$10k Coyote vs LS3 Shootout - The Build
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- With a budget of $9,999, which engine gives the most bang for the buck - GM's LS3, or Ford's Coyote? It's big displacement and pushrods versus high revs and dual overhead cams, and EngineLabs.com gives you all the details of both builds. Who do you think will win?
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Literally here just to see a good comparison and in the comments fanboys are raging.
IKR
Ls3
Simplicity
Best bang for your buck
Proven for years
I agree for the time being. The LS has been around for far longer than the Coyote and I think that helps the LS with the 'bang for the buck' aspect. Spending 1/3 of available cash for a used Coyote block possibly took up a lot of what 'could have been'. Only time will tell how much potential the Coyote has.
+john steil they should did LT1 then..
*Push-Rod Chevys*
*Cheap and Simple*
@@mewrongwayKOCXF - Ford's High Performance engines are far more POWER DENSE
than Chevy's Push-Rod Shit
@@mewrongwayKOCXF - Mustang Sales Killed Camaro Sales in 2018
- Case Closed
coyote motor would be prime for hitting crowds on a budget
The sad part is you got 30 likes for this lame ass comment. Congrats
CeRSeI 5oh triggered
On a budget? What kind of a fucking budget? Its a modular Ford. There's nothing "budget" about it.
Total waste of budget for the Ford engine... I can see the bottle neck in the parts list reflected by the 5.0 takeout truck engine with 9:1 compression heads? ...while the LS has CNC ported heads?
*Chevy's Push-Rod V8*
*Same Shit Different Day*
I was really surprised on the LS-3 block price! Being a Ford guy, I still love the LS-3 engine and believe it is one of the finest motors GM designed.
I’ve heard from a lot of people that the ls was designed by Ford someone told me it was originally designed for Jack roush but they dropped it for the modular design if that’s true it’s a Ford design and Chevy is just taking credit for it I’m also a Ford guy but I’m starting to see Ford durability in the ls engine you look at all the other Chevy engines they suck they are very poorly built
So yea part 2 would be awesome
still waiting *cricket chirps*
+97jag440 So far we have final results from the LS3. The Coyote engine has been tested, but a few more tweaks need to be made: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
@@PowerPerformanceUA-cam😂😂
i think you handicapped the ls3 by using new parts vs the used f150 parts. for 10k you could get way more out of the ls3.
+ADR3NALIN31287 Good point
Great point. Now imagine using a used truck block for the LS build. More money for HP.
They had to help the ford out like always. Its the only way they can compete.
They went with stupid shit on the Coyote to hinder it's power.
gripking131313 I know. They did it on purpose to push the LS. It's what happens when GM is your biggest donor
The Coyote motor is huge compared to the LS3 0:41
Because of the overhead cams
Part 2 would be cool, when's that coming m8
+SoFLaZ06 In due time, thanks for watching and stay tuned!
Hey can you guys weigh them as built as part of the comparison?
I was going to ask the same thing lol
Bryce Pal yeah i was surprised at how small the ls is. Got to be quite a bit lighter.
youd hope so lol
LS is lighter, i would guess at least 30 lbs.
+Gilbert McGillicutty 18 pounds
i prefer the simplicity of the LS3 as well as the huge aftermarket plus great reputation. i drive a tow truck and i rarely see any LS cars having any trouble. worst i have seen is a bad water pump and i have seen a few alternators go out.
samuel lopes that's why somebody say " LS swap everything"
LOLOL Get your head out of the sand...steady tic, smoking, worn out to fast and just cant put HP down like a Coyote. This test is built around uneducated people!!
Yeah, I work on GM stuff all the time and i have seen quite a few LS engine failures. Dropped valves, rod in the oil pan, timing failure.
have you seen any oil pump failures? high pressure valve getting stuck in LS3 motors
The Ford 5L is a good motor if you have the money and room but from a practical point of view the LS wins hands down. I'm a builder and have done a half dozen LS engines for friends dropping them into various vehicles, mostly swaps and there are literally millions of them out there. When you can go to the junk yard for $500 and buy a good used engine with harness, clean it up, bolt in a few go fast goodies for another $500, do a harness upgrade, reflash and install a high pressure fuel pump and Corvette fuel filter/regulator for another $500, exhaust, mounts, cooling and misc. for $500, you've swapped in a modern, fuel injected, 350-400 hp engine with tons of performance and driveability for less than $2500 all in and all fun. You can't buy a Coyote for less than 5 Grand that I've seen and I have a friend that did swap one into a '67 Mustang, major problems with size and the expense involved. A good motor just not for the masses ..............
It's easy to build a junkyard SBF Windsor for $2500, why people pay $8k for an LS crate engine is still retarded.. seems like its mostly kids that don't know how to build anything
Ken Fischmann yeah...most LS swaps are not LS engines but the 530 pound LQ engine. that kills the balance on most swaps.
Mmm hmmm sure lol
What fast goodies are you buy in for 500?
Based on what...the millions of junk Yard LS Motors...Jesus you guys are full of Shit. Put the 5.3 against the 5.0 and see where it gets you...we all know the outcome but no one wants that test!!!
2 months later... Are you releasing part 2 or going out of business?
+PMitchell106 UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now.
LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.
Your a farce...let some Ford guys do this test or just stroke the Coyote to 5.8 Liters...Your LSX test is designed around the GM Crowd...sad like a Peta-file.
Rabbi Schlomo really? Lets compare sales of the Mustang against the Corvette and Camaro.
Rabbi Schlomo how many of those are still around...I’ll wait.
Like a pedafile your going back to 50's and early 60's....and yes Mustang has out sold Camaro 3-1 forever and Corvette is not even close. The problem with you GM guys is you only look at your video and keep in touch with your own. NOT UP TO DATE!!!
There's not much more annoying than a watching a part #1 in anticipation of a part #2 maybe a week later, then 2 months later I'm still without a part #2.
+Johnta Pettis UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now.
LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.
I had a 96 mustang Gt in high school pretty much stock other than exhaust. It came with the 4.6 v8 rated at 275hp I believe. Those 5.7 LS1's out of the 98-2002 camaros and trans- ams gave me the blues! Im talking all factory cars, I never stood a chance. Needless to say Ive moved over to the dark side of the force. LS all the way baby. lol.
A 96 gt had like 215 crank hp
I feel you guys cheated by using a used coyote block. gotta take the cost of new into account if you're doing a price build vs. price build. No doubt the coyote is a pretty nice engine, but you can't beat the cost of LS new.
+Squigly Kimera They had to cheat to help those expensive ford coyote ohc engines out. ford cant compete with GM dollar for dollar !
+Squigly Kimera It is a price build. Both just under $10k. Let's wait and see the results for $10k before you go off speculating, whining and complaining.
+Squigly Kimera Both build teams could use new or used, with a Coyote we felt this was the most economical way to go for a core.
+Marshall Guillory There was no whining. Just an observation.
Power Automedia Could have gone the same route with the Chevy engine, and would have had more money to spend for more power.
UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now.
LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.
+Power Automedia you guys should have done the cobrajet inake for the coyote. no loss of torque and a higher rpm redline
+Power Automedia LS engine loses since it had to be built twice!
+dubya TF the coyote had to be built twice not the LS. Not to mention they had to buy a junkyard coyote block and bought a new LS for less money.
+Austin Campbell Its crazy that they charge that much for a junk yard motor, they were better off going to an auction and buying the entire truck/car for that. But it makes sense the LS has been around for ever so they are a dime a dozen. The coyote is relatively new so they are going to be harder to come by and more sought after.
+Power Automedia Testing has been done, LS coils were better than MSD.
ls3 hands down.
LOL, If they were going to use a Used Coyote, they should have used a Used GM block. GIve me a break....I don't think any of these youtube automotive pages, Don't Cheat.$1,432 for a New LS3 block and $3k for a takeout/used 5.0 block? Using a stock LS3 intake vs. a $550 Boss intake GTFOH.
HP/CI is a stupid measurement. Consider that the coyote will be running at a higher rpm, flowing more air, when it makes it's peak power in comparison to the slower turning LS. If you're flowing more air, you're also burning more fuel. Even though the Coyote has a smaller displacement, it is likely using that displacement less efficiently than the LS. If you really want to compare volumetric efficiency, compare. HP/(CI*RPM) not HP/CI. A more useful measurement is which makes more horsepower per lb? I could put a 19L cummins in my car that makes 700hp, but it wouldn't do me any good since it weighs 2 tons.
Jegs ..Ls 376 iron with aluminum heads crate motor $7050 430 hp. Coyote 302 aluminum crate motor $6800 435 hp seems like the the coyote is lighter same power with smaller displacement & a better deal. Both on jegs
I'm a Ford guy by nature and I teach automotive electronics and emissions and where many fall into the perrineal Ford vs Chevy battle,I say both engines are spectacular and are head and shoulders above the rice boxes.. GO USA!
+Mike Samra Hey now, some of those "rice boxes" can put down some pretty impressive numbers for no bigger then they are.
+177SCmaro
indeed
177SCmaro
Yes but we have the ecoboost 4cyl and the V6 Ecoboost that is 3.5L going in the Ford GT which makes over 700hp so that ain't too shabby neither.You can build a Chevy or Ford power plant for a lot less money than the foreign competition.
Mike Samra
Who's "we"?
And, yeah, in general, domestic stuff, especially the old stuff, costs less dollar for horsepower. But just like a lot of import guys bragging about horsepower per liter, at the end of the day, an engine doesn't care. It also don't care what name is on the valve cover or how much money you spent making a shit-zillion horsepower, it just want's to go fast, right? That's what it's all about.
177SCmaro i think the ecoboost 2.0 , 2.4 and v6 3.5 are designed in europ and manufactured in Valencia ,Spain
Kinda hard to beat a 4 valve head😎👍
I like how one of the "rules" was not to use a truck block because the LS engine would have an advantage in the price arena, but then you made an exception for the Coyote. I also wish they would have used a 5.3 engine to show that a OHV engine can put down some respectable power and no one could say "the 6.2 has waaayyyy more displacement"
+Rob Galles thank you for this post. I'm getting tired of these dohc guys running their yap all day. The 5.3 can hang
Except they paid 3 grand for a coyote that can be found in a ton of F-150s for 1000-1500 and can handle 800 hp already. Then they put $1600 pistons in it....this entire comparison is stupid and benefits the chevy already.
I bought my truck coyote and installed gt cams for 2k
You sir are a Genius...simple and they don't even get it. The internals on that Coyote had nothing wrong with them. This whole thing is a BS GM Fest so they can say they win. only an IDIOT can't see that a 6.2 with after market internals and aftermarket heads is not a fair comparison. Just boost both of em at 12-15 PSI and see where that power advantage goes...really fast on the Coyote side!!!
LOLOL I know, yet these clowns cant build a FORD the right way!!!
You guys can do all the videos you want. John Mihovetz already took a ford mod motor in the 5s. 5.88 to be exact with a 4.6 factory teksid block and 4v B heads. I dont see any LS motors touching 5s.
Should have used a seasoned LS block too and put the money into more power.
Yeah bcuz you dumbass spent $3000 on a used engine your gonna throw away 90% of smart move
glad you dont run this country
@Zo Fryer bored, honed, machined cylinders, polish crank & rods, balanced assembly myself.
It was a waste of money what they
did is what your not understanding
@Zo Fryer I think so. Coyote are
awsome engines no doubt but not
as common in junk yards. Using only
a block from junk yard is fool hearty
I don't see the value unless it's a super rare engine.
@Zo Fryer yeah agreed, flat plane
VooDoo engines sound awsome & by design just rev higher & smoother
& capable of building very linear power thru out the power band.
Many engine manufacturers are
moving to flat plane & cross plane
for these reasons.
Ford parts are always waaaayyyy more expensive! Thats why i went to gm cars
you think ford is expensive try building a mopar!
cesar carmona 🤣 so true
so all remember a 6.2L ver a 5.0L
So why is my stock 2016 5.0 faster than my boys 2015 corvette with god knows how many mods... 🤔
Great! Make a video with no follow-up to find out the results of the builds. BRILLIANT!
+Brian D. It is currently in the works. Stay tuned!
ridiculous watched 5 mins for nothing,
@@Dave_Menz_p4p_number_1 5 minutes of nothing & $3000 for a engine your gonna junk 90 % of...I hear crickets
$3000 for a Coyote take out? Yeah OK. i've checked prices. You can not get one for less than $6000.
I guess you can run fords with no heads? i seen the ls3 cnc ported heads on the build sheet with a price, but forgot to add the expensive dohc ford heads! Got to run them head less to keep it on the same price point. Would love to hear more about those bad ass "truck heads" that your running on that truck block?
Because the stock truck heads flow awesome. Stock for stock, the 5.3 can't touch the Coyote.
Stoner spent $3000 for a used engine hes already upside down on build no money for heads
Cheap LS motor (with huge aftermarket from years of production) vs expensive Coyote (still relatively new), on a small build budget.... hmmm
The ls3 is an old engine, the coyote fairly new. I'm glad ford has something to be proud of, I love the coyote motor too.it gets work done! I would hope the coyote wins, and I own a ls3. But I feel it should be compared to the new lt1 motor because they're the same generation kinda.Why feel proud for beating your grandpa in a foot race? Race your cousin to keep it fair :-D
Well said this certainly won't be an apples to apples comparison. My monies on grandpa though he still got a little life in him.
how much do the lt1 motors go for?
+sasoun gaspar Here's the pricing for LT1 engines: www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/lt1.html
+Power Automedia Figured they'd be expensive just because they're new for now.
LS is the better engine here for the money, the Coyote is way more complicated and expensive. ..
ls3 strong and simple have to kill these motors and when you do parts are everywhere
Looks like they both lost? Still no Pt 2 or did I miss it?
+Fullforce LTX You didn't miss it. Here are the results after dyno testing: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
+Power Automedia u only put the ls3 on there or did I miss that?
slammedlyfe The Coyote has been tested and a video is in the works, which will include the results
+word to your mother haha yeah probably, ford as needing that little edge
+word to your mother no oil pressure had to be rebuilt
5.0 more powerful , best inlet cfm modern engine but i love lsx because its simple
The fact the the LS3 is 30% smaller in size. It wins
Artchred tape measure size. The LS3 has quite a bit more displacement. What is it...376 cubic inches or so?? No question the LS3 will put down more power. The old saying still stands...no replacement for displacement”. However I have a F150 truck with the 5.0 coyote that puts down 380lbs of torque at 4200rpm STOCK. I find it odd they increased the torque by 10-15 pounds over stock with 10k dollars LOL. I’m no Ford fan boy...drove Chevy my entire life and my F150 is my first Ford...still got my Silverado. But something stinks about their final results. They made good torque improvement in the LS ( no surprise) but only 15 more pounds on the Ford ????
JohnnyRebKy
Don't judge the 5.0 too harshly. You have to keep in mind it's a modern, high flow, high efficiency 4 valve engine out of the box. That means it's difficult to improve on.
At 380lb/ft of torque from just 5L that's 78lb/ft per liter.
The LS3 at 425lb/ft of torque from 6.2L is 68.6lb/ft per liter.
If the 5.0 was as large as the LS3 it would be making over 480lb/ft of torque out of the box, before any improvement.
If you took the time to actually READ my comment you would see I said the same thing. I am a big fan of the Coyote. If the same size the coyote would murder the GM.
JohnnyRebKy
I wasn't being critical of you dude, just adding my 2 cents.
Aftermarket heads and 6.2 vs Stock heads and 5.0 (I would hope the LS would win)
Stock Coyote heads out breathe high end ported polished LS / LSX aftermarket heads.
#LSSWAPTHEWORLD
Negative ghostrider
+daltex81 cant stuff it in your civic?
facts not feelings look up the civette
daltex81 Cummins*
Ok gay rod
When I wasn't looking, Dennis Quaid took a bite of my sandwich.
How original
+Jim Garrison Your lucky it wasnt David Hasselhoff.
good stuff. looking forward to the dyno sessions. I know i'll eventually have to rebuild my motor down the road (hopefully not till WAY down the road) so very interested to see how a built coyote performs.
Not even sure how this is a budget build. A budget build would be grabbing to comparable made blocks from the scrap yard and going from there. Then you have comparable price and comparison, year by year. Do a part 2 with the fair comparison of Fords 4.6L V8 Modular engine. It's produced at similar volume numbers providing a more fair comparison all the way around. Besides Motor trend did something like that and Ford won.
using a 5.3 LS and the 4v 5.4 from a Navigator would be nice. Both engines can be had for the same price.
So for the same amount of money you can have a used junkyard ford or a brand new forged ls3..uhh that's a no brainer leave that ford in the junkyard
+devin wermes It is a fully forged coyote block as well. It is just easier trying to buy a complete motor on a budget then trying to purchase everything you would need for the coyote.
Devin Wermes the only place a Ford belongs!
Devin Wermes exactly
LMAO!!! Perfect!!!!
Ford coyote and boss engines were used here in Australia in the rubbish ford falcon which is the competitor to the vastly superior Holden commodore( chev Ss as you know them in the us) they were overwhelmingly outsold ten to one by ls powered commodores and hsv high performance versions. Even diehard ford dickheads don’t go near coyote crap.
This should be a good one! I can't wait to see how the next video comes out!
LS376 is the LS3 with a few factory upgrades. Cost less than 10k and make 525 HP
Gregory Kanniard The fuel injected ls376/525 costs a little over 10k. The carbureted ls376/515 is a little under 10k.
yea id stick with a 383 can make same hp under 10k including the block
I want to know where they found an LS3 block for that cheap everywhere I go they are like 2500$
$600 refurbished LS iron block Summit / Jegs
$900 new LS iron block O.E.M GM Performance
$1500 new LS aluminum block O.E.M GM Performance
This is funny because already you bought a new LS3 and a used Coyote. This is why these engines can't compare. And the LS3 is better in the real world.
Ditto. I stopped watching as soon as I noticed that. This entire article is irrelevant due to its apples:oranges comparison. Dollar for dollar you will not beat the LS. Buy a used LS and mod it with a $10k budget and the coyote wouldn't be close. Poor article by Power Automedia. I unfollow you forever due to your bias and/or ignorance
So by that logic I should favour one cam over four. Yeah that's why the best motors in the world are still running pushrods... oh wait they change the rods after every 1/4mile
p shasty buy a ford Barra turbo motor. Shits all over the LS series. Cheaper too.
People call it a boat anchor. Well it's a boat anchor that eats LS for breakfast
Ian Thompson hell even 2.5litres of Nissan power is far better than an LS motor.
Dylan Zrim I don't see any ford Barra turbos, or Nissan 2.5l making wards best engine list numerous times, while powering everything from work trucks to sports cars, drag cars, and transplanted into many import. It's one of the most widely used engines, if not the most widely used engine in swaps, it weighs little more than an inline 6, size wise is as compact as a inline4 turbo motor, and has renowned and proven durability. If it wasn't such a nice engine you think people would still be swapping them after 20 years? Now let's see how many Nissan 2.5l engines are getting swapped into cars 20 years from now.
AMD vs intel, AR15 vs AK, USA vs. Russia, may weather vs McGregor. LS VS COYOTE
It really says alot when a used 5.0 block is still over twice the cost of the new ls3 block. Would prob suck ass to change the 5.0 cam setup compared to the lighter, more compact ls3.
It wasn't a used block, it was an entire take-out engine.
Thats not bad used 6.0s with a lit of miles sell for near that around here. I missed that sorry
Where is part 2??
+Carl McDonald Here's our latest update regarding the budget builds: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
Great video, looking forward to the next one.
the 32 valve should get it on better
LS3 gonna have more TQ but the coyote might have more POWAAA!
Stock the LS3 has more power and torque.
@@alekssbelskis3544 no Lmaoo which coyote though ? Gen 3 coyote makes 460
@@twinsandboost191 ls3 has 430hp, and an LS7 has 505hp.
@@alekssbelskis3544 we’re talking about the ls3 here, and having an LS7 making 505 with 7 liters isn’t impressive. The Shelby gt350 motor makes more than that and it’s a 5.2….
@@twinsandboost191 ls7 is underrated at 505 .. voodoo rpm isn't impressive when you can make a ls Rev as high
Motor Trend did this test twice, first was NA, the second was boosted. LS3 kicked that coyotes butt down the road on both. BWHAHAHA!!
These test prove nothing, they didn’t use the best parts on the coyote. in real street action the coyote is the reigning champion.
@@Jimmyxsx no the coyotah isn't....that's laughable
nearly been 3 months, where is part two
+fightfanian UPDATE: The Coyote has been dyno-tested. Working on the video and part 2 of the article now.
LS Dyno Results have been posted --> www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
We are sorry for how long this has taken. We had experienced some oil pressure issues which are NOW resolved. But we were on the dyno and had the issue, had to rebuild the engine and then reschedule the dyno session.
+Power Automedia You put over sized pistons in the coyote so that bumps the cubic volume which the rules were you couldn't?
fightfanian Lol i dont care bout the engine size difference they made rules on there website that engine displacement couldn't be changed
This test was over from the start. a stock 2012 Mustang 5.0 v8 make 412hp or 1.36hp per cuin. If the stock LS3 made 1.36hp per cuin. It would be making 515hp.
OHV FTW!!!
6.2 vs 5.0 GM must not have faith in its motor, closer C.I would be a good start 5.3 vs 5.0 stroked to 5.3 even steven.
+angelo howard Who cares what it displaces. The only measure of a performance engine is power, reliability, weight, cost and physical size. One engine is a stuck as a high winding DOHC with a limited displacement, the other is a large displacement engine stuck with two valves and push rods.
Frankly, inside that budget I don't know why the LS isn't at least 7 liters if they really want to make the coyote pay for having a limited displacement.
The 5.0 Ford v/s 6.2 Chevy is absolutely fair,in my opinion. An engine is basically a large air pump. The 6.2 may have a larger displacement, but it is an OHV/pushrod engine. The amount of air &fuel it can move efficiently is limited by the RPM range,and only having 2 valves per cylinder. The Ford can turn alot more Rpms and is much more efficient throughout the rpm range,especially tword the top end, due to the dohc/4valve design.
That being said, I am a Chevrolet man,through and through. Always have been,and probably,always will. But the coyote is one hell of an engine. It makes an impressive amount of power,is versatile, and efficient. But when it comes to building a hod rod,resto mod, or any kind of engine swap, the LS will always be the more practical option. You can build the LS,and slap on some sort of forced induction or nitrous,and still have a smaller budget,and easier build
They should have used Fords voodoo coyote 6.2. The results would have been totally different
get a real engine like a V-TECH with a loud muffler and scrap those junk v8's. just kidding i'd go with the ls3
Vtec is actually a way to save gaz lol
3 grand for a used engine?
David Serrano makes like 480 lol
He was high when he bought it or just plain stupid
I have coyote motor mustang, but if i was buying just engine, I would always go LS.I say that purely because it is way easy to work with an ls and find people who can work with it.
sooo PART 2.....?
+Mr. Jay A We apologize for the wait, but here are the results from the engines after testing: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
10k " budget motor"
Go buy GM factory crate LS & get a free tranny, plug & play, ecu, emissions legal, warranties
I love how all the chevy girls are crying about how big in dimension the ford motor is vs the ls but they don't complain about that displacement advantage they get
Hi there from England I'm in a position where I recently bought a ford seirra with a crap 2.3 cologne v6 I'm trying to decide which of 2 engines to buy I've been offered a ford 4.6 coyote full engine gearbox in a create or a GM LS6 from a crashed CORVETTE Z06 in the crash only the rear end was wrecked. I've asked people here in the UK but they fill me with unessassary info and I get headache I'm wanting to build up a good turbo build but power with reliability. Any Americans advice would be greatly appreciated
LS3 for sure.. You never see anyone putting a ford motor in a chevy. There's a few fords with chevy engines.
That's because Chevy is a cheaper build than ford.
+ozzyg92 no doubt 👍
LS is cheaper to build and plentiful parts just like mustang parts are cheap and plentiful.Best bang for buck is ls in a Mustang body that's why it's done.The mod motors dominate the LS in power and are the reason mod motors are not allowed in the engine masters competition anymore.
+gsppuffer Absolutely sir!
+gsppuffer yup!
Man.. You guys should have dressed up the Coyote a little more, atleast with some better valve covers. The LS3 with its polished valve covers and red fuel rails just looks sick and well dressed, And I know this isnt about looks but when we all pop are hoods, we like to clean up and stare at our beautiful builds lol. Anyway, Awsome video, when it comes to Mucle Im all about Ford! But honestly Im more of a Tuner guy, I love Japanese Motors All Day man!! Great Videos and Cheers! Oh.... I subbed as well
+ViceVersa Musik Thanks for watching and be sure to stay tuned for more!
Where is part 2??
+Camron Carrier Here is our latest update: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
+Power Automedia thanks!
Don't see many people complaining about the mismatched cam specs either. Listed cam spec was 0.617" and 0.624"range for the Chubby and 0.492" and 0.452"" for the Ford. Apples to cinder blocks. The displacement of 6.2l to 5l is waaay off too.
Next ls1 vs 5.7 vvt hemi
that makes more sense to me, identical liters which of course is 5.7 or put up the ls3 or whatever 6.2 liter LS against the 6.2 liter hemi.
but the hemi sucks....
Looks like it's going to be a battle between multi-valve airflow and raw displacement. I think the 5.0 may end up with more peak hp but I'll bet the LS ends up with better average numbers.
+177SCmaro Here are the results: www.lsxtv.com/tech-stories/engine/update-ls3-vs-coyote-budget-shootout-ls3-dyno-results-are-in/
Power Automedia
Thanks, but I think you mean here are *half* of the results : ).
Looking forward to the 5.0 results!
I believe all modern engines should be DOHC, it's better technology and it can get way better rpm.
+Uriah Bleue It's also far more complicated, Harder to work on, needs a far bigger foot print and more expensive. I'll take a small block chevy any day.
blacknova23 that tells me Ford's are better engineered than Chevy's.
+blacknova23 exactly
Uriah Bleue
Hey whatever rocks your boat. But when you consider we only want to go fast...
BMW S85 5.0 Litre V10 engine, DOHC 40 valves, 90 degree bank angle 12:1 compression ratio 240KG 507 hp (378 kW) @ 7750rpm/520 N·m (384 lb·ft) torque @ 6100rpm
The S85 utilizes both individual throttle bodies and Double VANOS (BMW's infintely variable timing for intake and exhaust cams) It also has equal length tubular headers.
GM LS7 7.0 v8, 90 degree bank angle, pushrod single cam in block valve train 16 valves, 11:1 compression ratio, 206KG 505 hp @6300 rpm, 470 ft lb @ 4800 rpm, plenum intake manifold, basically log headers, no variable valve timing.
S85 power&torque:weight ratio, (2.113 HP/KG, 1.6 ft lb/KG)
LS7 power&torque:weight ratio (2.45 HP/KG, 2.28 ft lb/KG
The Ls7 outdoes the s85 is nearly everything and has FAR less technology.
Now let's see what happens when the ls7 actually comes with more technology,
Mazzanti Evantra's variant, 701 hp at 6600 rpm and a maximum torque of 848 Nm at 4500 rpm, woe that's overkill, and still has the 11:1 compression ratio and still more room to improve. Smaller, lighter, more torque, lower CoG, better power band and still more room for improvement through aftermarket parts. I'll warn you not to argue because I can literally write a research paper on this subject and already have valid evidence proof, sources for this argument readily bookmarked.
The coyote will get better hp/liter, even though that metric is useless. LS3 will make more torque until it's under 3000 RPM. The cam in the LS3 is going to bleed compression, while the coyote has VVT, however they both have reasonable cam selections for their intended purposes. As for peak power, it's anybody's guess. Probably coyote. It has a bigger flow integral on those heads. My personal preference is the LS3, albeit I'd run the GMPP ASA cam instead of the one in this video, and because it's non VVT, therefore less like to malfunction.
I would still rather push my 2015 Mustang GT, than drive ANY Camaro
you probably are pushing it
dtimboggs wow, that's logical
Dam, it's already broken? You should LS swap it..
dtimboggs that's good because that's probably what you'll have to do.
Too bad your in a slug. Camaro is the ONLY true production car to post a top 10 lap time at the Nurburgring, & it's in the top 10 twice, 1st time with part of the track in the rain!!
I'd rather take the LS3.
so basically the Coyote is just a cam swap with a little clean up job and the ls3 gets heads cam coyote still going to win though
it's so expensive for Ford and it will go over budget
JRudolph
Nobody that knows what they are doing buys a brand new ls block like that. I could yank a lq4 with computer for $800. Get a balanced and forged rotating assembly for$2500. $500 at the machine shop. 500 for fasteners. Cam, heads, and intake. $1800. Injectors 1k. Or 500 if you go cheap. And 3k for me to Fab a turbo kit. That bitch would make 1500 all day everyday reliable.
So basically, they spent waaaay more than they needed to on the LS so the Coyote didn’t look like and expensive chump.
@@stlchucko yes lol
It might be counterintuitive, but I would guess the LS3 has a better/more usable HP and Torque curve
I want to see hemi included in this build
This video gave me cancer, it's almost as bad as GM dumping giant bricks in the back of two trucks to justify the "better all around truck" is the one with less dents in the bare, unprotected bed.
How is this a reasonable comparison???
6.2l vs 5.0l
Brand new vs used
Old and cheap vs New and expensive.... I know... lets make it a budget build... yeah right!!!
No bias here at all...
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the coyote beats the handicapper.
Better look for part 2 in another 4 months. maybe it'll be done by christmas.
Used but machined = new. Fucktard.
you know the ls3 won right lol
Joe Robertson Used but machined = REFURBISHED... Not new... FUCKTARD. Modified and New do NOT have the same definition. Do they not teach that sort of shit where you live.
There's no material added to replace what was removed during the machining process, so now components aren't the same size, shape, thickness etc. compared to how they were designed and stresses act different accordingly.
2 valve vs 4 valves, pushrod vs DOHC, the coyote has the superior more advanced design. So it does make sense to compare the 2. and the machined block has 2 extra cubes. That helps with power, not much but definitely won't put it below stock.
Stephen Ayeni I hope this doesn't come across too aggro (I have a tendency to seem angry when I'm not) but the more efficient heads of the coyote can still stuff only so much air into the cylinders. All that technology won't put 25% more air in so how is it a fair comparison to put the coyote against a motor that has 25% more displacement? As you can probably guess it takes about 145 cubes for the LS3 to overcome the superior design of the coyote. Notice how they didn't go for the LS2 even though it has the same displacement as the LS3?
My biggest issue is how the coyote was handicapped with a piss poor budget. The LS engines have been around for ages and has a massive aftermarket following so there's loads of cheap parts on offer. Compare this to the relatively new coyote, and there's not as many aftermarket options as yet (more are coming...) Add to this the fact you need 2x more valves and springs, 4x more camshafts, a much longer timing belt with loads more pulleys etc. and $10k evaporates rather fast. At the end of the day I can see no reason to blow $10k on rebuilding these motors when there are crate motors out there for far less money.
I find it very cute that you have to takes a
6.2L/376ci chevy motor
to compete with a
5.0L/302ci ford motor.
When a LS4 is closer at
5.3L/325ci.
But wait if you made the odds even chevy has no chance .. 😭😂😂😂
Coyote for the win
I'd push a camaro uphill befor I'd drive anything ford........coyote can't hang with any LS motor.........junk!!!!!!
TeamCoyote
Rob 72 and team coyote got shit on even with the help of using a truck block to save money
Just goes to show how uneducated you are...like the rest of these LS GM Bag suckers . The Coyote out powers the LS Easy with boost. They wasted all that money on rebuilding the Coyote when they could have just boosted it! Your LS POS needs all the Forged internals to be boosted...LOSS goes to GM. You see the Coyote already had all the forged internals from the factory, they designed this test to make sure the Coyote lost. Rebuilt the Coyote where it never needed it! The truck block is not an advantage...it makes 70 HP less from the factory...again rigged test!!!! Now lets talk Windsor 351...The real competitor to the LS cause the LS was designed by duplicating what the Windsor is. Even port Spacing, Timing, main caps and firing order. LOSS = GM. cant do shit without stealing it from another manufacturer!
@@SilverRaven1959 but ls is cheaper and more accessible
SilverRaven1959 Isn’t it the other way around? I see PLENTY of stock bottom end LS’s hitting high hp numbers under boost. Not only that, torque, weight, compactness, and value all go to the LS. Don’t get salty because of the LS’s superiority
Why did you guys use a take out motor? when you all could have used a brand new bare block for less than 2 grand and then get a boss crank for less than 400 and get a cobra jet setup
Hey if you bought a new block for the LS you should have done the same for the ford, even though it would have put you over budget. Was wondering if you were going to drop the compression in both motors, mount a couple of turbos and watch the little LS really outshine the coyote.
Except a 4 valve coyote would take to boost better.... lol. Do you really know so little??
and the ls3 is 1.3 l bigger lol plus the higher rpm cap on the 5.0 makes it better the gm ls is limited by the in block cam and push rods if u put a 4v head on it I’m sure it would be a good motor
I'm sorry but the ls3 kills the ford engine every time in every way, this is no comparison. Lsx runs way harder for way cheaper every time.
ls should make better tq n ave hp across the curve. Peak hpwinner? Tough call. Camshaft choice will alter ##
That coyote looks like a big block I didn't realize how big they were.
Mod motors are all roughly the size of a big block
+Brandon Phillips Thats nuts considering the volume is usually 25 to 50% smaller at least!
if the cams aren't in the motor, you gotta put them somewhere.
Before the test begins, i have a coyote swapped fox. But I believe the ls3 will make more power. The question is for how long. The reliability isn't there. I have so many LS friends that blow motors left and right with a lil abuse.
Why didn't they boost the coyote? I could buy a junkyard coyote and boost it for 10k and DESTROY this LS in a hp race no sweat. These guys obviously don't know how to spend money on upgrades
Where'd they get a new LS3 block for $1400? CNC-ported LS3 heads are $1500 not $1200. Could've bought a brand new 5.0 block for $1300. How many other parts prices are incorrect? 3.640 pistons for the Coyote would've been a special order if you stuck with Manley. Ross makes those forged pistons for $100 less. K-1 makes a billet 4340 rod for the Coyote for $100 less than the Manley rods. WHY WOULD YA'LL UPGRADE THE FUEL RAILS ON BOTH OF THESE ENGINES AND NOT THE INJECTORS? Whoever chose these parts combinations have NO CLUE what they are doing for either platform. LS and the Coyote are great with plenty of aftermarket support. Clearly you have to do some homework instead of flip through a catalog. Try again guys but try harder.
The 1990 Corvette ZR-1 has a FAR MORE technology advanced engine than this OLD school LS3. OPEN YOUR EYES, Chevrolet!! Overhead cam, double overhead cams & more than only 2 valves per cylinder work BETTER!!! You're almost as backwards as Hardley Davidson!!!! The ONLY Hardley that performs is the liquid cooled, DOHC & 4 valve per cylinder, V-Rod. Guess who designed that??? Porsche!!!! America is SO IGNORANT not to accept current technology!! WHY????
Fuckin ridiculous... just get a used LS3 and drop $10,000 into it... or buy the Coyote new... that should be the point of the video... how far can your dollar be stretched into horsepower? Right? find a used Coyote on a $10k budget?....Nope, I will buy a used LS3 and dump $10k into it before I ever dick around with Ford's over-complicated setups and oil pressure issues and ....what's that you say, Coyote has dual overhead cams so it can breath better? You are correct, but I also bought a supercharger with the extra money I saved on the LS and now it really breathes better.. parts are much easier to find... more people know things about LS engines...IT REALLY IS A NO BRAINER
Would it be possible for chevy vs ford to ever use similar engines or even engines without a 50ci difference? How long are we going to compare 350ci chevys and ford 302s? Ford has a 351, and a fuel injected version and a HO version that was in lightening pick ups.
How cheap is a 351 / 400 ? or stroke the 351 easy street monster for cheap.
Or stroke a push rod 302? Would still be undersized but probably still about even and cheaper.
or use ford motorsports 363 block vs the LSx.
oh I know, lets compare a 429/460 ford vs the LS3, you know since ci don't count and we are all so focused on cost.
Mustang GT 2018 makes the 460HP...just boost it in less than a day for 5-7,000 and your in the 8-1000HP world!!! Not with any stock LS and weeks of work. That's the reality...this test is designed around people who know nothing about the Coyote! MMR with the Factory ported Heads and the 351X Block make close to 4000HP and run in Pro Mod. No one else competes in Pro Mod with factory anything. The other thing is they are the smallest cube engine of all cars in Pro Mod! The truck block is a disadvantage...just boost it for 5-7000 grand and your into 800+ HP. It never needed to be rebuilt, it had all premium internals already from Ford. Rods and Crank Forged, Pistons are great. factory Mustangs and trucks are boosted and making that HP all over the country. LS is a waste of money!!!
LS3 is a corvette motor. 5.4 is a GT500 motor, compare motors in the same "class" why don't you. I like Chevy but don't be ignorant, "a pro one manufacturer"......I own a Ford, Chevy, an Dodge.
LS engines are the best, its world wide, in here in saudi arabia we have LS engine and hemi engine and ford engines, performance parts are cheap and easy to find for the LS engine, but dodge and ford its all expensive and they only put bolt ons only, no camshaft no stroker kit
You can look at any Ford V/S Chevy Horsepower or dyno test and it never fails and I Mean Never the Chevy always has to be bigger in order to out power the smaller Ford show me a 5.0 liter Chevy or GM engine of any kind that makes the Horsepower #s that a coyote 5.0 makes I'm not talking a 5.3 or a 5.7,or 6.2,or whatever I'm talking 302 cubic inches or 5.0 liters guess what u will never show me or anyone a GM engine 5.0 liter bone stock that makes the power of a stock 5.0 coyote engine they always have to big bigger tell u what put a 5.8 Ford against a 5.0 305 cubic inch GM and the Ford will Annihilate the pathetic GM engine or a 6.2 Ford against a 5.3 LS the Ford 6.2 will Dominate the Chevy junk if u want Respect from Most Anyone compare apples to apples run cubic inch to cubic inch and let's see who wins from small blocks to big blocks to Overhead Cam Engines example 427 Cammer and Boss 429 vs any big block GM and let's see how much power GM or Chevy can make and unlike GM Ford has always had engines bad enough to run top fuel and has won championships in top fuel with Ford Horsepower and has their own top fuel engine that competes today the Boss 500 Hemi so instead of acting like the LS is the baddest engine ever built just leave the Big time Horsepower Making 11,000 + Horsepower to Ford and Mopar because GM don't know anything about that stick to your little 1,000 hp street cars while Ford and Mopar show u what Overhead Cams and Hemispherical Combustion Can Do!!! #Blue Oval Nation
Buried way down in the coments while arguing that the Coyote is the better motor, some one actually just said......"the only reason the LS made more power is because it is a cheaper motor". """ WOW""" That really makes sense if you don't think about it.....I see your point my friend....the Coyote "is" way better.....HaHaHa...How do you argue with logic like that?!?!