The Brave Luna's Howl vs Not Forgotten vs Zaouli's Bane vs The World (FULL REVIEW)
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2024
- Lot's to talk about in this video. I giev a full review of the returning Luna's Howl and a lot of it is showing you how to get magnificent howl going. I have recommended god rolls for PvE and PvP. I talk about where the floor and ceiling is in PvP and compare that to not forgotten. PvE wise, I give my thoughts on where it stands "vs" Zaouli's Bane. It's a great one and will be used going forward and a lot of that is due to the frame itself.
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Thank you for watching! I do wonder if they will add other 140 precision later on.
I presume they'll add Not Forgotten with maybe higher base range, and perks that emphasize range more whenever they refresh Onslaught next year?
I hope this sets a precedent for more 140 Precision Frame HCs, aside from just Luna's and Not Forgotten. The 140 RPM class of HC has always felt like what I would expect of a "precision" weapon, powerful when used, but punishing if used improperly. So I hope Bungie takes this feedback and runs with it.
@@ZeeSipsthey said if they bring it back they want the focus to be on not forgotten alone as a special reward so it probably wouldn't be part of a refresh alongside other weapons
In B4 comp crucible reward like rose.
Yeah I did have a bit of a play with Subsistence-MagHowl in PvE but found it was basically a whole lot of effort to get (very) slightly more damage than my old igneous with Subsistence-Rampagex3 and it was too easy to end up losing them and having to go through it all over again. More interested in going for the Subsistence-Incandescent for PvE personally to avoid ever having to reload (much like the igneous).
Drank my coffee. Got to work no traffic. New Coolguy review comes out. Today is really starting out as a good day.
I read that shit over the ice cube beat and all too! Gg!
Bro has no enemies
Exactly
With 69 likes at moment. Nice!
@@chysero8636 you got me with that one 😂😂😂
My first drop was a shiny Heal Clip + Incandescent roll. Absolutely loving it on Precious Scars Solar Titan.
I feel like subsistance would be better with that. You are getting tons of healing anyway with PS, with subsistance against easier enemies you are able to never reload (each kill refunds 2 ammo).
@@MrDrapichrusteven with previous scars giving resto, heal clip let's you play more aggressively. I prefer it for my play style
@@MrDrapichrustthere is no such thing as too much healing lol
@@HerrSchemmey Heal clip with a 2.5sec reload just feels strange to me, especially since the ammo is at the end of the animation so you can't even reload early.
It's nice to have a pocket heal but I'm stunning myself for 2 seconds each time.
@@MrDrapichrustsubsistence falls off in harder content where it takes too many bullets to kill that you don't get back from it proccing
Not having epochal integration in the title is CRIMINAL. It has double accuracy perks and it feels very, very good (although i will say lunas feels much better in the air)
Luna’s feels better cuz it has over triple the AE if you put on an Icarus mod lmao
EI: 18
Luna’s: base 45, Icarus 60
@@ShadowSlayr22 honestly keep away has changed the way i look at handcannon rolls. It makes me un-afraid to fire in the air or hipfire
Unfortunately there are like 4 handcannons with keep away
I adore epochal. It's my main hc since I run solar like 80% of the time so it works for me in both pve and pvp. However, in pvp, Epochal lacks something that Luna's has in spades: lethality. EI is built for consistency; just existing in your optimal range gives stat bumps and when EotS triggers, you get even more accurate. Luna has the ability to get bonuses to accuracy *and* damage with one being one the the highest damage bonuses in the game (only other perk that can give a 50% damage bonus is golden tricorn). They both have their place and they both feel phenomenal, it's just a matter of what you're looking for. Plus Epochal is static, the roll being compared is a bit iffy when Luna and Zaoili both have a bigger pool of options.
I really don't see epochal getting enough love. As a hand cannon lover, I just hit 16,000 kills on my epochal. This season it is so disgusting and I love it. Stats for all works so well with it and it feels so crispy.
I guarantee once the final shape drops we're gonna see a whole lot of Not Forgotten's. To be better than NF, you literally have to get a 5/5 Lunas Howl and most people aren't gonna be that lucky. I saved up over 500 brave trophies and didn't even get a good Lunas, let alone the god roll.
Guns pretty trash tbh.
1. Because crimson existsts. making it completely irrelevant.
2. Because not forgotten still shits all over it.
NF looks way worse, which is worth at least 10 range.
I've been farming Blast Furnace for this reason. I'd love a perfect Luna's but I don't have that kinda time (or luck)
the RNG sucks with Brave weapon. I haven't gotten a single roll for any of the weapons except Elsie's
@Kumari_44 My brother in christ, what are you smoking
The visual recoil of its original frame is what sells it for me. 140s tend to be in this awkward spot of too much visual recoil and *just* enough RoF to throw your aim off if you're firing at full speed. The gun visually settling faster helps a ton with hitting those chained precision hits.
In my experience it’s the opposite, it’s quite difficult to see the target when you aren’t pacing every shot.
As you mentioned, using magnificent howl with even the one stack as a "kill clip on demand" has been incredibly nice in PvP. I learned the hard way that trying to get greedy with stacks was too high risk. Aiming for two or three is the sweet spot for me, or even the one, and you're still racking up kills. The ease of use is fantastic, so I highly recommend to anyone that hasn't gotten into HCs before.
For me 3 mag howl shots is the sweet spot allows for back to back 2 taps and its a lot easier to stack 3 mag howl shots than going for 5/6/7. And even just having 1 stack is incredibly useful for my next gun fight allowing me to 3 tap out past 40m. I love mag howl in 6s and even clash comp but in Trials or other round based modes I'll stick with Thorn/Hawkmoon/Iggy.
This is one of those reviews that reminds me why I follow you. I clocked how MagHowl worked in the crucible, how utterly mediocre it was in PVE even with Lucky Pants, and how great the heal clip/incandescent roll is for PVE before I saw this review. That sets a precedent for accuracy. So when I hear explanations for stuff that I didn't see right away, I know I can trust that info. I'm now looking forward to finding a 71 range Precision Instrument/Encore Luna's Howl thanks to you. Back to the grind!
Having a hard time getting over the disconnect between the 140 rpm fire rate and the 180 hand cannon recoil style. Feels good on controller, bad on mnk personally. But, zhaouli is ugly and looks are the true endgame so I'm gonna go with Luna anyway
Feels weird, but I've never fully stopped using NF so still kinda used to it. I am disappointed that it isn't a 180 though
Feels bad on controller too.
It's throwing me off and I'm a HC main, going from Ace to Lumas feels horrendously bad.
Albeit I'll Give it a real shot once i get a 70 range roll to actually test cause 53R is like 31m instead of 33.5 where meta HCs sit.
Zaoulis was my first crafted weapon from Kings Fall. Everyone swears by it but the gun model and reload animation do not spark joy for me. I’ve been using Epochal integration this entire season because it feels smooth as butter but as soon as I get my God Roll Luna’s it’s on
@@fotis3v480you just need to get used to the recoil, then it’s like butter
I don’t like 180 recoil. I prefer the 140 recoil.
Your guides are always so helpful and informative and never feel forced. As a casual player, it really helps me long term to have a outlook on what the weapon offers from both PvP and PvE standpoints. It cuts down on a lot of time spent on something my may not even want pr want to use later. Can never thank you enough for all the hard work you do. You are a blessing to the Destiny Community ✨️
So glad I saw this video before deleting any. I have your 5/5 roll and will now test it out! Thanks for the great review as usual CG!
The detail in your reviews is appreciated.
Nearly every other review I’ve seen just picks perks they haven’t tried.
Been waiting for this one. Thanks for the quality review as always
Another fantastic breakdown, CoolGuy!
As much as I love Blast Furnace and Hammerhead, Luna's is probably gonna stay focused until Final Shape. It's just so good.
thank you Coolguy for the reviews we love them!
I got encore, and precision instrument felt so crisp in 1v1. Another great review can't wait for the blast furance review.
Very good review , just what I needed , nice easy paced detailed and well explained. Thanks 👍👍 new fan 😊😊
Top tier thoughts as always CG, can't wait to get my Heal Clip/Incandescent roll!
Hey CoolGuy! Love your videos. I wanted to mention that you should look into the details on how the new origin trait works along with perks like demo and wellspring. The community insights there are off, ever since the December ability updates. These perks now scale with the cooldown of the ability they are effecting. So that 5% number has a big asterisk and can be as low as 2.5%, if I understood those changes correctly. I know you’re a demo/wellspring enjoyer, not to mention the relevance with the new brave origin trait, so I thought you’d want to know.
You’re the best bud🎉😊. Thanks for all you do in the D2 community. Needless to say, I’m a huge fan.
Veteran player returning after many seasons away… this was really helpful. I used to just farm HC’s for KC but there are now so many more perk options for players of meh skill like me to improve their game.
Great video. Awesome break down. Thx!
Random, but i like the little Into The Light banner on your thumbnails. It’s eye catching & well done
Great review as always thanks
Did a wall test, n omg... Flip your controller/mouse upside down, aim and pull trigger with no other input.
100% accurate, just amazing!
Precision frame's intrinsic also adds +25 AE, making Luna's the best HC from the air.
Rolls with heal clip & magnificent howl, my favorite roll so far.
Pair with worm husk, reload dodge, vigilance fragment ECT... ECT..
Chain those 2 taps @ full health for every engagement back to back!
Been eagerly awaiting Luna's return since it was announced, soooo glad it's better than I thought it was going to be.
Looking forward to this!
With a range masterwork and Full Bore its very precise even with the hit on stability from the perk just from the frame itself.
I highly agree with your take on precision instrument. It feels like a lot of people overlook it, but it's one of my favorites. And if I want Magnificent Howl I'll just grab my Not Forgotten instead.
You can always tell the weapons you're really interested in. Great review
So nice I need to watch the review twice on release day
I hope and pray, that your heath is better! Thanks for consistently putting out awesome videos, man!
Who's heath?
Been patiently waiting for this one ❤
Did you mix footage of a roll with heal/kill clip and one without heal clip? Because I didn‘t see the cure proc several times after a kill there
Love your work bro thx!
You really convinced me on precision instrument oncore. Definitely going to grind to get one. That one looks good. I like the consistent damage.
Thanks Cool Guy!
This video was… COOL! 🙌🏻
Hey Cool Guy, hope all is well. Just wondering I have a Mac roll on Luna with slide shot and desperate measures on it. Do you believe this would not be good for dueling in PVP. I have tried it yet myself. Just wondering your opinion.
Wishing the best for you man.
Hey cool guy, interesting thing ive been thinking about which is the best elemental percombo how they preform and what weapons the work best . You talk alot about the healclip incandescent. But what about the slice hatchlings of the world, the repluse destabilizing the eddy current voltshots . And what perks you could come up with for stuff like stasis.
drop rates for the shinys are so low having this breakdown helps a ton! Thanks a lot man!
Thanks for gettin nerdy with it buddy...👊
Thank you for turning off the artifact perk for radiant after 3 precision hits! I was worried it might not feel as good in later seasons without a constant 10% damage bonus artificially inflating the range, which other content creators seemed to forget about. I appreciate your attention to detail!
I've got the encore, precision instrument, 71 range roll. I'll have to give it a try.
Doomed Petitioned! Respect. Great review, actually convinced me to farm for some more Luna's.
Got your pvp godroll can't wait to try it out. Curious what the enhanced encore and precision bring to the table.
After your blast furnace video would you be willing to plausibly make a review on imperial decree shotgun ?
Can't wait for your blast furnace review
Do you know the exact distance in meters that precision instrument adds ?
Got a 61 range shiny lunas with eye of the storm/subsitence and Mag Howl/desperate measures. I absolutely love it.
I love encore on my adept igneous hammer and to no surprise I love it on Lunas. So many people sweep that perk under the rug.
Is this a bad gun to use with Transversive Steps? Does the auto reload function of the exotic mess with Magnificent Howl? Or does MH only activate on a manual reloads?
I landed on the same weapon choice of Encore and Precision Instrument. Less hoops to jump through to get damage perk and the bonus range and accuracy for a scrub like me. Been a fan of Encore since your Empirical Evidence video... 🤙
The shader at 00:49 really threw me off 🤣 my brain almost imploded with the unexpected change in colours
Cool guy quality. Adept video as usual
I was playing iron banner yesterday testing a few Mag Howl rolls and learned the hard way that 3 stacks is the sweet spot.
Desperate measures x1 with radiant is 2 head 1 body against tier 10 resil for 7 seconds without needing to reload & can be refreshed.
Got my Heal Clip + Incandescent + Master work reload. I’m happy. Gonna work on a god roll edge transit now before update
Great video as always. I think I am set on Slideshot Precision Instrument. What I like with it is that Slide Shot will get your range there for the first shot or two then Precision Instrument will carry your damage fall off for the last shot. I think it is a really good combo to be honest.
I think slideshot only works for the first shot.
Incorrect.
@@ramudon2428 Sometimes Slideshot procs again during the slide. That's why I put 1-2 shots in my comment.
@@voodoolab814 Oh cool, I didn't know that. Thanks for correcting me.
very big fan of my subsistence incandescent roll! to me it just feels a lot better to use then zaouli's bane. definitely a preference thing for sure but i love mine a lot
Btw we'll be able to enhance precision instrument so it'll give even more dmg so more 3 tap range
How does Transversive Steps work with this? Instead of the holster mods… I wish I had a roll to try that. I’m gonna grind for them today. Good stuff.
@coolguy
Another cheese for mag howl ammo, transverse steps will reload the mag without consuming precious shots to get mag howl
I was using Not Forgotten last night while playing Iron Banner and it felt great.
Where do you get Lunas? Ive been on a few month break from d2. Might jump back on.
What's the setting that makes your radar outlined like that?
For controller, would it be better to go hammer forged or is full bore still manageable?
I have the heal clip/incandescent igneous. It has ricochet rounds and a reload masterwork. I chose arrowhead over extended barrel. It’s so nice.
@CoolGuyGames : Great video as always. Saw your latest X post. Praying for you and your speedy recovery. Please let the community know how we can be of service to you brother. 🙏🏽 We love you man!
Whats really awesome is that i got both rolls Coolguy recommends on one shiny roll. It has both encore precision instrument and heal clip incandescent with good barrel perks, ricochet rounds and a range masterwork. So i have a workhorse Luna for both pve and pvp. Plus since it is shiny I will be able to enhance the perks when final shape drops.
Heal clip-incandescent was a hot apocalypse last night in legend onslaught. (Wellock)
The holster cheese is nice, but I got one with Slideshot/Howl, and you can pair it with Transversives to completely bypass the risk of wasting Howl shots when your normal magazine empties
Curious about your thoughts on a subsistence/magnificent howl role for PVE... Would subsistence play a part in keeping magnificent howl x 10 stacks or would they simply go away after being used
They go away if you don’t kill anything with precision. But with sub, if you don’t have anymore mag howl stacks, you can loop the kills up again without reloading yet and then reload into more mag howl shots.
Yeah I thought that but I wasn't sure if I got a kill with magnificent Howell at the subsistence wouldn't return that stack... I'm probably just hoping on something that sounds too good to be true lol
I come back to confirm that sub-mag howl is not as efficient in high end PVE. I was in denial but I had to swap to my bane and saw the difference.
@13:39 I gotta ask what shader is on your LH?
I just got a extended barrel, high caliber rounds, encore, magnificent howl, and a range MW. I am actually glad i got it. I haven't tried it in PVP yet, but i bet it goes hard.
My first shiny lunas dropped with encore and precision and oh baby it's slays out!
Got a 4/5 roll on my 3rd drop. Got 4 werans in the first day. Would 100% recommend slide+mh.
I got one to drop that has exactly the same stats as Not Forgotten but w\ 15 more handling and eye of the storm. Feels really nice!
I really enjoyed slideshot incandescent for PvE run and gun style kept me sharp for crucible lol that and if you’re just sitting back nonstop shooting you prob should be using special heavy or you’re in a GM with a bow or Polaris
hey man I just found you today and I love the breakdown. i was also just wondering, do you play console or pc?
I play console mostly, cheaters on PC have kept me away from there
@CoolGuyGames yea. I recently got my pc fixed, I've played hard console even got a p5 and the edge controller. I just really love the movement keys give you
Thanks!
Thanks 😀
Good
Morning CoolGuy!
Gonna start grinding for this as soon as I get my shiny blast furnace.
Stacking precision final blows with rain of fire because those boots are my crutch🔥
Heal clip and PC kind of works really well together. Get the kill at low and reload for full health
Recently got a shiny Luna with Discord/Heal Clip and Incandescent/Kill Clip. Been my default hand cannon choice for the last couple weeks.
My first shiny drop was smallbore/ricochet/EOTS and magnificent howl. Very solid roll, I kinda prefer precision instrument though. Really helps with that damage falloff.
Thats just the curated that everybody gets
@@SerCaelus don't mind me, I'm dumb 🫠
Awesome playing with you yesterday cool guy! Was fortunate enough to be on your team, we shredded the other team on multiplex! GG’s
Got a hc / inc roll on my igneous..so imma stick with that..got the rolls u recommended, but not the range😢..back to grind
Sunsetting made me forget how much I do not like Luna’s Howl as a 140, at least not with the 180 recoil pattern
I finally got my heal clip incan roll the other day and it's really between this and zals bane.
I honestly think they're both great (for slightly different reasons), but I kind of just like the way Luna's shoots and feels compared to zal, even on M&K. Also heal clip can really save your bacon.
Just finished operating on my first patient...waiting on the 2nd patient to come to the OR. Time to watch a coolguy review
You can also run Traversive Steps on Warlock to refill mag without reloading.
While I much appreciate my Kill Clip + Heal Clip as well as my Incandescent + Enlightened Action roll for PVE, I do find that there is a weird quirky combination on Luna's Howl to make Magnificent Howl work: Discord + MH
Hear me out: Normally I would never consider Discord on a primary; however, Discord does two things for this gun. One, it bypasses the very low reload speed that requries a loader mod to compensate for it by filling the entire mag with one kill. Two, Precision Hits are not converted into Howl shots by Discord; only manual reload, which can easily get you your x10 stacks.
The way I made this work in Onslaught was to slap on a weapon with Harmony/Recombination/Desperate Measures as my secondary option, and I would use that to proc Discord whenever I got to 4 ammo left in the mag. Then I would reload Luna's Howl with x10 stacks and use that until my ammo is gone. Then repeat.
Is it particularly better than Kill Clip / Heal Clip for most situations? Nah, but I do admit it's a fun, unique roll that does work and may be better with Enhanced Traits.
Heal clip + Benevolence + Indomitability + Verity’s Brow = constant double damage grenades and grenades for your allies. Pairs well with Desperate measures too for near permanent 30% damage boost
Slideshot howl with 61 range is what I'm using currently. It feels alright, though the recoil is pretty weird to get used to.
I'm just glad they went with luna and not NF for the brave arsenal, as I much prefer the design on luna.
I have attempted to farm a bunch of these. Had some bad luck with people backing out of Onslaught after round 20. That aside, my favorite one is an encore/precision instrument with range masterwork and ricochet. Missing a range barrel, but with PI, it’s barely noticed.
Got myself 3 Luna's Howls
Slideshot+Kill Clip
Eye of the Storm+Magnificent Howl
Encore+Precision Instrument
And gotta say the third one felt the more consistent for me, while do wanted to make the Magnificent Howl my main I'm not skilled enough to proc it consistently so just having the stats benefits by just shooting felt amazing, wish it had Range MW but still pretty good
Ive got HC KC and its great. Ill try HC MH once i get that combo