@@trinityprosound I had thought of 2 systems db Technologies ES1203, one for each side and 2 Subs db technologies 615 but I have the doubt if I would need more high frequencies, or it would be enough with those of the 2 systems ES1203
Hello, would it be nice to connect an ES1203 system from channel 1 to the line L channel of the mixer? Or would it be better to connect channel 1 and 2 to the LR channels of the mixer?
you can do channel 2 and 3 and adjust so you don't over drive the input section of the system and send it into clipping. Balanced LINE/MIC Input (CH.1) This is an XLR or TRS (balanced or unbalanced) combo connector input. It allows you to connect a microphone or line signal (e.g. from a mixer or instrument with a line output impedance, such as an electronic keyboard). It can function as a mono channel, or as the left channel in a stereo input connection, when used together with input [3]. See chapters 4 and 5 for details of the channel settings. Balanced LINE/MIC Input (CH.2) This is an XLR or TRS (balanced or unbalanced) combo connector input. It allows you to connect a microphone or line signal (e.g. from a mixer or instrument with a line output impedance, such as an electronic keyboard). It can function as a mono channel, or as the right channel in a stereo input connection, when used together with input [2]. See chapters 4 and 5 for details of the channel settings.
For the size, even on the video the dB es1203 is killing it!............maybe over kill for a fusion jazz group in a small club but, dam I just have to save a bit more! I have a lucas nano 302 that is great but too small for sax, bass, guitar and vocals! Great review!👍🏾
I had evolve 50 and rcf 8004 and nxl24a, evolve was underpowered and rcf was overpowered for my 150 ppl wedding. Sold everything and ordered es1203, can't wait to have it, ill order a es1002 if I like what I hear to complete!
Great demo video as always. We've just purchased two of these for our band. we have our own mixer (Soundcraft Signature 12) , would you suggest running both ES 1203's in Mono Mode via the left and right out of our mixer or running the ES1203's as a master and slave in Double Column Mode?
Hello trinityprosound ! I just want your opinion, for outdoor music events with 500 people, the two (2) systems: DB Technologies ES 1203, will be sufficient ?? Thanks!
Great video as always. My company does corporate AV events and my question is would you recommend this system for corporate audio, mainly talking head presentations with music playback in a ballroom setting?
Yes we sure would , great sound, easy on the eyes and music playback is awesome. The top boxes are very good for speaking engagements as they are fairly forgiving to feed back issues, with lapels, etc., (best to use over the ear for corporate if you can)
Amazing reviews. I’m a true fan, you really dig deep in each product for the common knowledge. Thanks for that. I have a doubt, can i connect multiple es1203 with the bluetooth that comes integrated in the system??
I don't think they will sync up and connect but trying never hurts...you can always come out of the rear link port to other systems.... and connect that way.
trinityprosound thanks for the answer. I saw that the Turbosound ip3000 actually can sync to another unit in master/slave mode and i think is an awesome feature for what i need it. Can you please check, try and tell me? Is going to be my final key factor to make THE choice. I’m in Mexico, so is really hard for me to “go to the audio store and try” because here don’t sell that kind of equipment. I guess i will buy it to you guys and pay international shipping. Thanks a lot.
THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO, MUCH GRATITUDE ! Very interesting as was quite certainly inclined towards 2 EVOX 12's. Would it be that the dual 12's of the ES1203 Sub actually behaves slightly better as a "SUB" as well more so than the EVOX 12? The video suggests so. The EVOX 12 seemed to have nicer highs though, only slightly but a bit woolier down low? Is it reliable as well? Which would be the better choice purely on SQ for a 5 Piece Rock Band typically playing to 200-300?
Either will do , however IMO the ES1203 has better low end with the dual 12's to my liking ... the thing you have to understand with either is that the LF box is doing low end and subwoofer duty, but really is NOT a subwoofer...if you need constant low that goes below 55hz a dedicated sub would be highly recommended...but with that said, i think you would be pleased with either system for your application, but the ES1203 does compact and transports better IMO as well.
trinityprosound Thanks for your prompt reply and advice. Prices here in Australia are way inflated! At this time the Evox 12 is a lot better value “down under” than the ES1203. That being said I am leaning towards the ES1203 for multiple reasons. T H A N K Y O U ! Ps: Totally agree but once cry once.
Thanks for posting a review! Would you recommend buying 2 ES1203 subwoofers to match the 2 tops (like the EVOX systems) instead of having a 2:1 system? That would be the ideal setup with much more bass correct?
yes and yes, the output of 2 of the ES1203 will be quite amazing vs. attempting to do with a split system, even though the split system is quite powerful, i just like the better look of 1 per side...but that is me. we were impressed with 1 per side of the ES503 system outdoors believe it or not...and the ES1203 should be an OMG factor for output indoors or out.
Im trying to decide between the 1203 and the 1002. They seem to be pretty much the same thing. Its really a big difference between them? Thanks for this two excellent videos about the 1203 btw.
the 1203 and 1002 are essentially the same one just has a 3 channel amp and the other a 2 channel amp, 1203 you and split tops, 1002 you can not. - thanks for watching the vidoes
Hello trinityprosound, congratulations for your videos that are fantastic. I just bought an ES1203 system and I am very happy for the power and potability, if it is true that I would like to know if with some dbx processor I could get better sound ... I would like to know your opinion about buying another ES1203 system. Would it be possible to do live performances with a tribute band, keyboards, guitar, bass and voice? For about 300 people ?? Thank you very much and excuse my English but I am Spanish ..
no an outboard processor is not going to do much for you , get a good mixer with 31 band EQ on outputs to help adjust the system response and PEQ on channels - with 2 systems you can do live band for around 400 with no issues...
You mention running a sub along with the es1203. It would in interesting to see a video seeing the difference the extra sub makes as I've been having some local sounds techs tell me that the es1203 would not be enough to handle a full band. Sub 18h was recommended with igt3
It can be done, but if you are needing that much low end, a different system would be recommended instead of a ES1203, the SUB18H is a great mid level sub and pairs very well with the IG3T and IG4T speakers. The ES1203 by itself would do 100-150 peeps, if you have 2 of them 300 peeps to 350 for full band no issue.
@@trinityprosound I'll have to get my hands on one to have a listen. Aside from the full band I also play solo and duo shows along with a bit if DJing so the portability of the es1203 is very attractive and if its powerfull enough to use with the band at some bar gigs.. even better. Just curious how much more bottom end will the 18h add if I need to add sub for outdoor or ballroom gigs. Will the tops on the es1203 keep up. Going into the 18h and aux out to the es1203 should give a fairly power system..
Great Video John!! It's comparable the sound you can get with 2x Es1203 and 2 x Ig2t with 2 x sub618 ? I like the response of the IG2T with 618, for EDM, hip hop parties for 250 to 300 people; but this system is easer and smaller to setup
IMO it would be roughly the same output capability....with the dual 12's getting 1000 watts of the power amp. 2 of these for that size of event would be absolutely killer. thanks for watching the videos !
I'm struggling to make up my mind, I need a new speaker set for my mobile dj show, I'm looking at 2 of the dB 1002's or a set consisting of 2 x dB 615 subs and 2 x RCF art 712's mk4, which do you think will sound best for up to a max 200 people indoors ? unfortunately I don't live close to a shop to listen to the set's .
Are you on Facebook? If so ask to join the ES and INGENIA group , there is a lot of info and various setups from users that you can get an idea of how they are using their systems.
What do you think of the DT50? If I'm not mistaken, you got the FBT resting on it. I'm thinking of buying 2 1203s for my mobile dj rig and since my back is already sort of shot, I'd need all the help I can get at carrying them. Does the DT50 flex or behave odd when carrying the 1203?
We feel that the ES1203 does a better job than EVOX 12 and really feel that ES1203 is a more robust system with more features. The EVOX 12 does a great job, but the ES1203 is most amazing.
Hi, I need your help I currently have one ES1203 system and I would like to buy another to have one on the side but I have the opportunity to get an ES1002 at half price ... Would it be a good choice? He would accompany the team with 2 db sub615 and he would use them for events of 300 or 400 people in theaters and occasionally outdoors. Thank you
Get the ES1002, same parts, just a wee less power. Not sure with a pair you will need the 615's but if you do, use the cross over mode and you will be able to run the ES1203 and 1002 a bit harder as the low end will be produced by the 615's
So, I have just order 2 systems of the es1203, for a wedding band, we focus on the dance floor so we expect to cover gigs for over 400 maybe 500 people, but only with just 150 on the dance floor. So, Is it possible to use this system with an aux 1x18 sub (per side)? in case we feel that the low end in a big outdoor gig isnt enough... Maybe something for 600 hundred people or something... Tks!
yes, use a sub with a cross over out or link out of the ES1203 , i would use a SUB18H or 8004 with crossover out at 90hz ... we also are dealers for this system so next time if in USA give us a call we have exceptional pricing on the ES1203's
If you have the chance try Ant B-twig 12 pro. Ant is a company from RCF and DB Tecnologies group. It has 1400w rms 2800 peak. The diference is that only have 1 speaker in sub and that one has 2. I use 2 of them in exterior and have much power as you have on that one. If you have the chance to listen you will buy them for sure ;)
I have to tell you that the Ant equipment you mention has nothing to do with the db technologies es1203 model ... And the power is 700 w Rms I have been able to test the equipment and compare with my db.
@trinity sound .. Great video are you sure your 18s wasnt on while testing ... I still cant believe it ... Im going to buy a pair of these Bad Boys this week ... dj setups for weddings ... Can you please advise me on How many people will this be enough for in a indoor space of 40metres by 40 metres keeping in mind they have a set Dancefloor for 300 people
Hello I own the HD45M from RCF but am considering buying this DB Technologies 1203 or one set or two sets And the question is whether I can improve myself as a live musician I ask you this question because I learned a lot from your films on UA-cam Thank you for information
Use the HDM45's with a sub like the 8003 or 8004... you will have a much better sound with the HDM45 boxes... the crossover is smooth and has amazing output.
great test!..as the other ones (Evox 12 & Evox 8)..now..I'm going back to djing and I need to buy a PA system to use at home and able to hold 100/200 pax..my thoughts: 1 element ES1203 2 elements ES802 2 elements FBT CS 1000 ..what do you think is best choice? my music is Rock/Hard Rock + Disco 70 + Dance 80 + Nu Disco
yes, sub with a dual crossover is recommended , into sub, out to ES1203, or one sub per side then out to ES1203. crossed at 90hz , can run the ES1203 harder as they won't clip due to limited low end going to them and the larger drivers of the sub can do the lows from 90hz down
Really can't compare these apples to apples as they are not the same type of speaker or system, more of a comparison to the EVOLVE 50...ES1203 kills the EVOLVE 50 twice over.
I would recommend for that budget 4 x of the IG4T speakers and 4 X of the SUB18H... the output would be astonishing and the look of the system is like no other...great sound from it and you could break it up as needed into smaller systems too !
Hi. Would you think 2 of these would outperform a HK Audio Elements Big Base system? I'm talking about for a live band in theatres with mic'd drums etc. I like the HK for vocals etc but I find in theatres with raked seating the top end falls away pretty steep above (and below) the height of the array. The spec on the DB website of the top box suggests it is only 100w peak!
No, most likely 100 WRMS to each top box for 200WRMS to both in mono mode would be my take, but I think it is more than that to the tops, but no way of confirming how they split out the 3 channel power amp. The tops really project quite well when combined...maybe not so much energy in stereo mode.
trinityprosound Ok. Yeah still sounds low compared to the 600w RMS to tops on the HK Elements Big Base. Do you have any thoughts on how it would compare?
there in lies the problem...HK numbers do not add up, they don't state the RMS power of the driving base box, 2400 watts of what ? most likely peak or program, it is not RMS power. No SPL specs either from the cut sheets, so we really don't know what the unit power is like or SPL anticipation. With the top boxes handling 300 watts, if true comparison, only one top can be fixed to the base unit. This is not unlike other manufacturers that list power ratings without being truthful about power, and specs of unit. db does list 2400 watts peak, since others do the same and lie, they need to ensure a believable power factor, but true RMS is roughly ½ that. They do give a max SPL of 132, but not where that is measured at , HK gives no such information. 200 watts RMS is quite a bit of power at 8 ohms and most likely the top boxes of ES1203 is affixed at 4 ohms for most likely 400 watts going to them in reality. If would be nice if all mfr. could give specs the same so comparisons and figures for them are not skewed and truthful to the buyer. This is why we do the videos, to give honest opinion of something that is very reasonable price, unlike the HK unit ranging from $2800 US to $3900 US
trinityprosound Indeed. It can be frustrating. Thanks for your videos and help. The HK I have does state 300watt RMS to each top box and it has a 600 w amp in the sub to supply that. It also has a second 600w amp to drive the sub and a slave sub (which are rated at 250w RMS). For clarity I actually have the single 10" sub AS model which have the extra amp to drive extra units. I then power 2 of the longer top boxes and the additional passive sub off that. I have that each side so I would want to compare to 2 x mono DB stacks. DB do seem to get confused on their website re RMS/Peak for this top box. You can see the spec sheet for the passive top box stating 100w peak. I can't believe it could be that low. Your suggestion seems more likely. Does the DB top box seem to spread the sound much above and below the array? I know it has the angled driver array for this so would be interesting to know how it spreads.
Question...where are you seeing the 100W to the top box...? I don't see on spec sheet or website... Yes, the db tops do a great job in the horizontal and vertical coverage, seems more focused when the two boxes are combined into a mono system.
Impressive specs, sound, and look. My only concern is the stability of the system. Looks easy to tip down by a drunk guest because of the narrow base of the sub. Hope not!
The dual 12" is quite heavy and would take as much if not more to knock over vs. a traditional speaker on a stick , which is top heavy inherently and most tripods used are light aluminum and not the heavy steel of the K and M stands with wide foot print. Not saying it would never happen, but highly unlikely if you have never had one knock over traditional tripod stands from a drunk...
The ES1203 is a more pro system than Bose F1 and is a more sleek and powerful design IMO. We have had , over the years, many sell their Bose systems to buy comparable from dB Technologies and RCF. We have also spec out the IG series speaker systems against the Bose F1 and the IG4T or IG3T blow the Bose system away with the companion subwoofers. Not a huge fan of the Bose systems. I feel you get more bang for your $$$ with the db or RCF systems. Just heard a demo of the ES1203 in Stereo mode at INFOCOMM in Las Vegas...about 3000+ sq foot room. The ES1203 amazed us all and that was just the two tops and single bass unit.
Hello, Great work with this video, thank you for making us enjoy this experience. I still hesitate between two systems, the db technologies es 1203 and LD Systems Maui 44, both seems excellent. according to you the power is it the same is and especially the audio quality is it identical or better on one of the systems ? Merci
The LD system is a TURBOSOUND IP3000 the one thing i hated about that system is that the audio comes out of the entire column from bottom to top, really a tough listen IMO, having the top box elevated on the ES1203 and separated as it is, gave a more distinct sound vs. that entire column. Turbo sound is way cheaper than the LD44 BTW.
Hey! I'm thinking about getting the ES1203, but I'm not sure yet. What do you think about this system? How have you been using it? I will thank you for your answer.
i no you also have some RCF gear, my question is I have the RCF HDL 20a with the RCF TTS 18a the HDLs are heavy 63 lbs to be exact, as I recall RCF makes a box similar to the db technologies IG2T, My question is I brought the HDL 20a for the out door long throw. would i lose some throw with the smaller RCF.
Ok..it is not about "throw" it is about SPL and coverage patterns. The HDL20 is a 135dB box with 100 x 15 coverage making it like a knife cutting through the air with the 15 degree vertical pattern and 135dB max SPL. The RCF NXL24 or similar boxes from db Tech, etc. have greater coverage patterns, the NXL24A is a 131dB box vs. the 135. but has a coverage pattern of 100 x 30 so a bit more even coverage from that column but still somewhat directional in the vertical as most speakers are 90 x 40 or 90 x 60, etc. With 2 of the NXL24 per side you would have 134dB max SPL and a bit broader coverage in the vertical, vs. the HDL20A but you will need 3+ boxes to get the vertical coverage that 2 of the NXL24 can do. The HDL20A couple that doubling the number of boxes gets you a 3dB increase , so that 2 boxes gets you 138 and 4 boxes gets you 141 and 8 boxes is 144 and so on. The reason that the "throw" or combined SPL of the HDL20 is so goo that when flat faced or with a slight angle between boxes the SPL couples and has the advantage to SEND the sound further due to increased SPL of the multiple boxes. Opening the angles does start to alter the coupling of the boxes at greater angles between boxes and would be more noticeable up close than lets say 100 feet back where the boxes and coverage patterns join for the "throw". It is all about the SPL and coupling of the boxes. To answer your question..YES the small boxes and less SPL will lose the "throw" or higher SPL levels that you would be accustom to. The only caveat would be more small boxes to equal what the larger boxes were doing with fewer units.
Lets say you have 4 HDL20A, max SPL out is 141dB , max SPL out of 8 boxes or HDL6A is 137dB so 4 boxes is still twice as loud as 8 boxes of HDL6A, you would have to get 16 boxes per side to equal 4 boxes of HDL20, but you will have more directional control and uniformity of sound. Unfortunately most if not all the boxes in that range of dual 10" drivers weigh in about the same .... something has to go to get the weight down... we use 2 of the IG4T per side and they do a great job for 700+ outdoors, but the key is to get them in the air .....
thank you so much you as well as you tutorials have been a great to me and my company. thanks again and I'm sure ill be picking your brain again my friend.
Yes, the top box really has fantastic directional output with the column of speakers. The lows start to fall off around 50 feet out, but the top box is quite amazing for coverage.
HI JOHN! I finally got to test out this system on DEC 8 for my 1st Wedding gig. It was a small wedding, about 100 people. I had these cranked up along with my pioneer controller and I had people tell me to turn it up higher. I was already in the red zone. I don't know much how to set the correct gain/ trim/ etc so can you please tell me the best way to set these while getting the most out of these speakers? I can't beliee I had these cranked & I had them redlined most of the night . I thought you start from the computer to controller, to speakers to set the volume & trim. I KNOW THESE SPEAKERS COULD'VE GOT ALOT LOUDER, I thought they sounded great, but didn't blow me away. i also had the SHURE SM58 WIRELESS MIC BUT COULD'NT USE IT DUE TO EXTREME FEEDBACK ALL ACROSS THE BALLROOM. Luckily the band let me use their wired mic with no feedback. What is the best way to dial these in for the best sound? What do you do to kill the feedback when on this system? I plugged the mic directly into the pioneer controller. Another guest told me to add more treble because the sub was too strong. The bands singer told me wireless mic run HOT whatever that means. At first i connected the speakers useing the CHANNEL 1 On the sub. It sounded very weak. Then I used CHANNEL 2 & Sounded great. WhY DID CHANNEL 2 SOUND WEAY BETTER THAN CHANNEL 1? Thank you once again.
Where did you buy your system, have you talked over your issues with them and what did they tell you? If you have feedback you may need to get a different mic and mixer to control it, with proper EQ, etc. The ES1203 and others are very forgiving for feedback so something was quite wrong with mic type or settings.
trinityprosound Thanks for your reply . I bought these from a handsome young man who goes by the name Sir J.S.Moore up in Northern California. I asked on this platform to help others who have this issue. To your questions... I used the SHURE BLX24/SM58 Wireless mic into the Pioneer SB3 Controller. Strangely, during Soundcheck it gave me NO FEEDBACK. When I was LIVE & Everyone was in the room, The Feedback was so terrible I had to disconnect the Mic. Turning down the volume on my Controller DID NOT DO Anything to cut off the Feedback. Why is that? Also, Why does the System sound better when I use Channel 2 than Channel 1? Do you think I should connect the Mic directly into the ES 1203 Sub instead of my Controller?
Got, hard to tell customer names from UA-cam handles... Something is wrong in your signal chain with the mic , the SM58 should not give you feedback like that .. channel 1 is set for mic or instrument input and runs much hotter with levels into the amp. channel 2 is for mic or line and most likely levels are set lower on that input vs. #1 - unfortunately controllers IMO dont have very good mic input sections and EQ. Do you have a mixer that you connect your Pioneer SB3 into ? that you could connect the mic prior to the ES1203's??? Look at page 38 to 51 of the manual that goes over the inputs and what they do and some guidance on what the DSP does in that unit.
@@trinityprosound Thanks John, the ES1203 manuel came with a piece of paper with only 2-3 pages on it. like the one you showed when you took apart the system. I don't have a separate mixer, just the mic going into the Pioneer controller.
Ideally i would like to have 2 of the ES1203's, but I know that costs $$$$, I would do 2 of the ES802 OR the CS1000, both comparable in sound quality. The ES1203 has the best low end out of all of them...if the gig is not too large a single ES1203 will work...maybe 100-150 peeps....and would do very well in stereo mode
I have no experience with that system. Specs are close in nature, but hard to tell with the Maui where cross over point is , I don't really care for dual 8" drivers for the low end LF reproduction. We have similar from FBT and they are OK but not my favorites...rather have 12" or larger for low end.
They would be decent SPL wise , but the a single ES1203 has more low end. But with that said being that it would be coming from a single location would not offer as good as coverage as 2 of the ES802, we have run a pair of ES503 which are not quite a powerful and ran a full band through it for 250 peeps and sounded very good.
trinityprosound Thank you for your answer. Would it be clever to combine one ES503 with one ES802 for having best of both worlds? They have the same design and size. But the ES503 has the DSP display+bluetooth, while the ES802 is a bit louder and a little bit cheaper. Then - being a mobile DJ - I would still have the option to bring only 1 ES503 as a (stereo) setup when playing in small venues, and to couple it with the ES802 for bigger parties. Ofcourse 2 ES802s would be cheaper and louder, but don't have the flexibility of an ES503.
Yes that would work as the have the some components and sonic signature "so to speak" and not sure you would notice any difference between the boxes/systems ... no issues with that approach and should work quite well and give you some good flexibility.
The PSA1 is just a top box and not in the same design as the ES1203, we would really need to compare similar boxes and sysetms, the Yorky is a bit different beast. I am not a fan of the Yorky "sound"
@@crossover8634 I'd like an answer as well to this as I have a set of those Paraline subs and like them a lot. Especially outdoors when you stack them...really thick base. I run them with the Parasource 12 tops...great system.
The ES1203 is not a subwoofer per se. They do a great job on the low end, but the dual 12's are doing double duty as LF and quasi subwoofers. It is not a subwoofer box. If you need "subs" , and really low end and loud, you will need to go to dedicated subwoofers to get that kind of output.
what would you recommend for a vocal duo using backing tracks 1x 1203 or 2 x 503 or 2 x 802 , i want the best quality possible but cant afford 2 1203s !!
yes, it will be easier to transport 2 of the smaller systems and you will have more even LF coverage with a L/R LF boxes vs. a single to one side or in the middle.
Hi..i own a set of those speakers es1203. At once i set them as a LM and RM but they were picking. Then i decide to setup as a mono . And i have lo lower the bass and increased the gain to +10 .now they sound louder when i barely increase the master valume but then the red light will start blinking. How this breaking mode for new speakers works. I dont want to damage them. I just want to get the best sound out of them Thanks
If you are hitting the limiters you don't have enough rig for the gig for the volume you want to produce. You have to feed your signal to them flat , no EQ no added bass or low end. You can't over come physics, you will only be able to get so much from a system before it will peak out. Also look at how your power is fed, large gauge of cords needed for longer power runs, etc.
@@trinityprosound Thanks for reply. In my case i typically runs the signal from my laptop into the Pionner turn table then signal out to my Allen Allen Heath mixer and here where i finally control sound out. Most of my settings are 12 o'clock as far EQ my signal levels is just below the yellow lines . And again on the DB is all factory set . I had to lower a decimal on the bass and ad fro 0 to +10 Thanks again
@@trinityprosound Is there a way We can use EQ on the BASS/MID/HIGH and NOT limit this speaker? I don't understand why they would offer an EQ section if when you do use it will PEAK fast. I used +4 DB on the BASS and 2 o clock on the controller and I was in the red really fast. No matter if I turned down the Master Volume or Lowered the Trim, Or Channel Volume, I could not get it out of the red. I couldn't turn it down too much otherwise the volume would be too low for a party.
if you are hitting the limiters you are asking the system to do something it is not designed to do. low end is the first thing to hit the limiters. if you need more low end you will have to add subs, as you need more rig for your gig. they will run great and loud with signal be flat on the system and flat from your mixer or controller. need more low end, get more speakers. its physics and you cant get more out of them than allowed/permitted by design.
745's will be smoother and sonically sound fuller than the 1203 system but really tough to make that comparison as they are completely different systems, line column vs traditional 2 way speaker...745's with 8003 subs is amazing !
I mostly Dj parties outdoor and indoor up to 250 people and interested in the evox 12 or this dB technologies unit. I am running 2 qsc k10s with 2 qsc kw181 which is loud enough but just to heavy on the subwoofer department, plus I hate how the subwoofers sound not clean at all. The k10 are good speakers overall. I usually play open format, hip hop, edm, pop, ect. Let me know if either one of these units will suit me better than the set up I have. Thanks
Thanks for watching the videos ! We do like the sound of the ES1203 a bit better due to the 12" LF drivers and sheer power of the system. It does a great job and is easy to transport as all the bags are included. We are not a huge fan of QSC as the sound is just not as good as others at a similar price point and power, you are right about the sound of the subs, they just don't do anything special and are just OK. The ES1203 is our system of choice for the tall skinny speaker systems.
HI BRIAN! HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU & EVERYONE AT TRINITY PRO SOUND! I still have my BOSE L1 system on sale so please hang on for my order. Question... is this made in CHINA or ITALY? And am I reading this correct? The top array is 50wrms 100wrms peak? HOLY SMOKE!!!!What is the wrms for the bass bin? Also----have you heard this system with DOUBLE STACK TOP ARRAYS WITHOUT THE POLE MOUNT? And how much is that ? You can email me if you still have my address if you prefer.
Yes numbers are correct, the LF driver is IMO around 900WRMS, there is NOT a double stack system, it is TWO systems with the design mounts for the speakers, the most you can do on a system is 2 tops to maintain proper amp impedance and the arrays do not lend themselves in the patter to double stack so 2 tops max on top of the design column only. I have not heard two systems together YET , but imagine is quite impressive, as one system was to us during this video
I have been looking at the DB ES 1203 and the new Evox J8 systems and wondered which you would recommend. I am looking for a system primarily to cover small gigs up to say 200 people mainly to be used for a solo singer with backing tracks or small acoustic band. I figure I would buy a pair of the Evox system or one of the 1203’s.
For that size of event/gig a pair of the J8 will work or the ES802 or EVOX 8, as well as a Stereo ES1203. We have used a pair of ES503 for a church of 200 or so with full on band and the sound output is amazing
trinityprosound Ok, the ES 1203 seems to have 2 dB more SPL level as the 1002. Is there a big difference between sound. I thought, if both DSP settings are flat, they should sound the same?! The ES1203 has the option for beam stearing, the es 1002 not.
Not much difference in sound between the two, the ES1203 has multiple amps, thus the higher SPL, the steering is about 10 degrees up or down, not a lot as the column is so small top to bottom. Not sure you would notice any difference with or without anything "steered" , yes the 1203 or 1002 will sound the same.
depending on the size of your events one of these could do 100-150 no issues, music dependent maybe a bit more. if you deploy 2 , go with the ES1002. same stuff, just a mono vs. dual channel system. low end is exceptional for a SUB/LF type system. many of these types of systems will not do what a dedicated subwoofer can do, but this one IMO comes the closest. with 2 ES1002 you can do 300+ at really good levels. we have done full on bands with a pair of ES503's for 200 and headroom as well.
Yes that would work, but the IG2T will out run the 615 sub, I think the SUB18H would be more of a appropriate sub to pair with the IG2T, it really does project quite well. From what we have heard with other subs and demos those would pair well. But with that said, you are looking at different set ups, the ES1203 is a SUB/LF driver not a dedicated subwoofer working from 90-100hz and below, cross over for ES1203 is at 160hz, so a bit of LMid going to the 12" drivers...you don't get that with a dedicated top and subwoofer.
Ok , either systems will work great, BUT, you can split the ES1203 for smaller gigs, you can't do that with a EVOX12. The ES1203 comes with all the covers too !
How many people can I cover using it for DJing with only one system? Also can I combine that system with a 18 inch sub and two way speakers for the bigger shows? For example, something like this: ua-cam.com/video/o7fzdU9-KBQ/v-deo.html
you could do 400-500 with two of the ES1203, but for additional low end, we recommend a SUB18H or 2 to go with it. You don't want to mix and match speakers, sonically and sound dispersion to mix and match different tops, etc. does some real bad things to the sound of your system. Sell off what you have and get all the same type of speakers , subs, etc. so you know they will play well together. Mix and match to get "more" sound is not the way to go.
Ok thanks for the advice. I trust you because you seem legit! What is a good set of speakers and subs to not buy speakers all the time and be able to use them for small, medium and large events (50-800 people)? Also, why do people mix and match all the time? And is mix and match recommendable sometimes when a company seems to make better tops and another company seems to make better subs?
I would go with 4x of the IG4T's and 18" subs. Look at SUB18H or we like the FBT SUBLINE 218SA, those subs for 1200WRMS are amazing and pair very well with the IG4T speakers. People mix and match because they don't know. They think a speaker is a speaker and a system is a system, it is not.... we recommend using the same series and mfr. since the sonic quality and tunign of the the DSP in the active amps will be similar, also mix and match speakers have different coverage patterns and will introduce all sorts of comb filtering and cancellations...people just do not want to do the research and think they "know sound"
trinityprosound Thank you so much for your advice! I want to be very knowledgeable like you in the speaker world! Now I just need to sell some of my gear at a decent price to buy some db or fbt. Thanks!
Other than the 3 channel amp in the ES1203, the 1002 is about the same output, just a "mono" system that you can't separate the speakers... still same amp family just less power due to 2 channels vs. 3 channels
@@trinityprosound thanks! I want a portabile sistem. I have 2 DB ingenia 1g4T and 2rcf 8003 as2. Es 1203 vs fbt vn 2000 in deep clarity voice on live setup?
Hi again. Could I just ask do you feel the bass from something like a 905AS II would be vastly better than that from the 1203 bottom box? The 1203 bass doesn't seem to go very low from your other video, did you find this a problem in the real-world listening test?
The 905AS2 is a dedicated subwoofer albeit a 15" . The LF out of the unit you can hear, but feel, yes up close. For feel you are going to need 18" units and be where the wave develops based on frequency. Larger driver more air moves. We do well with our TTS26A dual 15" subs for feel but use 2 per side and they are 3400WRMS each. The EVOX 12 and ES1203 are systems that use extended LF from the speaker but they are a 2 way speaker system. I think it would be great if they could do a subwoofer, LF and HF section, but that would not be a portable system then... The 905AS2 do a good job for what they are, but there is nothing like a powerful 18" or 21" subwoofer...
Do you feel the bass on the 905ASII is a vast step up from the 1203 or is there not much in it. I ask as the 905 isn't that much bigger and similar weight. Of course you need dedicated tops then.
Hello, Why are you using this crappy music to test your systems ? There is a very used piece among the sondiers to test a sound system, like steely Dan, hey nineteen, you should try !
Because of COPY RIGHT. UA-cam will mute the video sound, which makes the video pretty much worthless...thus we use tracks that UA-cam supplies. I have tons of great tracks , but don't want to get into copy right issues and having the audio removed or the video removed. Rules are rules.
Another nice demo video. Thank you for always sharing great information on these products.
Amazing sound. I’ve just sold some Yamaha DXR12’s to bought this system. Best move I made.
Great video guys and so much sunnier than here in the UK :) Shared on my dBTechnologies UK page (I'm the distributor for UK & IRE)
Thank you for your response and for your videos that have helped me to decide and to continue learning. regards
The SUB15H or SUB18H and for a less expensive solution the 618 or 615 are other good options.
@@trinityprosound I had thought of 2 systems db Technologies ES1203, one for each side and 2 Subs db technologies 615 but I have the doubt if I would need more high frequencies, or it would be enough with those of the 2 systems ES1203
Hello, would it be nice to connect an ES1203 system from channel 1 to the line L channel of the mixer? Or would it be better to connect channel 1 and 2 to the LR channels of the mixer?
you can do channel 2 and 3 and adjust so you don't over drive the input section of the system and send it into clipping.
Balanced LINE/MIC Input (CH.1)
This is an XLR or TRS (balanced or unbalanced) combo connector input.
It allows you to connect a microphone or line signal (e.g. from a mixer or instrument with a line output impedance, such as an electronic keyboard).
It can function as a mono channel, or as the left channel in a stereo input connection, when used together with input [3]. See chapters 4 and 5 for details of the channel settings.
Balanced LINE/MIC Input (CH.2)
This is an XLR or TRS (balanced or unbalanced) combo connector input.
It allows you to connect a microphone or line signal (e.g. from a mixer or instrument with a line output impedance, such as an electronic keyboard).
It can function as a mono channel, or as the right channel in a stereo input connection, when used together with input [2]. See chapters 4 and 5 for details of the channel settings.
For the size, even on the video the dB es1203 is killing it!............maybe over kill for a fusion jazz group in a small club but, dam I just have to save a bit more! I have a lucas nano 302 that is great but too small for sax, bass, guitar and vocals! Great review!👍🏾
I had evolve 50 and rcf 8004 and nxl24a, evolve was underpowered and rcf was overpowered for my 150 ppl wedding. Sold everything and ordered es1203, can't wait to have it, ill order a es1002 if I like what I hear to complete!
I think you will be pleased with the ES1203's and ES1002's
Great demo video as always. We've just purchased two of these for our band. we have our own mixer (Soundcraft Signature 12) , would you suggest running both ES 1203's in Mono Mode via the left and right out of our mixer or running the ES1203's as a master and slave in Double Column Mode?
Hello trinityprosound !
I just want your opinion, for outdoor music events with 500 people, the two (2) systems: DB Technologies ES 1203, will be sufficient ?? Thanks!
Great video as always. My company does corporate AV events and my question is would you recommend this system for corporate audio, mainly talking head presentations with music playback in a ballroom setting?
Yes we sure would , great sound, easy on the eyes and music playback is awesome. The top boxes are very good for speaking engagements as they are fairly forgiving to feed back issues, with lapels, etc., (best to use over the ear for corporate if you can)
Amazing reviews. I’m a true fan, you really dig deep in each product for the common knowledge. Thanks for that. I have a doubt, can i connect multiple es1203 with the bluetooth that comes integrated in the system??
I don't think they will sync up and connect but trying never hurts...you can always come out of the rear link port to other systems.... and connect that way.
trinityprosound thanks for the answer. I saw that the Turbosound ip3000 actually can sync to another unit in master/slave mode and i think is an awesome feature for what i need it. Can you please check, try and tell me? Is going to be my final key factor to make THE choice. I’m in Mexico, so is really hard for me to “go to the audio store and try” because here don’t sell that kind of equipment. I guess i will buy it to you guys and pay international shipping. Thanks a lot.
@@trinityprosound hey, which is the best system money can buy? I seek to use just a pair to cover largest of the largest crowds
THANK YOU FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO, MUCH GRATITUDE !
Very interesting as was quite certainly inclined towards 2 EVOX 12's.
Would it be that the dual 12's of the ES1203 Sub actually behaves slightly better as a "SUB" as well more so than the EVOX 12?
The video suggests so. The EVOX 12 seemed to have nicer highs though, only slightly but a bit woolier down low?
Is it reliable as well?
Which would be the better choice purely on SQ for a 5 Piece Rock Band typically playing to 200-300?
Either will do , however IMO the ES1203 has better low end with the dual 12's to my liking ... the thing you have to understand with either is that the LF box is doing low end and subwoofer duty, but really is NOT a subwoofer...if you need constant low that goes below 55hz a dedicated sub would be highly recommended...but with that said, i think you would be pleased with either system for your application, but the ES1203 does compact and transports better IMO as well.
trinityprosound Thanks for your prompt reply and advice.
Prices here in Australia are way inflated!
At this time the Evox 12 is a lot better value “down under” than the ES1203.
That being said I am leaning towards the ES1203 for multiple reasons.
T H A N K Y O U !
Ps: Totally agree but once cry once.
Thanks for posting a review! Would you recommend buying 2 ES1203 subwoofers to match the 2 tops (like the EVOX systems) instead of having a 2:1 system? That would be the ideal setup with much more bass correct?
yes and yes, the output of 2 of the ES1203 will be quite amazing vs. attempting to do with a split system, even though the split system is quite powerful, i just like the better look of 1 per side...but that is me. we were impressed with 1 per side of the ES503 system outdoors believe it or not...and the ES1203 should be an OMG factor for output indoors or out.
Thanks for the response! So my question now is...can I buy an extra ES1203 sub without purchasing the top?
No, they are integral, IMO running the LF portion without the top box amp being loaded would hasten amp failure IMO and not suggested.
Im trying to decide between the 1203 and the 1002. They seem to be pretty much the same thing. Its really a big difference between them? Thanks for this two excellent videos about the 1203 btw.
the 1203 and 1002 are essentially the same one just has a 3 channel amp and the other a 2 channel amp, 1203 you and split tops, 1002 you can not. - thanks for watching the vidoes
Hello trinityprosound, congratulations for your videos that are fantastic.
I just bought an ES1203 system and I am very happy for the power and potability, if it is true that I would like to know if with some dbx processor I could get better sound ...
I would like to know your opinion about buying another ES1203 system. Would it be possible to do live performances with a tribute band, keyboards, guitar, bass and voice? For about 300 people ?? Thank you very much and excuse my English but I am Spanish ..
no an outboard processor is not going to do much for you , get a good mixer with 31 band EQ on outputs to help adjust the system response and PEQ on channels - with 2 systems you can do live band for around 400 with no issues...
What do you have the es1203's master volume (knob) set to in this video? In general what should it be set at with this system?
it is full wide open , no cut in input sensitivity, comes out of the box that way.
You mention running a sub along with the es1203. It would in interesting to see a video seeing the difference the extra sub makes as I've been having some local sounds techs tell me that the es1203 would not be enough to handle a full band. Sub 18h was recommended with igt3
It can be done, but if you are needing that much low end, a different system would be recommended instead of a ES1203, the SUB18H is a great mid level sub and pairs very well with the IG3T and IG4T speakers. The ES1203 by itself would do 100-150 peeps, if you have 2 of them 300 peeps to 350 for full band no issue.
@@trinityprosound I'll have to get my hands on one to have a listen. Aside from the full band I also play solo and duo shows along with a bit if DJing so the portability of the es1203 is very attractive and if its powerfull enough to use with the band at some bar gigs.. even better. Just curious how much more bottom end will the 18h add if I need to add sub for outdoor or ballroom gigs. Will the tops on the es1203 keep up. Going into the 18h and aux out to the es1203 should give a fairly power system..
yes, the tops will certainly keep up with additional low end
Great Video John!!
It's comparable the sound you can get with 2x Es1203 and 2 x Ig2t with 2 x sub618 ?
I like the response of the IG2T with 618, for EDM, hip hop parties for 250 to 300 people; but this system is easer and smaller to setup
IMO it would be roughly the same output capability....with the dual 12's getting 1000 watts of the power amp. 2 of these for that size of event would be absolutely killer. thanks for watching the videos !
thanks for the quick answer
I'm struggling to make up my mind, I need a new speaker set for my mobile dj show, I'm looking at 2 of the dB 1002's or a set consisting of 2 x dB 615 subs and 2 x RCF art 712's mk4, which do you think will sound best for up to a max 200 people indoors ? unfortunately I don't live close to a shop to listen to the set's .
Are you on Facebook? If so ask to join the ES and INGENIA group , there is a lot of info and various setups from users that you can get an idea of how they are using their systems.
What do you think of the DT50? If I'm not mistaken, you got the FBT resting on it. I'm thinking of buying 2 1203s for my mobile dj rig and since my back is already sort of shot, I'd need all the help I can get at carrying them. Does the DT50 flex or behave odd when carrying the 1203?
Alex - that is a small hand truck we purchased at Costco for doing smaller moves with equipment, we put a bungee strap around it all and good to go.
My bad then, but since I have your attention, have you fiddled with the DT50? Or can you recommend another small (foldable) trolley?
No, but I have seen it ... the other folding unit we have used is available at Amazon a.co/erzF0U8
trinityprosound thanks for the tip, sadly it does not ship to Romania so I will have to find an alternative.
Can you post a sound comparison video of the Evox12 vs ES1203?
We feel that the ES1203 does a better job than EVOX 12 and really feel that ES1203 is a more robust system with more features. The EVOX 12 does a great job, but the ES1203 is most amazing.
Hi, I need your help I currently have one ES1203 system and I would like to buy another to have one on the side but I have the opportunity to get an ES1002 at half price ... Would it be a good choice? He would accompany the team with 2 db sub615 and he would use them for events of 300 or 400 people in theaters and occasionally outdoors. Thank you
Get the ES1002, same parts, just a wee less power. Not sure with a pair you will need the 615's but if you do, use the cross over mode and you will be able to run the ES1203 and 1002 a bit harder as the low end will be produced by the 615's
So, I have just order 2 systems of the es1203, for a wedding band, we focus on the dance floor so we expect to cover gigs for over 400 maybe 500 people, but only with just 150 on the dance floor. So, Is it possible to use this system with an aux 1x18 sub (per side)? in case we feel that the low end in a big outdoor gig isnt enough... Maybe something for 600 hundred people or something... Tks!
yes, use a sub with a cross over out or link out of the ES1203 , i would use a SUB18H or 8004 with crossover out at 90hz ... we also are dealers for this system so next time if in USA give us a call we have exceptional pricing on the ES1203's
@@trinityprosound what type of subwoofer and mixer would you recommend to go with a pair of es 1203
db has the sub 18H that would work well , i would suggest anything digital that has PEQ and 31 band EQ . X32 series QU series, SQ series. M32.
If you have the chance try Ant B-twig 12 pro. Ant is a company from RCF and DB Tecnologies group. It has 1400w rms 2800 peak. The diference is that only have 1 speaker in sub and that one has 2. I use 2 of them in exterior and have much power as you have on that one. If you have the chance to listen you will buy them for sure ;)
They are not available in the USA
I have to tell you that the Ant equipment you mention has nothing to do with the db technologies es1203 model ... And the power is 700 w Rms
I have been able to test the equipment and compare with my db.
Where is the service center for DB TEch in USA (East Coast)? I don't suppose RCF in NJ can service?
In Mississippi and they are good !! Product and Warranty Information:
info@americanmusicandsound.com
800-994-4984
This test makes me wanne sell my 4x rcf 722a with 2 905as
but the sound of this video is only by the db es 1203?
why there is another fbt system?
yes only the 1203. we were demo'ing 2 systems that day and this is only the ES1203 demo
How does the dual 12's low end compare to the rcf evox 12 low end ?
I like the low end of the ES1203 better , seems to go lower and more punchy..i do like the sleek design of the ES1203
@trinity sound .. Great video are you sure your 18s wasnt on while testing ... I still cant believe it ... Im going to buy a pair of these Bad Boys this week ... dj setups for weddings ... Can you please advise me on How many people will this be enough for in a indoor space of 40metres by 40 metres keeping in mind they have a set Dancefloor for 300 people
Thank you for your video was a great in depth video
thanks for watching
What role did the IG2T and double 18 sub play in this video?
I mean, were they on too or was all that sound from just the ES1203?
they were disconnected and no signal going to them, that was just the ES1203
I would love to see a vs video with Ld curve 500ts if possible?
We are not dealer for those systems, only FBT, RCF and DB TECH
Hello I own the HD45M from RCF but am considering buying this DB Technologies 1203 or one set or two sets
And the question is whether I can improve myself as a live musician
I ask you this question because I learned a lot from your films on UA-cam Thank you for information
Use the HDM45's with a sub like the 8003 or 8004... you will have a much better sound with the HDM45 boxes... the crossover is smooth and has amazing output.
great test!..as the other ones (Evox 12 & Evox 8)..now..I'm going back to djing and I need to buy a PA system to use at home and able to hold 100/200 pax..my thoughts:
1 element ES1203
2 elements ES802
2 elements FBT CS 1000
..what do you think is best choice?
my music is Rock/Hard Rock + Disco 70 + Dance 80 + Nu Disco
I think we answered this via email correct?
yes..thanks!
I would like to do the same question for my purchase
I would be interested to see this set up with the link to an extra sub as you mention near the end of this video.
unfortunately we won't be able to do that ... but others that have purchased have done so to get the extra low EDM low end.
Never had a good look at the i/o on the es1203. How would that connect. Into sub first then out to the es1203?
yes, sub with a dual crossover is recommended , into sub, out to ES1203, or one sub per side then out to ES1203. crossed at 90hz , can run the ES1203 harder as they won't clip due to limited low end going to them and the larger drivers of the sub can do the lows from 90hz down
Hi; how you compare it against EV KTX or ETX? The DB es1203 Kills both, just the KTX or none?
Really can't compare these apples to apples as they are not the same type of speaker or system, more of a comparison to the EVOLVE 50...ES1203 kills the EVOLVE 50 twice over.
was the double 18'' playing? sounded great.
no, that was all the ES1203
thanks, that type of bass from two 12'' is very serious .
was that all the speakers in the video or just the one on the right?
Just the ES1203, the other one was disconnected....amazing , yes !
If í had a 10 thousand dollar budget do you recommend 4 of these speakers ? If not what set up do you recommend purchasing?
I would recommend for that budget 4 x of the IG4T speakers and 4 X of the SUB18H... the output would be astonishing and the look of the system is like no other...great sound from it and you could break it up as needed into smaller systems too !
Thank you for your help it was really appreciated !
Hi. Would you think 2 of these would outperform a HK Audio Elements Big Base system? I'm talking about for a live band in theatres with mic'd drums etc. I like the HK for vocals etc but I find in theatres with raked seating the top end falls away pretty steep above (and below) the height of the array. The spec on the DB website of the top box suggests it is only 100w peak!
No, most likely 100 WRMS to each top box for 200WRMS to both in mono mode would be my take, but I think it is more than that to the tops, but no way of confirming how they split out the 3 channel power amp. The tops really project quite well when combined...maybe not so much energy in stereo mode.
trinityprosound Ok. Yeah still sounds low compared to the 600w RMS to tops on the HK Elements Big Base. Do you have any thoughts on how it would compare?
there in lies the problem...HK numbers do not add up, they don't state the RMS power of the driving base box, 2400 watts of what ? most likely peak or program, it is not RMS power. No SPL specs either from the cut sheets, so we really don't know what the unit power is like or SPL anticipation. With the top boxes handling 300 watts, if true comparison, only one top can be fixed to the base unit. This is not unlike other manufacturers that list power ratings without being truthful about power, and specs of unit. db does list 2400 watts peak, since others do the same and lie, they need to ensure a believable power factor, but true RMS is roughly ½ that. They do give a max SPL of 132, but not where that is measured at , HK gives no such information. 200 watts RMS is quite a bit of power at 8 ohms and most likely the top boxes of ES1203 is affixed at 4 ohms for most likely 400 watts going to them in reality. If would be nice if all mfr. could give specs the same so comparisons and figures for them are not skewed and truthful to the buyer. This is why we do the videos, to give honest opinion of something that is very reasonable price, unlike the HK unit ranging from $2800 US to $3900 US
trinityprosound Indeed. It can be frustrating. Thanks for your videos and help. The HK I have does state 300watt RMS to each top box and it has a 600 w amp in the sub to supply that. It also has a second 600w amp to drive the sub and a slave sub (which are rated at 250w RMS). For clarity I actually have the single 10" sub AS model which have the extra amp to drive extra units. I then power 2 of the longer top boxes and the additional passive sub off that. I have that each side so I would want to compare to 2 x mono DB stacks. DB do seem to get confused on their website re RMS/Peak for this top box. You can see the spec sheet for the passive top box stating 100w peak. I can't believe it could be that low. Your suggestion seems more likely. Does the DB top box seem to spread the sound much above and below the array? I know it has the angled driver array for this so would be interesting to know how it spreads.
Question...where are you seeing the 100W to the top box...? I don't see on spec sheet or website...
Yes, the db tops do a great job in the horizontal and vertical coverage, seems more focused when the two boxes are combined into a mono system.
question, can you make the pole even higher than what you are showing (judging at the 9:17 mark)?
There may be another 2" but that would be it. We believe in the video that the pole is at its max
ok, so it is adjustable?@@trinityprosound
yes a bit
Impressive specs, sound, and look. My only concern is the stability of the system. Looks easy to tip down by a drunk guest because of the narrow base of the sub. Hope not!
The dual 12" is quite heavy and would take as much if not more to knock over vs. a traditional speaker on a stick , which is top heavy inherently and most tripods used are light aluminum and not the heavy steel of the K and M stands with wide foot print. Not saying it would never happen, but highly unlikely if you have never had one knock over traditional tripod stands from a drunk...
hello, thanks for the video, how does this compare to the bose f1 I'm contemplating between the 2
The ES1203 is a more pro system than Bose F1 and is a more sleek and powerful design IMO. We have had , over the years, many sell their Bose systems to buy comparable from dB Technologies and RCF. We have also spec out the IG series speaker systems against the Bose F1 and the IG4T or IG3T blow the Bose system away with the companion subwoofers. Not a huge fan of the Bose systems. I feel you get more bang for your $$$ with the db or RCF systems. Just heard a demo of the ES1203 in Stereo mode at INFOCOMM in Las Vegas...about 3000+ sq foot room. The ES1203 amazed us all and that was just the two tops and single bass unit.
trinityprosound thanks for the reply, I’m going to listen to 1 of the db es 1203 today
Hello, Great work with this video, thank you for making us enjoy this experience.
I still hesitate between two systems, the db technologies es 1203 and LD Systems Maui 44, both seems excellent.
according to you the power is it the same is and especially the audio quality is it identical or better on one of the systems ?
Merci
The LD system is a TURBOSOUND IP3000 the one thing i hated about that system is that the audio comes out of the entire column from bottom to top, really a tough listen IMO, having the top box elevated on the ES1203 and separated as it is, gave a more distinct sound vs. that entire column. Turbo sound is way cheaper than the LD44 BTW.
I will order the ES1203 this week I will give you my opinion soon, thank you very much@@trinityprosound
Hey! I'm thinking about getting the ES1203, but I'm not sure yet. What do you think about this system? How have you been using it? I will thank you for your answer.
See our comments in this ES1203 review. We go over some of the pros and cons in the comments.
i no you also have some RCF gear, my question is I have the RCF HDL 20a with the RCF TTS 18a the HDLs are heavy 63 lbs to be exact, as I recall RCF makes a box similar to the db technologies IG2T, My question is I brought the HDL 20a for the out door long throw. would i lose some throw with the smaller RCF.
Ok..it is not about "throw" it is about SPL and coverage patterns. The HDL20 is a 135dB box with 100 x 15 coverage making it like a knife cutting through the air with the 15 degree vertical pattern and 135dB max SPL. The RCF NXL24 or similar boxes from db Tech, etc. have greater coverage patterns, the NXL24A is a 131dB box vs. the 135. but has a coverage pattern of 100 x 30 so a bit more even coverage from that column but still somewhat directional in the vertical as most speakers are 90 x 40 or 90 x 60, etc. With 2 of the NXL24 per side you would have 134dB max SPL and a bit broader coverage in the vertical, vs. the HDL20A but you will need 3+ boxes to get the vertical coverage that 2 of the NXL24 can do. The HDL20A couple that doubling the number of boxes gets you a 3dB increase , so that 2 boxes gets you 138 and 4 boxes gets you 141 and 8 boxes is 144 and so on. The reason that the "throw" or combined SPL of the HDL20 is so goo that when flat faced or with a slight angle between boxes the SPL couples and has the advantage to SEND the sound further due to increased SPL of the multiple boxes. Opening the angles does start to alter the coupling of the boxes at greater angles between boxes and would be more noticeable up close than lets say 100 feet back where the boxes and coverage patterns join for the "throw". It is all about the SPL and coupling of the boxes. To answer your question..YES the small boxes and less SPL will lose the "throw" or higher SPL levels that you would be accustom to. The only caveat would be more small boxes to equal what the larger boxes were doing with fewer units.
So if I were to replace my HDL 20a with lets say the HDL 6a, but doubling the number of boxes i will experience the same amount of spl.
Lets say you have 4 HDL20A, max SPL out is 141dB , max SPL out of 8 boxes or HDL6A is 137dB so 4 boxes is still twice as loud as 8 boxes of HDL6A, you would have to get 16 boxes per side to equal 4 boxes of HDL20, but you will have more directional control and uniformity of sound. Unfortunately most if not all the boxes in that range of dual 10" drivers weigh in about the same .... something has to go to get the weight down... we use 2 of the IG4T per side and they do a great job for 700+ outdoors, but the key is to get them in the air .....
thank you so much you as well as you tutorials have been a great to me and my company. thanks again and I'm sure ill be picking your brain again my friend.
Was the 96 db at 80 feet just with the es1203 ? Outdoors aswel !
Yes, the top box really has fantastic directional output with the column of speakers. The lows start to fall off around 50 feet out, but the top box is quite amazing for coverage.
HI JOHN! I finally got to test out this system on DEC 8 for my 1st Wedding gig. It was a small wedding, about 100 people. I had these cranked up along with my pioneer controller and I had people tell me to turn it up higher. I was already in the red zone. I don't know much how to set the correct gain/ trim/ etc so can you please tell me the best way to set these while getting the most out of these speakers? I can't beliee I had these cranked & I had them redlined most of the night . I thought you start from the computer to controller, to speakers to set the volume & trim. I KNOW THESE SPEAKERS COULD'VE GOT ALOT LOUDER, I thought they sounded great, but didn't blow me away. i also had the SHURE SM58 WIRELESS MIC BUT COULD'NT USE IT DUE TO EXTREME FEEDBACK ALL ACROSS THE BALLROOM. Luckily the band let me use their wired mic with no feedback. What is the best way to dial these in for the best sound?
What do you do to kill the feedback when on this system? I plugged the mic directly into the pioneer controller. Another guest told me to add more treble because the sub was too strong. The bands singer told me wireless mic run HOT whatever that means. At first i connected the speakers useing the CHANNEL 1 On the sub. It sounded very weak. Then I used CHANNEL 2 & Sounded great. WhY DID CHANNEL 2 SOUND WEAY BETTER THAN CHANNEL 1? Thank you once again.
Where did you buy your system, have you talked over your issues with them and what did they tell you? If you have feedback you may need to get a different mic and mixer to control it, with proper EQ, etc. The ES1203 and others are very forgiving for feedback so something was quite wrong with mic type or settings.
trinityprosound Thanks for your reply . I bought these from a handsome young man who goes by the name Sir J.S.Moore up in Northern California. I asked on this platform to help others who have this issue. To your questions... I used the SHURE BLX24/SM58 Wireless mic into the Pioneer SB3 Controller. Strangely, during Soundcheck it gave me NO FEEDBACK. When I was LIVE & Everyone was in the room, The Feedback was so terrible I had to disconnect the Mic. Turning down the volume on my Controller DID NOT DO Anything to cut off the Feedback. Why is that? Also, Why does the System sound better when I use Channel 2 than Channel 1? Do you think I should connect the Mic directly into the ES 1203 Sub instead of my Controller?
Got, hard to tell customer names from UA-cam handles... Something is wrong in your signal chain with the mic , the SM58 should not give you feedback like that .. channel 1 is set for mic or instrument input and runs much hotter with levels into the amp. channel 2 is for mic or line and most likely levels are set lower on that input vs. #1 - unfortunately controllers IMO dont have very good mic input sections and EQ. Do you have a mixer that you connect your Pioneer SB3 into ? that you could connect the mic prior to the ES1203's??? Look at page 38 to 51 of the manual that goes over the inputs and what they do and some guidance on what the DSP does in that unit.
@@trinityprosound Thanks John, the ES1203 manuel came with a piece of paper with only 2-3 pages on it. like the one you showed when you took apart the system. I don't have a separate mixer, just the mic going into the Pioneer controller.
down load the manual from their website, has a lot of good info
Fantastic video! For dj use would you recommend if 1 db technology 1203 in stereo mode or 2 db technologies 802 or 2 ftb cs1000? thank you
Ideally i would like to have 2 of the ES1203's, but I know that costs $$$$, I would do 2 of the ES802 OR the CS1000, both comparable in sound quality. The ES1203 has the best low end out of all of them...if the gig is not too large a single ES1203 will work...maybe 100-150 peeps....and would do very well in stereo mode
1 es1203 in stereo mode how much is comparable in output power to 2 es802 or 2 cs1000? would the dual cs1000 be the most powerful among these choices?
No, IMO the ES 1203 would be better...has much better low end than IMO 2 of the CS 1000 or 2 of the ES802's , better package 2 of the ES1203's
Alternatively to stay on low price what do you think about Ld systems maui28 G2?
I have no experience with that system. Specs are close in nature, but hard to tell with the Maui where cross over point is , I don't really care for dual 8" drivers for the low end LF reproduction. We have similar from FBT and they are OK but not my favorites...rather have 12" or larger for low end.
you're the best demo man, anyway what is the price I like it.
In the USA it MAPS for $2799, less at street price. If you are in the US, email us and we will get you pricing that we sell for...you will smile...
trinityprosounds thanks very much sir.
How would a pair of ES802's hold up compared to a single ES1203 inside?
They would be decent SPL wise , but the a single ES1203 has more low end. But with that said being that it would be coming from a single location would not offer as good as coverage as 2 of the ES802, we have run a pair of ES503 which are not quite a powerful and ran a full band through it for 250 peeps and sounded very good.
trinityprosound
Thank you for your answer.
Would it be clever to combine one ES503 with one ES802 for having best of both worlds? They have the same design and size. But the ES503 has the DSP display+bluetooth, while the ES802 is a bit louder and a little bit cheaper. Then - being a mobile DJ - I would still have the option to bring only 1 ES503 as a (stereo) setup when playing in small venues, and to couple it with the ES802 for bigger parties. Ofcourse 2 ES802s would be cheaper and louder, but don't have the flexibility of an ES503.
Yes that would work as the have the some components and sonic signature "so to speak" and not sure you would notice any difference between the boxes/systems ... no issues with that approach and should work quite well and give you some good flexibility.
Just in low end punch how would it compares to the Yorkville Paraline PSA1s both being dual 12" cabinets/
The PSA1 is just a top box and not in the same design as the ES1203, we would really need to compare similar boxes and sysetms, the Yorky is a bit different beast. I am not a fan of the Yorky "sound"
@@trinityprosound I was talking a out the psa1s. PSA1 is the tops box. PSA1s is the 2x12 sub box.
@@crossover8634 I'd like an answer as well to this as I have a set of those Paraline subs and like them a lot. Especially outdoors when you stack them...really thick base. I run them with the Parasource 12 tops...great system.
The ES1203 is not a subwoofer per se. They do a great job on the low end, but the dual 12's are doing double duty as LF and quasi subwoofers. It is not a subwoofer box. If you need "subs" , and really low end and loud, you will need to go to dedicated subwoofers to get that kind of output.
what would you recommend for a vocal duo using backing tracks 1x 1203 or 2 x 503 or 2 x 802 , i want the best quality possible but cant afford 2 1203s !!
1203 may be too much and is heavy for the LF box, a pair of 503s or 802s will give you excellent results for groups up to about 250 peeps
trinityprosound thank i must admit i nearly bought the 1203 but the weight was worrying me.
do you mean its too heavy to carry around because we are a energetic duo aiming for a big sound .
yes, it will be easier to transport 2 of the smaller systems and you will have more even LF coverage with a L/R LF boxes vs. a single to one side or in the middle.
trinityprosound which would be better the 503 or 802 ? theres also a 602 but that looks a little underpowered .
Hi..i own a set of those speakers es1203. At once i set them as a LM and RM but they were picking.
Then i decide to setup as a mono .
And i have lo lower the bass and increased the gain to +10 .now they sound louder when i barely increase the master valume but then the red light will start blinking.
How this breaking mode for new speakers works. I dont want to damage them.
I just want to get the best sound out of them
Thanks
If you are hitting the limiters you don't have enough rig for the gig for the volume you want to produce. You have to feed your signal to them flat , no EQ no added bass or low end. You can't over come physics, you will only be able to get so much from a system before it will peak out. Also look at how your power is fed, large gauge of cords needed for longer power runs, etc.
@@trinityprosound Thanks for reply.
In my case i typically runs the signal from my laptop into the Pionner turn table then signal out to my Allen Allen Heath mixer and here where i finally control sound out. Most of my settings are 12 o'clock as far EQ my signal levels is just below the yellow lines .
And again on the DB is all factory set . I had to lower a decimal on the bass and ad fro 0 to +10
Thanks again
@@trinityprosound Is there a way We can use EQ on the BASS/MID/HIGH and NOT limit this speaker? I don't understand why they would offer an EQ section if when you do use it will PEAK fast. I used +4 DB on the BASS and 2 o clock on the controller and I was in the red really fast. No matter if I turned down the Master Volume or Lowered the Trim, Or Channel Volume, I could not get it out of the red. I couldn't turn it down too much otherwise the volume would be too low for a party.
if you are hitting the limiters you are asking the system to do something it is not designed to do. low end is the first thing to hit the limiters. if you need more low end you will have to add subs, as you need more rig for your gig. they will run great and loud with signal be flat on the system and flat from your mixer or controller. need more low end, get more speakers. its physics and you cant get more out of them than allowed/permitted by design.
@@esezate1 .Totally agree
as a matter of interest how would you compare one unit of the 1203s against 2 x rcf 745s without any subs ?
745's will be smoother and sonically sound fuller than the 1203 system but really tough to make that comparison as they are completely different systems, line column vs traditional 2 way speaker...745's with 8003 subs is amazing !
How Would a pair of es1002 compare to a pair of evox12s?
about the same, look at the specs on their websites...better low end from the ES1002 IMO
I mostly Dj parties outdoor and indoor up to 250 people and interested in the evox 12 or this dB technologies unit. I am running 2 qsc k10s with 2 qsc kw181 which is loud enough but just to heavy on the subwoofer department, plus I hate how the subwoofers sound not clean at all. The k10 are good speakers overall. I usually play open format, hip hop, edm, pop, ect. Let me know if either one of these units will suit me better than the set up I have. Thanks
Thanks for watching the videos ! We do like the sound of the ES1203 a bit better due to the 12" LF drivers and sheer power of the system. It does a great job and is easy to transport as all the bags are included. We are not a huge fan of QSC as the sound is just not as good as others at a similar price point and power, you are right about the sound of the subs, they just don't do anything special and are just OK. The ES1203 is our system of choice for the tall skinny speaker systems.
HI BRIAN! HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO YOU & EVERYONE AT TRINITY PRO SOUND! I still have my BOSE L1 system on sale so please hang on for my order. Question... is this made in CHINA or ITALY? And am I reading this correct? The top array is 50wrms 100wrms peak? HOLY SMOKE!!!!What is the wrms for the bass bin? Also----have you heard this system with DOUBLE STACK TOP ARRAYS WITHOUT THE POLE MOUNT? And how much is that ? You can email me if you still have my address if you prefer.
Yes numbers are correct, the LF driver is IMO around 900WRMS, there is NOT a double stack system, it is TWO systems with the design mounts for the speakers, the most you can do on a system is 2 tops to maintain proper amp impedance and the arrays do not lend themselves in the patter to double stack so 2 tops max on top of the design column only. I have not heard two systems together YET , but imagine is quite impressive, as one system was to us during this video
I have been looking at the DB ES 1203 and the new Evox J8 systems and wondered which you would recommend.
I am looking for a system primarily to cover small gigs up to say 200 people mainly to be used for a solo singer with backing tracks or small acoustic band. I figure I would buy a pair of the Evox system or one of the 1203’s.
For that size of event/gig a pair of the J8 will work or the ES802 or EVOX 8, as well as a Stereo ES1203. We have used a pair of ES503 for a church of 200 or so with full on band and the sound output is amazing
trinityprosound thank you !
trinityprosound what would you recommend for a vocal duo using backing tracks the 1203 system x 1 or 2 x 503 systems?
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or the db 802 x 2?
1203 may be too much and is heavy for the LF box, a pair of 503s or 802s will give you excellent results for groups up to about 250 peeps
Which one is better, mackie or db technologies?
db any day, but would have to qualify that in "what series of speakers" , not a huge Mackie fan here as they don't make anything beyond MI type gear.
Thank you for this video. I have one set of es 1203 and look for an expansion for larger venues. Can I mix one es 1203 with on es 1002?
Thx
Yes that is not a problem at all, is just a power difference between the two and the 1203 can be split where the 1002 can not.
trinityprosound Ok, the ES 1203 seems to have 2 dB more SPL level as the 1002. Is there a big difference between sound. I thought, if both DSP settings are flat, they should sound the same?! The ES1203 has the option for beam stearing, the es 1002 not.
Not much difference in sound between the two, the ES1203 has multiple amps, thus the higher SPL, the steering is about 10 degrees up or down, not a lot as the column is so small top to bottom. Not sure you would notice any difference with or without anything "steered" , yes the 1203 or 1002 will sound the same.
how would you say the comparison would be to the EV Evolve 50?
The EVOLVE 50 is more liken to the EVOX 8 or ES503/802...the ES1203 really kicks some booty for a all in one tall skinny solution.
@@trinityprosoundI'm currently shopping around for a more portable system for my 4 piece band... perhaps this is something to look at seriously?
depending on the size of your events one of these could do 100-150 no issues, music dependent maybe a bit more. if you deploy 2 , go with the ES1002. same stuff, just a mono vs. dual channel system. low end is exceptional for a SUB/LF type system. many of these types of systems will not do what a dedicated subwoofer can do, but this one IMO comes the closest. with 2 ES1002 you can do 300+ at really good levels. we have done full on bands with a pair of ES503's for 200 and headroom as well.
@@trinityprosound es1002 is lower power is is not?
it is , but because it is a mono system to the tops, my take is that the 12" LF speakers have the same power to them as the 1203
What would you say is louder 2 tops of the ES or the IG2T?
ES tops can not be separate only used with ES1203..IG2T can be used with any sub or used alone....
Yes but you could just get an rough equivalent sub like a DB sub 615 run that with IG2T and then run ES1203
Yes that would work, but the IG2T will out run the 615 sub, I think the SUB18H would be more of a appropriate sub to pair with the IG2T, it really does project quite well. From what we have heard with other subs and demos those would pair well. But with that said, you are looking at different set ups, the ES1203 is a SUB/LF driver not a dedicated subwoofer working from 90-100hz and below, cross over for ES1203 is at 160hz, so a bit of LMid going to the 12" drivers...you don't get that with a dedicated top and subwoofer.
Db technologies es 1203 or evox 12? With is better? Pleace help me
what are you wanting to do with the system? live , DJ? size of event ?
@@trinityprosound thank You very much, I play a Yamaha PSR S975 and we sing. I have a soundcraft ui 12.
Ok , either systems will work great, BUT, you can split the ES1203 for smaller gigs, you can't do that with a EVOX12. The ES1203 comes with all the covers too !
@@trinityprosound Thanx, I really appreciate your answer.
This system is better than Bose F1?
This one, the Bose is marginal in our opinion
How many people can I cover using it for DJing with only one system? Also can I combine that system with a 18 inch sub and two way speakers for the bigger shows? For example, something like this: ua-cam.com/video/o7fzdU9-KBQ/v-deo.html
you could do 400-500 with two of the ES1203, but for additional low end, we recommend a SUB18H or 2 to go with it. You don't want to mix and match speakers, sonically and sound dispersion to mix and match different tops, etc. does some real bad things to the sound of your system. Sell off what you have and get all the same type of speakers , subs, etc. so you know they will play well together. Mix and match to get "more" sound is not the way to go.
Ok thanks for the advice. I trust you because you seem legit! What is a good set of speakers and subs to not buy speakers all the time and be able to use them for small, medium and large events (50-800 people)? Also, why do people mix and match all the time? And is mix and match recommendable sometimes when a company seems to make better tops and another company seems to make better subs?
I would go with 4x of the IG4T's and 18" subs. Look at SUB18H or we like the FBT SUBLINE 218SA, those subs for 1200WRMS are amazing and pair very well with the IG4T speakers. People mix and match because they don't know. They think a speaker is a speaker and a system is a system, it is not.... we recommend using the same series and mfr. since the sonic quality and tunign of the the DSP in the active amps will be similar, also mix and match speakers have different coverage patterns and will introduce all sorts of comb filtering and cancellations...people just do not want to do the research and think they "know sound"
trinityprosound Thank you so much for your advice! I want to be very knowledgeable like you in the speaker world! Now I just need to sell some of my gear at a decent price to buy some db or fbt. Thanks!
Hi! How compare es 1203 vs 1002?
Other than the 3 channel amp in the ES1203, the 1002 is about the same output, just a "mono" system that you can't separate the speakers... still same amp family just less power due to 2 channels vs. 3 channels
@@trinityprosound thanks! I want a portabile sistem. I have 2 DB ingenia 1g4T and 2rcf 8003 as2. Es 1203 vs fbt vn 2000 in deep clarity voice on live setup?
Biger bass
ES 12O3 DB TECHNOLOGIES VS RCF EVOX12
AND THE WINNER IS??????
I would have to say ES1203...has more power and I like the sound of the dual 12" in the LF Bass bin...
Hi again. Could I just ask do you feel the bass from something like a 905AS II would be vastly better than that from the 1203 bottom box? The 1203 bass doesn't seem to go very low from your other video, did you find this a problem in the real-world listening test?
The 905AS2 is a dedicated subwoofer albeit a 15" . The LF out of the unit you can hear, but feel, yes up close. For feel you are going to need 18" units and be where the wave develops based on frequency. Larger driver more air moves. We do well with our TTS26A dual 15" subs for feel but use 2 per side and they are 3400WRMS each. The EVOX 12 and ES1203 are systems that use extended LF from the speaker but they are a 2 way speaker system. I think it would be great if they could do a subwoofer, LF and HF section, but that would not be a portable system then... The 905AS2 do a good job for what they are, but there is nothing like a powerful 18" or 21" subwoofer...
Do you feel the bass on the 905ASII is a vast step up from the 1203 or is there not much in it. I ask as the 905 isn't that much bigger and similar weight. Of course you need dedicated tops then.
about even really, but with that said the ES1203 is a pair of LF drivers not a subwoofer...so there will be some trade offs.
Hello,
Why are you using this crappy music to test your systems ? There is a very used piece among the sondiers to test a sound system, like steely Dan, hey nineteen, you should try !
Because of COPY RIGHT. UA-cam will mute the video sound, which makes the video pretty much worthless...thus we use tracks that UA-cam supplies. I have tons of great tracks , but don't want to get into copy right issues and having the audio removed or the video removed. Rules are rules.
Ah, ok.....thats right !
Hi there. What is the price for the dB Technologies ES 1203? And where are they made?
Email us for price...the ES1203 is designed in Italy but assembled and made in China.