What does the world think of Brexit Britain?
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2019
- From Continental Europe to the USA - Gary Gibbon and his guests discuss the international view of Brexit - and what our imminent departure from the EU could mean for how the world sees Britain for years to come. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
This week Gary is joined by two experts in foreign policy: Hans Kundnani, a Senior Research Fellow at Chatham House - and Jeremy Shapiro, a Research Director at the European Council on Foreign Relations, and a former State Department aide to Barack Obama.
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I disagree that its fear that keeps the EU together.
No it’s not fear it’s just realizing that we are stronger together
I would vote a thousand time for the EU...it's a simple choice.
A union that benefits the economy and most of my personal views. As a single country (NL) we'd have lesser trade and way less influence. Sure the EU has a lot of flaws but leaving instead of improving is just plain irrational.
@@Snaakie83 The other side of the arguement is that in the UK we have had enough of foreign rule. It all comes down to the people want to rule ourselves again, not have policy implemented in some parliament in Brussels. The notion that staying in the EU for economic benefits is a fair one, but Europe is not the world. There are 27 countries in the EU, but 195 in the world. We would be able to open up our own trade with the WTO, lower tariffs, lower prices.
@@blackfyreproductions1249 And yet that is not how you appear. You are a joke now. And there is nothing you can do about it.
@@blackfyreproductions1249 what's the difference between being governed by a parliament in Westminster rather than "some" parliament in Brussels?
@SMEGY 89 that is because they have signed some agreement and they are not respecting them, as it is with any contract.
The American seems to know more about continental Europe than the Brit.
Hardly, see my posted comment.
A lot of this is speculation. He says 'the uk doesn't have the same sanity so it's not going to be as important' That is an asinine comment, he doesn't prelude this comment much and he doesn't give both sides of modifying membership, the pro's and cons in regards to economics or political and financial control. He said they lost stability and respect going into the Iraq war, but this is totally separate from the whole discussion, they are talking about what does the world think of 'Brexit Britain'. What he says in these statements by accident, is that the old labour government made massive mistakes in Iraq, 'all' previous governments made mistakes in our power progression, finance and productivity, and then 'this government' is trying to manage a leaving of EU full membership and in part clearing up the mess of previous governments.
He is completely incoherent therefore in his speech. He should say; 'There have been previous events which have weakened British influence, however, Brexit is yet to be seen in terms of how the wider world and America view Britain, without applying hyperbole, it says more about the ideologies of Britain and the EU commission and relationships between Britain, Europe and the EU establishment. Furthermore to see the actual effects of world opinion on Britain, it will take time and will be reserved 5 years hence, after the effects of Brexit.
He argues pretty good and is clearly way more unbiased. Of course he could be wrong but he has a good base for his predictions. Wihle the other guy is trying to make up some benefits and is failing miserabley. The only mayor thing he sais is, that no one can predict the future.
It is Kind if ironic that England dislikes the European union so much but at the same time threatens Scotland and northern Ireland not to leave their union
Werbekball as a Scot the entire Brexit process is bemusing. We were quizzed on every tiny aspect of our plan to leave the UK. The same people who had no idea what to do when we voted for Brexit demanded we had to have a detailed plan explaining exactly how the process of withdrawing for the uk would work. The same arguments used against Scottish independence are dismissed as fear mongering but Brexitiers. A united Ireland and a free Scotland are not too far away now.
The will of the people only count for english people, everyone else has to shut up and be good slaves or they will send the army.
You want irony, May has literally said in PMQs to SNP members challenging her methods that leaving the UK will hurt Scotland greatly and they should stop pushing for a divorce from the UK.
Which is the most tonedeaf response I have ever heard, considering it is exactly what is happening with UK and EU. Especially when Scotland's desires and needs do seem to be frequently neglected by UK parliament.
dont be so stupid, are you telling me that you think scotland and ireland are the same as the eu ? grow up
:) Comparing Scotland or Northern Ireland to completely different countries is crazy. Scotland and Ireland are not countries in their own right, they are a part of the United Kingdom.
Fear is holding the EU together ?? only an Englishman could come up with that !
Projection of perspective l guess.
I always have to ask, fear of what? okay Economic issues, but that's not Tyranny
Or Greek perhaps?
As I am not an Englishman, your statement is wrong. Also, I suggest you read my words again and figure in some cynicism. Yes, Westminster today is really a terrifying and deterring example of governmental failure. Seen from the outside, many European citizens experience a sensation of fear of being governed by something comparable to that!
They are confusing *fear* with *prudence*. It's prudence what indeed is holding the EU union, which is a subtle difference, but a very important one. To see the consequences of folly and not wanting to repeat it is certainly not fear, certainly not with the negative connotation of the word.
Two Britons talking to an American makes interesting conversation, though it hardly qualifies as ‘the outside look’.
What, do you actually expect the British press to ask an actual European which they haven't dug up from under a stone somewhere so that he parrots what they want to hear?
@@swanpride I would be interested to hear from experts out of Commonwealth countries
@@bartdrenth3753 Oh, absolutely!
Well, the last time I looked at a world map, America is outside the UK, therefore I would venture to say this is an outside look at Brexit. Having said that, if you listened to the American, we're not interested in your politics in general and Brexit in particular. This is the same way Americans felt when WW I & II broke out, but unfortunately two Democrat presidents stuck their noses in world affairs and involved us in yet another European war.
@@swanpride Yesh. Moon on a stick, I know But that is what I would have expected yes. Call me naive.
We are not afraid in the EU at all.
Brexit wasn't ment to be a war or to make anyone scared it's only a trade agreement and you can guarantee there be a new trade agreement made between Britain and the EU very soon
@@jamiepoul738 The EU is way more than a trade agreement and you can't guarantee anything.
You should be. When the EU implodes, it is going to be a disaster and it isn't far away. Tick tock...
@@peterjj1991 the EU is supposed to be a trade block but the leaders are trying to take over the countrys in it ...is that a better description for you ? I honestly don't care if you make a deal or not I've drove BMW since I past my driving test 25 years ago but my next car will be a Honda...fck the EU
Hey Hi so, when?
Please UK leave the EU. If 50% of the population does not want to be with the EU, it is better to say goodbye to each other. We, the rest of Europe, will survive.
Try to do it yourself for a while. We will remain friends. But leave us, continentals, alone and let us make Europe stronger.
Bert kassing most rational post I've read about Brexit 👍 no argument just leave wish each other the best stay friends and move on 👏
we are trying to..
@@tramtrackharry bert kassing is the first person I've seen comment this 👍all the bad feelings and harsh words don't help with this transition! I wish the EU the best for the future
Goodbye. Do not ask for help when you are taken over by Germany again.
@@HWoah why do you say things like this?
This is some of the poorest analysis I have heard. This British man's statement was so peppered by qualifying adverbs "you know, kind of, it seemed to me, as I say" and the other two seem to be embarrassed for him.
It's clear to anyone that the world is flabbergasted, and embarrassed for the UK. It's as if a once great power has got Alzheimer's. We are King Lear.
The American makes much clearer relevant points about contagion and comes across as far more competent.
We have voted for our own irrelevance.
Ok 2 Brits and 1 American, ... that's the World
That is the British idea about the world
and here we see European's views of Brits
The Swedish populist, euro-skeptic and anti-immigrant party "Sweden Democrats" recently dropped their anti-EU stance because of Brexit. It simply became an untenable position to argue for a "Swexit" with everything that is going on in the UK. A few months before that the euro-skeptic socialist left party did the same thing. They are now talking about reforming it from within.
It goes to show how insane the Brexit position has become, that the "allies" are seeing themselves forced to revise their position.
Lol, thanks to Brexit euro-leavers have died out all over Europe, not just in Sweden. If the EU will come out of Brexit more cohesive and with improved institutions the Brits deserve our gratitude.
'Reform from within' is exactly what I've been saying from the start. Now we'll still have to follow the rules but won't have a say on them.
Arguably, this has been the only good thing to come out of Brexit... Finally the EU is recognising that is _does_ need reform. I hope they can do something before we leave and give the idiots who caused this mess to reconsider since it doesn't look like we're leaving next month.
The thing is that in most countries there are concerns about EU and colossal gains. In Denmark there is a broad concern against rights given to EU citizens getting rights to social benefits, and frankly we are very worried about Sweden, the handling of immigrants and the open gates if Sweden gives out citizenships. A key concern rests with unions who are afraid of competition, it is that you need 12 months employment to have the right to benefits in Denmark, but someone from another EU country qualifies after 2 weeks.
In the end EU needs to strike a balance that respect one country's tax base against being exploited by other nations citizens. The free movement of labour is amazing but the rules are a mess.
Zoey Lowlands what reforms?
The same in Poland, many of the activists and politicians who spoke earlier about the destruction of the EU or about leaving it by Poland (sic!), today change their rhetoric and slowly talk about the need to reform the European Union to make it work better.
How about "competence"? After Brexit the EU negotiated as a competent group of adults while the UK came across as immature and uninformed.
The Yank understands. The Brit is looking forward to Maoism!
It's interesting seeing the American make more sense than the Brit. Seemed like one had his homework done and the other shared his hopes or feelings.
Or he is a pro EU puppet...
He sounds like an EU puppet.
@@HWoah yeah, and you sound like a Russian bot.
Hans is totally driven by his British patriotism, no professional rationality at all. Like him is was pro-remain during the debate, but I'm not going to join his "it'll all work out in the end" bandwagon. 🙄
@joe caterman The lawmakers in the EU Parliament are ALL elected in their respective nations. How is that making them 'undemocratic'?
It looks like a drunk fighting with a lamppost that’s obviously not fighting back but, the drunk is absolutely convinced he’s in a serious fight and once he sobers up he’s going to realize that he’s really injured himself while the lamppost continues to simply be a lamppost that obviously wasn’t (indigenous political systems decisions and will) and can’t (sovereignty) fight.
WOW... Nice!!
lol
yeah it's not really similar is it?
@@tramtrackharry It really is though
@@tramtrackharry The analogy of fighting something that is not a threat is fairly accurate.
We at the continent are perplexed by the decision of a EU member country to leave the idea of unity, solidarity and being strong-together. At the end in the big geopolitical pond and the division of the world in 3-4 economic and power blocks the UK will be a nobody. This is what leaves about everybody on the planet and on the continent even more so totally flabbergasted.
@vj lockett how has it reacted? Extremely reasonably imo, given the UK government has been an utter shambles, not having any clear idea what kind of deal it wants or any suggestions on how to solve the constitutional problems that were so obviously going to occur to the outside world.
British people with working brain cells feel even worse.
Even more frustrating is knowing that if the vote was run again tomorrow, we'd be remaining because reality is starting to kick in.
It's clear the mood has changed and people have come to their senses but politicians area treating us like a small child who let their dinner get cold and now has to eat the cold dinner.
What your EUSSR buddies ain't telling you, is without the UK the EUSSR becomes insolvent. Us brits will be just fine, only paying for our own families.
PAY YOUR OWN BILLS LEACH.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 that's what Hitler, Goering and the luftwaffe said. How did that work out for you Europhiles.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 where are you from? Scumbag Britain saved the continent twice
No-one will be keen to negotiate with the British over anything after its behaviour in the two years of talks with the EU27.
I think the world can see how disgusting the EU has behaved towards the UK so will still do deals with us. I know our British Commonwealth (2.2 billion people) are keen.
@@squizza28 The EU27 spent two years negotiating with the British on the basis of the British "red lines". When agreement was reached, the British parliament rejected it. The EU27 position was laid out two years ago and hasn't wavered. Good luck with exports to India.
We're quite keen to negotiate with the British. We have a massive milk surplus we'd love to have them buy from us. It's cheap, there's lots of it and it comes with all of that stuff that the EU doesn't like in it.
Mostly because a remain contingent made damn sure to make a mess of it.
They were so incompetent their Treaty was so awful both sides shot it down.
The problem is we aren't stupid enough to be fooled by their deception and even Remainers objected to that stupidity!
As a mainland european, I want to thank the UK for the Brexit initiative, we now have an influx of companies coming here and giving us jobs and enriching our economies. Many thanks and good luck in the future.
I don't believe you. Otherwise the EU would be thriving and yet it's flatlining. The UK is the only country (currently) in the EU with increasing growth.
@@squizza28 What part of my comment don't you believe? Haven't a multitude of UK based companies uprooted themselves in one way or another and moved here to the continent or to Ireland or was that a fever dream of mine?
The growth is in the EU higher than in the UK and the debt is lower than in the UK in average.
@@squizza28 not true in the slightest, Ireland has had a huge amount of companies setting up and expanding example Intel extra 8 billion invested at leixlip plant loads of pharma and biopharma companies setting up and expanding,also a lot of finance companies have set up here from the UK. Your expanse is what exactly. Just admit you are fucked proper fucked
@squizzboy Germany and France have a higher GDP growth rate than Britain? Pretty sure Germany and France are part of the EU?
An Irishman, a Scotsman, and an Englishman walk into a bar - the Englishman wanted to leave, so everybody had to leave.
When you file for divorce and slowly realize you're only getting the dog and the older car.
you're obviously not a dog person...
The British pov is obviously that it's more important than how the American and European pov sees it. But when you shoot yourself in the foot it will always be more important to you.
When your wifes cheating on you but you remain with her coz your scared of being alone.
i get to keep the dog that i love dearly ( sovereignty & taking back control ) . i get the car that i love dearly ( sovereignty & taking back control ) . Then you remember the dog is 11 years old costs a fortune at the vet every month , but at least the car is great however it costs the earth to run and won't pass the emissions test next time round . Now i have to find somewhere else to live now she gets the house that we just finished paying off . Have you seen the prices to rent these days ? O well leave means leave !
@David of Yorkshire hate to break it to you, none of the commonwealth countries are eager to enter trade negotiations. India are still wary after we blocked a FTA with the EU. Canada, Australia and NZ have stated that EU is their priority, with the latter two now focusing on Ireland as the gateway into the market. Many others we currently trade freely as part of the EU EBA arrangements, which we would probably not be able to replicate due to our smaller market and economy of scale
"It is fear that keeps the EU together". Not in my case.
Since brexit I finally see what Brussels/ the EU does. I never ever heard of the EMA, the European Atomic Agency and all other stuff like that. Thanks to brexit, the EU became more visible in what it does, and why it is here for us.
I'm 38 years old and as a dutch man never really felt "European", just dutch. But since brexit, I feel way more connected to Europe.
Brexit highlights our European past and why we need unity. My parents are the first generation in Europe that have never witnessed war in their backyard so far, and they are ~70. Reason for that was unity in Europe, lead by the Americans and Britains. When in 45 the war was over, the Brits that shed blood came back with a clear message: "This never again! We paved the road for a better Europe, it is up for the next generations to make it happen., a united Europe", and look what happens now. The country once respected for it's power, muscle, vision and policy now pulls back in isolation and nationalism.
Watch this part of this video: ua-cam.com/video/4Y7nECrjd40/v-deo.html, it makes me smile that mr. Roettgen articulates the EU is all about Unity, nothing else.
As a Briton around your age, who has lived in four EU countries and speaks all the languages of Western Europe, I have always considered myself primarily a European, and Brexit just fills me with feelings of betrayal and loss. It feels like my country is shrinking down in size to one island, possibly down to just England.
@@Correctrix Welsh and Gaelic included? Impressive!
@@jimsy5530 Not every language spoken by someone in Europe (I'd have to know Urdu...) or which developed in Europe (I'd have to know Gaulish...), but the main language of every country now. English for Ireland, English for the UK, Portuguese for Portugal, Spanish for Spain, French for France, French and Dutch for Belgium, Dutch for the Netherlands. I'm also kinda counting Central Europe too, so Italian for Italy, German for Germany, French and German mainly for Switzerland. I also know Catalan, Latin (I guess I could say they count for Andorra and the Vatican, but I'm disregarding microstates really) and the three Scandinavian languages. I have dabbled with Irish, Welsh, Occitan and Icelandic. I don't know any Slavic languages.
@@Correctrix Well, you said all the languages of Western Europe - your claim, not mine.
@@Correctrix Italy is a southern european country, not a central european.
Shows how much the UK thinks of the continent. They find someone all the way from America for the American perspective, but then find some random Briton to give the 'Continental European view.'
Yeah and its like these people represent 'the rest of the world'.
Why would people want to stay when the continent makes them feel so unwelcome?
@@naeliddle3976 y'all earned that coldness.
Its not fear holding the EU together now. After Brexit its just common sense. The EU have a real-world example of how disruptive and foolish it is to leave (unprepared at least)
The EU is falling apart. We may leaving unprepared, but when the EU finally implodes, it is going to be a huge mess and we won't be part of that.
@@HWoah Instead, you guys are having the huge mess way earlier, bravo.
Thats to say IF the EU ever falls apart. Doesn't really look like it so far though.
@Xander vM
The EU is falling apart right now. Brexit is the leaving of a major economy and around 9% of the budget. The EU has already lost a member...and a major member.
@@MrXandervm maybe you need to take a look at how many countries economies the EU are struggling or have gone bankrupt how can you say the EU is strong when it's a trading block with so many struggling/failing economies
@@jamiepoul738, I am so tiered of these tales of the failing EU. 🙄
Also, when we speak about debt the EU will on average be better off without the UK. While the public debt as percent of GDP was 81.6% for the whole of the European Union, it was 87.4% for the UK (in 2017). Furthermore, compared to the Eurozone, the UK is merely average: the Eurozone deficit is 86.8% compared to the aforementioned 87.4% for the UK (in 2017).
Here is the wikipedia page for those numbers: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union#Public_finance
But I am sure that the UK will greatly outperform the whole of Europe, once they are trading on WTO terms. 😘 Who wouldn't want to trade on WTO terms? It's a shame that EU countries are trapped in all those free trade agreements with countries around the world. The recent JEFTA with Japan is just outrageous!
Their assessment would be fine if they didn't exclude geography and resources. Most countries (Singapore etc.) function fine because they adjust their global role according to their geography and resources. Brexit is UK ignoring that.
The rest of the world is running out of popcorn.....hurry up now folks!
Have you tried out pork grinds? Many flavors!
An American and a Brit explaining how the EU countries and Russia feel about Brexit. A Brexit metaphor in a nutshell.
they are basically tellin brits that they are irrelevant.
The Brit needs to take a step back. Most Europeans think that the UK is mad and has no plan or clue.
Funny, an American and a Brit talking about the EU is ludicrous at best. Healthcare and Agro-Food, that is exactly why the Americans want to isolate the Brits.
No on the contrary it is the EU that is isolationist.
Indeed. Let the americans do to the NHS what private companies have done in the USA with healthcare.
@@vincentras2545 So free market in healthcare and insurance? The number of people who can't get a reasonable insurance premium for healthcare and the number of them who go bust privately is your glorious hope for the future? Good Luck with that.
We're quite keen to negotiate with the British. We have a massive milk surplus we'd love to have them buy from us. It's cheap, there's lots of it and it comes with all of that stuff that the EU doesn't like in it.
Paul C I was being sarcastic
The EU doesn´t rule Britain, everything is always negotiated and agreed with the member countries governments. The issue is, that Westminster calls everything bad "EU-law" and everything good they claim it´s their archievement, they are doing this from the beginning 1975 until now. It´s unfortunately just not true :-)
you are so uneducated on the eu its laughable
tom rawley
Look in the mirror.
@Richard L I think the issue is, the people are not really satisfied with their politicians, and UK politicians have redirected this mood on the EU and european immigrants. A quite sad situation.
Mostly, yes (treaties are signed by national parliaments, which determines which sovereignty to keep and which to delegate, and UK opted out of a lot of those yet at the same time initiated many of the "EU-laws" that leave voters claim to disagree with).
However this blaming EU for everything perceived as negative and dressing up everything perceived as positive as their own singular achievements is something which happens in most EU member states.
It is the flipside or drawback if you will of exactly not being a federal supranational state, mostly because the European Commission, the executive branch, is appointed by the member states' heads of state and that being perceived as undemocratic (if they were aware of it at all).
To make it more democratic, a federal structure seems one way to deal with that but most nations' populists do not desire this and the leave campaign played on precisely those fears - in a way, Brexiteers run their own "project fear".
EU parliament is directly elected though but its powers are limited, precisely because of this nationalism and fear of federalism.
The thing is, the EU transforms, not by revolution but by evolution and the fear of federalism and indeed Brexit itself are influencing that transformation just as much as common interests which might leverage an advantage if federalism were to be pursued.
Only time will tell how people will come together or drift apart and which future we end up with.
tom rawley , actually, it is completely factually correct, so I’m not sure what your comment is based on. The BBC can’t even bring themselves to inform people that abolition of mobile roaming charges is thanks to the E.U., or challenge politicians that state straight out lies about the EU interviews.
"We have to go to Asia. The future is there!"
Good grief. And what bargaining power are you going to have in Asia? A medium size country against tens of countries more populated and, as they progress, richer.
EU is not the problem to good commerce with Asia. It is the only solution. And the UK will find that harsh truth by itself in the future.
most countries have deals with eu or are aiming for deals with the EU and because of standards they can probably not do a deal with us, uk is talking of setting its own standards making it very difficult for uk to make major deals
I assure you , India remembers.And if they come with Empire 2.0 , we'll nuke them into the orbit.Cheers!!
This aptly named Breaks,,,t has shown the worst,it has shown reality,remove the secrecy, the E,R.G conspiracy,and you will find honesty
Isn't the rest of the world too busy laughing at us?
most really just don't care anymore.
You wish. Most Americans don't even know there was a Brexit.
@@shammydammy2610 the world it's not just america...
@@CEIVE4EVER I never said it was.
Honestly we don't even care anymore
How many languages you three know all together? Opinion of the world, ridiculous!
Yeah, the one supposedly representing the EU did nothing more than represent Britain's perspective- didn't even mention the Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland issue (!!!) Or Gibraltar!
@@LionUniverse14 EXACTLY! Such a British-POV. The chap seriously fails (like many other British) to understand Europe. The Yank did a better job!
English, American and RP. In England they are considered polyglots.
@@alexmood6407 Why do people in England not begin to learn a European language or even Mandarin Chinese, if they are not able to spell English correctly? I am shocked at the low level of English spelling amongst the English people.
@@LazierSophie Funny thing is it not, that the most successful countries in the world (who control their own laws) came from the English.
As a continental European, I think people in Europe were not really aware of the importance of the EU, and Brexit has changed that. The increased support for the EU is not based in fear but in understanding of its importance to the extent that we now know that the EU is worth fighting for. We continue to be critical about the organisation for its flaws, but a large majority now understands that we would be worse off without it. And that the EU may well be about to the most important economic organisation in the west.
.....while not being allowed to elect an EU president or party, similar to the Chinese system.
@@jasonkingshott2971 I don't see your point. Are you one of those morons that thinks the EU is a "dictatorship"?? Or even a "government" making laws which member states are forced to obey?? In both cases, you'd be wrong. As far as EU officials go, they are elected/appointed by the heads of member state govts, which are democratically elected by the people of each state. And that's nothing like the Chinese system.
@guardianangel6926 Absolutely right. Even to the point that right-of-center populist/nationalistic parties, who might be natural Leave proponents, have dropped the idea of withdrawing from the EU. Given the horrible state of Broken Brexit Britain, no one else is stupid enough to do the same. It seems to me, the biggest beneficiary of Brexit is the EU, who is now more appreciated than ever by its members. All whilst Britain has become a laughing stock around the world.
@@HieronymousCheese The next US presidential election is scheduled for Tuesday, November 5, 2024. Voters will elect a president and vice president for a term of four years.
The next Australian federal election will be held some time during or before 2025 to elect members of the 48th Parliament of Australia. All 150
The next United Kingdom general election is scheduled to be held no later than 28 January 2025.
When will the EU electorate get the opportunity to elect a president? perhaps they might put their tick in the 'wrong box', that is what I call a dictatorship'
@@jasonkingshott2971
Oh dear!! You completely don't understand the EU. You're still trying to make out it's a government (which it is NOT), and perhaps even a "higher authority" over the sovereign member states (which it is NOT). It is very much a democratic institution.
The official title President of the European Union (or President of Europe) does not exist, but there are a number of presidents of European Union institutions, including:
---The President of the European Parliament is elected from among MEPs for a 2.5-year, renewable term.
---The President of the European Council is elected by the heads of state/government of the 27 EU member states for a 2.5-year, once renewable term.
---The President of the European Commission is officially proposed by the European Council, taking into account the latest European Parliament elections and subsequently elected by the European Parliament for a 5-year, renewable term.
You have been sold a huge, steaming pile of bull*** by Bozo Johnson and Co. ALL of them were lying to you. They have all made significant profits from Brexit, whilst there is NO benefit whatsoever for the British people. Shortly after the Brexit result, Jacob Greasy Mogg moved several hundred million pounds INTO the EU. Recently, he obtained his Irish (EU) passport. What does that tell you??
Start THINKING, mate......EDUCATE yourself with actual facts and truth......and stop blindly clinging to hearsay and nonsense. Have the courage to change your outlook.
Im from Amsterdam. I just went to Berlin for a citytrip by train. Didnt need to show my passport anywhere, no people with guns to be seen. Over there I can pay in my own currency. In the summer ill go to the Canary Island. Same story, pay in my own currency, no immigration queue's etc etc... Its such a huge benefit that we have such a large area where we can freely move. If I get a job in France, i could rent an appartment there tomorrow. If I want to marry a girl from Italy , no questions asked.... It is just such a huge advantage for ordinary citizens to have so much freedom, I cant even imagine giving this up. And the UK is doing this willingly.... its just incredible....
In one sentence: it made me realize that britain never shared the ideals and was merely looking at the EU in terms of transactional economic benefit.
disappointing, but in that case better leave and come back with a more enthusiast generation.
what makes you think we're coming back?
@@squizza28 demographics
You're right, it was transactional on the part of the Brits. You see, when the Brits fought against the Nazis in WWII they came away leery of the idea of being subject to some European empire. Jeez, I wonder why they thought that. When they joined the EU they thought it was essentially just a common market. Instead they had their sovereignty stripped from them. They want it back.
And when they do leave, I can assure you they'll never go back.
@@nono7105 of course you know that no major decision on EU level is possible without UK consent, right?
The point is: the more common a market, the more coordination is necessary. you can call it "loss of sovereignity", that's fine, but if you don't coordinate there is bo/less trade.
The times when Britain told everybody how to "coordinate" are long over, sorry to inform.
And, disagree, sooner or later UK will be back (maybe piecemeal, N. Ireland and Scotland first...)
@@thowa1 What I know is that for some reason the EU has control over the UK's borders instead of the UK. What I know is that for some reason the EU has control over UK fisheries instead of the UK. What I know is that for some reason EU law supersedes UK law in the UK.
If Scotland and northern Ireland want to secede from the UK I think that's up to them. If they then want to throw away their new found sovereignty to the EU then that's also up to them. But Britain won't be back after they finally get the EU's claws out.
Oh, and nope, a common market doesn't need more coordination. You don't need a dictator from up on high to tell people how to trade. In fact, you don't need the "common" market. Just a free market. Then everyone can trade with each other like other countries do. Each country can assert their own rules on exports and imports, enforce them according to their law and the trade deal they've negotiated.
You don't need someone above telling you what to do. You don't need to "coordinate". Just act in your own best interest.
The italian media is starting to talk about it only now
The majority of Italians think that the UK has already left the EU on 24 June 2016.
To lots of us the surprise was great in knowing that you are still dealing with how to leave. Even in Italian Italian culture, leaving means leaving.
EU has problems, and need to improve things, agree on that. But if Europeans want to be still relevant and important worlwide nowadays, the EU is a must. Denying this is throwing Europe to the toilet instead of continue to be a major world power.
You are so right .. the only way to pursue our way of living, ensuring the freedom of speech, dealing with global problems (warming, plastic) and to defend ourselves - requires massive collaboration. aka. the EU is a must.
In todays world when there are big super powers like USA, China and also Russia, there is no place for small countries, because they simply don't matter alone. European Union is an emerging superpower and only united it can be an equal competitor to other main super powers mentioned before. @@norbertasmikalijauskas4642
Its true to say that it would be near impossible for any individual country in Europe to outpace the US or China. But the EU is not the way to deal with that. A bunch of smaller countries with different languages, cultures, and traditions cant just declare themselves a nation with any hope of success. You're adding up the GDPs of several countries, pretending it's one country, and declaring victory. It doesnt work that way.
the eu is a corrupt gangster club, and we want out
@@dm0065 First, tell me other way to survive. If you have it, Im happy to hear it. Even more, thanks to all that small countries working together are the biggest economy on the world, with enough power to deal with the US at the same level. Second, if you see the direrences on wealth between countries in west Europe, 25 years ago and know, you will see that its possible and this is the way. The poorer ones (east Europe) are still newbies into the EU, will see the benefits in the years ahead.
"How does Brexit look to the world?"
Let's ask one American and one half German.
Really? That's the 'international view'? Get your head out of your anglosphere.
It's Channel 4 the worst news station in Britain.
No need to forget the history of Europe. The union is much less about the economy than you think. it is about keeping the peace.
The USA keeps the peace
John Knoer A little bit of knowledge is dangerous, that’s you.
Andrius Vabalas wrong; its all about power and control , how naive are you.
John Knoer
Blah blah blah ...
The common market was a good idea.
The EU a terrible one .
Thank goodness the intelligent people voted to leave .
As for the remainers; they are suffering from Stockholm syndrome, when they stumble out of the darkness and realise there is a big world out there they will be thanking us
John Knoer
Are you smoking weed,
Because you are not making sense, have you heard of the commonwealth ? Have you heard of the Anglo Alliance ?
The USA , Canada,Australia,New Zealand, Great Britain are like peas in a pod .
The City Of London was the capital of Europe now it’s capital of the world , the financial centre has now overtaken New York ,
You come across as jeolous
I don’t know what country you are from but if you are British you are a quisling
I can't believe someone would describe the future of UK under Brexit as "exciting" right now, yes it is mostly unknown, but what part is "exciting"? There is no PLAN for the future since the Government and MPs can't even decide which issue they will all disagree on tomorrow. You can only get excited if you can envision something better than now, nobody gets excited about a future full of uncertainties. Yes it's possible UK can do well on its own, but where is the plan for any of that?
metalfly Encountering a pride of hungry lions in South Africa is also exciting. I wouldn’t recommend it, though...
But UK is more like hungry sloth than lion, loll. @@GrahamCStrouse
It's like the saying 'we live in interesting times' whenever some dictator does something awful and unexpected.
I think he was just trying to be slightly more positive than the American. The Brit seemed seriously taken aback by his frank opinions.
Then again, I might just be projecting because I agree calling it “interesting” is mind boggling. Especially in the face of what the other guest was saying.
It's exciting in the sense that all British people can see massive change on the horizon, and for the average British person that is a good thing. The impenetrable housing market, stagnated wages, urban decay, crumbling services and infrastructure - these are not things that British people are happy about, however they voted back in 2016. The American guy here said that the EU countries are advanced in their grief over Brexit, the same can be said about the British themselves. People by and large have accepted that it is happening, and whatever their initial stance are now taking the attitude that 'we may as well make the best of it'. So of course it's exciting, because Britain has the opportunity to clean house. Everyone saying, Britain is ruined is meaningless to British people since they view the pre-referendum status quo as ruinous anyway.
When you go to German or Spanish bookshop you can see loads of translations. In UK any translations you will find are classics.
When you watch the television in Spain or Germany I noticed you see productions from all over Europe. In UK all foreign productions you get is American Canadian and Australian.
Living in England you will know far more about what is happening in California or Sydney than what is happening in France.
Most Brits believe they have won the war. Never mind that 9 out of 10 German soldiers that were killed in action died on the Russian front.
That’s why Brexit was inevitable.
The british did win the war,but only an uneducated moron would think it was on their own....britains one of the largest consumers of literature in the world,not just british authors,and you do get subtiitled films and dramas on tv,but most are going to be from english speaking countries for obvious reasons.......regarding language,on the continant,in france,40% of all music on the radio has to be in the french language,by law....you dont get a law like that in the uk regarding english
@@davehoward22 WOW ! Nobody in the world thinks anymore that UK won the war, even partially. WE all know that Germany would have crushed England very easily one against one. Live in your dreams fellow. Even the single cup you won was stolen ! People laughs about England since many decades. The only thing being that you dont seem to see it.
@@mrktyb read the first paragraph....
@@davehoward22 Last times I've been really fed up with the brits(in reality is just one part of the population I dislike), but you are right in all that you said. Nothing like going to a British bookshop, I really don't see the gap in translations and no one loves literature (national or foreigner) as the Brits. France, like Spain, is much more nationalistic concerning culture. Just turn on the TV and radio and you will only listen to French.
@@mrktyb You are a fool. Without Britain Germany would have won. All of Europe and Russia would be speaking German now, and the middle east and northern Africa would be vassal states. That little island held out far longer than was thought possible and because of their resolve the Germans had to fight a two front war.
Without Britain in the fight Germany would have steamrolled over Russia in the opening campaign, and America certainly wouldn't have supplied her. Russia would never have gotten the opportunity to industrialise and mobilise their forces.
Well time to do my groceries: Irish whisky, French wine and cheese, sushi, maple sirup, caviar and Dutch pancakes. Very safe to buy, to eat and to drink.
Buy British just as safe 👍
You forgot British beans and fries from the microwave.
@@marcysss93 I just realised how out of touch with the world you are lol you think Britain makes beans and microwave chips ? 😂only Ireland make whisky France is the only supplier of wine cheese and sushi? And you cant make your own pancakes only the Dutch make pancakes 😂😂😂
Good for you. Hope you don't get sick at the end of it all. It doesn't sound like a balanced meal to me. Just for your EU-obsessed head though, we'll be maintaining our food standards and will buy from ANYWHERE that meets our high standards. So if Moroccan oranges are as good as Spanish, and they are, then we'll import the Moroccan ones as we won't be collecting the 40% EU tariff anymore. Of course, if Spain wants to plead with the EU to abolish its tariff on non-EU oranges so it can complete for the British market then they can but try. I think you see the point.
You can also buy whisky from china.@@jamiepoul738
Briton constantly overestimates its political and economic strength. It's so sad to see this proud nation go down.
Misstakes I see economic/trade is to compare to each country in EU instead of the combined EU27. Misstakes politically is to think about UK as colonial empire which it stopped being a long time ago.
@Michael Halligan I would not call that a colonial empire (which in 1920 used to be 24% of the world population). Those are rather the leftovers after an old now long gone empire (but not in peoples minds, especially old people)
Stefan Wehinger
We will boom outside the EU the only thing that’s going to fail is the protectionist undemocratic EU
@@johnnyreggae969 sure, dream on!
Stefan Wehinger
I’m not dreaming the EU needs the UK ;we have an 80 billion pounds sterling deficit with the EU ;
We have trade surpluses with USA and most other countries
The city of London financial district has now surpassed New York for foreign transactions money is pouring into the UK from every direction ,every city in the uk is having a building boom,
My prediction is the Uk will overtake Japan to be the third biggest economy In the world
Britain is booming now when the shackles of the EU are removed we will have our biggest boom ever
The only person dreaming here is you the EU is finished the protectionist system does not work.
Why are only English native speakers asked to speak about how the rest of the world sees Brexit?
I mean, even NOBODY from continental Europe. And do not tell me that there is a language barrier because it is plenty of Europeans fluent in English.
The bald journalist was exceptionally bad.
And this on channel 4, one of the best British media.
“Navel gazing” and “self absorption” do not suffice to describe this dynamic properly.
Tocqueville clearly there is no need to hear from any continentals.
@@chrisdechristophe British arrogance at its best! Sad, so sad!
Die Briten haben die Europäer leider nicht gern. Viele Briten misstrauen den Europäern. Reine Wahrheit.
@@LazierSophie We already know what you think. Germany =E.U. is great, Switzerland=No thanks, Austria somewhere between to two. Italy oh dear.
Holland it's ok.
We in the UK think BBC and channel 4 are biased against the democratic decision to leave the EU.
As someone outside the UK and continental Europe, to me it just looks like a bad idea. Its going to damage both sides economically and drive them further apart. The wider world is an unpredictable place. Its also not the place it was when a country like England or Spain had a huge amount of influence and reach beyond the size of the homeland. Todays economies are about people. The USA rose to prominence in modern times because of the "U". Places like China exploded economically because of the population.
I love a lot of places in Europe and I'm not trying to insult them, but as individual nations they have very limited impact in the modern world. It just doesn't work like it used to anymore. A united Europe is the only way for those countries to protect themselves economically , militarily ect from whatever craziness the world comes out with next.
Most European countries accept that they have more influence together than sepperate. But for most countries it goes further than that (not UK). We actually believe we are better of by working together, and even complement each other. Italian design, French food and German industrie help each other, not hinder.
Even more so, we believe that we are as rich as the poorest among us (again not the UK). This sounds idealistic, but it does mean pretty much every country has policies that transfer money from rich regions to poorer regions via investments. The EU does this on a EU scale, like with its infrastructure fund. This in turn has meant that all countries have become richer while being in the EU, including the rich ones which now have loyal customers in what used to be poor countries (take German cars for example).
What puzzles most Western EU countries, is not the UK, but eastern eu countries questioning the hand that feeds them. It will be an interesting topic on the next budget meeting...
That was common sense across just after WW2. But give the far-right decades of unhindered media propaganda and you have half a country thinking they are run by unelected EU officials when they are represented in the European Parliament by none other than Nigel himself. And for him to be there, some of them have to have voted for him to be there. Which is astonishing in its idiocy. The Brits have elected a guy to the European legislature who has them convinced that the European legislature is some sort of unelected, dictatorial, UK-hating, European elite. When all their representatives in the EU are EU-hating UK elites... go figure.
Depends what ' united' means. A pragmatic economic union with neighbours, or an undemocratic centralised superstate resembling China. There's a difference yes?
A united Europe isn't the way to protect themselves economically, militarily etc. The Eurozone is heading for recession. That's what the Nazis wanted. The EU is slowly collapsing and it is for the best because the way The EU is heading, it will cause war. We already see the anti Russian and Chinese rhetoric.
@@HWoah It is. Working together gives you better results then when you work alone and add up all the work. Working together is GOOD. The only thing the Russians want is the EU to collapse. They are jealous of the EU POWER.
The small but significant difference between Brittan and mainland Europe, is that in the U.K put the E.U symbol is not placed under E.U funded projects. Therefore it seems the E.U only cost money ,( combined with the tabloids playing into that idea) So the Britts in general never notice when the E.U invests into the u.k.
Spiritual Anarchist This is only one example of how EU can improve its visibility of the value it brings...there are many others that we need to put accent on. Otherwise things like Brexit may happen elsewhere...
The UK sends £20b to the EU each year, the EU then sends back £10b in projects they choose, it would be propaganda and deceptive to suggest they are paying for any project in the UK, the money comes from Britain minus £10b of British tax payers money the EU donates elsewhere in the EU.
Plus the customs tariffs approximately another £12b the UK charges foreign importers then sends the money to the EU.
£22bn net loss for UK tax payers each year for the privilallge of what I'm not sure
Nicholas Morgan, can you estimate also the value of business that companies generate in UK while UK is/was part of the EU and yearly net tax income loss that will be gone when companies (e.g. banks) move part of their operations from UK to Netherlands, Germany, France etc...? Try to see the bigger picture. Investments gone? Nissan, Airbus... just to name the few most mediatized ones.
@@dudeinuk9048 When you pay 10 000 £ for a car, you can't say you donated away your hard earned money, but you bought a car. With the payment to EU, you gained home market access to 27 European countries with zero tax and bureaucracy and got tens of different crucial operations in society you did not need to do alone, i.ex Euratom, Open Skies. It will cost you more to build those functions alone and get no more access to anywhere.
they did, and had to , do this if funded by the EU. It is our money though, recycled. UK has put net >£200billion into the EU and they wouldn't even consider giving David Cameron the vaguest promise of reform. So leave it is.
UK is not cool anymore.
The UK has never been cool. We've always been suspicious of cool as a country 😂
We're still cool!
During her rebellious youth, our PM ran through a farmers field of wheat... Or something.
I'll bet The Who, Oasis or Motörhead were never that wild!
v1das007 why do you live in the uk then
@@gregparker9272 I don't.
Was it ever?
The truth is the UK isn't enjoying taking the back seat in the EU, being former colonial Masters with their own common wealth union and all. Times have past its new world. The eu will be greater after Brexit. I think Britain over played their hand
Personally as an european and totally pro-europe i'm looking at Brexit because I find it a nice reality show, best one right now. There is drama, chaos, real consequences and it's really entertaining with some pop-corns
No real European is pro EU.
Yeah, keep living in your fantasy world where only breexiters are true europeans. @@HWoah
@@LeMerch you talk of China good luck if you think the EU can stand up to China they will destroy the EU and any country around it
@@jamiepoul738 Yeah, it's certainly gonna work better if every single country in the EU deals with China alone. But yeah, China is a big threat. They basically own the harbor of Thessaloniki in Greece and Greece has blocked the EU Human Rights report on China for the first time since it's been started.
@@HWoah There is nothing at date and there has never been in history anything that could be compared to the EU. This is why i love it so much, it is a unique thing in history, a gift of mankind.
You are free not to think it that way i won't blame you but i find amazing that countries that have killed each other for thousands of years suddenly stop and start working together for improvement.
Yeah it's not perfect but it is a beacon of hope and freedome in a shitty shitty world, based on collaboration and not blackmailing or threathening.
I'm firmly convinced that if the whole world had an EU model, it would be a much better place for every living being.
It's regrettable that you have so much disdain for the rest of Europe, but for that reason it's also not hard to accept that you're leaving :) The guy on the right is wrong about the whole fear thing, that was surely a big part of it two years ago, but not anymore.
You miss the point. It wasn't about disdain for Europe, it was disdain for the EU. The two are not analogous.
@@nono7105 but they aren't. If they were separate then there would not have been blame laid at the feet of migrants for lowering wages when it was the Government and the private sector doing this.
What a joke of a title: what does the "world" think of Brexit Britain. Should have been: what does one american and one brit think of Brexit Britain.
Most people I know here in the US view Brexit as Britain's 4th of July.
No, it is NOT fear. The thing is that Brexit had lead to a lot of people taking a closer look at the EU and developed a deeper understanding of all the good the EU does in the process. And now that the EU is under siege, people who have originally been fairly disinterested in the EU, have become protective of it.
swanpride....Brexit has highlighted the corrupt, anti- democratic leadership and dictatorship of an organization that was supposed to be a trading 'club', which has been highjacked by the NWO, with plans to have it's own army and total control of all the member countries cash and government, very much like the Nazi Plan For Europe. The so called 'good' it does is just a smoke screen to hide their true intentions. Good luck with that!
The only thing Brexit has highlighted is how corrupt the political system in the UK is, and that democracy on the island is as good as gone at this point.
It had the added bonus, though, that a lot of people actually started to pay attention to the EU which lead to a grown appreciation for it.
@malcolm, dude NWO? Too obvious. Not a good troll, rest is okay.
@@OneEyeShadow ....So you support NWO? Yet another brainwashed dummy.
If brexit were a person, it’d be Lindsay Lohan.
I see no need to insult Lindsay Lohan so viciously.
@Jake D Yes, like Adolf Loos, the architect, or Adolf Jensen, the composer.
@Jake D Adolph who feeds you for 45 years.
🙄🙄 I heard manytimes after Brexit UK will attract the best and brightest people to migrant and do business, based on what they say that ?? Why anyone wants to move to such a unsuitable environment to invest or work !?
Good weather ? Strong economy? The only reason some people wanted to work in UK was stronge Sterling curency. Brexiteers want to devalue sterling to make economy compatible, I guess pounds goes under Euros or one to one . So again why anyone want to be in UK?!
I wonder where the notion is coming from that UK might play a bigger role in NATO after Brexit. At the moment it seems to me that for the next 5 years the British Armed forces might be pretty busy fighting an insurgency in Northern Ireland and protecting food trucks from looters.
A shame that peace has to be ruined because of the EU's unwillingness to negotiate.
Yeah, too bad, the EU cares about the EU and does not do UK's job for them.
@@elhefe83 the EU couldn't give a damn about you have a look at what happened with the Italian budget countrys are told they not aloud spend their own money ..when you talk about armed forces you may need a few extra across EU with all the riots meanwhile in the UK we look after our own money £ not € and no riots so personally I think you got your own problems to worry about before you even think of looking at the uk
The UK will not be at the boarder.If a wall is built it will be built by Ireland or the EU and if they build a wall they will have to police their wall. And if there is violence at that wall it will be directed at them.
@@jamiepoul738 "countrys are told they not aloud spend their own money"
No, they are warned to abide by the rules THEY AGREED TO when they joined the EU.
It's not fear that keeps the EU together, it's common sense. It collapsing would be bad for everyone, therefore they don't want it to.
Ofcourse I don't want it to happen, but that's not because of fear. It's because of unity.
it will collapse. Anti democratic institutions ruling over people without accountability always do. Look at the Mugabe regime.
@@squizza28 Well your queen is still there so... And you seriously compare the EU to Mugabe? How many people has the EU killed/prisoned?
@@squizza28 Ha. The EU is as democratic as the UK itself is. The people don't directly vote for every member of the civil service or Lord in the house of lords; does that make the governmental system in the UK undemocratic? You seem to think that because you'd need to get people from all over Europe to want something for it to happen, that that's undemocratic. Collaboration and compromise and pooled sovereignty is the beating heart of democracy. In the UK people from all different parts of the country get to decide rules that apply to people hundreds of miles away, but it's democratic. It would be undemocratic if the UK could dictate terms to rest of the bloc because the rest of the bloc is much bigger than it.
I just wish Britain would finally leave.
So far Britain looks exactly like that one sad drunk friend who always wants to leave the "borring" party early, but ends up staying to the end, bumming everyone who want to enjoy the party by constantly talking about how this party is lame and how they should go with him to a better one.
What has happened to this country .
I respectfully disagree with one comment here: As a citizen of a small country with no big alliances with big country blocks, I can tell you that having such a small negotiating power is devastating. We have one of the biggest banana crops, for example, but have to bow our heads every time some big power has a special interest with another banana-producing country. Negotiation stops being about strategic alliances and becomes basic survival.
Your comment made me want to eat one of your bananas to help you out.
I shouldn't comment while hungry.
We have 12% negotiating power against the EU enemy. We tried to reform it and make it democratic, but seems the continentals are happy with this model where unelected EU fanatic commissioners make the laws passed down to us from on high. They can't reform because they won't let go of their power. Time to leave before it collapses. Not just Italian banks insolvency that'll make that happen.
@@squizza28 Guess what? When you are no longer part of a big strong economic block, you change from (arguably) a 12% negotiating power to a 1% or so negotiating power. You will find out how countries like mine feel when negotiating a commerce treaty. Just as an example, we just wanted to sell bananas in the EU at the same price as everybody else, but the EU wanted to give preference to African previous colonies. We were lucky to get a quota of a tenth of what we could have sold in Europe.
You are free when you can impose your will on others. You are not free when you are free to offer trade treaties that nobody wants to enter with you.
@@andresvillarreal9271precisely what is happening here already
Take our deal with Japan
Our quota is only the leftovers from the EU quota
What product you ask?
Cheese..... and all the politicians here kept harping on about this as if it's going to do wonders for our economy
Yep we left the EU so we could sell leftover quotas of cheese to the lactose intolerant Japanese........
The problem with Brexit is that the mentality of most Brits are still anchored to the colonial empire. Basically, the general public and many politicians don’t realise what bargaining chips the country really has.
UK was never really part of EU. They always just wanted benefic. Not a big loss.
Mathias Delair It’s funny that the EU want our 39 billion to leave so badly!
Wosz lick lenns
The American journalist at least gave us an insight in to what the world thinks not sure the Momentum guy added much
AvonTeddington yes I agree, I couldn't quite make out what he was trying to get at half the time.
"To let these companies do for British healthcare what they've done for US healthcare"
I.... that's not a very good idea. You all just introduced "Uber Health" as an alternative to ambulances...
From the outside, it’s with stunned shock. We are watching a country wilfully do self harm.
Except it isn't self harm. EU membership isn't any good.
How about France ripping itself apart, Macron v Yellow vests. No one rioting in the streets of the UK. Germany, far right taking control. Greece, a vassal state to the EU, Spain reliant on handouts, war with Catalonia. watch out for Vox. We do not have a far right to speak of in the UK. In 5 years time the EU will be run by far right parties, Ireland with have to raise its corporation tax and sink to the bottom again. It’s bad news all round. Mass migration will destroy social cohesion even further. Are you deaf and blind. I wish this wasn’t the case or is none of the above happening or going to happen.
@@HWoah it's self harm.
It's economic self-harm, especially in the short-medium term. Most serious people agree on this - even the government's own forecasts show that ANY Brexit model will lead to lower economic growth than would otherwise be the case. The IMF and other organisations all agree on this. Those who voted for Brexit - the poorest and the most vulnerable - will be the first to suffer the consequences.
@@HermanWillems
You're not indoctrinated much are you?
Haha fear keeping EU together? funny... It's more like unity in the bad times, stronger together. I live in the EU and I'm not afraid of anything related to brexit or leaving the EU, because UK will be the first and only country to do such a stupid step which will haunt them for decades if not generations.
Stop talking rubbish TROLL!!!!
What rubbish exactly? I'm not troll, I simply express my opinion and, as I can see, many people agree with me.@@Kanaka38
Hans is totally driven by his British patriotism, no professional rationality at all. Like him is was pro-remain during the debate, but I'm not going to join his "it'll all work out in the end" bandwagon. 🙄
How the world!??!? 2 Brits and a yank. C4 what next?
Britain and the USA, isn't that the world? Are you telling me there are 190+ more countries? Preposterous.
Yank? I thought that reference went out with World War II or something.
Brad Smith+ Maybe we shouldn't put too much stock in that, if they're calling Americans Unitedstatesians. That's a ridiculous term some people have tried to make stick, with absolutely no success.
One would think that we on the continent would have learned something about uninformed voting thanks to Brexit. Well, at least here in Bavaria we don't seem to have learned anything:
We just had the most successful petition for a referendum in Bavarian history with the headline "Save the bees".
I have many acquaintances who have signed without having read the text of the law. And I have acquaintances who didn't sign just because _the design_ of the posters didn't address them.
The only difference to Brexit is that the result will be positive for everyone living in Bavaria.
American healthcare? Wasn’t that the healthcare which is way to expensive compared to what it delivers both in output, quality and availability to all? That healthcare system you guys mean?
Yep...and US insurance and pharma industries woul LOVE to get a foot into a 60million people door, prize it open and take everything of value and leaving behind what is to be found in the US at the moment 😏
They’re not talking about the system (insurance), they’re talking about the actual innovation and productization itself, which is very good in the US. Problem is that only a small fraction of the nation can afford that excellent care.
KryzMasta Which means 98% of UK citizens will be left to die because they can‘t afford healthcare anymore. Great intension of this Brexit.
@@KryzMasta they might or might not be only talking about the innovative part.
Trump already stated on behalf of big pharma and the insurance companies in the US, he would like the UK to open the NHS to their US private sector, post Brexit.
Good luck with that UK 😏
@@samfetter8191 In the blueprints released in Setember last year it was shown that they will do that... in fact some people campaign for no deal wants that especially some people from European Research Group.
even more far away, here in Chile the general sentiment is that Brexit is an insane idea, almost a nation-wide suicide. It is kind of funny though, for us, a young middle-income country, to watch a rich country fall apart in such a spectacular manner. We used to admire them so much, for being a stable democracy, for their culture, etc., but now it seems that that glittery facade fade away and all of us can see the dark side that lay behind. Obviously the UK has serious issues to resolve, but almost nobody here thinks Brexit was the right way to tackle them.
I think it's impossible that they'll keep the same status they used to have even a few years ago, even if they somehow stay inside the EU....their reputation is irreversibly damaged. Nobody will take them as seriously as before.
We never asked for and don't need your approval, your viewpoint is not relevant. What is 'status'? An image, an opinion, a facade? We are what we are and should concentrate on reality not image. Self determination is a brave course to take with the possibility of failure, which is why our useless politicians are doing everything to avoid Brexit.
@@tramtrackharry Ok dude. I know my opinion is completely irrelevant, but are any opinions given in social media relevant? Nope, we're only participating in a discussion. Your opinion is also irrelevant to me, but that's not the point. The theme of the video is how other countries look at the Brexit process and as many others here, I wanted to comment from the perspective of a country which is very far away but can still feel the consequences. Chile is a very open economy, so any disruption Brexit can cause (no-deal in particular) will 100% hit us. And how you think other people can truly understand how you *really* are if we don't live there? Diplomacy and PR in general are built on status, perspectives, in facades really, because from the outside you can't really know the truth. So when I say that this process has revealed things about the UK that were unknown for us, it's true.
I'm not saying I represent my whole country, but at least the people I've spoken to about this in the last years feel about the same as me. If that perspective offends you, well, you do you.
@@franug I'm pretty confident that your economy will be hit 0% by Brexit. You're in Chile. In the UK we're often accused of 'living in the past', or dreaming of Empire. But in reality we just want to run our own country. What we see now about the EU, others will find out in due course; the EU is not a benevolent entity.
Whats more, I really can't understand why people have been brainwashed into not seeing Brexit in positive terms. It is what many want and the establishment is furiously against. I hope others in the world can wield this power in their countries, but I just see them manipulated and disenfranchised by more powerful interests. It's like a sick joke, but not my problem.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The UK is a great country to live in and will become even better. You are watching to much Channel 4 news and reading the anti UK Guardian.
@@commonsense5401 I've been to the UK a dozen times as I have family living there. Obviously there is bias in what gets informed here, but I also hear what those people living there tell us. Sadly for us, lots of UK media are pay-to-read, it's not that simple as "stop reading The Guardian". Of course the country is great to live in (...that's why those family members are there) but who knows what'll happen in the future. But whatever, think what you want to think
The Beatles and the fact that you speak an easy to learn language made the UK big. The rest is selffulfilling hope.
ha ha ha what a joke
While I feel sad for the average uk citizen, i do feel a bit relieved that one of the biggest nay-sayers, the one most likely to block any reform is leaving.
As an American concerned with the fate of our oldest ally, Brexit is concerning to me. The border of Northern Ireland is not the only issue of concern. If Brexit does indeed happen, then not only will the Irish finally unite Northern Ireland and Ireland, but Scotland will finally vote for independence. The UK will cease to be the UK in anything but name as The United Kingdom of England and Wales is not the same thing.
If I were a UK citizen I would hope that Parliament would allow a vote on the final deal, or a second referendum to confirm the decision to leave, now that it is known that the consequences at least in the near term of the next few decades are projected to reduce British gdp by almost ten percent from what it normally would be if they remained as part of the Eu. That is worse than a recession that is an economic depression. Of course that was with Northern Ireland and Scotland still within the UK, but if those provinces were to become independent then the UK's gdp would probably be even worse off.
Maybe in a century a future UK might be better off than today out of the EU, but do generations have to suffer the economic consequences just to get there.
Oh, and Putin's Russia just like in 2016 in the US put it's thumb on the scale in social media manipulation and other forms of influence to convince the people of the UK that Brexit was a good thing, because an unstable UK is in Russia's best interests. Just as much as an instant US is in their interests. While Putin did not strike the match, you can blame David Cameron, Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees Moggs, and Boris Johnson for that, Putin and his trained hackers surely stoked the fire.
UK is not really important, it’s like France, Italy. They only reason they had so much power in the EU was they vetoed things to get benefits from the beginning, but that’s over. Where u r going to take that leverage from? U only become a colony for the US if u take their deal.
There is no Schadenfreude. We take no pleasure in your difficulties w/ Brexit. We're in no position to critique Britain given the mess our own govt is right now. He's right when he says not many Americans pay attn to Brexit. We wish you the best and hope this works out well for you.
Thank you for your respectable view. Many Europeans (at least in the comments) seem to be taking too much joy in this and seem to be forgetting how this will affect real people. Brexit is a constant reminder of how easily I could lose everything. It's terrifying and seeing other people in this country be so obnoxiously stupid about it is so frustrating, especially when people on the outside seem to think these people represent the whole damn country.
EU: *is stable*
UK: The EU is on the verge of collapse... let’s bail lol
EU: Alright buddy, don’t let the door hit you on the way out...
Also UK: *on the verge of collapse*
The UK is more on the verge of break up, not collapse.
We see it as a HUGE mess 😂 and it's funny to follow waiting for next game of thrones season 😊
@Ouonouan Désiré - yes I agree wholeheartedly. The EU is a huge mess.
haha, good stuff :-)
Tu as bien raison.
I don't speak French, Lazier, but I believe you just called this fine gentleman a *raisin,* and that is extremely racist.
@@RobespierreChelsea Tell me that was meant to be a joke? He said "You are quite right", I am assuming to the original poster.
When mommy leaves the family to follow some bad boy and that family has to stick together it's not fear that binds them, it's responsibility and love. Again, the British really think they are the only ones in the world who are not afraid to stand alone. What they miss is that they _should_ be scared to be on their own. But they'll learn soon enough.
I believe Europe will be better off once severed fron England the Watters will still and Europe will move forward.
Carlos Enriquez - Perhaps Europe and Britain will both be better off.
UK never considered EU for what it was an attempt on avoiding future war was his primary goal and an economical the second... UK always saw it as financial...that's why De Gaule didn't want them to get in...
De Gaule hinder the UK joining the EEC as it was not for that reason but to limit the USA influence on Europe.
@@stephenconnolly3018 even if De Gaule had other motivs, the UK was never fully comited, the fact that never accepted the euro, proved that they joined with one foot and left the other behind...
I remember how after the Skripal poisoning May followed up on her firm stance towards Russia by stating that European nations should band together to form a unified block against Russian attacks.
The EU is not holding together by fear. The comparison with a club makes it clear: If you are part of a tennis and you pay your fees and play tennis. You normally would not think of not paying but still playing tennis. But if one member would do this and succeed others would follow. At the end nobody would be paying and the club would run bankrupt.
All over the world people organize clubs and the reason for them to work are the rules and not fear.
...but we don't have to be in this club do we? What's your problem with you lot? If we decide that a club, that charges us £20,000,000,000 a year and tells us what we can and can't do, takes our fishing waters off us and says we can't be in any other tennis club while being in this one, is not the one for us then why shouldn't we leave? It will make the EU poorer for sure, but it's our money and our choice.
@@squizza28 : The club treated all members according to its rules, but one member thought it was something better. And really a generous rebate was given. But this member continued to insult other members and asked for a second rebate. This was not granted. And this member got mad, insulting everybody even more and wanted to leave.
We said, OK pay your dues solve your problem with Ireland and go.
@@squizza28: Even more, the rules were made by all members sitting together and voting. The vote had to be unanimous so no member could be forced to do something it did not want. However, this special member voted for some rules to discipline others, but got upset when the same rules applied to him.
I'll sum my opinion of the EU up in two swift sentences. It's not perfect but can and should be reformed.
And united we stand, for divided, we fall.
I wish more people had your attitude
@@mrbearbear83 They likely will, in due time. Building a new type of state without spilling blood with steel & iron
Until then, I think the most important aspect is fixing the collective European economy, repair the Euro, increase loans, stop the brain drain of weaker states and to overall ensure that the whole continent becomes economically successful and stable aso. because half of the issues related to the EU originate with the economy.
And just because it’s currently on my mind, a new, bigger goal for us to begin to conceive would be to try and create a unique European economic system that is not neo capitalistic but that rather presents the world with *an entirely new large economic theory that manages to honor the unique European origins and obviously manages to create wealth at the same time without tying the ideas back to ridiculous economic concepts* and ending up back where we were in 2007, looking down at another predicable crisis that could have been prevented under different economic guidelines.
Many great economic concepts like the ones by Adam Smith have constantly been reduced to fit a certain agenda and I am a firm believer that we can and must rewrite our economic theories in order to stand the test of time and that one of the greatest responsibilities & challenges of our governments are to fully ensure that the economic foundations of any given part of the, are entirely good or at the very least, as good as they can possibly be and that we are currently failing to achieve or even failing to simply TRY to achieve this goal.
I only watched this cause I thought it was Pep Guadiola
Dan Hazelden yes I see what you mean lol
Thought the American guy spoke well and made his views more clearly.
"Laurel to America's Hardy" is a great line tbf
Laurel was the clever one who wrote everything.
Laurel was English being born in Cumbria.
Bye bye fish and chips.
Hello Big Mac :P
Can I have some Brie, please?
we already have them. For those that want them. And that's the key.
2021, what the world thinks of Brexit Britain: "They went absolutely bonkers!"
it is not fear, it is common sense and simple maths...together we are stronger and it can work cause the EU is composed by almost identical in culture countries. Countries that have have as basis the greek and roman culture of arts, democracy and science evolved in the following millenia by the western europe (Renaissance and Enlightenment) and recently enriched by eastern europe.
There is a lot of people in the world (and unfortunately in Europe) who want to split up in Europe to make it weaker. The most important thing for us Europeans is to stay together despite the voices that want to divide us.
We aren't stronger together. It is incorrect. The EU has been great for Germany because they have taken over Europe this time without firing a shot.
@@HWoah Based on what?
Come on dude, show me the reasons why you think that, and i will counter it. You can't just say nonsense like this without having some well thought out arguments, so tell me
tell that to greece and italy my friend
@@tomrawley6549 Nothing to do with EU. That is internal politics. I don't see any reason to blame the EU or why EU would fall apart. You gave exactly 0 reasons
Dadaism finally found its way into politics. So beautiful...if it wasn't so sad.
The main problem I have with ''BREXIT'' is that it's actually ''UKEXIT''.
If it were just BREXIT then we wouldn't be having this problem as Northern Ireland would not be exiting the EU. Northern Ireland is not part of Britain. It's part of the United Kingdom only. It's not Britain.
Therefore it's either UKEXIT (if Northern Ireland is to leave the EU also), or else it's BREXIT if it's only England, Scotland and Wales leaving.
People need to get it right and be correct in their use of important terms.
and before anyone else tries to argue, Northern Ireland is not part of Britain or Great Britain, it is only part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.
So: it's actually UKEXIT
UKexit doesn't have the same zest to it.
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The argument that brexit was driven by concern for democracy makes the fatal mistake of taking the Brexit arguments at face-value. Jeremy is quite correct to quip that it makes no sense, the EU as an institution is more democratic than the UK, and the claims made by some brexiters that it was about reclaiming democracy were always dishonest.
It is plain that those wearing the badge of democracy have nothing but contempt for it. British MPs are being warned by the police to not travel unaccompanied or after dark, they are receiving daily credible death threats and are subject to territorial vandalism. Indeed one British MP was murdered in the weeks before the referendum by a radical terrorist. Cult-like brexit campaigners openly threaten civil war if they don't get precisely the brexit that they desire, wielding that loathsome phrase 'will of the people' as a superficial justification for their reprehensible totalitarian fantasies.
That was a mentally ill patient not a terrorist!
Cretin, can't even double check their lies!
Trump and Johnson both reading out of Putin's book. It's so obvious why is it not spoken about more often. The three or four word slogans, the obvious lies, the threats and insults and vitriol against anyone who disagrees with them are identical. It's a blessing that guns are not so readily available in Brexitland.
The EU has just signed a trade contract with Japan wich says that no other country can get a better deal. (and that's just one of many examples) How do GB think they can get a better deal without imperialism? And GB has already taken a step towards imperialsm; splendid isolation is nothing else than mercantilism. GB has probably forgotten that it's not a global player anymore....
Please quote your source re. the EU-Japan trade deal..
Point of order...
It's the people that voted to leave who think the UK is still a major player, at least in economic terms.
@@miumiu12091974 just google it, it was singed like a month or 2 ago, the newest one is with Singapore
Mattia D'Antiga I was referring to “no other country can get a better deal”
Are you a troll ? Imperialism. The EU is very imperialist and believes it can become an empire.
now that the brakes ( UK ) have left the EU we will move forward to a federalized europe and create a stronger europe.
What a nightmare.
Yup, and when the working classes of the EU and the unemployed get sick of the boot on their necks by this new authoritarian elite. They’ll start electing far right parties and the rest of the world will have to stop them from genocide again...
@@TheRagdollrejects I'm not sick of anything...you're just focusing on the negatives. The majority still believes in a United Europe...
I honestly think a federal Europe is the only way to go, the current system is both too restricted and too loose, the economic crisis in the eu showed that- I'm Portuguese and I know that our politicians mismanaged our funds, which forced the EU to enforce on us terrible austerity measures. The whole of the EU is both restricted by the current union because we are all interdependent and we also thrive because of our interdependence. The only two ways i see it is either we "weaken" our union and become something like a (beneficial) NAFTA, or "strengthen" into something like a federalized union, where we have state sovereignty but also a properly democratic system of checks and balances. I root for the former, and I think we are already going this way, I only hope it's done well, taking some inspiration from the US - which currently doesn't seem like a great example but the system itself is well thought out.
not happening that's the good thing about the burocrasy being so slow in the end cooler heads prevail
It's fear that holds the EU together. Fear of being governed by the likes of politicians in Westminster. They have come to accept that this circus is not an option for any global player. Also, continental Europe does understand, and often much more, desire a unification process, seeing the obvious advantages rather than the theoretical "loss of soveriegnty".
It's most certainly NOT fear. It's a rational, intelligent, grown-up acknowledgement that we are FAR stronger if we stick together.
hard brexit is like vandalising your home by pouring petrol though the letterbox and thinking you have taken back control.
"This is what democracy looks like." NO, no it doesn't. What democracy looks like is a well educated, accurately informed public making well thought out, sober decisions based on real facts and evidence, not catchy slogans and agenda driven media slander, lies, and misinformation.
I continue to think that the vote on leave was a xenophobic vote against migrants. Period. People didn't know or care about other issues. It was not even a vote against the system. They knew little about EU.
Sorry, but i tihnk you are confusing what democracy should ideally look like with what democracy actually looks like there. Because if you didn't.. I might have bad news for you.
At the end of the day the average European wants tomorrow to be pretty much the same as today. It took serious effort by Russia and the Oligarchy running UK media as well as an inherent literal empire complex to bring England to this point. The EU is more stable than ever and I look forward to the new ideas to resolve the ongoing issues. First the UK has to leave though.
The EU is a on going process and will need time to develop. Small steps at a time . Would be nice to have the British in house to help form the EU but we can also do without.
Robert Boender I think the problem is they’ve been saying that about the EU for 40 years...The people with the power such as Barnier, Merkel, Juncker, Tusk need to want to reform it and in simple terms they don’t!
@@joshphillips7150 As soon as we reform we are either split or a super-state,that means a nation spanning incredible land mass. We need to want to be a superpower on a global stage. We would have to compete globally against china and the us. Do we want that? That is the only questions remaining.
I tell you what the Continent thinks: We are relieved to finally get rid of the cherry picking British with their endless nagging.
Hape and we can’t wait to leave Mainland Europe to their fate, but of course you will soon come begging for our help if you need it like always
It would be wonderful if EU citizens were wise to the looming economic and social failure the EU parliament fosters. Others will follow the UK.
I admire the desperation to avoid mentioning ‘British Slave Trade’.