An all electric Lobster fishing boat Watch It Work Lorna Jane.
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2024
- A practical demonstration of an all electric lobster potting boat. Hauling, towing, weather and other daily functions. This short is intended to show the capabilities and restrictions of working an all electric fishing vessel. Currently the boat is fully certified and fishing at a commercial level on the west coast of Scotland. For full info and more films go to www.itllneverwork.boats
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Nice little boat. It's just nice to see how much power you need and what these Panels already provide. Batteries and motor/controllers will get cheaper and battery/solar will be the standard for coastal vessels and ferries soon.
Well done sir. There are lot of fishing boats here in Newfoundland, hope some of them see this. Cheers
Very impressive setup. Bravo Zulu for pushing the carbon zero fishing idea. Subscribed.
Im
happy to see this electric application to semi industrial operations in stead of cars.
yeah - for a little while - and while x speed = distance
Cool AF!! I can see the future in your Lorna Jane!!
60 mile range at 5 knots. So can approximate 15 mile range to fishing grounds. Does that take into account leeway, pushing against tide and head on seas and set and drift?
60 is a ballpark figure, possibly more and at times less. When the weather is poor I can lose about 15 miles range on a bad day. Tides can be managed to a certain extent as can set and drift. I'm adapting to what the boat can do. I move fishing grounds regularly. Every boat can be fitted out differently to best suit their working day. I have space for more battery storage if I think I might need it. I haven`t so far. I'm not necessarily trying to present a boat that's better just one that can do the job without burning and diesel and I think this is close to my needs.
You're part of the solution, not part of the problem..... you get a pat on the back!!!
90% subsidies and knowing the rescue assets are predominantly ICE must be reassuring
With Global Emission Reduction Agreements, everyone will have to 'adjust' eventually.
'Currently', many governments haven't met targets agreed to, so offer incentives to consumers, i.e. "up to 90%" in this vid, to fast pace it.
Higher taxes will be applied to gasoline to fund it, electric (or other) vehicles will become more the norm.
Eventually targets will be met, no more tax payer funded incentives, those who didn't take advantage will eventually have their non-compliant vehicle put out of action, have to pay full price to convert, or for most it will be cheaper to use public transport, which is better for most governments as it = less congestion & costs on roads.
As a fisherman I wouldn’t have it as a gift when in trouble no reserves limited us cornwall rains months on end
And your tax money are paying for it. 90% subsidy and all.
What reserve/backup do you have when the diesel shiets itself?
@@Lana_Warwick What reserve/backup do you have when the Electric shiets itself?
Electric is not 100% reliable yet. Too many electronic components in the system. As I have found to my cost.
@@tmog1000 Didn't answer the Q I asked. Only negging elec, when both can & do have issues.
So whatever your answer to my Q is, it's prob similar to mine
Well done!
Thanks, itllneverwork.boats/ takes you to the full length film of how I got there
very pretty boat
Good Luck to a Nice Guy.
What was the cost of the power system?
Hey Hans its yer cousin Rab..good job mate.
Have you explored the idea of using a toroidal propeller on this experimental project. It has been shown that they can greatly increase thrust at the same power utilization. It may be possible to work with a producer of such props to supply you one to gather data for them on usage applicstion.
I believe the biggest issue with these atm is cost vs reward. Like most things, once they become more proven, in demand, production/cost will improve
tRump said he would rather face electrocution than being eaten by a shark 🦞 never fight uphill me boys 💙 seriously, proud of you dude you're an inspiration
Keep it up my friend. You are what’s pushing the future of boating.
would it be possible to convert a conventional shaft driven engine set up? could a normal shaft and prop be converted from diesel to electric without sacrificing any of its speed?
It would take a huge electric motor to turn that setup. But it should be possible. You will always lose power and speed through mechanical disadvantage/waste.
Shaft should be ok, however repowering from one diesel to another diesel would possibly require a prop change for best efficiency/performance.
It's all in mathematics that are way over my head, why there's specialists that work in the industry everyday that can advise.
"Speed" of elec vs diesel are very different things, like comparing a V8 Mustang to a Nissan LEAF.
With Global agreements to reduce pollution, fuel taxes will increase, gasoline engines will faze out, people will eventually have to settle for, at least it's better than walking, allow more travel time.
There may also be certain lobster buyers (i.e., restaurants, hotels, resorts, etc.) who want to offer seafood harvested without fossil fuels. This could be a niche market that helps offset costs and insulate fishermen from price fluctuations. The lower production might also be argued (marketed) to be more sustainable to the consumer.
You’re so right! Embrace the future or get left behind. Keep up the great work. 👍🏻👍🏻
We done sir your totally inspired fantastic great idea as ex boat man my self great 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Bueno job bueno…..what a platform for propeller evaluation.!
Just what I've been looking for. I'm going to be converting a Western Australian 12mtr Aluminium Cray (Lobster) Boat to elec (+ sail), for blue water cruising, the deck being the main living/patio area under the panels, vs most boats having small outdoor areas.
It's great you get up to 90% funding. I can get it for my house, not boat (honestly).
Q; How's the input benefit from down facing panels from water reflection? Apparently due to installer weight considerations, these panels have 3mm glass each side, vs standard having 6mm on top, which could be a concern with hail storms, or even walking on them for cleaning bird shiet, etc.
That Gemini looks a nice cat, not seen one before.
What is fishing without the smell of diesel exhaust!😂
Lmao
5knots is OK if Yr only going a few miles but a 20 plus mile trip is a long day but suits Yr fishing style perfectly
Thanks for the interest James, might surprise you, its surprised me but so far this year I have averaged 29.5 miles per day and some days been up at over 40. You very quickly adapt to working with the tools or performance you've got. The slow doesn`t bother me much now but yes, your right, its a long day.
@@geminicatamaran If this is the Cat that was towed (perhaps same owner of both?), looks like an awesome boat, not seen one before. Just checked your channel, walk through would be good. Will it be converted to elec?
good on you
Bravo!
Thanks, itllneverwork.boats/ takes you to the full length film of how I got there
Solid cater batees 150 mooes 37.5 mile rsnge
Well colour me impressed!
Your small trawler is a "flagship" (if you will pardon the pun) for electrical re-fitment.
I am of the opinion that £137,000 is *TOO MUCH* for what you had installed. The 20kW + ESC is fine, the Victron equipment is excellent. Your batteries could have been *much cheaper* if you had raw 16x3.2V/340Ah LiFePO4 cells with 100A BMS installed.
£680 = 16x320Ah/3.2V (16.384kWh)
Solar panels should now be about £100 for 500W each.
Golden Motors also has some excellent marine motors at very good prices (perhaps 2 x 10kW motors - 1 for backup)
Where did you get the 137K figure from? Was it just for the off-grid components, or the entire refit incl, removal of engine, tanks, lines, etc, etc?
I agree re batteries, however it's likely an insurance requirement for his 'commercial operation', especially if he employs deckhands.
I've got a 15kWh Gobel Power unit with built in extinguishers (~4Kau), insurance Co wont consider it unless Gobel fork out Big $ to get put on a list of approved suppliers🤷♀
If ever required, I'd use the tender outboard as redundancy.
@@Lana_Warwick It's posted on their website! It shows more details.
ON THE WATER WITH NO FUEL SMELL & NO NOISE!!!
a more chill pace of fishing = less stress on the fisherman and fish stocks get a better chance to rebound
8x400W, 3.2kwp?
That boats needs min. 20kw power for moving, so best case you get 1:10 motor running time. Not viable for work.
So does it mean you're on unlimited power for your licence
Its a 20kw motor so a smaller licence required. I got to sell 10kw
Remarkable 😊
Running a regular motor system requires a lot of work every preseason I can only imagine how much an ALL electric system would take and COST!
Thanks, itllneverwork.boats/ takes you to the full length film of how I got there
Sealed units just a few moving parts. No work compared to a fossil boat
From a maintenance point of view after nearly a year of working the boat I have not had to put a spanner, screwdriver or boiler suit on the boat. Yes, when that does come electrical trouble shooting is a challenge.
Expensive, yes, though UK has 90% funding towards conversions of this nature.
This boat has worked commercially for almost a year now and has not burnt any diesel. We are not going to reduce let alone slash our fuel emissions down without carrying some of that burden in inconvenience, re learning and cost on our own shoulders. I would suggest the glass half full approach to this.
would it have been cost effective without taxpayer funding 90%?
@@thomasirvin4159 it’s not a in production so R&D concept. Nothing is first made cheap. Only with mass production does prices drop. Beats paying petrol companies millions in tax subsidies
That’s fine if the sun is shinning, what about a week of rain and clouds
He literally told & showed you @4:23. Just like a house, at times solar will always require some form of grid or generator backup if weather is poor.
do u know what a battery is?
thats a conversion of a existing conventional boat with limitations due the existing design......a new build to the same displacement but designed from the start for electric would be a completely different boat.....a wide set displacement catamaran would close to treble the solar capacity, reducing draw from the battery's
I considered that for a blue water cruiser, especially for the draft. But Cats come with other issues, like bridge slap, higher the clearance = larger the boat, 2 x everything incl cost, not everywhere can lift them out, etc.
IMO, if Cats were great, all the commercial blue water fishing guys would be using them.
Take the weight of the engine, tanks, & everything else nolonger required out of a 12x4mtr aluminium commercial fisher, which offers great outdoor living vs others, lots of overhead for panel patio, add back in maybe 10% weight for motor & batteries, she's a different beast, incl noise, maint, smell, cost.
In my case I'm also not pushing hard like commercial guys, & will be taking advantage of wind with a simple sail setup which I can drop when needed to get under bridges.
So great to see someone going green in the industry
Keep up the great work ❤❤
Solar panels and batteries are not a green as you think.
Must be a Huge Operating Cost Saving.
It would be very interesting to see the initial cost of all the batteries, solar, and all the wiring and supplemental equipment required compared to a traditional ICE, and how many years it would take to break even. I feel that is the big reason we don't see this more.
He should go completely green and buy a sailboat
I’ve been barking up that tree going back to 1995, over the road truck trailers train box cars and ocean liners can be fitted with enough solar to run on an overcast day and charge batteries, I’ve done the math of square footage of solar and watts produced…nice job👍
Some ocean liners are thinking about sail again as a booster , i think anything which is a money saver is good
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The worst and possibly most dangerous environment for Lithium batteries
Not if done right. I'll take LiFePO4 over acid any day.
Plenty of blue water cruisers show their all elec setups on YT. I'm about to convert a 12mtr aluminium cray boat
Li po batteries are not dangerous, do not confuse these batteries with lithium ion fitted in cars etc
Gonna have far more issues than an ic engine. Sounds like a straight bad idea
How? Especially for his semi-retired requirements.
Plenty boats have converted to all elec now, especially blue water cruisers. This vid is just one example
And you're not breathing diesel fumes all day. I hate that.
Wast of time and money have yiu researched how much shit goes into the ozone just to produce one lithium battery
Perhaps, but have you researched the amount of pollution produced creating a diesel engine, drive train and all the other attendant gear on a traditionally powered boat, not to mention the exhaust, used oil and gear lube that is produced by a diesel. It is a trade off.
That is/was true but the same stuff plus combustion has been getting into the air and water for a century because we keep going back to get more fossil fuels... Then we burn them.... there's not even a time where they start paying back the resources and energy used... it's a dead loss That pollutes at every stage ...
The old methods are slow toxic and demand a lot of water but new methods and plant are cleaner plus the batteries use less Li and more of it is getting recycled. The other point is that Li was the first step.. there are new chemistries and batteries that use common less problematic materials ..even the threat of Na.. has helped sit on the Li price and is forcing it to clean up. But it's all the smaller portable personal devices that still need the Li ion tech.
What we do have to recognise is that it's easier to control pollution if it's at one key point not dispersed. That you can only get the best out of renewables if you use a mixture and have batteries to store the variations. Even the grid cannot cope without them.
And life cycle, its a con from everything i see. If it made sense it would be an easy sell. Removing the people prefured option by those in power does not make it the future it makes a nonsense of the available energy resources. EV power could work in situations but not for all and not wirh the current technology and available physics. HC are the future still and ttechnology is making its use better and better by the day. CO2 is no the problem, the lies about it are.
@@snapperboat25 do you have any idea what China is doing to the environment to mine Neodymium? Anyone that wants to make a difference needs to go full force combat mode on India and China because they're dumping ridiculous amounts of plastic into the ocean at an alarming rate. Not to mention all the other toxic shit they do. Harassing people burning fuel telling them they're the problem is ridiculous when China and India exist. ? but guess what? That diesel engine can be fully recycled while there's no way to recycle these lithium batteries. The long-term harm EV is doing to the environment is much worse than the diesel could ever possibly hope to achieve. Carbon emissions is not a problem, just look at a volcano.. can you imagine how much CO2 a volcano emits ..... You're not trying to stop the volcanoes are you 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Dumping plastic into the ocean is definitely a problem.
@@snapperboat25 Well said! Many like Dustin only think about what's in it for him today, not much about our grandchildren's future
Clever but expensive and unnecessarily so. most worrying is that salt water and electricity of that magnitude are a real safety risk, in my view.
5 knots is v slow and to double that speed the battery bank will become huge and the charging demands parallel to that.
You've come in as a demonstrator, but too early as Li technology will be replaced with Na (sodium) and then the cost will plummet- but not just yet.
Thanks, itllneverwork.boats/ takes you to the full length film of how I got there
Perhaps a situation of what works well in this instance is good enough? Not everything will suit every application but people taking the step forward is how the whole industry begins to move.
All sealed units last for decades no maintenance- no down sides. Solar and batteries only getting better- embarrassing so many people don’t know how good electric power is. A small hydro unit in a stream and power cable to boat. Self sufficient commercial 👍
Fully agree this wont suit everyone but it has the potential to suit more than you think.
Some relevant points there though.
Expensive, yes, though UK has 90% funding towards conversions of this nature.
Salt water, yes not good with electricity, I am very aware of this, there are no hull penetrations for sea cocks, shaft or flushing systems so the battery room is very dry. all terminals are sprayed with silicone or sealer.
From a maintenance point of view after nearly a year of working the boat I have not had to put a spanner, screwdriver or boiler suit on the boat. Yes, when that does come electrical trouble shooting is a challenge.
5 Knots is slow, there is not going to be a change to not burning fuels without a compromise somewhere, I have adapted to 5 knots, a lot of fishing boats could also, its very much an attitude change that is required. You get used to it and work around what you have.
This boat has worked commercially for almost a year now and has not burnt any diesel. We are not going to slash our fuel emissions down without carrying some of that burden in inconvenience, re learning and cost on our own shoulders. I would suggest the glass half full approach to this.
@@eddiev1980 Glass half full approach, thanks
Hell no no way. Former USCG.
Two words……….redundant systems.
Yep! Are you suggesting one does it better than the other?
Bruuh u should solar a houseboat so ucan enjoy life on the go. Da boat too small.
What a load of nonsense. Yeah right, I’m going to go to sea and put my life in the hands of solar panels 😂
Plenty of us doing it, incl plenty of BWC youtube channels. Can have issues with engines & fuel. The sun will eventually appear on those panels to power a motor.
@@Lana_Warwick 😂 Sure you are.
@@Lana_Warwick Hopefully the ocean won’t rise up and kill you before the sun comes out 🙄
Yet land stripping for batteries together with fact that batteries can ignite make it long term impractical. Foolish!
U don't knoe wtf your talking about lol
@@lifebehindtheselens Did a thesis on the topic from world studies. I think so.
@@lifebehindtheselensyou are ignorant
@@jett3332BS, let’s see this “thesis”
Please give credit to the work of the musician you are using in the videos, do not plagiarise!
Thanks, Will do, it's a guy that stays 5 houses up from me, he's done the whole feature film soundtrack aswell on itllneverwork.boats/thefilm
An all electric fishing boat!!!? It's like we're living in Donald Trump's worst nightmare!
NO!!! NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!! Nonsense is what this is
Lol, Plenty of NO's, no explanation of nonsense in what way?
This is just one example, plenty of it out there now. Not suitable if you want to push 10+ knots all day, but good enough for him & any others, incl plenty of BWCs
This might be a solution decades from now. Unfortunately, solar energy pollution is three times more than conventional fuels. That’s an estimate before factoring in spent batteries. I’m all for a better solution, batteries are not it.
Right now it looks like decades from now we will all be firmly on the road to being toast, you better come up with your better solution pretty quickly. I'd be interested where you got your bold statement about solar being 3x dirtier than diesel so I can educate myself.
Yes
Wrong
@@geminicatamaran
Just take a look at China’s decimated environment from mining and production of solar components. It’s not very hard to figure out.
@@sharonbraselton3135
ua-cam.com/video/JHtQLjNGxNg/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared.
Stop commercial fishing of open waters, if you want to save the planet and want to lobster,farm them like all other sustainable products.
Farming is bad. They use antibiotics on the fish. It's about as nasty as chicken ranches.
I live in a yurt on a small mountain farm and have four fish ponds plus I garden.
I never had kids either. Kids are the worst on the environment! 😅 Im a small impact footprint but not many ca do this... way too much work!
@@astrophelhart3806 Nothing incomparison to the damage open water commercial fishing does to not just target product but the massive bycatch discarded that die,the commercial fisherman claim the majority survive,studies show a different story.
I prefer a real boat with 5000 miles of range.
Hybrude hydergen😅
What is all the fuss about? At the end of the day fossil fuels will be with us for a long while more until someone comes up with another really reliable energy resource.
Stupid idea
Hope the sun doesn’t go out, you might not get home
Huh?🤔He said he gets home with 50% battery remaining, + not many lobster boats coming home in the dark, going out maybe. Plus when does the sun "go out"?
@@Lana_Warwick you know the electric vehicle scam is all bs.
Look at the real cost to produce one, don’t get sucked in sweetheart
90 percent subsidy. So where does that come from? The people using fuel that's who! No wonder your smiling.
I guess you stay home on cloudy & rainy days?
He said he still has 50% when he gets back. Can charge off grid at dock if required. All solar requires some form backup, as do most things
Like to see you fix it at sea if your boat breaks in the ocean your done gaurantee 5 to 10 years you will be using deisel that boat takes on water your done i can think of so many situations that happens at sea that will knock out e boat but deisel either could be fixed or wouldnt effect it might be ok for this guy to run a boat like this but not going to be viable for most boats
so no sun and your out all day poor weather? battery for a boat is a no go !! for a boat around 12 to 20 ton your wee boat might weigh 2.2 ton diesel is king! and always will be!!
Hybride
He said he still has 50% when he gets back. Can charge off grid at dock if required. What do you do if the diesel shiets itself?
Lead base petrol through a V8 carburettor was King before that, but wasn't any good for us or our grandkids either
@@Lana_Warwick wro n g that biilll shot face Ned I a
@@Lana_Warwick little boat not going far ! bigger boat needs diesel battery no good! battery cars fine for an old lady going to the shop no use if you have to travel a long way in the snow? they have not put enough thought in to it and it wont work you need heaters in a car for a start battery will not last at sea you need diesel battery will not work wast of time this planet needs coal and petrol and diesel who can afford to heat there house with eletric? no body unless your rich
@@Lana_Warwick is he hauling 900 pots per day? dont think so!! hes playing at it !
Thanks, itllneverwork.boats/ takes you to the full length film of how I got there
itllneverwork.boats/thefilm The whole story. This blockbuster sellout movie made entirely in Argyll by locals is developing cult status. It is a true story, a drama, a documentary, a visual spectacular, a thriller, an action movie, a comedy, a snapshot of real life, a feel good as well as tragedy and an environmental statement all set in the West Coast of Scotland's fishing industry. Something for everyone.