mid price point arena...the VIO single 18" is AMAZING, but does cost quite a bit more...
Which goes louder igt4 vs Rcf nxl24a? On paper Igt4 wins. Also which one does a better job on the vocals?
SPL is one thing , but we don't know what freq the max SPL readings were taken from either DB or RCF. Tonality the RCF has the lower xover point vs. DB, similar drivers for the cone speakers. The wood box does make some difference. The DB box has a better or more versatile DSP in them, either can be used in inverted pairs. Vocal wise, IMO, RCF wins due to the lower xover point and larger HF driver.
how many people max do you feel comfortable covering outdoors vs indoors? i dj and live band.
for single units per side with SUBS around 400-500, with dual stacks we are looking at about 1000 plus SUBS, we ran FBT dual 18's with them and sounded great.
@@trinityprosound can 2 per side do 100db at 100ft?
they will get close depending on music content. 2 per side really do a great job, indoors most likely can, outdoors close...
@@trinityprosound thank you, I know you're a busy man but you always take the time to reply I really appreciate it.
Do you think 1 per side ig4t with a single 18 or 15 like Rcf 705 sub or Avante18
inch sub would be ok?
The IG4T will out run that sub, you will need at least a single 18 to keep up with it. KS10 or SUB18H or RCF 8004 or 8003 or FBT SUBLINE 118 will pair nicely with the IG4T's
Do u prefer this over the Rcf nx745
They are not the same type of systems. We like the ease of set up and the weight factor of the IG series. But the sound from the NX45 is amazing with the large HF driver and low cross over point.
Hi Tinityprosound, other great review thank a lot ! this product is very similar than FBT Vertus CLA 406A, Wich one you prefer ?
They are very similar to each other but the db IG4T has same power as FBT and looks like same type and size of HF driver. only different is one is wood being FBT... the IG4T has more features such as vertical steering and built in crossovers. Also the weight is a factor and the IG4T for us wins...the 3 , being RCF, FBT and dB tech are all excellent column systems and when you combine 2 per side the results are short of amazing....
With 2 per side how many people can it cover outdoors with 4 x 2x18 sub? thank
We have done 700-1000 at decent levels for outdoor concerts in the park here locally. And, most of the audience was behind our FOH position due to shade trees since those were summer events. If the crowd was closer maybe more. Also, coverage will be greater if you can get the up higher and steer down the 10 degrees. We spec'd out a system for a high school in San Francisco for their theater that held 700 or so and no issues, we just had them put on the wall at around 16' to the top of the first box...their response was OMG !
Hello,
How would you compare this to the IG3T? Mostly working with large bands in large banquet halls for weddings and corporate
The IG3T does a bit better in the LF area...and sounds great, same power as IG4T and features. The 3Ts are a great speaker, but does need a subwoofer for full sound, as with the IG4T's. We did an event today with the IG4T and this series always makes me smile...and the band and crowd was blown away with the output. The IG3T is similar...they will amaze you !
I am trying to decide between the two series and having a hard time. What do you think of sideways sound dispersion?
No issus with the horizontal dispersion of the speakers. I like the IG4T the best since it is the tallest column of the 2 and 2 per side is most amazing for sound output. We did test with subs on and subs off and the LF from the IG4T's without subs was respectable at volume. The IG3T may do LF a bit better due to 10" drivers, but my pick is the IG4T's
Is this long throw like the Rcf evox speakers?
it has more SPL if that is what you mean. good focused vertical beaming as well. It does the sound to where it needs to be and does it very very well.
The ig2t vs the 732a mkIV???
Different animal....the IG2T has more DSP and expansion than the 732, sound wise the 732 is going to be a bit smoother due to lower cross over point of the larger driver on the 732. but depends on what you are wanting to use the speakers for.
do u think i can use it at horizontal position?
,i have a live room place with a very low ceiling, so i want them flying them from there.
thank u very much
would not recommend laying them flat , the horn is not rotatable and you loose the asymmetrical aspect of the speaker horn...we use single units on stands or stacked on subs and work out great. no need to fly them...we stack a pair on a dual 18 sub, standing up or laying down (the sub) and have had no issues...just need to be aware of people in front when they are close to speaker as SPL levels can get fairly high with the IG4T that close in.
thanks a lot. i had a problem to put on stands because my stage is
corner, so its mean it will hide a part from the band.
any other db stuff that i can use in a horizontal position, and its not a line arry module?
again, thanks a lot
not that is narrow....RCF has the TT052's we use for fills and they are very nice and small profile...
hi . how many amp do we need for 1speaker db igt4?
driven hard maximum of 4A would be my take on it, since the power supply is switch mode and very good with power requirements, we have driven 2 IG4T tops and 1 dual 18" sub off one 20A ckt with no issues.
I do sound for many types of bands from bluegrass to classic country, rock and blues.... Would the RCF 708 AS II be a possible match for the IG4T or 3t?
No...going to need at least a SUB 15H or SUB18H and the IG3T and IG4T have quite a bit of output. We will typically pair either of the IG's with the SUB18H as a minimum
Ok great thanks....So for the above mentioned application, which would be a better choice, ig3t or 4? I do mostly small town outdoor shows of 100 to 600 people. Mostly rock, blues and country and occasionally bluegrass. I shoot for a tight punchy drum mix and crisp clear vocals. So would 2 sub 15h per side be adequate? thanks for your input. I really appreciate your reviews.
I like the sound of the IG4T the best, and yes , 2 of the SUB15H per side would be amazing...nice and tight, but with the hybrid design the do a good job of going low as well.
Why do you like the ig4t over the ig3t?
Lighter and column is taller, but the IG3T goes a bit lower with the dual 10" drivers. Easier setup with the IG4Ts IMO
hi! 4 sub 705 as2 for 2 ig4T is good? maybe 2x 8003as2?
you will need at least 2 of the 8003 per side if you are talking about 2 IG4T per side. They pair nicely with the 8004 or FBT SUBLINE 118SA .... the IG4T is powerful, and we run 2 per side and they will out run a dual 18" sub from FBT that we use.
trinityprosound Fbt subline 118 sa is better at rcf 8003 as2?
those two are about the same in my opinion...they have similar power and the construction is all wood. i do favor the RCF amps though..
Hi how is vs with Bose l1 model 2 with b2 sub for karaoke? Thanks
No highs, no lows must be Bose...we are not Bose dealers, but have had others sell their Bose to buy these and love them.
Hi thanks for your answer
Can you please tell me in between Bose l1 model 2 vs rcf j12 they’re both line aray which one is better thanks
EVOX is better
The real question would be to compare these and the Rcf nxl 24s.. they look really similar. I do like the design of the RCF's more but these look really impressive.
The RCF are smoother, larger driver in the HF and lower xover point. The IG4T are impressive and the weight is amazingly light for the output of these speakers, but for pure fidelity the NXL24's win.
Hi how the price for amplifier db IG4T
Amplifier modules are not sold separately from db or RCF
trinityprosound thank you Sir
This or RCF nx l24a? I mean in terms of output and clarity.
IMO i would have to go with the IG4T, more features and more RMS power and lighter to set up, etc. They both do a great job but I want to save my back...
Do you think the IG2T would be a match for average 18" (3" voicecoil) sub like Presonus Air18s , JBL PRX618XLF etc? my plan would be to get 2 IG2T's and then another pair down the track so can link them togther for 2 of them a side that would make the tops around 800watts a side no?
Yes for a sub in that class/series of power, etc. The IG2T is an amazing box and with the expansion to a 2nd set, OMG will have output that will make you smile. We will be doing an IG2T video very soon.
Really would love to see what the IG2T is like as i'm thinking it may not be quite powerful enough for 18"
subs maybe more suited to 15" subs, also would like to see how much more powerful the FBT VENTIS
206A would be as it is 131spl plus larger 900 watt rms amp.
Thank you. I have been wondering the same thing. I need a complete system that I can do a serious show of 1000 people but split in half to do two shows with 5-600 people. I am doing almost all pop/rock and some country setups.
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What is the prices?
Depends on where you are , MAP here in the USA is $1799 per
hi . this speaker was made in china or italia?
designed in Italy, assembled in China is what I understand.
Rcf nxl 24a vs that db tech ig4t?
yes those are somewhat the same design in speakers, but there is a difference between them with power, construction, weight and tonality
so power con and true con are not the same 😲🤔
Correct, power con is a lower current connector and not water tight , the TruCon is somewhat water tight and higher current. and BTW not interchangeable
what model is more good Db ig4 or fbt cla 406 ?
They are a bit different. The IG4T has a 3" HF with 1.4"VC an 1100hz xover. vs. 1200hz about same size of HF, but LF is almost identical...frequency response will be similar. Difference is injection molded vs. wood box. I do like the IG4T for the added features and digital steering when two boxes are in combined mode. The IG4T is lighter due to the construction. I like lighter boxes. We do 1000 peeps with 2 per side over dual 18 subs with the IG4T...either one will bring you very good sound.
trinityprosound thanks! best subwofer for this speaker?
we use FBT, but the SUB18H is good, RCF 8004, FBT SUB118A, don't waste your money on QSC
trinityprosound thanks a lot!
2 db sub 18H is enough for two IG4t for 300 people?
smart tools is free?
No, that is a program that must be purchased from Rational Acoustics.
What subwoofer do you recommend?
I would suggest the SUB18H to do with the IG4T speakers or the FBT SUBLINE 118SA, either will do a great job
Thank you! Another question, IG3T or IG4T for live band performance (Drums, e Gtr, Bass, Keyboard, Vocals)? Does the plate to stack 2 ig4t(s) come with the speakers or is it accessories?
I would do the IG3T with larger 10" speakers. They are not as tall as IG4T but do a very good job and full sound. The stack plates are extra accessory, but if you do not have a 2 x 18 sub to put on and get up around 40-48" , i would use short poles, as the speakers on a single subwoofer will be too low to get effective coverage.
will one rcf the NXL24 out run one RCF 4pro 8003 on each side??
Yes it will, in-fact one will almost out run an 8006 - you would need 2 of the 8003 per side to almost be even...or just turn down the NXL by 3-6db and should be uniform and balanced.
I use this speaker whit subs Jbl SRX 818 what do you Think?
They will work good, but the IG4t will out run the SRX818SP's most likley need 2 subs of that model for each IG4T and you will need to set the cross over correctly to coincide with the IG4T 80hz is the lowest I would go, better is 100hz and up to the IG4T speakers.
Thank you, great video!
2x SRX818 + 1 ig4t ?
yes correct....we use 2 x IG4T with FBT SUBLINE218SA and the IG4T's will out run the sub no issues